Hour 2: NFL Binge & Dan Hurley

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: NFL Binge & Dan Hurley (Dec 8, 2025)

Main Theme

This lively episode covers a dramatic NFL weekend through the humorous, passionate analysis of Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, and (eventually) Don La Greca. The hosts break down wild playoff races, officiating controversies, and the uncertain fate of dynasties like the Kansas City Chiefs. The second half features an engaging interview with UConn head coach Dan Hurley ahead of his team’s marquee MSG matchup, with broader discussion about college basketball’s shifting landscape.

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NFL Binge: Wild Finishes, Officiating Controversies, and “Dynasty Deaths”

(00:14–15:26)

Key Discussion Points

• Buffalo Bills’ Comeback Over Bengals
  • Bills rally back with 21 points in the fourth quarter.
  • Josh Allen and supporting cast praised for delivering in crunch time.
  • Debated if Buffalo is a legit or “fugazi” contender.

    “Are they a fugazi contender? ... They started the year out as a legit contender to win it all. ... Not right now.” (01:39–01:51, Alan Hahn)

• Steelers-Ravens: Controversial Overturned TD
  • Pittsburgh beats Baltimore 27–22 after a fourth-quarter Ravens TD is overturned for incomplete catch despite two steps in endzone.
  • Heated discussion on what constitutes a ‘football move’ and the standard for overturning calls.

    “You need to have irrefutable evidence to overturn the call on the field. That’s not irrefutable evidence." (05:09–05:25, Peter Rosenberg)

• Packers Extend Dominance Over Bears
  • Green Bay wins, continues near-perfect record over Chicago under coach Matt LaFleur.
  • LaFleur’s postgame intensity ("Means nothing right now.") becomes a running joke.
  • Discussion: Could the Packers’ tie become decisive for playoff math?
• Chiefs Upset/Loss and Dynastic Doubts
  • Chiefs lose to Texans, drop to 6–7, sparking speculation on the end of their run.
  • Hosts use a horror movie analogy:

    “At the end of any Halloween movie...until I see that dead carcass, I feel there’s a chance...They are Michael Myers.” (11:18–11:44, Peter Rosenberg)

  • Tiebreaker math, schedules, and playoff probabilities are dissected in detail, including ESPN’s FPI metrics.
  • Official “time of death” is declared:

    “It’s 4:15 on December 8, 2025. The current run of the Kansas City Chiefs is dead and over.” (13:33–13:45, Peter Rosenberg)

• NFC South: Saints Derail Bucs
  • New Orleans stuns Tampa.
  • Hosts reference the recurring post-Brady Bucs mediocrity and Baker Mayfield’s up-and-down season.
• Receivers Out of Place
  • Amusing asides about where former NY Giants wideouts have ended up, e.g. Sterling Shepard with the Bucs.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• [03:11] John Harbaugh on the officiating:

  “We don’t make any excuses. We don’t point fingers. That’s not what we do here...We believe we can get it done.”

• [11:41] Peter Rosenberg ("Chiefs = Michael Myers"):

  "At the end of any Halloween movie, even after you see that Michael Myers has been buried in rubble, where's the body?"

• [13:33] Time of death on Chiefs’ dynasty (Peter):

  “It’s 4:15 on December 8, 2025. The current run of the Kansas City Chiefs is dead and over.”

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Listeners’ Calls: Giants’ Future, Draft Debates & Coaching Carousel

(15:27–24:59)

Key Points

• Giants Draft & Coaching Debate
  • Calls about Giants’ improved draft position; wild suggestions to trade a top pick for DK Metcalf and Mike Tomlin.
  • Skepticism about radical trades:

    “So you’re talking about, like, just trading franchises almost?” (16:19, Alan Hahn)

• Quarterback Club: "Who has a Super Bowl runway?"
  • Which QBs remain among the “elites” with open roads to the Super Bowl? Hosts: only Josh Allen is clearly left.
  • Hints at a possible breakout for Jordan Love this postseason.
• Draft QB Arguments:
  • Callers debate Giants’ past/future QB choices, including Jackson Dart vs. Shador Sanders.
  • Criticism of Giants’ coaching and front office, particularly over rookie handling.
  • Speculation on whether the Giants would (or should) trade up for the top draft pick.
• AFC Playoff Math
  • More breakdowns of Chargers/Chiefs schedules and the possibility of late playoff runs.

Notable Quotes

• [18:38]

  “Who else of that group that has kind of dominated...Justin Herbert? He’s hurt.” (Peter Rosenberg)

• [19:07]

  “How the Cowboys lost an unbelievable opportunity to have an amazing story.” (Alan Hahn)

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Coaching Carousel, Draft, & College Basketball Parallels

(24:59–29:25)

• AFC playoff scenarios are compared to college basketball underdogs and the “fairy dust” effect (e.g. Steph at Davidson).
• Hosts reflect on the familiar “damned if you do...” dilemmas for New York football franchises.

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Interview: Dan Hurley, UConn Head Coach – The Evolving Face of College Hoops

(29:25–45:07)

Main Topics

• MSG/Jimmy V Classic Insight
  • Hurley discusses the excitement of facing Florida at MSG – and the unique juice it brings for players, fans, and program.
  • Hurley admits he’s more nervous for lower-conference “buy” games than for high-profile matchups:

    “These are more of the fun games that you get excited about.” (31:10, Dan Hurley)

• What’s Different About UConn This Year
  • Emphasizes defense (from 110th to top-5) and depth as keys to current success.
  • Star center’s status ("game time decision") for the Florida matchup.
• NIL & Transfer Portal: Fundamental Shift in Coaching
  • Hurley on the drastic change in college coaching:

    “The culture, being able to recognize talent and the ability to develop talent...it’s completely been taken out of the equation as a college coach…now you could buy a veteran ready-made team.” (33:35–34:32)

  • UConn’s effort to still build “homegrown” players despite the transfer market.
• Age & Experience in College Basketball
  • John Calipari quote prompts laughter about “bearded old men” playing college ball for NIL and first-wife alimony.
  • Hurley remarks on facing players who transfer three or four times:

    “I’m not sure how helpful those situations are going to be...if you’re just running from school to school in a mercenary way.” (36:48–37:26)

• Longevity & Motivation to Coach
  • Hurley addresses whether he could do 20+ years or walk away if the culture becomes too “load management” oriented:

    “I’ll stop coaching when the players don’t want to be coached anymore the way I coach.” (38:27–39:32)

• NFL Talk: The Joe Burrow Effect
  • Hurley, a Bengals fan, reflects on the transformative power of a great QB.
  • Hosts riff on NY sports fandom, Hurley’s choice to root against the Giants despite growing up in jersey, and making “honorary Jets fan” jokes.
• NBA Nuggets
  • Rapid-fire on the Knicks, Jalen Brunson criticisms, and the refreshing relentlessness of the OKC Thunder.

Notable Quotes

• [33:35] Hurley on NIL/Transfers:

  “The whole art of coaching, especially as a college coach ... culture building ... identification of young talent ... develop it ... all completely taken out ... Now, you could just buy a veteran ready-made team.”

• [38:27] Hurley on coaching longevity:

  “I’ll stop coaching when the players don’t want to be coached anymore the way that I coach … when players in college become as uncoachable as ... because of the money in the NIL ...”

• [41:25] Hurley, Bengals optimism:

  “If we could just get the defense fixed ... I think the Bengals are going to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime.”

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Closing NFL Thoughts & Don Rejoins

(48:16–53:32)

• Don La Greca returns, praises Hurley interview.
• More Chiefs/Chargers/AFC playoff discussion.
• Don tempers Rosenberg’s “death” call, reminding:

  “They’re like zombies…You don’t declare them dead until they’re officially dead. But they’re dead, you know?” (50:09)

• Hosts agree: Chiefs don’t “look right,” but AFC is wide open and flawed.
• Alan contextualizes Chiefs' last “quality win” and the brutal stretch run.

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TIMESTAMPS – Highlighted Segments

• NFL Binge – Quick Hits: 00:14–15:26
  • Bills' comeback: 00:34–01:51
  • Steelers/Ravens Catch Controversy: 02:25–05:57
  • Packers-Bears: 06:00–07:38
  • Chiefs Loss & “Time of Death”: 07:58–13:45
• Listeners’ Calls and QB Club Debate: 15:27–24:59
• Dan Hurley Interview: 29:25–45:07
  • MSG/Florida Preview: 30:13–31:14
  • NIL Changes: 33:35–34:32
  • Coaching Philosophy: 38:13–39:32
• Don Returns, Final AFC Playoff Take: 48:16–53:32

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Tone & Style

• Energetic, irreverent, New York-flavored sports talk.
• Hosts joke, rib each other, but mix sharp analysis with accessible banter.
• Interviews (Hurley) are casual and wide-ranging—sports, culture, life.

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Memorable Moments

• “They are Michael Myers.” — comparing the Chiefs’ resilience to a horror movie villain.
• Alan, on the OkC Thunder:

  "They don’t leave. They don’t owe you anything when the night is over.” (44:53)

• Hurley, on NY sports suffering:

  “Maybe I like to suffer. … Misery loves company.” (42:15–42:17)

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This summary gives non-listeners a thorough account of the episode’s sharpest takes, best laughs, and the unique perspectives of New York sports radio’s favorite trio.

Transcript

[A]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. That sounds like heaven to me. Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[B]

This is.

[C]

We're gonna run football all over ourselves today.

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I did consume a lot of football back in the day. Pre kids in my underwear. The NFL binge.

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You watch Energie gaming, babe.

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Are you watching.

[C]

Football? That's. They're playing football.

Time for the NFL binge. And the football was putrid for jets fans and certainly for Washington fans like myself. But other football was played good football. And there was a comeback in Buffalo. Let's go to the Bills radio network. Here's the snap.

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Back to pass.

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Nobody open. Pumps looking right, fires.

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And wide open in the end zone is Jackson Hawes. And it's snow angel time in the end zone for Buffalo.

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After trailing the Bengoos by 10 with just under nine minutes to play, Josh Allen and the Bills outscored the Bengals 21.6 on the way to a 3934 win. Josh Allen.

[B]

It comes down to guys executing and making plays and sometimes you gotta play.

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Bigger for other people.

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And you saw that tonight on those.

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Back to back plays with Christian Benford and Big Phil tipping one up and again finding ways to get in the end zone.

[A]

Yeah, all we had to do is. Yeah, I'm glad you did that. Thank you.

[C]

But a big win for the Bills nonetheless.

[A]

They scored 21 in the fourth quarter. Cincinnati still scored 13 in the fourth. Like.

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Like Buffalo is there.

[A]

Listen, are they a fugazi contender? Fugazi.

You know what I mean. They started the year out as a legit contender to win it all the more.

[C]

I. They're not that they're not right now. Could they find a way there? Because they find it maybe. Sure. But no, they're not legit in that way. Oh, no. All right, we continue on. We go to Baltimore. Steelers are back on top in the AFC North.

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Warren is to the right of Rogers in the shotgun. Gets a snap back to pass.

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Throws to Warren in the right flat.

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Wide open. Scooting down the right sideline has room.

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There is nobody there. And he's in for the score.

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Jalen Warren, a short pass out to the flat. And he goes 38 yards in for the touchdown.

[C]

That's right. Pittsburgh beats the Ravens 27 22. It's not a game without controversy. Fourth quarter, Lamar Jackson threw a 13 yard touchdown pass to Isaiah likely with under three minutes to play. That would have given Baltimore the lead. Likely caught the ball in the end zone and took two steps before Joey Porter Jr. Knocked the ball out. Ultimately, the refs overturned the touchdown as likely did not make a football move.

Despite having the first two aspects of the catch as defined in Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, making sure move control and two feet in bounds. Three plays. Three plays after that, the Ravens turn it over on downs. Here's Harbaugh.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, the players don't, you know, they know, they've been in the NFL.

[B]

They know how this stuff works.

[A]

I tell them, basically, we don't make any excuses. We don't point fingers. That's not what we do here. We never have. We walk out here with our chest out and our chin up and we look to the next game. We are fighting still for everything that we want to accomplish, you know, so it's been. It's tough. It's been a tough, challenging road for sure, but that's where we're at, you know, and we will keep fighting and. And we believe we can get it done.

[B]

Not a.

[C]

Not an incredible game from Aaron Rodgers, but he gets the job done. 23, 34. 284 to TD.

[A]

Yeah, 284, right. 68% almost completion percentage. This is after he calls everybody out. And by the way, he went at DK and he kept throwing a DK 148 yards for Metcalf. Like he. He was making it clear, I'm going with guys I trust. And that's after, again, all the stuff that was said. That's why you felt going into this. And again, all joking aside, I did make the pick, but because of everything that was said. Fire Tomlin. Stuff going on in Pittsburgh and the fact that the Ravens. Of all the things about the Ravens that are no longer the Ravens, their defense is no longer feared, and they've never. They don't have home field advantage ever again. Like they teams used to go into Baltimore and it was intimidating. Now, teams going to win, I got.

[C]

To tell you, I do not know how they overturned that touchdown. Now if they had not called it a touchdown on the field. Now we're having a conversation, right? But to me, the fact that they called it a touchdown on the field, he clearly. What football move. You're in the end zone. You caught the. Yeah, I watched it 50 times in a row. You want to take a good look at it? Yeah.

[A]

He took two steps before he.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. He takes two steps and then the ball comes out of his hand. Sorry. I want to get a clear.

[A]

Here you go.

[C]

Clear. Shot for you, Alan.

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They say you need a third step now, right? Apparently, yes.

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One, two. He's running with the ball and on the way to a third step. Well, basically had a third step.

[A]

But, like, hey, like, that is surprising.

[C]

Like, again, if on the field they'd said incomplete, I don't have a problem with that. To me, where I get angry at these calls or when they've made a very. They've made a very clear point. You need to have irrefutable evidence to overturn the call on the field. That's not irrefutable evidence.

[A]

I'd have to know what the explanation was. Because the first step is technically a land. It's not a step. He landed. He was in the air when he caught it. So the first step was more him landing, then it's two steps after, but apparently now it's three. I guess. Or you didn't get the second step fully down. There's a reason for it, but it doesn't make sense. It doesn't really make sense, but that's what happened.

[C]

I just think they should be a little bit more comfortable saying, hey, we're not 100% sure, but it was on the field. It was a touchdown, so it's touchdown.

[A]

I agree.

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That's just, to me, not the right way to do things.

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Trying too hard.

[C]

All right. The NFC north lead changed hands once again in Green Bay.

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Fourth and one, Chicago, just inside the 15 of Green Bay. They get motion with the tight end to the right fake to swift bootlegging left.

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Williams looking to float to the end zone.

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It's intercepted. Intercepted.

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Interception.

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A leaping. Intercepted. Was the call. Was it intercepted? And there is your dagger. 95.7 Big FM in Green Bay. And yes, Caleb Williams throws the interception. That ends things for the Bears. Green Bay extends their win streak to four straight games. 28, 21 the win. The packers improve to 12 and 1 against the Bears under Matt LaFleur, tied for the best record by any team against a division opponent since 2019, when the Cowboys were 12 and one against the Giants. Here's Matt LaFleur.

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Means nothing right now.

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We.

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I mean, it means a lot, but there's left. And you got to take it day by day. You got to really embrace that grind, embrace the challenge. It's not going to be easy.

Our guys really got to push and. And try to find.

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You know, he's still going. He talked through the music. Hold on. The beginning of this could be a drop. Is the first two seconds of this.

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A drop means nothing right now.

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We.

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I mean, it means a lot, but there's four weeks left and you got.

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I mean, it means a lot.

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It means a lot.

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We hear you, buddy.

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How big is that tie gonna be? Because they're 93 to 1 and the Bears are not 4. Is that tie gonna work in their favor or is it gonna work against them in the end? Because it's. It's not a win.

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It's been feeling like favor all year. Like when you look at them right now, where they sit. Yeah, to me it feels like favor. But the packers on top yet again. Now, did we witness the end of a dynasty? Let's go to 610 sports radio worthy.

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Wide side on second and 10 from the Chiefs, 8 hunt Mahomes to throw four man rush.

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Mahomes unloads downfield and tipped and intercepted Aziz. Al Shire has it up the deflection. Another pick. Third of the game for Houston.

[C]

Wow. And there it is, Fortune Radio 610. Houston getting the win over the Chiefs. 1710 sends the Chiefs to 6 and 7. They are in serious trouble. Let's hear from Andy Reid.

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Listen, it's never over. They keep battling. Been doing this a long time, seeing some things keep going.

[C]

Now let me ask you a question, because it feels completely over.

[A]

2010 was the final score. You said 1710 was the score and finished 20 play. Right.

[C]

Thank you very much. You're a professional. Well, I just found out now. It's bad. We all agree it looks bad and we could. It's dinged on the witch's dead time. That's how it feels certainly. Now if Kansas City just. Let's just have fun with me for a second.

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Don't do it.

[C]

If they ran the table, all right.

[A]

Who do they got?

[C]

It's. They got two hard ones and two easy ones. Oh, they got the Chargers at home this week. Winnable, but hard. They're at the Titans, obviously very winnable. They're home against the Broncos, who will likely still be playing very hard to beat the Patriots. And then they're at the Raiders to close it out. If the Chiefs were to win all of those games, they would land at 10 and 7. Would that be good enough to get them in the playoffs over Houston, who's at 8 and 5 and clearly has the tie break.

[A]

Now, here's what's in your way. You mentioned the Texans.

And they look like they're heading in the right direction. They were feeling good, they're getting healthy. All those things are good. But anybody else, that's that they're dealing with on the bubble. Of all the bubble teams, you believe in them the most. The Ravens just don't look right.

[C]

No. The Colts just lost Daniel Jones. Right.

[A]

So really all you're looking at is.

[C]

Who among the Dolphins could try to win out.

[A]

Yeah, I guess. I guess Miami still believes they have a chance, although they're the slimmest of margins.

[C]

And by the way, Miami's got problems. Miami's. Miami's at Pittsburgh. Home. Bengals home. Tampa at New England. That's a brutal stretch of football for the Dolphins. They are not winning four out of four.

[A]

Like if the Steelers win the division. Right.

Buffalo's in for sure. Chargers, how we feel like. You feel like.

[C]

Well, tonight. Tonight will be telling.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

When they play Philadelphia.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So let's see what the Chargers feel like after.

[A]

Because if the Chargers lose, it does open the door even more. It's really the Chiefs that head to head with the Texans doesn't look so brutal. That could kill them.

[C]

That is so brutal for, you know, for two reasons. That is just a really, really, really tough loss.

For the Kansas City Chiefs. I know. And I really should enjoy it more.

[A]

But you won't believe it until it's official. That's the thing.

[C]

You can't.

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As long as there's a chance. Even if it's a single digit chance. Now you're not.

[C]

Well, Anthony, you're a horror. You're a horror movie guy like myself.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

At the end of any Halloween movie, even after you see that Michael Myers has been buried in rubble, where's the body? Until I see that dead carcass, I feel there's a chance that they're gonna show a shot where all of a sudden there's no one there. And then the Halloween music kicks in.

[A]

Houses on fire.

[C]

And then. And then the movie starts over again. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I don't disagree with you. I think it's a very good analogy.

[C]

They. They are Michael Myers. I don't know if you have the Halloween music.

[A]

You could. You could play that.

[B]

I saw somebody do it already.

[A]

I think if the Chiefs can get to 10, seven, they have tiebreakers against other teams. That could be 10 and seven and they could get in. So if you use the playoff machine on espn, there's a path for them to make it.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Nicely done.

[C]

Oh, no, I see. I see number 15.

[A]

Ah.

[C]

I see number 87. I see the walrus.

[A]

Cuckoo Cooco Chew. I see number 15's brother.

[C]

Oh, no. I see Brittany Mahomes. I see. I see Taylor Swift. We Thought it was over.

And here they are yet again.

So just, you know, don't get your hopes up.

[A]

What is the FBI now say? Because I can't get to the. Our SIG notes.

[C]

The FBI.

[A]

What's the full blood Italian FPI Football power index.

[C]

Got it.

[A]

Yeah. No, no one. Okay. Oh, yeah. But we need the straw. The straw drop.

[C]

You know what, though? Even. Even with or without the FBI, everything we just said is it. It's essentially what their real battles with Houston and they did themselves a major disservice last night at home.

[A]

You lost too, by the way.

[C]

So now you need Houston to go worse than two and two. You need Houston to go one in three.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because they have the tie break.

[A]

They have to fall on their face.

[C]

So Houston home Cardinals not what you want. If you're Kansas City home Raiders, it's over. Then they're at Chargers and home Colts. So it's. It's not looking good. I mean, listen, you never know with this league. It's a bizarre. Calling it bizarre league.

[A]

Time of death.

[C]

I think I'm ready to call it.

[A]

Call it.

[C]

Yeah. It's to D 415 on December 8, 2025. The current run of the Kansas City Chiefs is dead and over.

[A]

It is official.

[C]

There's no. There's no coming back. So it was. It was a. It was a nasty day of football for some of us out there.

[A]

It was not fun.

[C]

Meanwhile. Meanwhile, New Orleans goes and beats Tampa. Did you see that happening?

[A]

I did not. And that's the thing with Tampa is like, as they're getting healthy, you would think they're gonna start trending in the right direction. That is a major step back for them. Todd Bowles hearing it now in Tampa, by the way, it's. The Wolves are at the door.

[C]

Yeah, they are at the door. They've been beat up, man.

[A]

I know, but it doesn't matter. In ta, they're kind of. Remember we talked about this. They're reaching a point now where they're tired of these records that are like a middling where you're too good to be to get a high draft pick, but not good enough to make any noise in the postseason right post. Brady. They just haven't really been the same. Baker gave him a little something. He gave him a bump, but it's not enough.

[C]

Remember. Remember earlier in the year? MVP.

[A]

Baker thought he was MVP yesterday.

[C]

He was MVP yesterday. Yesterday he was 14 of 30122 yards. Touchdown and a pick. That's not getting it done.

[A]

No. Did did everyone play the. Evans hasn't. Is not back yet. Right?

[C]

No Evans.

[A]

So no Evans. Godwin.

[C]

Godwin played.

[A]

Okay, and then Abuka. What's going on with him?

[C]

Abuka played two catches for 15 yards.

[A]

What?

[C]

Sterling Shepherd.

[A]

It's amazing.

[C]

Shepherd had a catch.

[A]

He was the. Wow. He's still alive.

[C]

Sterling.

Man. He's still in the. I don't like them apples.

[A]

He's still in the league.

[C]

Yeah. You could play a real game called. Where did New York Wide Receivers go?

[A]

Giants we once knew.

[C]

Yeah. Because the receiver position has not been pretty for the football team.

[A]

So is that the bench?

[C]

That's the binge, baby.

[A]

Nicely done. 3, 7, 7, 6. We want to talk some football with us. Let's go next to Drake and Poughkeepsie. Drake.

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, guys. I gotta say, this is a one heck of a guest list y' all are planning for the holiday party. I can't wait till Emineasy pulls up. That's going to be special.

[C]

Oh, this is a morning show. Lister, my guy, Drake. Emanese.

[B]

I wanted to talk about the Giants, given their recent draft position upgraded and revisit their potential trade needs.

[A]

What do you think?

[B]

We talked a little bit about them going for Tomlin as coach. What about trading the pick for DK Metcalf? Mike Tomlin, maybe get a pick or two back even. Maybe even unload some bad contracts if they have one. I don't know, but I'd rather do the trim than take the pick.

[A]

So you're. So you're talking about, like, just trading franchises almost. Is that what you're looking at? Why not?

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Yeah, if only were that easy. And of course, you know, one man's trash, another man's treasure. Right, Drake? I mean, that's the one thing that happens in Pittsburgh, is they're sick and tired of the same old every year. And as we've said before, like Don has said this many times, and he should be joining us shortly, is that he would do anything to be bored of being mediocre enough to make the playoffs every year, but not good enough to. Or being good enough to make the playoffs every year, but mediocre enough to not be able to win in the playoffs. Gill's in the truck. Gil, you're up next.

What's up, Gil?

[C]

What's up, buddy?

[B]

Oh, you killing me with them. I made some money with you. Thank you.

[A]

You're welcome. Happy holiday. I'm not. I was gonna say Merry Christmas, but I'm not allowed. Happy holidays.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you. Three openings. Baltimore, new coach. I mean, Baltimore new coach.

[A]

I don't see it, really.

[B]

The other two teams, Tampa Bay, they get tired of him. And if Pittsburgh don't do nothing, they're gonna want to get rid of my man from Pittsburgh.

[A]

Well, yep. So that's three there that aren't open yet. The Giants and then Tennessee. That gives you five. It's usually. It's. It averages about six a year.

[B]

The three that I'm concentrating on is because of their coaches. Like you said, one man's garbage is another man's gold.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

One thing I wanted to ask you. Han. All right. Who's the quarterback? Petey, I want you on this question, too. Who's the quarterback who has an open slate to the Super Bowl? No excuses.

[A]

Who has to be. You mean you, like, who has to.

[C]

Go to the Super Bowl? I don't. I don't understand the question.

[B]

Who has an open slate? Meaning all the big dominoes have been knocked out. Oh, okay.

[A]

The quarterback club. Who's left?

[C]

You mean Josh?

[B]

Yeah, ask me that question. Gentlemen.

[A]

Who's left in the quarterback club of, you know, mean? We talking about the elites?

[C]

Josh.

[A]

He's the only one left. Burrows out. Mahomes is out. Lamar is almost out.

[C]

Yeah, they're not playing well.

[A]

Right. Like who. Who else of that group that has kind of dominated, you know, Justin Herbert, he's hurt.

[C]

Although I. You know, I will say, who smelled like an opportunity.

For Jordan Love to try to throw himself in the real conversation this postseason? He's got a good. He's got a good opportunity.

[A]

You know what else I was thinking, too, is how the Dallas Cowboys lost an unbelievable opportunity to have an amazing story.

[C]

They did.

[A]

They did. Right? That loss killer will resonate like. It's just. That is a brutal loss for them. Ted's in another truck. Hey, what's up, Ted?

[B]

Hey, guys. How you doing?

[A]

All right.

[B]

You know, you had a caller calling before that said that he'd rather the Giants have taken Shadora three rather than have Jackson dart.

[A]

He was the third. He was three tokes in. You gotta understand, Ted, he was definitely.

[B]

I was just gonna say, I need the number to his connect because I need some of that crack he's smoking. I mean, Jackson dart, first off, he was the better prospect. He played in the SEC for three and was very good. Broke all of Eli's records. He was tremendous. Then he comes to the pros. He absolutely dog walks the Chargers and Eagles. He played great against the Broncos. Shador yesterday, had a decent game. That. He lost that. And they lost.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

But he.

[A]

He had.

[B]

He had a decent game against the worst team in the NFL. The Titans are the worst team in the NFL.

[A]

They didn't play the Jets. The jets are the worst team. Come on.

[B]

Okay. All right. Well, believe it or not, that's like apples and oranges, because the Titans are just as bad. They're just as bad. But, you know, pump the blade function door a little bit. I'm not saying that there's not potential. And he should definitely be starting moving forward. And I. I really think he got a raw deal in the draft. There's no reason why he should have been out of round one, let alone round two.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And, and he went all the way to round five, which was insane. You could say what you want. Stefanski doesn't like him. And. And he made that evident yesterday when he took the ball out of his hands on the most important place.

[A]

That's what I mean. That's why I said. The one thing I'll say is when people like. Because I've. I've gotten this, you know, all day. Well, you know, he lost the game. Well, he didn't get a chance to win it or at least tie it to force overtime. He didn't get that chance.

[B]

Well, listen, I could second that by saying he did. I mean, he threw an insane interception where he threw the ball for grabs when. When the game.

[A]

That was. That was a yolo. Yeah, that was. That was a college throw.

[B]

Y.

[A]

That was one of those college throws that. That he'll learn again. That's a rookie, though. In his set. What? Third game. Like, it happens.

[B]

Yeah. No, no, no, Listen, I'm very impressed with him, and I. And I definitely think that Shador has. Has better days ahead of him. I think they need to bring in a coach that likes him. And I think Stefanski, I think he wants to be freed as well, because I think he knows he'll have a job in no time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think he needs to get out of it. He wants to get out of Cleveland. I mean, yesterday, it's obvious. I mean, the guy hasn't given this kid a chance. He was playing Gabriel over him and Joe Flacco. I mean, like, what are you doing? Yeah, what are you doing?

[A]

It's crazy. Yeah, well, they didn't. They didn't want him. Now again, thanks, Ted.

[C]

And why they take him?

[A]

We didn't agree that when the caller earlier said that. I think it was Moose who was saying, like, he. The Giants should have taken Chador at three. I think we were kind of like appealing to Moose at that moment because I said you can say stuff like that now because, you know, again, the way things have gone for the Giants have not been great. But you're not gonna be able to say that a year from now. So none of us really agree with that. Bobby and Bellmore. What's up, Bobby? Yeah, hi.

[B]

How are you?

[A]

Good.

[B]

How you doing? Guys, you left out a team. Guys, you look at the Charger schedule. I mean if they, if they lose tonight and they beat the illusion of Chiefs next week, it's down one game and their last three are Dallas, Houston and Denver. And Denver might be playing for something the last game of the year. So I mean it's still. I mean, as crazy as it sounds, you know, they're very much still alive.

[A]

Oh yeah. We can't possibly say the Chiefs are dead. Even though Peter just did declare them. He did do a time of death for us. But we can't say it because of what they are and how they have that horseshoe. The horseshoe's been up this franchise's ass ever since they've drafted. Okay. And so you know that there's some luck that always goes their way. And so what happens if the Chargers do like just like you're saying, Bobby, if they just go through it, whatever it is, and they don't finish strong and now the doors open and they of course walk right through because that's what they do. So we'll have to watch it.

[B]

Yeah. The charges were out there. Two top tackles.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And they're not exactly. There's no. There's all for gays and contenders. You talk about Buffalo. There's no shortage.

[A]

I. I completely agree. I don't know who in the AFC you, you have full confidence in. I don't know who.

[B]

I have a question for the chats. Just do something stupid again and win a couple of games in the year like I do every year since like the last six years and fall down the draft. Would you trade up for the number one? Because the only team that doesn't have a young quarterback that's. That's going to be in the lottery. Auto vague are the Vegas Reagan's. All the other teams have young quarterbacks and they're not going to pick a quarterback. Would you trade up to get the number one pick, Mendoza or. You know, I don't know how a fake guy.

[A]

I honestly. Bobby. And thanks for the call. I don't think you trade up for this quarterback.

He's not going to Win the Heisman, he's going to play for a national championship. I don't know.

[C]

I don't know, man.

[A]

Trade up for this guy.

[C]

I don't know. Does it start to get to a point though where there's a special. Well, hold on.

[A]

You know what?

[C]

You know those guys, like we can think of the basketball comp.

Like the guys who pop up on that, like Steph at Davidson, like those players who pop up on a team that had no business ever being like that and they sort of will them to greatness that just turn out to be special. Like could it be that like Indiana is like the best team in the country?

[A]

Oh, they've been good for a couple years now. That coach is, he's, he's something else.

[C]

But still, you know what I mean? Like we're, I get it. 20 years from now, we, we don't know if this is going to last. Indiana might have been. It was a two, three year thing where they were involved in the top and then it's over.

[A]

I get it.

[C]

Like is there just sort of a little fairy dust here?

[A]

This of course typical jets is no different. It's that what do you do? Damned if you do and damned if you don't. So it is definitely something to keep an eye on and of course to continue to discuss.

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It's a really quiet night tonight. No locals in action. Believe it or not, we have a game time here.

We do, don't we?

We do have a game time. Brought to you by telling we're doing Irish whiskey game.

[C]

Time it up.

[A]

Because when it's game time.

[C]

It'S chutney time.

[A]

Yeah. Is that aging well?

[C]

I don't know. I'm still unsure.

[A]

The first time it was like that's pretty cool. The more I hear feels like we could do it in October and then after October, like after Halloween. No more. Would you say that's accurate?

[C]

Yeah, I think that could be Halloween season.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

October, good October reads.

[A]

And then. Yeah, maybe we need them to do like a Santa sounding one.

Oh like it's totally tough. Oh yeah. Maybe he should try that.

[C]

I don't know if it works.

[A]

No locals as I mentioned in action tonight, but we do have Monday Night Football. The Chargers, we did mention them and their tough schedule to finish the season. Face the Eagles on Monday Night Football 8:15 ABC and ESPN. And Peter, get excited for this. A special Monsters Fun Day football telecast featuring Monsters Inc. Characters on ESPN2.

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[C]

I love what you've done.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Just in general.

[A]

Well we have a quiet night tonight. Locally tomorrow busy night. Knicks play in Toronto. Yeah. NBA Cup 8:30 8:30 because it's a NBC vehicle but of course we are also carrying it on MSG networks so there's that. But at. At the Garden, you got some college hoops.

[C]

Damn right there is.

[A]

Yes. We have UConn in Florida and there's a special, like there's a reason why that game has some extra juice to it. If you remember. UConn back to back champs, Austin, second round to Florida, who went on to win the championship. So this is a huge game at the Garden tomorrow night.

[C]

That's right. UConn facing Florida tomorrow in the Jimmy V Classic at MSG, as Alan just said, which can be heard on 10:50am here locally. And with that, we have the head coach of UConn.

Danny Hurley. It's Peter and Alan. How are you, man?

[B]

What's up guys? I wasn't expecting that.

[A]

Are you guys. Are you guys that close where it's Danny, Peter. I didn't know that.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[A]

Yeah. You guys know, you guys go way back.

[C]

I like, we've had him on for years now. No, Dan, Dan, how. How pumped are you? Alan just mentioned this. Leading in. Dan, how extra pumped are you that it is? Not only is it the Jimmy V Classic and we'll get into the meaning of that, but particularly to get Florida at this time of year, given last year. What does it mean?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, the teams are so different.

You know, I just think it's really cool you get a chance. Number one, trust. Anytime UConn plays at MSG, you know, we just got so many fans and so many, so many alumni and so many supporters that show up or play at MSG that the atmosphere is electric. But just to be able to play, you know, the last two national championship teams, you know, playing just like two great brands, a lot of future NBA players, and then, you know, two teams that are, I think both realistically could compete potentially for the championship this year. It's just, you know, I get more knowledge, nervous about some of the by games. Like when we play like low Division 1 teams or mid majors. Those games scare the heck out of me. These are more of the fun games that you get excited about.

The atmosphere, the opponent, the cool names.

[A]

What's different about your team obviously goes back to back championships and last year a step back this year though, ranked fifth now in the country and have a defense that's, that's really good. So what's different about the team this year compared to last year?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, you know, deep defense and depth. Really.

You know, I think our, you know, our defense this time last year was, was, you know, it was like 110th in the country, 120th in the country, you know, out of the 365 teams, which isn't very good. And, and now we're playing defense at a top five level.

So the defense changes everything. Defense sustains you and depth sustains you. It's hard. You're going to have nights where players have off nights. You're going to have nights. That's where your depth kicks in. Just having a multitude of guys that could step up and win a game for you. And your defense sustains you on nights where. Night, you know, when you have a bad shooting night or, or maybe, you know, your stars have a bad night offensively and your defense is dangerous. So you have depth and defense. And I think when we get healthy and we get, you know, our starting center back on the court, I think you'll see our offense is going to move into top five offense in the country, too.

[A]

Yeah, I was going to actually follow up on him, so. So Terrace Reed not available, but tomorrow he's still going to be out.

[B]

Well, he's been, you know, he's been actually back in practice, you know, so he's in a much better position for tomorrow's game than he was, you know, really going into the. Going into the Kansas game. You know, he really. You said game time decision, but it probably wasn't. Whereas, you know, he's been in practice the last two days. So it really just depends on, you know, the big fellas, you know, just a stressful for pain and how he feels tomorrow waking up on game day in New York City.

[C]

Dan, how different does this feel? Like the whole, the whole experience for you, it's obviously been an unbelievable. You've run run you've been on since you took the head coaching job at UConn. How different is it, though? Just with the changes that have happened with Nil and, And the game since you've gotten there, how different from when you started to. Right now.

[B]

I mean, it's night and day. I mean, the whole art of coaching, especially as a college coach, it's like it was so much culture building and it was, you know, identification of young talent. Like, you had to have an eye, you know, for young talent, and then you had to have the ability to develop it and help players is like, reach their potential. And then. And then obviously, you know, those three things, the culture, you know, being able to recognize talent and the ability to develop talent, it's completely been taken out of the equation as a college coach. So now, you know, you don't necessarily have to, you know, be.

A master of any of those things. Now in college basketball, college football, you could just.

You could buy, you could buy a veteran ready made team.

And have a chance to compete for championships.

That's the part of it that's different. And I think you just accept it for what it is. You adapt to the way the game is now and in the direction it's heading in. And I think the thing for us at UConn is, you know, we still try to. We want a majority of our team to be homegrown boys, you know, players we recruit out of high school and develop, you know, so we're still trying to hold on to that aspect of it.

[A]

There was a quote from John Calipera, caught my attention, I don't know if you saw it, where he said there's a lot of older gentlemen with beards playing basketball in college right now, waving to his kids up in the seats. And you see his nil for his first wife's alimony.

Like that's how he's describing it because that's what it feels like. At least you know, you're seeing that what you just described. And yet you have a guy, Braylon Mullins on the. Is he 19?

Yes.

[B]

How do you play?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I mean I, you know, like you.

[A]

Think about it, you have a 19 year old, you're playing against like a 24, 4 year old. That's a huge gap. And how do you handle that when that is such a. I mean, look, we all know 19 to 23, 24 years old. That's a huge difference in just growing up, maturity and all that other stuff. How does that work?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I do. Yeah. I mean, you know, there are, you know, there are less of them. I mean there are less of those 25 year olds. I guess coach caught bad luck that night was he caught up team with some seventh year guys. But you know, I think, you know, just that extra Covid year players being out of the college game, I think, I don't know that the players are quite as old as that. But what is, was a little bit bizarre. It's like, you know, when you, when you, when you start playing against players that you coached against at three different schools. Right. You know, like I've coached against players now that have played at three different places. Or you're coaching against the player, you know, that is at his fourth school in four years.

You know, I'm not sure how.

Helpful those situations are going to be to like the long term human development of young Men that are going to. Most of these players need to get a lot out of sports that are going to help them develop, like, the qualities. Characteristics. They're going to help them be successful men outside of sport. And it's hard to develop those things if you're just running from school to school in a mercenary way, avoiding, you know, dealing with improving things about yourself. You need to get better. So, you know, I try not to look at birth, you know, the birth dates of the people are playing against. It'll make me sad.

[C]

Yeah. No, it's just weird. Totally agree. Talking to Dan Hurley ahead of the WV Classic at MSG tomorrow, UConn, Florida. Dan, you have two championships already. In your still young career at UConn, do you see yourself as the kind of guy who could continue to be, you know, motivated and passionate to do this for 20 years or at some point? We know obviously there was a lot of interest and them trying to get you to LA and that it wasn't something that happened for you at this point. But do you think that you could continue, you could be one of those guys, like a coach k. Who continues to be that motivated for 20, 25 years, or is there going to be a time when you feel like you'll need a different challenge?

[B]

I hope so. I mean, I hope I could. I can't imagine my life, you know, not being a coach and not being. Being a leader, not being a part of a team.

It's.

That feeling of being a part of a group of men that are striving together and pursuing worthy goals and working really hard in that direction. And the relationships that are forged that way are something that I'd imagine when you walk away from, it leads you a pretty big gap and a pretty empty hole in your daily experience as a human. So for me, I think, you know, I'll stop coaching when the players don't want to be coached anymore. The way that I coach, the way that we coach at UConn, you know, the standards, the accountability, you know, how hard we go, how much we care about team. I'd say, like, once it gets to a point where, like the sport where the players in college become as uncoachable as. Or become uncoachable because of the money in the nil, and players are doing load management, things like that, and they don't want to be coached hard, I think, you know, that's when I'm just going to not want to coach anymore.

[A]

God help us if load management creeps into college basketball. That'd be the end for so many of us. Oh, my goodness.

[B]

This is it.

[A]

Oh, my God. Well, I'll tell you what. We let Peter talk about the commanders on this show, even though we're a New York show. I did want to ask you how you feel about the Bengals, considering that I know it's a lost year, but Joe Burrow comes back and, like, I marvel at just the best quarterbacks in the league. And I know you're a huge Bengals fan, which is why I'm asking you if those were wondering, why are you going there? But there's one. It's hard to believe in a sport that's 53 guys right on the roster. In basketball, one guy can make a difference. How can one guy make such a difference in football? Like the way he does when he steps on the field for that team.

[B]

Yeah. I just think, you know, as you guys know, I think, you know, when your best player is on the field or your best player's on the court, it makes things easier for everyone out there. You know, coaches, teammates. Right. All these different positional players. And, Yeah, I mean, you know, Joe. You know, Joe Burrow raises and elevates, you know, what he's done to elevate the organization. I mean, think about where, you know, where that organization was, you know, prior to him getting drafted and, you know, just what he did at LSU and, you know, the swagger and the computer confidence and, you know, the competitiveness, the fact that he wanted to come back and play even though their chances of making the playoffs were slim, slim to none. And now they're probably over. But the guy's a total baller. And, you know, if we could just get the defense fixed. I think they fixed the offensive line. You got, you know, maybe the, you know, the, you know, the best receiving core in the NFL. Chase Brown is a heck of a back. I mean, they got some pretty good tight ends. They just get the defense fixed. I think the Bengals are going to win a Super bowl in my lifetime.

[A]

That sounds like a Bengals fan. If they could just get the defense fixed. If they could just get the up in the line fix. Here's the funny thing, though, Peter, is that dad, as everybody knows, grew up in New Jersey.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. And in the. At a time where the Giants won Super Bowls.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now I understand why you wouldn't be a Jets kid. I am a Jets fan, and this is now 15 straight years without a playoff. So just trust me. We're going through. But how did the Giants not resonate with you at all? Because the Era you grew up in the same as mine. They were the team of the. Of the mid to late 80s.

[B]

Yeah, I always. I've always got against the grain. I mean, I'm a pain in the ass just as a human being. So, you know, if anything, I found myself, you know, if I had to pick between the locals, I would have went with the Jets. Oh, God, they were. I don't know. Maybe I like to suffer. Yeah.

[C]

You like misery. You like misery.

[A]

I get it.

[B]

Sure. Yeah. Weird that you coach.

[C]

Oh, you fit right in.

[A]

You'd fit right in. Misery loves company. Complain about everything.

[C]

Well, no, there's the Hurley.

[A]

The field sucks.

[C]

The Hurley DNA has so much winning in it, in other ways that they. It's fun to see clues, you know what I mean?

[A]

Just so bored of winning.

[B]

Becomes so easy. It's such an easy thing. I would say in the Jets, I would say. And they were fun when I was a kid. I mean, you had the sack exchange, you know, Gastono and Kleko and. Was it Wesley Walker?

[A]

Yeah, Wesley Walker. Altoon, you know, Ken o', Brien, they were light bulbs.

[B]

I mean, they were fun. And again, like the Giants, they were too professional and they were winning too much. And. And it's like my brother and my dad always liked the teams that were like chalk. It was like the Celtics, it was the Cowboys. And I was like, yeah, I'm not with you guys.

[A]

That's too easy. What fun is that, right? Because when they do win, oh, my God, is it special? Take it from me, I also.

[B]

Knicks fan.

[A]

Yeah. They see I've been covering the Knicks for 25 years, and we're still wondering when that parade's coming, but maybe soon. Maybe soon. You know something about Parade. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I like this team. I think this team is. Got as good a chance as anyone in the Eastern Conference, it looks like. So, you know, maybe this is the year, but OKC is a monster.

[A]

Oh, my God. Right? Yeah, they just.

[B]

They're so much fun to watch.

[A]

You know, I'm wondering how you feel about those who say Jalen Brunson, at his size, is too small of a player to be your best player to win a championship. What do you say to that? That's the knock, that's the criticism.

[B]

Yeah. I don't buy into that. You know, as long as he's got, you know, you know, some wingmen, you know, that are going to be able to, you know, step up and take some of that pressure off of him. As long as he's got, you know, guys like Cat or, you know, you know, or bridges or different guys that step up and, you know, in these playoff series, you can go get, you know, high teams or 20 plus, you know, because, you know, he's obviously one of the elite, elite players in the league, but I'd love to see them at okc. But OKC is unique, man. It makes you good, makes you feel good watching them play as a basketball guy. How relentless they are, you know, on a nightly, on a nightly basis for that organization. They don't give a game away. You know, in a league where, you know, there's probably some teams that, that, you know, probably give some games away on a nightly basis, OKC does not.

[A]

Yeah. You know, they don't leave. They don't owe you anything when the night is over, that's for sure. Hey, Dan, good to talk to you as always. Good luck. Good luck. Tomorrow, a revenge game at the Garden. I know it'll be packed and rocking for you guys. So thanks so much for the time. We'll talk to you soon.

[C]

Thanks, coach.

[B]

All right, boys, take care.

[C]

There he is. Dan Hurley, UConn in Florida tomorrow, Jimmy V Classic at MSG, which can be heard on 10:50am we thank Dan Hurley for joining us. Let's see, we have a lot more to get to, including your phone calls. 1-800-919-3776, a big enn at 6 o' clock like you dream about. It's Don Hanna Rosenberg on ESPN New York. And I guarantee you one thing, everyone, if I was to bet, let's say I'm interested in playing around with the NFL tonight.

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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

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I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

I think Don knows this one too.

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I. He doesn't.

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You don't think he knows this?

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No, we asked him last week.

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I don't know. I don't know what this is. Does that make me a bad person?

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No.

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We know it's Don though.

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It's Don.

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That's Donny Fox is with us. Welcome Don.

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It's Don. It's Don on Don Hanna.

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Rosenberg.

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Hey Don.

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How was the travels to Ottawa? No, it's fine. Just a little traffic because we, you know, we landed a little. Was it. By the time we got onto the road it was like 3:30. So a little bit of traffic but.

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No, no, no problem.

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It's freezing. Yeah. Damn. It's. It does that in Canada. Yeah. Yeah, it's very cold, but it's nice. It's good to be with you. Yes. I didn't want to go the whole show without a chance to speak. I got to catch the tail end Danny Hurley sounded really good. He's great. He was having a. People having fun with him. We went around the world. We were talking little, little football with him at the end. He's.

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He's a great phoner. He has always been a great phoner. Like, he just. He's not someone who gets like, awkward. He plays along. Like, even on the phone, it can get confusing. If you're a guest, like following a show on the phone. He's frigging good.

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He's a New York guy. Like, he, you know, he. He likes the back and forth. So I think he. I think. And he doesn't mind talking about other things. Like, you don't have to bore him the tears. Just talking about his team.

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No, exactly.

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The other stuff. Right. And that's what he was really into. So it was cool.

We have had like one of these shows, Don, where Peter's already declared the Chiefs now officially dead. He did a time of death, 415 chiefs dead.

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Calling it.

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And we had a caller remind us that the Chargers who do play tonight against the Eagles, they don't have a very easy schedule to finish the season. They are missing both their starting tackles and their quarterback is a little bit injury compromised. Do you think the door is still a jar and should we be careful? Because the Chiefs just seem to be that team that just figures out, finds a way to just sneak in the door and prove us wrong.

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I'm starting to believe Peter.

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I know I'm not a big fan and you know, you got.

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They're like zombies.

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You don't declare them dead until they're officially dead. But they're dead, you know? I know. Listen, the Texans have a tremendous defense, so only scoring 10 points. There's no shame in that. And they did come back from 10, nothing down to tie the game. But. But at no point, really over this stretch of time if they look like a team that's going to be able.

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To make the playoffs.

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I know all these teams are flawed, but you figure it's going to take 10, right?

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You know, they going to.

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Are they going to get off the.

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Mat and run the table?

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It doesn't feel like that's going to happen. Yeah, they're not going to win the division. So now, you know, Pittsburgh gets off the mat.

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Right.

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They're winning the division.

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Listen, you're right.

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Baltimore, where are they right now?

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I'm almost willing to call it for Baltimore, too. They're close.

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They don't win, which is painful. And Indianapolis could lose out right now. They don't Have a quarterback. Yes. So I guess you look at the landscape. Buffalo's, you know, Buffalo's going to get.

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One of those wild cards, right?

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So if you give, if you.

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And which I'm not 100% ready to.

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Do, but if you're going to give.

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Pittsburgh the division, New England the division, Denver the division, and I guess Houston the division, where do you. Where are the other two playoff teams going to be? Here's the reason. Lose tonight, right now, here's. Why do they lose tonight, Don? This is why I'm not ready. Because if the Chargers lose tonight, which they could, guess who plays them next week?

The Chiefs at home. That's right. Then the Chiefs have the Titans.

Then there's the big one, the one that'll matter, the one that'll basically decide the fate of the Chiefs. They play the Broncos at home on a Thursday night. So after playing the Titans on a Sunday, short week, that's the best team to play in a short week. The Titans, they stay. Right. So you host the Broncos division rival massive game Christmas Day.

And that to me will decide because the last game of the season is the Raiders, who also are garbage. Right. So that, like the Chargers lose tonight, the doors open and the first of two critical games would be next week hosting the Chargers. And then you can stay in it. I don't know if I'm ready to go. Time of death. I still think there's a heartbeat. It's faint, but it's there. It's faint, but what do your eyes tell you? My eyes tell me that they definitely are no longer the team they used to be. But my eyes tell me the AFC is not really good.

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Agree.

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Are they? They're not really good. I know they're not. I mean, honestly. Well, I'm just taking a look at their games. What was their last real quality win? All right. They hang with teams, right?

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They hung with Dallas, but, you know, how good is Dallas now?

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They have, they beat Indianapolis, but again, that was, you know, that was in overtime. They've lost four of the last five games. Right. With the only one being against Indianapolis in overtime. They've got wins against the Commanders, wins against the Raiders. So you got to go Back to Week 6 win against the Lions. The last time you could say that.

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They beat a really, really good football team.

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And since then they've been, you know, very average. They got to run the table.

I understand the history and I understand the weaknesses around the afc, but they just, they don't look like a really good football team right now. They are. They are.

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They are a 6 and 7 football team.

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Well, the jets are worse than that. The jets don't look like a football team at all. And what did you go through? Well, I mean, I know you had the game, but let's talk about that as the 5 o' clock hour begins momentarily. Thanks for listening to Madonna and Roast Rosenberg podcast.

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I don't want to know how the.

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Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.