Hour 2: Knicks & The NFL Binge

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast: Episode Summary

Title: Hour 2: Knicks & The NFL Binge
Release Date: April 28, 2025
Hosts: Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Description: The first voice of ESPN New York and New Jersey legend Don La Greca, long-time sportswriter and handsome New York Knick broadcaster Alan Hahn, and highly opinionated Hip Hop vet and WWE personality Peter Rosenberg dissect the latest in New York sports and beyond.

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1. Knicks Performance and Strategic Analysis

The episode kicks off with an in-depth analysis of the New York Knicks' recent performance, particularly focusing on their showdown against the Nationals. The hosts dissect the game's pivotal moments, pitching strategies, and bullpen effectiveness.

Key Points:

• Bullpen Concerns: The discussion centers around Diaz's inability to secure back-to-back saves, questioning whether it's a strategic choice or indicative of underlying issues.

  Peter Rosenberg: "Is Diaz unable to close back-to-back days? Something is going on?" [01:13]

  Alan Hahn: "Is it that important to put him at quote unquote risk, whatever the reason is..." [01:42]

• Pitching Strategy: The conversation delves into whether the Knicks should prioritize Diaz's rest over pushing for consecutive wins in April, balancing short-term gains against long-term player health.

  Alan Hahn: "A 10th straight win in April versus just keep him on his rest. And if we. We blow it, we blow it. And that's on us." [01:58]

2. MLB Insights: Yankees and Mets Updates

Transitioning to Major League Baseball, the hosts evaluate the Yankees' recent sweep against the Nationals and their upcoming series against the Orioles. Concurrently, they touch upon the Mets' position in the league.

Key Points:

• Yankees' Offense vs. Pitching: Critique of the Yankees' pitching inconsistencies juxtaposed with a clicking offense.

  Peter Rosenberg: "The offense is the offense. Right. I mean that's just what the Yankees are going to be able to do." [02:36]

• Simulated Announcer Segment: In a playful segment, the hosts simulate announcing the Yankees' starting lineup, highlighting both the camaraderie and the competitive spirit within the team.

  Peter Rosenberg: "Here's your Yankee starting lineup for the game tonight against the Baltimore Orioles in Camden." [03:28]

3. Listener Engagement: Calls from Fans

The hosts interact with callers, bringing in diverse opinions and passionate support for the Knicks. These segments underscore the fervent fan base and provide real-time reactions to ongoing sports narratives.

Key Points:

• Optimism Amid Criticism: A caller from Manhattan expresses unwavering faith in the Knicks' ability to compete against the Celtics, countering negative forecasts.

  Caller Chris: "We got to play the Celtics and If I'm not mistaken, we wanted the Celtics last year, but we weren't healthy. The team that we put together this year is going to be..." [06:16]

• Host Support: The hosts back the caller's sentiments, emphasizing the Knicks' potential to extend the series and challenge expectations.

  Don Hahn: "A 10th straight win in April versus just keep him on his rest. And if we. We blow it, we blow it. And that's on us." [01:58]

4. NFL Draft Critique: Quarterback Evaluations

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting the NFL draft, particularly the flawed evaluations of quarterback prospects. The hosts express skepticism about the league's long-standing issues in accurately assessing quarterback talent.

Key Points:

• Systemic Issues: The hosts argue that the NFL has struggled for decades to properly evaluate quarterbacks, leading to questionable draft decisions.

  Peter Rosenberg: "The NFL has been clueless for 50 years when it comes to evaluating quarterback." [24:40]

• Shador Sanders Case: A detailed examination of Shador Sanders' late selection in the draft, attributing his downfall to both his performance and the overbearing influence of his father, Deion Sanders.

  Don Hahn: "Shador slid and slid and slid in the NFL draft. And for one, our very own Mel Kuiper Jr. Not happy with what happened with Shador." [24:07]

  Alan Hahn: "It's a worst kept secret. Teams didn’t want Deion's influence." [25:36]

• Parental Influence: The discussion highlights how Deion Sanders' involvement negatively impacted Shador's draft prospects, drawing parallels with past NFL draft missteps influenced by family dynamics.

  Alan Hahn: "He has got to cut the cord, and so does Dion. If this is going to work out and let him go through the trials and tribulations..." [30:14]

5. Prank Calls During the Draft: A Growing Concern

The hosts address the troubling trend of prank calls targeting draft prospects during critical periods, emphasizing the disrespect and potential emotional toll on the players involved.

Key Points:

• Impact on Players: The episode underscores how these prank calls undermine the integrity of the draft process and add unnecessary stress to young athletes.

  Peter Rosenberg: "This is a pathetic sign of society that we every now and then have to see the ugly underbelly." [37:26]

• Responsibility of Teams: Criticism is directed towards teams for not safeguarding their draft processes against such malicious activities.

  Alan Hahn: "Make sure he doesn't have access to the numbers." [38:54]

6. Future Outlook: NFL and NBA Predictions

As the episode progresses, the hosts offer predictions and insights into the future of both the NFL and NBA, basing their analysis on current team performances and strategic decisions.

Key Points:

• Washington Commanders' Move: Announcement of the Washington Commanders' relocation back to D.C., discussing the financial and logistical implications.

  Don Hahn: "They will be playing where RFK Stadium still stands." [39:20]

  Peter Rosenberg: "Another building that'll be better than MetLife." [40:05]

• NBA and NHL Playoffs: Predictions on playoff outcomes, emphasizing the challenges teams face on the road versus home turf.

  Alan Hahn: "You're going to have the bad teams again. Memphis didn't get it. They have a shot." [17:20]

  Peter Rosenberg: "10, 10 road teams have won and three in the Florida Tampa series alone because the home team hasn't won a game." [17:29]

7. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

In wrapping up, the hosts reflect on the discussions, reiterating the importance of strategic foresight in sports management and expressing anticipation for future episodes.

Key Points:

• Draft Decisions' Long-Term Impact: Emphasis on how draft choices, particularly quarterback selections, can shape the future of NFL franchises.

  Alan Hahn: "This is really a troubling, troubling story. It has so many tentacles, by the way." [31:30]

• Commitment to Informed Commentary: The hosts reaffirm their dedication to providing insightful and honest sports analysis, encouraging listeners to stay engaged.

  Alan Hahn: "Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts." [42:16]

Notable Quotes with Attributions:

• Peter Rosenberg: "The NFL has been clueless for 50 years when it comes to evaluating quarterback." [24:40]

• Alan Hahn: "It's a worst kept secret. Teams didn’t want Deion's influence." [25:36]

• Don Hahn: "Shador slid and slid and slid in the NFL draft. And for one, our very own Mel Kuiper Jr. Not happy with what happened with Shador." [24:07]

• Peter Rosenberg: "This is a pathetic sign of society that we every now and then have to see the ugly underbelly." [37:26]

• Don Hahn: "They will be playing where RFK Stadium still stands." [39:20]

Conclusion

This episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast offers a comprehensive exploration of current sports dynamics in New York, with a special focus on the Knicks and critical examinations of the NFL draft process. Through engaging discussions, listener interactions, and candid critiques, the hosts provide valuable insights for sports enthusiasts seeking depth beyond the surface-level analysis.

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Note: All timestamps correspond to the podcast transcript sections provided and are included to highlight the placement of notable quotes within the discussion.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

402 in the big city. Don Han, Rosenberg, Mets are getting underway. You can hear that on 880. Trying to bounce back after what was a miserable loss to the Nationals. A 71 lead, 6 nothing, then 7 1.

[Alan Hahn]

Gill, he picked right. McGill pitched great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He pitched great.

[Alan Hahn]

Another good outing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He plays a fly ball and it opens up a big five run inning.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, he's blaming Soto.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I mean, he. It did happen. I'm not going to blame him for the loss because they had a 71 lead and it didn't. All those five runs didn't happen.

[Alan Hahn]

Not Soto, Budo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they had to. And they still had the 76 lead. But what I want to know is, and there might be a few people that you know because the Mets haven't started yet. And I don't want to get into a whole baseball conversation. We'll do that later on. Is what Diaz can't close back to back days. Is something going on? I mean, it's April. I know it's early and all that, but you know, some games, you know what? Some games are more important than others. Like, oh, you're about to blow a 71 lead. Maybe we should go to Diaz for a second consecutive save just so we don't blow this game.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, but there's your question. Is it that important to put him at quote unquote risk, whatever the reason is, right, for a win. Well, a 10th straight win in April versus just keep him on his rest. And if we. We blow it, we blow it. And that's on us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's fine. I mean, because you can't, you can't get crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

This is not September, late September where you need it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's also, we're asking you to throw back to back days. Is there something going on here? If there's something Going on, then I completely understand.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if he's perfectly healthy and you're like, well, I just don't feel like right now having him pitch back to back days because it's a long season. I just think it's a little strange. And then you got Devin Williams losing his job with the Yankees, but the Yankees did sweep the double header. They're playing tonight, starting a series with the Orioles.

[Alan Hahn]

Slow start for Freed, but then he was, he was just fantastic after that. And you know, their offense clicking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The offense is the offense. Right. I mean that's just what the Yankees are going to be able to do. But you're going to certainly nitpick.

[Alan Hahn]

Good to see Volpe get one, get, get, you know, put one out in the, in the alpha. I think it was a double, right? That was a big, big tack on run.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Want to just get into it since we're talking about the Yankees. This is the Yankee starting lineup which is brought to you by Certipro. Certapro Painters. Yeah. And Grisham is going to be your lead off hitter and he's going to be in center field.

[Alan Hahn]

Hang on, hang on here. I need you to do. You are an announcer. You are one of the best announcers I know. I need this. Like you're about to call the game and you're letting the audience know.

[Don Hahn]

Is this what you want to do, Don?

[Alan Hahn]

Honestly, I want, I want to feel.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Doing this, but I want to feel it. I don't want to let down my audience.

[Don Hahn]

And he buttered you up like that. It's tough to have now not do it.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on, let's go. Announce your voice. Don, go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's your Yankee starting lineup for the game tonight against the Baltimore Orioles in Camden. I don't even know where it is now.

[Alan Hahn]

Camden Yards.

[Don Hahn]

Trent, can I make another request? Another request? Another request. Sorry, sorry. Don, I want you to do what Alan's doing, but can you make it Al, I think you'll agree. Can we get a little old timey baseball too?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, can we get Brockmire?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, a little Brockmire.

[Alan Hahn]

Old timey vibes of Brockmire. Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Starting in center field tonight for your Bombers, Trent Grisham is going to be straight away in center field. Your leadoff hitter, big bad Aaron Judge. He's going to be out in the outfield as well. Right field, he'll be batting second. Cody Bellinger, I remember his dad knew him well. Playing left field, he'll be batting third. Your cleanup hitter, Paul Goldschmiddleby at first base. Jazz Grisham Jr. He is going to be at second base, batting fifth. And Thinny Bolt.

[Alan Hahn]

Trent Grisham and Jazz Grisham had a baby. Now he's playing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His name, Chisholm. Sorry. Correction, Error, error. Anthony Volpe's your shortstop. Batting six. Austin Wells. He'll be. He'll be bearing the tools of ignorance behind home plate. Jason Dominguez, the Martian is your DH Oswaldo. Oh, no. Oswald Pereira, Is it Parasa, third base. I'm all of. I'm all over. The guys put too much pressure on me. Will Warren is going to be towing the rubber tonight.

[Don Hahn]

Towing the rubber.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, Hannah? How's the wing? Will? He'll be a starting pitcher. So there you go.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, beautiful. You got there.

[Alan Hahn]

You want to close out the Certapro?

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

That was way more fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know. I was just having fun.

[Alan Hahn]

I love that. That was tremendous. Especially because you put a little like New England. Like, it's almost like an old timey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But New England announcer. Right.

[Don Hahn]

Many years ago. There was a time, many years ago when Don and I started mocking the lineup so much that we would do it in like a huge crazy voice. And then Don started screaming and one remote poured water over his head and slid in front of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was at the. PC Richards.

[Don Hahn]

PC Richards out on the road. On the island.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep. Yeah, because we were just trying to have some fun with it. Pumped up for the lineup, but now.

[Alan Hahn]

We got it out of the way. So much fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sorry. Let's go. Let's go to Chris in the UPS truck. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Chris?

[Chris]

Hey, how you guys doing today?

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Chris. Good, good.

[Chris]

Listen, I. I had a great weekend watching the Knicks. When I come, I come on the. You know, I'm having a long day at work. I'm still happy about the Knicks. And then I hear you guys saying will be lucky to win one game in the Celtics. And I just don't understand how. I'm not saying we're gonna win. I'm not saying we're gonna beat them. Crazy. We're not gonna get walked all over. Before the series started, everybody was like, you don't want to play Pistons, you don't want to play Orlando. The height, the roughness. Well, we're handling that now. We got to play the Celtics and If I'm not mistaken, we wanted the Celtics last year, but we weren't healthy. The team that we put together this year is going to be, God willing, if we beat these people tomorrow, we will be playing them full, healthy. I don't see how we're automatically not. Not there. Yes, they won the chip. Yes, they are the people. But I'm taking Cat over Porzingis. I'm not going to take Tatum or anybody. You know, I'm not going to take anybody on my team over Tatum. But we have Brunson, we have OG, we have Mikel. We have to worry about them. And Pritchard and I. I don't see how it's. How we're going to get walked all over. I don't see it. I don't see it at all. I see it as. You know, we could get swept, but I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We could lose everything by skipped over a few people. Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

Chris.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You just, you know, you just talked yourself into a pretzel, so we're going to let you get off the phone.

[Alan Hahn]

I love Chris.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And unwind yourself.

[Alan Hahn]

I love Chris. He's having a day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're not going to get walked over. We might get swept. Nobody's saying you're going to be embarrassed. Nobody's saying you don't belong. I just think what all. Alan was the one that said, they'll get a game.

[Alan Hahn]

Can you get a game? Is what all we'll be saying before a series like that is, can you get a game? Not saying they can't. Just, can you get a. They haven't beaten him in two years.

[Don Hahn]

I'm saying this as a Celtics fan. Can you get a game is a very low bar for this level of Knicks team. I really do. I mean, Orlando got a game. I think the Knicks should be thinking, how about this? Can you fight for a split of the first two and make it a series?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's another one. Right.

[Don Hahn]

Because if that. If one game. If you get that game in game one or two, you immediately have a series through four. Right now we're playing a real series through four. And then you see. Can you get one more? And at that point, I think we'd all say that's a pretty successful season. They get two off the Celtics and push this to six. That's a very successful. And you never know what's going to happen, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't. Yeah.

[Richard]

Chris esports.

[Don Hahn]

Inca's head almost came off the other day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tatum gets hurt again. You want to be in the fight?

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you got to Prognosticate. And if the fact is, I think most people would probably say would go five, maybe it would go six. Nobody's saying they wouldn't belong. Nobody's saying they can be completely blown out. It wouldn't be. I don't think you'd see, you know, OKC Memphis series where you're going to be losing by double digits, three out of the four games. I don't think anybody's saying that. But at the end of the day, I think Boston's just a better team. Plus, exactly what condition are you going to come out of this series?

[Alan Hahn]

And I also want to add that I'm telling you, from what I know in Boston is that team, the Knicks just have a certain. Like, they like Orlando. You know, you bat the bunny. They bat the bunny with Orlando. Right. They would see the Knicks and want to just annihilate them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because you say players pay attention, like the Knick fan. The Knicks are hearing the conversation about what's going on. Those Celtic players, that's why they got up for every game in the regular season. It felt like. Like, you know, what they wanted to. They heard during the off season how they would have lost to the Knicks if the Knicks weren't banged up. And. And all that. And they're going to. There's something brings out. Plus playing at the Garden, that's not nothing. You know, playing in Orlando on a Sunday, you know, late afternoon, is different than playing at Madison Square Garden anytime.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. Yeah, it's definitely. You'd get their attention and you'd get their best effort and there'd be no batting of any bunnies in that series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. Because you know what. And when they get. And when they get to the Garden, some Celtic fans might get into the building, but they know they're going to be in a hostile environment. I mean, it felt like there were a lot of Celtic fans at the building yesterday in Orlando.

[Alan Hahn]

Orlando, I told you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And just like there'd be a bunch of Knick fans if they were playing in Orlando. That's just the way that it works out. Is it too early?

[Alan Hahn]

Too early for Richard.

[Don Hahn]

You gonna do it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's on topic.

[Don Hahn]

All right, let's. Let's, you know.

[Alan Hahn]

Why does it always have to be at the end?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's why I'm just asking him what's, you know, early dick can be good, right? So many things I want to say, but I enjoy my job staying quiet. Richard in Manhattan. How are you, buddy?

[Alan Hahn]

Wait for it.

[Don Hahn]

Nope, wait. Everyone, wait. Is it over?

[Peter Rosenberg]

See I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you, I don't have. That's gonna be a drop. Because it was glorious. Oh, yeah. I don't have the evidence, Peter. I don't have it, because we track this stuff more than Alan does. Is that this is what happens with early Dick. Like, if you. You get off schedule, Dick, this is what ends up happening.

[Don Hahn]

It's a great point by you because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, he's back. But you know what? I just think that was just a reminder that, you know, he was ready.

[Alan Hahn]

But he wasn't ready.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, it's too early.

[Alan Hahn]

He needed more time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just. You know what? You took it out of the oven too soon. The banana was a little too green.

[Don Hahn]

What could have been happening?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't. You know, he's back. Do you want to just go back to find out what happened?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, let's. Let's find out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. Rich, in God's name, what just took place?

[Caller]

Don, Peter. Yes, Alan.

[Alan Hahn]

Hi, Richard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All of us.

[Caller]

How are you guys? Hey, listen. 1969, all right? Knicks, Celtics, Celtics had Bill. They had John, Sam and K.C. barry Howell. And you know how many games the Knicks took that playoff?

[Alan Hahn]

Seven.

[Caller]

No, how many did they win from Boston?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, how many games they got?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I thought three.

[Alan Hahn]

They.

[Caller]

68, 69.

[Alan Hahn]

Season did not go seven games, so they got three.

[Caller]

No, no, no. Almost, Alan. Six games.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Caller]

I don't see Bill and John Havlicek on this team, so please don't bother me. Well, Jalen Brunson is right now.

[Don Hahn]

Jason Tatum's a better Celtic than John Havlicek. I'm going to let you know right now.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Caller]

Jason Taylor. No. No way. No way. Allen, I'll sit with you one day and explain to you why every check sub he won as a main man.

[Alan Hahn]

That was Peter's me.

[Don Hahn]

But in the history books, one day.

[Caller]

I can explain it, all right? Jalen Brunson right now is above Bernard King. For some reason, Bernard King is revered 50 times more than Latrell Sprewell. Latrell brought us to a championship series. So, I mean, I'm not saying Bernard is not great, but you got Jalen Brunson, Latrell Sprewell right now. I don't know if you. Who you would.

[Don Hahn]

Bernard King's a better player than Latrell Sprewell.

[Caller]

Well, Bernard King again, but who's the one.

[Alan Hahn]

Bernard King averaged 31 points a playoffs and he took the knicks. He went seven games against that Larry Bird 84 Celtic team by himself. Broken fingers.

[Caller]

I got a quiz for you guys. You'll love this. Dick Barnett passed away.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Do you know who the Yankee equivalent of Dick Barnett was? Same sort of player, same impact on either the Yankees or the Knicks. And Same thing. He was acquired the same way. Dick Barnett, who was his Yankee equivalent? Exactly the same.

[Alan Hahn]

You mean he was like the first.

[Caller]

Greg Nettles. That was their first piece. The Yankees, in 72 to 73 season. Barnett came in 65, I think. 65 or 66. He came, I think, a year after.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, yeah, from the Lakers.

[Caller]

We traded a good player for him, Bob Boosa, who was a really good player, but he was. You hear this expression all the time. I can't stand it. In the playoffs, you shorten the bench. That's not what you do. You don't shorten the bench. What you do is you limit the bench minutes. That's the problem. I don't care if you play seven or six or eight. You have to have these guys playing at least 45 minutes. Otherwise, the starters are playing 41 minutes like they did last night. Forty and a half minutes. Last night, the starters played 204 minutes. Too much, fellas. Too much.

[Alan Hahn]

Not in the playoffs. Not in the playoffs.

[Caller]

Too much. They're the only team doing it.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Caller]

I got some.

[Alan Hahn]

I can't. I can't let you get away with that. That's. That's. No, no. The Lakers played the entire. They played five guys for a whole.

[Caller]

The center didn't play. Yeah, they started and played five minutes. You're right.

[Alan Hahn]

But they played five guys for the whole second half. That's it. The same five played the whole. That's never happened.

[Caller]

Yeah, they were a desperate team.

[Alan Hahn]

But when you're in the playoffs, you play your best players.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what you do.

[Caller]

Fellas, I got two questions for you. NBA, NHL playoffs analytics. There have been 31 NBA playoff games. Now, not the. Not the play in games. 31. How many you think the home team has won?

[Peter Rosenberg]

26.

[Caller]

Okay, go ahead. Alan.

[Alan Hahn]

Peter, NHL.

[Caller]

No, no, do the NBA. First NBA. 31 games.

[Alan Hahn]

What? I mean, I'm going with like. Yeah, about 25.

[Don Hahn]

I'll go 22.

[Caller]

You guys are way, way off. 16. The NBA home teams are 16 and 15. The Knick series is one and three. I mean, the Lakers series, one and three. So there's two and six right there. Okay, so the NBA is 1650. Let's go to the NHL. NHL. 30 games have been played. 30 in the NHL.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would say 14.

[Caller]

You think it's 14 and 16.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Caller]

Now where you guys are. Where you are. You're all where you are. Allen, if that's your guess, that's way off the NHL. The home teams are 20 and 10 in 30 games. So he has 66. That was always a pleasure. Thank you, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Watch every playoff game. I just really don't think about like where did he.

[Alan Hahn]

Did he give us a. Aha.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is going to be a staple.

[Alan Hahn]

He was so happy that he got us.

[Don Hahn]

It was. It ended up being an iconic call. I mean he didn't hear a word anyone said. He confused Allen with every other person on the show who's not Alan. He, I mean it was really epic. He was dropping just his confidence that Latrell Sprewell's no brainer better than Bernard King and Havlicek's no doubt better than Jayson Tatum. He just. His matter of factness on everything is.

[Alan Hahn]

Just got his opinions.

[Don Hahn]

He's Richard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. But you know what? I think what Alan and I did, we just looked at the history of how hard it is to win on the road. The NBA, how easy it is in the NHL. But think about it. More. More home teams. One of the NHL playoffs, first round.

[Alan Hahn]

You're going to have the bad teams again. Memphis didn't get it. They have a shot. You had two sweeps. Right? Like think about it. So I wasn't thinking. I just wanted to get through that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

10, 10 road teams have won and three in the Florida Tampa series alone because the home team hasn't won a game. Just one. So three because they're played four. That's crazy. But Richard is even crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

Are we glad?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I admire Alan.

[Don Hahn]

I'm happy I do it again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I admire Allen in the sense that he still thinks he can get a word.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I tried to though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know what? Alan did successfully get a word in. But like an anchor that does hit the surface, it gets dragged. It got to the bottom of the ocean, but it didn't keep the boat from stopping. It just continued to drag the anchor. So Allen got his point in, but he still got. He still got ran over.

[Alan Hahn]

He really doesn't like it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He doesn't care what we have to say.

[Alan Hahn]

It's amazing. It's so ironic that he always says I listen to everything and then he doesn't listen again. I've said makes it so entertaining.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Peter 100% agrees. That is the single reason why he is still single. 100% because there's no way women would just take a relationship in which you wouldn't Hear a word they said he is the worst listener in the history of the world.

[Don Hahn]

And when he does stop to quote, unquote, listen, he doesn't listen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, because he's gone.

[Alan Hahn]

And kid, they wait for you to stop talking so they could talk again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And his MM is not him agreeing with you. His MM is fighting back the words to continue because he can't wait for you to shut up.

[Don Hahn]

I'm told he also steamrolled I'm told he also steamrolled Michael K today as well. Already happened.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know what? If you called one show layoff, you.

[Alan Hahn]

Know, it's got to become a thing. Let's give somebody else a shot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, come on. Let's rethink this whole sports radio thing. Let's go to Chris on Long Island. You're on ESPN New York. He feels for Allen.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, boy.

[Chris]

Hey. Hey, Alan, I just need to let you know, buddy, you need like a hug or something for some of the people that you have to deal with talking like they know ball man. Like, that's crazy. That guy called before and he said precious Achua to be covering Cade Cunningham.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. He's got to be a relative. That's got to be a relative. God bless.

[Chris]

That's like saying, like, why isn't Matt Rempe on a shift with like, against Connor McDavid? He's be covering Connor McDavid because maybe he'll scare Connor McDavid or something. Just. What, What Lack of logic. I also just wanted to make a point. I, I feel like I'm gonna sound like I'm hanging on the rim here, but I'm not. I would have called you, but I just came back from vacation. I was, I said this the entire before the series. The Pistons are no match for the Knicks. I know it's going to be. They're. They're a good team. It's going to be a grueling, you know, game five. It's been a grueling series, but when it comes down to it, who do you lean on? Your veterans. And I think the Pistons have like the ultimate anti hero role players of all time like Hardaway, Paul Reed, Tobias Harris, Dennis Schroeder and Malik Beasley are all like playoff team rejects that have now collected themselves on the Pistons and they piddle themselves every time the pressure comes on because that's what they are. I mean, ask any of those fan bases that used to have those players. I don't think any of them are clamoring for those guys back. There's a reason they all collected in Detroit. And Alan, you nailed it. Bickerstaff, he's not a great coach. Look at the Cavs this year. So much better. This guy's blowing his challenges in the first quarter left and right. He. That's got to be so understated by everyone else. So thanks for everything, guys. You're the best.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks, Chris.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks, Chris.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's just when it comes to bigger step, first of all, they wouldn't be able to challenge. So not having the challenge didn't change the outcome of the game. Not that he could have asked early stuff in the challenge, but two games in a row at home, he's calling a first quarter challenge. And both of them, when you watch the replay quick, you're like, oh, no, no, that wasn't a good idea. And he lost both of them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't. I. It's got to be slam dunk. If it's that, oh, my God, it.

[Alan Hahn]

Has to be no brainer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they are late in the game.

[Alan Hahn]

And you're like taking the swing, right? You can't, you can't burn it in the first quarter. I also think he's been too emotional. Again, I'm there on the court before the game or during the game. First quarter, and I remember first time out, I turned to Mike Breen and I just said, boy, JB is really emotional. Like, he's way too fired up. He's. He's screaming at refs and his team is feeding off of it. And they're at.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the negative, like, in the negative, like, absolutely. If you're inexperienced or you're overhyped, you need your coach to be the exact opposite. A conscious, you know, because they're going to feed off you, man. And it's, it's really. It has not been good.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Ah, it's simple, isn't it? It's just the NFL and it's a binge of all things NFL. And a weekend happened, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know if you're aware, the NFL draft happened over the weekend and Shedor Sanders slid and slid and slid and slid in the NFL draft. And for one, our very own Mel Kuiper Jr. Not happy with what happened with Shador.

[Alan Hahn]

That can happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The NFL has been clueless for 50 years when it comes to evaluating quarterback. Clueless. No idea what they're doing in terms of evaluating quarterback. That's proof. There's proof of that. How many say we know exactly what.

[Don Hahn]

What we're talking about with quarterback?

[Peter Rosenberg]

They don't.

[Don Hahn]

Now Andrew Berry spoke on what the Dion factor could have been in everything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Our personal relationship and interactions with, you know, with Deion. That's really been all positive from our perspective. And I mean that organizationally, not just me and Kevin, but you know, really all of us who have interacted with Deon and you know, the people out in Colorado, you know, we don't typically penalize prospects for, for the parents, you know, so to speak. So I can't say if that was a factor or not for, you know, for other teams, but that wasn't a, that was not a significant factor for us.

[Don Hahn]

Cap, you're not buying that?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, it's, it's, I mean, it's, it'll start coming out, but it's just worst kept secret.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. Everything's coming out.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a worst kept secret. Teams just don't, they did not want the specter of Shador coming into their building and having Deion saying what he's going to say publicly. If his son's not playing if he's not happy with the situation, if the quarterback's not playing well. I really think Deion was a major reason why his son had to go through what he went through. And I think even in the pre draft process some of the, some of the. I think Deion really gave him bad advice and himself handled it completely the wrong way. For a player who should be coming into the league with some humility and some like excitement to be part of the league and a willingness to do whatever it takes to get into the league. And teams looked at him I think as a way of saying you're not that good that you could be that arrogant.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, look no further than the fact that we're hearing that, you know, Deion said that he is going to go to Cleveland with his son and they're going to discuss what the plan is for the Cleveland Brown. Like that's right there where teams are like, I don't want to have to deal with that. We'll, we'll, we'll come up with a plan for him and we'll let you.

[Alan Hahn]

Know, Let your son hat like be his own man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, you're, Did Archie do that when.

[Alan Hahn]

Peyton got in the league, was Archie all over it like that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, well obviously he got involved with him not wanting to go to San Diego. See, that's another. There's so many things Eli and then.

[Alan Hahn]

With Peyton it was the Jets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. But, but, but the thing is is that did Archie get involved with both Peyton? Advice to Peyton and with Eli. Of course that's what fathers do. They give advice to their sons. And certainly Archie got involved with Eli not going to San Diego for sure. But once that was over, I didn't hear that like Archie was on the phone with Ernie of coursey and Tom Coughlin on how they were going to handle him.

[Alan Hahn]

Why is Kurt Warner still stolen?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the difference. And I think that was the problem is that Deon was going to be a problem. Plus you're hearing that he wasn't prepared for certain meetings and embarrassed himself in that way. I'm not going to get into all of the things that were debated in the ridiculousness behind that. Okay. That's a fight that obviously I'm in no position to win. But what I can tell you is the draft is the draft. These people have jobs on the line and their job is to take the best player. The comp that Stephen A made will, it's a Colin Kaepernick. They never gave Colin Kaepernick an Opportunity. Chidor is still going to get an opportunity. He was still drafted. Not in the first round, but he was drafted. And if he's everything he thinks he is, he'll win a job and he'll make everybody eat crow. All right, Colin Kaepernick was never given that opportunity. So there is no question there.

[Alan Hahn]

How is there a parallel between Colin Kaepernick?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ask Stephen A. Smith. Ask some of the ridiculous comparisons. The Denver Broncos trade for him.

[Alan Hahn]

He wouldn't redo his.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was. We got to stop with all the things. The fact is, is general managers are paid to make these decisions, and if they thought he was the right pick, they would make it because it's their job on the line. Their jobs are still on the line for not picking him because if he ends up being great, all the guys that they picked are gonna look foolish. All right. We over evaluated him because of who his father was. He obviously had certain deficiencies or the way he conducted himself with these interviews affected him. If it was racially motivated or was motivated by anything else, those things would have leaked before the draft. It all came out after the fact because it is a fact that he was a bit of a problem. But at the end of the day, he's on a roster. He's got a chance to make the Browns. And believe me, if he plays well, he'll play and he'll make us all eat crow. So he's so. And don't feel bad about the money he lost because his father's rich and he made plenty of money in nil. So the only thing lost here was money. The opportunity is still there for make us all look like idiots. So let's see him do it. And I wish him well, but stop. The stuff, Peter. The stuff that was out there this week just. It's ridiculous. Ridiculous. It was crazy. I get it. And I've never seen Mel Kuiper take it more personal.

[Alan Hahn]

He's so adamant about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

God, man.

[Alan Hahn]

But this was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This was a ridiculous.

[Alan Hahn]

This was a. I'm telling you this because I think I was on the record, right? I'm a huge fan of his talent. I've watched him and all that stuff. Like, there's a lot about him that I like. But what I have learned over this process is Dion refused to let go of his hand. And that was your biggest problem. And I think every team saw that and said, hang on a second, wait a minute. Like, can you only function with dad around? Because that can't happen because Dad's not gonna be around and when things go wrong is like, how are we gonna do this? I'm telling you that this, this kid has got to overcome this somehow, some way. And they've gotta let go. Like, Deion's gotta let go. Let him go be a man. Let him go be the player he has to be.

[Don Hahn]

One thing I know Ryan Clark always talks about is a young player being able to be a leader of men. If they're not really the leader themselves, it's their dad that's later.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Like, you can't go into a locker room and be the guy. 52 other guys. If you're not even the guy at home, you're really still a boy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And. And the whole, you know, they don't like confident players.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's ridiculous.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Abdul Carter has all the confidence in the world. He had the audacity to ask Lawrence Taylor for number 56.

[Alan Hahn]

What are we doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Giants didn't have a problem drafted, but.

[Alan Hahn]

They still took him, right? Yeah, there's. There, There are a lot of holes in some of the conspiracy theories about why he. He, he wasn't drafted. And as I. I'll say it one more time, I was a huge fan of his. I still am a big believer in him, but I'm really. My confidence is shaken. And not his ability to play in this league, but whether or not he'll be able to do it because of, I guess, how he came into the league. He has got to cut the cord, and so does Dion. If this is going to work out and let him go through the trials and tribulations and everything else, let him go through it. This, this is really a troubling, troubling story. It has so many tentacles, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's for sure.

[Don Hahn]

It really does. Now, by the way, Todd McShay said on his show that Shador was not never in play for the Giants.

[Richard]

Shador didn't have a great interview with Brian D. In a private visit, an install package came in preparation. Wasn't there for it. Got called out on it. Didn't like that Brian didn't appreciate him not. Not liking it. I've said this before, and it started at the combine. I shared information that I got that I know if I'm getting it, that information. People that are in this business that are really great at their job and talking to a lot of same people I'm talking to and probably more. I know more. I was surprised it wasn't being talked about that Shador Sanders. I told you, there were two personnel people that I spoke to who were in the room during interviews, which means they were. They're key parts of the organization. Let's leave it at that. Two teams drafting in the top 10 with quarterback needs where the interviews did not go well. Not disrespectful, nothing harsh. Just felt like the phrase I've been using and I think it aptly describes it. We didn't get the sense that she door cared all that much about what we thought of him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now if you go back to I.

[Alan Hahn]

Think that was a front. I think. I think he had a front about him. Again, this is a bad plan. Walking in somewhere and having this, this confidence is air about you of you know, I don't have to do that or you want me. It's not about me wanting you. And where you're picking, I'm not going to get picked. There was a lot of this was a poorly prepared draft process that most agents prepare their players. You go into a process, you know how to talk to teams, you have, they practice it. I think this was so poorly planned that it completely backfired well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And if you're trying to vision what they're saying is if you go back to the hard knocks with the Giants during the off season when he was grilling all the quarterbacks, Dave throwing plays at him, they had the bargain like if that's the stuff that he wasn't ready for, then that you think Dable's doing it any differently than the Remember.

[Alan Hahn]

Again, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Everybody knows the story. When Deion was in his draft year and George Young was the GM of the Giants, he used to give this thick book. He'd give it to a prospect, he'd have him do it and a little test, whatever it is. And Deion was like, what is this? I don't have time for this. I'm not studying this. I'm not taking your test. And George Young was put off by it and he's like, well, where are you picking anyway? 10. Oh, I'll be gone by then. And he was, he was picked fifth by the Falcons. But the whole point is, is that his dad had that attitude in the, in the draft process. And so also it's a bad influence.

[Don Hahn]

If you've just been playing under your dad's offense for the last two teams that you've been on, there's a chance, I would think guys that he's not that well equipped at the moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Pat, Pat Shermer was the offensive coordinator there the last year brought a pro. They Brought him in so he would have him run a pro offense.

[Don Hahn]

So, so then in theory, you're saying he shouldn't have been overwhelmed in these conversations.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's probably not a case of being overwhelmed. It was just. He just didn't feel like he needed to impress them. And if you want to say, well, there were probably some teams he knew weren't going to draft me, so why should I go make the effort? The Giants, certainly, he had to think, were a possible destination. Well, you thought you were the best quarterback in the draft. Ward was going to be gone. They needed a quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So back in that interview, Peter, he shouldn't mind his P's and Q's and if he wasn't prepared, 1.

[Don Hahn]

How many, how many teams also did he let find out that he wasn't interested in going there? Well, that was their time to pick. If they go. If they go to pick in the second or third round and they were already told, well, he wasn't interested in being a first round pick, are they going to consider him as a second round pick?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, is it possible that his list of teams he wanted to place for was so limited that he really cut his options out and the teams he wanted to play for didn't want him? And maybe there were teams that wanted him, but he made it clear, I don't want to play for you. And they're like, okay, if you're not going to play for me, I'm not going to draft you.

[Don Hahn]

I think we can all agree though, it's bizarre, the whole thing sliding as far as he did. And again, I've never been the most impressed by him, but a fifth round I found to be truly shocking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then did you see the reaction from the Browns war room when they did draft them?

[Don Hahn]

That was weird, too.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, so real quick, does he ever start for the Browns or is his first start with another team in the NFL?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, they're going to have to cut somebody, right, Peter? They got five guys in there.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Watson's not going to play this year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

So that's for the Browns or for someone else first?

[Don Hahn]

Well, I'm just trying to go through the math on it because then if they move on from Flacco, he's then competing with still two more.

[Peter Rosenberg]

One of them that was drafted higher than him.

[Don Hahn]

Right. But he can easily. But that person he could beat out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

That one. I think if he goes out and performs better, he could beat that person out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think their intention is if Watson's not going to play this year that Flacco goes in as the starting quarterback. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then you got tiny hands there.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he's going to be getting so.

[Alan Hahn]

Get you through it in the beginning.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He'll be given the chance to win the job. I think. I think he'll, he's such a great starter. I think it'll be with the Browns.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay. All right. We'll see.

[Don Hahn]

Now on that front. Also, the son of Falcons coordinator, this name may be familiar, Jeff Ulbricht admitted to a prank call made to Sanders during the draft and apologized in an Instagram post on Sunday. The Falcon said in a statement that the 21 year old Jax Ulbricht wrote down the number from his father's open iPad while visiting his parents home to later conduct a prank call. Which by the way, you guys talk about your all time, your all time case of sorry doesn't fix the lamp.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, God, no.

[Don Hahn]

It was so premeditated. It was such a premeditated bad guy thing to do that. Then afterwards to immediately apologize like you've seen the error of your ways and not like your dad just said he was gonna kill you.

[Alan Hahn]

No. You're sorry because you got caught.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You're sorry because your plan was so bad that it was easy to trace it to you. That's what you're sorry for. There's no way he's sorry for the laughs that him and his friend had at the expense of somebody in one of their most important days of their lives. And apparently this was. There was several players, several prospects said that they were getting prank called about this stuff. This became a thing now where get his number and prank call and make him think he got drafted and, and then we'll laugh because he doesn't know like this is what we're talking about. This is what we're dealing with. This is a pathetic sign of society that we every now and then have to see the ugly underbelly. And Jeff Ulbricht's son, by the way, whose father makes a career of the NFL, would think that it's fine for me to do something like this, which I think personally is a fireable offense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, because there's two things. There's the raising of his son to do that now I'm in the think that that's okay. But also, how about knowing your son, like if you've done a bad job rearing him, which I think all coaches are in that situation because I'm sure the mom did all the work because you're an NFL coach, right. So you usually don't have time for anything else.

[Alan Hahn]

How could you care about dad doing this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you know your son? Do you know what your son's capable of doing? And do not give him access to your computer. At the end of the day, that is a number that's not supposed to be for everyone. Only 32 teams had it. To be able to get in touch with him, it was a burner phone. So bad job out of him, just not knowing. Read the room, man. If your son's capable of doing that, you should know. And make sure he doesn't have access to the numbers.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Lastly, my commies have a new home. It is official. The Washington commanders are going back to the District of Columbia to the site where the team had its greatest success. Yes, they will play where RFK Stadium, the original. The home from 1961 to 1996, where it still stands. They will be playing in that exact spot. Josh Harrison Company will pay $2.7 billion. The District of Columbia will contribute $500 million. And they will get money from other places. It will end up being about a four billion dollar building in D.C. and they plan to open it in 2030. That will do it for the NFL binge on this Monday, April 28th. Like, dream about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what that means, guys? Another building that'll be better than MetLife.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, did you see the renderings?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't even have to see them here. You could have sketched it on toilet paper and I'd say that'd be better than MetLife.

[Alan Hahn]

Did you say retractable dome? Retractable roof?

[Don Hahn]

Is it retractable?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come on.

[Alan Hahn]

What are we doing?

[Don Hahn]

If it's not a retractable roof, it's a glass ceiling. I don't know if it's retractable.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I don't know. At least we're talking about, though, all weather kind of situation.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, it's all. It's inside.

[Alan Hahn]

Final Four, Super Bowl. Like, this is a smart move. This is what good. This is what smart people do.

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

They're going to do a 30 for 30 on the Shador Sanders story. They're just going to have to and I'm sure more information is going to come out about why he wasn't drafted. And of course, well this is, this.

[Alan Hahn]

Is the Dan Marino thing. You remember that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that was dropping from, you know, what a guy that should have been the first overall pick to 24. We're talking about a guy. Do you remember. The conversation lasted a day three, you know, where we were talking to people in the know that were saying there is a scenario in which he could be there for the Giants for their first pick in the second round. Nobody had fifth round on the table.

[Alan Hahn]

And what do you make of the fact that like again the Giants are a great example because they were the next team that needed a quarterback and the fact that first of all the Browns traded attitude didn't even want it. The Giants went with best player available at three which was the right call and then their first quarterback that they took was Jackson Dart and now we're learning. Peter Schrager said this this morning on get up and he had been. He had heard from people that Dart was Dable's favorite from January, never wavered, loved him, thought he was a perfect fit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You saw his reaction when they picked him.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, oh yeah, he was. He's He's a guy that's in the. In the facility. They have to kick him out of the facility. He's just one of these guys that just lives and breathes it and wants it. And Dable just looks at him as, this is a guy I can work with. I really want to work with this guy. So Dable got his guy if that's the case. And so that means Sanders and Milroe and all the people that they were working on. Remember, right before the draft, that was either all a show or that was just in case. We can't get Dart if somebody, you know, jumps us and we need to be ready. I don't know which one it was, but I do believe that Dart was. Was Dable's favorite from the beginning. And it goes along with what you were saying, Don, about how this draft is now separated Shane with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I believe it has.

[Alan Hahn]

And now Shane has gotten the groceries and now it's up to Dable to take the pieces and turn it into okay, especially the quarterback and make it something that by the end of the year or by the time it's time to think about extensions, is this heading in the right direction? Do we have the right. The right guy at the helm when it comes to taking these parts and the quarterback you wanted and making this now look like a functional franchise that has a chance to win?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I said it on Friday. I really believe that Shane saved his job with a good draft and now Dable's got to coach these players. That's why I think the separation. But Chris Canty disagrees. He was unsportsmanlike today as he is every day from 6 to 10, which you can hear on 1050 ESPN talking about Dable and Shane not safe because of the draft.

[Chris Canty]

Can we please stop with the narrative around the Giants general manager and head coach having job security because they were allowed to draft the quarterback in the first round? It's an organizational talking point that has no basis in reality. The team released a statement days after season's end announcing that the regime will return in 2025, which means there was conversation that they wouldn't be back in 2025. Let's not forget that they were so derelict in their duties last offseason on Hard Knock that no other NFL team would sign up to do it this year. Let's not forget they had a chance to draft Michael Penix Jr. And Bo Nix last year and they didn't, opting instead to draft Jackson Dart this year in a much weaker quarterback class. It may all work out in the end, but the odds are against it this time last year, Matt Eberflus and Gerard Mayall were coaches of teams that drafted first round quarterbacks and both are gone. Frank Reich, Urban Meyer, Matt Nagy, Anthony Lynn, Pat Shermer, Jay Gruden, Hugh Jackson, Todd Bowles, Steve Wilkes were all fired within a year of selecting a first round quarterback. And that's only going back to 2018. Point is for all of the optimism around what the Giants did over the weekend and I do think they had a good draft, that won't be enough for this regime to survive a third consecutive double digit loss season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I think Chris is making the mistake many people are. I don't believe they're attached to them. And so I could see a scenario where John Maurer looks and says, I think Shane did a great job. I think he went and got great players. I think he did a great job during the off season in free agency. And Dable, you didn't coach them up and you didn't get wins with them. I'm keeping Shane, I'm letting Dable go. You can't see that scenario. I certainly. Why should Shane go if he continues that this would be his second consecutive draft in which people perceived it to be a good draft. People believe that this free agent class was a good free agent class. If you've got the talent and Dable can't work with that talent, then why would you let them both go?

[Alan Hahn]

Just let Dable go and then you're finding a new coach and the coach and the. No, I'm saying and the coach, this is his quarterback. So the gm, it's not like you could say, well, you know, you didn't get my guy or you're getting me a guy I didn't want to work with or all that stuff. You got him the quarterback he wanted. They worked together on it. And that's the only reason why you could feel like that they are attached is if Dart is an absolute bust, if he is just somebody, if he's Christian Hackenberg, like, you know, then, then you just, you gotta. Okay, well, you made a bad pick and the coach wanted the wrong player. We gotta just redo this whole thing, we gotta reset. I think for the two of them there is also the important thing of culture and the entire organization looking like they are on solid ground. And I don't know if you've had that in the last year or two. And a lot of it had to do with the Barkley stuff and of course Daniel Jones and the Uncertainty and the Wink Martindale stuff, those things always felt like it was shaky ground. But with their first year, especially Dable, that looked like, hey, adults are in the room. They got a head coach knows what he's doing and they won a playoff game. So they've got to find that again to convince the owner that this is the right group to stick with and the patience should continue.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, this is on the table. The 1-800-919-3776. The Knicks also on the table. Mets off to a 2 nothing lead against the Nationals Yankees in Baltimore to take on the O's. Peter's happy. His commanders are going to be in a new building with a roof that God can see because apparently it's going to be a glass ceiling.

[Alan Hahn]

Glass ceiling.

[Don Hahn]

The sunshine allegiant. It's pretty. It's pretty cool.

[Alan Hahn]

Just like he loves it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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