Hour 2: Nimmo Traded & The NFL Binge

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast — “Hour 2: Nimmo Traded & The NFL Binge”
Episode Date: November 24, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Producer/Contributors: Additional voices marked as D, E as guests or producers

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging hour, Don, Hahn & Rosenberg blend their signature blend of New York sports talk, pop culture, and sharp wit. The central topics are:

• The major Mets news: trading longtime outfielder Brandon Nimmo and the broader implications for team strategy and culture.
• A critical look at the current and future states of the Mets and Yankees, focusing on lineup decisions and free agency.
• Deep-dive into recent NFL action: Giants frustrations, Shador Sanders’ NFL debut, the ever-chaotic NFC playoff picture, and unforgettable individual plays from the week.
• Lively asides on Eddie Murphy’s legacy after a new documentary, and musings on analytics and AI in sports strategy.

The trio’s authentic camaraderie and offbeat humor fuel a fun yet informed episode that swings from passionate debate to outright laughter.

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1. The Eddie Murphy Doc & Legacy

[00:23-05:56]

Key Points & Insights

• Alan Hahn and the crew discuss the new Eddie Murphy documentary, finding it compelling—especially its portrayal of Murphy as a barrier-breaker in film.
• They reminisce about Murphy’s early films and reflect on his major impact on comedy and Hollywood for Black performers.
• The infamous SNL/David Spade incident is highlighted as a pivotal—almost tragic—moment in Murphy’s public perception and his relationship with the show.

Notable Quotes

• Alan Hahn [01:51]:
  "I had never thought of Eddie Murphy being such… a barrier breaker for being sort of the first brash, loud, outspoken Black lead character, like, ever in movies."
• Don La Greca [04:29]:
  "Eddie never had a problem with David [Spade]. He's like, 'But I know how it works. That joke had to go through several layers of people… You would think somebody would’ve said, ‘No, no man. He’s an alum. We love Eddie. Let’s not go there.’’"

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2. Giants/Giants Pain and Dysfunction

[05:56-09:05]

Key Points & Insights

• The hosts express exasperation over the Giants' repeated late-game failures, particularly referencing a highlight-reel play in yet another loss.
• Fans are conflicted: heartbreak persists despite many having “checked out.”
• Producer Anthony advocates for a total organizational overhaul, citing persistent dysfunction across multiple seasons.

Notable Quotes

• Don La Greca [06:19]:
  "But it's funny… all these Giants fans who check out, it still hurts, it still bothers them when it happens… if you're that checked out and you don't care, then why would it bother you?"
• Anthony (guest/producer) [07:10]:
  "I don't like anything that's come out of this organization over the last seven years. So forgive me if I just would be happy if they said we're firing everybody, we're starting anew."

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3. The Mets’ Franchise-Altering Nimmo Trade

[09:17–16:38]

Key Points & Insights

• The trade of Brandon Nimmo signals a shift away from sentiment and towards defensive improvement and culture change.
• Don details how adding second baseman Simeon changes the team: freeing up spending, possibly opening the door for additional moves including Pete Alonso’s future.
• Talk centers on the need to build for wins, not fan-favorite lineups.
• GM David Stearns joins in clips to explain the rationale: "what we did last year wasn’t good enough and running back the exact same group… wasn’t the right thing to do."

Notable Quotes

• Don La Greca [09:26]:
  "Because when we're talking about changing culture, that's a big move. You freed up money. You went out and got an A+ defender at second base in Simeon that now locks down that position..."
• David Stearns [12:59]:
  "I don't know if it's necessarily wanting to change the clubhouse dynamics. I think it's a recognition that what we did last year wasn't good enough and running back the exact same group… wasn't the right thing to do."
• Don La Greca [14:52]:
  "You can't worry about what fans think… do you want a popularity contest with a bunch of players that you love and not win? Or make some hard decisions and win?"

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4. Yankees, Mets & the Free Agent Dominoes

[16:04–22:11]

Key Points & Insights

• Speculation on pursuits of free agents like Bellinger, the implications if the Mets or Yankees miss out, and just how poorly the Yankees have managed their budget under Brian Cashman.
• Discussion veers into possible blockbuster moves: Bellinger, Tatis Jr., and the Yankees’ inability to supplement their roster from within.

Notable Quotes

• Alan Hahn [18:31]:
  "It's not what [Hal Steinbrenner] is spending. It's how it's being spent."
• Don La Greca [18:50]:
  "So how is that gonna look optically if back to back years you lose Soto and Bellinger because you didn't want to go there financially?"

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5. NFL Binge: The Week in Review

[24:19–35:48]

Key Points & Insights

• Shador Sanders’ Debut: Browns rookie earns his first start and win, with a feisty postgame interview. The trio debates his need for humility, noting he was buoyed by a dominant defense.
• Chiefs, Cowboys, Rams, Eagles: Conversation hits on epic comebacks, letdowns, and injuries, especially in the NFC. The NFC is wild, with the Rams considered the new favorite.
• Giants/Playoffs: A lament—again—about the importance of those squeaked-out wins (or losses) and how much better the Giants' spot could be with one or two more victories.

Notable Quotes

• Shador Sanders (clip) [26:43]:
  "A lot of people want to see me fail, and it ain’t gonna happen."
• Peter Rosenberg [27:15]:
  "The one thing I would like him to do is just a little touch of humility. A little bit."
• Don La Greca [34:56]:
  "Must be nice to have your football team still playing at this time of year, don't you think?"

Timestamped Highlights

• [28:19] – Chiefs walk-off win and Mahomes’ “Kermit” voice gets ribbed
• [30:18] – Cowboys’ comeback over the Eagles: “24 unanswered for the Cowboys… Who cares about that stat?”
• [31:45] – Rams as NFC favorite: “How are the Rams not the favorite in this conference?”

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6. AI & Analytics in Sports

[37:34–39:32]

Key Points & Insights

• The conversation shifts to how analytics—and soon, AI—will continue revolutionizing game strategy.
• Alan playfully runs a scenario in ChatGPT for Fourth Down decision-making, using real game context to get AI advice.

Notable Quotes

• Alan Hahn [38:00]:
  "You guys tell me a scenario and I put it here in ChatGPT, it will 100% tell us what to do."
• Peter Rosenberg [39:05]:
  "Kick the field goal. Go up six… I feel like anybody would have agreed with this."

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7. Football Grit: Notable Plays & Player Effort

[41:44–45:16]

Key Points & Insights

• The crew marvels at the difficulty of holding onto the football under duress, giving props to Breece Hall despite his costly fumble.
• Discussion of an extraordinary special teams play in Cowboys-Eagles, holding up as the ultimate “never quit” example for young athletes.

Memorable Exchange

• Don La Greca [43:05]:
  "They're not mortal."
• Alan Hahn [45:23]:
  "If you were to show this to kids and go, this is what playing this game is all about. This is how hard you have to play."

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8. Closing Thoughts: Thanksgiving, Champions & Week 12

[46:05–46:16]

Highlights

• Positive anticipation for a great Thanksgiving football lineup.
• Shoutout to Gotham FC for their latest championship, a bright spot in New York’s overall sports drought.
• Closing affirmation that Week 12 finally delivered some great, entertaining NFL games.

Notable Quote

• Alan Hahn [46:05]:
  "Fantastic. Relative to a lot of years, it's a fantastic lineup."
• Don La Greca [40:07] (on Gotham FC):
  "So we complain about no championships in New York. Well, we have another championship, guys."

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Summary Table: Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | Notable Quote/Speaker | |------------|----------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:23-05:56| Eddie Murphy & Documentary | “I had never thought of Eddie Murphy... a barrier breaker.” — Alan Hahn | | 05:56–09:05| Giants Pain & Dysfunction | “If I just would be happy if they said we're firing everybody, we're starting anew.” — Anthony | | 09:17–16:38| Mets Trade Nimmo | “Freed up money… sent a message to Alonso.” — Don La Greca | | 16:04–22:11| Mets, Yankees, Free Agency | “It's not what [Hal] is spending. It's how it's being spent.” — Alan Hahn | | 24:19–35:48| NFL Binge of the Week | “The one thing I would like him to do is just a little touch of humility.” — Peter Rosenberg (on Shador Sanders)| | 37:34–39:32| AI in Sports Analytics | “It will 100% tell us what to do.” — Alan Hahn | | 41:44–45:16| Football Grit & Player Effort | “They're not mortal.” — Don La Greca | | 46:05–46:16| Week 12 Wrap, Thanksgiving | “Fantastic. Relative to a lot of years, it's a fantastic lineup.” — Alan Hahn |

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Conclusion

This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg balances hard-nosed sports analysis with a unique personality-driven warmth. Whether breaking down the wisdom behind a controversial trade, reliving Eddie Murphy’s Hollywood impact, or poking fun at Patrick Mahomes’ “Muppet” voice, the trio keep sports talk passionate, unfiltered, and rich with insight for New York fans and beyond.

Perfect for listeners seeking sharp perspective mixed with humor—you’ll come away with a fresh take on the week in sports and a chuckle or two.

Transcript

[A]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[B]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[A]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. Oh, yeah, baby. Don Hahn at Rosenberg on an NFL binge that I'm excited to get into. And we can get a little more time for Allen to wax poetic about his quarterback.

[C]

His guy, the Golden Child.

[A]

The Golden Child, as he's nicknamed him. Vine film from 1986 that he's brought back today to describe Shador Sanders.

[B]

I don't like when the Golden Child gets lumped into Eddie Murphy. Flops.

[A]

No, it's not a flop.

[B]

It might have been financially, I don't know. But I enjoyed that movie.

[A]

I thought. I remember the time most people enjoyed the Golden Child.

[C]

It was just like the first time. It. Like you were waiting for all the jokes, Right. Like you were waiting for him to be Eddie.

[A]

And I guess it was. Was that the first movie of his that was not Trading Places, a Beverly Hills Cop or 48 hours?

[C]

I think so. Right?

[A]

Does that sound right?

[C]

Wasn't where. It wasn't that. Because he plays the same guy in all those movies that you just mentioned?

[A]

Well, not Trading Places, but the first two. And then Trading Places, just its own thing.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Of greatness.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I guess he was Eddie Murphy, the guy we all know from Saturday Night Live in the first. In the beginning of that movie. And then. Then he wasn't.

[B]

It wasn't his first, I guess, blockbuster.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

48 hours was huge. And then Beverly Hills Cop was a gargantuan.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Trading Places, certainly. Then you get. Now the Golden Job was okay, but it was just, you know, it was. It was a movie. Yeah, it was a nice movie. It wasn't anything.

[A]

Did you finish the. The doc, Don? I did. So I hear. Do you want my take? Yes, I really, really enjoyed it. I thought the first half was better than the second half.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I thought the second half, it was a doc that could have been a series, like three or four episodes where they could have, like, really spent time in, like, each segment of his career. And instead, as it went on, they just kind of like, all right. And then the rest of his life. And they kind of threw, like, a lot in there. But I thought the beginning was so fascinating. And I really had. I don't know about you if this part affected you. I had never thought of Eddie Murphy being such sort of a barrier breaker for being sort of the first brash, loud, outspoken, black lead character, like, ever in movies.

[B]

Yeah. I never thought of it either. And then you think about, like. Because Richard never had that kind of success with movies. He actually.

[C]

Yeah. Richard Pryor was the first thing that came to mind. That he had some movies. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But.

[B]

But not at that level at, like, 20. Well, how old was he in trading places?

[A]

Like 20.

[B]

Oh, no, I'm. Excuse me, 48 hours.

[A]

48 hours. 20 years old.

[B]

That was 1982. So to be. To have three successive smashes like that and then Beverly Hills Cop turning into, you know, Beverly Hills.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But, you know, they show that scene, Alan. They show the part. He kind of breaks down that part in the bar when. When he, like, he's in sort of the redneck bar, the cowboy bar.

[C]

Yeah. And he takes the guy's hat and.

[A]

He does the whole thing, and he's like, I'm an N word with a badge on your worst nightmare. He's like, no one had ever seen a black character say anything like that ever. Like, that had not been done on camera where you could see a brash black kid like that take over a room filled with white people. And I just. I never. And then he. And then he gets into, like. You know how before him. Before him, like, he idolized Ali. Ali was sort of the only character anyone had seen. It was fascinating. And then it really stays good until, like, when you get to the 90s. I think, like, coming to America is where it starts to falter a bit. And I feel like there could have been more, but it's certainly. If you're interested in Eddie Murphy at all.

[B]

Yeah, it was good. The one revealing thing to me, and maybe other people knew it and I didn't, was, like, the real reason he fell out of favor with Saturday Night Live was.

[A]

Was that David Spade joke.

[B]

The David Spade joke?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

You ever hear it, Alan? They show a picture of him. It was. It was right when what movie came out? The follows up, Vampire in Brooklyn. Yeah. Came in. So it's 1995. They show a picture of him. It's. The movie flopped. And they show him. Hey, look, kids, a falling star. Make a wish.

[C]

Wow. And okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Eddie never had a problem with David. He's like. But I know how it works. That joke had to get vet. Had to go through several layers of people. Okay. That he said. You would think somebody would have said, no, no, man. He's an alum. We love Eddie. Let's not go there.

[A]

And it made the air and, like, broke his heart.

[B]

That's when he was done. And like, 35 years later, he didn't you know, he came back for that little cameo on the 40th anniversary and then hosted in 2019. That's when he kind of came full circle with it. But I thought that was interesting and it's. Right. Like, would they have done that to anybody else?

[A]

It's. By the way, how about that house? They keep showing his house throughout it. It's. I mean, it's not a house.

[B]

As a relationship he is on. The thing that I took from it is that I. He's as humble a megastar as I've ever seen. Like, there's a humbleness and listen, I'm sure he's got an ego, but clearly.

[A]

Recognizes on the level of Richard Pryor.

[B]

Even at the level of a Michael Jackson. Like, he, he makes fun of himself. He, he was open about himself. He didn't, he didn't feel pretentious at all. He seemed like a guy that you could get. Get to know and be cool, as big a star as he is.

[A]

Although, although he's very self aware that he's a huge deal. Like, he understands that he's not the average, you know, actor. Um, but it's, it was, it was a fun trip down memory lane on Netflix this weekend. A fun trip down memory lane for the Giants this weekend. If you like fourth quarter losses, you know it is.

[B]

But it's funny, Peter, how. And I don't want to pick on Anthony, but all these Giant fans who check out, but it still hurts, it still bothers them when it happens. Because if you're that checked out and you don't care, then why would it bother you? You almost want to root for it to happen. I guess if you, if you're enjoying the pain that you're in but you're still a fan and it still affects you to see you put that kind.

[A]

Of an effort forward.

[B]

Yeah. What would it have meant? Probably nothing but to win that game. The plays, the plays that we. I never see plays like that with the Giants. Even when the Giants were good, they'd have the occasional fake punt, flea flicker. But that Winston touchdown, that was beautiful. And for it to happen in a loss.

[D]

So fitting that it's so fitting. It happens on the day of the OBJ catch on Sunday Night Football that I was also in attendance for because it's another highlight that's going to come.

[A]

Up in a loss and also a loss.

[D]

But at least we have them.

[C]

You know, I love.

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

I love this.

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

I love. This is great. Pusick he's giving great music today.

[D]

Want them to lose. It's just gonna happen. That's what this team is. So this is why I don't want this regime, whatever version of this regime you want to call it. If you think that Dava was all had his fingerprints all over this and Kafka is gonna change it, then fine, you can keep my Kafka. I don't like anything that's come out of this organization over the last seven years. So forgive me if I just would be happy if they said we're firing everybody, we're starting a new. And I say that sounds good to me.

[B]

I'm also created a monster, Alan.

[C]

This is good for. This is. This is good for the show.

[A]

Now, now, real quick, Anthony, are you. Are you okay? So you want to get rid of every bit of brass that they have?

[D]

Pretty much.

[A]

Are you good with the talent that they have? Like, do you want to like also trade everyone?

[D]

I mean, no, no, not trade everyone. But eventually the talent that I keep hearing about on defense has to show up and do something at any point in the fourth quarter where they have a double digit lead. Because the teams that I saw that win Super Bowls was on the back of a defense with a quarterback and Eli Manning, who was very good when it mattered, but no one would ever say was a top five quarterback in the league at any given time.

[A]

It's fair point.

[C]

It is, it is.

[B]

But defense, like not everybody could be Lawrence Taylor. They could just blow up every play possible. You're Talking about the 86 and 90 giants, great defenses. They have one of the great, if not the greatest defensive coordinators in the history of the sport.

[D]

They just have the 30th. They just notice need to not have the 30th.

[B]

Don't have two more years in the NFL, Anthony. And I'm not saying that they've got a load of talent on defense. I just said linebacker and secondary leaves a lot to be desired. But if you can coach them up better. No, they're not good enough to be number one.

[D]

Well, make no mistake, they're only good.

[B]

Enough to win the games they're losing.

[D]

No, Adibo hurts them. And they lack depth in the secondary, which you do have to put on the GM that's been here for four years, that if there's an injury to the cornerback that you just signed, that you do not have functional corners. Deontay Banks did not dress because he was not good enough to dress and was a number first round pick.

[B]

I can't defend that so, which was.

[C]

Also, by the way, coaching call here, right. That you guys are pointing out to bench him.

[A]

You mean by the new coaching regime?

[C]

That's what I mean. You're benching a high draft pick. Yeah, but we've given you enough Runway. You're not good for us. You're going to sit now, which a.

[B]

Lot of organizations wouldn't let happen. Right. Like a GM could be stubborn and say, no, you got to play him. I need that guy to play because.

[C]

It makes me look bad. Right.

[A]

Right now, Don, can I ask you a question?

[B]

Sure.

[C]

You just did.

[A]

Any movement. Any movement for the Nimmo move yesterday?

[B]

Oh, that's a big deal, man.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because when we're talking about changing culture, that's a big move. You freed up money. You went out and got an A plus defender at second base in Simeon that now locks down that position, which now allows you to use McNeil in different places or maybe send McNeil packing, too, which I think could happen. This team's mission statement was to improve defensively. They did that. And by doing that, it sends a message out to Alonso that you may not be coming back here because of your lack of defense. So I think this is the first of many moves, but that's a big contract. That's a. That's a player that's been a part of this organization since he was, what, 17 years old? Yeah, man, that's out the door, and I'm going to miss him because I think he was a really good kid and he was a fun mat. But I'm excited about seeing that they're making some changes. I think he wanted to do this last year and couldn't run it back because they went so deep into the playoffs. But now, after missing the playoffs, he's making this his team. And I'm a fan of Stern's. And now he's got a chance to really make this a David Stearns team, and that's a pretty, pretty big move. And I'm looking forward to the other moves. Andy Martino is on with Case, saying it's Senga that's shopping him, so that could free up some money. I'm sure they're gonna have to eat a lot in the deal, but that could free some things up. Diaz and, and Alonzo could be out the door, which gives them a lot of flexibility to get some free agents in here. I. I think this is the first of what could be a very fun, exciting, and foundation building offseason for the Mets.

[C]

You're looking for. You're looking for, like, upgrades because the core of the team, while you fell in love with them. And that's the other problem here. When fans get mad because a player was traded away that you liked, but the team wasn't winning at the level that they should be winning, then you can't. You're putting emotion into it when you have to understand that the general manager can't do that. And Don, what you said to me is like, that's the strongest statement to make about all this, is that in his heart of hearts, David Stearns probably wanted to do this last year. He didn't want to sign Alonso. He did not want to do anything based on emotion. But then the fans booed the owner at that. At that. That fan fest that they had there in the off season. And Cohen clearly didn't like it. It wasn't comfortable with it, and said, we got to get this done. And Stern's like, all right, but, you know, like, this is a year. So if they don't build off the magic, then we know that this group, they gave you a half a season out of the last two years of really, really good baseball. All right, totally. They ran a little bit in the playoffs. It all clicked at the right time, but for the most part, it has not been good. Something. There's a lack of leadership on that team. You can see you brought in defense. Run prevention is going to be critical. That's important at second base. So that's why you did that. You've got to upgrade now in the outfield, and you've got to get yourself a pitcher. And if Tark Skubel's available, you got to be all in to get them. You have to, like, they have to start building this team. That's not about. Well, the fans like them. If you built a team full of fan favorites, you're going to lose a lot more than you're going to win. That's a reality. You have to build a team that can. That can win. And they have to get. They have to upgrade their talent. And that's what this started. But this is. This is just the beginning. They are going to. They're going to shake up that clubhouse, and then they're going to make some moves that I think will then put them over the top when it comes to talent. They had to do it. They waited a year. And if I'm a fan, I'm more annoyed. You know what? You listen to the fans and you waited a year. That was a mistake. Hopefully they get to work now.

[A]

Here's David Stearns. Are you trying to change the clubhouse dynamics?

[E]

I don't know if it's necessarily wanting to change the clubhouse dynamics. I think it's a recognition that what we did last year wasn't good enough and running back the exact same group while wasn't the right thing to do. And so as we went into this, we. We believed and still believe that we have to be open to anything, that we shouldn't be in a spot to take anything off the table. And ultimately, if we're able to put the transactions together that we think makes sense for the team both now and in the future, that we have to consider them regardless of what names may be involved.

[A]

Now, how much do you expect Simeon, who had a rough year, played 127 games last year, guys, but was not the same player offensively. And obviously he's getting up there a bit. How much do you think Simeon will bounce back offensively?

[E]

I think there are still some underlying aspects of what he does that are encouraging for us offensively. I also think it's notable that this is a player that can contribute to winning baseball in a variety of different ways and the bat may not actually lead the way at this point in his career. We think there's. There's likely some bounce back in his offensive profile and his offensive game. What we're counting on at the top of his skill set is the contributions he can make for us defensively, how he can perform on the bases, and we think those are going to help us win games.

[A]

Now, last one here, guys. That I find interesting is. Stearns was asked about weighing Nimmo's relationship with the fans because as Donnie mentioned, he's been here since he was 17 years old. Here's Stearns on that relationship with Nimmo and the fans.

[E]

It was something we had to think about, no question, both in terms of fan reality and the fan relationship with Brandon.

[C]

But.

[E]

But also we have real relationships with Brandon and our players have real relationships with Brandon. Coaches do, front office does. And so that is. That is a part of this and that certainly makes decisions like this a little bit more challenging than they otherwise would be. But at the end of the day, I still felt like this was the right decision for the organization.

[B]

You can't worry about what fans think or the time. I think fans have to be a part sometimes of the decision making, but not when you're trying to make bold moves like this. You're going to break some eggs. And this was a movable piece. I think any Met fan knew that if they were going to change things, he would probably be the first guy to go. So I'm not telling you to feel great about it, but what do you want to do? Do you want a popularity contest with a bunch of players that you love and part of your organization and not win? Or make some hard decisions and win? Now, ultimately, we'll see if this was the right one. But I like this move. Even with all the injuries, Simeon had a better WAR than Nimmo last year. This is a guy that routinely, with three consecutive years led the league and played appearances. He can hit some home runs, he can do a lot of things and he can defend. And it's the one thing that killed the Mets last year. They had an awful defensive year from Lindor, not great from Nimmo. The outfield, you know, Soto comes in with his bat, not his glove. You know, you couldn't go out there with Nimmo and Soto again in the outfield and tell people that you're thinking about defense. They just can't. So this will, this will allow them to become a better defensive team. Defense is not sexy, Peter, but it's something you desperately need.

[C]

Run prevention. Right? That's what they call it in baseball, run prevention. And that, that includes all the major. Like that's not just your pitching. That's not just simply outfield. That's. That's all your positions making sure you don't have a weakness anywhere. And that's. That's how you win. Like you can, you can get away with certain players. Again, Soto, you can get away with it because if you have others. Who's a center fielder, by the way? Don. I don't know exactly. So, like there's a lot of holes.

[B]

Taylor can play. There's guys, guys can play center.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But they're probably looking for their everyday center fielder right now. You got right now as a. Taylor is. If McNeil stays, he could maybe play a little center field. You know, there's a but right now. They did open up a hole, but one that they felt like they needed to with the money that they save. You know, they. They're going to be in on Bellinger guys. They are if I know the reason to drive the price up.

[C]

But don't you think this move kind of hints to that it does.

[B]

Well, sure.

[C]

Like that's. That's what I see that more than anything. If you're a Mets fan, you should be. I know there's so many brokenhearted Met fans because Neville's a nice guy. He's a good guy. He's easy. Easy to root for. There was so many good things about it, and I understand that. But if you could upgrade the position with a guy like Bellinger. Are you kidding me?

[B]

Let me ask you this. If so, what are. If, if things go Stern's way, what are the two positions they're going to be open possibly this off season? First base, right?

[C]

Yeah, first base.

[B]

And guess what? Bellinger could play both of those positions, right? That's right.

[C]

And.

[B]

And we know that money's no object, and I keep referring to it, but it was a great interview Andy Martino did with Michael K. Is that, you know, the Yankees will have a budget on this too, just like they did with Soto. So will this become the new Soto for the Mets where, you know, bid offer the moon and the stars and make him make a decision on where he wants to go, Don.

[C]

Make it a tough one, don't you think? They. They. The Yankees kind of also tip their hand with Bellinger with the move. Right. With what they're doing.

[B]

Oh. With. But with bringing up back Grisham.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And also talking budget again because Hal spoke today. It's odd that they both spoke today. You know, again, being upset about the fact that everybody says he doesn't spend enough money.

[C]

But how many times have I said this? Right? I've. I've always said this. Anybody that criticizes Hal Steinbrenner for not spending enough is not paying attention.

[B]

No, they're not.

[C]

Not what he's spending. It's how it's being spent.

[B]

That's true. But now this could be a second consecutive year where the bidding might be too rich for their star player.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

So how is that going to look optically if back to back years you lose Soto and Bellinger because you didn't want to go there financially?

[C]

Once again, I look at my general manager and I say, how are we not making this work? That's what I say.

[B]

Now, what if it turns into.

[C]

What if it turns into school? What if it turns into that they can acquire a guy like that?

[B]

Well, then. Then you live with it, I guess. Right.

[C]

Right. I mean, you're gonna. You could have loads of pitching but. And hope that one or two like you're. See, this is why also with the Yankees and not to get. Because this is really more a met conversation. But just quickly about the Yankee thing. Just, just to put a bow on it. It's the reason why Cashman deserves every bit of criticism that he gets because it's poorly spent budget and why Aren't you supplementing with players out of your system that everybody. Every year we claim how many. How much talent you have in your system, but yet we can never supplement areas that are weakness on this team with a. But like to fit a budget and say, well, that's all right because we've got Spencer Jones coming up and this guy can rake and he's really, you know, we can make him an A plus defender, whatever it is. Like there's they, you know, Dominguez was supposed to be that. When are you going to start supplementing areas on the team that you can save money on? Because your, your, your farm system must be so freaking good. But yet we never see it at the major league level.

[B]

But some of that went to San Diego to bring Soto in for one year. Are they all. Could they play hardball with Bellinger? You know, Michael brought this up too. Is pivoting to Tatis in San Diego, that'd be amazing. Is that where you have all these extra outfielders? Like, do they end up going in a trade to bring him in if they don't resign?

[C]

How old is Tatis, by the way?

[A]

It can't be any 24, 25.

[B]

He's got to be around younger than Bellinger. Right.

[C]

How old is Spencer Jones?

[A]

26 years.

[B]

He's going to be 25, I think, in May.

[C]

Right. So what are we doing?

[B]

So then you won't get mad?

[C]

No.

[B]

Maybe this is the end game for cash. But it's like, listen, I'm going to play hardball and Tatis on the contract.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Like, it's not like he's up for anything. Right. It's not a rental.

[B]

But he does have a no trade clause. But.

[C]

Yeah, he wouldn't want to come to New York. Yeah.

[B]

If you don't want to come here, you're not going to want to necessarily go anywhere. But he is in San Diego and they do win. So it's not like San Diego of the old days, but. Yeah, but the late Larry Brooks one time told me, without talking about Alex Rodriguez, he laughed at no trade clauses. He's like, you know, you go to a player and say, listen, we don't want you anymore. Yeah, you've got a chance to go to the New York Yankees more times than not, they're gonna waive the no trade. I mean, no trade is not, you know, it's not a chastity belt. You don't have to go find a key. All right? You just, you can work around it.

[A]

By the way, it's the worst spot, right? Isn't that the worst? Like you have the no trade clause and it's great, but once they pull you aside and say, hey, we'd like you to go like they said to Brandon Nimmo, it's like, oh, well, I'm glad I had the no trade clause. But I still now you just say yes. I mean, nine times out of ten.

[B]

That'S the thing, is that nine. Some guys, Mika Zabanejad said just the other day, they're gonna say I'm good, I'm staying. But in most cases, if you treat it right, you massage it right, and the place is right to send him to that part, they'll be okay, I'll go. If you're gonna make them go to Tampa, you know, it's not, it may not work out, but I think getting Tatis to waive his no trade clause to go to the Yankees or the Mets might be a lot easier than some teams.

[A]

1-800-919-3776 we'll get to the calls after what's coming up next. That is the NFL.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Oh yes. And right now, by the way, I forgot to tell the people.

[B]

Oh, you're kidding.

[A]

Sure. Hockey fans and holiday shoppers, listen up real quick.

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Do it.

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[A]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said. Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. This is we're gonna rub football all over ourselves today.

[B]

I did consume a lot of football back in the day. Pre kids in my underwear.

[A]

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Feel like they're cheating on me with you doing the read.

[A]

I know, right?

[C]

Wow.

[A]

It's just a sponsorship for the segment Dom. Don't feel better.

[B]

What a better help sponsored the the list when you feel oh I'd feel about that.

[A]

I'd be all bent out of shape.

[B]

You'd have to go to better help to get over it.

[A]

Yeah, I'd be hurting that the irony. A great day it was to be Alan Hahn. But a better day to be Shador Sanders. Sampson is now motioning into the backfield here. It's a three by one.

[B]

Shador on third down throws it Sampson to the flat.

[E]

Sampson 35.

[A]

Sampson 40. Sampson first down. He's at the right of 30. It's a foot race. And he's gone. Dylan Simpson touchdown.

[C]

It was a great throw. Oh, that screen might have gone 8, 8, 8ft.

[A]

Guess what?

[C]

It's his first touchdown throw.

[A]

Still good for some big sexy numbers. 11 for 20 like you dream about. 209 yards, one TD, one horrifying interception, a QBR of 8. You're not writing home about it.

[C]

You're sounding very negative, pastor.

[A]

Rating of 87.3.

[C]

You know the best stat.

[A]

1 and O is a starter win.

[C]

And by the way, first Browns rookie to win his first day. His starting debut. His first start in how long Kosar?

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

Tim Couch? Nope.

[C]

Further back.

[A]

Further than Kar.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Sipe Brian.

[C]

Not, not. Not that far back.

[A]

I just remember.

[C]

Do you remember 1995 was Zaire. Remember him?

[A]

Oh yeah, sure. Like you dream about.

[C]

Sure, sure. Do.

[B]

I don't remember.

[C]

That's how long it's been. 30, 42nd quarterback to start a game for the Browns since 1999. And he's the first in his. In his debut start to win. So since 1995, got some help on.

[A]

Special teams, got some help from the running game, but either way, by hook or by crook, he gets the win. Here's Shador Sanders. Everybody starts different places. Just because I didn't get the summer reps, just because I wasn't in the best situation for me to be prepared to go out there and execute. Like from a summer standpoint, that's how life is, you know, Everybody's not in the best situation, you know, but there's no excuse. You gotta go out there and perform like there's no choices, no question. Nobody cares. If this was one week of prep, who cared, you know? So a lot of people want to see me fail, and it ain't gonna happen.

[C]

Well, the one thing I would like him to do is just. Just a little. Just a little touch of humility. A little bit.

[A]

He has it at other times.

[C]

No, I know, but there was a lot of stuff like. Like the on the on field interview was a lot about him, his own redemption and proving people wrong and all that stuff. And when you, like all kidding aside, when you read all the. His quarterback stats, like, have a little bit of humility in that moment and point out the fact that Miles Garrett and company were unbelievably dominant in that game. And if I'm not mistaken, they ended up getting Chip Kelly fired, right?

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Chip Kelly out.

[C]

So let's. Let's just tip our cap to a defense that gave you the opportunity to have a win. That's all I'm saying.

[A]

And of course, Judkins gets two TDs on direct snaps inside the 10. But either way, they get the job done. Big one and O for Shador Sanders. And either way, Deion Sanders got to feel great, man. He was there, too. He was there, looked overjoyed. Imagine your kid making it all the way to the NFL, starting a game.

[C]

And winning and a big three for me, I'll take it big.

[A]

And most importantly, the three. I mean, literally, Don, you have seen me make some dub, some dumb commie picks, just all heart. I mean, the man literally just put his heart on the line. That was.

[C]

I put more on the line. I put everything on the table.

[A]

That's right. His hopes, his dreams, his reputation, all of it. The Chiefs are not dead yet, folks. Arizona waits for the goal signal. Butker's kick is good. And the Chiefs have not led in this game until now. They get a walk off field goal in overtime from Harrison. Butker City 23, the Colts 20 in overtime, 96.5. The fan in Kansas City. Chiefs down 29, but still find a way to win. Mahomes knew this was an important one.

[D]

Kind of urgency thing. I mean, obviously you want to be urgent, but it was do or die type thing where you had to make something happen and guys made plays happen throughout the entire team. It wasn't one person, it was everybody. Everybody made plays in the biggest moments and we found a way to win.

[C]

Kermit the Frog here.

[A]

What did you have to do that. It's not right?

[C]

I mean, he doesn't, you know, he's not cool.

[A]

His voice is weird. He's kind of a dork. His brother's a tool, his girlfriend's annoying.

[B]

But it's a fair trade, right? God tells.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

You're gonna be in every commercial, win a ton of Super Bowls. You're gonna be one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

[C]

But you're gonna have to sound like a Muppet. Are you okay with that? Yes.

[A]

We told people to just check their.

[D]

Egos at the door.

[B]

You're gonna sound like a Muppet and your brother's gonna be a toolbox.

[C]

This is a letter W, by the way. It is a easy letter to make.

[D]

Right kind of urgency thing. I mean, obviously you want to be urgent, but it was. It was do or die type type thing. You had to make something.

[A]

Hear that? Same thing.

[C]

It was do or die Piggy.

[A]

Dallas. The Cowboys do the unthinkable. They beat the champs 42 yards on.

[B]

The left hash to win the game.

[A]

Snap and hold. 42 yard kick from Aubrey. The Cowboys have won this football game. Butter, butter, butter, butter, butter. Excuse me. 24 unanswered for the Cowboys. 24. 21 Cowboys over the Eagoos tied with the 2003 Bucks for the largest blown lead in a loss by a defending champ in history. Who cares about that stat? Nick Seary, Brianny on the collapse.

[E]

It's about being able to fix the things so the.

[B]

The things that we made mistakes on tonight, coaching and playing doesn't repeat itself.

[E]

And so it's finding that time to.

[B]

Be able to do that, you know.

[E]

And getting up and.

[B]

And going back to work, even though.

[E]

You got a bad taste in your mouth from.

[B]

And we're gonna have a plane ride home.

[E]

So it's just about fixing the issues.

[A]

I'll tell you, he's not gonna have a bad plane ride anywhere. It's the NFC leading Los Angeles Rams. Stafford. The pistol has to go up and over his left shoulder to catch the snap. Lobs one end zone. It's a touchdown. Devonte Adams racing underneath another Matthew Stafford. Dot. That's from ESPN. LA 710347 in the Mayfield Bowl. The Rams over the Bucks with the Buccaneers loss. A Panthers win on Monday Night Football would give Carolina the outright lead in the NFC south for the first time since week three of 2021.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But guys, sitting right here, I mean, at this moment, how are the Rams not the favorite in this conference?

[B]

That's what I thought about. Right. They are after what happened to the Eagles. And then you just see the Rams just destroy Tampa. We get an update on Baker Mayfield shoulder.

[A]

Let me see what I have here on the left, the latest on young buck hair.

[B]

I don't know if that was precautionary because of the score or whether it's really, really hurt, but they look like the team to be right now, for whatever that's worth, before Thanksgiving.

[C]

It keeps changing though, right, Don? I mean, they have been consistently good from the start of the season, but everybody else has sort of had a moment where you thought, oh, that's the team, that's the team. But in the nfc, what we just keep seeing is the it team starts to lose it, but the Rams have just kind of stayed consistent as a good team. And so you start believing in them more than anything.

[A]

It's being called a sprained shoulder.

[C]

That's not good.

[A]

MRI today and unclear for next weekend for Baker Mayfield.

[C]

That's not good.

[B]

Well, this is the second kink in the armor for Philadelphia, right? The loss to the Giants. They blew a 21 point lead to Dallas. That doesn't mean they can't get up from it. They got up from it the last time that they had an issue, but, you know, Rams just keep marching on, man. They just keep doing it. Major statements against Seattle and now Tampa.

[A]

And now you see what, see what it is when you win a couple of crappy games like the Giants could have won over the course of the season. The Cowboys now sit at 5, 5 and 1, right in the 10 spot. San Francisco sitting in the 7, currently at 7 and 4. Packers in the 6 at 7, 7, 3 and 1. And you're a Cowboys fan, man, you can dream now. Big matchup coming up on Thanksgiving against the Chiefs. Two teams who need a dub. That's I can't say it's on game. It's not quite absolute. Must win for either. But you need that game.

[B]

It's getting late, man.

[A]

Getting late.

[C]

Early. That's a fun game. Real fun.

[A]

And you know what by the way I would is that that's not the.

[C]

First one, is it? The Lions of the first.

[A]

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[C]

What's that like?

[B]

I don't know. Meaningful games for sure.

[A]

Can you imagine? And Dom, by the way, your your Ravens take is aging fantastic. Fantastically well.

[B]

They bat the bunny for a little bit against the jets, right? Well, you know, down 7 nothing 7 3.

[C]

Lamar. Doesn't look right though.

[B]

No, it just doesn't seem that. I don't know how far they can go, but I still think they're winning that division.

[A]

Well, they're.

[C]

Oh yeah, I think that's. I think that's very fair.

[A]

Yeah. And they're currently there. They're the four seed right now. It happened fast, Don. You blinked. And they are in the playoffs. And again, yeah, they're not a good version of the Ravens. But while we said it is getting late early. There's also for a team like that that just got their quarterback, there is still time left for them to find the groove between now and January.

[B]

Yes. So they'll be there one way or the other.

[A]

Must be nice. That'll do it for the NFL binge. What was that? Week 12? Good Lord, Lord. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[C]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want.

[A]

Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

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[A]

Isn't it basically already being.

[C]

Doesn't it feel like that's coming?

[A]

It feels like it's already kind of happening. Some version of that is our analytics.

[C]

Will do that, right? Because you can, you can, you can use analytics to push projected. But AI almost gives you like the advice it kind of don't you think? Well, it can run it for you like here, here the place to run. This is what you should do based on what we know they're going to do based on what they've done in 8 million. No, no, listen, if you've the past.

[A]

Game you guys tell Me a scenario and I put it here in chat GPT. It will 100% tell us what to do, right?

[C]

How many? When do you get to a point that there's going to be an owner somewhere that's gonna just get so fed up in hiring, firing coaches that it's gonna be almost. Almost like Aaron Boone and all the analytics. It's here. You're gonna sit there and we're gonna feed you what AI tells us to do. And we're gonna do that. Who to play, when to play them all.

[A]

Here we go. It's fourth down. I'm setting it all up. I'm giving them yesterday.

[C]

You have to give the details too. It's the Giants, it's the Lions. So you know who's coaching. A lot of detail here.

[A]

Well, I'm not going to get into all the detail. Let's just do a rough version. All right, here we go. I just said I'm coaching a football game. My team is up three. We have the ball at the opposing six. It's fourth down. There's a minute left. What should we do?

[C]

Pop quiz, hot shot.

[A]

Let's see if they come up with an answer quickly. All right, here's the clean game theory you can apply right now in big bold letters. Kick the field goal. Go up six.

[C]

You knew it.

[A]

It says why this is the optimal call in almost every scenario. A field will put you up six. The opponent then needs a touchdown with one minute left. They can no longer beat you with a fluky field goal or broken play. If you go for it and fail, they get the ball at their own six, down three. Meaning they now need only a field goal to tie and a touchdown wins. That's a much worse position. Thank you, Chad. GPT. I feel like anybody would have agreed with this.

[C]

Hey. Except of course, not the Giants.

[B]

I don't know if it'll ever be 100%, but it could be part of the seven or eight things you look at just to see, to confirm. But I think Alan's right. Some facsimile of it's probably being used not to the way you did it, but using AI in some way shape or form. You know, while we have a moment, I don't want to forget. Guys, congratulations to Gotham FC for their championship yesterday. Their second in three years.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Third overall. So we complain about no championships in New York. Well, we have another championship, guys.

[C]

We have those.

[B]

And this is what, like they were an eight seed, right? They were like a low seed and had to knock off three of the best teams to do it. So they picked up the win yesterday and they have won a championship. And I think, well believe they were honored today at City Hall.

[C]

Well done. Very good.

[A]

Speaking of championships, let's hear from Aaron. Go Glenn. On the loss to Baltimore. Tough loss today. To me, I. I feel bad for the players.

[B]

I just told them, you know, how much I love them, how much the effort that they gave was outstanding and.

[A]

Man, to not get a victory. And I think those guys really played 10 points exactly how we wanted to.

[C]

When it comes to. It's 10 points.

[B]

I gotta tell you, though, the. The efforts there, they just don't have.

[A]

They're not any good. Right.

[B]

They're not any good. But let's give. Let's give credit where credit's due.

[A]

Where is credit due?

[B]

I thought Breeze hall played well. I felt terrible for him on the fumble.

[C]

That fumble was so effort. Oh, this, that and that.

[A]

Brutal.

[B]

But just seeing how he reacted, the towel over his head.

[C]

I thought he was crying. Was he crying?

[B]

I don't. I'm not sure. But I will tell you, he was not baking business decisions. For a guy that, yeah, you know, could feel like he was disrespected by the organization, not given a contract, not dealt at the deadline, you know, he's. He's playing, he's given effort, and I give him credit for that. I know he shouldn't have to, but in this day and age, players under those circumstances probably would not have reacted the same way after, you know, fumbling away a chance to win the game. They were down two possessions, but still he's making an extra effort, gets stripped of the ball and he looked devastated.

[A]

And listen, you know, you at least give your chance, your team a chance to win if you get in there.

[B]

Yeah, they've got a chance, right?

[A]

Yeah. I still don't think they win, but, like, for a player like Breece, I get why hard that is. Can I just say, there are a lot of things that make sports like professional sports just impossible. The one thing to me that is absolutely unfathomable is holding the ball. When a defender gets that good a strip opportunity, I don't know how you don't let go of the ball.

[B]

I know I would.

[A]

Guys, that's a game that if you played it, a mortal person would let go every single time.

[B]

Think of how many times, whether it's your phone, a fork, whatever. You bump your elbow and you drop whatever's in your hand.

[A]

I know, Just bump it.

[B]

Then they're holding a football and Guys are swiping it. One of the greatest, most underrated plays in the history of football, to me as a Giant fan, is the safety Jeff Hostetler took in Super Bowl 25. At the end of the second quarter, Bruce Smith grabs his wrist. He's holding a football in his hand. And Bruce Smith, a future and now current hall of Famer, 300 something pounds, swipes down and grabs the wrist of the hand that's holding the football. And he didn't fumble. How is that possible? So they're, they're not mortal.

[A]

Did you see though, like the safety, whoever it is on that play with Breeze, literally gets like, he gets his hand on the ball and while like standing has like a full yard to rip at it while he's getting held up by other players. It's an impossible.

[B]

It's so hard.

[A]

And then, and then they have to sit there and feel like they're failures. They cry like they did something horrible because you're just supposed to, you're just supposed to hold the ball. But it's a, it's the same thing with the punch out.

[C]

Guys, when you play now, think about, just try to do this on your own. Just run and have somebody just hold the football running by you and you just are trying to catch them and punch at the same time.

[A]

Oh, you're saying it's an incredible play for those doing the punching.

[C]

Defensively, it's an unreal play. Unreal because you have to. Again, the hand eye coordinate. Of course, these are elite athletes who do things that mere mortals like us can't. But when you watch it in slow motion, it looks so easy, but it.

[A]

Is not a point.

[C]

It's martial arts on the football field.

[A]

And think about how it feels. The tons of times we never notice when they miss the ball and just punch you as hard as they can in the forearm. These are gigantic men wailing on your forearms.

[B]

Yeah, it should be allowed, right? You poke the ball out, but once you start punching it. No, it's, it's great.

[A]

It is. I gotta tell you, that position, you know, and it seems like it's having a bit of a resurgence, but the running back position has been repeatedly devalued as it also gets harder and harder to.

[C]

I agree. Yeah, I agree. The other play from yesterday, and I'm sure you guys saw it over and over again, was on, on the fumble. It didn't turn into points. Amazingly though, but the Cowboys Eagles, the gunner, right, how he's. He gets destroyed.

[A]

It's unreal.

[C]

Knock down flips Over. He's getting pushed.

[A]

Shove. You see this yet?

[B]

I don't think I saw.

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Send him a link to it.

[C]

Alan. He gets. He just. He won't stop. He gets up, he keeps running, keeps running, runs it down and he ends up forcing the fumble that they recover on. What was it? It was within the 10 yard line.

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Inside the five.

[C]

Inside the five.

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Was it Don? It's a play where if you were to show this.

[C]

Everybody in the world quits on that. He never. He doesn't quit.

[A]

If you were to show this to kids and go, this is what playing this game is all about. This is how hard you have to play. And by the way, this isn't a glory position. Like I said, it's the gunner. Right. This is just a hard.

[C]

You're supposed to get killed. Yeah, these are.

[A]

These are often guys who don't make the most money and aren't the most well known. He's getting thrown to the ground the entire play and ends up making it all the way down the field and forcing the fumble. It's crazy.

[C]

Yeah, it's a great play.

[A]

I gotta say, guys in general, we'll get more into it in the five o' clock hour. A pretty good week of entertaining football. Week 12. It took time. We're here now in late November. We've got some actual football games to watch.

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It's fun.

[C]

I think. I think Thanksgiving, we're going to be treated to some good ones. I mean, we've already got some good ones on the slate.

[A]

Oh, I got to tell you, it's a. Fantastic. Relative to a lot of years, it's a fantastic lineup. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the.

[C]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good here.

[A]

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