Don (1:51)

And the hotel. And listen, I thank my lucky stars for the gig. The hotel we stay at is right on the wall.

Michael (2:00)

It's gorgeous.

Don (2:00)

It is so. It's so nice.

Michael (2:02)

So nice.

Don (2:04)

I'm just telling you, it's not. It's not 100%, but it's probably in the upper 80s that that team I was talking about bet on them to lose if they get three days off in Fort Lauderdale. They got no legs for that game. None.

Peter (2:20)

Right.

Don (2:21)

You talk about going and having a day off in New York, nothing. Then like. Like sitting on a beach and sunning yourself.

Michael (2:26)

Yeah.

Don (2:26)

You got nun shot the next day.

Peter (2:29)

It is hard to pull it together afterwards. We had a nice dinner. It's the couple nights in a row.

Michael (2:33)

Couple.

Don (2:33)

Because.

Peter (2:34)

Couple beverages.

Michael (2:35)

Perhaps at least one night with boys, one you hit.

Don (2:37)

least. If you're young and you're running the town, there is something about. You go out, you party, bang. Next day, you play where it could affect you from.

Michael (2:50)

Some guys, you skated out the next morning, and they're fine.

Don (2:52)

Well, because they're. Because they're young. Like, how tired are they gonna be? Right? It's not. It's not responsible. It's not something you should do. It's not that big of a deal. But when for like, three days, you're, like, shutting down. You have, like, a little bit of a skateboard, but you just hanging by the pool or you're hanging in the ocean. And these guys are single and they're millionaires, so they're. They're.

Peter (3:11)

It's.

Don (3:12)

They've got company.

Michael (3:13)

Glorious.

Don (3:14)

And then they show up for the next game, and it's like, you know, they got nothing.

Peter (3:18)

Yeah, I mean, God knows what else is going on, too.

Don (3:21)

So I think you're out in California. You just came back from how New York has been. It's probably good. The Islanders are playing back to back. Last thing you need is, like, two days off. Listen up in, like at the beach.

Michael (3:32)

I was never one that worried about the players. No, this was about, like, I'm on this trip and I. I can't get a day.

Don (3:39)

No, I guess it's.

Producer/Researcher (3:40)

Come on.

Peter (3:41)

But you couldn't get a day.

Michael (3:43)

No, I got to cover two. I got to cover two games now, back to back, and then we're out of town. Like, no, no, this is no good.

Peter (3:48)

Right?

Michael (3:49)

I can't get one extra day, like, with. That's why it's great. The Knicks. Oh, we're there for almost a week. It's beautiful. Lakers, Clippers get in early. Although this trip, I'm not on it back to back. Lakers, Clippers, Ng same. So glad I'm not on that same. But why?

Peter (4:07)

Oh, no, different.

Michael (4:08)

Because it's back to back. For whatever reason, they're back to back.

Don (4:11)

But they're close, though. Buildings, right?

Michael (4:13)

Yeah, well, it's in the same town. But the point is, again, is you just don't get that day. You need a day.

Caller Spike (4:18)

Yeah.

Peter (4:18)

To enjoy, man.

Don (4:20)

It's a nice day.

Michael (4:21)

So I want to meet up with a friend again. It's just not about players. I. You know.

Don (4:25)

Yeah. I was talking player perspective.

Michael (4:26)

I'm talking about it from us and

Don (4:28)

from a betting perspective, if you ever see that. Now, speaking of Betting perspective. Here are the odds as of what time 7:10 last night.

Michael (4:39)

All right. Now this is before, right? This is before the news that broke today that Jayson Tatum is expected to make his debut.

Don (4:49)

This has to be that they. I'm just.

Michael (4:51)

Tomorrow night.

Don (4:52)

It says seven.

Michael (4:52)

It says.

Don (4:53)

When were these for? Because it says today, 7:10pm or it's not 7:10pm yet.

Producer/Researcher (4:57)

I just, I just copied them off of the DraftKings app.

Michael (5:00)

That's the, that's the. So they're current.

Don (5:02)

This is current.

Michael (5:04)

That's what I saw this morning on Get Up. Right. So, so just so everybody knows, though, that news, the news about Tatum didn't break until this afternoon when it was said that he now, he'd been practicing. Right.

Don (5:15)

He was in the gym, five on five.

Michael (5:16)

But they now have upgraded him from out to questionable for tomorrow night's game in Dallas or, I'm sorry, in Boston against Dallas. And, and that's got everybody thinking, okay, he's coming back and he's going to play.

Don (5:29)

So they're factoring in the Tatum is

Michael (5:31)

going to be available, which is 10 months. 10 months.

Don (5:35)

Have you seen this, Peter?

Peter (5:37)

I just did.

Don (5:38)

Okay, so we'll take the guessing out of it, but for the audience right now, the favorite to win the Eastern Conference in the postseason, I'm assuming this is postseason, not winning the conference in the regular season. Right?

Producer/Researcher (5:51)

Of course.

Don (5:52)

This is making it to the final, to the finals. The Boston Celtics at plus 240. Cavs at plus 300. And that's obviously the, the trade, the hard factor, harden deal. Pistons 380. Knicks plus 400. And then it's, then it's, you know, reindeer games.

Michael (6:11)

I don't worry about the, you know,

Don (6:12)

sixers are plus 20, 200. So those are your four. And they're all Celtics right now, the favorites.

Michael (6:17)

Yeah, but it's all pretty close.

Don (6:19)

Peter was right. No, it's very close.

Michael (6:21)

280 to 400 of over four teams, right?

Peter (6:23)

No, 240.

Michael (6:24)

240. Okay.

Peter (6:25)

So.

Don (6:26)

And then, and then there's a drop to the Pistons. I mean, for the, for the Celtics to be at 240 and the Knicks at 400 is a significant difference. They're saying of the, not, not of the entire conference, but of those four teams that I mentioned, they consider the Knicks the long shot.

Michael (6:44)

I love it. Love it.

Don (6:45)

Now, that's an interesting thing that you brought up. I get that from the fan standpoint.

Michael (6:51)

What do you mean?

Don (6:52)

Because it's like you take, you're taking the pressure Let everybody think. Because I always say that to fans. Don't you want everybody not believing in your team rather than having everybody the expectations? But does that work for players, too?

Michael (7:04)

Yes. Well, first of all, the players don't care what you think. We don't think you can win. Okay, great. What do you think this is going to now make me, like, feel bad about how I'm playing? Oh, nobody's picking us. What does that usually do, Don?

Peter (7:19)

I think the only effect, it usually has the opposite.

Michael (7:21)

Yes.

Peter (7:22)

If it does anything, it's positive.

Michael (7:23)

It's. It's. To me, it's when you're the favorite, it's. It almost feels like everything's accelerated. And how many times did you said this, Don, where we build you up to our standard, and then when you don't, when you don't reach that standard, we tell you you suck or you failed, and it's like, wait, no, we didn't. Like, you're the one that set this. We didn't. I do think when you're. When you're especially a veteran team, I don't need to be told that you think we're going to win at all. I don't need to be told I'm a favorite. Just tell me where to go and I'm going to play.

Don (7:55)

Right.

Michael (7:55)

That's usually what it is. What you want to do is make sure that you're setting yourself up in the right situations where I'll have home court for as much as I possibly can. And as we saw last year, anything goes because the Knicks ended up having home court in the conference finals because the Pacers got there. They knocked off the Cavs, so anything can happen. So all you care about is how do you feel about your game when you get to the postseason. Not what are they saying about us. A young team might care about that. We need our respect. I'd rather be the team that under promises and over delivers. So I'd rather be the team that people say they could win, but they're not one of the favorites. They're the fourth favorite.

Caller Spike (8:37)

Quote.

Michael (8:37)

Great, that's perfect.

Don (8:38)

Now, I guess take the pressure off. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. But we do respect the odds that Vegas puts on. They seem to kind of know what they're doing.

Michael (8:47)

Of course. Right. Well, you know what? That's based on the Tatum stuff.

Don (8:50)

Well, it's based on the Tatum stuff

Michael (8:53)

and the fact that they're second in

Don (8:54)

the league, but it also, yeah, it tells you how they played without Tatum.

Michael (8:58)

Yeah. They've been great.

Don (8:59)

But what they're also telling you is they're not buying the Knicks.

Michael (9:02)

They're not buying anybody.

Don (9:03)

They're not buying anybody. Now obviously you're not going to buy the Cavaliers. They've never done a thing in the postseason. Harden's never done a thing in the postseason.

Michael (9:09)

No.

Don (9:09)

Right. So why would you believe in the Cavs? Both those Detroit prove it to me.

Michael (9:13)

Yep.

Don (9:13)

Because they haven't been out of the first round since 2008.

Michael (9:16)

Right.

Don (9:17)

But the Knicks were in the conference final last year. Yeah, the Knicks were the odds on favorite at the beginning of the year to go. So why the disrespect for the Knicks? Is it just because, hey, look, they can't beat the Pistons, so why am I going to pick them?

Michael (9:30)

Do they want.

Don (9:31)

They're going to lose to the Pistons at some point?

Michael (9:33)

Do they want the money? Do they want the New York money?

Producer/Researcher (9:36)

Well, let's. We can extrapolate it out too. When you think about it, what do you mean? Forget the first round, because by being top four, the Knicks are obviously going to win their first round matchup. That's what DraftKings and Vegas is predicting. They're not going to face the Pistons yet. If everything's the way it's supposed to be, they could face Boston.

Michael (9:54)

Correct. That's right.

Producer/Researcher (9:56)

Well, if Boston's the favorite, they can't have them in a second round matchup not be favored against the Knicks. So now they, so then by that

Michael (10:04)

you don't get to the conference final

Producer/Researcher (10:05)

and then one of those other teams, whether it be the Pistons or the Cavs.

Michael (10:08)

Right.

Producer/Researcher (10:08)

Have a chance to get to the conference finals better than the Knicks because the Celtics would beat them in the second.

Michael (10:12)

Yeah. So you're just doing a simple math. The reason why the Knicks are fourth is because they don't see them getting past the Celtics because the Celtics are their favorite.

Don (10:17)

But my point is, is that with Tatum, the Knicks beat the Celtics last year. Vegas is telling you that was a fluke.

Michael (10:26)

Knicks are also 2 and 1 against

Don (10:27)

Celtics this year without Tatum.

Michael (10:30)

Right.

Don (10:31)

And I think you can make the case the Knicks are. Even though they have the same record they did last year. You just mentioned they're much better against good teams than they were last year. They've got a different coach playing better now towards the end of the season.

Michael (10:42)

Right, but don't you see.

Don (10:43)

But nobody's buying it because they, they don't believe that last year.

Michael (10:46)

I don't think this is about the Knicks. I think this is about the Celtics. This is a team. This is. First of all, this is a head coach who's been there. This is a team that they know Tatum was coming back. That's two superstars that have won a championship. So of course they become the favorite. They are banking on the idea that people just see the brand name Jayson Tatum and think, oh my God, they're getting back an all NBA superstar. But we all know that's not what they're getting right now. They're not getting that version of him.

Don (11:17)

No.

Michael (11:17)

Have you seen guys come back from Achilles? We've seen them all. Kobe Bryant came back in about eight months and Kobe Bryant played and got hurt and played a little more, then got hurt more and then he broke his leg.

Peter (11:28)

Yeah, that was the end.

Michael (11:29)

So like, like these things do happen where players come back and we all think you're taking the guy for who you know him as. And now he. You're adding him into this team. So that's the first. Buyer beware is, you know, this is going to take Tatum a while to find his game.

Don (11:45)

And.

Michael (11:46)

And while he's doing it, he has to do it with a team that's learned to play without him. How does that impact it?

Peter (11:51)

That's what is weird. You got to find time too. Right.

Michael (11:54)

This is not the same team that they've had the last couple of years that had veterans and they were, they've been there, done that. This is not that team. Brown, Derek, White, those are the same guys. Everybody else young, everybody else inexperienced. This is.

Don (12:08)

Besides that.

Peter (12:09)

That's it.

Michael (12:09)

He didn't play a lot. No, actually I think he was hurt, wasn't he? Like they.

Peter (12:13)

Not a huge part of it, but

Michael (12:14)

they are a different team. But we again are just assuming it's the Celtics. They've already won a championship recently. So this is who you have. This is about the brand names. This is making you. Tricking you into seeing Celtics, Brown, Tatum, Missoula. Oh, okay. They've been there, done that. Detroit has no experience. But if you look at the Celtic roster and who plays in that rotation, it's not. You can't name those guys.

Don (12:40)

You can.

Michael (12:41)

Hugo Gonzalez. You know who he is?

Peter (12:42)

Peter? Not really, no.

Michael (12:44)

But he's been a really nice find. He's a rookie.

Peter (12:45)

Yeah.

Michael (12:46)

Like they have, they have, they have the different players they have on this roster.

Peter (12:51)

Oh, no.

Michael (12:51)

You will shake your head and say

Peter (12:53)

if you watch only in the playoffs and that's when you see the Celtics

Michael (12:56)

and you'll say, wait, this isn't the

Peter (12:57)

same team as last year.

Don (12:58)

Yeah.

Peter (12:58)

But there is legit value Allen still to of course star players who've won a championship with this head coach. Right.

Michael (13:04)

But that's a, that's a Peyton Pritchard right. Because he won six man of the year. So you know what he's about. But there's so many Baylor Scheimen starting by the way and Luca Garza. This is who they've got. This is who they're playing. Then they traded for Vucevich who's never been out of the first round in his life.

Peter (13:21)

Remember this was so this was a team this year.

Michael (13:23)

It's buyer beware.

Peter (13:24)

This was a team this year that I think they thought we're going to make some moves and prepare for the following year. And this is then turned into this year. But I don't think this was the team they thought they were going to chase a championship with. I assume next year.

Michael (13:38)

They thought everybody different. Everybody on the outside thought this was a gap year for the Celtics.

Peter (13:43)

Right.

Michael (13:43)

Everybody assumed what Indiana's doing is what Boston what it's going to do to except Brad Stevens and Joe Missoula said no we're not. We're going to compete and we're going to see where we are. And their defense is phenomenal. Brown has been fantastic and here we are and they're they but they have a hard schedule to finish. They just got smoked last night by a red hot Hornets team. And now I'm curious to see if Tatum parachuting in does disrupt what they're doing. And does you get to a point where you play Tatum a little bit, let him get a taste and then just say, you know what, he made the comeback but he's not ready for the playoffs and we'll see you next year.

Peter (14:19)

And as we always Michael, I think as Michael always likes to say, first world problems are still problems getting Tatum back when this has become for this year this new group that they have, including those some of those names that Alan just mentioned, they don't. They've never played on a team with Jason Tatum.

Producer/Researcher (14:36)

No.

Peter (14:36)

They're on Jalen Brown's team. This is Jalen Brown's team.

Michael (14:39)

Yes.

Peter (14:39)

Tatum will come back and not be a full strength. Will he know how to sit back and still let it be Jaylen Brown's team.

Michael (14:47)

It's going to be interesting from his documentary is when I come back I will not be a role player. He's going to have to be a role player.

Peter (14:54)

He has to be. He can't just come Back.

Michael (14:56)

This is fascinating to watch.

Peter (14:57)

Yeah, otherwise. Otherwise, God forbid, he's getting hurt again.

Michael (15:00)

Well, that's what I'm. And again, the history of these comebacks do include minor injuries, so it's interesting.

Don (15:08)

No, it is interesting, but what they're saying is, hey, these are the defending champions and the other three guys haven't really done anything. Knicks went to the conference final last year. Yes. But really what they accomplished last year was beating Boston. That was the accomplishment. They didn't beat the Pacers.

Michael (15:23)

Right.

Don (15:23)

And Detroit gave him a handful.

Michael (15:25)

Yep.

Don (15:26)

The big flex was beating Boston. Could they do it again? And maybe Vegas is betting on the fact that. I think last year was a fluke. They caught Boston maybe sleeping a little bit because they were the defending champs. Knicks had a chit in the chip on their shoulder. They took advantage. And the other thing, too, you know, we looked at it as great. You know, you can't be spotting the Celtics 20 points. Expect to win all the time. You know, you play the exact same way this time. You know, they'll be like, wait, they're going to wake up now. They're going to be mining their P's and Q's. But Vegas doesn't always get it right. But it is interesting to get a perspective outside of what people think and they don't believe just yet. But it also could be, hey, let's get the Knick fans, which there are many to now bet on The Knicks at plus 400.

Michael (16:07)

Right.

Don (16:07)

Plus 400 by the time we get to the playoffs. How those odds might change. How does Tatum fit in with Boston? How do the Knicks close out the season? Those odds might change pretty dramatically. And the one thing that can't change is the matchup with the Pistons because

Michael (16:20)

they don't play them again and again. Just to repeat, I never understood fans who get angry when either Vegas or national analysts don't pick your team to be like the best or don't, don't believe in your team. Why does that bother you? That's that you would rather that because once you are considered the favorite, the expectations ramp up. We do know it's New York to me. I'd rather not have that hanging over my.

Peter (16:49)

True.

Don (16:50)

But you've also played amazing basketball with all the expectations going into the season, you know, so it all depends how you look at it. Let's go to spike in St. Pete. You're on ESPN, New York. What's up, Spike?

Caller Spike (17:02)

Hey, guys. Good to talk to you. I think it's good, Father. For sports talk radio, Alan makes Such a great point. The history behind these Achilles returns. They're plentiful. They really are in other sports, too. And they run the risk of someone like Tatum getting re injured by trying to play too hard. Fit in Bala, Shireman and Garza. You know, these were no names. They changed a lot of people. Lot of frontline players on Celtics. They had a great year. They got the best coach in the East. Boston. But. But I really see it differently. I realized something last night. I. Don't get excited, Don. You're 100% on the money. Nothing is different today than it was prior to that OKC game. But I see stuff that I don't approve of. But I gotta live with it. Like things in life. You gotta live with them. This guy Dort is updated version of a dirty guy that pushes the limit. And. And as great as SGA is the second best player on the planet. You can't breathe on a guy. And he's created that illusion. He really has a couple of calls in the game. Look, the next showed they could stay with him. I knew that before the game Last year they blew a big lead and then they got whacked. It's very even this year. It really is. And I think the sleeping giant Aaron Gordon's coming back out on Friday night. Did you know that?

Michael (18:22)

Yeah, yeah. They were trying to get him back. He's been hurt all year.

Caller Spike (18:25)

I know that. But he's vital. He's vital to them because they got. The shooter they got from the Nets hasn't quite hit yet. These are all extremes.

Michael (18:37)

And they miss. They miss. Peyton Watson, he's been a really good piece for them. And he got hurt, too.

Caller Spike (18:41)

Yeah. One more question for you. You got to settle this, man. I don't know you already. Guys, this is what I can't fathom. I keep hearing it from guys who know basketball like Allen and Lesson and so on so forth. I understand. Guys like Shaq and LeBron are impossible to appreciate. I've heard that from a lot of guys. Officials too. Why does Jokic. They beat him up and. Because he looks like he is. And he just doesn't look like the best player in the world. And he's the best player in the world. He comes out of a game looking like he's got sunburned. He gets whacked up and he's so red.

Michael (19:12)

Yeah. He gets scratch. Yeah.

Caller Spike (19:14)

Why does. Why does he. Why does he not get the calls based on size? And why does Jalen Brunson, who flops along with SGA and they're two great players to me, different styles. Why doesn't Brunson get the calls and SGA does? And why doesn't. Why doesn't Jokic get the respect? I don't understand that. Explain it to me.

Michael (19:36)

Well, Jokic has won three mvp, so I think he gets plenty of respect. The Brunson thing is that people still call him, you know, the free throw merchant, just like they do with Shea. But you don't realize that Brunson, his free throw attempts are down this season. And a lot of things that he was able to do in the previous two years, to draw fouls that frustrated opponents, they're not giving him those whistles anymore. He does get beat up. I don't get it. But I think the more physical of a player you are, the more they allow the defense to be physical with you. That's what I think. I think we. I think that's what happens. And the more athletic and like, in, like, slippery player gets the calls because they're not playing physical. I don't know how. I don't know how else to describe it, but that's. It's. It's the hardest sport to me to officiate because it's players by player. It's not like one. One rule for everybody. It seems like it changes based on the physicality of a player.

Peter (20:43)

Also, you can be sure I saw a replay many times that SGA shot last night. There can be angles where people are sure there's no foul and there still is some level of.

Michael (20:54)

I absolutely agree.

Peter (20:55)

It happens all the time.

Michael (20:56)

Again, he only took six free throws last night. He took seven, but the seventh was the Tech on Mike Brown, so you don't count that. But with fouls drawn, he took six free throws. That's well below his average. He averages almost 10.

Peter (21:10)

If we want to talk about SGA violating, it should be the jacket that he wore.

Michael (21:16)

Can we talk about this?

Peter (21:17)

That was egregious.

Michael (21:18)

It was 50 degrees when they got to the arena. And that as. Don, you know that tunnel, the ramp?

Don (21:27)

You're on the fifth floor and the ramp takes you right down to the buses. So you don't have to wait for the elevator.

Michael (21:32)

Now there's an elevator that all the players can get on. It's a very famous freight elevator that. I mean, Sinatra has been on this elevator. It's like you're talking about. The one thing they left after they did the transformation was that elevator. Because it's just such a historic elevator. But a lot of players just prefer to walk up the ramp. Now it's a long walk and it was warm and still. He had this thing on walking in because he knew the cameras be out. It's an ESPN game. They're always going to make sure they get a shot of it. And yeah, and then he wore it post game while talking to the media with his mouth covered by this. You know what this they'd look like a build a bear.

Don (22:08)

I don't know if this will be one of ours, but that guy. Thursday's next.

Peter (22:13)

It's fringing on that guy. It's for sure.

Michael (22:16)

It's trending. That guy.

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talking about the yo yos who set themselves on fire and bathe in pork and beans.

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Or know that one person I'm here with, my family who can't help but be.

Peter (25:56)

He's not cool. His voice is weird. He's kind of a dork. His brother's a tool. His girlfriend's annoying.

Podcast Host (26:01)

That guy.

Don (26:02)

I didn't know it was banner night. We won't be out for that.

Podcast Host (26:05)

It's time for that Guy Thursday.

Michael (26:08)

Hey, guys. Anyone want to play some ball with

Podcast Host (26:10)

Don Han and Rosenberg?

Don (26:12)

He's just being that guy.

Michael (26:16)

Well, I'm going to start today with. I don't know if this is being that guy, but you're definitely like, you're not being a good guy here.

Don (26:26)

Oh, okay.

Michael (26:27)

Who's that? There's this incredible story that I read. It has to do with Cal State Bakerfield, okay, Their men's basketball team, Their head coach, Rod Barnes, has been dismissed. They're the worst team in the league. So it's not like, you know, he was doing anything special. But he had been there for a while. But he was dismissed along with some others because there was a Email from a tipster that. That alleged that Barnes had hired an assistant coach, a guy named Kevin Mays, who was also working. He was, you know, doing some side hustle as a pimp. Okay, I'm sorry.

Peter (27:16)

Don almost spit out his coffee.

Don (27:18)

I was not expecting that.

Michael (27:20)

Across four states, while also coaching Cal State Bakersfield.

Don (27:26)

Four states. So you got to figure that's Nevada, Oregon, because Bakerfield, Bakersfield is what, like Sacramento?

Michael (27:35)

It's in the Dust Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don (27:37)

Working four states.

Michael (27:38)

Yeah. So, yeah. So that's the problem is Kevin Mays. He pleaded not guilty, of course, and he is not. He's not commenting at all. There is, according to this. This well written story on ESPN.com a lot of evidence that he has been involved in human trafficking. And, boy, and also, yes, setting up for different meetings for what a pimp would do while also coaching the team. It's just a bizarre thing, right? Because if you want to be a coach, a basketball coach, this is what your dream is to do. And by the way, he was a player. He did play. He was getting $3,000 a month as an assistant coach. Not a ton of money, but he's getting paid and he's working.

Don (28:31)

Jacob doesn't make a lot of money. I don't think he's a pimp.

Michael (28:33)

No. Well, we don't know, but if we found out, that would be. I told Anthony, like, it would make more sense if we did it for some extra cash.

Don (28:41)

I know you don't want to mean anything, just, like, just wink if you do any pimping.

Michael (28:46)

Here's an example, though.

Don (28:49)

Remember, pimping ain't easy, but it's necessary.

Michael (28:52)

Did I steal it from you? I'm sorry.

Peter (28:53)

I was trying to build to get there, and I couldn't. He saw it and he ran it over.

Michael (28:57)

My bad. Mays, by the way, denied any involvement in prostitution and told police that his girlfriend had possession of his rental car. The rental car was, of course, he rented through the school. That's. That's not good either.

Don (29:15)

No.

Michael (29:17)

Yeah. They have found multiple firearms when searching his apartment, automatic rifles, a large quantity of drugs, and several other things. And yeah, it's. There's a lot of things that just get more and more disturbing, but it's just so bizarre because why would you become a coach? Like what? Like, so this man who is a men's head, men's basketball coach in college that hired you onto his staff, right? And you've destroyed all of it, rather than like if you were already in this business of being A pimp.

Producer/Researcher (29:52)

Just.

Michael (29:52)

Just be a pimp.

Peter (29:53)

Cal State Bakersfield head coach. Physician.

Michael (29:56)

Yeah.

Peter (29:57)

What do we think that's bringing in it?

Michael (30:00)

Probably six figures.

Peter (30:02)

But low, low, low, low, low six figures, depending on his experience.

Michael (30:07)

It's. It's a. It's one of these, like, you know you want to. It's a proven ground start. Yeah. You're gonna start your career there.

Peter (30:12)

It's called 130 grand.

Michael (30:13)

He's been. He's. Yeah. So again, enough money to live on. Mace played for the school, Right. Guy played at the school, and his whole plan was to play pro overseas, and he kept working at the school, and his whole thing was how he wanted to give back to the school. And by giving back, I mean taking everything he could. So this is a guy that has ruined other lives. Never. Not to mention probably some of the women who he forced to work for him and trafficked and all that stuff. And then a head coach who had a job, who had no idea this was going on. Clueless and lost his job, too.

Producer/Researcher (30:55)

So he was a recent hire.

Michael (30:57)

Yeah.

Producer/Researcher (30:58)

On the staff since June. Made $3,000 a month.

Michael (31:00)

I said that. Yeah.

Peter (31:02)

$3,000 a month.

Michael (31:04)

That's it. And apparently had the ability to rent a car through the school's account.

Don (31:08)

Right.

Michael (31:08)

And then ended up letting the girls use it when they would meet men.

Peter (31:13)

You know, listen, people. People make.

Michael (31:15)

That's a guy.

Don (31:15)

How do you stumble into something that's a guy?

Peter (31:17)

I don't think you stumble.

Don (31:19)

Well, I mean, I don't think he's walking around, you know, I don't think

Michael (31:22)

he's got a fur coat.

Don (31:24)

Dream coat. Yeah, yeah. Like. But it did. But let me ask you.

Michael (31:29)

Nothing tips you off. You don't watch the guy and think this

Don (31:34)

because, hey, listen, you're concentrating on your team, right? The last thing in the world you're thinking is, this guy's a pimp, right? And. I don't know, did women come to him? Was he recruiting women to do it, or.

Michael (31:48)

Apparently he was. He would use, like, threats and stuff, make them work.

Don (31:54)

I.

Michael (31:55)

His story gets just. Like. There's things I don't really want to say about it.

Peter (31:58)

Like, dark stuff.

Michael (31:59)

It's pretty.

Don (32:00)

I don't want to defend the head coach, but, like, is that gonna be on your radar? Like, I do things. I don't. How would it be? Like, I guess he should be paying attention, but is that something you're looking for? Let's make sure that none of my assistant coaches are pimping out women.

Peter (32:18)

That's. That's the hard part, right?

Don (32:19)

I mean, like, I don't think that's on you. Like, so what would you see that would be suspicious? You're so focused on the game plan. We hear about these coaches, all they do is think about the sport that they coach, and they don't. They don't pay attention to their families or anything else. Like, I don't know. What would be something that would raise your antenna? They would say, I think he. I think something's going on.

Michael (32:39)

Like, this guy's a little shady. I don't know what's going on.

Don (32:42)

Selling drugs, maybe you notice something.

Michael (32:44)

Wouldn't you, though?

Don (32:45)

Weird people hanging around.

Michael (32:46)

Yeah, weird people hanging around is usually the part that tips you off. This coach comes around and who. These people he's with, like, what's going on?

Don (32:52)

No, he's young. How old was he?

Michael (32:56)

I did not see an age in here. But he played. He played there for two years in the mid teens. 20, 20, 15, 16.

Don (33:03)

So he's probably in his early 30s.

Michael (33:04)

He's probably. Yeah.

Don (33:05)

You know, I guess maybe some women are hanging around. Are you thinking. Make sure he's not pimping out those women or be like, oh, look, he's really popular. What's going. What's going on with these?

Peter (33:15)

So let me. Let me first.

Don (33:17)

It just. It's weird. I don't know.

Michael (33:19)

You guys know the rap sheet? 11 criminal and misdemeanor charges, including felonies such as pimping, which I didn't know was a felony, but okay. And all kinds of other charges of possession of firearms.

Peter (33:30)

33 years old, I'm told, by the way.

Michael (33:32)

33.

Peter (33:33)

33.

Don (33:33)

So, yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know what something like that looks like. Maybe just call me naive or whatever, but like, I. I could honestly say I've never met a pimp.

Michael (33:47)

Never?

Don (33:48)

No.

Peter (33:49)

You don't know that.

Don (33:50)

Well, no, Very good point. Yeah, I never knowingly.

Michael (33:53)

There you go.

Don (33:54)

Like, oh, did you. Or had any of my friends become a pimp?

Michael (33:58)

Well, that's the friends.

Don (33:59)

I've had friends do drugs. I don't think I knew any friends that sold drugs other than maybe like, selling mariju or whatever.

Peter (34:05)

Come on. No mask.

Don (34:07)

I don't. I don't.

Michael (34:08)

Back in the day.

Peter (34:09)

No hash.

Michael (34:09)

Oxy's.

Peter (34:11)

Whoa.

Michael (34:12)

What is going on?

Don (34:13)

I wouldn't.

Peter (34:14)

That's crazy.

Michael (34:15)

Then what do you mean?

Peter (34:16)

I was sticking in high school.

Michael (34:17)

That was a thing for a while.

Peter (34:18)

I was sticking with.

Michael (34:19)

I was sticking with major problems.

Peter (34:20)

I was Sticking with the stoner drugs. You jumped right to the opioids got intense. You don't.

Michael (34:25)

You don't remember how it was almost like too common.

Peter (34:27)

Well, of course it's a major problem

Michael (34:30)

for people you knew.

Peter (34:31)

Well, this is all. You're revealing all kinds of information.

Michael (34:33)

Listen, where I'm from, you know. Yeah.

Don (34:36)

But what I found with people like this guy, especially since his job would be on the line, they're usually pretty good until they're not of hiding that stuff. Like I was always the square. Like I wasn't the guy that got involved in that stuff. So going around so. But they knew. Don't. Don't bring that up to Don. Don't show that to. Don't invite Don to that party where

Michael (35:03)

that's gonna knock us out.

Don (35:04)

No, it's just that they knew that that's not how I roll.

Peter (35:07)

I will respect.

Don (35:08)

Listen, all I know is that the people that did crimes back when I was a kid, they were respectful of the people that didn't. That were straight. Like the movies will always make it seem like they'd walk all over you or think you were a loser. The pictures. Not that I knew a lot of people that were a criminal element, but

Peter (35:26)

you had your share.

Don (35:27)

But I felt the people that did roll that way didn't involve the people that did not because they were afraid. They get knocked out. Just like, no, that's not how we roll. Cool. Don't involve him.

Michael (35:37)

It was always like, you don't want this. No, Donnie.

Don (35:39)

No, exactly.

Michael (35:40)

You don't want this.

Don (35:41)

How come you didn't invite me to that party? You don't like and you don't want it. Then you find out that party was.

Michael (35:46)

Yeah, you don't want to be around that.

Don (35:47)

But I honestly didn't know a lot

Peter (35:49)

of people

Don (35:52)

that I honestly. I never knew anybody that did coke.

Michael (35:56)

I would always find out after the fact like, oh yeah, you know, like where it's. Wherever we're at and it's like, oh, you know that guy you met, like what's his name? Yeah, yeah. He's a pimp. What? Because you think pimp. And of course. What do you think? You think of course the movie character of a pimp. Right.

Peter (36:09)

You're picturing the Godfather from wwe.

Michael (36:11)

But. But it's.

Don (36:12)

It's just regular Jacob Anthony.

Peter (36:14)

I was for you guys. Now I'm throw something at you. Speaking of wwe, real quick, I have a that guy concern. One of the news making items making it around the dirt sheets as they're known. The wwe, sort of the wrestling world news. We call it the dirt sheets where I'm from. Interesting is that WWE has done some copyright work around nicknames related to Tom Brady, including T Bone and the Untouchable. Tom Brady. Oh, I don't know if you guys saw the news story last week around the Super Bowl. Actually, Tom Brady had said some choice things about Logan Paul in lead up to what I thought was about the flag football game that they're supposed to be playing that I'm guessing is being postponed.

Michael (37:04)

Oh, the one in Mexico?

Peter (37:05)

No, the one in Riyadh.

Michael (37:06)

Oh, Riyadh, right.

Don (37:07)

I'm an outrageous amount of money.

Michael (37:09)

That's right. That was a. That's a lot of money. That now will not.

Peter (37:12)

I don't know when they're going to do it. I can't imagine it's now. I saw that.

Don (37:16)

How would you get there?

Peter (37:17)

I saw that the embassy burned to the ground. I believe in Riyadh. So I thought the original back and forth between Brady and Logan Paul was maybe related to that. But now that I see WWE going to file for some copyright stuff.

Michael (37:31)

What are you saying?

Peter (37:33)

Is Tom Brady so in his I want to be outside mode that he's going to find a role at WrestleMania 42, which takes place where? Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas.

Michael (37:49)

Oh, come on. And that is a coincidence.

Peter (37:54)

And is Tom Brady, that guy? Like, he was. He was like, so didn't want to do anything. Now he's like, Mr. Outside.

Michael (38:00)

You know what? What would you say, Duncan? I would say I could see it.

Peter (38:04)

See him doing it.

Don (38:05)

Well, listen, we've seen football players before, obviously. Lawrence Taylor did it years.

Peter (38:09)

I don't see him actually wrestling, though. I see him, like, managing or something.

Michael (38:13)

Here's the.

Don (38:14)

No, sharp. Don't answer this. Now for a tease. You're teasing.

Michael (38:19)

Teasing.

Don (38:21)

When you look at it from a percentage standpoint. All right, is it more of a drop reputation wise for Tom to do it, or is it more of a rise in reputation for the WWE that Tom wants to do it? 1-800-919377 I'll answer.

Peter (38:42)

It's very easy. I'm slightly offended by the question, but I'll answer on the other side. Yeah.

Michael (38:45)

How dare you.

Don (38:46)

We don't have to have the answer. Then how about.

Peter (38:48)

Well, no, the question's offensive is whether I answer or not. The question itself is offensive. It's been asked. It's out there. It's floating in the universe.

Don (38:54)

But why would he be offended?

Michael (38:56)

Not only that, why. Why is he making you look bad on your own show.

Peter (38:59)

I'm not making.

Don (38:59)

Well, first of all, it's not my show.

Michael (39:01)

Good question.

Don (39:02)

You just insulted all of us.

Michael (39:04)

Everybody. No, this is. This is what we shouldn't be doing

Peter (39:08)

on the other how about just play along?

Don (39:10)

I don't. I've always been told there's no such thing as dumb questions, just dumb people.

Michael (39:14)

Right?

Don (39:15)

So Peter called me dumb.

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Peter (43:08)

95. WrestleMania. Peter, a putrid WrestleMania was offended by the question.

Don (43:13)

By the question. And he continues, well, I mean, you asked the question.

Peter (43:16)

I didn't think where you were going to go was do I think that it could be a bigger drop for his credibility than I don't think. I know I'm very biased here, but I'm sorry, at this point, I don't think getting involved with WrestleMania unless you were like, I mean, if like some respected author or like, you know, I don't even know who would be the person who I'd say would have a credibility issue after doing WrestleMania. I mean, Tom Brady's not the biggest star to ever do WrestleMania. He wouldn't be right now.

Don (43:52)

No. But this would be. No. Anything you could make the case he should be honored. He should be so honored. But that's obviously coming from a biased opinion of somebody that's involved in wrestling. You don't think there will be people.

Peter (44:03)

Of course there will. That will say, yeah, Phil Mushnick, not

Don (44:06)

just Phil Mushnik, there'll be people in New England, big Patriot fans that aren't wrestling fans going, tom, don't do that. You're a seven time super bowl champion. What are you doing that for? I'm not saying it's right, but you can't say there aren't going to be people that are going to judge him harshly. I included the fact that I think it's not going to be as big a deal because the WWE is not looked upon the way it was 30, 40 years ago. Fair. And so I asked the question. I should be offended by it. But there will be people that will go, really, Tom? Because you said there have been bigger celebrities, but is there ever been people that have been as good at something the way Tom Brady was good at football that would do this?

Peter (44:43)

I will remind everybody that Muhammad Ali was involved in WrestleMania 1. All right. Literally. So we're talking literally. I know we call Tom Brady the goat, but the one we know as the greatest was involved in WrestleMania 1.

Don (44:54)

Just to throw that out, I don't think.

Peter (44:55)

But different time.

Michael (44:56)

But he also riskier. But he was also a boxer. He was also somebody that you were used to seeing in a ring.

Don (45:01)

Boxing and wrestling did time. A lot of that with under lips.

Peter (45:06)

That's right.

Don (45:07)

No better example.

Peter (45:08)

So. Well, I mean, again, that was a. But still. No, it's confusing. I know a lot happened at that time.

Michael (45:13)

Get that Polaroid.

Peter (45:13)

But. But no, I hear your question. Of course, I don't think it would do. If you are upset about Tom Brady being involved in WrestleMania, if that happens. That's the speculation today. I would say you should be more upset frankly at him doing the yo yo flag football that to me because now you're messing with football. Like that's, that's. You're going to play a football game against non football players after your career and some football players after your career for a gigantic bet.

Don (45:46)

The amount of money matters though. Sure.

Peter (45:47)

But he'll get. It's like I guarantee if he's involved WrestleMania, it won't be for free.

Don (45:50)

Yeah, but I think the. I think the Saudi Arabia thing was like $35 million.

Michael (45:53)

Yeah. And the whole idea with that was that it would be this notion that you're trying to sell the game of Football like you're doing something good, when really all it is, it's a check, right?

Don (46:01)

It's a money grab.

Michael (46:02)

We know what that's about. This is, for me, Brady, doing this now is fun. It's fun.

Peter (46:10)

That's why I think it's more personality.

Michael (46:12)

It's fun. It's that kind of a thing. Now, again, I think, though, Brady. Brady emerges. First of all, he's an owner. I know, but he's his. He's an owner. He's a major broadcaster now. There's this sense of him being like, now that he's getting older, matured, and to be taken seriously, and then he's gonna do something like this. And it's like, all right, now you go and gronk on us. But we have to know that Brady, throughout his career was a lot of that. He was a lot of that behind the scenes. Yes, he was serious about preparation, everything like that. But he's a lunatic.

Peter (46:45)

No, there's the famous video of him throwing the Lombardi Trophy. I mean, this. He's a guy who's down for some fun.

Michael (46:50)

That's what I mean. So I don't think anything of it. I really.

Peter (46:54)

I would argue this, though, too.

Michael (46:55)

This is not Neil DeGrasse Tyson, like, doing something. You know what I mean?

Peter (46:59)

You name someone that would be a good person.

Michael (47:00)

This is Tom Brady. So he played sports.

Peter (47:03)

I'm with you on that. That's exactly what I was trying to articulate. And frankly, for me, Tom, for Tom Brady, who has hundreds of millions of dollars, I would have a bigger question mark about you chasing a huge bag to play in a silly fugazi football game than I would for you deciding to be part of a. It may not be a real sport, we're aware, but a much more legitimate entertainment spectacle. In WrestleMania, like, there's no question about it to say whatever you want. WrestleMania is a gigantic, respected entertainment phenomenon. This football game that they're supposed to do in Saudi, we'll see if anyone even watches it. We don't even know.

Michael (47:44)

What if they made Ocean's 14 and he was a character?

Peter (47:46)

Exactly. You're. You're going to perform as an actor in something, essentially, and that a lot of people are gonna watch also. I found out, if you saw the information, but this year on WrestleMania Saturday, the first hour is on ESPN2, I believe, and WrestleMania Sunday, the first hours on ESPN proper. So not only that, WrestleMania is on ESPN this year, not just on ESPN

Michael (48:07)

Unlimited, on the TV, ESPN is all that. They're all we know this.

Peter (48:11)

Yeah. Well, and also, it's a smart move, right? You're trying to get.

Michael (48:13)

For your.

Peter (48:14)

If you're trying to get people to sign up for the unlimited situation, then what you do is you start WrestleMania Don on free TV.

Don (48:22)

So.

Peter (48:22)

So a Don Legrecka, let's say, is out there, and it wouldn't be you, but another Don Legret is like, I used to watch my brother. Oh, it's on for free tv. I mean, I'm gonna see what it's like. And you actually end up being like, I'm kind of watching this.

Michael (48:32)

Yeah.

Peter (48:32)

How do I switch the market now

Michael (48:34)

to ESPN plus for more? Yeah, I'm hooked now.

Don (48:37)

Well, that's. What the hell.

Peter (48:37)

That's the plant.

Don (48:38)

If you remember when the NHL had the deal, and again, they still do it now with ABC and espn, but when they had NBC and the old Versus, like the Stanley couple, they always made sure game one was on NBC. Get people into it, and then games two and three would be on Versus.

Michael (48:55)

The rest of the go to Versus.

Don (48:57)

That. That's what you do. That's actually pretty smart. Win some people over. But listen, I thought it was a legitimate question. You didn't. I apologize.

Peter (49:04)

No, no. I didn't say it was illegitimate.

Don (49:05)

You call you. You were offended.

Peter (49:06)

Well, that doesn't mean it's illegitimate.

Don (49:08)

Well, if you're offended, then you could

Peter (49:09)

say something legitimately offensive. I was. I just.

Don (49:13)

That would be like saying that that was legitimately a bad question. I thought it was a good one. No, you said you were offended.

Peter (49:19)

Alan, does me being offended by the question mean I'm saying it's a bad question? I'm just saying I was offended by

Michael (49:24)

the question, but I don't understand the

Peter (49:25)

offense, him saying, is it such a.

Michael (49:29)

You're offended as somebody who is in the world of wrestling, as if it's still this. Some sort of a mark on your life if you do something, oh, my

Peter (49:37)

God, he's doing wrestling.

Michael (49:38)

Yeah.

Peter (49:38)

Oh, yeah. That's what I resent.

Michael (49:41)

You resent the fact that it's.

Peter (49:43)

It's.

Michael (49:43)

Yeah, I know there are people who

Peter (49:45)

feel that way

Michael (49:48)

out there.

Don (49:49)

I'm asking the question. And the reason the question is legitimate, because there are people beyond Mushnik that look at wrestling as something that would soil the reputation of Tom Brady. You can't say I'm wrong. There will be a lot of people that would do that.

Michael (50:03)

But.

Don (50:04)

But I think a lot less people than 30 years ago, for sure.

Michael (50:07)

Again, Don, I think you're still grabbing onto an Old way of thinking by old people who aren't really, I'm grasping,

Don (50:15)

to a segment of the population that still exists.

Peter (50:18)

Yeah, they just do.

Don (50:19)

You should see the reaction when we have a wrestler on from people.

Peter (50:22)

I bet even the conversation right now is people getting in their panties in a bunch.

Don (50:25)

There are people mad at you that you said that you were offended by Michael.

Peter (50:28)

Mad that I'm offended? Mad that we've talked about it this long. I mean, that people do go crazy about Tom.

Don (50:32)

I'm not looking at it from a wrestling angle. It's tomorrow, Brady. Yeah, let's talk about Tom Brady.

Peter (50:36)

Paul, in our chat says Neil DeGrasse Tyson wrestled in school. Is that true?

Michael (50:41)

Probably is.

Don (50:42)

Probably old Roman Greco or Greco. I don't know.

Michael (50:46)

You know what, Peter?

Peter (50:47)

Reach out to Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Michael (50:49)

Come on up.

Peter (50:50)

He loves doing media. I'm going to be honest. He's never met a microphone he didn't want to talk about. He'll show up to the opening of a grand union.

Michael (50:57)

Very smart man too, buddy. Yeah. Why not Reach out, you know?

Don (51:01)

Have I.

Peter (51:02)

What? Speaking of wrestling. The Roman Greco, as you just called it, I believe.

Don (51:05)

I'm not interested in either. So I'm wrestling or Rome.

Peter (51:09)

It's. It's. What is one of my favorite things, and I think I've said this in the show before, but I love when I mention that I'm involved in wrestling in some way or. I love wrestling and, And. And people who don't know me just naturally go to. Oh, professional wrestling and. Oh, no, no, no, not that. I like to go around to local gymnasiums and watch the high school kids get into a singlet and battle each other.

Don (51:28)

Right.

Peter (51:28)

What are you talking. Stop asking.

Don (51:31)

You know what?

Peter (51:31)

Yeah. I don't go to states to watch the kids.

Don (51:33)

And you know what?

Peter (51:34)

Do a little table and chair.

Don (51:35)

If you were my assistant coach, that would set up a red flag. I'd investigate, find out what's going on.

Peter (51:40)

What do you mean? If I said that.

Michael (51:41)

Yes.

Peter (51:41)

If I was like, no, I'm just into watching amateur wrestler, I would.

Don (51:44)

I would hire a private investor. People need to stop asking.

Peter (51:47)

When you say you like wrestling professional. No, no, no.

Michael (51:49)

Amateur.

Peter (51:50)

I like the amateur kind. Those are my favorites. It's not just about the Olympics. I have a Dan Gable poster on my wall. All I do is watch the amateur wrestling.

Don (51:59)

But if you had a son that wrestled, sure.

Peter (52:01)

Well, then you go, yeah.

Michael (52:02)

Was it Vision Quest?

Don (52:03)

Yes.

Peter (52:04)

Right.

Michael (52:04)

That was. I'm saying that was. Wasn't that wrestling? Yes, it was right.

Peter (52:08)

Speaking of movies, you hadn't asked me if I started getting into Argo yet.

Producer/Researcher (52:11)

We'll do that next.

Podcast Host (52:13)

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Peter (52:17)

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Michael (52:17)

sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good.

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