Hour 2: Monica McNutt & The List

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 2: Monica McNutt & The List

ESPN New York | February 11, 2026
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca
Guest: Monica McNutt (ESPN NBA analyst)

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Episode Overview

This dynamic episode is divided into two energetic halves:

• First half: Features ESPN’s Monica McNutt, now joining the show weekly for deep-dive Knicks and NBA analysis. Discussion is dominated by recent Knicks games, the team’s outlook, trade talk fallout, and the NBA's ever-evolving landscape.
• Second half: The hosts unveil and debate their “Top 5 Greatest Rock Songs of All Time,” navigating musical influence, taste, and controversy, while trading stories and friendly jabs.

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Monica McNutt Joins: Knicks Talk & NBA State of Play

(Starts ~01:12)

Chemistry in Broadcasting

• Monica & Tyler Murray’s On-Air Rapport:
  • Monica reflects on the surprisingly strong chemistry she has with Tyler Murray, noting they haven’t worked together extensively but have smoothly synced as broadcast partners.
    • “Both Tyler and I feel that we lucked up tremendously in terms of how well we have clicked as broadcast partners.”
      — Monica McNutt [01:57]
  • Humor about Tyler’s youthful appearance:
    • “I legitimately thought Allen posted a picture when he brought his son with him to work.”
      — Alan Hahn [02:22]

Analyzing the Knicks’ Recent Loss

• Post-game Reflections:

  • Monica admits head-scratching over the Knicks’ loss to the Pacers, noting the matchup’s ongoing challenges.
    • “I was reminded that again, the Pacers continue to be a nightmarish matchup for the Knicks with or without Tyree Halliburton.”
      — Monica McNutt [04:00]
  • Draws a distinction between Utah and Indiana’s approach to winning, pointing out Rick Carlisle’s savvy as coach and the specifics of their roster management.

• On Knicks’ Defense & Rebounding:

  • Monica has been skeptical about the Knicks’ improved defensive stats, attributing the spike partly to their opponents during the recent stretch.
  • Highlights concern that specific matchups, like Indiana, can still exploit the Knicks’ limitations—especially without Anunoby or Robinson.

The 40-20 Rule & Playoff Outlook

• Historic Trend: Only three teams since 1980 have won the NBA title without reaching 40 wins before 20 losses; the Knicks already hit 20.
  • Monica and the hosts debate if this season might be an “outlier,” noting no clear favorite on either coast.
    • “In a year where there seems not to be a favorite, will that rule still apply?” — Monica [06:51]
  • Discussion of “outlier” qualities needed for title contenders—“extra, extra special” aspects, commonly elite defense.
• Impact of Youth vs Experience:
  • Monica muses on whether experience or stamina is the new currency for title hopefuls as younger teams excel.

Knicks’ Evolving Identity & Trade Deadline Aftermath

• Comparing to Previous Seasons:

  • Monica feels last year’s team was more of a “known quantity” defensively, but the current squad surprises with a late defensive surge.
    • “This year we’ve seen this defense have a surge... I don’t know that I thought was possible at the start of the calendar year.” — Monica [11:12]
  • Wonders if further offensive growth is possible, especially with Towns and Mike Brown needing better cohesion.

• Effect of Deadline & Missed Deals on Team Morale:

  • The lack of blockbuster trade may have offered some relief and stability to the locker room, Monica suggests, but she stresses the ongoing need for accountability and effort.
    • “Sigh of relief that you’re not getting traded, but it does not take your foot off the gas in terms of finding out how to be the best version of yourself.” — Monica [12:11]

Looking Ahead: Final Game Before All-Star Break

• Previewing the 76ers Matchup:
  • Monica and the hosts agree Philly remains a tough opponent, especially with Embiid likely back and OG Anunoby out for the Knicks.
    • “This one is not just about being focused to finish the break. It’s also about what you’re going to be looking at when the clock strikes April 18, when the playoffs start.” — Monica [15:52]

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Segment Transition: “The List” — Top 5 Greatest Rock Songs of All Time

(Begins ~22:00, Main segment starts 26:11)

The crew embarks on their much-anticipated “The List” — each picking their five most influential/definitive rock songs. They debate chronology, criteria (cultural impact vs personal taste), and the fine lines separating genres.

Format

• Each host presents their list (non-ranked, oldest to newest).
• Selection justification follows.
• Clips (first few seconds) of each song played for reaction and nostalgia.

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Peter Rosenberg’s List

(26:27 – 36:37)

• 1. Little Richard — “Tutti Frutti” (1957)
  • “I think it’s important to represent the true foundation of rock and roll.” [30:45]
• 2. Creedence Clearwater Revival — “Fortunate Son” (1969)
  • “When you hear this, you think… that is a specific sound of protest, 1960s, early 70s rock and roll.” [31:00]
• 3. Nirvana — “Smells Like Teen Spirit” (1991)
  • Praised for "reshaping the genre"; cultural, not just musical, impact.
• 4. Living Colour — “Cult of Personality” (1988)
  • Calls it an “absolute all timer” for energy, influence, and enduring popularity.
• 5. The White Stripes — “Seven Nation Army” (2003)
  • “A forever song”—ubiquitous at sports, parties, globally recognized.
    • “You can’t go three days without hearing it.” [36:19]

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Alan Hahn’s List

(36:40 – 44:56)

• 1. Chuck Berry — “Johnny B. Goode” (1958)
  • “This is the tree — every rock song came from here.” [38:00]
• 2. Jimi Hendrix — “Purple Haze” (1967)
  • Notes studio guitar innovation, influence on heaviness in rock.
• 3. Led Zeppelin — “Immigrant Song” (1970)
  • Celebrates its “heavy” sound and influence on later hard rock and metal.
• 4. The Beatles — “I Want to Hold Your Hand” (1963)
  • Chosen for igniting the British Invasion and shifting global pop culture.
    • “If not for this song, is there a Rolling Stones?” [43:57]
• 5. Nirvana — “Smells Like Teen Spirit” (1991)
  • Cites origin of title, stresses generational explosion and sound.

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Don La Greca’s List

(45:05 – 53:03)

• 1. The Beach Boys — “God Only Knows” (1966)
  • Lauded as complex, influential; Paul McCartney’s favorite.
• 2. The Beatles — “A Day In The Life” (1967)
  • “If I’m gonna go Beatles, I gotta go with… their best song.” [46:55]
• 3. Simon & Garfunkel — “Bridge Over Troubled Water” (1970)
  • Folkiness aside, chosen for enduring cross-genre reverence.
• 4. Don McLean — “American Pie” (1971)
  • “Why not a song that talks about three of those acts dying in a plane crash?” [49:27]
• 5. Bob Dylan — “Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door” (1973)
  • Cited for universal appeal and countless covers.
    • “A garage band can make that song sound good… that’s how good a song it is.” [50:17]

Honorable Mentions & “Near Misses”:

• Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, The Eagles’ “Hotel California,” Black Sabbath, Green Day’s “American Idiot,” and Michael Jackson’s “Thriller.”

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Debate & Notable Moments

• Defining “Rock”:
  • Alan and Peter’s picks skew “visceral, literal rock sound,” while Don’s include more folk/crossover classics, sparking brief debate.
• Personal vs. Historical Impact:
  • All agree influence trumps personal favorites for this exercise.
• Audience Poll:
  • YouTube poll teased—anticipation of strong disagreement from listeners.
    • “You got to leave your personal taste out of it… these are my five.” — Don [51:25]
• Host Banter:
  • Light-hearted jabs about song choices, especially for departing from stereotypically “rock” territory.
  • E.g., “No War Pigs!” — Alan [51:08]
  • Discussion about “rules” for inclusion: crossover with hip hop/Beastie Boys/Run DMC even briefly considered.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Knicks & Pacers rivalry:
  • “Last night was more about the Pacers than it actually was the Knicks.”
    — Monica McNutt [04:00]
• On trade deadline relief:
  • “Sigh of relief that you’re not getting traded, but it does not take your foot off the gas in terms of finding out how to be the best version of yourself.”
    — Monica McNutt [12:11]
• On musical influence:
  • “This is the tree — every rock song came from here.”
    — Alan Hahn (about Chuck Berry’s “Johnny B. Goode”) [38:00]
• On changing eras:
  • “It could still hit even though you weren’t alive for it. I’m proud of all of it.”
    — Don La Greca [52:55]

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Key Timestamps

• [01:12] — Monica McNutt segment begins
• [04:00] — Monica’s diagnosis of Pacers loss
• [06:46] — The “40-20 Rule” NBA debate
• [11:12] — Comparing Knicks across seasons
• [12:11] — Team chemistry & trade deadline talk
• [15:52] — Knicks-Sixers preview & playoff stakes
• [22:00] — “The List” segment set-up
• [26:11] — Lists formally begin (Rosenberg, then Hahn, then Don)
• [36:37] — Peter finishes; Alan’s picks begin
• [44:56] — Alan wraps, Don’s list starts
• [53:32] — Post-list reflection, genre debate

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, energetic, and occasionally irreverent:
  • Friendly jabs, pop-culture references, inside jokes abound.
• Analytical with humor:
  • Deep dives on basketball and music, but always with a light, relatable touch.

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Summary Takeaways

• Monica McNutt brings sharp, measured Knicks (and NBA-wide) analysis, highlighting matchup issues, defensive doubts, and the trade deadline’s psychological impact.
• The “Top 5 Greatest Rock Songs” bit is both a history lesson and a fun, debate-filled reminiscence—showing the hosts’ varying approaches to musical legacy, the definition of “rock,” and cultural impact.
• The episode blends New York sports obsession and offbeat pop culture, encapsulating what the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg show does best.

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For listeners who missed it:
This episode is a must for Knicks fans craving perspective post-trade deadline, and for anyone who loves to debate what the true “greatest rock songs of all time” really are. If nothing else, you’ll be nodding along to the music (and maybe, yelling at your speakers).

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Catch Monica McNutt with Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: Every Wednesday at 4:00pm for the rest of the NBA season.

Transcript

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[A]

Oh boy.

[B]

And here is the debut for the 25:26 season and we welcome her to Don Hanna. Rosenberg. How are you?

[C]

Hi guys. Thank you for the welcome. Thrilled to be with you.

[A]

I think a celebration like this is worth the Korean NBA correspondent.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[D]

One guy was way excited.

[C]

I appreciate that.

[B]

And I got to tell you too, your chemistry with Tyler Murray is so good considering the fact it's not like you work 82 games with him. Right. I don't think you work with him for a while. Right. Because you were mentioning that it had been a while since you had a chance to see him going into last night's game and yet the chemistry is still pretty amazing. That's a credit to the both of you.

[C]

Yeah, no, Tyler's great. Alan knows this. As a firsthand teammate. I think both Tyler and I feel that we lucked up tremendously in terms of how well we have clicked as broadcast partners. Well, we got a couple TV games coming up this year I'm actually really excited about and then just as friends too. Like he deserves all the good things that are coming to him in New York and he's got huge shoes to fill coming in behind Mike Breen. But I think he's done a really great job so far.

[A]

Now, I will say there was a recent time when Allen posted a picture on the road with Tyler Murray. And I, Monica, legitimately thought Allen posted a picture when he brought his son with him to work.

[C]

Yeah, he's got a very youthful look.

[A]

It's true. Do people ever look at you like, aw, you babysit. I mean, he really looks young in the face, you know, he looks 17.

[D]

I thought that was a shot at me looking old.

[C]

It's not about you, Han.

[A]

It's not about you. It's not about Monica. It's about the youth fountain that Tyler's drinking it from.

[C]

Yeah, no, I think his favorite thing recently was at Twitter. I don't know. I don't know how we're describing viral these days, but in his world, it was a little viral that he was posted by a Knick fan. And it was like, peak example of voice not matching the body to which Tyler cleverly responded with the mouse from Space Jam. I forgot what he quoted on it.

[D]

But he was thrilled, well, not thrilled last night with the way that game ended. But I want to ask you, Monica, about the way the game started back to back in Philly, right before All Star break is tonight, and that's a team that's three losses behind you, and last night's game was a rival. Yes, you've been through some wars with them, but they look a lot different with the worst record in the East. Did you think the Knicks looked beyond that game or didn't take it as seriously as they should have at the start? And it caused the Pacers to get into a rhythm that they just didn't want to get out of.

[C]

So I'll be honest, y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

I've been thinking about this game more in the post game than I've thought of most games in recent in this run. Right. Because I'm really puzzled with everything on paper versus what we saw last night, I've come to the conclusion, and you could tell me if I'm tripping or being too much of a homer. I don't think I've been a homer on this one. I think that the Pacers. While everybody's up in arms about what Utah is doing, the Pacers got a really funky deal with the draft or the pick that they need to get and the protections, especially after the Clippers trade for Zubock. And so Rick Carlisle is one of the craftiest and most respected coaches in the league. So I don't think we're talking about them. Not trying to win in the same way that you're talking about Utah is. And last night was more of an example of how blatant it is that they are not trying to win because it's not that they are not a talented team. That was the one thought I've had. The second thought I've had is I have been one who has been critical of the defensive numbers over this now 11 game stretch because I'm like, yes, it has improved. Yes, you've climbed into the top 12, I believe in defensive rating numbers, but look at who you played. And so I think last night was for me an opportunity to see how real this defense was. And I was reminded that again, the Pacers continue to be a nightmarish matchup for the Knicks with or without Tyree Halliburton. So for me, last night was more about the Pacers than it actually was the Knicks. Only because I don't think that that is going to be a team that you have to deal with in the postseason given the now 14 wins that they have.

[B]

That was going to be my question. When you watch that, is it a bad matchup of the Pacers? Is it something about their athleticism that other teams might be able to take advantage of? What is it about this Pacer team that makes it so hard for the Knicks?

[C]

Well, I think for the Knicks, if you look at them, man, yeah, five man, man on man, right in this one they can put three guards on the floor that can guard well and disrupt all of your ball handlers, especially on a night without Ogm Novi and Mitchell Robinson. Like the offensive rebounding advantage which is typically gaudy in the favor of the Knicks. I think the knicks clear like 25% or 22% rather of offensive rebounds last night. Like they needed those second chance points last night because the Pacers continue to make it a hard day at the office for Jalen Brunson in particular. Now I am mind boggled why there was not a better opportunity for Karl Anthony Towns last night. Because no disrespect to J. Huff or Micah Potter, but come on now, right, like this is your clear advantage in this matchup. So I really think guys like and again I said this on the post game show last night. I'm walking down the steps to come do the show and listening to fans and I think these fans were right in that that was a big game for the Pacers considering the history of these two teams. So you cannot look at what you came in on paper with regarding both of these teams. This was just a ball being rolled out on the court. Let's go. And the Pacers brought the energy.

[D]

How aware are you the 4020 rule.

[C]

You know that means the Knicks got to win six straight before they hit 20, right? I think we looked at it last night.

[D]

Well, they already got the 20.

[C]

No, they hit the 20 last night. Yep, that was it. There's that. Well, I looked at the four teams that are the outliers to that with the Bucs being the most recent and I think prior to that it was the 06 heat. I think did it broke that rule. I think those teams had the ability to turn on historic levels of defense, which I would not say that the Knicks are equipped to do this year. I don't. I'm going to be curious to see how this one plays out because I will say this too. In a year where we're now about to hit the All Star break and the conversation at large on both conferences, might I add the Western Conference and the Eastern Conference, is how wide open it is. In a year where there seems not to be a favorite, will that rule still apply? Because I think a lot of people going to hit 20 losses before they get the 40 wins.

[D]

Well, Boston and the Rockets both have 19. So before the All Star break, they could hit the 20 if they lose tonight. Right. And so that would leave us with only three teams. The Thunder have already done it. The Pistons are one win away from 40 and the spurs are three wins away. So those would be the only teams. And that's why I was like saying it. Does that tell us. All right, so there's only three teams are going to win the championship. There's only three possible possibilities. Or is this going to be an outlier year? Because it does feel like it's a little more wide open. Although of course the Thunder, other than other than when they play the spurs, look indomitable.

[C]

I'm with you. I'll take the latter on it being an outlier even.

[B]

But it is crazy because we took out the Bucks because that was only a 72 win season. So only three times has has the team won the championship without the 4020 since 1979. 80. Yeah, it's crazy. I know these things are kind of fun, but sometimes the numbers are just like, whoa, I got to pay attention to this.

[D]

But I like what. I like what you said though, Monica, because that's what I think you have to watch. And it's really been what we've watched all year with this Knicks team is to be an outlier you have to have something about your game that is what, like, extra, extra special. Yeah. And normally that would be defense in the playoffs. And we have not seen that reason to believe it with this Knicks team. Right?

[C]

Yeah. I mean, now does that mean that this team's ability to put up, you know, 120 plus and their offensive offensive efficiency cannot be sort of that outlier to counter the defensive roles? Like, I don't know, we gotta wait and see. We all know playoff basketball tends to slow down a bit, but if your defense is not going to be the thing that jumps off the page, you better be hitting a hell of a streak in terms of everybody clicking at the right time offensively, so much so that the best defenses can't even counter you.

[D]

Right.

[C]

So we'll see. I still think as we watch this thing unfold, as much as I respect what the Pistons are doing, and I am even in the last couple of weeks, I've really been thinking about our thought process around experience. Right. I think we're at an interesting place in the league. Where do you need experience or do you need stamina? And to me, stamina at this point when we look at our stars definitely tends to favor the younger teams. So I don't even know if I'm concerned with the experience of Detroit as much as one might typically be. But if you give me the opportunity to be worn down, battle tested a couple series in or one series in before you run into some of these teams, does that then give the experience edge? So I don't know. I'm really excited to see how this all plays out this year.

[B]

This.

[C]

I'm excited about this month after All Star break in a way that I don't think I've been as enthused in a while.

[A]

Well, I was going to ask Monica, do you feel differently about this team at this point this year than you do last year?

[C]

You know, let me think. Okay. So I, I am excited about the experience that this team has under their belt. What I will say that is different from last year is I still think there's more to be figured out where I felt like I had a better handle on who this team was at this point last year because it may be perhaps because it was such a departure year to year, going from a year where the offense was anemic but you knew you could count on the defense and how hard they were going to play.

[B]

And they.

[C]

And then last year it was like, okay, well, we're actually settling into watching a high powered offense that maybe is not a signature defense to what you're accustomed to. And this year we've seen this defense have a surge in the last couple of weeks that I don't know that I thought was possible at the start of the calendar year. And now I think the defense might come back to its mean. But is the offense going to keep getting better as I believe Mike Brown and Carl Ethnie Town still have a ways to go in terms of a meeting of the mind that is going to be required if this team is going to meet its goals.

[B]

Now, we talked about, we're Talking to Monica McNutt, who's going to join us every Wednesday at 4:00 for the rest of the basketball season. That not getting Giannis or Giannis, that all being over after the deadline might have freed Cat a bit, maybe freed the room up a little bit. It's only been a handful of games, but are you getting a sense that there's a bit of relief that the deal wasn't made and guys weren't getting jerked around to a different teams and that there is a vote of confidence maybe given by management that, hey, we didn't have to make this deal. We believe in you guys.

[C]

You know, I. First of all, the big vote for management we all heard was when James Dolan came out and spoke this year, which is not a common event, right? So I kind of leaned on that even as the noise got a little bit louder. It was unfortunate that the noise probably got its loudest when the winds were the fewest over that stretch in January. But yes, I would say now you look at one another in the locker room, we all we got, right? Like we all we got. We all we need is what you would hope is what they're saying to one another. And I do buy that. But again, that doesn't mean, and this is my thing, y'. All. Like, I don't even necessarily want a locker room that's Kumbaya if it means you're rolling over and okay with what happened last night, there still has to be a level of accountability challenging one another because I don't think this team has hit its best basketball yet. So, yes, sigh of relief that you're not getting traded, but it does not take your foot off the gas in terms of finding out how to be the best version of yourself. And I will give Karl Anthony Townsend's credit, right? Like, everybody's focused on him not averaging 20 points for the first time and God knows how long in his NBA career, but he's been great on the glass Second leading rebounder in the league right now. As the stats stand today, yesterday, those plays that he made down the stretch, I don't consider rebounding a little thing, but the efforts to get to the rim, the things that don't show up in the box score, like, is that the type of year that he's going to have potentially down the stretch? I think that is going to be important. But I do think there's more in terms of incorporating him into the office and being able to take advantage of mismatches.

[D]

No, you got to catch the bus to head over to the arena to make the call tonight for tonight's game. In the last game before the break.

[B]

She could Uber and stay longer, but that's. Hey, that's just me. That's all right. Now listen, I just threw it out.

[D]

You understand how Monica rolls?

[B]

Like, no, listen, I'm surprised the carpet.

[D]

Comes out, the whole thing. She needs the arena entrance. You know, people always say Stephen A. Walks in like he's a player walking in the arena with the cameras.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

I'm just saying Monica draws even in Philly lenses. All the lenses.

[B]

Philly doesn't wreak red carpet on Monica.

[A]

What?

[D]

What?

[B]

What?

[D]

No, I'm saying you have the magnetism is what I'm saying. But, but just, just quickly because I know you have to go. I, I talked to a pissed off Jalen Brunson last night in that locker room. It's the last game before All Star break. A lot of times that getaway guys already got flights out of Philly to whatever the, the sandy beach they're going to. But do you. What is your anticipation about tonight's game with Philly? You know, they do seem to have the Knicks number.

[C]

Not only does Philly have the Knicks number a bit, but they coming off of one that I think they would consider to be embarrassing to end their road trip right. That loss to Portland. And y' all like Joel Embiid has been available for seven of the last 10 and there's. He was lifted questionable at my last glance at the injury report at 2:00'.

[D]

Clock.

[C]

So I'll be curious to see if he played. But he didn't play in Portland, so I'm expecting him to play. Mitchell Robinson, I believe will be back for the Knicks though, so that's a good matchup. But the last time that the Knicks were here, the last few minutes of that ball game was really the versatility of OG Anunoby in particular, who is not available tonight. So I think this is one that they need to get their heads out of the sand, if you will and finish strong and not listen. The other thing about it is you can't let this one be a given because of the standings, bro. Like this could be your first round matchup if you play around. And I personally, the Knicks have played well in the past versus the Sixers in the first round, but I don't know if that's the one you want per se. Right. If Joel Embiid is figuring out a way to be able to navigate being a part of a series. And as you just saw with the Pacers last night, they haven't exactly been spectacular with guards that can boogie a lot. Tyrese Maxey and BJ Edgecomb. So this one is not just about being focused to finish the break. It's also about what you're going to be looking at when the clock start strikes April 18, when the playoff starts.

[B]

Well, enjoy the game tonight, enjoy the All Star break and we'll talk to you next Wednesday.

[C]

Sounds good guys. Thank you.

[A]

Later.

[B]

This is, I'm looking forward to this. This is going to be a lot of fun every Wednesday getting a chance to talk to her not just about the Knicks, but she's great. The NBA in general, but another, another.

[A]

Guest to talk commies with.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Thank you. Appreciate that.

[D]

Awesome.

[B]

That might have been the reason why we didn't do it during the football season. We waited until after the football.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Doesn't mean there won't be moves to.

[D]

Be made like Legler. A lot of cap space we have Legler on. We make sure it's not during football season.

[B]

No. Well listen, you do have the draft. That's right. So I guess you will allow a question during the draft.

[A]

There could be, there could be big free agent moves that happen. Who knows?

[D]

Yeah.

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[D]

We know we have like a daily draft show coming up.

[A]

Heard about that.

[D]

The ESPN rolls out NFL draft daily every day mocks.

[A]

Get ready for a lot of NFL for that.

[D]

Ace.

[B]

All of it.

[D]

They're wearing mock turtlenecks. They're wearing moccasins. Everything that just going to mock everything up and you're going to love everything. You love it. Clockwork Orange. Love it.

[B]

No.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to, I don't want to be overly concerned about Philip Gustafson.

[D]

So much football, you're going to be throwing up pigskin. And Sweden, I think there's reason for concern.

[B]

I'm. I'm watching Sweden, Italy as the men are playing. Oh, that's hockey. The game is tied at 2.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Sweden is out shooting Italy 33 to 4.

[D]

But Italy's shooting 50%.

[B]

The game is tied at 2.

[D]

They're shooting 50% though.

[B]

I picked Sweden to go to the gold medal game because of their goaltending. What is going on?

[D]

The only time that I've looked down Italy has scored because I've seen the ice be on Sweden's side the entire game.

[B]

Bet Your ice extras from the Sopranos are on the Italy team.

[A]

That is crazy.

[D]

I was asked. I declined.

[B]

I listen. They're probably going to win this game, 10, three.

[A]

But dear God, it's 2 to 30, 3 to 4.

[D]

Yeah, but again, they're shooting 50%. That's great.

[B]

And Gustafson is their number one goaltender.

[D]

Because I was like, not anymore.

[B]

Markey in there?

[D]

No, he's playing like number two.

[B]

I didn't see the goals. Like, the first one was bad, but was the second one like.

[D]

I still haven't seen the second. The first one was a joke. That. That was an absolute joke. He lost it. He threw his stick. He didn't even have a stick in his hand. Meanwhile, Sweden's two goals are picture perfect. One power play one time or another. One forsling just rips a clapper.

[B]

You know, we did see an upset earlier today. Finland got beat, so. Could be very interesting. Finally, we'll get to see the Americans play tomorrow. They take on Latvia. We're all over. Because now these things are happening in the afternoon.

[D]

That's what you're happening in the afternoon. I heard that once.

[B]

I'm just. I'm just kind of flabbergasted by 33. That's ridiculous. We're not even midway through the game.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm paced at like 60, 68.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Crazy.

[D]

And a 4, 4 final tied at 2. Yeah. Why not? The Olympics, you know, they're doing three on three ottoman. Beautiful.

[B]

Please go. Please go to.

[A]

That's fun.

[B]

This would be terrific. Let's go to Gilberto in the truck. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, man? Hello. Hope the truck's not upside down.

[D]

No, please don't say that.

[B]

Let's go.

[D]

Gilberto.

[B]

Gilberto.

[A]

Okay. Well, unfortunate what's happened.

[B]

He's out now. We have got the list coming now. A lot of people are excited about this. Our producer not being one of them.

[D]

That's all right.

[B]

But we're gonna go for it. And we admit failure. I mean, this. This is basically just going into the fire. We know we're not gonna make it out, but we want to do it. Top five greatest rock songs of all time. And because I've got great teammates on a great show, these guys didn't want me to go get burnt up by myself. You know what? They're going to participate as well.

[D]

Of course, there's three crosses. We're all going on.

[B]

And we're going to. We're going to back it up with facts, with stats on why the situation is what it is with these top five songs. And then we're going to hear a little bit of it as well. I wanted to do it where you hear the song the first few seconds.

[A]

First back up the fact.

[D]

That's what I'm going to do.

[B]

That's what I'm gonna do. Peter wants to build it up, and then you hear the song.

[D]

Build it up. Buttercup.

[B]

So the question, Michael, are we gonna break?

[D]

Is that the first song?

[B]

The question I have before I go to break. Michael would do his list, and, like, three would be Springsteen. The other two would be Billy or maybe three Billy and two.

[D]

Well, it's not supposed to be the songs you like. It's not.

[B]

And I told you, I. I love every song on my list. An imprint, but they're not necessarily what I put my top five.

[D]

Right. Oh, same.

[B]

So now one question before we go to break. What's the order? Because it's my thing. Do I go first? And you guys go, do we build up to me because it's my thing.

[A]

Whatever you want.

[D]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Anthony as a producer, the list is Don's segment. Yes. Should he go first or last? I feel like Don should go last. Last. Have the final say. Parents seemed like he liked it.

[A]

I kind of think don't choose whatever.

[D]

He wants, but I think that's the right because it allows him to react.

[B]

So you cool with Peter, Alan, Don?

[A]

Sure.

[D]

Yeah. I think that's the way to go.

[B]

Which is the opposite of the name of the show. Don, Han, and Rosenberg. But we're going Rosenberg Hot knot.

[D]

Yeah. And I'm in the middle.

[B]

I. I don't know what happened, but.

[A]

Yeah. What you just said was not it.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

No, but Rosenberg had it all.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

No, it didn't sound like we're gonna.

[D]

Need to hear that again.

[B]

You're gonna hear it again.

[A]

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[D]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[A]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[D]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[A]

Just made the list, buddy.

[D]

This is the list with Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[B]

Well, the order is going to be reversing the name of the show. It's going to be Rosenberg. How'd it go? And Don. How did I say it?

[A]

How did it go?

[B]

We have that queued up.

[D]

He's been busy.

[B]

I made a mistake.

[D]

He's been very busy.

[B]

Let's play My mistake. Oh.

[D]

Oh, really?

[A]

What's that?

[B]

You don't have to worry about it. Because I could see the panic in his eyes.

[D]

Don't worry about it.

[A]

Who, me?

[B]

No, Jacob.

[A]

The thing is, you can't have. You can't get anything wrong here. Especially for mine. Where I'm setting up the songs first.

[B]

Again, we are not doing five through one. No, these are just five songs. It's bad. It's tough enough to come up with five. Now you want us to rank the five? Like, Jacob came up to me, he's like, what's your number one? It's like, I. We didn't go there. It's too much.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe we can get a consensus on the chronological. Oh, you're going. You know what? That's what I'm gonna do.

[D]

From. From. And what I'm thinking is the most recent song.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

To the oldest song is how I'm doing.

[B]

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go oldest to new.

[A]

So am I.

[B]

So.

[A]

Well, we're all great creators.

[D]

All right, so then is that what we should do there?

[B]

All right, so that's.

[A]

I'm already doing.

[B]

So Peter's up.

[D]

Are you able to switch that for me then go oldest to newest in.

[A]

The middle of doing this? Yes, because I just think it's the.

[B]

List it gives away. I think you want to build up.

[A]

It's flipped. I think it's sort of. Yes, but it's also whatever we feel.

[B]

No, that's right. So. And, and in that vein, Peter is going to build up to where we hear this beginning of the song. Alan and I are going to start with the first listen few seconds.

[D]

Name that tune.

[A]

We're going to get started here.

[B]

Rosenberg. But we're going Rosenberg. Hodna.

[D]

Hodna.

[A]

We're not even close. So you thought. The funny thing is Don thought he was close.

[D]

What's a Rosenberg Hadna.

[A]

He thought he was close. It wasn't even. One more time.

[B]

Don, Han and Rosenberg. Rosenberg. Rosenberg had not. I knew it wasn't perfect, but I thought it was a lot closer.

[A]

I didn't know you went full Haagen Dazs. All right, all right, here we go. You can kill the list of music now.

[B]

Let's go on. We're talking about real music now.

[A]

Now, I have to say, I think I am in the least pressure filled spot of all of us. No one thinks of me as a rock and roll guy. Now, while I may have a reputation as a music guy, no one thinks of me as a rock and roll guy.

[B]

You know your share of rock and roll.

[A]

I certainly do. But I think the most pressure is heaped upon Don. And I'm happy to jump in here.

[D]

And I'm going to tell the social media world, tune the hell in right now.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Let's go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what? You got to share. I got to share the old YouTube link as well. While we're having the conversation, why don't.

[B]

You guys tweet that out? While we're at it, Tweet that.

[D]

Sop.

[A]

So. So for me, guys, this is about. I look at this list is sort of like the. The Mount Rushmore. You know, like the original definition of the Mount Rushmore. It's like one's supposed to be foundational, one's about change. All of my. All of mine have a meaning to me. Are these the top five greatest? It's up for everybody to decide. This is to you. This is to me the definitive. The songs that I believe define rock and roll in my eyes.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

But I can only go from my eyes, right in my ears, my vantage. Now, the first one is the foundational piece. Right. Allen, you and I talked about this. You had to go foundational. Now I can see Don having a problem with the song, because when it comes to lyrics and meaning, this is not what that is. However, for a song to be pushing near 70 years old, and I would venture to say that children still know this song by the time they're, you know, 12, 13 years old, and you think about the fact that this person is as important foundationally to the beginning of rock and roll music as anybody ever, I think that this song deserves a place on the list of greatest rock and roll songs of all time. You're talking about a man who in so many ways defines the genre with both the way he took the music, the way he took his style, the way he used his voice, the way he did everything. And then from a legacy standpoint, we don't even know what the hell Tutti Frutti is about. But every child for the next 70 years knows the song Tutti Frutti. And again, I think it's important to represent the true foundation of rock and roll.

[B]

No, I understand where you're coming.

[D]

I like it.

[A]

So that's why I went with Little Richard. Obviously, I know Alan could have something similar but different on his list.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

But I thought the foundational stuff was truly, truly important. The next one is the one that I thought could be deemed as controversial. Interesting, because I don't know.

[B]

Right out of the box.

[A]

I don't know if this considered some sort of all time great rock and roll song. But when I think rock and roll, one of the qualities I think of is. Is defiance, is protest, is voice of a generation. This song, to me, is synonymous with all of those things. So much so that we could not count how many movies it's been used in. So much so that when you hear it, you can literally picture helicopters flying over Vietnam. That is what you hear when you hear this song. So to me, while I don't know if everyone put this on the list, you hear this and you think, oh, that is a specific sound of protest. 1960s, early 70s rock and roll.

[D]

Very good. Very.

[B]

Definitely a statement. Little ccr.

[D]

Very good.

[B]

Like it.

[A]

It's just, you know, again, I don't know if that makes anyone's list, but man, that to me it's so synonymous with what it's about.

[D]

It's. It's very much an era piece.

[B]

Yeah. There's definitely.

[A]

It's definitive.

[B]

Yeah. You know.

[D]

Very much an era piece. Yeah.

[A]

Now, interestingly, as a result of that, I ended up leaving off. You know, some things that I really care about that also are from that era. But to me that sound meant more.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

There were other groups that certainly are.

[D]

Bigger and there's a lot of similarities.

[A]

But this was the one to be.

[B]

That's.

[D]

That's definitely a good one. Very good.

[A]

And this one we talked about quite a bit yesterday. Its level of impact was so gigantic. It completely reshaped the way rock and roll sounded as a genre. It crossed over every genre. If you played it in 2026 at a party for 25 year olds listening to hip hop, it would still work. It is that big. It is that crossover. And yet that true to its core.

[D]

Bass drop. Very good.

[A]

And you're very smart because I went slightly out of order and he picked up on it. That's very good work by Jacob. I'm two years out of order here, but I.

[B]

The only pushback I'd give and because I've debated this song too, is it. I lived it. You know, I was going to club. They were playing that in clubs like it was. It was amazing what that song. It was so. And Nirvana was unbelievably huge. And it started the whole grunge thing, but it was. Ended up just being a thing.

[D]

But that.

[B]

That's like grunge. Listen, Pearl Jam's still around, but it's. It didn't have the shelf life.

[A]

Grunge didn't grudge. But also we'll never know because he was gone.

[D]

It was cultural though.

[B]

Yeah. But I think you could. Even though I wouldn't call them grunge, Foo Fighters were able to, you know, pick up and become a super group. But he was part of the Pearl Jam is amazing. And you know, like Soundgarden.

[A]

We lost Chris Cornell, but you could argue the opposite.

[D]

We love.

[A]

It even speaks that. It even speaks to how big the song is that the genre didn't look last.

[B]

No, it was monstrous. But I can't. I can't kill it.

[A]

I went slightly out of order. This one was. This is the one that I guess would be the most controversial because certainly not an all time great group. This is definitely personal preference. Goes back to the rebellion feel that is the music. Talking about things that go beyond just a basic. This is deeper than that. And this hit me as a kid in such a big way. It's still massive. And as a wrestling fan, it's remained gigantically massive. To me. This is. I know the group may surprise. This is an absolute all timer. You say, what does rock and roll sound like? To me, from my vantage, it sounds like this.

[D]

I like this.

[A]

Now listen, I know Living Color is not ended up on anyone's group with the greatest list of the greatest rock.

[B]

Bands of all time, but this song was humongous.

[A]

Yet you can't describe how big the song was.

[D]

Yeah, I hate that.

[A]

We can only play them for 10 seconds.

[B]

And their lead singer was in Platoon, the movie Platoon.

[D]

I did not know that.

[A]

I didn't know that before.

[B]

He was in Living Colors.

[D]

Wow, that's really good.

[A]

And I believe Vernon. Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What's first?

[B]

I have to look it up.

[A]

Yeah. But Vernon Reed, I believe is from Brooklyn. Still lives here. I believe. All right.

[D]

I love that because you took a chance. And it's not crazy, but it's.

[A]

But everyone, when you love that song.

[D]

There'S no one that will argue with you that it's not great. That's way off.

[A]

And lastly, guys, we talked about eras.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And I truly believe that when you.

[B]

Think Corey by the Corey.

[A]

Corey Glover. When you think of groups, perhaps the last one of the last great rock bands and a song that will live on for, well, well beyond what the timeline of the group was and maybe last forever. And when you can't go three days without hearing it, it would be this. And I'm just a fan of their entire body of work. I mean, I love Jack White as a guy in general, love his music. But the actual White Stripes run to me. Yeah. Phenomenal albums. And that song is.

[D]

That's a worldwide song.

[A]

And it's parties, it's sporting events, it's everything. It's a forever song.

[D]

Yeah. No, it's on your Beast Mode playlist. Like it's all that kind.

[A]

So I went Tootie Fruity Little Richard. I went Fortunate, Sudden Credence, Cult of Personality, Living Color, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvana and Seven Nation Army.

[D]

The White Stripes. It's a good list. Thank you. Very, very good list.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

Very good list. Very, very thoughtful list.

[B]

And then he's talking you.

[A]

Do you honest hear you?

[B]

Well, go ahead because I'm going in order. But I have same years so I'm trying to get the order going. But Alan's next. Okay. All right. All right.

[D]

I'm sorry, I'm need your full attention.

[A]

Yeah, he needs you.

[D]

If you need 3, 2.

[B]

Sweden.

[D]

By the way, you want, you want to work out some. Well, they only have 41 shots. If you want to work something. You want to work something out, work it out. Go ahead.

[B]

No, go. No, I got you.

[D]

Good.

[B]

I think we. You know what to do.

[D]

All right, well, we're going to do it the opposite. We're going to play the beginning and then I'll tell you why. Here's the first song. This is 1958. This is not just sound. It's swagger, right. It's loud, it brags. It tells a story of a rags to riches rock star. Right? It's. It's. That's rock and roll. The story is the sound is all that stuff. This is what Elvis used as his launch point sound like this, right? So this is to me the original sound of rock and roll. But everything else grew from like, you know, they have the coaching tree. This is the coaching tree of.

[A]

No, it is. It is.

[D]

Right.

[A]

That song, I only went Tootie Frutti to go different for me because I.

[D]

Knew you were going, Johnny, we're in the same place.

[A]

You went Chuck Berry.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. But it's. You can't go wrong either way.

[B]

I can't.

[D]

By the way, did you know this song never went number one?

[B]

Really?

[D]

It maxed out at eight. Yet it stands the test of time is one of those I'm greats.

[B]

It just, you know what the show.

[D]

To be an all time great.

[B]

What I struggle with, with the old time stuff is it did to me at least it did seem to hit a wall. Like I don't know if today that music is as appreciated as it should be because so much has happened since then.

[D]

You're going to tell me that if you had like if let's use the White Stripes covered this song in a concert. They're not. The house isn't coming down.

[B]

But they, but they haven't. Because I think that's part of this has been covered. Yeah.

[D]

But that's a very famous scene in a very famous movie that Peter loves.

[A]

So that's. That did.

[B]

Right.

[D]

And just for the movie and in that performance, Michael J. Fox made a point to do like, Peter Townsend. To do the Duck Walk.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

To do, like, different homages to different eras of rock.

[A]

But this gets into every conversation about, like, film or even sports. If you didn't have this, you can't have.

[D]

Well, that's why I said this is. This is the tree.

[A]

Judy Fruity was 57, by the way. Johnny Goods 58.

[D]

Right. It's same time. But I felt like that song, though, had, like, Tutti Frutti was about whatever. Johnny Be Good is every rock song. Yeah, it's the Rags to Riches song and all that stuff. All right, this is next up. And this, of course, is in my. Right, in my wheelhouse. Nope, Nope. All right. We're out of order, but we'll stick with it. Stick with it, stick with it. As you know that song as Purple haze, Jimi Hendrix, 1967. I personally.

[B]

Song. If you're gonna use Jimi Hendrix, that's.

[D]

That's the song you spoke. You could use. Now, I personally. Which is what I thought you might have been going to.

[A]

Huh.

[D]

My personal favorite, Jimi Hendrix is All along the Watchtower, which is also a very, very.

[B]

You could have done that.

[D]

You know, that's a very.

[B]

Not his song, though. That. That hurt. Does that hurt?

[D]

Yeah, that's. But. But it's like, for me, that song also had like. But Purple Haze is that grungy sound. Guitar sound, the studio edgy guitar that also did change music. It was incredibly influential. And by the way, as the story goes, that wasn't a psychedelic drug influence song. He read a science fiction novel and it inspired him writing that song. And in fact, Purple Haze is a phrase that was used in literature, including Charles Dickens. Great Expectations.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

So I did not know that in the jazz song. But Purple Haze, to me, was very influential. Next up. Okay, now you missed one, but we're gonna stick with this. You definitely missed one. But that is Immigrant song. Led Zeppelin, 1970. I know.

[B]

Probably one of my favorite Zeppelin songs.

[D]

I know everybody says Stairway. I get it. I listen to Stairway coming in just to remind myself it is a banger. It's a great song. But Immigrant Song, again, I just think that inspired, like, the heavy metal genre, right? The. The riffs by Jimmy Page in this thing. Big Jim, you guys are putting Jacob in a tough spot. I know, I know. I'm just telling you, but I'm it's fine. I'm not ostracizing him.

[B]

All good, baby.

[D]

But I also love the storytelling. We come from the land of the ice and snow, right? Let's take a whole male bravado, plundering type of storytelling that you heard in Iron Maiden and Metallica and all the bands that came after the fact.

[B]

Nobody has seen this movie. It's a documentary from late 90s, early 2000s.

[A]

Leap of Faith with Steve Martin called.

[B]

One Day in September about the Israelis that were killed in the 72 Olympics. Yes. And Michael Douglas narrates it and they talk about after the hostages were kidnapped, the Olympics continued. So they build it up and then they show that. And callously, they continue. They start showing highlights of the Olympics that were going on as the hostages were. They played the Immigrant Song. And it's like, it was so power. It's such a powerful song. It really, really is amazing. So you went there with Zeb, didn't go Stairway.

[A]

That's a surprise.

[B]

He didn't go Stairway.

[D]

I didn't want to do stairs.

[B]

Interesting.

[D]

And Stairway is a classic Old Timer, but I feel like the sound song and the aggressiveness of it did inspire, you know, again, just the next generation of hard rock bands. All right, now we have this one, the backbeat, right? I want to hold your hand 1963, this went number one, January 64. And this song launched the British Invasion.

[B]

Which changed music forever as we know it. They gotta have a Beatles now.

[D]

Do you know the story behind this whole thing, the impact it had? So Walter Cronkite wanted to have some positive news for a change because, you know, John F. Kennedy was killed. There was a lot of bad things happening in the world. And so Walter Cronkite on CBS had done a feature in the UK about Beatlemania. And he's like, we need to run a positive story. And so some point In December of 63, he's like, let's run this again. And so they ran it, and a girl in Washington, D.C. teenage girl saw it, called the local radio station WWDC and said, why don't we play music like this in America? Requested the song. They played it. Phones rang off the hook. They couldn't sell enough records, went to number one in a blink. And so the rest is history. The British Invasion started there. If not for that song, is there a Rolling Stones? Is there anybody else after that? If not for this song, but any of them, moment. And maybe if it was not for Walter Cronkite, that's a pretty.

[B]

See, that's what I'm talking about. That's how you sell.

[D]

Yeah. And last but not least, that was nicely done. Peter and I on the same page.

[B]

All right, that's the first three people.

[D]

We're on the same page here. And now look, the Rock and Roll hall of Fame included this on its list of songs that shaped rock and roll.

[A]

There you go. How could he not.

[D]

I mean, if. How could you not be a top five all time rock song if you are not considered one of the songs that shaped rock and roll? And just a quick side note and then I'm done. You know where the title came from? Smells Like Teen Spirit.

[B]

I don't remember. I've heard it.

[D]

Kurt Cobain had a friend, a girl, who once said, kurt smells like Teen Spirit. Because at the time, in the early late 80s, early 90s, there was a spray perfume that teenage girls had called Teen Spirit. And it was suggesting that Kurt was with a girl.

[A]

I never knew this either.

[D]

So, Kurt, you smell like Teen Spirit. And so he thought it sounded like pretty rebellious, like, yeah, Teen Spirit.

[B]

Right.

[D]

And so they turned it into a song.

[B]

Very good. You know what?

[A]

You know, strong.

[B]

I'm not mad at either of these lists at all. We'll see how the audience feels after I give you mine.

[D]

Here we go.

[B]

So we're going to go in the chronological order. Chronological order. Oldest to do is. All right. You guys know how I feel about this band. We talked about this. I think you were off when. After you had the baby last summer. And Alan and I talked about this band probably right there with the Eagles, the greatest American band of all time. To me, this is their best song off of one of the greatest produced albums of all time. Yep.

[A]

Thought about it.

[D]

This was on the. This was on my honorable mentions.

[B]

How could it not be God Only Knows, 1966. Paul McCartney said it's his favorite song. And it's very strange for it to chart songs that had God in it. Never did. Well, like bands would not ever sing and put God in the. In the. Because they thought it was like, too controversial. But they did it and it didn't stop them. I think one of the greatest American bands of all time. And I've got God Only Knows as on my list. Taylor Swift covered it. Olivia Newton John, Michael Stipe. It has been covered a bunch of times. And as I said, it got the seal of approval from a Beatle. God Only Knows on the list from 1966. You gotta get the Beatles on, right. And to me, in a similar fashion, you've Gotta go with an album that was very influential. And it's a song that I think is their best song, their best written song, their best performed song, Really. This gets broken down in colleges.

[D]

This is an epic Day in a.

[B]

Life 1967, off of Sergeant Pepper.

[D]

Very influential song.

[B]

It's so that to me, if I'm gonna go Beatles, I gotta go with. I think is there. Because the thing. You're right about the influence of their first stuff, but it's very bubblegum.

[D]

Oh, no, no.

[B]

Their stuff early is very bubblegum. Then when they matured into what they were, it all came from sergeant Pepper. And onward.

[D]

Just understand the backbeat, the sound, all that stuff that changed everything. Do you know that I considered a later version also? And I know this probably wouldn't be an influential song, but I thought one of their best songs. And it's not only them. They had a special guest perform in that song. While my guitar gently Weeps.

[B]

Yeah, I thought about it. People would freak out that you have a George song. But I was thinking, like, my favorite Beatles song is something.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like George is so underrated.

[A]

I ended up. Well, we can discuss this more. I don't want to interrupt your list, but we. We can discuss it more. But I ended up opting against the. You have to have the Beatles on the list. Even though I was very close to feeling that way. And it was. For me, it was gonna be Day Tripper. I decided not to include them on the list. But we can get into that after.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

All right, now I've got something.

[D]

Number three.

[B]

This is, well, number three. It has been covered by everyone. All right. Johnny Cash covered this song. All right. Aretha Franklin covered this song. Elvis Presley covered this song. Jerry Reid covered this song. I think it's Paul's best writing. The choice of having Art sing it. I think it's their biggest song. Simon and Garfunkel. I know it's folksy and all that, but everybody knows, like I said, look at all the different artists.

[A]

Well, so far, Don's list has three songs that people could hear and not think any of them are rock and roll.

[D]

Right.

[A]

That's the interesting part.

[D]

That's what's meant.

[A]

But we'll save.

[D]

That was.

[A]

That's the conversation Post list. The three monster songs.

[D]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Monster song monsters.

[B]

Number four. We talked about it. You're going to kill me again for thinking it's not rock and roll, but if you guys are going to go to the 50s and talk about how influential those bands were back then, then why not a song that talks about three of those acts dying in a plane crash. There was documentary done about this song.

[D]

Folk influence in Don Slick.

[A]

This list is shocking.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Well, if you.

[D]

And no Dylan or is there Jacob. I think there is. This has been covered many times.

[B]

I looked it up today.

[D]

Really good.

[B]

It has been covered over 150 times. The grateful Dead, Guns N Roses, Eric Clapton, Tracy Chapman, Roger Waters. Knocking on Heaven's Door. To me the greatest. Because I don't care. A garage band can make that song sound good. Look, you know how I feel about Guns N Roses. They do an amazing job. I have no love at all for the Grateful Dead. They kill it because you can't not kill it. That's how good a song it is.

[D]

Great point.

[B]

So I've always said to myself that's what makes it a great song because it's been covered every generation and it's still very, very relevant. Wow. Made for a country and Western movie. 1973. So my list is basically from 66 to 73. But to me that is the most influential time of rock and roll. There were wars to sing about. People were actually putting their life and soul into the music. There was always hidden meanings behind all of the music. That's when I believe that rock and roll clearly turned out of the whole, you know, kind of bubblegum era and went into a really meaningful time. Clearly influenced by Vietnam, clearly influenced by what was going on in the country at the time. So there is strong. My top five little folksy. I get it.

[A]

But yeah, I think it's gonna be filled with controversy.

[D]

I didn't see see any of that coming. No War Pigs.

[B]

Again, these are not necessarily my top five songs. You know, I feel about Black Sabbath. I get a Rage against the Machine killing in the name of one of my favorite songs of all time. I'm just talking about from a historical standpoint.

[D]

Get it?

[B]

I get it. I get it. These are my five.

[D]

I had some on that that. That fell off my list. Like. Like a Rolling Stone would. Would have been my Dylan.

[B]

But.

[D]

But I love the choice I made. Hotel California.

[B]

I had Hotel California as a possibility.

[D]

I. I thought Peter was going to go here too, but he didn't. American Idiot. I. I think that green that's on my green Day brought back punk, brought back that sound and is a very rebellious song. So those sort of where I was kicking around as well.

[B]

I scratched off Stairway to Heaven. I scratched off Hotel California.

[D]

Yeah. Hotel. I couldn't do Stairway.

[B]

Hey, I even. You know what I love that song. I toyed with it.

[D]

What?

[B]

Because I wanted to do something if I was gonna do Modern again. It's, you know, 40 years ago, I kicked around Thriller.

[A]

Thriller?

[B]

Yeah, Thriller.

[A]

I mean, it's a huge song.

[B]

Huge song.

[A]

But I. But when do you want to.

[B]

Probably the biggest video at the time.

[A]

But, like, who wants to listen to Thrillers? Not regular listening. I don't know. It's interesting.

[D]

We have a poll up on YouTube.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Early. I'm sure I'm gonna get it. We're all gonna get eviscerated because everybody's got. But all I'll say is this. You got to leave your personal taste out of it. It's hard to do, but you got to sometimes just think outside the box of the influence and listen. I know a lot of these songs, especially mine, were way before anybody was born. Heck, there are two on the list before I was born. But maybe that's part of what makes it so special, is that it could still hit even though you weren't alive for it. I'm proud of all of it. I can't honestly say there is one song that I was like, that's ridiculous. What a joke.

[A]

Out of the fifth. Well, four songs.

[B]

Fourteen, because there was one repeat, which.

[A]

Smells like Teen Spring, I think. I. The only difference is I went more visceral and literal with what I picture the sound of rock and roll to be.

[D]

I was thinking the same thing, but Don's is accurate.

[A]

Everything that he chose is included in rock and roll. The question is, though, when you go there, we also maybe could have included Run dmc. You know, there's a lot of things you can start to include when you open the door. The rules are, with the Beastie Boys.

[D]

There are no rules. Right, Beastie Boys? Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[A]

I don't want to know how the.

[D]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.