Hour 2: Let's Talk About It & Rickleball

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: "Let's Talk About It & Rickleball"

Date: February 10, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Michael Eaves (filling in), Peter Rosenberg
Podcast: ESPN New York – Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

Hour 2 of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" show is a lively, freewheeling blend of sports, classic rock, nostalgia, and inside radio shop-talk. This hour sees the team debating what makes a truly great/influential rock song, fielding passionate listener calls, reflecting on the decline of print sports journalism, and launching into a spirited on-air grievance about workplace recognition surrounding the network's "Rickleball" event. The tone is jocular, irreverent, and honest, with the hosts riffing off nostalgia, musical tastes, and workplace slights—all while keeping things quintessentially New York.

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Key Discussion Points

1. NBA Fights & the All-Star Dog Days (00:08–06:27)

• NBA Midseason Tension: The guys riff on increasing NBA player fights as teams crawl toward the All-Star break, referencing two altercations from the previous night's games.

  Peter Rosenberg [01:34]: “You’re at that point of the year, you get into January, it’s the dog days ... coaches are on you ... you get sick of it. ... This is typical every year.”

• Old School NBA vs. Today: Anecdotes about classic NBA brawls (Willis Reed, Kermit Washington), contextualizing today’s fights compared to a rougher era.
• Detroit Pistons’ "Bad Boys" Vibe: The crew notes Detroit's physical style may soon draw more scrutiny from refs, risking their competitive edge.

2. What are the Greatest and Most Influential Rock Songs? (06:27–22:01; resumes at 46:20)

Listener Calls & Debates

• Criteria: Influence vs. Popularity vs. “Life”

  • Callers and hosts discuss the difference between a song’s influence, its commercial appeal, and its lasting cultural significance (“does the song have legs?”).
  • Alan, Peter, and Michael rib each other about generational bias.

• Notable Submissions & Commentary:

  • Modern Era:

    Caller Joe [07:03]: “Seven Nation Army by the White Stripes. ... talk about a song that has legs and is incredibly crazy influential.”
    Peter: “It’s not only arena rock. It’s like literally the entire world knows that song.” [07:49]

  • Classic Era:

    Caller Jeff [08:09]: “Everybody started a band when they heard the Beatles ... Stairway to Heaven ... Like a Rolling Stone ... Blitzkrieg Bop by the Ramones ... (I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction ... You Really Got Me by The Kinks.” Peter: “Satisfaction is one of those Name That Tune songs, within the first note or two you know the song.”

  • Arena Anthems:

    Caller Doug [11:17]: “Thunderstruck by AC/DC, Livin’ on a Prayer by Bon Jovi, Ace of Spades by Motorhead ... If you hear them in a stadium, a bar, or a movie, you know it’s going to get nuts.”

  • Crossover Pick:

    Caller Kamal [14:03]: “How about Run DMC, Walk This Way.”
    Michael: “Once I realized Run DMC are just rapping the words ... Steven Tyler wrote a rap, but nobody knew it was rap ... That’s when they came up with Walk This Way—Young Frankenstein.”

• Hosts on Influence and Personal Taste:

  • Alan: “It’s impossible. We’re going to fail. We’re going to fail gloriously, but it’s going to be a lot of fun.” [13:20]
  • Peter: “Originality is subjective ... I’m trying not to be stuck in one era, but it just ends up happening again.” [18:32]

• Generational Divide:

  • Alan shrugs at Green Day being in the Hall of Fame.

    “I’m not a big Green Day guy. I don’t know how the hell they’re in the Hall of Fame.” [17:07]

  • Michael: “Green Day hit people my age when they were 13. ... It hit different.” [17:41]

• More Unique Picks:

  • Caller David from LA [19:32] suggests "Sgt. Pepper’s (Beatles)," "Break On Through" (The Doors), "Go Ask Alice" (Jefferson Airplane), "Last Night" (The Strokes), and "Naive Melody" (Talking Heads), noting influence and enduring popularity.

Notable Quotes:

• “The Ramones didn’t sell a ton of albums, but the influence of an entire generation … There was punk that came out of Europe influenced by the Ramones out of New York City playing CBGB.” — Alan [10:57]
• “If it wasn’t for this song, there wouldn’t be that song.” — Peter [13:06]
• “We could make a top 10, but you could probably keep expanding it and continue to have issues.” — Caller David [19:54]

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3. Let's Talk About It: Personal Grievances, Nostalgia, and Workplace Slights (23:42–46:16)

A. Producer Anthony’s Frustrations & Women’s Hockey (23:52–25:02)

• Anthony laments on-air about US women's hockey thumping Canada.
• The hosts plug growing popularity of women's hockey, referencing recent championship games and stars (Hillary Knight).

B. The Loss of Local Sports Journalism & Personal Sports Heroes (26:05–31:45)

• Peter reflects on the death of the Washington Post sports page and Sonny Jurgensen:

  “My love of sports and what made me a sports fan was wiped out in one swoop last week. ... The Washington Post sports page—one of the true biggest ones in the country.” [26:36]

  • Reminisces about Sunday roundtables with George Michael, Sonny Jurgensen, a young Mike Wilbon.
  • Broad discussion on the decline of comprehensive newspaper sports coverage, the consolidation into outlets like The Athletic, and how it erodes local sports culture.
  • Alan affirms: “There were like seven papers that covered the Knicks. ... That’s a thing obviously gone by the wayside.” [30:23]

C. "Rickleball" and Workplace Respect (32:43–46:16)

• Radio Shop-Talk: Alan gets fired up over ESPN New York’s on-air promo for “Rickleball”—an internal pickleball event branded after Rick DiPietro, but seemingly sidelining his co-host Dave Rothenberg.
  • “They’re promoting Rickleball—only Rick is in the picture!” — Alan [33:02]
  • The group banters about radio management shortchanging valuable team members, comparing it to their own K Show experiences (Michael Kay, Don, Alan’s treated as second-class citizens).
  • Michael: “We’ve seen it other places ... Nobody wants to be left out, you guys.” [45:56]
• Comic Relief:
  • “If Rick or Michael asked for [management], they’d be here by now.” — Alan
  • “Might as well just kick me right in the cubes.” — Don [36:52]
• Listener Solutions:
  • Caller Matt: “Why not just throw his [Dave’s] name in like the name of the show? It’s very simple.” [45:21]

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4. Stadium Anthems & The Hallmarks of "Forever Songs" (46:16–47:44)

• Caller Sam shouts out Queen’s "We Will Rock You" and "We Are the Champions," and House of Pain’s "Jump Around" as songs universally played at American sporting events.
  • “Everywhere ... it is.” — Alan [46:38]
• Hosts push back on genre: “Jump Around is a good song, but it’s not pure rock and roll ... but if you wanted to say arena rock songs ...” — Alan [47:14]

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On the Impossibility of the Greatest Rock Song List:

  Alan: “It’s like lifting Mount Everest ... Not gonna happen. Peter’s not gonna do it. Alan’s not gonna do it.” [18:52]

• On Management Ignoring Talent:

  Alan: “Don’t you start disrespect...you start treating people like this, you know what? They disappear.” [33:59]

• On Print Journalism’s Decline:

  Peter: “Those ones that took it more seriously are the ones that didn’t last because ... you didn’t sell the crazy.” [31:13]

• On Generational Divides in Music Taste:

  Michael: “Our music discovery passion area kind of starts to change in our 20s versus if it hits you when you’re 14 ... Green Day hit people my age when they were 13 years old.” [17:34]

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Important Timestamps

• NBA Fights & Old School Brawls: 01:00–06:27
• Rock Songs Greatest/Most Influential — Listener Calls Start: 06:43
  (Key calls: 07:03–19:32)
• Discussion on Failure/Generational Divide in Music: 13:06–18:47
• On Losing Local Sports Pages & Sports Heroes: 26:05–31:45
• Rickleball Promo Dispute: 32:43–46:16
• More Listener Arena Anthems: 46:20–47:44

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Tone & Style

• Language: Conversational, humorous, sometimes irreverent. The hosts indulge in New York-centric barbs, personal storytelling, and self-deprecation.
• Interaction: Caller-driven for the music segment; lively host debates with affectionate ribbing and venting about workplace gripes.

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Summary Takeaway

Hour 2 is a microcosm of what this show does best: blending smart, salty New York sports commentary with authentic nostalgia, pop culture debate, and the occasional behind-the-scenes workplace drama. The attempt to name the greatest rock song is playfully futile; the nostalgia for old sports journalism is poignant; and the “Rickleball” episode is classic radio comedy with a side of real talk about recognition and respect—both on the court and in the studio.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live, weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Alan Hahn]

Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power, One of the greatest albums of all time. This is not my favorite song, Walk, but it's good. But this whole album is.

[Caller]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Everybody loves Cowboy Smell. I always thought Cowboy Smell was kind of hokey. This album, Vulgar Display of Power. The COVID of the album is a guy getting punched in the face.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So, so, so good. Game Time is brought to you by Tullamore. To Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, boys, it's telly time. Just one local in action tonight, but it's a biggie. And the Pacers at MSG right after us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

880 at 7:00'. Clock. Yeah, you got it.

[Michael Eaves]

You got to be.

[Alan Hahn]

It's on msg, too. It's at msg, yeah. Also on msg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, last home game before the All Star break.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go. And we'll get into that. Looks like a lot of NBA players need a break. Although the brawl was. Was fun to watch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There was two. You know, there were two fights yesterday.

[Michael Eaves]

In the same game. No, I just saw the big dog.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that. That's the one that everybody. There was also one Minnesota. There was a fight.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

As well.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't see that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, you're at that point. It's the Hawks Timberwolves game. You're at that point of the year where, again, you get into January, it's the dog days, and no one really want, like, everybody's kind of like, I'm done. I need a break. And then you start getting towards All Star break, and coaches are on you, and teams are starting to slip one way or the other, and other teams are starting to flex, and you get sick of it. And now you're pushing back. So that's what you. This is typical every year. That's why I laugh when people freak out. This is always the time of year you see some fights, and everybody always, every year goes, oh, my God, like.

[Alan Hahn]

What are they doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's like, this happens every year. Guys get sick of each other, and I love it. I. I'm for it. There was a time in the NBA, believe it or not, where fighting was just a thing. It happened like the great story of Willis Reed. The Knicks were terrible in the early 60s. Willis Reed gets drafted. He's a tough dude. And the Lakers are playing the Knicks. They're punking them. And Willis told This guy, Rudy LaRusso, who was like this, you know, kind of a goon. He said to him, like, you know, you elbow me one more time, I'm gonna knock you out. And so, of course, LaRusso doesn't think anything of this young guy. He elbows him again. So Willis goes after him and the famous story, and there's a photo of or video of it where he clocks LaRusso into his bench and knocks like three players down like dominoes. And so the joke is like, he knocked out the Lakers that night. And that was sort of like this statement, but no, like major suspensions. There wasn't anything crazy. It was just how they got into a fight. Like, fights happen in the NBA. What happened in Detroit with Detroit, though.

[Michael Eaves]

I was gonna say that's. That's a bit.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't want to pay, you can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come, like, you know the NBA now, you can't come off the bench. And Isaiah Stewart, he just needs a reason. And what, what Jalen Duran did, putting his hand, he like kind of mushed the face of who was the kid from Charlotte. He like pushes him in the face. Like you're instigating there. Like, okay, so they went head to head for a minute. They had a little altercation, but cooler heads prevail. As long as you're not mushing him in the face. So that's Duran doing that. And then Miles Bridges was pissed off and went after him because he's trying to protect the young player. And it was Diabate, Musa Diabate. And then Bridges comes over and maybe he's escalating it, but then Stewart leaving the bench. Listen, I made a joke about Detroit. Why are they so angry? Like, they play so angry. They're very physical. They foul the hell out of you. They don't care. They know they're intimidating you. It's that old school bad boys Pistons thing. And I give JB Bickerstaff credit. They brought it back and it's working. They're the best team in the east, but, man, you gotta be careful because you catch the catch the league's attention. You know what happens now? Now referees, when they are refereeing Detroit games, might want to make sure that things don't escalate, that we need to tone down their physicality. Might need to call more fouls, couple of more techs, and it could end up neutering what has been working for them all season. It's something I'd watch, man.

[Alan Hahn]

Tullamore Dew, the original triple distilled triple blended, triple cast matured iris whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew, honey. During today's action, glasses up to enjoying telemore due responsibly. And of course, you're going to talk about NBA fights. You know, Kermit Washington laying out Rudy Tomjanovich. That's the first one that pops to mind for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was sad. Well, the one that did it and what cost the Knicks in the late 90s, was it AJ English and Derek Harper? It was two. It was bulls, Knicks.

[Michael Eaves]

Man, we are digging in the crowd. You know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I know that's a strange poll, but, but, but there's a. All right, but you want to know why things happened? That fight spilled into the stands.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And David Stern was at the game and it in front of him in the second row is where the fight landed. Right in front of his feet. Crazy in the crowd. And that's when he was just like, okay, guys, left the bench. All right? You leave the bench, you take a step off the bench, you're suspended. Well, what happened in the playoffs? Nick's heat, Patrick Ewing stepped off the bench. Guys get suspended. And a series that they were in control of suddenly no longer because they had to sit bunch of guys in game six and seven and they lost the series in his year that they thought they had the Bulls number that year, they thought they could have beat him that year. And instead because of guys took one step off the bench in that Miami series, it cost them. So this, you know, anybody that points to that year, you go, no, that fight that happened with the Bulls started this new rule and it cost the Knicks in 97. So anyway.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's, it's, it's important stuff. And we'll get into that, you know, a little bit later on. The Knicks and the Pacers. And as we get closer and closer to the all star game. 1-800-919-3776. Let's go to Joe in Wake Forest. You're on ESPN, New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's up, Joe?

[Michael Eaves]

Hey, Joe.

[Caller]

What's going on? Guys, I just want to say first.

Off, thank you guys for always having the shows available on the app, because I always have to listen to it a day later just because I can't get any reception at my office. So I really appreciate that, but no problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller]

For your top songs.

I know this is a newer.

It's in the 21st century, so I.

Know it's probably not going to play well, but you talk About a song that has legs and is incredibly crazy influential. Seven Nation army by the White Stripes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a good.

[Michael Eaves]

Story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everybody knows Joe.

[Michael Eaves]

It's a.

[Alan Hahn]

It's.

[Michael Eaves]

It's. I. I think right after Smells Like Teen Spirit. That's a. That's a reasonable one to throw out there for the modern era. Don, do you agree? A reasonable.

[Alan Hahn]

No, very modern era. It just. Listen, the reason the modern rock, too, hurts me is because the other songs, you. It's got more of a life. It's been around longer. So you can see what the influence is. And. And I don't want to be biased against the new music, but that song's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Influence, Don, is like. It's not only arena rock. It's like literally the entire world knows that song.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's.

[Michael Eaves]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a big deal, for sure.

[Michael Eaves]

So we'll see if it makes the list. I'll make your list.

[Alan Hahn]

We'll find out. Jeff is in Garden City. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Jeff.

[Caller]

I'm so happy you guys are talking about this subject. And somebody just used the word influential. So let's talk about the combination of great and influential, because that's what I think makes up great rock and roll songs. And it doesn't matter who the artist is. We're talking about the influence along with the greatest. Now, you could be a fan of it or not. You're throwing out Guns N Roses and Sepultura and, you know, the White Stripes. I. Talking about influence. So obviously I'm going to play the one card that I didn't want to play. So everybody started a band when they heard the Beatles. They just wanted to play music. There's too many of the Beatles, and that was an influence to start a band. But let's go to the songs. When Stairway to Heaven finally came out, no one ever heard anything like that before. So that's one of those songs that just combined everything for great rock and roll, no matter who you are at the time. The second one would be Bob Dylan's Like a Rolling Stone. Now, you may not like Bob Dylan, but the song has influenced masses of folk and electric rock. At the time when Dylan went electric, the other song that influenced There'd be no Green Day. There'd be no Blink 182 if it wasn't for the Ramones, Our hometown boys with Blitzkrieg Bop. The minute that kicks on, it takes you to the place. And like you said, the. They play that song, they play the White Stripes and also other songs at Sporting you know, events. So the Ramones. And as far as songs, I'm going to give it to the Rolling Stones where I can't get no Satisfaction, because that was a game changer, along with you really Got Me by the Kinks. So those are the influential songs and great songs. I'm going to be quiet and give me your. Don't hang up on me, but give me your. Give me your opinions on them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll tell you what the. Again, like what you mentioned, first of all, the Ramones. It's a great point you made there. Satisfaction is one of those Name that tune songs, which is within the first note or two. You know the song like it's. It's. There's very few of those songs that exist, but that's one of them for sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller]

And there'd be no Van Halen if it wasn't for the Kinks, which you really got me. I mean, that's what put them on the map.

[Alan Hahn]

They covered that song. See, that's the other thing you factor in. Like, I don't want to give anything away. I know. But there's a Bob Dylan song I'm contemplating putting on, but not that one. And I'm basing it on the fact of how it gets covered and how you can't possibly cover it and do a bad job because that's how good a song it is. But I don't want to give it away. I'm not sure I'm going to put it on the list yet, but. No, listen, the Ramones are in the rock and roll event, all right? They didn't sell a ton of albums, but the influence of an entire generation. I mean, there. There was punk that came out of Europe where there was influenced by the Ramones, you know, out of New York City, playing at cbgb. So influence is certainly something that definitely moves a lot of people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think it matters.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep, it does matter tremendously. Let's go to Doug in the Hudson Valley. You're on espn, New York.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, thank you for letting me be part of the show today.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure.

[Caller]

Three that I think the stick out of my head. I'll do them real quick. I'm sure they're not going to make the top, but they're at least honorable mention worthy. Would be thunderstruck by acdc, Living on a Prayer by Bon Jovi, as well as Ace of Spades by Motorhead. If you hear him in a stadium, a bar, on a movie, you know that it's going to get nuts. It's going to get Crazy. It's going to be loud. People will be singing along. It's crazy. So probably not the best, but at least honorable mention worthy.

[Alan Hahn]

They are arena, you know, rock songs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's arena rock for sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Living on a prayer.

[Michael Eaves]

Are you disgusted by even the, the thought?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, are you surprised that I hate that song?

[Alan Hahn]

It's a big song. Well, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're shocked, right? Because you know, I'm, I'm all for the. The.

[Michael Eaves]

I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked, Alan, because it made it to the. You know, it's so beyond the pale. But yeah, I assume you loved it at some point. We all loved it at some point. At least my age. Yeah, you know, I loved it as a kid.

[Alan Hahn]

But the Thunderstruck them and ACDC's got so many better songs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Way better than that. Yes, but it does hit early. Like early. It, it. It's got early on in the song. It's got something. And then it's like, okay, third time around, I'm good. Like, let's just, let's get to this.

[Alan Hahn]

We do at. With Kimball at kickboxing, we'll do burpees to thunderstruck. So every time they say thunderstruck, we got to do a burpee.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

Does that make you like this on more or less.

[Alan Hahn]

Less. Burpees. They're no joke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh my God.

[Michael Eaves]

I would think that would hurt sometime.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I almost feel like when we make this somehow where you are turning this show into a four hour list show. When we make this list, it's like each song you have to make the case about what influence or what impact it had beyond the fact that it's a good song. Like it's a beloved great song. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is that what you're saying? Like each one is going to. Because I've, I'm just again spitballing, scratching a list out and I'm like, damn, there's some that have to go because if it wasn't for this song, there wouldn't be a that song.

[Alan Hahn]

It's again, it's impossible. We're going to fail. We're going to fail.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're going to fail miserably. And we're going to. But we're going to do it glorious.

[Alan Hahn]

But it's going to be a lot of fun. And listen, I, I love Motorhead. Ace of Spades is a really good song. I think a lot of people who have no idea who Motorhead is. No, Ace of Spades, but not my favorite Motorhead song. But they're, they're Classic. And we lost Lemmy way too soon. Yeah, but it kind of made sense.

[Michael Eaves]

You mean the way he lived his life?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Marvin is in. Keith Richards, New Brunswick. You're on ESPN New York.

[Caller]

Hello?

[Alan Hahn]

Hello, Marvin.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gotcha.

[Caller]

It's Kamal. How about Run dmc? Walk this Way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Aerosmith.

[Caller]

Well, Aerosmith.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So we talk about the Aerosmith song or the. The Arrow. The mashup with Run. Exactly. Well, that was brought up yesterday as far as. Is that, like. Could that be laid out?

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah, I mean, I. Listen, I love the record.

[Alan Hahn]

It's.

[Michael Eaves]

Again, it's kind of like living on a prayer to Me, though. It triggers a childhood memory that's so strong. But I don't know if that makes it great. I still don't know if that means you put it in, like, the true greatness convo, because, I mean, it was a cover of a song that already happened.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. You know where they came.

[Michael Eaves]

Once I realized. Once I realized that Run DMC are just wrapping the words.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Steven Tyler wrote a rap, but nobody knew it was rap.

[Michael Eaves]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, Debbie Harry wrote a rap, but nobody knew it was rap.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. And do you know where they came up with Walk this Way? They went and saw Young Frankenstein. And when Igor says, walk this way, and they all hunch over and walk.

[Michael Eaves]

Is that true?

[Alan Hahn]

That's where they came up with the original song. No, it's true. It's a fact.

[Michael Eaves]

I can't tell if you're being.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm. I'm being deadly, sir. I love it.

[Michael Eaves]

Alan's laughing, though, like you're telling a big.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. I think it's. I. I didn't know that. So it's funny.

[Michael Eaves]

I wouldn't put that in the conversation. Is there an Aerosmith song you consider, though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dream On, Dream Monzio.

[Michael Eaves]

I love Sweet emotion.

[Alan Hahn]

Sweet emotions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very, very Zeppelin. Again, very Zeppelin.

[Alan Hahn]

I really have no use for, like, Arrow Smith after, like, 87.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

If it's in a movie.

[Michael Eaves]

What about Dude Looks like a Lady? No, I don't mean for your list.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh. Loving and elevated.

[Michael Eaves]

You're already.

[Alan Hahn]

These are yo yo songs. Seriously.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Loving an Elevator is another stripper song.

[Michael Eaves]

It's living it up while you're going down, going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, they tried to make it right. Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

So when they had all. Just a series of songs with big emo videos starring Alicia Silverstone in one world.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, they're. They're.

[Michael Eaves]

They're amazing. Crying all the same thing changed. I. It was over for you.

[Alan Hahn]

It was kind of like when the Bee Gees went disco, they changed. Everything changed. Now you listen to old Aerosmith, it's like really good raw rock and roll. Don't want to close my eyes.

[Michael Eaves]

It's not.

[Alan Hahn]

That's don't want to foul.

[Michael Eaves]

Big ballad crap is what you're saying.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

Now this isn't going to make anyone's top five list interesting, but. But my favorite rock and roll song of the modern era, and by that I mean later than my childhood. Okay, I'm going beyond my childhood. My favorite rock and roll song of post childhood is Wake Me When September Ends by Green Day. That is a. To me, a complete masterpiece. Do you know it? How well do you know? Yeah, you know, have you ever like, watched the video?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I'm not a big Green Day guy. I don't know how the hell they're in the hall of fame.

[Michael Eaves]

Well, you don't think they're all famous?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they're pretty impactful.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

Didn't they just sort of miss you though again, don't they?

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe nothing misses me.

[Michael Eaves]

No, no, no. But age wise, they missed you. No, I. No, no, no. Hear me.

[Alan Hahn]

I like that. I just don't like.

[Michael Eaves]

But they don't care for them. But they, they reached their peak in 93, 94, 95.

[Alan Hahn]

93, 94, 95. I was born in 68, so I'm like 23, 24 years old. How did it miss me?

[Michael Eaves]

25 right there. I know, but it's not the artist. Our music discovery passion area kind of starts to change in our. In our 20s versus if it hits you when you're 14, is what I'm saying. So Green Day hit people my age when they were 13 years old. So I think it does hit different. You know what I'm saying, Alan?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it definitely is generational, but I'm already struggling. Guys, as we talk about this. The problem is that because. And this is in all, all types of music, hip hop, the same way, they're really. Originality is subjective because I do think there's a lot of influence in everything that's done. And so therefore, when you have a song that's more modern, let's say, you know, even in this century. But you're like, yeah, but that's influenced by that. So that's what makes that song bigger.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which is what Dom was trying to say. And that. That's what I'm frustrated by because I'm trying not to be stuck in one era, but it just ends up happening again.

[Alan Hahn]

The reason you're Frustrated is because what we're trying to do is absolutely impossible.

[Michael Eaves]

Ludicrous, really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is. It is.

[Alan Hahn]

It is so stupid. It's going to be entertaining, but what we're doing, we can't accomplish. We could have failed. Miserable again. It's like lifting Mount Everest. Having a whole big production, an open cameras, an audience, trying to see if I can lift Mount Everest. Not gonna happen. Peter's not gonna do it. Alan's not gonna do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're all gonna fail.

[Alan Hahn]

Can't be done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're gonna be mad at each other, but it's gonna be glorious.

[Michael Eaves]

Well, more ideas, though. Every phone line. Only rock and roll. Sorry. By the way, people don't like stick to sports crowd. I got news for you. For the stick to sports people, you guys should be more active on the phones because the stick to music people, they are active.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they are. They are.

[Michael Eaves]

They are. They are on this.

[Alan Hahn]

David in la. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, David.

[Caller]

Hey, how's it going, guys? Longtime listener, first time caller.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Caller]

Grew up in New York, but out here in LA for almost a decade now. Great idea, what you're doing. I think it's impossible. I agree with you. I wonder if it doesn't make sense to make it a top 10, although you could probably keep expanding it and continue to have issues.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It would take forever to do a top 10.

[Caller]

Yeah.

I had just a couple songs that I would put out there for consideration. I don't know that they make the top five, but they're, you know, songs that I think were pretty important. I think if you're talking Beatles, I think Sgt. Peppers would probably be my number one because it's got that rock vibe. And it's also off of one of the top albums of all time. I think Rolling Stone had it as the number one album of all time in their top 500 list, I think. Break on through by the Doors.

[Michael Eaves]

You know what? That's a. That's a good number to throw out there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I have. I thought that's one of the songs I have jotted down.

[Michael Eaves]

Don, any movement for that or no Break On Through Give you any move?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you know, I do Roadhouse Blues. I've done that live, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

The end is. Is that. Well, not one of my favorites, but I. I love the Doors.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Yep.

I. I think they're great. That's one option. Go ask Alice. Jefferson Airplane, that's another song that I think should be considered. And then if you want to talk something a little bit more modern, I think last Night by the Strokes. There's a strong argument that the Strokes sort of influenced a revival in rock in the early aughts and some good influence there. And then I just also wanted to throw out a couple others that I just really like. I mean, and I think one that's had real staying power is Naive Melody Talking Heads. You still hear that everywhere you go in la. They're still airing. Stop Making Sense in theaters. And then also, you know, a thought you were mentioning Chris Cornell.

[Alan Hahn]

Show Me.

[Caller]

How To Live or Like a Stone by Audioslave.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Both of those, I know it are.

[Caller]

Just incredible songs that, you know, really showcase like the power of rock and roll. So that's my thoughts.

[Alan Hahn]

Basically, Audioslave is Chris Cornell as a lead singer, Rage against the Machine Pretty much, yeah. And it is some really awesome I could just tell by the reaction we're getting. I'm going to get eviscerated tomorrow because our audience doesn't know anything like pre1995, but we'll have fun.

[Michael Eaves]

Talk about your ace. We will.

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[Michael Eaves]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Alan Hahn]

All right, who wants to start this off?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think Anthony needs to.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, Anthony's done with us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Anthony, Anthony. Talk about it. This is what it's for. Let it out.

[Caller]

I can't believe that it's 5 nothing. US Canada.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are the shots? What are the shots? Right now?

[Caller]

It's 3,000, 119 now, but that's kind of. Because the US have kind of stopped. I know not having pool land is big, but I didn't think there was this big of a discrepancy. Unless Canada knows we're going to see these ladies again, let's not worry about it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, we're talking women's hockey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, by the way, it's. Women's hockey is. It's massive. It is growing.

[Michael Eaves]

It really is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'd be surprised. It really is.

[Michael Eaves]

No, no, I'm just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Last year's national championship game. Anthony, you remember, like, that guy, like, the viewership on that game and then how great the game was. Women's hockey is big, man.

[Michael Eaves]

Well, no, no. By the way, I. I'm aware of that. I'm a big proponent. That is. It is also big. But when random names are getting thrown around. I was letting the audience know what we're talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gotcha.

[Michael Eaves]

They might not know that we were talking US Women's hockey. Respectfully, to the. To the. Who are the biggest fair stars on this team?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hillary Knight.

[Michael Eaves]

Hillary Knight.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't know Hillary Knight.

[Caller]

Edwards just scored.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Alan.

[Michael Eaves]

There we go.

[Caller]

Far down on Debian.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, is he.

[Caller]

I was shocked that she was. A net, too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, Next one. That's cool. All right, so Anthony wanted to talk about that, but not really. Anthony wanted to talk about the helplessness of a producer for a sports talk show that has spent the last 45 minutes talking music.

[Michael Eaves]

And it doesn't seem to. And I. That's the future.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Three hosts are like, that's what we're doing today.

[Caller]

Well, I think you're doing a great job.

[Michael Eaves]

The.

[Alan Hahn]

The.

[Michael Eaves]

The hosts. The. Listen, when it comes to talk shows, unless you're shot out of a cannon about one topic, it's a team effort. It's the hosts, producer, etc. And the audience.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And what's the energy that.

[Michael Eaves]

And the audience said to us, hey, we hear your.

[Alan Hahn]

Yo, yo.

[Michael Eaves]

Who's gonna win the Next championship in New York Talk. And we would rather get into these top five greatest rock and roll songs of all time. And I'm, I am the biggest proponent have been since I got here at you. Don't fight the inertia of what's making good radio at the time. You go with it. That's me.

[Alan Hahn]

We were rolling, but now we've got to talk about it. So you want to talk about Peter?

[Michael Eaves]

Well, I unfortunately do have to bring up sports, but this is going to upset fly. No, I know. It's going to get even worse though too, because get ready, it's not about New York sports. So this is going to send people.

[Caller]

Alan turned his camera off. He's so upset.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

He doesn't want to be seen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I didn't turn it off. It's establishing connection.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Michael Eaves]

So no, no. Last week was just a really, really bad week for my. This is, this is our, this is our opportunity. Talk about it. Talk about our feelings. Right, Don?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Michael Eaves]

And what hurts us, what makes us tick. If you grew up in the D.C. area, last week saw the death of the Washington Post sports page and the death of Sonny Jurgensen. I really cannot emphasize to you guys how much like my love of sports and what made me a sports fan was wiped out in one swoop last week. You know, like the Washington Post guys, you know, I know. Don, you brought up the problems of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Yeah, that's sad. And we've certainly seen it other places. The Washington Post sports page. Guys, with respect to the other places, we're talking about one of the true biggest ones in the country.

[Alan Hahn]

Country.

[Michael Eaves]

We're talking about like the true real deal when it comes to covering sports.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

And they have literally the Post has gotten rid of all of it. The only coverage they will have will be from reporters who do that in addition to many other things. But it being its own world where like you would go to the, you would go to the Washington Post sports page and I would wake up on a fall day and see multiple articles about whatever was going on with the Redskins, multiple articles about whatever was going on with the Orioles. And then as you got into the Capitals and bullet season, plus national stuff, plus incredible just opinion pieces from brilliant writers like Thomas Boswell, Sally Jenkins, Michael Wilbon, Tony Kornheiser, all of these people and these names who helped and as you guys know from some of the names I just mentioned then end up shaping sports narrative wise on a national level. I mean, you guys would agree. I mean, Wilbot and Kornheiser became two of the most known sports journalists ever because of pti. That all stems from the Washington Post sports page. And then you have Sonny Jurgensen, who as great a quarterback as he was, Don, I never saw the man play football except for the fun highlights I've seen. What he was though, was the guy you heard and the guy you saw not just in the booth smoking his cigar, drinking whatever was in that mug, watching the game and calling it only the way a legend, a former legend from the team can do it. But also, you guys know, like the roundtable shows that you have in local sports, like we have here. You remember another person who passed away way too soon and you know him from nationally on the George Michael Sports Machine. The great George Michael.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

Who you know, while he was known for the George Michael Sports Machine, he was a D.C. guy and was the local sports reporter on the local NBC. Okay. So on Sunday they would do the Redskins report. And somewhat my boy JP Finley posted a clip the other day of George Michael, Sonny Jurgensen, maybe guys, maybe 27, 28 year old Mike Wilbon sitting around chatting about the then 80s Redskins in their glory. And it was just a real moment of like, my sports childhood is completely dead. It was really, really sad, man. And I know this isn't relatable to everybody, obviously this is my personal experience, but just a really, really sad week for people who grew up on the era of sports in the area that I grew up. You can't get that stuff back. And it's going to keep happening over and over again. Fortunately here guys, we still do pretty well. The New York Post sports page is still. That pretty much resembles what it used to.

[Alan Hahn]

Right, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The paper itself is much smaller, but it.

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah, but like the writers you like, but we don't have, have a job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but equal to what the Post, the Washington Post was for you was the New York Times is not what it was.

[Michael Eaves]

Well, no, they rolled into the athletic. They don't even have a full thing anymore.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's the thing. The New York Times doesn't really cover all the local teams. I get used to like when I, the first time I was on the beat in the late 90s, there were like seven papers that covered the Knicks. Seven. Everybody traveled. Like that's a, like that's a thing that's obviously gone by the wayside. But the Times was always sort of the quote unquote paper of record, like the gold standard. Because they weren't a tabloid. They didn't have to do the big splashy headlines and all that stuff. They didn't have to go there. They were, you know, that's what they. That's gone. And again, the Washington Post, the LA Times, like those are, you know, Chicago Tribune, Boston Globe, like that's what you knew in all the major markets. You always had those paper of record type papers and that. Well, not shockingly, Post, that's. That's gone.

[Michael Eaves]

And not shockingly based on what we are like as a society. Those ones that took it more seriously are the ones that didn't last because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You didn't sell the crazy.

[Michael Eaves]

No. And the crazy people, they made the.

[Alan Hahn]

Adjustment to just become the National Enquirer as a newspaper.

[Michael Eaves]

Right, right, exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Although again, the Post.

[Michael Eaves]

The Post is a mixed bag.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They started leaning in one direction and that also kind of ticked off some people too. So again, the business itself is. Yeah, that's. It sucks.

[Alan Hahn]

I got a couple to get into. One serious one, not as serious, but I just noticed that Jim Robson had passed away at the age of 91. Longtime voice of the Vancouver Canucks. And the reason we have a Kenny Albert now Marv is the real reason. But Kenny idolized you. Was a Canuck fan as a kid because of Jim Robson and been watching him do play by play when he'd be at the Garden with his dad. And of course Islander fans might remember him being in 82 when the Canucks play the Islanders in the Stanley cup final. And of course in 94, passed away at the age of 91. I was just in Vancouver and they hold him in such reverence. And there's pictures of him all over the broadcast area. But a life well led. But Kenny worshiped him. I don't know if you know that. So I want to send out a note to Kenny. I'm sure he's mourning him from Milan right now as he just passed away at the age of 91. And the other thing I want to get on our company, right in their grill.

[Michael Eaves]

Here we go. Do it.

[Alan Hahn]

We touched on it a little bit yesterday, but I noticed something even worse. The whole Rickleball thing that they're doing in the morning.

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Not including Dave.

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So if you watch YouTube, you know this. We have ads during the commercial break showing the different places we're going to be doing remotes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh sure.

[Alan Hahn]

They're promoting the Rickleball. Only Rick is in the picture.

[Michael Eaves]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it is Rickle ball.

[Michael Eaves]

Well, that's not so rough.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And ball.

[Michael Eaves]

Yes, that's the problem.

[Alan Hahn]

And it's accentuated by the fact that they're Only promoting Dave. I mean, they're only promoting Rick and not Dave. Dave's playing in this thing. Yeah, I think Dave is the pickleball guy. Yeah, I think they were doing it because of him.

[Michael Eaves]

He drives the show and he's treated.

[Alan Hahn]

Like garbage is what you're saying now, Peter point that it's a lot what Peter and I went through during the K show, but Kay drove the show. K wanted to do the show by.

[Michael Eaves]

Himself if he could.

[Alan Hahn]

Kay's relishing in the fact that he gets to do the show by himself. Now, Dave is that show, brother. He drives the show.

[Michael Eaves]

They can't even call it Dave and Rickleball or they just couldn't put his picture there. Yeah, Rickleball, but with a picture of them both like he's a human.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't you start disrespect. I know he. I know he just re upped, but you start treating people like this, you know what? They disappear.

[Michael Eaves]

You think Dave could walk over this?

[Alan Hahn]

No, but it might be a face off down the road that ESPN loses because of things like this. And they go, he's cherish this man.

[Michael Eaves]

Some say pound for pound, the best on the station.

[Alan Hahn]

I say that. And listen, Rick's terrific, but the last I saw, he doesn't have to make any saves on that show. So the fact that he was a goaltender for the New York calendar shouldn't matter. Yeah, but you right, he's not asking to stop the puck. He's asking to produce great radio, which he does, but in part because of Dave.

[Michael Eaves]

And yet they're still right. Sniffing.

[Alan Hahn]

Sniffing the jock.

[Michael Eaves]

Sniff it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sniff them dead.

[Alan Hahn]

Sniff it dead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That.

[Alan Hahn]

How do you. How do you know? What if they're on the floor? Not that they're listening out there. I want them to come in right? I want the person that made that decision to sit right, right to my right and explain themselves.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Michael Eaves]

You want an answer? You want an answer?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, do it.

[Alan Hahn]

Is it John Winthrop? Is it Jake Montgomery? Is it higher?

[Michael Eaves]

I don't think it's Jake Montgomery.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They'll tell you that Rickleball just sounded fun.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, but let's pickleball. Put half the host in the picture.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, why?

[Michael Eaves]

Come on, for God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just because I want to push back. Because somebody has to. Not that I disagree with anything that you've said. I. No, no, no, I don't disagree. But just out of curiosity, somebody in this. We're spitballing in a meeting and somebody says, rickleball. That'd be fun. All right. Well, it's not fair to Dave. All right, what do you do?

[Alan Hahn]

Put him in the picture?

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah, you just put a picture in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so you just want the picture Because I'm not seeing picture. I am. I am hearing the ads during the, you know, the promos, and I hear Dave, there's no picture. So that's why I'm just. I'm just wondering why. Why my guy's got to take. Take some shrapnel right now.

[Alan Hahn]

I think Emily's on the floor. Can. Can. Since. Since you're so bothered by the fact we talk so much music. Anthony, why don't you do something and bring Emily.

[Michael Eaves]

Oh, you want Emily to answer for the Rickle Ball?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Michael Eaves]

Do you know if she had anything to do with.

[Alan Hahn]

No idea. I'm just. I'm just. First I've heard of him. Is CK on the floor? Let's bring him in.

[Michael Eaves]

He just wants the big dogs. Whatever big dog could be found.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don wants Don. Don sticking up for his guy. I love it. I love it.

[Michael Eaves]

Well, so I listen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I also hits home for you. It's hitting home.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, because I live this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I lived it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What did Russo say? I didn't know you were allowed to talk.

[Michael Eaves]

I didn't know you talked so much. I didn't know you were such a big part of the show, Donnie. I thought you were just doing updates, Donnie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

Really? I didn't. I had no idea. Everything. They got you up on a stage. Really? I thought you had brought your shine box.

[Alan Hahn]

Might as well just rear back. Kick me right in the cubes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right in the cubes.

[Alan Hahn]

One of the great highlights of my life was the 20th anniversary party.

[Michael Eaves]

Ruined by that.

[Alan Hahn]

By that.

[Michael Eaves]

Was that. I had no idea. You're such a big part of the show, Johnny. I know. Hey, Daddy. What are you doing on the stage? Daddy, can you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My favorite remains that Joe Namath is hoping I still make the team.

[Michael Eaves]

But that made sense.

[Alan Hahn]

And you made it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hope you make the team.

[Michael Eaves]

But that was reasonable. It was a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was a press release. I made the team.

[Alan Hahn]

I was put on the team.

[Michael Eaves]

Joe. You think Joe will name it?

[Alan Hahn]

You know what?

[Michael Eaves]

You of all people.

[Alan Hahn]

Joe [e-mail] @aol.

[Michael Eaves]

Do you think that made it to Joe [e-mail] Joe. Joe Willie.

[Alan Hahn]

69.Com 68. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

69 is someone else.

[Alan Hahn]

69. Just by the way, work for Joe. Better.

[Michael Eaves]

I'm about to say either year works great for Joe.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean?

[Michael Eaves]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're right.

[Michael Eaves]

You think Joe Willie 68 at AOL got the press release. No, it made sense. He was used to talking to me and Don now for years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many people are going to email Joe? Willie68@ AOL, just see what happens. Just. You never know. Maybe he'll reply.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, not for nothing, but I think if. If Rick or Michael asked for him, she'd be.

[Michael Eaves]

She'd be here by. You know what, Don? This is good. This is getting uncomfortable.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't see him flinch. That was my talk about it.

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah. You're upset for Dave Ruff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Eaves]

You got anything over there? Alan Hahn?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not after that, no.

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where do you.

[Michael Eaves]

You know what?

[Alan Hahn]

I want to co sign it at least.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to talk about anything.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't want to co sign what I just said.

[Michael Eaves]

I don't think he does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. Like I said, I don't disagree with anything you say. I just don't know why.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think I'll be able to make the payments.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are you talking about?

[Michael Eaves]

He just thinks it's a better idea to move on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just think the name sounded. Sounded pretty cool. Now you said the picture thing, which I didn't know.

[Alan Hahn]

The picture thing put me over the top.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't know. There's no picture.

[Alan Hahn]

And especially like, hey, you know, I'm all for the Rickle Ball because it makes. But make sure that when we promote it, at least have Dave in the picture. They didn't even do that. Yeah, if I were Dave, I wouldn't even show up. Apparently they wouldn't even know.

[Michael Eaves]

I'm trying to see if I could find anything specifically on the website about Rickle Ball. Where do you see this?

[Alan Hahn]

What? On YouTube. You know, when they go to break.

[Michael Eaves]

Oh, sure, I know.

[Alan Hahn]

They'll show YouTube or, you know, Wild Turkey appearances and promote different shows. And they've got a promotion for rickleball and it's just Rick.

[Michael Eaves]

I'm looking for it right now. I'm paying. I'm paying close attention, folks. You're right.

[Alan Hahn]

No, he's.

[Michael Eaves]

You know what, Don, again, he's upset. He wanted Alan. He wanted you on board with him, and he feels like he's on board.

[Alan Hahn]

I just wanted a cosign.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you're mad because I'm not gonna jump in behind you on something that I. It. It had no effect on me whatsoever. Like I so.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it sounds like because your guy's being taken care of. My guy's not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I almost feel like. Like it's, it's. It's unfair. Like Rick's being painted as Rick's fault.

[Alan Hahn]

Rick didn't make that decision.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you made him out to be the golden child. Oh, well, because.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on. I made him out to be the golden child.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's not stopping Parks.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I'm just. I'm just saying. I'm just stating facts. They made him the golden child.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You feel away because this is personal to you, because you feel like you've been through this, and so when you see it now, you want to call it out because you know it's not right and you know how it feels.

[Alan Hahn]

And.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I respect that. Which is why I said I don't argue with anything you're saying.

[Alan Hahn]

I would say that this is 100 times more disrespectful of Dave than it ever was to me.

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[Alan Hahn]

100 times more?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You weren't even allowed to talk.

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah, we could think of. I'm sure you were ignored, doc. Yeah, we could think of more disrespectful things, can't we? What about when Michael. What about when you go on vacation? What would Michael replace you with?

[Alan Hahn]

Stuffed animal.

[Michael Eaves]

You don't think that's more disrespectful? What about.

[Alan Hahn]

That wasn't management. That was Mike.

[Michael Eaves]

What about. Hold on real quick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they let him get away with it, though.

[Michael Eaves]

When.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Call attention to it.

[Michael Eaves]

When. When you would go on vacation, Michael would have a stuffed animal?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Michael Eaves]

When Michael would go on vacation, would you have a stuffed animal?

[Alan Hahn]

No, I would have. Like, usually there would always be some Ruth Buzzy when she was available. But somebody in that seat that can talk. If Don's by himself, the transmission will.

[Michael Eaves]

So I. I can't have that.

[Alan Hahn]

What happened to that transmitter anyway?

[Michael Eaves]

I still think that's more disrespectful than Rickle Ball.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe. It's debatable.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Michael Eaves]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alan Hahn]

So we'll see if management makes any changes. But you saw the picture with. Just read.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Those listening, of course, on 880 in the app. Heard the promo. And in the promo, Dave's voice is quite prominent.

[Alan Hahn]

God, I never. I never seen this side of Al.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, what's the side? I'm just being fair. What's. What's right is right. And his voice is prominent. He actually makes a joke about how he's not comfortable because it's called Rickle ball, you know, And Rick says, I don't want all this pressure. You know, it's a whole bit. It's a bit.

[Michael Eaves]

I just saw the. The little ad pop up on our screen. I will say there's a lot of screen that, like, they left empty. It's like Rick.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Michael Eaves]

Empty space.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, what could we put here?

[Michael Eaves]

Nothing.

[Alan Hahn]

Can't think of. Can't think of anything. We got Rick. We've got the logo. Mm, I don't know. Coming up empty. I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What else did you want? A picture of Dave playing pickleball.

[Alan Hahn]

That.

[Michael Eaves]

Well, that's what you'd have. Yeah, they played a game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's very good.

[Michael Eaves]

He supposedly, you know, he played high.

[Alan Hahn]

School tennis, and they beat Amani Toomer and Anita Marks, two former athletes.

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah, I mean, last year they did play together. Couldn't the picture exist of the two of them playing? There's probably photos of them both playing pickleball or rickleball. You know, it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you guys think this is a conspiracy against Dave?

[Michael Eaves]

Yeah, that's what it feels like.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. They don't realize he works here.

[Michael Eaves]

Well, remember, his voice is the prominent.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Voice in the promo.

[Michael Eaves]

You know what? My voice is the prominent voice in lots of commercials. But you're just the voice. You're, you know, no one. You're not being celebrated like Rickleball. I'm with you, dog. But Alan is Team Rick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Alan Hahn]

Alan sounds like espn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's fair, what's right? Sounded good. And you just go with it. People gonna come out. It's gonna be a good time.

[Michael Eaves]

That's it.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it. I feel like I'm marching. You know, hell, no. We won't go in front of, you know, a building. And Alan's like, you know, you don't need the raise. Oh, wow. They just go back to work.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really? That's what this is about.

[Michael Eaves]

He's like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now all of a sudden, it's about a raise.

[Alan Hahn]

Scabby little scabby.

[Michael Eaves]

And now Alan's like, I don't know why you're making all this commotion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think, oh, my God, we all.

[Michael Eaves]

Make a good salary.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. All right. Proud union guy for over 20 years. All right, that's the game we're gonna play.

[Michael Eaves]

There might be a stuff. A blown up rat sitting in your chair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, right. I'll see that. Hey, Don, at the beach bash, I'm gonna sing too. Okay. Okay. You know, it's only fair. Oh, you remember? Do you remember when you said to me, no, that's my thing.

[Michael Eaves]

Driving, I do remember.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's your thing. All right, well, that's your thing. Let me lay out.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, sure thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I celebrated it.

[Alan Hahn]

I celebrated you that day, I think.

[Michael Eaves]

But it wasn't called the Don lreca Beach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It doesn't matter.

[Alan Hahn]

Who cares what it was called?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who cares?

[Alan Hahn]

Your face was on the cup. Yeah, they handed out beautiful cup and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They'Re like, who's this guy? Where's Michael?

[Michael Eaves]

I hope he makes the team.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, Michael.

[Michael Eaves]

Michael looks terrific.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, right, Michael.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Michael had some work done.

[Alan Hahn]

He looks great.

[Michael Eaves]

All right, let's talk to these people. Waiting for God.

[Alan Hahn]

Matt, Long Island's got a good idea for Rickle Ball. You're on espn, New York. What do you got, Matt? Hey, what's up, guys?

[Caller]

You guys got me?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I got you. I'm the one that called in the.

[Caller]

Other day about the father.

[Alan Hahn]

Friday with Nick, with the Eagles, Long island, the whole thing that Don ruled.

[Caller]

On Nick being not a fraud, which.

[Alan Hahn]

Is absurd, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, which is absurd.

[Caller]

But the Rothenberg and Rickleball Madness.

[Alan Hahn]

Why not just throw his name in.

[Caller]

Like the name of the show? It's very simple.

[Alan Hahn]

Gets everyone included in it and keeps.

[Caller]

The vibe of the whole program going on.

[Michael Eaves]

Great point.

[O'Reilly Auto Parts Announcer]

That.

[Michael Eaves]

That's how I feel. Super easy.

[Alan Hahn]

But. But what? You need management to care about both of them equally. And they don't. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Makes me sad. Makes Peter sad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Peter, you said sad would be strong.

[Michael Eaves]

But I don't know if I've spent a lot of time being sad about this. But I certainly identify with what it's like to be treated like a second class citizen on a program.

[Alan Hahn]

Left out.

[Michael Eaves]

I've been there.

[Alan Hahn]

Nobody wants to be left out, you guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That. That's what this is.

[Michael Eaves]

And we can see it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You guys are feeling away because it's relatable to you. That's the part I respect.

[Alan Hahn]

And it shows that it's a bit of a habit with this company. And I'm trying to end it.

[Michael Eaves]

He's fighting.

[Alan Hahn]

That's why I need Emily to come in here at five o'. Clock.

[Michael Eaves]

That's a unit for.

[Alan Hahn]

Here we go, Sam in Brooklyn. You're on espn, New York. Hi, Sam.

[Caller]

What's up, guys? Listen, I got two songs that are played at every. Pretty much every stadium for every sport in the US Anyway.

All right?

We will rock you we are the champions.

[Alan Hahn]

There's nothing that's very good.

[Caller]

Everywhere.

[Alan Hahn]

Everywhere it is.

[Caller]

Here's another one. Everywhere. And I know this is a great song because Cypress Hill proved it at a concert. They said he told the be real, told all the people to, to drop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Down, kneel down, excuse me.

[Caller]

And when he started the song, they all went crazy. And that was Jump Around.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, Jump around is a good song, but it's.

[Michael Eaves]

But it's not, it's not pure rock and roll.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's a rap.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no, no.

[Caller]

But, but I mean, like, if you had to talk about like songs that are like, you know, forever songs. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

But there, there's not a rock and roll song.

[Caller]

I got you on that.

[Alan Hahn]

But, you know, but if you wanted to say like arena rock songs, like perfect songs for, for sports sporting events, it would definitely be up.

[Michael Eaves]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Jump around was amazing. Amazing. But will it make the list? We'll have to wait. Tomorrow at 4:30, we've got David Stearns, we got Carlos Mendoza, we've got knicks, we've got enn at 6. Don on a Rosenberg till 7 on ESPN.

[Michael Eaves]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to my Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Michael Eaves]

I don't want to know how the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Don Hahn]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.