Hour 2: Misiorowski & The NFL Binge

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary Episode: Hour 2: Misiorowski & The NFL Binge
Release Date: July 14, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don Hahn and Peter Rosenberg delve into the controversial selection of Jacob Mazeroski (referred to as Misiorowski) for the MLB All-Star Game. The discussion transitions into an extensive segment on the NFL, focusing on quarterback rankings and the New York Jets' recent developments. Throughout the episode, the hosts express their opinions on maintaining sports integrity versus embracing popular narratives.

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Main Discussion: All-Star Game Selection Controversy

Selection of Jacob Mazeroski The core of the episode revolves around the surprising inclusion of Jacob Mazeroski in the MLB All-Star Game despite his limited performance metrics. Mazeroski boasts a commendable 4.12 ERA over five starts, including innings without allowing a hit. However, his selection has sparked debate about whether such early career achievements warrant All-Star recognition.

• Don Hahn expresses skepticism:

  [02:52] “Your thoughts?”

• Peter Rosenberg highlights the novelty of the situation:

  [03:03] “The story is he was here for a minute. I know, but it was a big minute.”

Debate Over Deservedness The hosts discuss whether Mazeroski deserves his spot or if his selection is a narrative-driven decision rather than based on merit.

• Rosenberg questions the selection criteria:

  [05:09] “Because it doesn't make sense. That's why.”

• Hahn emphasizes the importance of earned recognition:

  [13:02] “Take your hat off and say, guys, I appreciate it, but listen, I'll go. I'll go hang out, but I should not be in that game.”

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Comparisons to Past Events

John Scott’s NHL All-Star Selection Rosenberg draws parallels between Mazeroski’s MLB selection and John Scott’s infamous NHL All-Star appearance. Scott, a minor league player with scant NHL experience, was fan-voted into the All-Star Game, leading to widespread mockery despite his underwhelming performance.

• Rosenberg recounts:

  [12:10] “He ended up playing 286 games. So whatever the number was, I think he ended up playing for one for Montreal after the All Star Game. And then his career was off.”

• Hahn reflects on the negative aftermath:

  [13:02] “He's gonna go to the mound now. He might have filthy stuff, but he…”

Implications for Sports Integrity The comparison underscores the tension between fan-driven selections and merit-based recognitions, raising concerns about the long-term impact on the sport’s credibility.

• Hahn states:

  [21:04] “Yeah.”

• Rosenberg adds:

  [21:17] “That's the problem with baseball. Everything is making it out of church, five appearances. Things are fun when they're stupid.”

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Critique of All-Star Game’s Criteria

Shift to Popularity and Storylines The hosts critique the evolving criteria for All-Star selections, arguing that the process has shifted from honoring the best performers to celebrating popular or sensational stories.

• Rosenberg criticizes:

  [16:24] “... it's becoming. This All Star Game that's supposed to be so special. Whoever starts isn't so much any kind of credibility. It's how many fans voted for no. So it becomes a popularity contest.”

• Hahn underscores the loss of standards:

  [17:42] “What is this? It's. Again, what is it supposed to represent? These are the best that we have now. You're right. It's already a mockery because we've...”

Consequences for the Sport The dilution of selection criteria may lead to a devaluation of the All-Star Game’s prestige and the athletes' achievements.

• Rosenberg reflects:

  [23:00] “That's the problem with baseball. Everything is making it out of church, five appearances. Things are fun when they're stupid.”

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NFL Binge: Jets and Quarterback Rankings

Focus on New York Jets Transitioning from MLB, the podcast shifts to NFL discussions, particularly focusing on the New York Jets' recent activities and quarterback situation.

• Rosenberg introduces the topic:

  [26:56] “Now, of course, Garrett Wilson went to Ohio State. Justin Fields went to Ohio State. So easy for them to be fans of each other.”

Garrett Wilson’s Contract and Team Dynamics The conversation highlights Garrett Wilson's four-year contract extension and explores the synergy between him and quarterback Justin Fields.

• Hahn remarks on the team’s tranquility:

  [35:02] “…there has been so much turmoil for the last two years with the jets...”

• Rosenberg discusses Wilson’s comfort:

  [30:06] “So he's comfortable now. Look, I'm not.”

Quarterback Rankings Debate A significant segment is dedicated to debating the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL, analyzing various players' performances and their standings.

• Hahn asks about ranking:

  [42:07] “So let's have fun, Don.”

• Rosenberg attempts to list and includes notable controversy over selections:

  [49:05] “But it makes sense. Show who's not in the top 10. That should be all right. You can't get mad that Geno Smith's not there...”

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Quarterback Rankings Analysis

Top 10 Quarterbacks Discussion The hosts collaboratively compile a list of the top 10 quarterbacks, debating the inclusion and exclusion of various players based on recent performances and potential.

• Rosenberg lists key quarterbacks:

  [42:54] “Right, so I got, I want to get this right. Okay.”

• Hahn offers insights on team performance:

  [43:18] “All right, well, I'll tell you what.”

Exclusion of Prominent Players The analysis includes scrutiny of why certain high-profile quarterbacks like Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert are ranked where they are, reflecting on their teams' dynamics and individual performances.

• Rosenberg expresses surprise:

  [46:37] “And I'll say this, I'll give him this. Allen, there's two honorable mentions. If you mention one of those three, I think I might give.”

• Hahn reacts to the rankings:

  [47:02] “He was unranked. Interesting, because I was thinking, all right, you got Stroud...”

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Conclusions

Preservation of Sports Integrity Both hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining high standards in sports recognitions like All-Star selections to preserve the credibility and honor of athletic achievements.

• Hahn concludes:

  [19:44] “All right, I'm. I'm just telling you that the minute we start changing the standards. But what is you can never bring it back.”

Entertainment vs. Meritocracy The episode underscores the ongoing balance between making sports entertaining and ensuring that recognitions are earned based on merit rather than popularity or fleeting narratives.

• Rosenberg reflects:

  [23:54] “Often, you could have. You could debate that. The other receiving votes...”

• Hahn encapsulates the dilemma:

  [19:58] “I never said that made sense.”

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg offers a robust discussion on the implications of selection processes in sports and transitions smoothly into an engaging segment on NFL quarterback rankings. The hosts balance their critique of current practices with an insightful analysis of player performances, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts interested in the intersection of merit and entertainment in modern athletics.

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Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn [05:09]:

  “Because it doesn't make sense. That's why.”

• Peter Rosenberg [13:02]:

  “Take your hat off and say, guys, I appreciate it, but listen, I'll go. I'll go hang out, but I should not be in that game.”

• Peter Rosenberg [16:24]:

  “... it's becoming. This All Star Game that's supposed to be so special. Whoever starts isn't so much any kind of credibility. It's how many fans voted for no. So it becomes a popularity contest.”

• Don Hahn [19:44]:

  “All right, I'm. I'm just telling you that the minute we start changing the standards. But what is you can never bring it back.”

• Peter Rosenberg [23:00]:

  “That's the problem with baseball. Everything is making it out of church, five appearances. Things are fun when they're stupid.”

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Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

It's a lot of work. It's a. You gotta describe every thing because you're trying to have conversations in between. That's the best part. It's like a lot of baseball talk and then you just keep hearing, right? You just keep hearing.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I mean, I would think. And I don't remember if I've ever heard it on the radio. I've watched it a few times. Berman was the standard back, back, back.

[Don Hahn]

Back, back, back, back, back.

[Rosenberg]

So is it Shombi guys doing the Home Run Derby? I guess it would be. No, of course. Guess we'll try to find out.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

But now if I were doing it, I'd probably do a talk show. You know, first half of the season, different things and then kind of set.

[Don Hahn]

And only say the ones that went out. Right. Because they'll tell you how far it is. Number eight for Lagreco. Okay.

[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

So you're not calling every single at bat until probably you get to the, to the final. Right?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Then it, then it becomes something.

[Don Hahn]

But it's, it makes it Fun radio.

[Rosenberg]

It's a lot. It's interesting. Fun radio. Definitely. Check it out.

[Don Hahn]

Sure.

[Rosenberg]

I want to get the, the callers involved in this as well. 1-800-919-3776 but I want to ask Alan about this. Jacob Mizaroski is off to an amazing start to his career. 4 and 1 2.81 earned run average in his five starts of his big league career. Did not allow a hit in the first 11 innings of his major league career. As a matter of fact, the only reason his earn run averages high is the Mets hit him.

[Don Hahn]

I remember that.

[Rosenberg]

So he is going to the All Star game. Boyd can't go for the Cubs because he pitched over the weekend. So someone who has pitched in five games is going to be on the National League All Star team. Your thoughts?

[Don Hahn]

Why?

[Rosenberg]

Well, because.

[Don Hahn]

Don't say because his teammates hurt and they need somebody to represent his team.

[Rosenberg]

No, because it's. Because he's a story.

[Don Hahn]

What's the story?

[Rosenberg]

The story is he was here for a minute. I know, but it was a big minute.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, this is not about the kid. He's 23, God bless him. He comes up to the majors and he's putting on a little show right now. Although he hasn't been totally clean like you said, the Mets smacked him around. Right?

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

So, no, I. Like. How is this okay? Are people okay with this? And I walk.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, I know Suarez isn't.

[Don Hahn]

There's.

[Rosenberg]

There's guys that want to go to the All Star Game that aren't going, that have actually played the entire first half season. He made 11 starts to this guy's five. Or, excuse me, 19 starts to his five. So, no, I can understand some players being, in a way about it.

[Don Hahn]

What are we doing?

[Rosenberg]

Well, here's what we're doing because I fundamentally agree with you.

[Don Hahn]

So you think this is right or do you think this is wrong?

[Rosenberg]

I just want to get this straight. Roxy Bernstein and Doug Glanville on the call for the home run.

[Don Hahn]

There you go. Okay.

[Rosenberg]

So I wanted to give them the love. You got it, Roxy. And they do a great job. And Doug's a local guy, Jersey guy. So we love that. Am I okay with it? First of all, I don't care. But if I were to care. Five just doesn't seem to be.

[Don Hahn]

Skeens was 11, right?

[Rosenberg]

Eleven, yes.

[Don Hahn]

And he was a phenom, like.

[Rosenberg]

And this kid's been a phenom, too. Like I said, the Mets got. But think about it. Did not allow a hit in his first 11 innings in the big leagues. Imagine getting called up. Now, it wasn't. I think it was spread over like two or three outings, but the fact is didn't allow hit his first 11amazing start to his career. I fundamentally agree with you. It doesn't seem right. But at the same time, like I said, with Juan Soto not going is like, did you really want Juan Soto who was the story of your off season not in the All Star Game.

[Don Hahn]

Nobody's happy about this. So I'm not nobody.

[Rosenberg]

Nobody's happy. But I kind of understand like Major League Baseball saying, listen, Boyd can't go. We put Peterson in because Ray had to pitch on Sunday against the Dodgers. So we're already expanding it out as it is. He's a big time story. How does it hurt?

[Don Hahn]

Because it doesn't make sense. That's why.

[Rosenberg]

Because it's the All Star.

[Don Hahn]

It's five games. He's not even been here for a minute. Is he even on the show? They have to create him. Like, you know the video.

[Rosenberg]

No, but isn't that even made?

[Don Hahn]

Is he even.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, I fundamentally agree with you.

[Don Hahn]

If you think that this is. If I'm just giving you like a mid take, like I'm not a big baseball guy who, what do I know? Here's Trey Turner. It's not the All Star Game in the sense that the best players go there or people who have had the best season. It's whoever sells the most tickets or has been put on social media the most. And as we know, this kid has been a social media sensation. That does happen. And that gets a little crazy. This is this, this is the quote that really gets me though more Phillies. Nick Castellanos said it's turning into the Savannah Bananas, which by the way, have you ever watched it? It's actually really interesting.

[Rosenberg]

My son watches it on YouTube.

[Don Hahn]

It is insanely. It is crazy, but it doesn't make it right. Dave Roberts, this is the manager of the Giants.

[Rosenberg]

Dodgers.

[Don Hahn]

It's Dodgers, right? Man, how could I get that wrong? There's a lot of things in baseball we've evolved as far as rules, rosters, pace of play and all that. Now when we get to All Star Game, I think there's things the Commissioner Players association are going to dig into. For me, it's kind of my North Star is the All Star Game should be the game's best players. I'm not mistaken, not wrong. I'm not mistaken. He's managing right.

[Rosenberg]

He's not wrong.

[Don Hahn]

It's about the fans and what the fans want to see. So there's a young kid named to the All Star. I couldn't be more excited for him. He's thrilled to Be here. I'm going to get him in there. Probably in the fifth or sixth inning, something like that. The seventh is going to be electric.

[Rosenberg]

Now, he seems on board with.

[Don Hahn]

He's. He's basically saying it should be about the stars, but. But I am going to get him in there, and it's going to be a lot of fun. But if I'm a major league baseball player, if I'm a pitcher on another.

[Rosenberg]

Team, Suarez is really upset.

[Don Hahn]

If I'm having a good season or we had to get a cub in. Why, this is stupid. And you know what? This is not about the kid. And it's almost unfair to him if you think about it. He's going to face backlash from other players, and it's not even his fault who chooses to send the player.

[Rosenberg]

But once you get to the reserves, it's up to the manager who's what.

[Don Hahn]

Dave Roberts is the one who chose this. You sure about that?

[Rosenberg]

Unless Major league both. Anthony, He's a reserve.

Yeah. But I think that baseball has a say in who goes as well at this point.

I understand what you're saying, but.

[Don Hahn]

So, guys, let's not get.

[Rosenberg]

Expand the rosters, whatever. You do have the. You do have a great story. You want to promote the great stories in your sport. I go back to John Scott in the NHL with the All Star.

[Don Hahn]

So. So Pat Murphy, the Brewers manager, he had the. He's the one, I think, that made this choice.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

I guess they needed to have somebody else. So he said that he wanted to tell it to the team first. Before he actually told Mezerosky about it, he said, I originally said, hey, what a great idea. Say no and say, hey, I'm not deserving. These other guys deserve it more than me. Pick one of my teammates. But then the more he thought about it, he said, is that really best for him? Best for the league. So again, even the manager was saying to the kid, the right thing to do here is to say thank you, but no other guys are more deserving. Therefore, it's acknowledged, but you're doing the right thing by staying humble. And then he said, you know what, though? What's best for baseball? This guy's a sensation right now. Everybody's talking about him. Let's put him in the game. You know why? This is why I have a strong opinion on this. Go all the way back to the 2012 season in the NBA, and right before the All Star, Jeremy Lin went on a tear of six games that. I mean, they're legend. Stuff of legends now. And Fans were saying that he should be in the All Star Game. Fans were clamoring for it. He was his. He was a social media superstar. The Knicks were on every national game because of him. He was leading Sports center because of shots he was making and points he was scoring. And it was an unbelievably glorious two weeks of basketball for him, for the Knicks, for all of it. And the NBA said no. They. They were.

[Rosenberg]

So he was in the. He was in the.

[Don Hahn]

He went. They put him in the futures and.

[Rosenberg]

Was he in the slam dunk or.

[Don Hahn]

No? No.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

They put him in the futures Game, which was, you know, again, the day before. And that's fine because he was considered a young player at the time and he was nudely. They put him in that game. But a lot of the vets and the NBA players, he was gonna. They were gonna make him an injury reserve. They were employed. Fans were begging it. They were. They were talking about it all on social media. I'll never forget it. And I remember talking to a lot of NBA guys who were like, they can't do this to him. They put him in this game. He's either gonna get frozen out or he's going to get picked on. Are they going to make an example of him? Like, no, no, no. You have to earn this. So he's going to go to the mound now. He might have filthy stuff, but he.

[Rosenberg]

Better bring it now.

[Don Hahn]

Like I'm telling you. I just. It's not. It's not the right thing to do to the kid. And the right thing for the kid to say should have been, I don't deserve this. It's too soon. Thank you, but no thanks. Someone else deserves it. Send somebody else and I get the amount of respect he would have gotten.

[Rosenberg]

He would have gotten a lot.

[Don Hahn]

And you know what he'll say, I'll go anyway. I'll go hang out, but I should not be in that game.

[Rosenberg]

Now. Repl. For injured or unavailable players are also chosen by the commissioner's office, often consulting with the players associated.

[Don Hahn]

Of course.

[Rosenberg]

Now, I was with you back when John Scott went to the All Star Game, if people don't remember that story, was back in the 2015-16 season, the.

[Don Hahn]

NHL All Star Game.

[Rosenberg]

He was an Arizona Coyote. And just before the All Star Game, he got traded to the Montreal Canadiens. But Arizona decided, the fans decided to go crazy and vote this guy into.

[Don Hahn]

The All Star Game.

[Rosenberg]

I remember having the same opinion as you. He doesn't deserve it. He was. He never scored more than was it like three goals in the NHL. He was not a great player by any stretch. The fans kind of mocked the whole process by seeing, let's see if we can get him in. And it was almost became ineligible because he ended up getting traded to Montreal. So they were seeing like, maybe we just won't make him ineligible. And they decided, you know what, we're going to have him go in. He scores two goals, he gets like the mvp. I was just looking it up. His helmet from that game is in the hall of Fame. It became like the story of the All Star Game. And you know what generic nobody cares about moment. And it became something that went viral. People loved it.

[Don Hahn]

What's different? How long was he in the league?

[Rosenberg]

Well, he was in the league for a while.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he was an older guy.

[Rosenberg]

Well, he played. He ended up playing 286 games. So whatever the number was, I think he ended up playing for one for Montreal after the All Star Game. And then his career was off.

[Don Hahn]

The other All Stars made it a point to make it about him, right? They rallied around it. They thought it was great because here's a guy that had paid his dues, he'd been in the minors, he fought his way up, literally, right? And they were like, let's give him a day. Let's. This is a lifetime for him. We're all going to be back every other year. This guy, this is a moment. And they did it. They rallied around. This is different. This is a 23 year old who, if he's as good as his stuff is showing, he'll be here soon enough. I'm telling you, the advice that, that Murphy said was the advice that his agent and everybody else should have followed.

[Rosenberg]

And that's the right thing to do. I get. It's the right thing to do.

[Don Hahn]

Take your hat off and say, guys, I appreciate it, but listen, I'll go. If you want me to make appearances, I'll go. I'll be around the game. So you can, you know, if you, if you want to utilize my presence on social media. But I do not belong in that game. I have not earned it yet. I've only pitched in five games.

[Rosenberg]

I understand, you got to admit, but in a.

[Don Hahn]

That's the right thing to do. Respect those above you. I understand.

[Rosenberg]

And some players are upset about it, but there's also some players that like don't want to go.

[Don Hahn]

His own teammates, though, yell, oh, you mean don't want to go?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, they don't want to go or complain about this or won't appear in the game. But I kind of look at the broad scope of it and I go, it's one of the great stories of the first half of the season. This kid, five games, Don, I get it, but it's a great story. It's five games, but it's a story. And now it gets people talking. And I wish. And I said this about Soto. I think it's ridiculous.

[Don Hahn]

Soto isn't there.

[Rosenberg]

Skeens. But he also only 11. Was that.

[Don Hahn]

Was that fair?

[Rosenberg]

It's 11.

[Don Hahn]

At least it's 11.

[Rosenberg]

I know, but what is that?

[Don Hahn]

I can't half a pitching.

[Rosenberg]

I can't defend it.

[Don Hahn]

At least it's a month.

[Rosenberg]

But it's an exhibition where we make up these silly rules. Like, why can't you expand the roster? Like in moments when the commissioner can go, all right, you voted for your All Stars, who are going to start, and then the reserves are decided. But what we're going to do is from the commissioner's office, say, you know what? We want Juan Soto in the game. He's a great story. Let's put him in. Skeens is a great story. Let's put him in. Mazeroski is a great story. Let's put him in. Like, what does it matter? It's not our actual game that means anything. It's supposed to be a way in the middle of the season, in the middle of summer, to promote your sport, to promote the best aspects of the sport. Is it that terrible of a thing that the kids of phenom didn't allow a hit his first 11 innings in the bigs to just say, hey, and the guys that deserve, let's get them in there, too. So maybe you expand it out a little bit. It's a great story. And is it really the end of the world? The players association agreed to it. I hear what you're saying, but you also want to promote your sport, don't you?

[Don Hahn]

You know, everybody play, whoever who can make it. But come on, we're having our convention this weekend. Those who want to go on vacation, go ahead. Anybody want to play?

[Rosenberg]

No, but that's not the same All Stars anymore. That's not to be able to say this is a special kind of cool moment.

[Don Hahn]

Who's viral? You guys come.

[Rosenberg]

But it's not viral for the wrong reasons. It's not some kid that did something stupid.

[Don Hahn]

They didn't do anything stupid.

[Rosenberg]

It's actually just amazing start to a career. I don't think it's that big of a deal if it gets people talking if it gets eyeballs to watch the game. Is it that wrong of a thing? I brought up the John Scott. I said it was embarrassing that a guy that barely was actually demoted, sent down to the minors because he wasn't good enough to play in the NHL, goes to the All Star Game under unusual circumstances because fans wanted to get him in there. And it becomes a story that a decade later, people are still talking about how is that bad for the football?

[Don Hahn]

Because he paid his dues. He's a guy that was a lifer that paid his dues. This guy's 23 years old, and he was called up and gave you five appearances. Five, right?

[Rosenberg]

Five. Unbelievable. Like, well, at least four before he got hit by the.

[Don Hahn]

You know what? Next year he'll be the story of the all. Say, hey, remember this kid that came up last year? And then this year he's just. He's the talk of the town.

[Rosenberg]

I just. I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

I don't like this because you.

[Rosenberg]

But think of. But I don't like it from his perspective. This. You're talking now.

[Don Hahn]

We don't have to. We don't have to earn anything anymore. You're up for a minute and skyrocket you right to the front of the line. You don't think that's something wrong with.

[Rosenberg]

That, but you don't think that there's something wrong that this. This sport, right? This All Star Game that's supposed to be so special. Whoever starts isn't so much any kind of credibility. It's how many fans voted for no. So it becomes a popularity contest.

[Don Hahn]

You know, Max Freed did tell school, do you want to start?

[Rosenberg]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

And school's like, no, no, you. You deserve it. I didn't ask you if I deserved.

[Rosenberg]

But that's. Who's gonna start the game.

[Don Hahn]

Do you want to start right? Because I think you deserve to.

[Rosenberg]

And that was a cool thing for freedom.

[Don Hahn]

He told them, I want you starting in school was appreciative. Like, that's. That's how you figure all that stuff out. You know why? Because Freed knew I shouldn't be starting this game. That guy's been unbelievable. He's been great this season.

[Rosenberg]

He starts up to the manager, and then the players have a right approach you. I remember the one year when the All Star Game was in Cincinnati and the entire infield were Cincinnati Reds because the fans all voted. They wanted to see their favorite players play in their building. So it becomes a popularity contest. Who played how many games in the first half of the season had, like, 124 bats. But the games in Atlanta, we all.

[Don Hahn]

Agree that doesn't make sense.

[Rosenberg]

But it's all under a pretense of a popularity contest. Let's not make it into something that it's not.

[Don Hahn]

All right, I'm. I'm just telling you that the minute we start changing the standards. But what is you can never bring it back.

[Rosenberg]

Is there? All I know is all bets are off. You're telling me. And again, that's not coming from that Juan Soto's not in this game.

[Don Hahn]

It doesn't make sense.

[Rosenberg]

But you're blow. But the whole thing doesn't make sense. So what does it matter at the end of the day that one of the premier players in baseball, the story of the offseason, Juan Soto, signed the biggest contract in the history of baseball, not in the All Star Game.

[Don Hahn]

He should be.

[Rosenberg]

To me, you could talk about standards. Where's the standard there?

[Don Hahn]

Exactly.

[Rosenberg]

So at this point, if Major League Baseball sees a fun story, a cool.

[Don Hahn]

Story, just gonna keep doing the wrongs.

[Rosenberg]

But don't try to make the All Star Game into anything that's right. Because five minutes after it's over, who's going to care? We've always joked about, oh, he was a 13 time all star. Yeah. How many times did he make the All Star team because seven of the guys were hurt or seven other guys didn't feel like going? Like, who even remembers? At the end of the day, it.

[Don Hahn]

Just now has become a point where if next year, hypothetically, there's a guy that gets called up and in one game he hits for the cycle, steals a base or whatever, he just like, he's got the crowd buzzing and then he gets sent back down. Right. Like I'd say like the next game, they just brought him up like real quick. And it's like, you know what, he really lit the crowd up that night. We got to put him in the All Star Game. That. That is now what it's becoming. It has become. All right, so now it's no longer about your stars. Now it's going to be the celebrity game.

[Rosenberg]

This is just a popular right now. I understand it's trending right now.

[Don Hahn]

That's the society we're in right now. Who's trending right now. Not who has earned it, not who has worked their way to it. It's who's who's hot now. Let's get him right there on the front burner as fast as we can so we could take advantage of whatever's left of the meteor that he is.

[Rosenberg]

That's all it's ever been about.

[Don Hahn]

As has not always ever been about that. It has always been about the stars in the sport, the guys who are the best at what they do.

[Rosenberg]

I understand.

[Don Hahn]

And he right now is off to a good start, but he did get smacked around by the Mets.

[Rosenberg]

It's supposed to be about the five.

[Don Hahn]

Appearances, but one of them wasn't very good.

[Rosenberg]

It's supposed to be about bets, what they do. Oh, but we need a Rocky, so let's get a rock. Every team has to be represented.

[Don Hahn]

I never said that made sense.

[Rosenberg]

All right. Or let's go seven rungs down because guys are hurt or guys pitched on Saturday or Sunday, so the whole thing doesn't make sense. But a guy Misorapsky comes up, he's 4 1. He has struck out 33 batters in 251 2/3 innings. He didn't allow a hit his first 11 innings of his major league career. So don't make it out like, oh, he hit for the cycle. He was a phenom. He was a story. And after injury and after guys pitching on the weekend, they wedged him in at the last minute. Is it that big of a frigging deal? When you're a sport that's trying to get some traction, trying not to be a regional sport to get people to care? Is it that big of a deal?

[Don Hahn]

Well, I'll tell you what.

[Rosenberg]

My God, when the standard is completely.

[Don Hahn]

Blown up, he comes in for one inning, he better mow everybody down.

[Rosenberg]

We might maybe get that moment like Doc Gooden where he stuck out the side in the All Star. Get a moment.

[Don Hahn]

He better.

[Rosenberg]

What is so wrong with that? Instead of being the old stuffy. Well, it's really for the best of the best in the All Star Game. Soto's not there. Acuna is only there despite only 124at bats. Because the game's in Atlanta.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

That doesn't mean every team has to be represented.

[Don Hahn]

No garbage. You add all. But what you're adding to it is the fact that we just keep. We keep chipping away at some type of standard of excellence.

[Rosenberg]

What is this?

[Don Hahn]

What do you mean? It's. Again, what is it supposed to represent? These are the best that we have now. You're right. It's already a mockery because we've. The Rockies are an embarrassing franchise with an embarrassing season. That jersey should not. Nobody should be wearing a ball cap or jersey. Nobody. But they should be. No, you know what? You're not invited to the party. Because you suck this year. You shouldn't be here. You don't deserve to be here. But we got to have somebody anyway. If I was the guy they said I'd be like, yeah, so if I'm good. So I'm going to be in shadows over here. I'm not signing autographs because I don't want to beat anybody to know I'm on the Rockies because I know the conversation is going to be, man, your team stinks. I don't want to be there. But this kid, if this was your son, wouldn't you tell him, like, listen, son, it's probably best to just stay humble here and just say, I haven't earned this yet. I've just been here for a minute.

[Rosenberg]

And it makes him look classy. No question it's the right thing to do. But what's right or wrong when all kinds of wrongs are going on anyway? You talk about a standard has been soiled to begin with.

[Don Hahn]

So then why.

[Rosenberg]

And you've got a story. Do you realize that most of the people watching this game may not know half the guys that are in the game? It's not like it was when we were growing up.

[Don Hahn]

I know.

[Rosenberg]

All right? The sport has been watered down with all the expansion as players up and down. It's not like the days where I can name, like, everybody on the roster. No, it's not that way anymore. The game has kind of fallen off in that sense. So if you can get people excited about it, what's so wrong with that?

[Don Hahn]

I don't remember pitchers being named to the All Star Game in the old days and saying, I can't go. I don't remember this.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Because it's.

[Rosenberg]

It's all different now. That's what I'm saying. Don't hold it to the standard. It existed. That existed was stuff in ballot boxes at the A and P back in the day.

[Don Hahn]

I know it's the damn All Star Game here.

[Rosenberg]

That's the problem with baseball. Everything is making it out of church, five appearances. Things are fun when they're stupid.

Okay.

All right. Sometimes I just want to sit there and watch Biodome. I know it's a bad movie. I know it's terribly written and acted, but sometimes instead of sitting there where my brain hurts, watching a classic for two and a half hours, sometimes I just want the mind numbing Biodome. All right? What's so wrong with just saying, you know what? I just want to watch the game and be entertained for frig's sake, instead of having to watch everything be church and there be standards and there be everybody be happy and the right thing to happen. Sometimes I just want the damn movie.

[Don Hahn]

To be stupid, okay?

[Rosenberg]

I just want to sit there and watch a stupid movie and I want to watch Bio Dome. And even though it is complete pap and garbage and everybody in it should be embarrassed, they even agreed to be a part of it for some reason. When it's on, I watch 45 minutes of it because every once in a while I just want my brain to shut down and just be entertained. That's what the All Star game is. I don't have to sit there and worry about ops and hitting with runners in scoring position, how many games my team's out. I just want to see stories and relax. And then five minutes after it's over, I can pretend it didn't happen.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, well, that's life. If you want.

[Rosenberg]

Give me that.

[Don Hahn]

You got stupid.

[Rosenberg]

Well, you know what? Fine. Because you know what? Sometimes stupid is fun.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

That's right. NFL is getting closer. Allen told me during the meeting.

[Don Hahn]

You know it's football season next week, right?

[Rosenberg]

Camps are opening, things are happening, and Anthony Pusick has it all.

Oh, thank you, Don. Let's start local, shall we? We could talk some jets. Brian Costello, Interesting article in the New York Post over the weekend titled Justin Fields quietly winning over jets teammates as a leader on and off the field. Now, of course, Garrett Wilson went to Ohio State. Justin Fields went to Ohio State. So easy for them to be fans of each other.

[Don Hahn]

Seeing Rucker too, right? The tight end. Jeremy Rucker from Long island, another Ohio State product who they were teammates together.

[Rosenberg]

So not shocking.

So Wilson talking about Fields, guys come up to me and say, that's my guy. I already know it's been super cool. He's got a different way about him. He's more quiet when it comes to getting to know people. It's not going to be that first day, but when it does click, it's like, man, this dude's super cool. Like, super cool. Breece hall added, don't you think Anthony.

[Don Hahn]

Needs better inflection when he's reading quotes?

[Rosenberg]

Are you criticizing our guy on the air?

[Don Hahn]

Did you hear it, though?

[Rosenberg]

Take him aside.

Listen, I'm not a talent, you know what I mean?

Like.

[Don Hahn]

Like, just give me. Put a little personal. Like, what do you. How do you think he said that? He's super cool. He's super cool. I shot the clerk. I shot the clerk.

[Rosenberg]

I knowing Anthony, I think he realizes as I'm kind of thinking, who cares? This is BS quotes.

I mean, I'm kind of glad.

What are you going to be? This would be a story of like.

[Don Hahn]

Is that why. You know what?

[Rosenberg]

He stinks.

I didn't know he was still in the league he's doing here.

[Don Hahn]

So you're reading it completely. Like, I love closed off emotionally.

[Rosenberg]

Here's Breece hall talking about Justin Fields. You know, he gets hyped like everybody else. He's young like us. Oh, so we talk about a lot of the same stuff, like Love Island.

Here's a quote.

He didn't say that.

Here's something. Last week when I was doing the media for the Devil's gig, there was A quote out there that I don't know if anybody saw. I think Don legreca is the greatest play by play guy that I've ever heard. I think the Devils are lucky to have him. What took so long? Don's mom.

Look, I'm not denying, but clearly. And Alan sent this to me. He was very excited about it. And me and Don kind of feel the same way about because. Yes, Garrett Wilson and his good friend Justin Fields are getting along. And Breece hall has noticed that Justin Fields is a little younger than Aaron Rodgers. We're still in the honeymoon phase of this whole thing, aren't we? Everything's great, it's new. If I remember, everybody loved Aaron Rodgers when he got there. He wasn't too old or anything like that.

[Don Hahn]

You don't find it.

[Rosenberg]

First of all, it's better than the alternatives.

[Don Hahn]

Garrett, as we know, at the end of the season was at a crossroads, was he not? Oh, it's future.

[Rosenberg]

His jets future. Sure.

[Don Hahn]

The whole idea of like, do I really want to be here? And the offense. What, he wasn't a favorite of that. He and Rogers were really sniping at each other on the field. Towards the end of the season, they had a hard time getting on the same page. Not relatable. And Breece is another example of a, of a young player who is realizing that, you know, it's a little more fun when we're all on the same level and we're not bowing down to this legendary quarterback who is a do as I say, not as I do personality. Right?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So that Jet locker room, especially on the offensive side, is going to have a much different vibe than it did in the last two years.

[Rosenberg]

So you mentioned your own five.

Garrett Wilson is very comfortable.

[Don Hahn]

You're right.

[Rosenberg]

So comfortable, in fact, that on our TV, on NFL Live, ESPN's Adam Schefter is reporting. Garrett Wilson's agreed to a four year, 130 million dollar contract extension with the New York Jets. $90 million guaranteed.

[Don Hahn]

That's been.

[Rosenberg]

So he's comfortable now. Look, I'm not.

[Don Hahn]

That's not nothing.

[Rosenberg]

If you're telling me that no matter what happens, that getting Justin Fields and getting a quarterback that makes him, that makes Garrett Wilson comfortable allowed you to sign one of the better young wide receivers in the league. That's awesome. I'm not gonna get overly crazy about the comments that they're making about their former teammate.

Well, here's the thing. They chose. They could have brought Aaron Rodgers back. They chose not to, right? Yeah. They didn't have to go out and get Justin Fields. No, they did.

[Don Hahn]

No, they did not.

[Rosenberg]

So I would expect everybody is happy with the decisions, otherwise they wouldn't have made these decisions.

You want to text Garrett Allen, see if he wants to come on.

How is that relationship going? All right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we're good.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not getting any luck. You're always talking about the comparison. How about this? That was a. That was a Barton Hahn vehicle. I'm not feeling any Garrett Wilson love.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I mean, the season hasn't started yet.

[Rosenberg]

You mentioned Jeremy.

What did you say today? What did you say to me today?

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Rosenberg]

Now it started. You see what we do here.

Football season.

[Don Hahn]

I have a feeling we will not be invited to jets camp though. Because you're not Bart. Bart's always going to get the first.

[Rosenberg]

I'll email Jared.

I'll go all the first. Can't wait. All I know is I put a.

[Don Hahn]

Jersey on the field.

[Rosenberg]

Was he not a Raven? He's a Jet and he was a former Raven. I did the only time I did NFL pre imposed.

I don't think he was ever.

16 years with the Jets. Did he spend 16 years with the Jets? All right. Did he have to take phone calls after like a 9 nothing loss? Did. Did. Did Bart Scott ever have to come up with a player of the game or. Or have to navigate through. Let's go with the highlights in a 9 nothing loss to the Packers. No, Greg and I did my favorite.

[Don Hahn]

Greg Buttle.

[Rosenberg]

I'm bigger.

[Don Hahn]

Hang on.

[Rosenberg]

Than Bart Scott.

[Don Hahn]

Don't put you. Greg Buttle is a different category. Don, I'll just say this. Thank you for your service.

[Rosenberg]

You know what, I'm just saying I could walk right in there and I should be respected.

[Don Hahn]

Do it.

[Rosenberg]

And the fact that. Oh, Don, you're not Bart Scott. Damn right I'm not Bart Scott.

I remember when.

[Don Hahn]

Let's see who goes.

[Rosenberg]

Me and Ray died. They would break my legs.

Me and Ray D did a preseason game, one of the preseason games. And Dan and Greg on the pregame show had to name a player of the game to play, to watch, who to watch for. And Greg said any of the tight ends didn't even know which one was playing.

All I know is did Bart Scott ever after a loss in the regular season have the cachet in the post game that the player of the game was Greg and I for having to watch it.

[Don Hahn]

That is actually one of your better moments. I will say that.

[Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

I will say that.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, it's so easy to do. Can't wait when you're on your way to the division.

[Don Hahn]

It was not easy to go to Foxborough and win a not easy game after losing as big as they lost.

[Rosenberg]

But you know what? Do a post game after a 35 nothing loss and have to take phone calls from people that want everyone fine.

Well, here's another teammate. As Alan mentioned, Jeremy, I'm just trying.

Not to the value my efforts for 16 years.

[Don Hahn]

I was just saying that we, you.

[Rosenberg]

Know, some of those seasons it was.

[Don Hahn]

Like, Bernie, listen, by the way, who are you talking to when it comes to the winter. The winter. The winters are from nowhere.

[Rosenberg]

Long Island.

[Don Hahn]

I was the winter soldier here. And you never take calls. True.

[Rosenberg]

That'd be funny.

[Don Hahn]

Imagine if we did though.

[Rosenberg]

Could you imagine rating calls in the Knicks post after a 19 win season after Alonzo Trier?

Technically they did. They would go on with Larry Hardesty and drive home and they would always sound depressed.

[Don Hahn]

You would call into those guys all the time.

[Rosenberg]

It was so classy of you. What do you mean that you'd call in after that?

[Don Hahn]

It was like almost like venting. It was, it was like, seriously, when you, you ever have. I guess you can relate. You ever be so pent up and you need to release so bad that when you finally get a chance to release and you have the opportunity to do it, you take it?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, exactly.

[Don Hahn]

And that's. That's what I did. Scary move all over Larry and Gordon.

[Rosenberg]

I remember when one night Al got driven home and we go, Al's in the car. Hey, Larry. Al Trotwig in the distance.

No, because there would be times I'd be leaving, driving home, listen to Larry and Gordon after a Ranger game. But the Knicks also played. So I'd hear all those calls.

I'll give, I'll give one. I'll give Alan credit for one. Jeremy Ruckert, of course, also a teammate of just a Fields at Ohio State does say something that I think is worth mentioning. Nothing's going to rattle him. He's good for this team and this area and he wants the pressure. He's built for it. Again, what are you going to say? He's not built for it. He doesn't want the pressure. No, but I think that that's.

I like what they did. I think he's a good quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

I agree there's a lot of anticipation, excitement and like, what can he become? This is an opportunity and he's got plenty of support for him to do it. And so that's the story going into jets camp that right there that Garrett Wilson's happy now he's paid, so he's even more happy. Sauce. Did he get paid yet?

[Rosenberg]

I don't believe so.

[Don Hahn]

All right, so he's probably next, but, like, that's the idea, is that there's been so much turmoil for the last two years with the jets, or let's say two decades, and this feels like it's quieted down. Aaron Glenn has kind of, you know, circled the wagons and there seems to be a lot more tranquility within the organization. And you're right. When they go.05, how will they sound?

[Rosenberg]

I don't. I've been around it long enough. I'm not just picking on the jets, everybody.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

There's always going to be optimism. Otherwise you wouldn't have made the moves you made, Right? Of course there's going to be optimism. You chose to let Robert Sala go, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You chose to make the moves you did and bring in Aaron Glenn. So, of course everything's going to be Kumbaya.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

It's supposed to be. Now. Let's play. Let's see what it looks like. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Of course.

[Rosenberg]

And I think that the expectations are probably on the lower side, so he has a chance to exceed them and not disappoint anybody after what's happened the last couple of years.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

I like what they're doing, but I'm. I've been around too long to start believing in any hype that's coming from within the hype machine. That's what their job is. Everybody's excited. Everybody's fired up.

[Don Hahn]

Let's just say I read this. This Costello on Saturday. It was in the Saturday New York Post, and I was chilling out reading it and I fell for it. I got all excited.

[Rosenberg]

Nice.

[Don Hahn]

Because I have not had much jets movement.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

It's been. It's been a while since I've had any Jeff movement.

[Rosenberg]

Probably two years.

[Don Hahn]

That was the first jets movement I had.

[Rosenberg]

No, it is.

[Don Hahn]

Since probably right before when Rogers ran out with the flag was the last movement I had.

[Rosenberg]

And that's.

[Don Hahn]

That was.

[Rosenberg]

That was the longest game in history that me and Ray ever did. That took a long time.

All about.

They won that game.

The machine.

[Don Hahn]

It's so crazy.

[Rosenberg]

But again, it's. It's all about what you do. All right? What it looks like at the end of the season, not what's being hyped up before the season.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks, dad.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I'm just. You should know. You should be telling me this. I've seen my team win a super Bowl.

Oh, my God.

Four of them.

[Don Hahn]

Did he.

[Rosenberg]

I'm just saying. He should be telling me this.

[Don Hahn]

Did he just Yankee?

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Don Hahn]

No, you just went Yankee.

[Rosenberg]

No, I'm just saying I. I should be.

[Don Hahn]

No, you did. He should be telling.

[Rosenberg]

Who's telling who about disappointment. Who's telling who about the hype machine. I. You should be telling me. Don, relax. Oh, I said I shouldn't be telling you.

[Don Hahn]

Listen to this guy. All of a sudden.

[Rosenberg]

I'm very uncomfortable right now.

Why are you uncomfortable?

I don't know.

I just. I don't want Alan to be disappointed. Disappointed? But he got all excited.

Well, look, I think Alan mentioned before this, Don, that he's not going to get overly hyped by this season.

Well, he's already left.

But he's.

[Don Hahn]

You know, this is football. We all do this.

[Rosenberg]

And I'm telling you not to.

[Don Hahn]

We all do it. It doesn't matter because.

[Rosenberg]

Because I. I'm not a fan. But I.

[Don Hahn]

This is the year, Donnie. I can feel it.

[Rosenberg]

Four preseason games. The weeklies on the Case show. I lived it. I'm telling you, I lived it.

[Don Hahn]

I have, too. All of it.

[Rosenberg]

And so you should be telling me. You should be telling Anthony.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You should be telling Jacob in the audience. But no, you read an article in the poc. Costello wrote an article. And not. Though it moved, like, to Suffolk. It moved to Fire Island.

[Don Hahn]

Well, for you, all of a sudden, Fire Island. But anyway, I mean. I mean, it's hanging on the dock. Let's just say. Let's just say that you could. Right. It has moorings. And if you needed to pull your.

[Rosenberg]

Boat out, it's got a dinghy. Got its own dinghy.

Jeremy Fowler. You know who does the work? Jeremy Fowler. No hyperbole here. He's been doing a list, polling the executives around the league. Scouts, coaches.

No. You know what I want to do?

Tell me.

You know what? I want to tease this. I want to bring it back.

Okay, so There's a top 10 quarterbacks in the league right now.

Let me see if I. Because I did not look at the list.

You didn't look at the list. We'll do that on the other.

Let me see if I can do it.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

All right. We had a lot of fun with the NFL binge. Brought Mike Brownshire into the fold. That's how big it was.

[Don Hahn]

Oh wow. He's all excited but he's dancing to right now. He loves studio.

[Rosenberg]

He's requesting a clip of that last segment.

Awesome.

[Don Hahn]

Why?

[Rosenberg]

Because it was fun and he was mentioned and his daughter was mentioned. So why not? Oh, that's Fire island was mentioned. Very important.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, Fire Island. I mean, honestly, what you were saying though, in referencing him, I don't know. He's cool with.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know what's going to come out of my mouth in segments like that. It was just all pouring out. But we wanted to continue like the NFL binge part do because we never got to what was the money of it and that was the top 10 quarterbacks and the list was sent to me, but I was very busy. I had a doctor's appointment today, had a lot going on so I didn't get a chance to see the top 10, which is great because you saw it, Alan. And of course Anthony has it. So Jeremy Fowler has his top 10.

Now it is not. He has curated it. Executives, coaches and scouts ranked the quarterback.

The top 10 so I have not seen the list.

He is the authority on getting it together.

[Don Hahn]

There's in the top 10, there's one quarterback that I can understand it, but I still think it's like this is again like the kid going to the all star game in baseball. Like, can we just have more than just a minute?

[Rosenberg]

So let's have fun, Don.

[Don Hahn]

So let's have fun.

[Rosenberg]

All right. I'm not going to give you an order because that would just be too.

Okay.

Too crazy. But I, I don't want to forget anybody. So I do have the, the teams up so that I won't hopefully forget.

I feel like top four.

All right, well, no necessary order. You're obviously going to have Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen. Bing bang. Right?

Correct. And correct.

Jackson Bing.

He is on there. Yes, he is Number four.

Number four. So who is better? This is almost, almost a three time mvp. It's one, two.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Rosenberg]

All right, so I got, I want to get this right.

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

I never heard anybody say, you know, I don't mind getting this wrong.

[Rosenberg]

No. But so Joe Burrow is probably.

That is correct. He's number three.

Number three.

So there's your four. And I think everybody could agree now that that is your four. Interchangeable however you want to.

[Don Hahn]

No matter how you put them, you would probably say those are the four best quarterbacks. And the amazing thing is that out of them isn't Burrow the one guy in the worst situation? And yet there's so much respect for what he does.

[Rosenberg]

It's been amazing. He's been to a Super bowl and.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he's been to a Super bowl, but he's also not even made the playoffs. Incredible.

[Rosenberg]

Now it becomes interesting.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

All right, well, I'll say this, by the way. Last year Burrow was two, Allen was three. So they flipped.

[Don Hahn]

All right, so you got the top.

[Rosenberg]

Four right now you got to have the Super Bowl MVP in there somewhere. So I would say Jalen Hurts is definitely in the top 10.

He is. He is number nine.

[Don Hahn]

This is insane. Yeah, see, see what I mean?

[Rosenberg]

Hang on, hang on.

[Don Hahn]

See what I mean?

[Rosenberg]

So they have other things.

[Don Hahn]

Wait till you see who's above him.

[Rosenberg]

He was an honorable mention last year. His highest ranking this year was sixth. His lowest ranking. Unranked.

[Don Hahn]

Damn.

[Rosenberg]

Somebody did not put. And unranked, I believe means not in the top 10.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

So not top 10 according to one scout executive coach.

So. All right, so. So we. But so I got half of them. All right, so that's 50% the role of Peter Rosenberg will be played by Don legreca. And I would say that Jaden Daniels is on in the top 10.

And I guess they were stuffing the ballot boxes in the amp. He's fifth.

[Don Hahn]

That doesn't make like. Come on.

[Rosenberg]

Top five.

[Don Hahn]

This is where.

[Rosenberg]

Highest ranking, five, lowest ranking.

[Don Hahn]

Peter. Peter needs to be here for this. But I'm glad he's not. Just so I don't have to hear any rebuttal. That is insane.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Way too hot. It's one year.

[Rosenberg]

Now it becomes. Now it becomes interesting.

Well, you already have. So, Don, can you actually comment on.

[Don Hahn]

The fact that he's 5.

[Rosenberg]

He's 5 and 4 higher than Jalen hurts.

[Don Hahn]

You have no reaction to that?

[Rosenberg]

Well, my reaction is surprised. Well, wait a minute. Once he. Once he told me Hertz is nine, I'm like, they probably have Daniels ahead of Hertz. So now I start to think, well, who should be there instead of him? All right. Because now it just becomes interesting. Right? Like.

[Don Hahn]

All right, well, I'll tell you what.

[Rosenberg]

The Justin Herbert is, I would think is in the top 10, correct. If you've got Hertz at nine.

Now, do you think he's higher or lower than Hertz, essentially? Do you think he's 10, or do you think he's better or higher? Let's not say you think he's better.

I would say. You know what? I would probably say they have him higher.

He is seven.

All right.

His highest ranking, and this is, in my opinion, a little crazy, was three. Somebody viewed him, executive coach scout, as the third best quarterback.

Okay.

And lowest ranking.

So now we're getting into the Goff Stafford of it all. All right.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Rosenberg]

I would think golf has to be in there considering how good Detroit has been.

Mm.

[Don Hahn]

He's number eight, which is about right.

[Rosenberg]

Highest ranking, five. Lowest ranking, unranked. Last year he was ranked ninth.

So now. So I'm six for six. So I need four more. Right. And I still need number two.

[Don Hahn]

I think there's one. He's not getting out of the 10.

[Rosenberg]

I think since I mentioned Stafford Goff, I gotta get Matthew Stafford.

Stafford is 6. Last year he was 5. His highest ranking this year was 4. His lowest ranking was unranked.

[Don Hahn]

So that's 9. Right.

[Rosenberg]

Did he get. No, I'm 7 for 7. I don't have 10. You don't. I don't have 7.

No, you have 7.

You have 7.

You pick Justin Herbert. You have. You have.

[Don Hahn]

You have all of them.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, he doesn't have all of them. He's missing one, he has Patrick Mahomes at one. He has Josh Allen at two. He has Joe Burrow. Three, Lamar Jackson four. He mentioned Jaden Daniels at five, Stafford six, Herbert seven, Goff eight and Hertz nine. You need the 10th.

[Don Hahn]

You're missing one.

[Rosenberg]

By the way.

This is the one that you're.

[Don Hahn]

I don't think you're getting it.

[Rosenberg]

And I'll say this, I'll give him this. Allen, there's two honorable mentions. If you mention one of those three, I think I might give.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I'll give it to him. I'll give it to him because I.

[Rosenberg]

Think there's room for interpretation.

[Don Hahn]

You have three chances to get one right.

[Rosenberg]

It.

[Don Hahn]

I think this one's a surprise.

[Rosenberg]

I'll give a hint.

[Don Hahn]

I'll give a hint.

[Rosenberg]

It's not a hint that's going to give anything away. All right, Last year this quarterback was unranked. So he has moved into the top half.

He was unranked. Interesting, because I was thinking, all right, you got Stroud. And I would think coming off the season he had the year before, if he wasn't ranked this past season is not going to get him in there. So that takes him out. I would think. I wouldn't think Brock Purdy would be in there. Geno Smith. No, because again, he had a great season the year before. If he was unranked, he's not going to move back into it. So considering he was unranked and considering that a season that he had last year, I'm going to have to go, oh, do I dare go there? Oh, do I dare go there?

[Don Hahn]

I would encourage you to be daring.

[Rosenberg]

I am gonna have to go.

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I don't.

[Rosenberg]

I want to go 10 for 10.

This is big.

I'm going to go. Considering with the little hint, I'm going to go Sam Darnold at 10.

Sam Darnold is not number 10. CJ Stroud was an honorable mention.

All right, so my logic was. So then, then based on he was not ranked.

[Don Hahn]

You're missing. And I'm this, you're missing one name that was.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, you know who it's going to be because he wasn't ranked last year and now he moves in. Baker Mayfield.

That is correct. Baker Mayfield. And the other honorable mention was Jordan Love.

[Don Hahn]

Jordan Love. I thought, I thought that's the one you.

[Rosenberg]

Well, the reason I didn't say Jordan Love is because if he wasn't ranked, what happened last year wasn't going to get him in because I wasn't. I had Love when I was Listing them. I'm like, where am I going to put love? Where am I going to put love? And then I lost confidence when I saw that Hertz was nine. But then I thought because he threw like 35 touchdown passes, wasn't ranked last year, I thought maybe Sam Darnold would be in there. But you know what? Baker Mayfield.

[Don Hahn]

Baker Mayfield.

[Rosenberg]

But it makes sense. Show who's not in the top 10. That should be all right. You can't get mad that Geno Smith's not there. You can't get mad that Brock Purdy's not there. You can't get mad that Murray's not there. You can't get mad at anybody. Purbix or anybody.

The other receiving votes that weren't Jordan Love or CJ Shout, which is why I said if you put them at 10, I think you. I don't think there's an argument to be had. You can. You could debate that. The others receiving votes. So these are the only other ones that were considered. And rookies don't count rookies.

Although I guess. I guess you would have to because the other one that I was thinking would they go there would be. What's his name in Dallas?

[Don Hahn]

Dak Prescott.

[Rosenberg]

Prescott. Names you mentioned. Kyler received votes. Purdy received votes, Prescott received votes. Three others. And this has got to be off of, in my opinion, just his career. Aaron Rodgers received votes.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Rosenberg]

Which is based off of the fact that he's still there.

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Tua when healthy. True MVP level quarterback was healthy many, many years ago now. And which I think is great for him. Bo Nix received some votes.

[Don Hahn]

What?

[Rosenberg]

He was good last year.

[Don Hahn]

He was good.

[Rosenberg]

Doesn't this tell you.

[Don Hahn]

Tells you everything.

[Rosenberg]

Closing good. I think Allen's right there with me that we've got a quarterback problem in the office.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it's. You can't even get to half the league. Think about it.

[Rosenberg]

Because the top 10.

[Don Hahn]

Well, let's. Let's argue that Mayfield and Daniels. Now Daniels, we know has the potential that he could be a top 10, but I'd need to see one more year of it. Mayfield is. Well, he's good, but he's not.

[Rosenberg]

But he did have a good year last year.

[Don Hahn]

But. Come on, Don.

[Rosenberg]

But yeah, that tells you that a journey, let's face it, was the number one pick in the trap. But he's a journeyman quarterback. Once you get to eight, that is in your team. Top 10.

[Don Hahn]

Right. That's my point. In the NFL, you have 15 really good starting quarterbacks. But once you get to eight. They all have sort of that feeling of all right. Like, you know what I mean?

[Rosenberg]

No. We have a question.

[Don Hahn]

There's eight you say with confidence, then after that you can't. The next seven, you're just kind of saying it, but you're not feeling it.

[Rosenberg]

It's like aces in baseball, you know, not every but team has one.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Very rare of any of them have more than one.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You know, it's. It's because that top ten is.

[Don Hahn]

Oh yeah. You get to eight, I'm telling you.

[Rosenberg]

Top four, bing, bang, bang. You rattle them off, no problem. And then there's a drop. There's always something to tell you that there's a drop off from 4 to 5. Now you can talk about the disrespect for Hertz, but the stats aren't there. It's kind of a team that's built. It's kind of the anti quarterback team. Right. Like you need the quarterback play, but it's kind of built around the stars, around obviously the running back, that which is rare. They've got the running back, they've got receivers, the tremendous offensive line team that with a great defense, they can do it. They can win a Super bowl with a nine quarterback. But. So it's not as disrespectful as you think, but still kind of crazy. Thank you, Anthony, for that. That was amazing.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good. Here, more of Don Allen and Peter. Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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