Hour 2: Knicks, The List, Rangers Trade

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Episode Summary: Hour 2: Knicks, The List, Rangers Trade

Release Date: June 11, 2025

In this engaging episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into a myriad of topics spanning the New York sports scene, notable trades, and a nostalgic look back at classic American music. The conversation is lively, insightful, and peppered with memorable quotes and moments that capture the essence of New York's vibrant sports and cultural landscape.

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I. Recent Sports Highlights

Mets’ Dramatic Comeback Victory

The hosts kick off the episode by celebrating the Mets’ impressive comeback win against the Nationals. Peter Rosenberg highlights the Mets overcoming a three-run deficit, emphasizing the significance of the victory in the standings.

• Peter Rosenberg [00:05]: “Looked like a game that, you know, they spot the Nationals a three run lead. It's a great comeback win.”

Yankees vs. Royals Recap

Transitioning to the Yankees, Jake reflects on the Yankees' dominant performance in their game, underscoring the team’s control and the impact of pivotal plays.

• Jake [00:30]: “I actually flipped it over because the Yankee game was just so dominant.”

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II. Knicks and Giannis Antetokounmpo

Giannis’ Social Media Controversy

A substantial portion of the discussion revolves around Giannis Antetokounmpo’s recent social media activity and its implications for the Knicks. The conversation begins with Giannis’ tweet about missing WNBA star Wesley "Woj" Wojcikowski, leading to speculations about his loyalty and future with the Milwaukee Bucks.

• Peter Rosenberg [01:08]: “But Philadelphia's taken a half game back as they won their game against the Cubs this afternoon. But with the Knicks are still a major topic of conversation until it's not.”

• Jake [01:45]: “He got sent out because they put out a report that the Lakers were allegedly interested in Giannis.”

Trade Speculations and Team Dynamics

The hosts dissect the possible ramifications of Giannis’ statements, discussing the Bucks’ reluctance to trade him, the Knicks’ interest, and the broader NBA trade dynamics. Jake elaborates on the contractual challenges and why a trade to teams like the Knicks or Lakers presents financial hurdles.

• Jake [03:58]: “The Bucks do not want to trade him. He has not asked for anything yet. There's really no true path for him to get to a team he'd want to go to, to a market he wants to go to.”

Impact on the Knicks

Earl and Jake analyze the Knicks' strategy in potentially acquiring Giannis, debating whether it’s a feasible move given the Knicks’ current roster and financial constraints.

• Earl [05:27]: “Whatever he is. He's an interesting one because I've said I think one thing the Knicks could really use is a knockdown shooter.”

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III. Kevin Durant Trade Speculations

Durant’s Potential Move

The conversation shifts to Kevin Durant’s trade rumors, with hosts discussing his desirability as a player and the complexities surrounding his potential movement to teams like the Knicks.

• Jake [04:56]: “But because of that, it spins into the Kevin Durant stuff. Like Wendy's telling everybody who'll listen, this guy's getting traded in the next couple, like next week or two, draft night probably.”

• Earl [06:01]: “KD could be the greatest shooter who ever lived. Also, he's in the conversation for great shooter of all time.”

Contract and Team Fit

Detailed insights are provided on Durant’s proven performance metrics and the challenges teams face in accommodating his gigantic contract.

• Jake [06:14]: “He's averaging over 25 a game. Think about that for a minute.”

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IV. Coaching Prospects for the Knicks

Potential Hires: Van Gundy and Jackson

A significant segment is dedicated to potential coaching candidates for the Knicks, including Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson. The hosts debate the merits and current standings of these seasoned coaches, considering their past affiliations and compatibility with the Knicks' future vision.

• Jose [07:15]: “Here in New York, stars get blamed all the time. Julius Randle, who gave his all here, got shipped out because he didn't show up in the playoffs.”

• Jake [08:19]: “I personally believe, is another person that I would say, I wanna bring him in. The only problem with doing that is, is it a token interview and all you're doing is out of respect and you really have no intention of.”

Mark Jackson’s Blackball Theory

Dave’s interjection introduces a debate on whether Mark Jackson is being unfairly blackballed from coaching opportunities, sparking a discussion on the league’s perceptions and the relevance of past coaching experiences.

• Dave [16:08]: “I'd like to understand why he can't coach anywhere in the league. What is the reason?”

• Peter Rosenberg [19:25]: “But the window for the Knicks might be a little bit more down, the little bit more open.”

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V. Rangers Trade: Chris Kreider to Anaheim

Trade Details and Fan Reactions

The discussion moves to the New York Rangers’ potential trade of Chris Kreider to Anaheim. The hosts analyze the financial implications, the player’s contributions, and the mixed reactions from fans.

• Jake [39:40]: “It's kind of what's happening now with these long term deals is once you get towards the end of them when you know the player really doesn't, everything left and he becomes an albatross.”

Kreider’s Legacy and Future

Peter Rosenberg and Jake reflect on Kreider’s legacy with the Rangers, his clutch performances, and the difficult business decision to move on despite his significant contributions.

• Peter Rosenberg [40:56]: “Kreider's time has come as well. Dave said it when they got J.T. Miller. The sooner this becomes J.T. Miller's team, the better.”

• Jake [40:45]: “Well, he's been informed of it. Is good with it. Now it's just a matter of the Rangers announcing it.”

Potential Impact on Team Morale and Roster

The potential trade’s impact on the Rangers' roster dynamics, team morale, and future strategy is explored, highlighting Kreider’s role and what Anaheim gains from the deal.

• Peter Rosenberg [41:33]: “He's a great Ranger and does like I said, have a lot of significant moments. And, and, and boy, the Rangers retire.”

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VI. The List: Top 5 Beach Boys Songs

Celebrating Classic American Music

Transitioning from sports, the hosts engage in a nostalgic discussion about the greatest American bands, focusing specifically on the Beach Boys. They curate a list of the top five Beach Boys songs, sharing personal anecdotes and reflecting on the band's legacy.

• Peter Rosenberg [24:34]: “Number five we got. Wouldn't it Be nice? From Pet Sound.”

• Jake [28:03]: “One of the greatest songs ever, not just Beach Boys for me is God Only Knows.”

Debating the Rankings

Earl and Jake bring in their perspectives on the songs, debating the merits of each track and reflecting on the cultural impact of iconic hits like "Good Vibrations" and "Surfer Girl."

• Earl [25:46]: “From Pet Sounds. Pet Sounds was amazing, by the way.”

• Jake [26:27]: “This could be easily number one, but I put it number two, and that is Good Vibrations.”

Honorable Mentions and Reflections

The conversation extends to honorable mentions, with discussions about lesser-known tracks and the enduring influence of the Beach Boys in American music history.

• Peter Rosenberg [28:17]: “Item brought to you by bet365. Whatever. At the moment, it's never ordinary at bet365.”

• Earl [30:08]: “You're talking about an instant Rookie of the Year. I will bet my life on.”

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VII. Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts

Upcoming Sports Events

Before concluding, the hosts briefly touch upon upcoming sports events, including the NBA Finals between Oklahoma City and Indiana, and baseball games featuring the Yankees and Royals.

• Peter Rosenberg [36:34]: “But no, it's. My wedding was a happy time.”

Farewell and Promotions

The episode wraps up with standard farewells and promotions for the podcast and sponsors, ensuring listeners stay tuned for future episodes.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Peter Rosenberg [01:08]: “Did you see Giannis today with… Giannis said anybody else Ms. Woj?”

• Jake [03:58]: “The Bucks do not want to trade him. He has not asked for anything yet. There's really no true path for him to get to a team he'd want to go to, to a market he wants to go to.”

• Earl [05:27]: “Whether he makes the Knicks better. He'd make the Knicks better. Could the Knicks afford to do this right now? I don't think so.”

• Peter Rosenberg [16:08]: “How do you know that he didn't take any blame?”

• Jake [28:03]: “One of the greatest songs ever, not just Beach Boys for me is God Only Knows.”

• Peter Rosenberg [41:33]: “He was a great Ranger and does like I said, have a lot of significant moments.”

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This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg masterfully balances in-depth sports analysis with lighter cultural discussions, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of current happenings in New York sports and a delightful trip down memory lane with classic American music. Whether you're a die-hard Knicks fan, a hockey enthusiast, or a Beach Boys aficionado, this episode offers something for everyone in an engaging and informative format.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

402 in the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg hanging out with the old 6:30. Got lots to talk about. Looks like Chris Kreider's on his way to Anaheim. Mets had a really good win last night against the Nationals. Looked like a game that, you know, they spot the Nationals a three run lead. It's a great comeback win.

[Jake]

I actually flipped it over because the Yankee game was just so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, were dominant.

[Jake]

I watched the end of that Alonzo. That was a. I mean he gets out at second, but the hit itself was a clutch hit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was a big hit. And you listen, I get why you do that. You try to draw the throw. And he got thrown out ending the inning, but was able to tie the game and up with a big hit. Soto with a home run. So things are looking good for the Mets who gained the game on Philadelphia. But Philadelphia's taken a half game back as they won their game against the Cubs this afternoon. But with the Knicks are still a major topic of conversation until it's not. And I guess that'll be after they finally decide who their head coach is. And did you see Giannis today with.

[Jake]

His tweet about missing woes? Yeah, wonder what that's about. Is that about? Because there's so much being put out there right about him. That's the one reporting random.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you see? Did you hear that Pete? Giannis said anybody else Ms. Woj?

[Earl]

Really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That must make him feel good.

[Earl]

I can tell you it didn't make feel good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But Shams.

[Jake]

No, no, there's no way Shams likes that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think you gotta get it. Like.

[Earl]

No, but isn't it a direct.

[Jake]

So wait, Jake, you know the genesis of this? So the fake NBA news, Twitter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Jake]

He got. He got sent out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He got sent out because they put out a report that the Lakers were allegedly interested in Giannis. And one of the post people that liked it was Giannis with the check by his name and everything. They screenshot it and put on Twitter. So that's why he put out the WOJ tweet.

[Earl]

So, so, so what he's saying is.

[Jake]

Is he wants to be able to trust what he sees.

[Earl]

But it was. But it was fake. He got sports pickled.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Earl]

So he has no one to blame but himself.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Earl]

And he kind of indirectly insulted Shams.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Earl]

Because really he was stupid and accidentally it happens to the Best of us. I'm not.

[Jake]

He's in Brazil right now. But also, you gotta understand, choices are very difficult.

[Earl]

Giannis in Brazil right now? Yeah, Just on vacay, I guess, getting.

[Jake]

Around, you know, but you can't.

[Earl]

What do you mean getting around?

[Jake]

I'm just saying he's. He's been, he's been moving around. I think he might have been in Greece like a. I thought he was.

[Earl]

I thought he was just in Greece.

[Jake]

Yeah, now he's in Brazil, but that's.

[Earl]

Different because going to Greece is just going home continent.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're right.

[Earl]

Well, no, Greece is just home.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Earl]

Assume he was in Athens.

[Jake]

I don't.

[Earl]

I mean if he was in.

[Jake]

Yeah, he didn't drop a pin for me, so I don't know where exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Earl]

Exactly where.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but I don't think he was.

[Jake]

Also vacationing in New York. You remember a couple of weeks.

[Earl]

I do. He's really been getting around. Get around. Round, round. He gets around. Full circle, 4:30.

[Jake]

Well, well done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I can't make his current team happy. That he was liking something about another team being interested.

[Jake]

It just, it just, it's over.

[Earl]

This isn't even one where it's like.

[Jake]

He had also the line again. He was interviewed in Brazil and Cuz, this is another thing for Knicks fans, all right. When it comes to the Giannis and the dreaming of him coming here and all that stuff. And then him saying in an interview, reportedly, because it seems to be like, loosely translated, he was asked what does he thinks of the NBA Finals? So he was just giving a comment about it. He goes, and I'm looking forward to getting back there, back to the Finals again, or get back to the finals with the Bucks. And people thought, oh, shut it down. He's not leaving. He's not going anywhere. He definitively told everyone he's not leaving Milwaukee. And so I think for him he's like, well, like, what's he gonna say, Cuz, if he says, I look forward to getting back there. Oh, with who? Who does he want to get back there with? Right. He can't win no matter what he says.

[Earl]

Yeah.

[Jake]

So I just think for now, the Giannis stuff, the Bucks do not want to trade him. He has not asked for anything yet. There's really no true path for him to get to a team he'd want to get to, to a market he wants to go to. And yet they stay a winner after the trade because the Knicks would have to gut their roster to get him. Right. And New York's a favorable place for him. And the Lakers the same thing. They would. They don't have anything to offer that would match his gigantic contract. So that's why that stuff gets tabled. But because of that, it spins into the Kevin Durant stuff. Like Wendy's telling everybody who'll listen, this guy's getting traded in the next couple, like next week or two, draft night probably. Or at some point he's getting moved. Phoenix is moving him. Where Shams is reporting that it's places like. I think some of the interested places or teams that have checked in include Minnesota, San Antonio, Miami, Knicks.

[Earl]

I thought Knicks, not Nick's in.

[Jake]

That's what he's saying. Everyone here in New York that covers the Knicks is saying the Knicks are not interested in that kind of a move because it's a $54 million contract for a 37 year old who wants an extension. And is that really the thing you're going to do? Because you'd probably have to move two starters to make the money work. What are we doing? Is he a great player? Great player. Would he make the Knicks better? He'd make the Knicks better. Could the Knicks afford to do this right now? I don't think so. But if you're a Knicks fan, are you like. Nope, gotta get him.

[Earl]

Whatever he is. He's an interesting one because I've said I think one thing the Knicks could really use is a knockdown shooter.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Earl]

Kevin Durant's more than a knockdown shooter, though. Kevin Durant is such a force. He changes your entire team.

[Jake]

Think about this.

[Earl]

It's a different team with Kevin Durant.

[Jake]

Over the last 12 years, just 12 years. He's played longer than that. He has every season shot 50% from the field. That's elite. 40% from three. That's elite. And averaging over 25 a game. Think about that for a minute. 12 years, every year. That's his baseline.

[Earl]

We're saying naturally and with good reason. We're so obsessed with Steph that we don't talk about KD enough. KD could be the greatest shooter who ever lived. Also, he's in the conversation for great shooter of all time.

[Jake]

He's top three. Absolutely.

[Earl]

And he's. And he's basically seven feet tall.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah.

[Earl]

It's.

[Jake]

It's now again, he'll be 37 during. Before next season starts. If you're windows right now, he's a guy you definitely want to get, but the problem is the size of the contract and the fact that he wants an extension off of It. And so if you're the Knicks, he. Is this a favorable market for him? Is this a team he wants to go to? Yes, on all the above. The problem is getting him what it would take. And is that really the best thing for a team that's desperately needing some continuity?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Earl in Brooklyn, you're on ESPN New York. Earl, we say goodbye to Earl and we go to Jose in Connecticut, you're on ESPN New York. What's up, Jose?

[Jose]

What's up, guys? Man, just a few narratives that drive me crazy, man. First of all, the whole entire premise that players don't take blame is just a lie. Here in New York, stars get blamed all the time. Julius Randle, who gave his all here, got shipped out because he didn't show up in the playoffs. Right. So acting like players don't take blame or get blamed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who said that?

[Jose]

You just. Guys, you just said it. One of the players gonna take the blame.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why don't they. I'm saying why don't they look at themselves and blame themselves? When a season ends up being a failure, instead of pointing and say, I want a different coach, how about saying, maybe I need to play better? Yes, players get shipped out by their general managers, but when you're. But after what? After that loss, the players said, I want a different coach. Well, why don't the players say, maybe I need to play better, maybe I need to hit my shots, maybe I need to defend better. Maybe give me another opportunity and we'll do better next year. Why is it always the coach's fault? Why can't the players look in the mirror and say, I need to be better instead of pointing the finger at everybody else? That's what I'm talking about.

[Jose]

But that will be right down. But how do you know that didn't happen? Like we only hearing that players were in the exit interview and gave opinions on the coach. That doesn't mean that they didn't take any blame.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All I know is the one guys he was here and now he's not. And the reports are they said they can't play for him.

[Earl]

Well, but we also knew that some of these guys already truthfully were not into him prior to that game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, and that's fine, but is any player being shipped out now? Maybe, maybe. We'll see. Maybe they'll make some changes. But they come back with the same roster. Jose, I'm left to believe that they think that Tibbs is the reason they didn't win.

[Jose]

I mean, that would be. I agree with that, but I feel that we do have some changes coming. But the other point I wanted to make here was, and I called Colin earlier, and I said, as I've been a consultant for 15 years, there's no way in a functioning business, especially Alan, you call it a collective. They're not you. Actually, it would be a bad plan and just criminal to not have multiple candidates, even if they know there's one guy that will take the job. Like, someone. Like a Dolan could easily say, okay, you like this guy, you better make sure that someone like Udoka is not. Is not available or kid or Finch, because we're making all these assumptions that, oh, if they don't, they didn't get this guy, now they regret firing tips. They could easily say, here are five guys that we will all take over Tims regardless. So just because they didn't get Udoka doesn't mean that the next guy they actually hired, they still had him on a list of their, you know, top five guys. So in the collective, as Han, if that's correct, what you're saying, a collective decision, no one's going to have just one guy. They're all going to have multiple guys. So they're just doing the due diligence. So this is actually what you want. You don't want the old Dolan who just fires a guy and hires Phil Jackson, you know, who didn't even care about the job. Like, you want a collector to say, here are five guys we want, and let's start with the guys. Maybe that, hey, is less likely. But if Udoka, for some reason, we can get them or can get them, great. But if not, we have, I don't know, insert name Johnny Bryant, Mike Malone, whatever. And I don't like the whole thing.

[Jake]

Yeah, Jose, I think you're. You're on point. And maybe Peter can understand you better than me because you're explaining it way better than I did. But I think what you also want to do is, is have those options available, because what you know is, okay, I'm. I need to know this at the beginning. So I'm going to go for the guys that are probably not attainable and see if I can get one to shake free. And if I can't now, I move on. Like, those are guys that you go to first because you need to get the yes or the no. And if you. Once you get the no, all right, we move on. Right? That's what you're doing. And then the minute you bring in Michael Malone and things get hot and heavy, and Jason Kidd's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on a second. Wait, they're about to hire that? Whoa, whoa. No, no. I actually want that job. And now it forces him to make the move that gets him out of there. If that's what you think could happen. But you've got to find out the yes or no before you even begin.

[Earl]

The rest of the process, I guess.

[Jake]

So get that out of the way.

[Earl]

Am I Don, Am I wrong? For if I'm a Nick fan, wishing that they would have been able to. With a move like this, where you're. You think right away, or at least not have to have this sort of public situation where you're getting turned down.

[Jake]

I agree.

[Earl]

This is not ideal.

[Jake]

I agree. I agree. Agree.

[Earl]

Let's back channel this stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree 100%, but the fans are making it sound like Udoka said no. The kids said no. The coaches aren't saying no. The teams that they're currently working for are saying no.

[Earl]

Right. Well, then. But then back to my point.

[Jake]

And then the coaches have to. Because the players that they are now going to stand in front of are going to be. Oh, you're the guy I wanted to go to the Knicks. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But Kid is a different situation because we did hear reports that he is interested. Now Dallas has to say no because they want to play hardball. They want something back. They want something.

[Earl]

Why would they want to get rid of Kidd?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, they might not want to get rid of Kid, but hearing reports that their Kid, that their coach has wanderlust and wants to be the Knick coach, do I want to have my guy be looking elsewhere?

[Earl]

Your. Your best player has been at his best with Kid. You're about to bring in the future of your franchise. The guy you brought in from LA came there and thought he'd be playing. Like, by the way, Kid's a maverick. There's a lot of stuff that makes it appealing for them to keep him there, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I understand that. But I also understand that Kid may go to them and say, I don't want to be here. Let's make this work.

[Earl]

By the way, if that's true, you gotta love it if you're a Nick fan. It makes me want to send Kid to a psychiatrist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, didn't that happen with the Nets?

[Jake]

One year with the Nets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. And then he went to Milwaukee.

[Jake]

Then he went to Milwaukee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he. That's kind of who he is.

[Earl]

He's a wanderlust guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And guess what? There'll be a window in which, if the Knicks don't win, I'm sure he's probably going to want to go someplace else.

[Earl]

But the window for Dallas hasn't even started yet now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the window for the Knicks might be a little bit more down, the little bit more open.

[Earl]

Right. But here's the thing. If they had not pulled that ping pong ball, no problem.

[Jake]

That's a great point.

[Earl]

But they pulled the ping pong ball. Why would you want to leave?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you understand the guy they're about to get.

[Earl]

You're talking about an instant Rookie of the Year. I will bet my life on. I will bet you anything. Cooper Flag out of the gate is like a 20 and 10 guy. It's not going to take long. And then they're going to have him and Davis a problem, but they're going to. They'll get Kyrie back. It's a fun team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, it's a fun, great fan base.

[Earl]

Now the owner's a bit wonky, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

An open Eastern Conference with the possibility of luring Giannis to New York and.

[Jake]

Dallas is a great player who you're close with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can you imagine slaying the dragon in New York?

[Earl]

I know we always hear about slaying the dragon.

[Jake]

Somebody's got to do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I can't get into Jason Kidd's head, but I think the way this could work here, and this is where I give the Knicks a little credit, if they did the work is. And at the end of the day, Kid wants to be in New York. So why would Dallas fight to keep him if he didn't want to be there? So play hard, bowl with the Knicks, try to get as much as you can get back in return and then Kid goes his way, then you can, then you still have an attractive team.

[Earl]

Oh, very. Not the coach, I mean, although who else is out there? As we're learning with the Knicks, there's not that many people out there to get.

[Jake]

Yeah, again, I think, I think you, you have to have Michael Malone on the list, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And maybe Dallas goes.

[Jake]

You, you, you.

[Earl]

If I'm Dallas, that's where you have to go. You have to. When you're going to be starting a rookie like that career.

[Jake]

I thought you meant. No, either Knicks or. Anyway, both. Yeah. Well, you're going to have the usuals. Mike Brown, the guy, coach of the year, he had Sacramento in the right direction until their, their ownership went wonky and they started getting too handsy and they were starting to do things a different way and that, that went the wrong way. And Michael Malone, by the way, just to just to put it out there, because I think he's a great coach. He's a New York guy. His roots are here. But things didn't end well in Denver. Him and the front office were constantly at war. That got to a point where ownership there said, enough's enough. You both are gone. So, you know, if You're Leon Rosen Co. What are you bringing in? Are you bringing in somebody that's gonna do the same things that Tibbs was doing where, you know, this is my team. You guys stay out of it, and all that stuff? So there's. There's a lot of. A lot of. There's not a perfect candidate. And I guess that's probably why, if we dial it all the way back to last week, where I say, I would not have done this because there is no perfect coach or perfect fit.

[Earl]

Right?

[Jake]

Not available.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe. Again, it's just a matter of who does my team want to play for? And if I give them a shot.

[Jake]

Who says he's not coaching then?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if I give him a list of those guys. Who do you want? All right, these are the guys. If he taught. If you talk to the players. I don't want to. I don't want Tibbs to be my coach. The next question is, who do you want to be here?

[Jake]

Well, who do you like? Jay Wright. Well, Jay doesn't want to coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who else? Jason Kidd. All right, well, he's under contract.

[Jake]

He's with somebody else. Who else?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Finch in Minnesota. He's under contract. But you probably think to yourself, all right, I'm the Knicks. I've got some ability, some picks I can send. Maybe. Maybe somebody says yes.

[Jake]

Yeah. Oh, what did it cost? A couple of seconds. All right, we can get Jason Kidd. We'll use a couple of seconds for that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's worth it.

[Jake]

Unless they find out you can't talk to him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Whoever they get, even if it's somebody that was number 50 on the list, they're going to tell you at the press conference how this guy was in the conversation the whole time, and they were really, you know, so it's all going to get spun the way it's going to get spun. You believe what you want to believe. Dave, in the car. You're on, donj.

[Jake]

Results are all that matters.

[Dave]

Hey, how you guys doing? I'm mentioning a guy that absolutely cannot get the job because he's blackballed. I'd like to know why is he blackballed? And he's got a lot of. He knows a lot of stuff from being gundy and from Patino. So, like, I would think that Mark Jackson knows the game X's and O's, plus he gets along with players. You could say, put the team together in Golden State. I know he can't get the job. I understand that. That never happened to me. Here's his blackball. What is the reason why he's blackballed? And I'm a tips guy. I wish Tibbs never got fired, but if I was running this thing and I had to get somebody, I'd go get Mark Jackson. That's what I would do. You know, he can't be the coach. Why can't he be the coach? I'd like to understand why he can't coach anywhere in the league. What is the reason?

[Jake]

I wish I had a definitive answer on that, Dave. I really. And it's been such a long time now that it's. The longer it goes, the less opportunity is going to come for him. Now, he's 60 years old, but it has been, what has it been, 10 years since he's coached.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How long's Kerr been Golden State?

[Jake]

Now, remember, he's also. We heard him a lot. He was a very present, visible voice on ABC, ESPN's coverage of the NBA. He was on the main group, he, Jeff and Mike Brain. So he was very visible and very present in the sport and he had opinions and he was entertaining all that stuff. So the fact that we just have not had a team say, that's the guy we want here, I wish I could find out now here in New York, he's got a connection. He is a New Yorker. He is somebody that fans do love. He has been outspoken in his support of Charles Oakley. Is that part of the problem? I don't know. But I always feel like when you don't have. When you're doing this right now, there are some things you do out of respect. For me, I respect Jeff Van Gundy enough to say I'm gonna. I want him to come in. And if he tells me no, I'd rather him tell me no. But he deserves the respect of, hey, Jeff, we'd love to have you back. Mark Jackson, I personally believe, is another person that I would say, I wanna bring him in. The only problem with doing that is, is it a token interview and all you're doing is out of respect and you really have no intention of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then that's almost disrespectful.

[Jake]

But I want him in the interview process because I want him back in the cycle. And if. And if I don't Feel like he's the right guy for me right now. At least what I've done is put him back in the cycle. So is it a token interview? I don't know. But all I know is I'd like to sit down and find out what he has to say about my team. Cause he might say something that makes me go, you know what? I kind of think he's onto something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think these guys would want an interview unless they knew they were a legitimate candidate.

[Jake]

But I'd rather. I'd rather on people like that that you owe. I don't owe respect. You want to show respect to Van Gundy and Mark Jackson are two people that I feel like if this were me, if I were in the position of president of the franchise, these are things that I would do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's the thing. I don't think Mark Jackson's blackball. I think what happens, and it happened to Bill Cower, it's happened to Jeff Van Gundy, is that you get fired, you're out of the loop for a little while, and then all of a sudden, just too much time goes by. He last coached Golden State in 2014. That's 12 years ago.

[Jake]

Yeah, it is. So it's over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So the majority of the league only knows him as a commentator. They don't know him as a coach. So since it's such a player's league, he's 60 years old. You don't know him. That's the problem.

[Jake]

But, you know, he knows the game because of the broadcaster. He's been following the trends of the game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He knows the sport, of course, but so much time now, doesn't it seem jarring, like you're going to bring him Back to coach 11 years without coaching again? He was involved, but it had.

[Jake]

Like I said, it never happened. At the end of Golden State, where there was a lot of. There was. And as we know, there was a lot going on behind the scenes. There was, yeah. With a lot of the stories that have come out that it just must be to a point now where owners are just basically, we don't want to do now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Too much time has passed. It's almost like, you know, really, what can I do now? He's been out of a loop so long. No, it's staying Van Gundy. The same thing.

[Earl]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When's the last time he coached Houston? That's probably another decade.

[Jake]

Yeah, well, he was out of coaching for a while, too, but he's now coaching with the Clippers. He's an assistant coach. It's great to see him on the sidelines.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is.

[Jake]

And that's why I would say, hey, you're back into coaching. Do you want to be head coaching?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the way to get back in. But I always looked, why else would.

[Earl]

He be doing it, by the way, unless it was not a laid back. I know, and I know that. Right. But, like, he has to think, by.

[Jake]

The way, if you, if you feel like you have egg on your face now because of the kids stuff and everything else, what a home run that would be. If Jeff's like, you know, I do want to coach.

[Earl]

From a public.

[Jake]

Bring you back.

[Earl]

From a public standpoint, I don't know if it leads to a championship. I don't. But from a public win standpoint, I don't feel like no one would ever complain about JBG.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think that's part of MSG's process, how it's gonna move the needle with the fans and the media.

[Jake]

Don, do you ever say to yourself, if I ran a franchise, this is what I would do? Because I find myself doing that all the time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All the time.

[Jake]

Because, you know, enough. Now, we both, we've both covered sports and been in this league, been in this league, been in this business a long time. So we know the operation, we know all the stuff, the machination. It's not an easy job, but there are a lot of decisions that you make that you lean on your staff, and then there's some that, you know, it's what I want. And whenever those. There's those decisions of what do I want, I always sit and say, this is what I would do. And this is one of the things that I would always do. Yeah, I feel like the most important thing to always show is respect. And Mark Jackson, whether you think he's the right coach, whether you think he's a good coach, Mark Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy are two people that I feel like you should always show respect.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Earl]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jake]

Just made the list, buddy.

[Don Hahn]

This is the list with Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now time for the list, which is brought to you by bet365. God, I would say about 10 years ago, Nancy and I went to go see Brian Wilson and, you know, he's been ill for a long time, you know, forever, losing hearing in his ear and all that, many different strokes and all that but to be able to just say, I saw Brian Wilson. And now you look at, you know, he's passed away today at the age of 82. And the beach Boys, to me, are in the conversation. When you think of the greatest American bands of all time, like, you think of greatest bands of all time, we've always had the argument, who, Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Rolling Stones. They're all European. They're all England. So you talk about American bands. It's really, I think, between the Beach Boys and the Eagles as far as, like, the greatest American bands of all time. I mean, obviously Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen. I think more solo artists. You know, the E Street Band and all.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the Beach Boys are pretty significant. We lost Brian Wilson today, so we're not as scared.

[Jake]

Banana Rama is not in this conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, Banana Rim is probably from Europe, if I had to guess.

[Jake]

No, Banana Ram. Are they from Europe?

[Earl]

Does it matter?

[Jake]

Damn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I almost.

[Jake]

I was just trying to pull one out of my hat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have the energy.

[Jake]

Go Gos. The Go Go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Check it out. The Go Go's are definitely American.

[Earl]

Is it. Is it weird? By the way, before we get to this list, tell me if you guys relate to this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm frustrated. I'm gonna look. I didn't. I didn't have the energy to look.

[Earl]

But is it weird that even though I love Billy Joel and, like, have been to many concerts, et cetera. Just hear me out. Still, though, for some reason, even though I love him, when I hear Don reference him, even in, like, the same breath as the Beach Boys, I'm kind of like, as much as I like.

[Jake]

Him, Billy Joel is prolific gigantically.

[Earl]

But like Brian Wilson, we're talking about losing an absolute genius.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's. That Sounds is considered one of the greatest albums of all time. That's right. That sounds with good reason. Was that his challenge? He was absolutely disgusted with himself when sergeant Pepper came out, like, I gotta. I gotta do that. And he made his life's work and to make Pet Sounds. And Pet Sounds was amazing, by the way. Banana Rama, London.

[Earl]

Well, there you go.

[Jake]

You gotta give me Go Go's then, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Go Go's of California. Listen, they're a good baby.

[Jake]

Linda Carlisle and Them Boys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so we're gonna go for it. And this is something we all curated today.

[Earl]

All right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Top five Beach Boy songs.

[Earl]

Top five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's tough because, listen, it's the Beach Boys, right? Pretty significant number. Number five we got. Wouldn't it Be nice?

[Earl]

Number five you're going with. Wouldn't it be nice?

[Peter Rosenberg]

From Pet Sound.

[Earl]

Some people would say number one. Wouldn't it be nice if we were older? Then we wouldn't have to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hi. I would have had it a little. I. I was. I was debating without.

[Jake]

This is like a T. This is like. I'm big into lyrics. Obviously, the story of this.

[Earl]

We know.

[Jake]

I know. The story of this song is. Is a fun story. It's like that, remember it. That young love and. Oh, yeah, you just want to hurry up and get older.

[Earl]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wouldn't it be nice?

[Jake]

Wouldn't it be.

[Earl]

Yeah. No, no, that's. I. It's interesting to hear where you go.

[Jake]

Here because it's bubble gum, but it's great.

[Earl]

Yeah, but if you would. If you had said, that's number one, I would say that's bubble gum. Yeah, I would say.

[Jake]

But it's got a bubblegum sound to it. No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Earl]

No, it's. I hear you, Don. It's a great melody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Too well produced to be bubblegum.

[Earl]

But, yeah, there's something about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number four. Just because it's. It's at their essence. Surfer girl.

[Jake]

So good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So that's number four.

[Earl]

It's funny, I don't listen to this song.

[Jake]

Such a great song.

[Earl]

It's. It's like. It's not in my.

[Jake]

This is. This is a sunset on the beach song.

[Earl]

Yeah, I like the song. It's like, not in my canon, though, of, like, what I listen to from them. Number three, on their surf stuff, I'm just not as into.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's where I think it's kind of bubblegum, but it's. It's kind of their essence.

[Earl]

It's kind of how the average person who doesn't know anything goes right to surfing safari.

[Jake]

Right, right. Of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that, to me, is just. That's.

[Jake]

Yeah, I'm out. I'm out on that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm. That's cool.

[Earl]

You're good on surface.

[Jake]

Yeah, we're good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number three. Don't worry, baby.

[Jake]

Oh, hell, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you think about it, it's all about the. It's all the lyrics.

[Jake]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's not a lot more music, like, from a musician ship, like, instrument standpoint. There's not a lot going on in that.

[Jake]

It's the melodies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's all just a melody. And it. It. It's. It's really terrific stuff.

[Earl]

Number three. That's number three. You're saying.

[Jake]

That's such a great song.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This could be easily number one, but I put it number two, and that is Good Vibrations. If I, if I'm not mistaken, it was kind of albumless for a while.

[Earl]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wasn't this released as, like, a single and it didn't have an album?

[Jake]

I don't go to all that detail, by the way. This was a, this was a commercial song.

[Earl]

Big commercial song.

[Jake]

What was the product? Oh, this was literally used in a commercial.

[Earl]

No, I know, but I'm trying to say. I don't remember which one. I would imagine been in multiple commercials, but. What are you referring to?

[Jake]

Sunkissed. Remember Sunkissed?

[Earl]

Sunkissed had good vibration.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love Sunkiss.

[Jake]

Yeah, they use this song, change up the words.

[Earl]

That's. Let's finish and then we can debate a little bit. I. That's high. I think that's high for Good Vibrations.

[Jake]

Really?

[Earl]

Yeah, really. Now, if you said the list was most popular, no problem. Best. I don't know if I have it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's fair.

[Jake]

That's fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This one, I have number one.

[Earl]

This is not even kind of fun because you've already.

[Jake]

But it's not.

[Earl]

Beat us into this. It's your wedding song.

[Jake]

But it's not debatable, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And.

[Earl]

No, it's debatable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Paul McCartney, it's his favorite song of all time.

[Earl]

Well, he's not on the show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he's not. I wish he would be.

[Jake]

He doesn't have a vote right off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The show to have him on.

[Jake]

He doesn't have a vote.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, we would, we would pivot to don Hahn and McCartney in no time. And no offense, Allen, I, I, I'd pivot to.

[Jake]

I get it. Trust me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For you, too. I'd walk out.

[Earl]

Don McCartney and Rosenberg also works, actually. At that point, we've got to put his.

[Jake]

Rosenberg, John, Paul, George and Rosenberg.

[Earl]

Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number one. One of the greatest songs ever, not just Beach Boys for me is God only knows what I'd be without you.

[Earl]

If you should ever leave me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Carl sang.

[Jake]

This is a rare Carl song. Do you, do you weep? This song comes on randomly, like in the car. You find yourself getting emotional. Is it that? Does it mean that much to you? Because the words to this song are unbelievably deep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But no, it's. My wedding was a happy time.

[Jake]

That's what I mean.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But no, I feel emotional. Not to tears, but I do feel emotional about that song. And I think it's a great, great song.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The other thing, too, there was, like, a lot of debate about, like, for whatever reason, it's odd. It seems more it would apply today than back then. That Usually songs that referred to God didn't chart well. Like, it was almost sacrilegious, but they threw God in there, and it still ended up being a tremendous hit. So that's what we have.

[Earl]

Yeah. It's not a religious song. It's using God as, like, a Right God.

[Jake]

You got an honorable mention, though, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, California Girls has to be honorable mention.

[Earl]

It's classic.

[Jake]

It's. It's. That's why it has to be mentioned, though. Like, if you think Beach Boys. Isn't that the first song you think of?

[Earl]

No, no. But a lot of people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But a lot of people do.

[Earl]

And, you know, here's. Here's what makes it so hard. What makes this impossible to me is, like, the. You know, the biggest. My biggest connection to the Beach Boys is Pet Sounds.

[Jake]

Mm.

[Earl]

So, like, I would probably choose five songs off Pet Sounds. Like, it's that kind of album.

[Jake]

I get it.

[Earl]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jake]

Are you gonna do the B side stuff?

[Earl]

Well, not. It's not even B side stuff.

[Jake]

It's. It's.

[Earl]

You're gonna say it's that, but I don't think of it as that. I just think of it as There's. It's like. It's like picking songs from a classic album where all the songs are kind of famous. Don and I think this is in the conversation. Sloop. John B. Could definitely be in the conversation.

[Jake]

Really good song.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really? Any of those songs.

[Jake]

Hoist up the John B Sale.

[Earl]

And the more. And the more B Sideish one that is truly a banger on this album is I'm waiting for the day that is like an absolute. You'll know. Hold on.

[Jake]

Yeah. You got to give it to me.

[Earl]

When it gets to the end of that song starts breaking down and he hits the John, you know I'm talking about, Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Earl]

When he hits the. You didn't think. You didn't think that I would.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Earl]

It's like the most aggressive.

[Jake]

It is so rare. Yeah.

[Earl]

So I. I got you. I have no issues with the list. They're all. They're all great songs. Again, I'm not the biggest surfing era Beach Boys guy, but I enjoy those songs. And I'm sure there are people listening, by the way. We have to just be real. There are people listening right now where the Beach Boys, to them, are only songs they've heard in commercials.

[Jake]

Right, right.

[Earl]

And sort of like, at parties. And when you think of old bands.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Earl]

You think the Beatles and then the Beach Boys, and they don't have a connection. To it. There's a lot of people who feel that way now, but you're missing out on Pet Sound.

[Jake]

It's a sound that is a classic sound because it's their unique sound.

[Earl]

Correct.

[Jake]

But it's not a sound that stands the test of time, necessarily.

[Earl]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Generational.

[Earl]

No, not if it's not something you're into.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, from what I could see, Good Vibrations was released as a single. It wasn't on an album. I think it was eventually supposed to be on Smile, which never happened.

[Earl]

Oh, that's what Good Vibrations. Is that from an album?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's supposed to be on Smile. But Smile never never materialized.

[Jake]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When he was going through a lot of stuff.

[Earl]

Also. Also, truly in Rosenberg B side fashion, I do want to point out in Pet Sounds, the song let's Go Away For a While, which is just an instrumental interlude in the middle of the album that is pure hot fire. That I'm amazed. Has never been sampled by anyone. It's just.

[Jake]

I was going to ask you what has been sampled. By the way, great job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I should say that was the list brought to you by bet365. Whatever. At the moment, it's never ordinary at bet365.

[Earl]

I'm going to look right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think anything.

[Earl]

Let me look. I don't think anything of, like. Unless I'm completely blanking out. Let's see, most popular samples. Good Vibrations was sampled in 42 songs.

[Jake]

Oh.

[Earl]

I forgot I did know this. It was just Beyonce just used it in Yaya. But it's a vocal. It's her reusing the refrain gotcha. Which is, I'm guessing, what most of these samples will come up as is people just saying the things that they say. The sound is so unique. You'd have to really be creative to flip something that they did that I agree with. They are. But, man, Brian Wilson and Sly Stone, too, man. And as Don said earlier, both. Both 82 years old, both iconic in different ways. You know, I was watching Carson Daly on the Today show, did a feature about Sly Stone and was talking about how, in addition to the incredible music, like the fusion of music that Sly and the Family Stone was, how groundbreaking they were for being an interracial music group, which, by the way, even if you think about it, to this day, isn't really common.

[Jake]

No, not even close.

[Earl]

Like, even now, rare. There are not many groups where the members are, in the case of Sly the Family Stone, different races and genders, all in a group, just not common. And of course, they did in the late 60s. And then there's a fusion of music that they were. And I'm no expert on Sly and the Family Stoner or Sly Stone. I just know the stuff that I love. I love, but, man, what a. I wonder. God forbid, I wonder who the third is, though. You know, these things come in threes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't even want to think about that. And that's too legend like that. Sorry, what'd you say with the Fifth Dimension? They were like that.

[Jake]

That's a good example.

[Earl]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want to. I want to thank Matthew. I just got it reversed. It was Rubber Soul that inspired to make Pet Sounds. And then the Beatles said, we have to come with.

[Earl]

We have to now follow up Pet Sound.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, if you want to get. Let's face it, if you want to. If you want to try to win a face off against the Beatles.

[Jake]

Battle of the Bands.

[Earl]

No, it's a tough face off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're gonna have to get the puck another time.

[Earl]

No, you're gonna get. Because album wise, they're gonna keep coming back over and over again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but. So thank you to Matthew for that. I had it reversed, but I knew it was a Beatle album that inspired him to. To have his opus. And then the Beatles came back with that. Yeah, just. It was just a tough day, but. But a chance to celebrate something that I think a lot of people can really get into in this country, especially with the Beach Boys.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Earl]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Game Time is brought to you by Teleporter Irish Whiskey.

[Earl]

Because when it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Game Time, fellas.

[Earl]

Oh, no. Turn them off. This is 2 stock today. Oh, this is a disgrace. Oh, my God. Time.

[Jake]

Is this not the theme song of the show, though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want to apologize.

[Earl]

Feel so broken.

[Jake]

This is the worst trip.

[Earl]

What is? What? What, Don? What is the Sloop John B.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A boat.

[Jake]

It's a boat.

[Earl]

John B. Is a boat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ship.

[Earl]

Confirmed. A boat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's.

[Jake]

The whole idea is like, I actually.

[Earl]

That makes sense.

[Jake]

They're all mates on a boat and they aren't happy.

[Earl]

Got it. Granddad brought the kids on the boat. Everything about them is so California. It's so unrelatable to most people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Earl]

People in New York, I swear to God, I was like, Sloop John B. Was at a highway. You know what I mean? How are you hopping on a sloop John B. What the hell's a sloop? John B.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are they singing about heroin? What are they doing?

[Jake]

Yeah, well, when he says at the end, this is the worst trip I've ever been on. Yeah, it's double meaning.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, man. Anyway, the Mets continue their series with the Nationals coverage immediately following us on 880 at 6 30. And the Yankees are in Kansas City to take on the Royals at 7:40 rawls. And of course we've got the NBA Finals tonight on abc.

[Jake]

Oh, that's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's an NBA Finals OKC Indiana.

[Jake]

I forgot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The lack of interest and time between games is really not good. I think hurt the series.

[Jake]

This might be the last game that pulls you like can can pull you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the best because if Indiana wins, you got yourself a series of the thunder go out win by 20. It's like, all right, it's just a matter of time. Tullamore Dew, the original triple distill triple blend in and triple Cats matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew. Honey. During today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly. Larry Brooks has been on this story from the jump. It appears that Chris Kreider's on his way to Anaheim. He's been informed of it. Is good with it. Now it's just a matter of the Rangers announcing it. Don't expect that much back. It'll be a prospect and a pick because what the Rangers are trying to do is alleviate the money that's left on Crider's salary. He is signed through 27 at a $6.5 million cap hit each of the next two years. So the benefit to the Rangers of trading Crider is to get that cap space, which they already have a little over $8 million of cap space before this deal. But they also have guys that they've got to get signed. They got to figure out what they're going to do with Keandre Miller. So there's other things and other needs they have, but that's a lot of money to free up. When you look at Robertson available, Bennett's available, they can bring in a significant player here. But I'm, I see a lot of Ranger fans are torn. You've got people that are like, all right, I'm gone. I'm good. I'm done with Kreider. It's over. Get rid of him. And Savannah. Jad, great effort, but it's not enough. We got to move on. And some they're like you know, good riddance. And there are some that are like upset. I side with the ones that are upset, like they had to do it. It's too much money. He's 34 years old and clearly he's past his prime. But he's the third leading scorer in the history of the franchise. Only two players to score more goals than Chris Kreider as a Ranger are Roger and John Ratel. He is tied for the most power play goals in Rangers history and he has scored some of the most significant goals in these runs, including, you know, saving their bacon a game six, two years ago against Carolina and it looked like they were going to blow a three nothing series lead and didn't help to go back to the Garden. Game seven. He, he was one of those guys that wore his heart on his sleeve even in his 52 goal season. And believe me, I covered this team called games, been in that room. He could score a hat trick if they lost the game. He was disgusted, always talked. I give him credit for that. But he hated to lose and he loved being a Ranger. Anaheim's getting a terrific guy. They're going to get a player that can maybe score 30 goals for him. You know, they want to try to see if they can, you know, get relevant, move up. They had a pretty decent year last year. So they see value in Crider and the Rangers see value in freeing up that money. So we'll see what they do with that money during the off season. But whether you loved him, hated him, whether he frustrated you, all those things could be true. He was a great Ranger and I'm going to, I'm going to be sad to see him go. He was a really good guy to cover.

[Jake]

It's, it's kind of what's happening now with these long term deals is once you get, it's almost like baseball. It's once you get towards the end of them when you know, the player really doesn't, everything left and he becomes an albatross, right? You just got to move on. And one man's trash is another man's treasure. When you're trying to establish your re. Establish yourself as a franchise, those are the types of vets you like to bring in because they help you when you have a young team. But for the Rangers, this is the business move. This is the business side of the whole thing. But yeah, look, the problem with fans is the immediacy and it's the I'm sick of his face kind of stuff, right? Fans did this with Carmelo Anthony towards the End. It was like they were just so. They wanted him gone. They didn't care, get rid of him. We're not winning with him. He makes a lot of money, all that stuff. And they couldn't wait to get rid of him. Now standing ovations. Every time he's in the building, standing ovations. You only remember the good Chris Kreider one day. Well, he'll come back with the Ducks. He'll get a standing ovation. Yeah, like they'll. He'll be remembered the right way. But when you talk about was it time? Yes, it was time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because the Rangers, what the Knicks did is they say that we think we have a team that's good enough, we just have to get another coach because the players wanted another coach. Rangers did that for a while and now it's time. We need another roster.

[Jake]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And what happened over the last couple of years is, is that the core was beginning to deteriorate and Kreider and Sabanajad were the face of that core. And Sabanajad doesn't want to waive his no trade clause. Although it's being reported that now that Crider's gone, maybe Zabanajad would be willing to move on as well.

[Jake]

They're that close.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're very, very close.

[Jake]

That if he's not in the room now, the team's not the same.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now what I would say to Zabanaj, that, listen, you had to know that there was a chance Crider was going to go. Why were you so adamant about not waiving your no trade clause, but whatever.

[Jake]

Well, he just started a family and he's got roots. He's really put roots down here in New York. And another great guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's got to go, but it doesn't. It looks like his best years are behind him.

[Jake]

And really, where are you going to DJ other than New York?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He is a very interesting car. His dad's hilarious. Just you don't usually get that combination of Iranian and Swedish. Yeah, that's not every day. That's what he is. And that's why you see him kick field goals.

[Jake]

Like he's a really good athlete.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it looks like his time has come. Crider's time has come as well. Dave said it when they got J.T. miller. The sooner this becomes J.T. miller's team, the better. And it's going to start to become J.T. miller's team. But we are going to see a significant guy go. The question is much like with Carmelo Anthony, do they retire Kreider's Number. I think it's something that should be considered. He was a great Ranger and does like I said, have a lot of significant moments. And, and, and boy, the Rangers retire.

[Jake]

A lot of jerseys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well they do and they don't.

[Jake]

What do you mean they don't? They've retired.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many jerseys they have retired now they've got.

[Jake]

And some guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jockeyman. Those are the guys that didn't.

[Jake]

Didn't win Cups.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then you got the, the Rangers that won the Richters Graves mess.

[Jake]

I thought well before isn't. Is it Howell.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Howell and Bathgate winning together.

[Jake]

Yeah. Did they. They won Cups back then how. And Bath Gate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they weren't part of like the, it was 1940. I mean they were part of the 72 team. Like Hatfield, he's in from the 72 team. The only guy is Brad park that I think deserves to be there. They haven't retired his number yet. And why they won't go. We've talked about this with Howie Rose. Why they won't go to the Cooks and all the guys from the beginning of the franchise. They just don't do that. But they, they've got it. I, I think it's a decent amount. Listen, if I had to guess, I would say probably not.

[Jose]

Well, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why not? Lester Patrick was a great.

[Jake]

Talk about a founding father of the sport.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know some kind of significance in the building for the, the Cook brothers and all that. But they just don't have that kind of like the franchise kind of started as far as they're concerned in that. In the 60s and.

[Jake]

But I feel like that about, about like the Knicks. Like the Knicks. The Knicks went to three consecutive finals at the start of the, in the beginning of the NBA. They were in three straight finals. They didn't win them. They lost twice to the Lakers and George Mikin which everybody did. But they, they had guys on those teams back then that were, you know, Carl Braun and like they had great players that are all time greats and they're not, they're not recognized with their numbers being retired.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now if the Rangers had won say in 2014 or won the cup two of the last three years the way they did. I think Criders are numbers and certainly Henrik Lundquist, don't forget his numbers were.

[Jake]

That's another one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So they've got, they've got a few.

[Earl]

But cautionary tale though, this whole Rangers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thing for the Knicks it is.

[Earl]

Oh man, you think, you think a year we're right there, right there. Fast forward and it's all broken up, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because you get so close and it's like, all right. And he's so right.

[Jake]

Don't put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.

[Earl]

I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So right about the when he talks about Jenga, that's the way it is. It's like one false move and it all comes tumbling down. Hopefully that's not happening to the Knicks. So Knicks are on the table. A lot of baseball to get to as well. Good days for the Yankees and the Mets last night. It's all happening here on Don Hannah Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

[Jake]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Jake]

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[Don Hahn]

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