Hour 2: NFL Binge

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: NFL Binge (Nov 3, 2025)

Overview

This episode dives deep into the ongoing frustrations of New York Giants fans, coaching futures, quarterback development, and recent thrilling moments from both the NFL and the MLB World Series. Listeners call in with raw emotion about the Giants' state, the hosts dissect game management and coaching decisions, and they celebrate one of the most dramatic baseball Game 7s in years. The latter half delivers rapid-fire NFL reactions and witty banter about their broadcasting setups and careers.

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1. Giants Fans’ Exhaustion and Venting

Timestamps: 00:34–06:09

• Fan caller Tessa expresses deep frustration with the Giants: “I'm tired of being tired and getting a headache…after this week, I think I'm just going to be calling in to talk about the Devils and the Lakers…it's just an embarrassment now, guys.” (01:47)
• She pinpoints issues: unreliable tight end play, concern for rookie QB Jackson Dart’s health, and a defense that seems to have “given up on the DC.”
• Alan Hahn sympathizes with fans making the costly and emotionally draining commitment to attend games:
  “God bless you for going to these games and being there and tailgating...10 years, a long time to be that bad. And yet you just keep coming back…there’s no return on the investment when for 10 years, for eight of those years, you have barely gotten through your Halloween candy and your team is already out of it.” (04:30)

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2. Coaching Overhaul—Should the Giants Clean House?

Timestamps: 06:09–09:28

• Caller Peter urges the Giants to fire their leadership now and target high-profile coaches, suggesting Steve Spagnuolo from the Chiefs and Lane Kiffin as offensive coordinator.
  • Alan analyzes the practicality:
    “Lane Kiffin’s under contract until 2031 at 9 million a year…to go and be an OC in the NFL, you’d have to pay him an exorbitant amount of money.” (08:11)
  • Hosts stress: Any “clean house” move should be proactive—not simply reactive—so you’re not “scrambling for a consultant” post-firing.

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3. Developing Jackson Dart: Protect or Play?

Timestamps: 09:50–16:26

• Caller Dave and Alan/Peter fiercely debate playing rookie QB Jackson Dart with a struggling roster:
  • Dave: “You mean to tell me…on that rotten turf at Giant Stadium, you're going to let this man put Dart in the situation…he's gonna get crushed.” (09:50)
  • Alan: “You've got to play him. You can't now say, well, well, we suck, so we're not going to put him on ice.” (10:56)
  • Rosenberg: “Playing a young quarterback…when you look at the people he's playing with, there's not a ton of talent. It doesn't necessarily develop them the right way.” (12:09)
• They agree: if the offensive line holds up, Dart needs game reps to grow—even amid losing.

Notable Quote

“This line’s been pretty good…Now, listen, if you get to week 16, 17, 18…maybe at the end of the season, I’d say, okay, I’ve seen enough. But not now. You’re not thinking about that now.”
— Alan Hahn (15:54)

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4. Raw Sports Fan Pain & Loyalty

Timestamps: 16:26–17:20

• Rosenberg and Alan reflect on the grind of fandom during down cycles—and the loyalty it takes to keep showing up:
  • “We’ve been talking about horrible things basically non stop since 3:00...” (17:10, Rosenberg)

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5. World Series Game 7: Drama, Moments, and TV Ratings

Timestamps: 17:23–24:09

• Both hosts marvel at Saturday’s “instant classic” baseball Game 7:
  • Alan: “It was one of the most compelling sporting events I’ve ever watched.” (18:10)
  • Rosenberg: “I found myself oddly nervous during game seven with nothing invested in it. I don't even know what I was nervous...” (21:46)
• The guys recount the wild collision play (“Pajes trucks Kike Hernandez” - 17:58) and mammoth drama.
• Ratings discussion:
  • “Averaged 26 million viewers…peaked at 31 million during the late innings...the most watched baseball game since 2017.” (20:41)
• Hot Take:
  • Rosenberg: “The baseball season is entirely filled with too many baseball games. That is part of why these moments feel so rare...”
  • Critical question—does a 162-game season dilute the drama?

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6. NFL Binge Segment: Week’s Wildest Football Action

Timestamps: 27:00–39:46

• Bears vs Bengals: Wild 47-42 finish, last-minute heroics, and limp defense.
  • “It made it interesting, but now you got to do the hard part, which is you got to get the ball back in the onsides kick, which never happens until it does…” (33:11, Alan)
• Bills vs Chiefs: Allen is 5–1 in regular season vs Mahomes, but playoff dragons remain.
  • “They know each other. There was nowhere to go in the second half. Both teams locked it up.” (36:38, Alan)
• Jaden Daniels Injury (Commanders):
  • Coach Dan Quinn takes ownership for risking Daniels late:
    “That is 100%. That’s on me.” (37:34)
  • Good news: Dislocation, no fracture, season may not be lost.
  • “You have to shut him down. I, I don’t...if, God willing, it’s not a catastrophe…you shut him down. No matter what, right?” (38:35, Rosenberg)

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7. Broadcasting Banter: Cameras, Setups & Self-Critique

Timestamps: 27:20–29:45, 41:02–43:28

• The crew rib each other about bad camera angles, iPad fuzziness, and basement drop ceilings.
• Rosenberg reflects on his old interviews with icons like Quincy Jones and why he struggles to revisit early-career work:
  • “If you're somebody that watches anything back you did younger in your career and thinks, ‘Wow, that's awesome. I was great then,’ you're a narcissist.” (41:36, Alan)
  • “We're always trying to evolve, so you can't listen to it (old work) with a discerning ear.” (42:25, Alan)

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8. Listener Calls: Baseball’s Most Painful Collapses

Timestamps: 43:43–48:53

• Caller Flavio asks: “Which was the worst collapse—2025 Blue Jays, 2011 Rangers, or 2001 Yankees?”
  • Alan: “In all of sports, how could this not be the most painful loss?...How many chances did Toronto have to win that game at 4, 2? How could you not feel like this is destiny? It's unreal...” (44:56)
• The hosts dissect the agony and psychological scars (e.g., Isaiah Kiner-Falefa “was a fingertip away from the World Series winning run”).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Giants Loyalty:

  “God bless you for going to these games…there’s no return on the investment…”
  — Alan Hahn (04:30)

• On World Series Game 7:

  “It was one of the most compelling sporting events I’ve ever watched.”
  — Alan Hahn (18:10)

• On Playing Young QBs:

  “You’ve got to play him. You can’t now say, well, well, we suck, so we’re not going to put him on ice.”
  — Alan Hahn (10:56)

• On Historic Sports Pain:

  “This might be worse than Buckner…this was it. That was game six, this is game seven…how does he ever let go of that?”
  — Alan Hahn (47:09)

Memorable Segment Timestamps

• [00:47] Tessa’s Giants Therapy Session
• [04:30] Alan on the cost of fandom
• [09:50–16:26] Quarterback Development Showdown
• [17:56] Most Compelling Game 7 Moment (Pajes collision)
• [20:41] TV Ratings for World Series
• [27:05] NFL Binge Kicks Off
• [33:11] Bears-Bengals Collapse Analysis
• [37:34] Dan Quinn admits blame for Daniels injury
• [41:36] Self-critique on old interviews
• [44:56] Discussing agonizing World Series collapses

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Tone & Style

The conversation is raw, passionate, and unfiltered—mixing sports heartbreak, sharp football insight, and classic New York sports radio banter. Listeners are welcomed, hosts riff off each other and callers, and big moments are relived with vivid detail.

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Conclusion

A rich, cathartic episode for any New York sports fan—balancing hard truths about the Giants, deep dives on team-building strategy, the magic and agony of major sporting moments, and plenty of comedic interludes. Whether you suffered with the Giants, marveled at a legendary Game 7, or just love sharp takes, this hour keeps you locked in and feeling all the emotions of another wild sports weekend.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Alan]

I'm in a. I'm in a. This is basically a sound booth, a sound room at MSG Networks. This is an audio room that is used for basically just recording. Right. If I turn the light on the wall behind me, because I just have the light in front of me, but the wall behind me is. It's like a blank, gray wall. Like, what's the difference, Right? So. But that's where I am. I mean, I'm working tonight, man. So I'm across the street from the Garden.

[Rosenberg]

It's the mix of the all black and your camera quality. It looks like the Blair Witch Project. I'm just gonna be 100% honest.

[Alan]

It's a bad camera.

[Rosenberg]

It's that I'm looking right now. Look next to me, who's in the beautiful studio. And crisp as can be. Like hd for better, for worse. I mean, stretch. Yeah. I'm not saying that people want to.

[Alan]

See this, but you're saying beautiful as if it's believable.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I'm not saying I'm beautiful. The shot is. You can't beat the quality, though. And then you got. Yeah, you have this, like. It looks like someone's filming you on a Nokia 6160. You know what I mean?

[Alan]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

Which I don't think had a video camera. There were just still photos on that.

[Alan]

It's amazing because, like, this is. This is not like a garbage iPad I'm using here.

[Rosenberg]

Really. And, you know, sometimes it's the. It's the level of WI fi affects the thing. It's like a perfect storm.

[Alan]

It could be that, but either way.

[Rosenberg]

You'Re handsome as can be. Should we talk to some of the people?

[Alan]

I think so.

[Rosenberg]

Before we get to World Series talk, there's some people who want to talk. Giants. Tessa, I know is gonna have a lot. Tessa, we can't let. Just be calm. We can't do the whole segment here.

[Tessa]

Listen, I can't. I'm very, very calm. I said that already to the producer. I said that if I'm very calm, I just like. Like Alan said, like, everything is just super numb. Guys, like, after this week, like, I think I'm just going to be calling in to talk about the Devils and the Lakers. You understand what I'm saying? Because I'm tired of being tired and getting a headache. But, you know, I did have a couple of Things to say. Like, honestly, Peter, you already know. I watched the game. I had a lot of family members that are Commander fans. So I really did feel terrible for all y'.

[Alan]

All.

[Tessa]

We don't want anyone to get hurt. And I felt crazy too. Like, why is he still in the game? But then I think about it, I said, oh, that's right. Denver just put up 33 on us. So maybe there's still hope. You know what I'm saying? Maybe I'll give Dan Quinn that. I don't know. Maybe he thought maybe y' all can come back. But I did feel terrible that he was in game. He's a really good guy, excellent talent. But he'll be back. He'll be back next year. He'll be back. Just like Malik will be back and scatter be back. So, you know, I wish my speed could recovery.

[Rosenberg]

Appreciate that.

[Tessa]

But of course. But yeah, like, the only positive thing I could say about yesterday's game, I'm gonna be honest with you. Those uni, those legacy units are just the best. They are sexy, they dope. Everything about them. The Giants, I love the Giants going across the helmet, like when I was small, like, I love all that about it, but, you know, like, it's so many things we could talk about, guys. But I think the thing that I'm just pick on today because it's just so many is I would like to know, can we get a consist, like, where are the Bear Pascals? You know, saying like the Jeremy Shockey of the day. Like, you do one dynamic play, then the next three plays, you're just dropping balls. You have no business dropping. And it's just like, I don't. I don't get it. Why can't we get a consistent tight end? Like, it all started with Evan Ingram. Like, why can't you go other places and you just doing amazing. Is that going to be Theo Johnson? Like, are you going to go somewhere and be amazing? Because I'm sorry, sir. Like, you're just so undependable. And it's just like, like Alan said, I am so afraid for Jackson Dart every time this man take off run, I'm just afraid, like, I don't even understand why they even call him those plays unless he's just doing his own audibles. Like, knock it off. Let's live to next year and all the regime will be gone. It'd be somebody new in there just doing right by us. You know what I mean? I don't know. I feel like the defense is giving up on the DC on Bowen, because I'm telling you right now, Brian Burns, this man is ridiculous. He's out there doing all real things and all for nothing. Like, you get what I'm saying? I just feel like everybody's tired. We banged up Banks should have been gone like 80 years ago. I don't know. It's just an embarrassment now, guys. That's what it is. Yes, we're all depressed before Thanksgiving, as always, but it's just embarrassing now to watch them. That's why all those Niner fans are there, because probably all the season ticket holders sold their tickets to them. Go ahead, you guys, go. Because it's just like, who wants to waste all of that? But I don't know, guys. It's just getting so depressing. And it's debilitating now to watch my team. Like, I'm gonna watch it and suffer, but it's just getting depressing, guys. That's all I'm gonna say. But I just thought we should just put something positive. Thank you, guys.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, I feel you. It is depressing.

[Alan]

Think about it. And test didn't actually spend money and go to the game and invest time and money. That's a real thing that I am. Like, I gotta say, those who went to the game, I can only just. I admire how loyal you are to the franchise. I really do. Because it's. That's a whole day. And what'd you get out of it? Honestly, What'd you get? You got nothing out of it. So I don't know. With all think about. I just told you. Ten years. And only two times have the Giants not been 2 and 7 or 3 and 7 to start the season. Only twice we already know the Jets, 15 years of just misery, right? But I'm talking about also the Giants. And so that's year after year, 10 years, a long time to be that bad. And yet you just keep coming back. And that's an expensive hobby, man. There's no investment that you return that you feel good about. The investment, the return investment on being a fan when you own season tickets is that you're watching. You're watching success, you're watching winning. That's when you're like, this is worth every minute of every Sunday we go. And it's fun, it's a great time. Like, there's no return on the investment when for 10 years, for eight of those years, you have barely gotten through your Halloween candy and your team is already out of it. God bless you for going to these games and being there and tailgating and all that stuff because I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you do it.

[Rosenberg]

Let's go to Peter in Rockville. What's up, Peter?

[Peter]

Hey, listen, we can all agree this season's pretty much done.

[Alan]

Yep.

[Peter]

Right? Dable, Shane, Everybody's got to go. So here's my plan, right? We've got to get Marin Tish three games before the end of the season, clean house. And then the great thing about coaching, it's not part of the salary cap, right? I can offer someone a bunch of money to come in. I need you to go pry Spagnola away from the Chiefs. Because now, yeah, he had a rough run as interim coach, but he's been under Andy Reid for years. He now sees it. And the Giants have pieces. You have good pieces. Spagnolo, if you watch the games, he's putting people everywhere. He's inventive.

[Dave]

Besides Chris Jones, who are you really.

[Peter]

Worried about on Kansas City's defense?

[Dave]

No one.

[Peter]

Karl Austus is okay, but he's not great. Then for the offensive side, bring in Lane Tiffin. He's got unfinished business in the NFL. And that's Jackson Dart's mentor from college. Let them excite the team. You tell Kiffin, listen, three years, the offense has turned around. You know you're going to get another shot as a head coach. You got to do it. You got to make the fans excited. And we always say the NFL is the most. The coach is the most important in this league. You have to change this. I don't think this is totally Dable, but the effort's not there. Whatever number you had at the beginning of the season that this is how many we need to win, we're not getting there. So we got to start looking forward right now. Don't be reactive.

[Dave]

Be proactive.

[Peter]

Find the guys now.

[Alan]

Well, that's Don and I talked about. Remember, Peter? Don and I talked about this Thursday and Friday about how right now, in the middle of the season is when you got to start thinking, if I'm making them, if I'm cleaning house, I better have a plan. Because you can't do what the jets did and clean house and then just. You're going to need a consultant to help you find any. Who's interested in the job. Because we don't know. You've got to know. Now, look, I'll give you spacs, right? He has proven defensively that he's one of the best coaches in the sport. He has been a head coach before, or at least he's had some experience with it didn't go great. Lane Kiffin is one, though. While it does make sense if you connect the dots, obviously the old misconnection. He knows Jackson Dart well, that system and everything else. Lane Kiffin's on the contract until 2031 at 9 million a year. And the buyout if they fire him after this season, which. Why would they. It's like a $36 million buyout. I just don't see him shaking free. And why would he walk away from guaranteed money for five more years for, you know, like, by the way, he's a head coach. He's in charge. He's the CEO there to go and be an OC in the NFL. You'd have to pay him an exorbitant amount of money to be his off. Be the offensive coordinator. I just don't know if. I don't know if the lore is there for him. But you don't know if college football has reached a point with him where he's probably. It's just like NFL anyway. It's free agency. It's the portal. It's all this stuff. Would he just. Is he. You know, would he want to. I think you'd have to write a huge check, though. I mean, he's already shooting down all the rumors with different openings that we already have lsu, Auburn, he's already shooting those down.

[Rosenberg]

I will say it. I like it. I like bringing the big college stud in his coordinator much more than bring in.

[Alan]

Well, Cliff Kingsbury is a great example. Great example.

[Rosenberg]

I do not want Cliff as my.

[Alan]

Head coach, but I love.

[Rosenberg]

He's a very good offensive coordinator.

[Alan]

Brilliant offensive mind.

[Rosenberg]

Not last night, but. But at times. Let's go to. Let's go to Dave in the car. What's up, Dave?

[Dave]

Hey, thanks for having me on, guys. Look, I'm going to say something. I want to get your opinion. I'm looking at the Giants organization right now. I'm looking at Daybo and I see desperation. The desperation showed when he went into the tent. He's probably the only coach in NFL history to break that code. You have a man who's done nothing since they beat the Vikings. His record since then has been utter trash. Now, you mean to tell me on that rotten turf at Giant Stadium, you're going to let this man put dart in the situation and in the rest of the season, as far as I'm concerned, is garbage time. It's like having Derrick Rose out there when he wasn't supposed to be out there and he ripped his knee apart. The question should be, when are you going to sit dart down? He's going to get crushed. He doesn't have it in him to let up. He does not have it in his spirit. You can see he wants contact. And Gable, everyone keeps saying, you can't baby him. It's the NFL. If they wield this kid out on the stretcher, the Giants are going to be in check.

[Alan]

But I understand the concern right now. But there's nine games left in the season. This kid is developing. You've got to play him. You can't now say, well, well, we suck, so we're not going to put him on ice.

[Rosenberg]

But this is. This is. This is my point earlier about why you wish it was a little bit later. He's gonna.

[Alan]

Oh, no.

[Rosenberg]

He's gonna play a long season with.

[Alan]

Not a lot of no, I'm so. I'm gonna push back. Does now. Do you need to keep reminding him, don't put yourself in compromising situations. He's got to learn. But I. He needs reps. He needs reps now so that when next season starts and if it's, you know, if it's Joe Shane or someone else that's putting the roster together, you better get a good number two. That. That's. You got to get a good number two receiver. Like, that's number one, ironically. But like that, your tight ends, you get your running back situation. Hopefully Scatterboo is okay and he looks like a guy that you want to keep going with. The line has been pretty stable this year, but I want to know that I got a quarterback coming in that, you know, he's got 12 games under his belt, 14 games under his belt. He's not like green things. JJ McCarthy.

[Rosenberg]

I agree.

[Alan]

Guy that is in his second year. He's seen it now. He knows he can do it.

[Rosenberg]

I agree with you.

[Alan]

He's got a place, got to get reps.

[Rosenberg]

He's got to play. But playing a young quarterback who. Who. When you look at the people he's playing with, there's not a ton of talent. It doesn't necessarily develop them the right way.

[Alan]

I disagree.

[Rosenberg]

You want to go, we can go chapter and verse. We can look at so many examples of guys who played and they're playing with jabronis, and in the end, their level of development can only be so high.

[Alan]

Is the line good enough to protect him? That's all. That's all I care about. If he's. If there's drops on good throws, he's still Developing because he's seeing guys who are open. He's watching film. He knows it. He's never going to say it publicly, but he knows it. He knows that guy's open. That guy.

[Rosenberg]

But there's more than drops, Alan. There's bad routes. There's so many other things we can't even see when you don't have a super talented.

[Alan]

I know what I'm playing. I'm sorry. There's no way you put him on ice. No, no, you can't.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, Alan, it's too late. I'm, we're not. I totally agree with you. I'm just saying this is why I might have waited a few games. So it wasn't, so it wasn't 14 games. We could have developed them well over the last eight. You know what I mean? Because the longer you trot him out there week after week after week on this terrible turf which George Kittle spoke about yesterday, it's a nightmare. Week after week, you're putting him on this turf. It's a scary thought, man. I literally went through it yesterday. I was thinking how long they're going to play Daniels for.

[Alan]

Yeah, you're, it's, it's too raw for you to talk about because, because of what you saw. But I'm, I, I, I vehemently disagree with the idea that you have to worry about protecting this quarterback because what are we playing for? He has got to play. He's got to get reps. He's got to play NFL speed and keep developing his confidence, his understanding, all those things he got. He's got to get smarter. We know that. And they got to talk to him about it. But no, he's.

[Rosenberg]

Well, hopefully that's one of the main things he can learn while he's playing. Right?

[Alan]

Yeah, well, that's, that's, that's exactly it. But you don't want to turn this into, like, with the NBA mentality where it's like, it's better if he doesn't play. It doesn't make sense. He needs to play. He'll be fine if he's, if he's smart. Now what he was doing yesterday was holding the ball too long. That's not smart.

[Rosenberg]

And initiating contact, the end of play is putting your head down isn't smart either.

[Alan]

I love the fact that he's a gamer, that he's pissed off about losing and he hates it. He hates being in a home stadium, hearing the other team. This is all stuff to me, like if I'm looking at this as an Owner or as a. As a. You know, I'm running the front office. I'm saying, you know what? These are bad times, but we've got something special. And what I love is that deep down, he's going to take. He's going to keep receipts. He's going to remember the Niners came in and took over our building. I hated that. And we didn't have a crowd in here. And the. The other team's players were laughing because we had the ball. And the chant was, defense. When does that ever happen? So this is stuff that he keeps. He seems like the type of guy, very Baker Mayfield type. He'll keep all these receipts and he'll want. It'll bother him enough to where the pain and the anguish and the frustration. This only makes him more motivated to. When it turns around, to make sure everybody knows, like, that there is something about him going through this that could later on in his career with the Giants pay off, because it's that extra motivation, the chip on his shoulder. All the stuff that, you know, when a player has gone through the bad times and is around for when it turns, and especially if he's one of them. And nothing's nothing more special than that, but you got to protect him. And it's not like, like, if this was the line from a couple years, remember Daniel Jones running for his life all the time? Maybe I would give you. I would say to, you know what? I might be a little concerned. I might want to dial it back because this line is a mess, but this line's been pretty good.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

They have protected him.

[Rosenberg]

No, they have. I give the line credit.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You know, listen, he's a kid, so there are plays sometimes where it looks like they may not be doing a great job when really the issues on him.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And at this point. Yes. Also, you're not moving on from him. He's got to play. Now, listen, if you get to week 16, 17, 18, and maybe the line is beat up and it's worse, maybe at the end of the season, I'd say, okay, I've seen enough. This was a great year. He played 12, 13 games. Let's, let's. Let's rest him. But not now. You're not thinking about that now.

[Alan]

No. You're starting him every game, but I'll take that. Late in the season, do you just say, all right, like, week 18, is it like. Nah, no, he's not playing. But do you Also look at third quarter down, 34th quarter, I mean, or whatever it is, like, when the Game's out of reach. Do you just take him out and put Russ in? Because, you know, let's just, let's live to fight another day. Especially if it's a very physical game and you just don't like the direction it's going in. That's again, as a head coach, you just got to make that decision when I'm protecting the future of this franchise. More like, like a coach is about today. The GM is about tomorrow. There does have to come a point this season in certain games, especially late, that you start coaching for tomorrow, even if you're not going to be part of it.

[Rosenberg]

Right. And that's. That's exactly right, Alan. So let's, let's, let's take a moment. We've been talking about horrible things basically non stop since 3:00'.

[Alan]

Clock. Except for Matthew Schaefer.

[Rosenberg]

Except for Matthew Schaefer was fantastic. If you, if you missed it, make sure you go listen on the podcast or watch the YouTube show later. But game seven on Saturday night was about as fun a baseball game that I had nothing invested in that I can recall. It was, it was the definition of an instant classic. In fact, we could play a game right now. Don't name like five. What do you think was the most compelling moment of the game?

[Alan]

When. When Pajes trucked.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan]

Kike Hernandez for that ball.

[Rosenberg]

That's. That. That's mine too.

[Alan]

He falls in the air and Hernandez is. Turns. I said, this game's over.

[Rosenberg]

Me too.

[Alan]

Getting that.

[Rosenberg]

I said the exact same thing.

[Alan]

And then all of a sudden Pajes comes out of nowhere like Bo Jackson and just absolutely trucks him to make the catch. And I'm like, oh my God. That I felt even though there were other plays that like again, they, you know, all of them that we can name the home run, the, the, the, the out the play at the play. But that just because of the physicality of it, the speed of it, how he just took out like Hernandez laden like he was out cold, like it was what a compelling moment that was. And it just kind of typified that game. And I'll take it a step further. You said it was one of the most. What did you say? Like compelling, compelling baseball games you've ever. I think it was one of the most compelling sporting events I've ever watched. And I think the last time now I was invested in 2001 and that game seven with Mo on the mound. And I'm. I like in my. Because I had already been trained. I had the muscle memory of Yankees have the lead. Mo's coming in. Game over. Like, I was like, they're going to win this thing. They're winning again. They're going to win a fifth. And that, you know, that was such a compelling ending and a stunning ending, but I was invested in that. So I couldn't enjoy it for what it was with Randy Johnson and with, you know, just all of the dramatics of that game. This one, because I was watching it with just curiosity.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

It's a different experience.

[Alan]

Think about it, like, think about the Patriots come back against the Falcons in the super bowl and just how you're watching that unfold and you're thinking, my God, this thing's unraveling so quickly, and all the Falcons have to do is kick a field goal and this thing's over. But they just couldn't do it. And the Patriots just kept coming. Like, that was compelling. You know, there's. There's just moments that stand out to you of, like, this has got me drawn in and, you know, it's all or nothing time. Game seven, extra innings. It's all, well, ninth inning. It's all or nothing time. It's very rare we get treated to something like that, and we did on Saturday night. And it's great for. It's absolutely great for baseball that it.

[Rosenberg]

Was such a good weekend for baseball.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

At some point before Enn, Joe or Jacob. Can you guys find me? Do we have the numbers yet for the whole series? I would love to see how it ends up because it felt like. It really did feel like culturally, the games were impactful. Like, as the. As the series went on, there were multiple moments where it really did feel like something like, you know, where people beyond.

[Alan]

All right. It averaged 26 million viewers for Game 7, the most watched baseball game since 2017. It peaked at 31 million during the late innings.

[Rosenberg]

Of course, that's. That's pretty good for a Saturday night.

[Alan]

Now, again, remember, Canadian audience is not included in this. So this is strictly in the US because there's also, obviously, it was shown in Canada on Canadian. Was it. Was it Sportsnet? So, you know, you. You have to add those numbers to the Canadian viewership. But peaking at 31 during the late innings, that's. That's a bit on a Saturday night. And remember, it's Halloween weekend.

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan]

Saturday night. That. That's big party. You know, big party weekend. And 31 million people tuning into this thing. 26, on average. The most watched in almost. In about eight. Eight years. I found myself in 2017 you remember was the Astros.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, I do. I found myself.

[Alan]

That was also a game seven Astros, Dodgers.

[Rosenberg]

They averaged 12 and a half million for the series. I found myself oddly nervous during game seven with nothing invested in it. I don't even know what I was nervous.

[Alan]

Same. Same.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

I like, isn't that weird? Like. Like, you. You don't have a dog in the fight. But there was something. Yeah, I felt it, too. You had that little flutter of like. Like, what's going to happen? And every. Even. Even when Kirk, like, he had the broken bat and they. They turned the double play. And it took me a second to realize that's the game. That's it. Like, because it was.

[Rosenberg]

You're so drawn in, I know you don't want it to end that you're like.

[Alan]

You're like, wait, that's it.

[Rosenberg]

Like, we can't end this now.

[Alan]

Like, wait, no, no. This has to keep going.

[Rosenberg]

And then. And then we went from. We went from. And we got to take a break. We'll talk about it more on the other side. And your calls as well, by the way, if you just want to wax poetic and tell us how much you loved it. What other historic baseball moments popped into your mind, or sports in General? Game sevens 1-800-919-3776. Love to have some. Just, like, positive. God, God bless it. Sports enjoyment talk. It's rare in sports talk radio, but I'm up for it. Like, we were talking about Ohtani's historic play, and then Yamamoto plays on no rest and gets his third win in a series.

[Alan]

Unreal.

[Rosenberg]

That is three out of four wins in the World Series. Allen, that.

[Alan]

That's. That's. I. Randy Johnson.

[Rosenberg]

It's insane how many people are on that list. Is it just Randy Johnson?

[Alan]

Yeah, Randy Johnson did. His numbers were almost identical side by side to what Yamamoto did in the 2001 World Series. Randy Johnson did pretty much the same. Was Yamamoto and Randy Johnson, you guys.

[Rosenberg]

How insane a list that is to get on.

[Alan]

Yeah, but, but. And, And Yamamoto pitched more innings in the second game, you know, the second time around in game seven. I think Randy Johnson, if I'm not mistaken, only pitched like an inning and a third or something like that, which is still, you know, amazing, but it's on. There's just so many. It was such. I hate. You know, everybody says cinema now, but it was such theater.

[Rosenberg]

It really was.

[Alan]

Really was. And like, it just made. It shows you that baseball, in the right context is. It can be that thrilling type of sport because it's the drama and the tension because it's not constant motion.

[Rosenberg]

Can I give you a hot take into the. You know what?

[Alan]

Please do.

[Rosenberg]

And I want to get your thoughts on the other side of this. Yep, hot take. The baseball season is entirely filled with too many baseball games. That is part of why these moments feel so rare. I understand there's a day in, day out quality that people love like it's on every day and it's just nice. But I'm telling you, the fact that there's 162 of them before you get to the playoffs, by its nature hurts the drama of the season. And then you get to the end. And I guess you could argue on the other side, but that's why the final the at the end of the World Series by means so much, but man, it felt special. 1-800-919-3776, all of your thoughts next. So much to do here on a Monday. And hold on, I have to talk to you about something before Alan. I'm getting so ahead of myself. Yeah. And it's important, particularly this week, because as you can tell, I'm very wound up. And so maybe I could use a little betterhelp. And this November, Better Help is encouraging everyone to reach out, check in on friends, reconnect with loved ones, remind the people in your life that you're there for them. Now, personally, for me, I'm always trying to check in with my friends and always appreciate it when my friends check in with me. Matter of fact, I haven't heard from my friend Allison since the game last night. And we're both huge commie fans. We haven't even spoken yet. So I need to make sure I pick up the phone and check in on her. So you head over to BetterHelp, you fill out a short questionnaire, you fill out your needs and preferences, and they do the rest. They have an incredible match fulfillment rate, which means they get it right the first time in terms of finding the right tailored recommendation for a therapist for you. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is one of the world's largest online therapy platforms. They've served 5 million people globally and it works with an average rating of 4.9 out of 5 for a live session based on 1.7 million client reviews. So don't wait to reach out this month. All right, check in on a friend, check in with a therapist. BetterHelp makes it easier than ever to take that first step. Our listeners get 10% off their first month call 250 and say the keyword timeout. That's keyword timeout after calling 250. This message is sponsored by BetterHelp. Shorter days don't have to be so dismal. It's time to reach out and check in with those you care and to remind ourselves that we're not alone this month. Don't wait to reach out. Whether you're checking in on a friend or reaching out to a therapist yourself, BetterHelp makes it easier to take that first step. Our listeners get 10% off their first month. Just call pound250 and say the keyword timeout. That's keyword timeout after calling pound250.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. This is.

[Rosenberg]

We're gonna rub football all over ourselves today.

[Alan]

I did consume a lot of football back in the day.

[Rosenberg]

Pre kids in my underwear.

[Don Hahn]

The NFL binge.

[Alan]

You watch Energab.

[Rosenberg]

Are you watching Alrighty Kids? By hook or by crook, we made it to 4:30 on Monday, which means it's time for the NFL binge.

[Alan]

Before we get to that, go ahead. Can everybody now let me know with the light on? Is this better?

[Rosenberg]

Hold on. I haven't looked at you yet.

[Alan]

Take it. Take a gander.

[Rosenberg]

Hold on, hold on.

[Alan]

Is this. Is this more. More appropriate?

[Rosenberg]

Vast improvement as far as I'm concerned. That you're going fast. Oh, with the light to. No light. Yes. I thought he was Bart Scott before this. So we're in a good spot right now. Okay, so here's the thing. Yes, it looks better. But like, I'm just being honest. The clarity of the actual camera, you would. Guys, it's still blurry. No. Oh, no.

[Alan]

You can't fix. To fix the iPad clarity.

[Rosenberg]

But in terms of seeing Alan. Yes, for sure.

[Alan]

We can actually see Alan. Yeah. How do you fix the clarity?

[Rosenberg]

Honestly, I would give it. I know this is super basic. Do you have like a glasses wipe? Like a little wipe to the actual lens would probably help right now. But you def.

[Alan]

You know, this is here. Should I try this?

[Rosenberg]

There you go. That's it. Even that will help a little bit. No, but did you do anything? Did you wipe it with anything? Like a thing? You used your finger. You can't use your finger, you animal. You can't use your finger. Oh, Natalie be sick. You have to use like cloth.

[Alan]

I did.

[Rosenberg]

It has to be the cloth or like a wet Wipe. And then you just wipe it with the. With the dry cloth right after. I'm having fun watching you do. Okay, stop. Enough. We got it. We got it.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

There's some improvement, you guys. There's some improvement there.

[Alan]

Some improvement.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. You're a little less fuzzy than you are.

[Alan]

It's a high quality iPad. It's just the. Whatever camera setting. You remember this app that we use. Not app, but this link that we use, it wants to do the wide. The wide camera. The. You know, the 0.5. That's. The kids would say.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

So I don't know if the 0.5 takes away some of the res, but if I go to the regular, it's like my face. It's literally like when Don. You know, when Don's in his basement, we can see up his nose. I'd have to be sitting, like, against the wall.

[Rosenberg]

My favorite comment about Don, when he's from home. And I don't want to. I don't want Don to yell at me, so I'm not gonna.

[Alan]

He gets so mad, though.

[Rosenberg]

The shot of his, like, his ceiling. Like someone. Someone last week said, don ceiling gives serial killer vibes. It's like that old school sub.

[Alan]

He's got a. He's got a drop ceiling in his basement. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And the. And the little panels look like. Like you're in a classroom kind of vibe.

[Alan]

Yeah, I definitely feel that. But. All right, guys, let's get to it today. We'll be back in the studio all together tomorrow.

[Rosenberg]

That's right. All right. Binge time, kids. It turns out Jonathan Taylor, Daniel Jones, and the Colts are all human. They lose 27, 20 to the Steelers.

[Alan]

Rogers under center gets a snap, Will pitch to Warren to the left. Warren has some room.

[Announcer]

And Warren races into the end zone for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Touchdown.

[Rosenberg]

That from wdve in Pittsburgh. The Colts turn it over six times, most by a team this season, tied for their most in a game over the last 45 years. And we talked about this, Allen, they're a fun and exciting team, but it was a test to go on the road to Pittsburgh to play against a big boy franchise, and they came up short. But even with those turnovers, they still don't lose by a score.

[Alan]

The defense showed up. It had to. This was, you know, with the Ravens. Everybody's still picking the Ravens. If you're the steal, if you're in that locker room, if you're Mike Tomlin, all you're talking about is, they're writing us off already. And this was a Big boy kind of show up, right? Big boy pants kind of performance. Red hot team coming in, feeling good about themselves. This was a setup. I didn't want to touch this game for that reason. Who played it, you or Don?

[Rosenberg]

Don did.

[Alan]

Yeah, Don did. Don did. There's no way I was touching this game because it had that little bit of X factor about hot team coming in, feeling good, and a team that suddenly that. That's. That was off to a good start that everybody was overlooking. Total setup game. And. And it went accordingly.

[Rosenberg]

All right. The Chicago Bears.

[Alan]

What a game this was, man.

[Rosenberg]

Can you also. You need to have my Mike Dicker drop ready whenever I do. Whenever I do.

[Debo]

A.

[Rosenberg]

A Bears highlight. The Bears beat the Bengoos 4742 in an absolutely insane game that featured three touchdown in the last two lead changes. In the final minute, Joey Flecco put the Bengals ahead 4241 with a 9 yard TD pass. It seemed like it was over at that moment, but then the Bears took over on their 28 with 54 seconds left. And four plays later, safeties are back.

[Announcer]

Deep and unja emotions left.

[Rosenberg]

They're blitzing.

[Announcer]

It's picked up. Caleb throws middle of the field. Lovely catch. Breaks away the 30. Love the 20. Love the 10. Loveland end zone. Touchdown Bear Colston.

[Rosenberg]

Loveland.

[Announcer]

And a throw by Caleb Williams on the blitz with 17 seconds to go and the Bears reclaim the lead 47:42.

[Rosenberg]

When I see the bearded Dicka, all I think is that's not it. Sorry. It's not Ditka drop. It's a Jim McMahon drop moment. The Bears got Jim McMahon. Thank you. What a game. And don't look now. The Bears are still in business.

[Alan]

The game that came was. First of all, was it. It was 41, 27. And I think there was like. Was it under two minutes?

[Rosenberg]

That's what you said earlier. I didn't realize that because I saw the way end. I saw the final two scores.

[Alan]

First of all, this. This again shows you that safe. The safety's back. They're. They're trying to like they didn't take away the sideline on the first drive by. Flacco has got a bad shoulder. He never like I'm going in many different directions because it's all coming back to me watching the end of that game back. But Flacco, to remind everybody had and I had. I took the Bears in this. This was one of my games.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, right. It was.

[Alan]

He. He had the shot in his shoulder. He has an AC sprain in the Shoulder, AC joint. He. He's struggling to throw the football, but for some reason they're giving him the sidelines. He. That is the definition of grizzled vet who is going to take advantage of dumb defense. And he was just throwing darts on target and they went down the field, scored a touchdown. But it's like, alright, it made it interesting, but now you got to do the hard part, which is you got to get the ball back in the onsides kick, which never happens until it does because the Bears special teams were an abomination the whole game. So you hit a guy's leg, you recover the ball, and they're still. Now they're giving you the middle of the field and he's like, okay. The safety's on both sides of the football. Both teams were. It was the. It was low IQ football from their secondaries of both these teams. And it's amazing what Joe Flacco was able to do. And even after they took that brief lead. 42, 41. He's on the sideline and there's not a smirk or smile on his face. He looked like a guy that was in extreme pain and he was just keeping a blank expression, just standing there. And he had done something remarkable.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

And yet you could just see it. But then, of course, the Bengals can't tackle anybody either, and they didn't deserve to win the game. It's unreal, the losses that the Bengals have suffered the last couple of weeks.

[Rosenberg]

This is brutal. Just unreal, the fact that it happened again.

[Alan]

Oh, my God.

[Rosenberg]

Here's Jamar Chase. It's not fun when you lose, huh? At some point, as a leader or any of the leaders on the off.

[Alan]

Good to get on the defense.

[Rosenberg]

You stay in your lane. I'm gonna stay in my lane.

[Alan]

I don't want a defensive player coming.

[Rosenberg]

Chew me out about what I'm doing. By the way. What? That. By the way, to whoever's asking the question. I'm sorry, that's just when reporters are like, being that guy. I love Jamar Chaser. Just being like, what?

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not burying my defense. Hell no. Now, I. I warned. I warned on Friday. Do you really want. I know the Bills obviously want to win every game, but if you're a fan, somewhere in your mind, are you worried about beating them yet again in the regular season? Because going into Yesterday, it was 41 Bills over the Chiefs in this recent series. Of course, 04 in the playoffs. And then this happens.

[Announcer]

There's the handoff. The shove is there. And he is in for a one yard touchdown run. Josh Allen with his second rushing touchdown of the game. And he hands it to Spencer Brown who spiked spikes it with authority.

[Alan]

And then Josh Allen catches the spike and spikes it again.

[Don Hahn]

This Bill's offense is fired up.

[Rosenberg]

Allen now five and one in the regular season against the Chiefs, but still. Oh, and four, will it happen again this postseason?

[Alan]

Now, this game was all first half, right? Second half, there wasn't much scoring being done whatsoever. So you could tell two teams that know each other, two coaching staffs that know each other like this. I think, I think we almost should, hope we should be rooting for these two teams meeting like, you'd love it to be the AFC championship game, but even if it was in the division round, like, you got to take it. You got to take it. This sets up, you need to see if the Bills and Josh Allen can finally slay the dragon when it matters.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, it's going to be.

[Alan]

They know each other. So, like, there was nowhere to go in the second half. Both teams locked it up.

[Rosenberg]

I said last year when, when the playoffs were coming, I went, can you think of a more high pressure situation for a fan than being a Bills fan doing it again? And I guess the answer is, yeah, apparently there is. It will be this year. Now. Yeah, obviously last night was a disaster for my football team and Dan Quinn taking ownership on the Jaden Daniels injury.

[Debo]

I would, you know, I'll fill you in on my thought process. At the start of the fourth quarter, I guess it was probably like 12 and a half minutes left in the game. And that was going to be the last drive for a couple of guys, Jaden and Zach and Debo and lt. And so we're gonna have any read run plays and meaning no carries, you know, for the quarterback on a run. And honestly, man, that's where I missed it. Of course he could scramble. It's Jaden. It's what he's special at. And that is 100%. That's on me.

[Alan]

Listen, like, he's saying all the right things. But didn't I say this earlier to you when you, when you first brought it up? And I said it's still with seven minutes to go. That's probably the last drive.

[Rosenberg]

Yep. And it was.

[Alan]

And it was, it was going to be his last drive. And you just don't like pulling the plug. You know, your quarterback is your leader. He's a competitor. He's the one that wants to be the last one off the field. Right. If I'm out all the starters are out. We're not doing this right. Like, I don't want special treatment. So, you know, he wasn't going to go for it, but it's tough as a coach. You can't predict. You can't see that happen. And you don't know this is happening. It's extremely unfortunate, but at least it's not his throwing arm, you know.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I got more say.

[Alan]

At least it's not his throwing arm.

[Rosenberg]

How about this? It's being said, no fractures for Jaden Daniels.

[Alan]

So it's just a dislocation.

[Rosenberg]

An actual dislocation. Meaning technically, his season might not be over. Which, by the way, guys, if they.

[Alan]

What?

[Rosenberg]

You have to shut him down. I, I don't. Listen, if, if, God, if, God willing, it's not a catastrophe. It's like, oh, it's a four to six week thing, Alan. You shut him down no matter what, right?

[Alan]

I can't even imagine that you're telling me that nothing tore that, that so popped out. It's like a shoulder joint. Because even the shoulder, when you pop a shoulder out, you technically have stretched the ligaments enough that it's dangerous and it has the ability to pop back out again, which is why you, you know, like, it's, you can't just return right away once you pop it back in. But the elbow especially, wow. That, that's. I can't believe that.

[Rosenberg]

As of now, they believe that it. The worst was probably avoided, which is.

[Alan]

Look, now, now can you calm down?

[Rosenberg]

It makes me feel better.

[Alan]

Good.

[Rosenberg]

It does.

[Alan]

His elbow was hanging off like RG3's leg was that time.

[Rosenberg]

Well, that's the way it turned.

[Alan]

Different, different limb, but same feel.

[Rosenberg]

I know. And, and, and, but by the way, it goes from being the worst thing ever to making me think, actually this guy's got an interesting body type. That, that wouldn't be catastrophic because it looked absolutely catastrophic. That'll do it for your NFL binge.

[Alan]

On this Monday evening CJ Stroud injury, though. You didn't want to bring that one up.

[Rosenberg]

Well, we still have enn, don't you worry about it. But yeah, the C thing's another thing to get into. He'll obviously be week to week with a concussion. Now, fight fans, I do want to talk to you guys because Bud Light and ESPN New York are sending you to the UFC at Madison Square Garden. Tap the Bud Light tile on the ESPN New York app and enter for your chance to win a pair of tickets. It'll put you in the ESPN suite catching all the Action alongside me. All right? Which means we'll. We'll. We'll rejoice in a delightful adult beverage together. We'll have a time. So through November 7, listen and enter through the Bud Light tile to score your shot at the Ultimate Fight Night. Bud Light is the official beer of UFC, so make your move now on the ESPN New York app. You got to 21 and over. No purchase, necessary, void, or prohibited rules on the ESPN New York app. Please enjoy Bud Light responsibly.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rosenberg]

Quincy's the man, bro. Can you believe that just from being at Hot 97, I got to interview Quincy Jones because he came in one day to do an interview at. @ Kiss FM.

[Alan]

How much time did you have? Because, I mean, how did you.

[Rosenberg]

Not enough.

[Alan]

Where did you even begin? We had, like.

[Rosenberg]

We had, like, 30 minutes, right?

[Alan]

Like, where did you. Where would you even begin?

[Rosenberg]

I did it. It's out there. To Juan Epps. It's a Juan Epstein episode with Quincy Jones. I don't honestly know. It's hard for me to go back and listen to stuff that I did, like, even 10 years ago, this is probably 15 years ago, 13 years ago. Because I'm worried that I'm gonna hate what I did, and I'm gonna think, like, why did you ask that? You had such limited time, and now he's gone. Don't.

[Alan]

We all. Don't. I mean, I think that's a normal. First of all, if you're somebody that watches anything back, you did younger in your career and thinks, wow, that's awesome. I was great then. You're a narcissist. Because a lot of times we are, like, honestly, like, we are always critical of ourselves. Those of us that are always constantly trying to evolve and get better and be better and achieve and all that stuff. Like, you're never satisfied. I. I can't read stories I wrote in Newsday years ago. Like, I. Sometimes I'll come across something when I'm doing searches, and it's like, oh, I wrote that, and I'll read. God, what the hell? Like, I. You know, we're always trying to evolve, so you can't listen to it. And with a discerning ear, you almost should listen to it for the content.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

See what I mean?

[Rosenberg]

Exactly. Just so.

[Alan]

I know. Just so. Because you do want to listen to. You want to see It. When you're. When you're retired, you'll probably appreciate it more because you'll remember. The memory will matter more than, you know. Was it good or was it bad? But you're in. You're still in your career, so, you know, being good at it still matters.

[Rosenberg]

No, I love. I have a handful of interviews that I love that as big as the podcast world has gotten, where everyone has a podcast. Yeah, I have, like a handful, like 10 or maybe five to 10 interviews that are just like. You're not getting that. Like, Jay Z ain't doing podcasts. Not happening. Eminem went to Detroit. Did Eminem. You're not getting it. It's not happening. Quincy Jones, of course, no longer with us. And MCA from the Beastie Boys. Not an option. You're not getting it. Like, we have our share of stuff that's just like.

[Alan]

Oh, yeah, that was. Yeah, that was quite a few there. Yeah, definitely.

[Rosenberg]

I was sleeping morning, but you know.

[Alan]

That I was waiting for it. But Peter not only took it out, he laid it on the table.

[Rosenberg]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Alan]

I like when he lays it on the table. He just laid it right on the table.

[Rosenberg]

Let's talk to the people. Phone lines are jammed up. Alan, you want to do it?

[Alan]

Yeah, we got a lot. We're all over the place, too, which I like.

[Rosenberg]

Let's go. Yeah, let's go right back to the baseball, man. Let's spend some time. Flavio in Brooklyn wanted to talk World Series. Is it Falvio?

[Alan]

I don't know.

[Flavio]

Hey, what's going on, Alan? What's going on, Peter?

[Alan]

What's up?

[Rosenberg]

Hold on, man.

[Flavio]

So I wanted to ask you guys. So I thought this World Series was very intriguing. I enjoyed it. I had no dog in the fight. But as a. As a baseball fan, you know, this lived up to your expectations. It needed to go to game seven. What I wanted to know, to ask you guys, right, is which one was the worst collapse? And you can rank them in order. Was it the 20, 25 Blue Jays? Was it the. The 2011 Texas Rangers? Or was it the 2001 New York Yankees? I was talking to my buddies about this, and I was like, I felt like these three teams within the last 25 years I had at the Colossus in the World Series. And I just wanted to see, where would you rank them? And do you think base was going to go to a salary cap after next season?

[Alan]

I'll answer that. I do think a cap's coming. Too many teams want it. And one of the powerful Teams, the Yankees are behind it. I think it's a good question, but I got to be honest, I would. In all of sports, how, how could this not be the most painful loss.

[Rosenberg]

Ever?

[Alan]

Like, think about it. Because of how close they were. Even the Falcons, that was happening over like it was a, it was halftime but, but it was happening, you know, like it, it was an excruciating avalanche, right? Like it was the snowball. It was. You saw it coming. You could feel the momentum turning. This was sudden. How many chances did Toronto have to win that game at 4, 2. How could you not feel like this is destiny? It's unreal how like we talked about bases loaded, one out. We talked about the catch in the outfield where Pajes trucks his own outfielder, the left Hernandez, he trucks his own teammates to make a catch, to play at the plate. It's when you're 90ft away like that, I don't know how it's so sudden with chances to win. And you got to understand it's a game seven, it's the ultimate do or die moment. So you can think of other, you know, a buzzer beater miss and stuff like that, that's painful. But this, man, I don't know how you can think of another moment in sports where like it was all on the line and everything was riding on this on one play and you just couldn't make the play. And I mean, Conor Falefa, I don't know how you talk about betterhelp and I'm not joking. Like I hope he's going to get some support. How do you wake up and not just be tortured by that thought? Should I have stood head first? Should I have just run through it? Should I have had a bigger lead? You're going to ask question over and over and over again. Maybe if he doesn't win a chance, if they don't come back and win or he goes somewhere else and wins a World Series, he'll never let this go. This might be worse than Buckner. No, they had another game left, Peter.

[Rosenberg]

I know, but the play wasn't as bad.

[Alan]

No, no, I'm not saying the play, I'm saying the memory of it, the pain. You still had another game. This was it. That was game six, this is game seven. Like, like as a kind of Philippine, like how does he ever let go of that? Should I have had a bigger lead? Like he is going to constantly ask himself what, what more could I have done? You know, Hoffman throws the pitch. That obviously changed everything too. Gave up the Home run, the ninth. I'm sure that's going to weigh on him as well, but man, Conor Falafel was a fingertip away from the World Series winning run.

[Rosenberg]

I just. So do you. Are you of the philosophy that you. Absolutely. Based on where you should be, how long, how big your lead should be? You have to score on that play.

[Alan]

Have to score. The whole idea of you can't get, you can't get thrown out at third, you can't get caught off base and all that stuff. You have to be aggressive in that moment and you've got to be gone on contact. You gotta be gone. And there was, I don't believe he was being held. There was. I don't believe there was anybody sitting on third. I think there was enough distance. What do they say, like the same distance the third baseman is from the bag, that you should take the lead. Correct.

[Rosenberg]

You should take the lead because you.

[Alan]

Just figured you'll beat him back, right?

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan]

Like it's to me like that, like that I'm. And I don't know enough. So I'm not pretending like I'm not going to start saying this is what he should have done. I'm looking at it more from the human side of it and saying how does he not constantly ask himself what could I have done to buy back one second?

[Rosenberg]

And how about we got to. Let's take a break. Let's keep going. Yeah, let's keep going on this conversation. Yeah, let's keep going on this and much more. It's Don Hanna Rosenberg on ESPN New York. Now let me talk to you guys for a moment. If I, if I about FanDuel Sportsbook. All right. Because FanDuel Sportsbook is the app for all your favorite NFL bets from yards to touchdowns to who will win. With FanDuel, any play can be the play of the game. Tonight, FanDuel is giving all customers a 30% profit boost token. That's right. You can get on the action with a 30% profit boost token this Monday night. So make the FanDuel your go to app for any snap. Just visit FanDuel.com Peter to bet on the game and play your game with FanDuel, an official sports betting partner of the NFL 21 and over. Physically present New York Opt and required bonus issues. Non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration and max wager amount. See [e-mail] for help with a gambling problem, call 877-at-Hopeny or text Hopeny at 467369 now. Also, people, before we get into this big 5 o' clock hour, I want to remind YouTube TV customers, get the sports you love on ESPN back, including college football, college game day, Monday night football, the NBA, college basketball. More act now. Go to keepmynetworks.com to get ESPN back.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

[Alan]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good.

[Don Hahn]

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