Hour 2: Monica McNutt & The List

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg - Hour 2: Monica McNutt & The List (March 4, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg centers on two core themes: a spirited discussion with basketball analyst Monica McNutt mainly about the meaning (or lack thereof) of NBA regular season games and a deep-dive, lighthearted tribute to the comedic legend John Candy on the anniversary of his passing. Sprinkled throughout are lively debates, friendly banter, sports nostalgia, and prominent New York sports talk—the show’s signature DNA.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

I. NBA Regular Season: Does It Still Matter?

w/ Monica McNutt (starts 02:03)

• The Setup:

  • Hosts debate the current apathy both from fans and even NBA coaches (e.g., Mike Brown's recent quote) about the regular season, especially for marquee matchups.
  • Don laments: "The regular season can't be this meaningless, Monica...everywhere you turn, you're being told [by players] that it doesn't matter. And it frustrates me." (02:09)

• Monica’s Perspective:

  • Defends the importance: "I do understand this...but we know [that 'regular season doesn't matter'] is not entirely true, right? You gotta get your seed, like, duh...It matters to fans, it matters to the city. I think it matters to the Knicks players." (02:50)
  • Calls out strategic preempting: "I think that's crap, though...the one thing I do enjoy about Victor Wembuyama is he's not ducking no smoke...he wants to win every game." (04:19)
  • Fans want players and coaches to care: "Y'all make a whole lot of money. Fans in the entire city want to know you care." (05:01)

• Don & Alan’s Frustrations:

  • Don and Alan share the letdown of fans tuning in for big games, only to see stars resting, coaches not prioritizing wins, and the overall sense the regular season has become just a ramp for the playoffs.
  • Alan: "From a Knick perspective...it just is really a ramp up to 'Judgment Day.' ...None of it matters until we see the results in the spring." (06:00)

• Monica Adds Nuance:

  • "Along the way, I don’t want to hear a coach say 'it doesn't matter'...this feels like a moment that, if we don’t get to a [WNBA] season, it'll be a loss on all sides." (06:26, 12:33)

• Tangible Knicks Improvements:

  • "There is a defensive identity emerging...I’d like to see more big nights from [Karl] Anthony Towns...if you give me good three-point shooting, this defense that's rated in the top-10, and [Jalen Brunson] plays well, you've got a shot." (07:42)

• Celtics Concerns:

  • "The intangibles concern me...because they’ve been there...they have a very clear hierarchy...clarity is love and communication, and that’s what they got going on." (08:31)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Monica (on Victor Wembuyama): "He's not ducking no smoke in no press conference. He wants to win every game he goes out and it matters to him." (04:19)
• Alan: “The championship is not going to be won tonight at the Garden. But every game is an opportunity to get better or get worse.” (06:26)
• Monica: “I'd like to see more big nights from Karl Anthony Towns...But after that, like if you give me good three-point shooting, this defense that's rated in the top 10 and Jay, the plays well, like you got a shot. That's. That has been the formula.” (07:42)

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II. Pop Culture Sidebar: Monica's Movie Homework

(09:14 – 11:17)

• The guys quiz Monica on whether she watched "Wayne's World" as assigned; she apologizes, explaining her “reading era” and travel commitments.

  • Monica: "When I get an opportunity to sleep, I don’t deny myself that. So I slept, then I worked out, then I ran into some friends, and I looked up and, like, the day was gone." (09:34)

• Playful banter about prioritizing leisure on road trips and the ongoing “guest disrespect” bit (“You’re the new Woody!” – after Damian Woody was similarly unresponsive to show assignments).

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III. NBA Scheduling, Tanking, & Solutions

(18:22 – 20:39)

• Caller 'Dietz' from Colorado proposes radical schedule changes to revive NBA regular season interest (e.g., “West Week,” “East Week,” focusing on rookie showcase doubleheaders and marquee matchups with historical themes).

  • Alan gently shoots down the idea due to real-world arena and logistics constraints: “It should only be able to exist in a world where there’s one arena and everybody plays in it.” (19:39)
  • Don: “The problem isn’t the presentation. The problem is getting the players to care. Getting the players to play. That’s the problem.” (20:04)

• Alan points to the issue of tanking: “The bottom teams in the lottery right now are on a combined 40-game losing streak...they aren’t even trying...” (20:15)

• Discussion around incentives, secret sneaker deal bonuses for playing Madison Square Garden games, and the reality that networks only really care about ratings in the playoffs.

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IV. Rapid Fire Banter: Accents, TV/Film Gaps, and Food

(22:06 – 23:57)

• Tangents on Alan’s old Long Island accent; the team teases his “Argo” reference (“High-level disgust with you for the Argo.” – Don, 23:49).
• Roasting one another for gaps in iconic movies seen (Office Space, Boys in the Hood, Cool Runnings, etc.)

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V. The List: John Candy’s Top 5 Roles

(28:03 – 40:25)

Tribute Context

• March 4th marks the 32nd anniversary of John Candy’s death. The hosts offer a heartfelt, anecdote-filled ranking of their favorite John Candy performances (Don’s personal list).

The Top 5 (w/ Quotes & Discussion)

• 1. Planes, Trains & Automobiles – Del Griffith

  • “He always left an impression.” (28:43)
  • Don: “It’s a funny movie, but it’s also very pointy (poignant).” (29:56)
  • Peter: “I was blown away by the ending and had to be number one for that reason.” (29:59)

• 2. Uncle Buck – Buck Russell

  • Peter recites: “Take this quarter, go downtown and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face.” (30:47)
  • Don: “That’s his movie. He doesn’t have a lot of movies where it’s his movie. That certainly is his movie.” (30:55)

• 3. Stripes – Ox

  • Alan: “My friends call me Ox. You might have noticed I’ve got a slight weight problem...” (32:24)
  • Don: “Ox is my favorite of all his characters.” (40:25)

• 4. Spaceballs – Barf

  • “Half man, half dog. I’m my own best friend.” (35:09)
  • Alan: “He sells it so well.” (35:20)

• 5. Splash – Freddie

  • “Freddy, give your older brother a kiss...” (36:26)
  • Debate over cameos and bit roles (e.g., Home Alone, Vacation, JFK).

Honorable Mentions & Audience Feedback

• Summer Rental, The Great Outdoors, Cool Runnings (“I didn’t care for the movie,” Don, 37:49), Blues Brothers, Canadian Bacon.
• Chat outrage over omitting Cool Runnings, but Don stands by his list.
• Alan notes the “serious” but still funny role in Cool Runnings.
• Discussion of generational attachment to different Candy films.

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VI. More Sports Banter and Rapid-Fire Segments

• Lou Holtz Tribute & Philosophy (47:20 – 48:50):

  • Hosts share memories from a “Lunch with a Legend” interview with Lou Holtz and discuss his maxim: “Listen to your body...If I’m tired, I go to bed. If I’m hungry, I eat.”
  • Peter pushes back: “He’s not listening to his body. He’s listening to his brain...if you’re a food addict, [that’s] not your body you’re listening to.” (48:39)

• Notre Dame Memories – Lou Holtz Era Players (50:34):

  • Don: Tim Brown. Peter: Rocket Ishmael (“His nickname was Rocket for a reason,” 51:19)
  • Discussion of Rocket’s trajectory: eschewing the NFL for the CFL due to a lucrative Argonauts offer—which connects back to John Candy, who was a team owner (54:04).

• Banter About Food Choices/App Ratings (45:49):

  • Bit about Don’s junk food chips failing health apps, played for laughs.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Monica McNutt: "Y’all make a whole lot of money. Fans in the entire city want to know you care." (05:01)
• Don (on NBA apathy): "The problem is not the presentation... The problem is getting the players to care." (20:04)
• Peter (on John Candy): “He was so lovable.” (28:33)
• Alan (on Ox from Stripes): "I could watch a movie as Ox as the main character." (40:25)
• Don (on Stripes): "When they go to Germany and it dies. Just shut it off." (40:54)
• Peter (on Rocket Ishmael): "If you're a younger person and you've only heard the name, or just, just look up Rocket. Ishmael. His nickname was Rocket for a reason." (51:19)
• Alan (on generational sports nostalgia): “College football, man. Guys, I didn't always...There was a time it was dope.” (52:27, paraphrased)

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• 02:03 — Monica McNutt joins & NBA regular season debate begins
• 04:19 — Monica calls out “crap” player/coach apathy quotes
• 07:42 — Monica breaks down Knicks improvements
• 09:14 — Monica’s “Wayne’s World” homework & playful guest hazing
• 18:22 — Caller Dietz's NBA schedule-revival idea
• 20:04 — Don on the real problem: player engagement
• 28:03 — John Candy tribute/list kicks off
• 37:41 — Chat outrage: No Cool Runnings on the list!
• 40:25 — Alan proclaims Ox as favorite John Candy character
• 47:20 — Lou Holtz, “listen to your body,” and the body vs. mind debate
• 50:34 — Rocket Ishmael & Notre Dame nostalgia; John Candy as Argos owner (54:04)

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Tone & Style

The episode is lively, tongue-in-cheek, deep with New York and sports culture references, and refreshingly candid. There’s an ongoing friendly antagonism among the hosts—especially when discussing old movies and generational tastes. Monica McNutt brings analytical depth and energy, especially when calling out sports industry nonsense. The show fluidly mixes sports journalism, nostalgia, and humor, making it engaging whether you’re a diehard fan or a casual listener.

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For New Listeners

• Expect a healthy mix: NBA analysis, pop culture silliness, deep-dives into sports history, and offbeat debates.
• You’ll leave both informed and entertained, with plenty of laugh-out-loud moments and authentic opinions.
• If you’re in the Venn diagram of Knicks basketball, classic sports movies, and New York sports radio culture, this hour is pure gold.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Don]

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[Don]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

it's totally time. There finally. Isn't that what I thought we decided? I thought we had decided.

[Alan Hahn]

I thought so too.

[Don]

And yet there was.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm boycotting anyway. I'm out.

[Don]

You know what? I don't blame him.

[Alan Hahn]

Out.

[Don]

The way you were abused by me the other day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he deserves.

[Don]

You deserve it.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you deserve it. I'm out. You don't want effort. You don't want effort.

[Don]

So you want an effort?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don]

Well, no, Peter was the lack of effort. You were just not good at it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I mean, I'm proud of the

[Alan Hahn]

lack of effort at least. You know what though? I give you, I gave you an effort.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And you still couldn't at least appreciate.

[Don]

Now, now we got nothing. Now we got like five seconds of nothing.

[Alan Hahn]

Right? So this is what you want. This is what.

[Don]

No, that's not what I want. I want Jake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what you want.

[Don]

The audio. I want you guys out. The next host of Thunder in an exhibition game. Coverage begins at 6:30 here on 880. The Devils host the Maple Leafs at 7 and the Islanders visit the Ducks at 10. NHL. Why are you hating on the island? Make them go out west in March.

[Alan Hahn]

Killing me. Killing me.

[Don]

But at least I got something to watch Tullamore do. The original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew. Honey. During tonight's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore due responsibly. Always a pleasure to welcome in Monica McNutt. 4 o' clock is hers during basketball season or after. Football season is over on Wednesdays and she joins us on Don on the Rosenberg. How are you?

[Monica McNutt]

Hi guys. I'm great. I, I.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Monica McNutt]

The exhibition thing threw me for a loop, but I think I'm up to speed on the bit.

[Don]

Well, we're just, I'm exaggerating, but come on, man, this should be a big deal. Thunder, Knicks is a big deal, right? We knew from the end of last year that these two could be a preview of the NBA Finals. And yet they're playing at the garden at 7 o' clock on ESPN in the second of. Back to backs for both teams. Both had played on the road the night before. You got Mike Brown saying, we could win, we can lose, it doesn't matter. I mean, come on, man. I want to enjoy a game and I will, despite what everybody's saying. But the regular season can't be this meaningless, Monica. But yet everywhere you turn, you're being told by the people that are playing in it that it doesn't matter. And it frustrates me.

[Monica McNutt]

I do understand this. I do understand this, Don. But I think who said to us the other day, where were we?

[Don]

On the road?

[Monica McNutt]

Somebody actually did acknowledge the regular season. I mean, listen, first of all, it's gonna matter because you gotta get your seed. Like, duh, you gotta play well in the regular season. I think in this era of guys looking ahead and the 65 game rule, I get how that has become the commonplace response, but we know that's not entirely true, right? Like, we get it. This particular matchup, yes, it's two of the NBA's best teams, but they'd have to go through a lot before they run into each other again in the postseason, potentially. But this matters. It matters to the fans, it matters to the city. I think it matters to the New York Knicks players. I don't know what Mike was talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I feel the same way, Monica. Like, I feel like across sports, if you have two of the best teams in a conference that could be in, in football, in basketball, in hockey and baseball, those games matter. When there's some of the best teams in the league, in theory, you always want to show out to some degree. And I don't know, it's just, it's odd you would think that particularly with a team like the Knicks, who, even if they're not the best version of themselves, are a marquee market. It's just, I see where Don's coming from. It's an odd. It's an odd thing, but.

[Don]

But is it too, a little Monica? Isn't it kind of like, you know, I was going to break up with you anyway? Kind of like that. Listen, just in case we lose, don't freak out too much. Everything's going to be okay. So is it more preemptive by Mike Brown to say it doesn't matter?

[Monica McNutt]

I Think that that is a kind assessment, but I'm. Whoa, watch your language. I think that's crap, though, because the one thing that I do enjoy about Victor Wembuyama is he's not ducking no smoke in no press conference. He wants to win every game he goes out and it matters to him.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Monica McNutt]

Like preemptively knowing your team has a shortcoming.

[Don]

So what?

[Monica McNutt]

The shortcoming is an opportunity to get exposed. I mean, the Raptors been smacked on by the Knicks four times last year, but when Darko Rakovic was asked yesterday about the opportunity to play a good team, which they haven't beaten, he was like, I love it now. He could have been lying his ass off. I don't know. But the energy of each opportunity mattering because you're trying to get better. Like, I don't think anybody needs to be coy about that. Y' all make a whole lot of money. Fans in the entire city want to know you care.

[Don]

Alan, I love the fact that she was concerned about crap but then just threw her ass out like it was no big deal.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, listen, this is, this is what we do when we bring people on the show, right? Like we, they come around us and, you know, things loosen up a little bit. That's what we like to see. We want it unfiltered. Yes, but I, I, I, I get that part. And that's Don, Peter and I were talking about this at the start of the show, just about that frustration, right? Other leagues there is the big game feel. And then you have a game like last night, NBC does the throwback broadcast. And last night, because of various injuries and other things, that's just an awful game, a 30 point game. And fans are getting fed up with this product. But from a Knick perspective, and we were just talking to Tim Bontemps about this, I'm wondering if you agree, Monica. The regular season feels like it just is really a ramp up to getting to where it's going to be. Judgment Day. You can't. Like whether. I think what Mike's trying to say is, if we beat them, I still have to prove. We still have to prove we can win. When we get to, if we can get to a conference final, we have to prove we can win in the playoffs because that's why I'm here and the previous guy isn't. Doesn't it feel like that? Like this next season, as much as we want to look at games and measuring sticks or freak out about a loss or get excited about a win, we all know none of it matters until we see the results of the spring.

[Monica McNutt]

I hear you on that, Han, but I think along the way, I don't want to hear a coach say it doesn't matter. You can tell me that this game is not the end all be all, but I don't know if I want to hear the words it doesn't matter. From the day, it's like, no, it does matter. Right. And I would argue to you that even though that is true for this organization, if we zoom out and make this a league wide conversation, why do you think everybody up and on with the ball tanking like they want it to? They want it to matter. And so I get it. Yes, we came into the season with high expectations of this New York Knicks squad. And Mike Brown is completely spot on. You were brought here to get this team over the hump, which is back to the NBA finals. But I think you should be a little more mindful of all that goes into getting through an 82 game regular season when you have the opportunity to discuss it. The facts are though, you're right. The championship is not going to be won tonight at the Garden. But as I like to go back to last year, every game is an opportunity to get better or get worse. You practice yourself.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, so what is it about the knicks over these 19 games that have four very loud losses and 15 wins that we just sort of go, okay, on to the next one? It's very strange, but that's what we're doing right now. But still, what is different, tangibly different that you're seeing from this team?

[Monica McNutt]

I think that there is a defensive identity emerging. It looks better on nights where you have Mitchell Robinson, but I do think there is some pride and communication developing on that side of basketball. And for as much as things were attempted to change, they stay the same. The reality of this team in terms of their productivity, they've got to be able to hit threes. Jalen Brunson has to play well. And from there you tell me how it falls in line. I'd like to see more of big nights from car. Anthony Town's baseline double double for him. But after that, like if you give me good three point shooting, this defense that's rated in the top 10 and Jay, the plays well, like you got a shot. That's. That has been the formula.

[Don]

How concerned are you about the Celtics? The.

[Monica McNutt]

The intangibles concern me about the Celtics, y', all, because they've been there and I don't. You either got experience or you don't Like, I can remember being very frustrated with that statement early in my career, but it's real, right? And they have experience, and they have a very clear hierarchy. And seemingly, from where we sit, there is no consternation, if you will, in the locker room over roles, because everything seems to be very clearly defined and clarity is love and communication, and that's what they got going on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now let's get to the important subject here.

[Don]

Monica.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Been enough dilly dally. Let's be honest. We've been playing enough games.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's get down to brass tax.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't.

[Monica McNutt]

I think this might be where I let you down, but go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, did you get a chance to watch Wayne's World?

[Monica McNutt]

I did not. That's why I was like, I'm going to let you go. I know, guys, Wednesday totally snuck up on me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Comes at you fast, right?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean. I mean, I had a road trip where there was lots of downtime.

[Don]

Oh, yeah?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What'd you watch on the flight?

[Monica McNutt]

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. So I'm in my reading era, so I'm trying to get off screen. I'm reading. So I was reading on the flight. But honestly, when I agreed to it, I really thought I was going to watch it the next day because we had an off day. First of all, when I get an opportunity to sleep, I don't deny myself that. So I slept, then I worked out. Then I ran into some friends, and I looked up and, like, the day was gone. So I'm going to work on it. I will report back when I get to it. We got another long road trip coming up with long flights. I won't read the whole flight. All right, Don, you know, I forgot we're streaming, though.

[Don]

I feel like it's gonna be Damian Woody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're looking at Woody part two. Maybe that's.

[Monica McNutt]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're the new Woody. You're gonna be the new D. Wood. And by the way, listen, I love Damian. It's almost like it seems like maybe this is the thing. The more we love the guests, the more they hate us and disrespect us, Don. Maybe that's how it goes. And since we all love Monica so much. No, maybe we're gonna have a nice, toxic relationship. That's what I. That's the path we're on. Yeah.

[Monica McNutt]

No, no, no. Listen, listen. The flights on this fast road trip were short. Little, like, I'm a lock in and read.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right? You can't really get in it Four

[Monica McNutt]

or five hours on the way out to the West Coast? No. So you got more time? I like our chances.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, I'm down.

[Don]

I'm down.

[Alan Hahn]

West coast, right? I could see Monica in LA going. Go outside in the sun. No, I'm going to sit inside.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I gotta watch Wayne's World. I gotta watch Wayne's World.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Monica McNutt]

You better catch me on the flight, though. Cause you're right. Competing with that LA sun gonna be tough, right?

[Alan Hahn]

When your agent calls and says, let's go in Manhattan beach, like, no, I'm watching Wayne's World.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sorry. I got my.

[Monica McNutt]

My woman of my word.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My local yokel radio hit. I do every week. I gotta. I gotta make sure these goofballs leave me alone.

[Don]

These New York goofballs.

[Alan Hahn]

Silly movie.

[Monica McNutt]

That's funny.

[Don]

What's the most.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's the most. What's the most intriguing thing happening for you outside of New York Knicks basketball in the NBA?

[Monica McNutt]

Oh, well, that's a great question. Honestly, for me, it's just going women's basketball and whether or not we're going to get to a WNBA season. What happens March 10 with all the CBA stuff and then how.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And how is that. How is that looking? How is that looking, by the way?

[Monica McNutt]

You know, it's looking a little bleak, if I'm honest. I think we're in a really dope time in women's sports, and you guys all got women in your lives. You're sports guys like. So I'm sure that you can appreciate it. But I think it is. This is really delicate because the WNBA sets the table for the way that other women's leagues go about negotiating their collective bargaining agreements. So it is a very important one to get right. But I also sit with the fact of all the women that I loved and fell in love with when I was watching the league years ago, yes, they laid the foundation. But sometimes you go into an agreement, you move the ball further, but you're not going to move the ball 60 yards. You want to be good with, you know, 35, 40. Right. Like, so. I think the now is important, but also the big picture. And this feels like a moment that if we don't get to a season, it'll be a loss on all sides.

[Alan Hahn]

So, Mon, I believe you start something exciting on Friday on msg, Right. Like this. On this trip, correct me if I'm wrong, you will be filling in on TV as the color analyst, right?

[Monica McNutt]

I will. Tyler and I are your fellow radio companions. We will kick it off in Denver I think he and I are back together in Indiana for my life. Last game of the road trip. But, yeah, I'm excited. It's always fun to jump in the TV chair. It's a better seat than radio, typically, but it's fine.

[Alan Hahn]

So, yeah, no, you say it. So let's see. This is. Again, this is the beauty of you. You say it so flippantly, like, yeah, this is what we're doing. Like, when Peter asked, what's. What's happening in your life? That's the answer I was expecting that this is.

[Monica McNutt]

He said, not Nick. He said, not Nick.

[Don]

That's right.

[Guest or Sponsor Voice]

Something.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, this is You. Personally, though, I find this to be awesome. So I'll say it for you. I think this is awesome. I'm looking forward to it. The fact that you and Tyler, who have unbelievable chemistry as we hear it on radio all the time right here on ESPN New York, will get to hear it and see it on TV in a TV broadcast with both of you. And what I'm hoping for is the same exact chemistry that you don't try to change what you guys do because it's tv and think, oh, wait, now we're in church. Now we're not in recess anymore. We have to behave. No, please don't behave. Like you guys should be who you are. And it will be very, very entertaining. Which, by the way, that Friday night game in Denver, that's another one of these. Hey, that's a good game. That's a big game.

[Monica McNutt]

Yeah, it's a big one. I appreciate that, Han. And, you know, you have been a North Star of sorts since I've arrived in this great town. So I received that information. But I also know there's got to be a little bit of editing because I want to keep my job. And we get a little inside jokey on radio sometimes. But, no, I think the chemistry will shine through. And we will probably have a joke of, like, that's a radio joke. You guys should listen to us on the radio in postseason.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, we will. I'd rather tell you to dial it back than to ramp it up. That's what I'd rather do.

[Monica McNutt]

So, Yeah, I got you.

[Don]

All right, we'll talk to you next Wednesday, hopefully with a review on Wayne's World.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. We'll pray.

[Monica McNutt]

All right. That's my goal. I got y'.

[Don]

All.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. Bye, Monica.

[Don]

Thanks a lot, Monica. You know, it's interesting, like, I give Alan credit for having the conversation about the NBA regular season, because, you know, you love Basketball, and you're involved in it, and the majority of your work is around the regular season. And Monica, the same thing, like acknowledging there's an issue, but when you're really close to it, maybe you can kind of see past it. But no, there's a lot of people that can't, you know, especially the people that have other things to do. And you know that that's the thing is you just can't take it for granted. Hey, we're the NBA. We're popular. Everybody's going to be able to consume our product. And I think off a reputation they do. There's certain nights, like Friday night, you know, that ESPN's doubleheader, and then there's always a game on Saturday night on abc. And people gravitate towards that, but you keep getting banged over the head to who's not playing. Coaches saying, it's not that big of a deal. Players and even fans just saying, oh, just wait till the postseason. It just. It just chips away at what still is a really cool product and people not, you know, consuming it the way they should because there's just other things to do.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, it frustrates me to no end because, yes, I am in the world. And sometimes when you're in the world, like you said, you feel like it's the only thing that matters. So you can. You kind of don't see it from the macro view of, you know, the, the. The. The overall sports fan who's got plenty of things on the menu to choose from, whether it's a great college basketball game tonight or a great NHL game tonight or whatever else is going on world that you could tune into. And so if you see two marquee teams going head to head, you're like, well, I want to watch them play. And then you turn it on like, this is. I'll do this. Because, as you know, I will make the choice between the NBA and the NHL On a given night, if I don't have a game, I go home. And that's what I'll say. What's on tonight? And if it's a better NHL game, if the Islanders are on, forget it. They supersede everybody. But I'm saying, in general, if it's a better hockey game than the NBA or a better college game, if St. John's is on, like, I'm like, you know, that's a pretty good game. I'm gonna watch that. Because if I go to pick, because I have league pass, I'll go to any NBA game I want to watch. And I'll say, this looks like a good one. And then I'm like, oh, wait a minute, he's not playing and he's not playing. And then they're coming off about, forget it, I'm out. Because, you know, you're just not getting the best of it on that night.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And, and that's what frustrates me is I don't want to watch what looks like a middle of the season game that doesn't have the same amount of juice. I want a game with two teams that don't like each other. They're getting after it like that's what you want. That's part of the entertainment value of watching the regular season when it's two good teams.

[Don]

And then you have people like J. Will, who our fans respect, saying they shouldn't have the 65 game rule and arguing against that. So it just, it just compounds and compounds and the product, come post season, it's, it's over. Don't worry about it because it's going to be compelling and it's going to be fun. And that's what these television networks buy into. Yes, because that's the other thing too is at the end of the day, ESPN might be upset that they might not get the marquee game in March that they wanted to, but they're also buying in play air in these regular season games because come post season time, that's when the money's made, that's when the ratings are going to pop. That's what they're buying into. And, and then it'll be fun and it'll be great again. But there's still 82 of these suckers. Okay. And there are compelling stories if you pay attention to it. So yeah, it just, I can understand it frustrating the basketball fan to no end. Let's go to Dietz in Colorado. You're on espn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

New York.

[Don]

What's up, man?

[Dietz]

Don Han. Peter, thank you for having me here. So I may have, I may have a solution to what's going on in NBA right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Dietz]

Part one is maybe, I don't know the logistics or how this would affect. Affect local markets, but maybe one week could be like a West week where you have like all the western teams play. And then Thursday, maybe you can have like, maybe a double header that highlights the rookies from the draft. Friday, Saturday you have your marquee matchups, like maybe Denver versus Minnesota or Lakers versus okc. Okay. And then the next week west is off, but that week you have eastern teams play same Idea. Thursday, highlight the rookies. Friday you have your matchups like New York versus Boston and so forth. And in those weeks, you kind of almost highlight like westweek. You can highlight maybe like the history of the Western Conference. Same thing with the East. Highlight the history of the Eastern Conference and then maybe pay attention to more of those.

[Monica McNutt]

Like this week.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. The one thing that we're missing here is that it should only be able to exist in a world where there's one arena and everybody plays in that one arena. It's very difficult to schedule dates in arenas around the country.

[Don]

Trying too hard, bro.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was.

[Alan Hahn]

But I was. He really put thought into it. I needed him to know that it's no, but is arena.

[Don]

The problem is not the presentation.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don]

The problem is getting the players to care. Getting the players to play. That's the problem.

[Alan Hahn]

I think the players care. It's the teams that feel I got to hold him back. I got to sit him out. We need more time or we don't want to win. You know, there's. I mean, Don, look at the bottom of the standings in the east and the West. I saw somebody with a stat. It blew my mind. The bottom teams in the, in the, in the, in the lottery right now are on a combined 40 game losing streak.

[Don]

Yeah,

[Alan Hahn]

40 game losing streak. Like they aren't even trying to. Like that's why Oklahoma City last night in Chicago, that's why they sat SGA and they sat Hartenstein because they knew it's the first game back to back. This game means more to them because it's at msg. It's their only visit. So they all get a little something extra from the sneaker companies to play in this game. Dirty little secret, but true. That's why stars never miss a game at the Garden because they all know it's from the West. They all know they got to play in this game. And so they sacrificed, although they won it because the Bulls, they know the Bulls aren't trying to win. And so they could. They can get away with it and win.

[Don]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

Like the same thing happened with the Celtics. They sat Jalen Brown out against the Bucks and second game back to back. Giannis,

[Don]

you found it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh boy.

[Alan Hahn]

What was what. What happened now what I do. And you never had to say oh boy. And you never had to say never, no. And you never had to say oh, is. Is she Gilgis Alexander gonna play tonight? And you never had to say wow, it's.

[Don]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

What was wrong with the other one?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's, it's just the. Never had to say. He was just giving context when he played the full club.

[Don]

It's like, it's like I'm watching Fried Green Tomatoes. Like Fanny Flagg's gonna come into the room.

[Alan Hahn]

Flag, now

[Don]

I don't know who he is anymore. No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Honestly, every day there's more.

[Alan Hahn]

This is a dangerous place we're in right now. Yeah. Because you know what's gonna happen is I'm gonna now develop a tick and I won't be able to talk anymore. And then you guys will win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then we get what we want.

[Alan Hahn]

First of all, you got what you didn't want me to begin with. So this is how you kill me off? This is how you.

[Don]

This is how you kill me off? All of a sudden he can't talk. No, we don't want that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh boy.

[Don]

But I will say this is entertainment through concern.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Both at the same time.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don]

That we're trying to entertain an audience but also saying maybe get checked.

[Alan Hahn]

So if he was that bad. Yeah. Hey, that one. I don't know. What was that?

[Don]

Just take a look at whatever medication you're taking to see if suddenly one of the side effects.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not taking any. Maybe that's the problem. Out five games on the road.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's now one or two a week are coming up.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh my God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are we going to do with this guy?

[Don]

I just want to get to the bottom of it.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm concerned, really. It's. I am going to be paralyzed to

[Don]

a point where I can't talk anymore

[Alan Hahn]

or, or what will happen is, is because I'm so careful. I am desperate to not go. I have. I had this terrible Long island accent as a kid and I fought through it to a point where I got rid of it. And I'm, I, I, it's going to come back. Because the only way I can tell back to that. And then you'll really be disgusting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not that bad.

[Alan Hahn]

Nobody likes that.

[Don]

Yeah, man. We're gonna get you through this. Don't you worry about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not that bad in the first place.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Argo. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know what I mean.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm gonna watch Argo.

[Alan Hahn]

No, Don knows what I mean when I say Argo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Argo.

[Alan Hahn]

There's more to Argo.

[Don]

See?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Argo.

[Don]

BLEEP I Honestly, this is high level disgust with you for the Argo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then.

[Don]

This is way worse than Anthony not seeing office space.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about. No. What about boys in the hood, though?

[Alan Hahn]

What about Boys in the Hood?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not have Anthony not having seen Boys in the Hood.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think Anthony would understand it. He saw it. Alan wasn't here when we had Anthony

[Peter Rosenberg]

saw Boys in the Hood. Yeah, because unlike our guests who disrespect us, Anthony at least.

[Don]

No, he runs and he. And he takes care of business. And you need to take care of business because.

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[Don]

Haven't you seen it yet?

[Alan Hahn]

It's been an hour.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I watch the way

[Don]

I watch Breaking Bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was going to say, should I pull it down in every commercial break at three minutes at a time?

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don]

All right, it's Wednesday and Wednesday is list time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We love a list.

[Don]

Let's do it. And this one is kind of sad in the sense that and it's hard to believe we lost John Candy 32 years ago today. He passed away on March 4, 1994.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How old was he?

[Don]

43, if he was a dad. And did you see the doc?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have not watched the doc yet. I heard it's tremendous.

[Don]

It's very much because he was just. Who didn't like John Camp?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was so lovable.

[Don]

And because he passed away so young, he wasn't in a ton. And he wasn't a feature player in a lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he had a lot of bit parts.

[Don]

But I think when he was in he always left an impression. So as we did with Robert Duvall about a month ago, I figured I'd go with my personal my top five John Candy characters.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, show me roles. I just named the movie. And you'll name the character.

[Don]

Oh yeah, of course. Because you may not know. I will the character.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Show me Planes, trains and automobiles.

[Don]

Thought about it.

[Monica McNutt]

Wow.

[Don]

What animated number one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What you want about Me, I'm not changing.

[Don]

I like how like me, my wife likes me, my customers like me because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. You know, during COVID Alan, I did a list of my top five plot twists, like movie enders, you know, like Sixth Sense and Shutter Island. Planes, Trains Automobiles deserves consideration because I don't think anybody had his wife being gone. And the way they did it with, you know, on the subway with Steve Martin. And he kind of pieces it together and then goes back to the train station and sees that he can't go home because he doesn't have a home to go to. It's a funny movie, but it's also very pointy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But Don, remember me and Natalie just watched it.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was my first time ever watching it all the way through. And I was blown away by the ending and had to be number one for that reason.

[Don]

Yeah. And it's just. And that's why the doc is named the way that it is. I like me because that's one of his most famous lines. So for me, that was easily number one. Alan, do you have a contribution?

[Alan Hahn]

Of course you do. I mean. I mean, I'm sure, like, you're gonna go Uncle Buck.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have to.

[Don]

Oh, by the way, Del Griffith was his name in playing trains at Automobiles. You guys are doing very well because I've got Uncle Buck, Buck Russell.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number two.

[Don]

Number two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Take this quarter, go downtown and have

[Don]

a rat gnaw that thing off your face.

[Guest or Sponsor Voice]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That line is not nice, but it's effective.

[Don]

I wanted to play the whole scene. It's like two and a half minutes. But that whole scene where he's got to go to the principal to talk about the girl getting in trouble, it's. It's so great. And I. I think that it. It certainly. I. I got it, too. You could very easily make it number one because that's. That's his movie. He doesn't have a lot of movies where it's his movie. That certainly is his movie. So I've got that at number two. Now it gets a little harder. Three, four, five.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm curious about a couple of characters that he played that he. Not necessarily was a main character.

[Don]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Make the list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Answer that part first. Some. Did some of the bit characters make the list?

[Don]

Well, when you say there. I guess.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no. Like. Like less than co. Star.

[Alan Hahn]

Less than Co star.

[Don]

Yes. Bit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bit is a little too strong. But before we go there, Alan, do you wanna. Do you have a couple others that he's co star level.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I don't think it's. It's not. It doesn't feel co star. It's definitely like a regular in the movie and a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

A hilarious character to me with. With some definite lines that I remember.

[Don]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because I'm thinking there's still major movies he starred in too. Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah, no, of course. But I'm. I'm just already going to the. Because I'm more curious about what would the. What would a supporting actor movie be? Well, I'm just going to throw it out. I'm going Stripes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He loves Stripes.

[Don]

Stripes.

[Alan Hahn]

He's so good.

[Don]

You talk about Ox.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes,

[Don]

My friends call me Ox. You might have noticed I've got a slight weight problem.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don]

I went to this doctor and he told me I. I swallowed a lot of aggression along with a lot of pizzas. So you guys are on a roll. One, two and three.

[Alan Hahn]

That character. I love that character. The mud wrestling scene. Come on now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now are. So do you still have movies he started.

[Don]

I would not say he starred in either of these two. I do have two movies he starred in. His honorable mentions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Summer Rental.

[Don]

Yeah, Summer Rental. Great Outdoors and the Great Outdoors. I. I like them. I just. They weren't as iconic to me as these other. These other roles and at least some around. I think the Great Outdoors. It's interesting. I confused it because they're kind of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're similar.

[Don]

Very similar.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, now, character. Not a huge character.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But a gigantic film. You thought about Home Alone?

[Don]

Well, I thought about Home Alone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just.

[Don]

It's too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Too much of a bit part.

[Don]

It's. It's too.

[Alan Hahn]

Bit. Okay.

[Don]

Very.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's a bit. But. But he's like the only person kind of who does that.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like he shows up and has his mom.

[Don]

We said it just. It's so. It's just at the end of the movie. It's more of. It's really a cameo.

[Alan Hahn]

When you think cameo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's when. It's when the mom starts. She said, rest her soul, Catherine o'.

[Don]

Hare.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's when she starts the trip home.

[Don]

Interesting. It's her. But would have, you know, her heavenly birthday today. Wow. So that's kind of interesting. Right? She died. She was born on the day, you know, the anniversary of John Candy's death. I didn't think about that anyway. And JFK also fit into there too. But that's very, very small. But I thought he did. It gets good. That's a serious role.

[Alan Hahn]

I was going to ask you about the JFK role because it was serious, but yet there was something compelling about the way he played that character. So good.

[Don]

It was good. But I wanted to honor him in comedy. All right, so these are the two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. I don't know. Alan, what do you got? So now we know it's not any of his major starring roles, but it's

[Alan Hahn]

not any of those baseballs can't be space, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I bet it could be Barf.

[Don]

See, how about this? This is crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, number four.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hi. You're rolling, Alan Barf.

[Don]

Not in here, mister. This is a Mercedes. Ah, that's my name.

[Alan Hahn]

Barf.

[Smalls]

Barf.

[Monica McNutt]

What are you? I'm a mog.

[Don]

Half man, half dog. I'm my own best friend. I know you don't appreciate, but I

[Peter Rosenberg]

guess that clip's already funny.

[Alan Hahn]

He sells it so well.

[Don]

And that's more. That's. That. That's poster. Like, he. He. He got credit. That's. That's a big moment. So you guys have one through four. This is an older one. This is one of the older ones. And I will give you a little bit of a hint. It involves the star of the movie we talked extensively about yesterday.

[Alan Hahn]

Yesterday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it's the Hanks vehicle. Is he in Bachelor Party?

[Don]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come on. I'm trying to remember what he's in with Hanks. That's big.

[Don]

It's big. It's not big.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a big early. No, it's not big. It's a bit. And it's early Hanks, though.

[Don]

Early. The same year as Bachelor Party.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Same year as Bachelor Party.

[Don]

So it's a 1984 vehicle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Whatchamacallit's the other 19 early Hanks movie.

[Don]

Well, it's not volunteers. I'll give you credit. 5. Freddy in Splash.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you hear me?

[Monica McNutt]

I love him.

[Don]

Give me a kiss.

[Alan Hahn]

Freddy, give your older brother a kiss.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's the matter?

[Alan Hahn]

You too, pink?

[Don]

Give me your.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love this guy's head.

[Monica McNutt]

Hey, Curly, here's a buck.

[Don]

Go watch my car.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not enough people will appreciate listening to the show that my guest for number five was Fish Woman.

[Alan Hahn]

Fish woman.

[Don]

So you couldn't hear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I couldn't remember.

[Don Hahn]

Mermaid.

[Alan Hahn]

Mermaid.

[Don]

Yeah. No. And. And the great thing, like, I could have went with the other scene earlier in that scene where he's like, they. They printed my letter. Penthouse printed my letter. I'm in Penthouse Forum. They printed every word.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm a published.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's so good.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, if you want to talk about, though, a girl, another great Bit part was him as the guard in Vacation. I thought again where they take him on all the rides.

[Don]

Yeah, he's a hostage outsider.

[Alan Hahn]

Told you he's hysterical.

[Don]

Well, he's hysterical pretty much everything.

[Alan Hahn]

It just. It is. It's not even what he says. It's just how he carries himself, his mannerisms. It's. You almost feel bad for him while laughing at him at the same time.

[Don]

But there's so many good roles.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you wanna. If you want to know what's going on in the chat, I'm told. Oh, anger, hostility, sadness and disappointment.

[Guest or Sponsor Voice]

Rage.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because we did not mention Cool Runnings.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh my God.

[Don]

And put them on your list. I. I didn't care for the movie.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no, I'm good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll take it to the next level. I don't think I've ever seen Cool Runnings in full.

[Alan Hahn]

Jesus. You can't. Oh, really? That can't be true.

[Don]

It's not as bad as Argo and I'm not gonna. Kidding. Well, because it's a Disney movie. We're all supposed to watch it. I know that'll dare you.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not a Disney movie. You're all supposed to watch it. It's just people are really fun. Sports movie. No.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's not sports adjacent. It's sports bobsled. That's. That's a sport.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it is based on a real team, correct?

[Don]

Yes. It's a true story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Also different.

[Alan Hahn]

Different era. I was a kid, so I watched it when I was a kid. I don't know how much adults would.

[Don]

And I think a lot of our audience is probably around your age. Anthony. Listen, you're gonna leave things out, all right? He was an icon. That's why he gets his own list.

[Alan Hahn]

But put it this way, I didn't think based on the list because you curated it along with me. I never thought. Why aren't you mentioning Cool Runner?

[Don]

And.

[Alan Hahn]

And I also wasn't funny in the movie. He's the coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you're serious.

[Don]

No, it's big.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don]

It's not the guy that comes up with this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is his role serious, though?

[Alan Hahn]

No. Well, yes. He's not. It's not. It's not a comedy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's not being goofball.

[Alan Hahn]

John can. No, he's trying. He's trying to get the Jamaicans doing a bobsled night.

[Don]

Right, right.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, he's serious about it, but because he's John Candy, you're watching and kind of just being like, that's John Candy. He's kind of Funny. You know, like, it's just.

[Don]

I don't think there should be outrage though, Alan, but people get outraged, especially in chat room.

[Alan Hahn]

I am mad at myself for not mentioning it, but you guys having it come to mind.

[Don]

No, but you know what? You're good.

[Alan Hahn]

I was trying too hard.

[Don]

That's just like the hall of fame. If it didn't come to mind, then maybe it doesn't belong on the list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's the I will.

[Don]

You guys want one through five? No, we killed it. No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We used to be Fish Woman. But listen, I can't feel bad about this.

[Don]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I came out when I was 14, okay? At 14, my focus was not running out, like, to see a movie like Cool Runnings. And then you go to college, you move on with your life.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, Natalie grew up on TV enough to just stop and walk.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, Alan, Alan, when did you have your first child? What year?

[Alan Hahn]

2001.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like. Like by the time your kids, like 6, 7 years old. That's a movie that's already kind of in the lexicon. I just kind of missed it.

[Don]

Don't feel bad, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I see why people who grew up on it would think of it as. Oh, my God. That's what they think of when they think of John Candy.

[Don]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don]

Well, this is my five. They can come up with theirs. I've got Freddy from Splash, number 5 bar from Spaceballs 4, Buck Russell from Uncle Buck. That's on Buck, Ox from Stripes, Maisie's Uncle Wart, and Planes, Trains and Automobiles. It's no Uncle Buck 2 and then Stripes 3. So, yeah, we had some fun with that. That was good.

[Alan Hahn]

Ox is my favorite of all his characters. My favorite number one. Oh, he's easily number one. I could watch a movie as Ox as the main character.

[Don]

That and also when they're going through the obstacle course, he kind of just runs off the course. There's so many.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys have what, like a. Like a six week program? You know, it's perfect.

[Don]

It's perfect for me. Again, we've talked about this. I love Stripes. And then they go to Germany and it dies. Just shut it off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, when they do that to Back

[Don]

Jack Boom Jugger, like a lot when they do roll crap.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about Canadian Bacon? Consider it.

[Don]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's. It's okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's got some of your favorites, though.

[Don]

Oh, no, Alan. Alda's in that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's got Candy and Alda, but again,

[Don]

you're leaving a lot of good stuff out. Like it pained me. We. Anthony will tell you, we went. We watched almost the entire movie of great outdoors looking for a really good quote. Now I was also motivated by that too. Like how good were the quotes? We watched the whole scene where he's. What was it? The old 96er where he's got to eat the 96 ounce steak.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh yeah, he's an icon.

[Don]

You're gonna leave stuff out. Blues Brothers. He was great in there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He really did get a lot more done. Now, speaking of legends who. Who have passed, Lou Holtz is no longer with us.

[Don]

Oh, really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Today at 89 years old? That's right. The first question that comes to my mind is once a jet, would Michael take it? The answer is no.

[Don]

The answer is absolutely no.

[Alan Hahn]

89.

[Peter Rosenberg]

89. Alan, you taking it right now?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, I'll take it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're probably.89 is a good number. It's right on the precipice of 90.

[Alan Hahn]

It's really. It's right on the edge of 90. That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a great. You taking Don they offer right now? Absolutely not.

[Don]

Done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sign the.

[Alan Hahn]

Sign it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

89.

[Don]

Sign it in blood. We did a lunch with a legend with him. He couldn't have been a nicer. Really? He talked about something with lunch with legend. I think about to this day. And that was like maybe 15 years ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can you tell us on the other side?

[Don]

We will.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

hold on real quick.

[Don]

Yeah, sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do want to say, before you honor the tease, Alan and I have been very into the Yuka app. Is it Yuka or Yuka App?

[Alan Hahn]

Right, it's Yuka, Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Alan, do you realize that the chips that Don has as a snack.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So the UK app, if you don't know, it's a thing that will guide you at least a little bit on, like, what's healthy based on, like, fat, calories, saturated fat, sugar, and then additives.

[Alan Hahn]

It grades food products.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it grades all food, you know, based on health. Based on health.

[Guest or Sponsor Voice]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Some of it being a caloric standpoint, which you don't care about as much, but I do. And then other things being, like, additives. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don]

I just. So I'm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm hungry, and I don't have any food. I couldn't find a parking space, so I didn't have time. So I just reached in Don's bag, and I go, don, can I have some of your chips? He goes, knock yourself out, because he's a great guy. I scanned Don's chips.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It started beeping like I was gonna die.

[Alan Hahn]

Warning. It literally beep, beep, beep. Flashing you one of these warnings.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, because I guess chips, I mean, we're talking about, like, what they uts or ruffles.

[Don]

Yeah, ruffles.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you're in that, like, neck of the wood, there's no upside. Right. So it's just a level of poison.

[Alan Hahn]

You went there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was a four.

[Don]

Lowest I've seen. I went and got a roast beef sandwich for lunch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

God blessed.

[Don]

That worked out today. And I get.

[Alan Hahn]

I wanted some chips you can eat,

[Don]

like, now that bag of chips back repug Don. That's. That's a day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How long does it last you now?

[Don]

It's. That's since Monday. And I've had some help. Mike Brown chair is a big help when it comes to chips.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're jumping in on the. You know, those chips. He's nodding his head.

[Don]

All right, sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To honor the Louisiana Holtz tease.

[Don]

Yes. So we did a lunch with. With a legend for him. We used to do this. I wouldn't say it was every month, but whenever we would get a significant person, we'd have these legend lunches, and usually at the New York Athletic Club, something like that. And Bonnie Bernstein was the host, and I went. Got to meet him. You're a big fan of this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're a big fan of that era, the show, as I recall.

[Don]

Huge fan. Because I got so much Reading done. And he said, listen to your body. He goes, that's what I do. If it doesn't matter if it's 3 o' clock in the afternoon, if I'm tired, I go to bed. If I wake up at 3 o' clock in the morning and up I get up. If I'm hungry, I eat. I listen to my body all the time. Your body tells you if you're tired, listen to your body and go to sleep. Now that's tough for us to do. If all of a sudden I want to nap at 5 during the show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean I do it, you know.

[Don]

But he said just listen. And I always think about that too. Like if it's 9 o' clock at night, you know, man, I'm tired.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know if listen to your body is best advice. I mean, why on listens to his body and he's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, see that's. But that's the difference because I.

[Alan Hahn]

His body sometimes tells him no. He's anchoring for one thing or another.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm gonna push back.

[Alan Hahn]

I hate to, I hate to end up getting you in trouble.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hate to crush you here, but I'm going. He's not listening to his body.

[Alan Hahn]

What's he listening to?

[Peter Rosenberg]

His brain or cuz addiction stuff isn't your body you're listening to if you're a food addict. He's listening to I feel blank feeling. I want to eat.

[Alan Hahn]

His brain part of your body though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but, but listening to your body's hunger is different than your. I want to. I see what I'm saying.

[Don]

Like I said, I think because, because this, this is when I think about it, it's like, like when I get up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Don]

Like the other night. I don't know why he can't do it himself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, but what's on a. Marco.

[Don]

Marco is a mover. When he sleeps. Okay, so sometimes he knocks his covers off and then I'll get like 4:30 in the morning. Daddy, Daddy. And I go in there. What's the matter? Can you fix my covers? So I got, we're gonna have, we're

[Peter Rosenberg]

have to work on this in time.

[Alan Hahn]

Marco, like Veruca, like from Willy Wonka.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no, he's not.

[Don]

He is a spoiled brat. But that's not why he's screaming.

[Alan Hahn]

And I want it now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's weird because Alan turns southern during the day but Marco turns British at night.

[Don]

Yeah, it's crazy. So now it's 4:30. I go back to bed in the morning. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can you fall asleep back at 6.

[Don]

And his alarm goes off at 6:45. So I got another 2:40. I got another 2 hours, 15 minutes of sleep.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Don]

Couldn't fall back to sleep.

[Alan Hahn]

Damn.

[Don]

So I started reading a book, and then I got a little tired and I was able to fall back to sleep. I think that's what he's talking about. Like, don't sit there, Toss and turn and force yourself. Get up, do something. Go read a book. Go do. You know? And then when your body says you're tired and go back to bed, like, you think about it, it's like, if I'm gonna just toss and turn and not fall back to sleep and listen to the alarm go off, that could have been 2 hours and 15 minutes of me doing something productive.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You could have written a letter to

[Don]

the editor and then the same thing. Like, oh, well, I go to bed at 11:15. I go to bed. But if your body's telling you you're exhausted at 9 o' clock and you're dozing, go to bed. It sounds simple. But think of all the times that we fight that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you're absolutely right. Now, let me ask you a Lou Holtz question, though.

[Don Hahn]

Sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll say mine, then. I'll allow you guys to say yours, if it's okay. What player most do you most associate with Lou Holtz?

[Don]

Tim Brown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I said I was going to go first.

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Tim Brown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, mine is Rocket. Ishmael. Based on my age, you know what's

[Don]

not a bad one? No, that's not bad. I want. I want to do over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no. Rock Man Dude. You got to be. You got to be. Because there are people out there thinking, but they're wrong.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's not strange.

[Don]

That was a big no, that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was the man, dude. Right.

[Don]

If.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you're, if you're out there, you

[Alan Hahn]

know, you know, if you're.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you're a younger person out there and you've only heard the name, or just, just look up Rocket. Ishmael.

[Don]

There's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His nickname was Rocket for a reason.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, Al, who do you got?

[Don]

Who do you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What player you most associate with?

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's where I was gonna go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rocket or Tim.

[Alan Hahn]

No, Ishmael.

[Don]

Yeah, they're both not a bad one. But I. Now I just wish I went with Rock.

[Alan Hahn]

Rocket was a brand name back then, like Sports Illustrated, like he was always referencing him. Yeah.

[Don]

His brother's name.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bob.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it was Bob. Rocket and Bob wasn't as exciting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, Rocket and Bob Ishmael he wasn't as popular, but he was good. He's a punter. Heavyset punter.

[Alan Hahn]

Actually, I think it was Jeremy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jeremy.

[Don]

Jeremy was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jeremy Ishmael. Heavyset white man who just punted, but

[Don]

they were broke a minute. You're making fun of me. No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here. If you wanted me to get one of these, I would have said Rick. Myra.

[Alan Hahn]

Not necessarily A.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did Rick Meyer win the Heisman?

[Alan Hahn]

Are you telling me?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'm asking.

[Alan Hahn]

I think he did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think Rick Meyer might have won the Heisman Trophy. So did Rocket, but with good reason.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, he earned it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rocket, Ishmael and Desmond Howard were like a year apart. Same year, Right around the exact same moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. College football, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guys, I didn't always. I know what you're saying, Rosenberg. You hate college football. Not always. There was a time it was dope.

[Alan Hahn]

It was special cadre.

[Don]

Ishmael.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ah, quadrille.

[Don Hahn]

Right, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good call.

[Don]

He. Yeah, he played Vikings, Packers, Dolphins, Saints, Ravens. He was a good player.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don]

So you guys are making fun of me, but I know, like, if you

[Alan Hahn]

weren't as fast, they called you Quadray.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don]

You're really the rare Q not followed by you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's really interesting because Quadri had the career and Rocket didn't.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, where did Rocket get drafted?

[Don]

That.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now that's a memory I do not have. Where's Dave Rothenberg?

[Don]

Well, you know. You know why you don't have a memory of it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why?

[Don]

Because his pro debut was with the Toronto Argonauts. He didn't make it to the NFL till 93. He graduated in 90. Right. Played two years in the CFL and then he went to the Raiders and played there for. From 93 to 95. Then the Panthers, and then he finished his career with the Cowboys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So hold on.

[Alan Hahn]

He got a cool 18 million from the Argos.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So that's why he went there then. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

A lot of Argo references.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it had to be money.

[Alan Hahn]

It was a fourth round pick of the Raiders.

[Don]

Yeah. Fourth round pick, you go, hold on, hold on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the same draft. So you're saying in 90, he was a fourth round draft pick of the Raiders, and he was like, bump that. I'll go be the biggest star in the CFL.

[Alan Hahn]

18 million to play in Canada because

[Don]

they're not paying a fourth round pick $18 million.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So.

[Alan Hahn]

So wait, wait, wait.

[Don]

We got a break.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no. I got to do this full circle.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, it was the offer. He got the owners, Bruce McNall, Wayne Gretzky and John Candy.

[Don]

John candy. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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