Hour 2: Let's Talk About It

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – "Hour 2: Let's Talk About It"

Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, (Allen) Don La Greca
Episode Theme: Social dynamics in sports media, sports controversies, everyday life observations, and audience engagement.

Episode Overview

This episode mixes personal banter with deeper discussions about sports culture, social media etiquette among colleagues, high-profile controversies in the NFL, new-age annoyances in digital advertising, and relatable New York City driving moments. The hosts pull from personal experience and current sports headlines to highlight both the trivial and the urgent in the world of sports and society. Listeners are offered a humorous, candid look at how sports personalities navigate public and private interactions, handle scandals, and manage everyday inconveniences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Social Media Etiquette and Validation (00:13–11:04)

The Michael Kay Instagram Tribute Saga

• Alan Hahn discusses a tribute post he made for Michael Kay and wonders about the “proper” response he should expect from Kay.
• Rosenberg and Don debate whether public posts require public gratitude, or whether private acknowledgment suffices.
• The group explores the dual motivations behind such tributes — genuine appreciation versus hoping for validation.
• Hahn sheepishly confesses to directly messaging Kay to check if he’d seen the post. Kay’s brief reply, “I saw it. Lovely.” is dissected at length for tone and adequacy.

Notable Quotes:

• "Can’t both be true? Can’t both be true that you mean it and you want to express it, and you still want the validation back?" – Alan Hahn (02:10)
• "Did you send him a link? Like, 'In case you missed it. I said nice things.'" – Allen (04:49)
• "If you write HBD to me, you’re dead. You didn’t have enough time to write 'Happy Birthday...'” – Alan Hahn (09:51)

Memorable Moment

• The crew clowns Alan for fishing for a response, comparing brief social media replies to the ultimate snub (“HBD”) and mockingly debate deeper meanings in simple replies.
• Allen quips: "You are a gutless puke." (08:32)

Segment Timestamps

• 00:13 – 11:18: Social media tribute etiquette, Kay's reply saga, lamenting dry responses, and mock-serious analysis of digital manners.

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2. NFL Scandal: The Tish/Epstein Allegations (13:20–19:31)

Caller Confronts the NFL's Response

• Caller Dave expresses frustration about the NFL’s handling of scandal involving Tish and Epstein. Hosts affirm the gravity yet stress the need for due process, cautioning against knee-jerk reactions.
• Rosenberg and Allen note that while public outrage is understandable, legal protocols and the league’s own timing (Super Bowl week) dictate that no action can be taken quickly.
• Discussion draws parallels with past sports controversies that fade when major events begin, referencing Ray Lewis’s deer antler spray drama before a Super Bowl.

Notable Quotes:

• "You have people who were protesting Michael Vick... This is a really big thing, and it’s not getting its due in the press." – Caller Dave (13:33)
• "You can’t go to the town square and hang the man just because everybody’s mad." – Allen (14:43)
• "Other than satisfying the general public that wants a stake on a head immediately, why not wait?" – Peter Rosenberg (17:28)

Segment Timestamps

• 13:20 – 19:31: Caller segment and hosts' nuanced discussion of the NFL's legal process regarding scandals close to Super Bowl week.

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3. "Talk About It Tuesday" – Societal Rants & Laughs (20:27–32:56)

a. AI-Driven YouTube Ads and Vulnerability (21:08–27:56)

• Allen vents about the proliferation of AI-generated, predatory YouTube advertisements, particularly their impact on vulnerable groups and the lack of regulation.
• The hosts discuss how these ads manipulate viewers, use urgency and fake reviews, and exploit anxieties.
• Conversations touch on how older people are especially at risk, with Allen describing time spent debunking such commercials for relatives.

Notable Quotes:

• "It’s getting kind of scary...a lot of these companies think we’re stupid... There must be people out there that are that dumb that they fall for this stuff." – Allen (21:19)
• "It’s the wild, wild west in so much of this stuff." – Alan Hahn (24:54)

b. New York Driving Etiquette: The Prayer Hands Wave (27:56–31:33)

• Allen shares a traffic story where another driver uses “prayer hands” and then “heart hands” to ask for and give thanks for lane access, sparking debate over sincerity vs. trying too hard.
• Is this a new standard for politeness, or just over the top?

Notable Quotes:

• "A grown adult man, you know, is very odd." – Alan Hahn (31:06)
• "Only man he’s allowed to do it—and barely—is Justin Bieber." – Peter Rosenberg (31:11)

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4. The Pro Bowl – Should It Even Exist? (33:01–38:08)

• The group collectively trashes the relevance and authenticity of the modern NFL Pro Bowl, mocking the inclusion of unremarkable players and “celebrity” spots.
• Rosenberg compares the Pro Bowl’s dwindling credibility to historic sports arguments ("Phil Housley thing") and laments how future generations may misread what it means to be a “Pro Bowler” due to watered-down rosters.
• Suggestions are floated to replace the Pro Bowl with fan fests or celebrations focused on honoring players, not padded marketing events.

Notable Quotes:

• "If you’re watching this, you need help, quite honestly." – Peter Rosenberg (33:34)
• "You have cheapened the value of being a Pro Bowler because there’s no longer any worthiness to it..." – Allen (38:11)

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5. Rapid-Fire Listener Interactions & Sports Takes (41:45–47:20)

a. Wrestling and Canadian Rock Tangent (41:45–42:44)

• A caller mixes wrestling fantasy bookings (“Jelly Roll” at WrestleMania) and Canadian rock band nostalgia (Triumph, Rush, Zebra), prompting playful music nerdery among the hosts.

b. Ranger Fan Despair & Olympic Hockey (41:48–44:43)

• Disappointment with the Rangers and optimism for Olympic hockey, with the caveat of inconvenient time zones for international tournaments.

c. Jets/Quarterback Chatter: Malik Willis vs. Kyler Murray (44:51–47:20)

• Listener discusses the Jets' quarterback options. Hosts weigh the potential upside and cost of acquiring Kyler Murray or Malik Willis, referencing the wider NFL context and front office confidence.

Notable Quotes:

• "He is what he is. He’ll be a nice stop gap until you can kind of figure it out." – Peter Rosenberg on Kyler Murray (45:35)

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Notable Quotes – All Segments

| Speaker | Quote | Timestamp | |---------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Alan Hahn | "Can’t both be true...that you mean it and you want to express it, and you still want the validation back?" | 02:10 | | Peter Rosenberg | "If you're watching [the Pro Bowl], you need help, quite honestly." | 33:34 | | Allen | "You can't go to the town square and hang the man just because everybody's mad." | 14:43 | | Alan Hahn | "If you write HBD to me, you're dead." | 09:51 | | Allen | "A grown adult man, you know, is very odd [heart hands in traffic]." | 31:06 | | Peter Rosenberg | "Only man he's allowed to do it—and barely—is Justin Bieber." | 31:11 | | Allen | "You have cheapened the value of being a Pro Bowler because there’s no longer any worthiness to it..." | 38:11 |

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Memorable Moments

• Meta Analysis of Social Media: The hosts’ painstaking, mock-therapeutic breakdown of Michael Kay’s minimalist Instagram acknowledgment (00:49–11:18).
• Allen’s Traffic Story: “Prayer hands” and “heart hands” as new maneuvering tools on NYC highways (27:56–31:33).
• Pro Bowl Rant: Leveling the NFL for turning what was a celebration into a transparent cash-and-marketing grab (33:01–38:08).

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Important Timestamps

• 00:13 – 11:18 – Social Media/Tribute Drama
• 13:20 – 19:31 – Tish/Epstein NFL Scandal & Due Process
• 20:27 – 32:56 – “Talk About It Tuesday”: AI Scam Ads & New York Traffic Gestures
• 33:01 – 38:08 – Death of the Pro Bowl
• 41:45 – 44:43 – Callers: Rock Bands, Rangers, Olympic Hockey
• 44:51 – 47:20 – Jets Quarterback Debate

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Tone & Style

• Candid, irreverent, sharp-witted, and hyper-local, balancing personal experience and dry humor with informed sports analysis.
• The hosts maintain a casual, banter-filled atmosphere with regular doses of self-deprecation and audience-inclusive jokes.

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Summary for Listeners

This episode delivers both laughs and insight, moving fluidly between social media meta-commentary, the real-world frustration of waiting for NFL investigations, and everyday annoyances like scam ads or navigating NYC traffic. The hosts take the time to break down not just the headlines, but the everyday etiquette of being both a sports professional and a New Yorker. The result is an hour of both relatable arena talk and sports radio catharsis you’ll appreciate—especially if you ever sent, or obsessed over, the perfect “Happy Birthday” text.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Alan Hahn]

402 in the big city. And we are talking a lot of Knicks right now. We also have to talk about the fact if you're late to the program, you may have missed earlier when Allen Hahn stroked out and had a southern accent.

[Allen]

If he was that bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, understandable. If the Knicks were on, you know, what would that we were like if.

[Allen]

We went from Atlanta to Charlotte, you know, like some type of. I don't. I. I glitched. It happens, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's something. There's a reason why it happened. I just.

[Allen]

And I give you credit, don't you spend an inordinate amount of time in Canada and no, not once did you give like an A boot. You didn't do any of that. No. You stayed strong. State Jersey strong. Very, very proud of you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you weren't even down south to get this accident.

[Allen]

I don't know what happened. I'm. Honestly, I don't know what happened to me. I'm breaking down, boys. I'm. It's happening. It's happening. I'm completely losing it.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, can I ask you guys a question, please?

[Allen]

You just did.

[Alan Hahn]

Can I ask you a second question?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Run.

[Allen]

You just did.

[Alan Hahn]

Tell me how you feel about the fact that. What do you think about when. If someone puts up a post like the. The tribute. I call it no less than a tribute that I made for Michael K yesterday. The one I read it to you guys on the air.

[Allen]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

If one does a post like that, what do you think the obligation is? The person the post is about?

[Allen]

Oh, good Lord. Nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is a very, very good question.

[Allen]

I'm saying nothing.

[Alan Hahn]

No. Alan's gonna give us his holier than thou. You don't do it. That's not why you do it. Blah, blah, blah. Don, let's you and I live in the real world, okay? Talking manners.

[Allen]

But you're telling on yourself. You're telling on yourself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Allen]

By saying this, you're telling on yourself. No.

[Alan Hahn]

Can't both be true. Can't both be true that you mean it and you want to express it and you still want the validation back. Can't both be true.

[Allen]

As a human, but you shouldn't be seeking the validation. Your rights were expressed, but let's keep it moving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the fact the recipient talks this way. So I think that gives the right for Peter to do this, because this is the exact same thing that would happen if Michael paid tribute to him.

[Alan Hahn]

And we know he.

[Allen]

That's a totally different conversation. Am I. Am I saying that he wouldn't be the same way? Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm just saying the fact that he would be that way now gives Peter the right to do it. Thank you now very much. When I got the devil. When I got the devil job, there was a lot of people that tweeted me, you know, congratulating me. And so what I would do is I'd like the post, and I would reach out to the person, if I knew them personally, and say, oh, thank you for the compliment or thank you for the congratulations. So if I were Michael, I'd like the post. And then I would send a personal text saying, that was really nice that you did that. Thank you. That's how I would handle it if I were Michael.

[Alan Hahn]

You're not a comment on the post kind of guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not because I can comment to you personally. Because now what we're doing is we're playing reindeer games in the sense of we're taking our personal relationship, and now we're using the platform to communicate. We don't have to do that. We have each other's phone numbers. You want to go public with the tribute. That's why you use social media. But the thank yous and stuff, that could all be done, you know, behind the scenes. It's. It's. It's not necessary to use the platform to kind of pat each other on the back, you know, so you like the post to acknowledge to the world that you saw it and that you appreciate it, and then you get back to the person privately. That's how I dance now.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know. Let me look here. I don't know if he liked the post. It got a lot of likes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Does he spend a lot of time on Instagram, though? Did he even see it?

[Alan Hahn]

So. So did he even see it? He did like it.

[Allen]

Oh, then he saw it. Did he comment?

[Alan Hahn]

I did not see a comment by.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Him, but he liked.

[Alan Hahn]

He. I just saw now that he liked it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now I'll comment now, in fairness. Go ahead. Today's Tuesday.

[Alan Hahn]

Mm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. That's the day that Michael's in.

[Allen]

Let's talk about it Tuesday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He probably liked it and anticipated seeing you. I suspect you'll probably get a text sometime tonight.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that would be possible, what you're saying. Except I already reached out to him to ask if he'd seen the post.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why?

[Allen]

Why would. Why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's so. That's so.

[Allen]

Like Me like what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like. Me like. Me like.

[Allen]

Did you send him a. Like, did you link him? Like, send the link. Hey, in case you missed it. I said. I said nice things.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Allen]

This is where I feel like that's. I can't. If I wrote.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't link him. I. All I wrote was I said, you missed my beautiful post on Instagram with a question mark.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you text him that?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, direct. And he responded. I saw it. Period. Lovely. Period.

[Allen]

Whoa.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought. Not even exclamation point.

[Allen]

I thought it was. I saw it. And then he hit send.

[Anthony]

Does Michael K. Hate Peter Rosenberg?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Part three. Three.

[Allen]

Yeah. Here we go. Let's fire up another article. Let's feed.

[Alan Hahn]

I saw it. Lovely.

[Allen]

He did say lovely. I said lovely.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know. It's not feel.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Things are.

[Alan Hahn]

It's feeling frosty.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you know what? It's only frosty because you got impatient and couldn't have waited. I think he would have text that to you without you having to reach out. I'm telling you, he probably thought he was going to see you today because he doesn't know the devil's schedule. Probably figure we're all going to be in.

[Allen]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then he realized, all right, I'm not going to see Peter. And then when he got home, probably with a text. Thank you. That was awful nice of you.

[Allen]

You think he's still mad that none of us went to his birthday party and he's just. Now he just can't be nice right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I heard he said something on the air about it, but I never heard what he said.

[Allen]

I didn't hear. I didn't hear anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Anthony, what did he say on the show yesterday?

[Anthony]

I couldn't find it. I heard about this, but I was unable to find.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What did you hear?

[Anthony]

It's a mystery that he was upset that a bunch of people that were invited didn't go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I would be upset too if I invited a bunch of people and they all declined. Yeah, but it was a Sunday.

[Allen]

Mm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would. Not that he knows my schedule, but I. I live far away. I got home, like at 3 o' clock that morning from Ottawa. It was. It was. It was. It was really difficult. And I just come back from a West coast trip.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rick lives way out on Long Island.

[Allen]

Mm.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, hey, Rick is not your business. That's their best friendship.

[Allen]

That.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to hear it. Rick should have been there with bells on the kind of relationship they have. From what we've been told. I wanted to go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It just. It Couldn't work. But I could understand him being away about it. But I think you got to treat each person individually and find out why. I reached out to him, said, sorry, I couldn't make it, but the problem.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's what the problem is. The problem is the collective. So you may have a lot of good reasons that people don't come to a birthday or a celebration, but if the result don in the end is that it's like nobody came, it still ends up feeling like, what the hell?

[Anthony]

We're a very busy radio station.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Well, listen, he should feel. He should feel good about. He should feel. Was he sitting alone at a table every day?

[Allen]

Was he sitting alone at a table looking at a birthday cake with nobody sitting around him?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I am sure there were tons of people that were there. He's got friends. He said it was great over at. Yes. The Yankees. Yeah, it just. Listen, we're spread out pretty far.

[Allen]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I can understand him feeling away that I don't know how many people he invited from the station, but I would. I'd probably be start at, like, what happened. Yeah.

[Allen]

And you'd want to know there's probably some people. Why weren't you there? Yeah, I get it, but I. I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Shouldn'T be lumped in with it, with everybody in the same feeling. Right. I mean, we all had our reasons, and if somebody's reason isn't good, be mad at them for it.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I just hope he had a great birthday. I felt. I actually felt pretty bummed that I couldn't do it. And that's why it meant so much that I tried to put together a truly rousing tribute on Instagram.

[Allen]

You are a gutless puke.

[Alan Hahn]

And all I got was when I saw it. Lovely.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm shocked that you would cast aspersions on people's looks when you're hideous in your own right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What would you ask? What would you want him to say? I mean, you didn't paint a mural. I mean, you're very hip to social media. I'm sure it didn't take a ton of time to do. It was nice that you did it. He said it was nice.

[Alan Hahn]

Can I tell you the truth? Can I tell you the truth?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

As opposed to, like, a text message to someone that says, happy Birthday, or my number one thing that will get you to be dead to me for life. Just writing hbd, as far as I'm concerned, you might as well write smd once you write hpd. You know what I mean?

[Caller/Guest]

You're an idiot. Your Sister smells and she's ugly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did HBD say what you. I think you said?

[Allen]

Yeah, he did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's good for you.

[Alan Hahn]

These are letters.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know they're letters, but. But, but again, our audience isn't stupid. They could figure out what you said.

[Alan Hahn]

I just think hbd, when I say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ema, there is some mystery to it.

[Allen]

No, there isn't.

[Alan Hahn]

Ema, when there's not a lot of mystery, you can figure it out quick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot more mystery than yours. But.

[Alan Hahn]

But I think what you're supposed to do is just blow past it then. No pun intended. Now, I'll just say this, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

And if you write HPD to me, you're dead. You didn't have enough time to write Happy birthday. Text message makes it pretty easy. No one's asking you to make a phone call. You're just shooting a text. You can't write out the words happy and birthday. I got no time for you. But I will say this. My tribute. You asked. Finding the pictures and actually compiling the right thing. No, not no. BS. Took me 30, 40 minutes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Alright, well, that's not nothing. That's. But I. He may not know that. He may not realize that now.

[Alan Hahn]

If someone did a tribute to you, I think my response, rather than I saw it, lovely, would be something like, wow, Don, I saw what you did. That was so, so thoughtful. I really appreciate it. Something like, to that extent, I might even.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know this irritates people because this is a part of my personality that I know rubs people the wrong way. I'm a caller. I might. I might.

[Alan Hahn]

You might call. You might call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I know that bothers some people because we live in a text world and there's. Sometimes I'm in the car and I'll just. It's easier to call and I can tell I annoy people when I do that. I respect it, though, but I think I might have reached out and called and said, thank. That was really nice. You. Peter, you didn't have to do that.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what, Don? It didn't happen. But you're welcome. And guess what? Now you got me thinking about it. Come. The big five, nine right around the corner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, five eights around the corner.

[Alan Hahn]

Five eight, around the corner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm 57 right now on the 13th.

[Alan Hahn]

You'll be 53 on Saturday. Wow. We're officially there, Don, you're 57. You'll be 53 on Saturday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're right there.

[Allen]

57.

[Caller/Guest]

I'll be 53 next Saturday. Wow, a Spanish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are we. We might be There, like that. We're almost to the exact moment, Right?

[Allen]

What was the context of that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That.

[Alan Hahn]

It's called a stroke.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We've had it. Peter's got his. Your penalties. A helmet. You just broke out into a southern accident.

[Allen]

He was that bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if I've got. Do I have a stroke out moment in drop.

[Caller/Guest]

Oh, he's played seven double headers this year. Don and Peter. That's 14 games. What do you think their record is?

[Peter Rosenberg]

6 and 1. But there was logic to that. I was going by the actual.

[Alan Hahn]

No, we get it by 4:12.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, 20. No.

[Allen]

This is old man Radio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's my list today on cinco de Mayo, the 5th of February.

[Anthony]

I have a stroke page, if you're interested.

[Allen]

You have a stroke page of stroke. That's not something you should really reveal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's a very private thing, too.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. It's bookmarked on his. On his iPad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We should have. We should have a stroke bracket now.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, God.

[Allen]

I think have a stroke bracket that Anthony. That's a drop for Anthony.

[Caller/Guest]

Please stay safe, everybody. Stay indoors. Be very wash. Handy.

[Alan Hahn]

I. I thought. Don, I always thought the stroke bracket was. When we played Gigi drops on the show.

[Allen]

That was easy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, wait, you're really feeling it now, aren't you? Oh, boy. See, guys, gave you a little taste, and now you're down on the whole thing.

[Allen]

Oh, my God, it's gotten worse.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Alan Hahn]

Phone call. Take. Going to take a phone call.

[Allen]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's go to. Okay, let's. Let's switch. You know what? Let's switch things up altogether. Let's go to Dave in the car.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, Dave.

[Alan Hahn]

Dave wants to talk some tish. What do you got, Dave?

[Dave]

Guys, thanks for having me on, and I apologize for yelling in. The guys here wanted to ask the.

[Allen]

Question to you guys.

[Eiton]

I'm a little bit.

[Dave]

Or should I say, I'm very aggravated by the NFL with this tish information. Now, I know there has to be an investigation, right? But, you know, from what I've read, you know, when you're dealing with this Epstein person, you know, you're dealing with someone who's peddling the flesh, okay? And kids go to football games. Kids buy the memorabilia. Kids buy the jerseys. Families attend games, for God's sakes. You have people who were protesting Michael Vic saying he should be put in jail and never be allowed to play football and protesting his stadiums. This is a really big thing, and it's not getting its due in the press.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are Your thoughts?

[Allen]

You have family, men.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You have kids.

[Allen]

First of all, it's getting plenty of due in the press. I think we were the first show to talk about it. Second of all, the league legally can't say or do anything until they do their own investigation and until any other legal processes happens. And this is simply. It's an email. There's correspondence. Now. We've got to figure out what happened from there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Allen]

And whether they can get any more information about it. This is. This is what happens now. And we got to be careful. As salacious as this sounds looks, and we all know what it's about, so I'm not trying to say there's nothing wrong. We know there's something wrong. But keep in mind, we can't go to the town square and hang the man just because everybody's mad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I.

[Allen]

You got to give it a process.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I think that, you know, there are people that are outraged by this, but there is due process, all right? And the NFL, it sounds like they're kicking the can down the road because they got a Super bowl and everything else.

[Allen]

Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You want them to do, first of all.

[Allen]

And there's. There could be more done. So you can't. You can't act here. And now it's like, wait, there's more. Now we got to just trust me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's going to play itself out, all right? Everybody wants things to be done immediately, right away.

[Allen]

Right. All right. Tar and federal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's nothing wrong with taking the time to do due diligence on both sides. All right? Right. Now, based on his response that there was obviously adult women involved and that he knew Epstein five years after he was a registered sex offender. That's what we know.

[Allen]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That he had a relationship with him. A relationship with him after we already known it was public that he was a sex offender and it involved adult women. We don't know if he paid for those women. We don't know if it's prostitution. We don't know. So it's worth finding out that. So if you just based off of what we know now, yeah, maybe you could suspend them off of that. But then what do you do a month from now, if we find out it's even worse than that or we find that it's only that? But, like, what is so wrong with waiting and seeing how it plays out? Plus, he may not be the only owner involved, so why not wait till we get as much information as possible and they can all be dealt with collectively? There's nothing wrong with waiting. It out to see the process and to sit there and people. That people aren't outraged. Clearly you're outraged. You called, we talked about it. But I'm sorry, there is a due process in this world. He is due that due process. And there's nothing legally the NFL could do. You can't make somebody sell their team based off of that information.

[Alan Hahn]

Emails is not enough. They would need more than that. Now is there enough. Could there be enough in the emails to lead to a full on investigation including interviews, conversations and then if they are to find out that Tish had been using Epstein to rendezvous with different escorts and things of that nature, could that then be enough for that? Yeah, we'll see if it warrants an investigation. That would be key.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Other than satisfying the general public that wants a stake on a head immediately. Why not wait? Why not wait till you get as much information as possible? The Epstein file stuff is trickling out like. Like, like a leaky faucet. All right. At some point, I would guess everything is going to come out, more information is going to come out and you'll deal with it. At some point they're gonna have to go based on what they have and the owners all have to agree. Roger Cattell just can't force him to sell the team. The owners all have to vote on that.

[Allen]

That.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, Any of the voters. Are any of the owners gonna vote on that if they might think that their name might be leaked out in a couple of weeks or somebody. They know that or somebody involved in their organization. So there's nothing wrong with waiting.

[Allen]

And like you said at the very beginning, Don, there's the biggest game of the year that is six days away or five days away.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is.

[Allen]

That's why you talk on Monday. So that by Thursday we're not in, we're not dealing with it. Doesn't mean they won't. But this is not the time for the league to deal with it when there really isn't anything more you can do other than. All right, well, we got to put some time into this now, don't we? And that also would be led by owners. There'd be. There's got to be some committee within the owners that comes up with the plan of this is how we're going to attack this. It's dicey situation among billionaires and we know how they all are with each other. So yes, outrage, yes. Talk about it. Yes, we've done all that. But action, you know that's going to take a while.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But to say there is, there's outrage, but.

[Allen]

Oh, there's absolutely outrage.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But let's also be fair to most people. They're outraged. And then that ball is going to kick off on Sunday. Just like the the, the deer antler spray before the Ravens Super Bowl. Remember with, with Ray Lewis? Yep, that was a big deal. That dominated. Remember, Peter, that dominated Radio Row until kickoff and then it was all about.

[Alan Hahn]

That, by the way.

[Allen]

See?

[Alan Hahn]

Totally forgot.

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[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Sometimes you just can't take it anymore. This is let's Talk About It Tuesday and it's a really idiot with Don.

[Alan Hahn]

Hahn and Rosenberg upsetting moment to relive Ed when I lost my mind. But that day is not today. Feeling better about things at this moment and it's time for Talk About It Tuesday on this Tuesday, February 3rd, Super bowl week. You know, there's no talk about it like a Super bowl talk about it. And with that, I pass the rock to my good friend Alan Hahn. Alan.

[Allen]

Well, I have two because one of them is today and the other one was the one I forgot last week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, okay. Yes.

[Allen]

Which one would you want first?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's go in order. The one you forgot last week.

[Allen]

Okay. The one I forgot last week was let's talk about how much now that we're on YouTube and everybody that is watching us, we appreciate all of you guys and especially all you crazies in the chat. It's always so much fun to follow it. Although have not been able to do it today or recently. But I consume a lot of YouTube and I don't know if you've noticed how much both of you consume YouTube or not. Have you noticed though there's ads, of course. The ads have become more and more AI driven and it's getting kind of scary because not that I'm gullible, like I watch it right away. You're like that's AI. This is ridiculous. It's the fact that a lot of these companies think we're stupid, which tells me that there must be people out there that are that dumb that they fall for this stuff. Have you seen these commercials where it's a fake human in a fake world, but it looks very real and they're talking to you. They come in with like the, the shocking statement or question about whatever it is that's happening in your life that you need their product for. Then they create a struggle, something painful, something hurtful that happened that caused us to make this product. Or this person who was a NASA physicist or a Yale honors student that came up with this amazing technology and the government doesn't want you to know about, sells you stuff like this. Then it tells you we got to sell them as fast as we can before they find out. So they give you the urgency. Then they say, we want you to have it, so we're going to give you this deal. Then they create fake reviews of the product with fake people. And then at the very end they tell you it has to happen. Now click here QR code, which is also dangerous folks and many other things that by the end of the commercial there's so much anxiety. Like you watch these and it's like, are people really. And I, So I worry, number one, I worry about like my in laws. My father watched a lot of YouTube and as many times I have to tell him, like, no, no, no, that's not real. Like that, that's not real. What they're saying is made up. That's not real. Like that's not happening. Bomb, cyclone, that's real. And that's, that's a scary name for something that is basically a, you know, a winter storm. But if they use those terms, but there's some other things that are said and they use this, the government doesn't want you to know. And if you're, if you're not, if you're in New York state and you pay this and you know they're taking money out of your pocket, whatever it is, it creates anxiety in people. You don't, we don't need that. We don't need it. There's enough anxiety in the world to do this to people who might be a little gullible. So I've been watching these and a lot of times it's skip. You just want to skip through it, but sometimes you just wait through the however many seconds because you just don't want so many commercials coming up. And so sometimes you have to sit through them. And it's scary to me how many of these now are starting to become commonplace and they all follow the same script. If you've seen it, like, if you know, you know. But I'm just saying it's something, to me, I needed to get out because I don't know how many people realize that it's all fake and the products probably a scam. And so it's just. I can't believe YouTube doesn't have any regulations about these commercials where they say, like, no, no, you can't. You can't do that. You can't create fake reviews and put them in your commercial. You can't put a QR code up that sends you somewhere that you probably don't want to go. It's so bizarre, but yet there's no. There's no regulation on it.

[Alan Hahn]

It's the wild, wild west in so much of this stuff. It's the worst. And to your point, Alan, you got older folks, and if those older folks happen to be, like, maybe on their own, alone kids around to sort of. They can start getting caught up in really watching a lot of things and taking them as facts that are not.

[Allen]

That are not. They're not real. They're not real. Like, they create a news background with a news desk and a guy in a suit and a tie who looks like somebody that would be a news anchor telling you something that is not. Is not factually correct at all. And that, you know. Then you look closely and you realize, okay, a little blurry in the background, and the guy's tie doesn't really go up to the collar. Like, nothing makes sense there. Like, nothing's real. And then when he turns his head, he has three eyes, like. Like little things that you watch and you go, wait, no, no, that's not real. That's not a real person. But it looks so real that it is creating, I think, in some people, a lot of confusion, a lot of anxiety, and it's only adding to what we don't need in our world, which is stuff like that. So again, I saw it so many times. I said, I want to talk about this with the guys. I can tell neither one of you know what I'm talking about, so I don't fully know.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't. I don't. I don't fully know the ads.

[Allen]

I'm sure the guys in the chat probably watching on YouTube know what I'm talking about.

[Alan Hahn]

I guess I hit skip really fast.

[Allen]

Yeah, but eventually you got to watch a whole Commercial. Like eventually you're gonna get to that point. We don't have a choice.

[Alan Hahn]

You mean if you're watching something that's extended for long enough?

[Allen]

Oh, yeah, yeah. A documentary or whatever it is you're watching. Like you're going to have to eventually watch through a commercial. Like I watch a lot of post game interview, post game stuff like, you know, NBA. And so because some of the post get a coach at the podium is, you know, 10 minutes, you know, sometimes you're going to have to sit through at least one full run of commercials. So there's, there's some problems. I don't want to name them, but there's some products where I'm like, this again, like, like it's not real. Like none of that's real.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, have you actually done the work to know that these things are actually legit or you can just tell?

[Allen]

Well, A, you can tell, but B, yes, I have, I have actually done some research to just say like, what is this? And then it'll tell you. And that there's actually. I looked this up and I have it on my page here. A typical AI commercial script structure that you follow and it tells you this is what you follow. How you make these types of commercials on YouTube, so these even demos on how to do this.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what, you know what it's making me think, Alan?

[Allen]

What?

[Alan Hahn]

I've actually been having this thought recently, George Orwell, that of course, but like I'm. I'm at the point where of all the money I spend, I'm starting to think that YouTube Premium may be. Be a worthwhile expenditure.

[Allen]

Yeah. I think you still have to watch commercials there though. Not at all. Dead.

[Alan Hahn]

Dead.

[Allen]

That would be, that would be a beautiful existence.

[Alan Hahn]

But, but anyway, you act like it's not possible. I think it's 1999. I'm not saying that's not real money, but I mean it is. It's out there for you.

[Allen]

Yeah, no, look, but that's one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So.

[Allen]

All right. I had to get that off my chest because I forgot about it last two. The other one is a little more of a, of a happier thing because we all sit in traffic, we all deal with this. We've talked about this many times before, our behaviors as humans. In traffic. Something happened today that for the first time I was like, that was awesome. So there's construction on the LIE in Queens over by LeFrack City. And so everybody's maneuvering around it, trying to take Okie dokes, all that stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stuff.

[Allen]

So when we do that we're all jammed into this, you know, bottleneck. And then there's people that are just grass passing and using lanes that aren't supposed to be lanes, whatever it is. So there was a. There was one person that cut me off or tried to. And, you know, you're. Now you're fighting them, and he's giving wave and whatever, so he moves on. So another van pulls up, and they realize they're in a lane that's about to end. And before he noses in, which is what we do here in New York, he opens his window and he puts out prayer hands out the window.

[Alan Hahn]

How did he do that?

[Allen]

Literally took his hands off the wheel and put prayer hands out the window towards me as if to say please. So I obliged. And then once he got in the lane, he opened his window again and he did. Waved a hard hand.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, all right.

[Allen]

And he did that.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's too much. It's too much.

[Allen]

And I was like, that's different. I thought that was kind of nice.

[Alan Hahn]

I, I think, I think a wave would have done. Done the trick.

[Allen]

Oh, wave would have been great. Thumbs up would have been great. Any of that stuff would have been great. Hard hands, that was extra.

[Alan Hahn]

How old is this guy?

[Allen]

He looked to be, like, in his probably late 20s, early 30s, youngish.

[Alan Hahn]

Heart hands.

[Allen]

Yeah. So how do we feel about the prayer hands? Heart hands rather than the wave? Like, can I come in? And then the, Then the hand up. Thank you. How do we feel about this? Is this, like the new age thing? I gotta admit, the heart thing kind of made me laugh. So it was worth it. I let him cut.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought it was trying too hard, bro.

[Allen]

You think that's trying too hard?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The hand represents everything he was trying to do except he was trying too hard. Just put the hand up or a thumbs up. Some kind of acknowledgment, like, I'm appreciative now. We got to bring God into it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Like, you can't pray to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not bad.

[Allen]

Well, I think it's more of a please. Like, please.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Allen]

And I was like, ah, you know, go ahead. You said please. Go for, for please. And then.

[Alan Hahn]

I, I, I, I, I. A grown adult man, you know, is very odd.

[Allen]

He took his hands off the. Both hands off the wheel twice.

[Alan Hahn]

But I don't, like, that's the problem. Why did both.

[Allen]

Well, we weren't doing 55. We were crawling at like five miles an hour. So it wasn't that. You know, we're by Woodhaven Boulevard. It's not like we're moving, but it was just. I thought it was funny. It just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. The only man he's allowed to do it and barely is Justin Bieber.

[Alan Hahn]

I, I think Bieber.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And I think even he would say, you know what, I quit that about four years ago.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. That's not just my daughter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My eight year old daughter does.

[Allen]

I understand. All right, so, so, all right, so we're out on that. We don't like that. I found it to be. It made me smile and not a lot of things. When you sit in traffic makes you smile. That made me smile.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, Justin Bieber is 31. He's not. He's not giving you the heart and hands.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. And it might have been four or five years since he did it.

[Allen]

Is he aging backwards? Yeah, he's feels like he's been in his 20s for 20 years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Benjamin Button.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I mean for me, 31 seems right. I mean, he got famous at literally 13.

[Allen]

Yeah, I know. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Time's going by too quickly.

[Allen]

Well, that's all I got, boys. Sorry, I thought one of them had to move you. Neither one did.

[Alan Hahn]

So, I mean, I've got one.

[Allen]

No, no, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is about.

[Allen]

I'm blaming myself. I'm pointing the thumb.

[Alan Hahn]

I enjoyed them both.

[Allen]

I thought. I had two ideas. I thought, you know.

[Alan Hahn]

And they both flamed out is what you're saying.

[Allen]

They both just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not gonna say that. I just. The AI kind of just disturbed me and I, I was.

[Allen]

That is disturbing, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I wasn't. There's something, there's something that happens to me during commercial breaks, whether it's on the tablet, if I'm forced to watch them during sporting events. Because if I DVR something, I'm going to skip through the commercials.

[Allen]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where I completely zone out and don't notice anything during a commercial. Nancy will say to me, wasn't that funny? I was like, I was staring at it. I don't even know what. My brain won't accept commercials anymore. So I might have seen these AI things and I think my mind just completely erased it or didn't acknowledge its existence immediately.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I think that's a gift from God.

[Allen]

That is a great thing to be able to do that. A great thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now my, my, my little gripe. And it's on ESPN tonight is the Pro Bowl.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it always gets a, you know, relatively speaking, gets. It gets a really good number compared to the other All Star games in professional sports. Eight million people watch it. But the last football game, 50 million people watch it, so it's still not great. I mean, Shador Sanders is in the Pro Bowl. Joe Flacco is in the Pro Bowl. And according to Ian Rapaport, they asked Justin Fields if he'd like to play. I mean, what are we doing? What are we doing?

[Allen]

And he said no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know what kind of money it makes. I'm sure it's a way to schmooze sponsors, come out, see some of the stars, play golf with them, whatever. But for a football fan, if you're watching this, you need help, quite honestly. And I know it's going to be on espn, I apologize, but it's not their fault. They're going to air it because when they signed the contract, they probably figured, yeah, it'd be good to get Pro Bowlers playing. No offense to your guy. Allen Chadur Sanders is not a Pro bowler. Joe Flacco's 42. He's not a Pro Bowler. You asked Justin Fields to play. Come on, man. At what point do you just take the knee? You're the NFL. How much more money do you need? Send all the sponsors to Hawaii on a massive golf trip. Do them a favor. Don't send them to the Pro Bowl. If they want to buy into the league, they shouldn't be sending them to the Pro Bowl. Send them to the Super Bowl. Come on. It's.

[Allen]

You know what, though? You know what's happened? The Pro bowl, which is not a shock, went from being a celebration of players to a way for the league to use the players, as you said, as a marketing tool and the weekend as a marketing tool to attract more money. But instead of it being, hey, we're going to put you, we're going to go to Hawaii, take your families, take all you want, we're going to cover it all. We're going to put you up in hotels. We're going to make it a wonderful experience for the players and make this about the players and their families, and we'll play a game. And somewhere along the way, it became, how can we turn this into a way to make money? Well, we can't have it in Hawaii. It's too. You can't do it there. Logistically, doesn't make sense. So let's do it in Vegas and turn it into this. And then nobody wanted to play the game anymore. So then I honestly, I think they took away from what was for a celebration of the players. It's no longer that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I don't know how you're making money by sending below average players to the Pro Bowl.

[Allen]

Oh, it doesn't matter. They're NFL players. You've done, you have seen, we've entertained, you know, people that it doesn't matter who it is. A professional athlete is a professional athlete and they'll go gaga over them. It doesn't matter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it. Nobody's gonna do the work, unfortunately. But I've stopped using it as an argument. But it still comes up like the Phil Housley thing.

[Allen]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He went to one All Star Game because you're able to go to hockey reference.com and you could see that in whatever year Phil Housley went to an All Star game, a hundred years from now, people are going to debate and they're going to look and go, shador Sanders went to the Pro Bowl. Nobody's going to do the work to see why. You know, if Justin Fields accepted and good on him. Not going to. Right, right. But like Justin Fields be a Pro Bowler. I mean, don't you bastardize the whole idea. If you want to have a celebration of football and do something wacky and invite players, but don't call it the Pro Bowl. Go to celebration of football and come.

[Alan Hahn]

You can't, you can't get to the point where you're literally asking Shador Sanders, Kyler Murray, Justin Fields. It's at that point. I don't know what you do, guys, but you can't do it. You have no quarterback, permanent quarterback. Use a, use the jugs machine. You cannot have quarterbacks who weren't even on this side of good to be at a Pro Bowl. It's insanity.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, because if you want to celebrate the game like you said, Alan, like, you know, do what they're, what they do with the, the fan fest thing that Peter and we got involved in last year, the convention over at the Javits Center super bowl, like, just we're invite a bunch of former players, current players, sign autographs. They'll. They'll do some things, instructional stuff for kids or whatever, celebrate the game, but don't call it the Pro Bowl. Don't pass it off as the best of the best gathering to celebrate the game.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Allen]

That's got to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because we know they're not now, but 25 years from now, you know, isn't it going to kind of get lost and be like, oh, look, this guy was a Pro Bowler. This. Because we do argue that.

[Allen]

Right, Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many times did Eli go to the Pro Bowl? We're debating whether somebody should go to the hall of fame. Well, they were a 12 time Pro Bowler.

[Allen]

Yeah, it doesn't. I think you've cheapened the idea of what a pro. Now All Pro is the only thing that matters, right? All Pro matters more than Pro Bowl. But that's. I don't know if the league understands that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think people don't. No, they don't.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think the average fan gets it.

[Allen]

I think you're right. But that's a part of the problem that I'm wondering, will anybody. I guess Goodell's availability is up, but that would have been a question to ask. At some point somebody should ask Goodell, do you think that you have cheapened the value of being a Pro Bowler because there's no longer any worthiness to it? If you're inviting players who really aren't, haven't had seasons that are worthy of being a Pro Bowler, it's technically an All Star. Well, you weren't good enough to be an All Star this year, but we needed a body. So we asked you to come out like, look, name your Pro bowl team, but then say, well, he can't make it. So other players are going to come, but they're not really Pro Bowlers.

[Alan Hahn]

That's always been my feeling. You can't say that they're Pro bowl.

[Allen]

Just name the team, but don't necessarily have the team play anything.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know rush, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Hell, sure, Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was just Enjoying it. I'm sorry, we didn't hear a bto.

[Alan Hahn]

You wanted to hear bto.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm just saying you didn't hear bto. Bto, Rush, Triumph. These are all the big. The big guns of the Canadian rock and roll world.

[Allen]

I remember Triumph.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Triumph is awesome. Another three piece band.

[Allen]

I do remember.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who's the.

[Alan Hahn]

What's the biggest song by Triumph?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, they got a bunch. You ever hear Fight the Good Fight? Magic Power, Lay it on the Line.

[Alan Hahn]

None of the names are hitting me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just a really good hard rock band from, you know, the early 80s, got a little play on MTV.

[Alan Hahn]

Their highest charting US hit is Somebody's Out There.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Some out There. Yeah. That was a little bit later on in the 80s. I wouldn't expect you to know Triumph.

[Allen]

Not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not quite. Zebra like it a little. A little bigger than Zebra.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't know if I know Zebra.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you. I don't know. You weren't on the. Alan and I got into a discussion about Zebra because they were a Long island band.

[Allen]

Yeah. And now I went down. I. I went down that rabbit hole, Donnie, and I was just playing all the songs from there, man. It was glorious.

[Alan Hahn]

You really found your bag with that zebra, huh?

[Allen]

Listen for a moment. Then the next time he came around, I'm like, all right, I'm good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you're right.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, speaking of. Speaking of Triumph and Zebra, let's talk to the people on the phones. 1-800-919-3776. A lot of people been holding for a while, including Drake and Poughkeepsie, who's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Been a hold forever.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Drake.

[Drake]

Hey, guys. After Don's kind of low take on the Olympic hockey coming up, I was hoping that y' all could help me find some silver linings as a depressed Rangers fan. But before that, since Peter mentioned Jelly Roll earlier, I think the Grammys was a huge missed opportunity to build the tag team of our dreams. Do you know who I'm talking about, Peter?

[Alan Hahn]

Jelly Roll and.

[Drake]

Oh, wouldn't it be great versus the new day at WrestleMania.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Could you pick?

[Alan Hahn]

That would be fun.

[Drake]

I'll tell you what, if you can make that happen. And in the meanwhile, I'll take your hockey takes and see if there's any. Anything that y' all are looking forward to that I might be able to enjoy a little hockey this year since the Rangers season is toast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Olympic hockey, if you don't mind staying up late. It's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be fun. I'm gonna be in, too. I just get frustrated because I'm also an NHL fan and I don't like, you know, pausing the season for three weeks for games are going to be at, you know, after midnight and hearing things like, oh, well, you know, don't worry, guys, he'll be back in time to play for Team usa. Or speculation that, oh, maybe Jack Hughes could play tonight, but he's not going to play because he wants to be rested for us. Stop it. Come on. He wants to play tonight, he just can't. But it stirs up this conversation, which frustrates me. But that's why I called myself that guy last Thursday. Because once they drop the puck for real, I'm going to be totally in. Because international hockey is amazing.

[Allen]

Well done. The games are going to be going on while we're on the air. You're going to. You're going to be so distracted because during our show there'll be games live that you'll be watching, which I don't mind that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just that it's not.

[Allen]

I want you locked in. I want you focused.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I could do two things at once, but it's not really putting the best NHL foot forward. You know, if you've got games in the middle of the night, in the middle of the afternoon, you know, like I said, when it was in Salt Lake City, when it was in Vancouver and the games were in prime time, and then you're really selling the sport. That's why the four nations work so well. Like 8,9 million people were watching the championship game because it was right there in prime time. Now I do think if you get USA, Canada on a Sunday and that airs at 3 o' clock in the afternoon, that'll be good for the league next Thursday.

[Anthony]

Latvia. US 310.

[Allen]

We'll be locked in Latvia.

[Anthony]

Peter will be hosting.

[Allen]

Love it.

[Alan Hahn]

Like you dream about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. Who is the big Latvian? Was it Archer Zerbe?

[Allen]

Yeah, that's one. But they have a couple of goalies now. That's the one thing is a land of goalies. Latvia.

[Anthony]

I remember Gurgenson's because they once they beat Canada, they put him in the All Star game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but we'll be in. Even Peter will be a little sneak a peek.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, sure, I'm interested.

[Allen]

Peter likes to sneak a peek.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not Crosby will be sitting there and you know, he's Mr. Canada.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right. I love being Canadian.

[Allen]

You are Canadian.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's go to. Let's go to Eiton in Valley Stream. Hey, Ton.

[Eiton]

Hey, how you doing, fellas? I was just Gonna call about, you know, how Bart has almost converted me because I was really wanting the judge to go after Malik Willis, but after looking at Kyler Murray's numbers and I had no idea he threw for almost 4,000 yards four times. And I remember years ago he destroyed the Giants. So I was like, you know what? I think Bart might have converted me. I still like Malik Willis, but he might have converted me to Kyler Murray.

[Allen]

If he's healthy, who will be cheaper? And if he's healthy is always the biggest question with Murray. But you know, who will cost more? Because again, I don't know what you're doing with Justin Fields, but you do have him on the hook one more year.

[Alan Hahn]

Kyler's got to cost more.

[Allen]

Well, no, not if he's waived. Not if he's not cut him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what you know. But here's the deal with him. You could win games with him. You could have some fun with him like you had with Fitzmagic. Don't expect he's your future franchise quarterback. He is what he is. Yeah, he'll be a nice stop gap until you can kind of figure it out. He's not awful, but he's not all of a sudden going to become your guy. He's not going to be Baker Mayfield, I don't think.

[Allen]

Yeah, Baker.

[Alan Hahn]

What?

[Allen]

I like Baker is a guy, though.

[Alan Hahn]

I. I just like that Malik Willis potentially has a ceiling that you haven't seen yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the. If you get Malik Willis, you can maybe sell your fan base that we might have found our guy. I don't think you do that with Murray.

[Alan Hahn]

You can't. Well, we've seen enough.

[Allen]

No, you still got to find your quarterback of the future, and you're just kind of waiting to find. I don't know if it's going to be in the draft, guys. I don't. I think you're hoping that somewhere along the way you just keep trying different quarterbacks until you find your Sam Darnold. Isn't that. Think about it. What did Seattle do after Russ? They just kind of bounced, you know, like the Gino almost right away, right? Like they. They weren't, you know, oh, well, we got a tank now and draft the court, right? It didn't work out that way. You just kind of find guys that can get you there. Until you find the one, it cannot be.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what the difference is?

[Allen]

What is that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Seattle.

[Alan Hahn]

Seattle.

[Allen]

John Schneider knows what he's doing.

[Alan Hahn]

It's just. It's built in. It's in the water.

[Allen]

I still want to believe that Darren Mujee knows what he's doing. I have. I have no reason to think he doesn't. I need him to prove to me that he's also part of the problem, but I haven't seen that yet.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to know how the.

[Allen]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good.

[Don Hahn]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.