Hour 2: Parents Lying & NFL Binge

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Parents Lying & NFL Binge

Release Date: June 16, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into two primary topics: the intriguing case of parents potentially lying to their children about sports-related anecdotes and a comprehensive "NFL Binge" segment analyzing recent developments in the National Football League.

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Segment 1: Parents Lying – The Hunter Dobbins Story

Timestamp: 01:48 – 17:30

The episode opens with Alan Hahn recounting the baffling investigation by Joel Sherman into the background of Hunter Dobbins. According to the reports, Dobbins claims his father was drafted twice by the Yankees, a story that lacks verification from the Yankees organization or from Andy Pettit, whom Dobbins supposedly befriended.

Key Points:

1. Inconsistencies in Hunter Dobbins' Story:

   • Alan Hahn (03:52): “This Hunter Dobbins story, guys, right. It just continues unraveling...”
   • Don La Greca (02:27): Hunter claims his father was a Yankees draft pick, but the Yankees have no record of drafting him.

2. Impact of Parental Lies:

   • The hosts discuss the potential psychological impact on Hunter, questioning whether his father's embellished stories influenced his career decisions.
   • Peter Rosenberg (03:52): “Well, if I had to guess, his dad lied to him or exaggerated some information."

3. Listeners' Personal Stories:

   • Alan Hahn shares a personal anecdote about being told his parents restricted him from going to the top of the Eiffel Tower, a lie he believed for 25 years.
   • Caller Tom (44:32): Describes receiving a Mets signed birthday card from his father, only to realize later that his dad fabricated the signatures.

4. Moral and Ethical Implications:

   • The discussion revolves around the fine line between harmless white lies and significant fabrications that can alter one's life trajectory.
   • Holly (43:24): Highlights the difference between victimless lies parents often tell and the deeper deceit in Hunter's case.

5. Concerns Over Hunter's Character:

   • The hosts debate whether Hunter's acceptance of his father's lies reflects poorly on his judgment or if his father is the one exhibiting problematic behavior.
   • Holly (10:43): “It means your dad is like an insane liar.”

Notable Quotes:

• Alan Hahn (02:27): “...Hunter repositioned himself by mowing the Yankees down.”
• Peter Rosenberg (09:11): “A child is always gonna believe anything their parents tell them.”

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Segment 2: NFL Binge – Recent Developments and Player Analyses

Timestamp: 21:37 – 46:40

Transitioning from personal stories, the hosts immerse themselves in the latest happenings within the NFL, offering insights and critiques on player performances, team strategies, and league dynamics.

Key Points:

1. Zach Wilson's Performance and Team Dynamics:

   • Holly (22:33): Explores Zach Wilson's transition to the Miami Dolphins and his challenges with throw timing.
   • Alan Hahn (24:33): Comments on Wilson's physical limitations affecting his gameplay.

2. Dak Prescott's Championship Aspirations:

   • Peter Rosenberg (25:21): “I want to win a championship. The legacy...”
   • Discussion on Prescott's focus on winning over personal legacy and the Dallas Cowboys' current team performance.
   • Holly (26:05): Reflects on how winning championships inherently builds a player's legacy.

3. Cincinnati Bengals' Defensive Star Trey Hendrickson:

   • Peter Rosenberg (29:09): Highlights Hendrickson's impressive sack record and the Bengals' negotiations for retaining him.
   • Alan Hahn (30:12): Notes Cincinnati's position as the lowest revenue NFL franchise and its impact on player retention.

4. Kansas City Chiefs' Relocation Efforts:

   • Holly (30:40): Reports on Missouri's legislative efforts to keep the Chiefs and Royals in the state.
   • Peter Rosenberg (31:10): Discusses the confusion among fans about the Chiefs' actual location.

5. Indianapolis Colts Induct Former Owner Jim Irsay into Ring of Honor:

   • Holly (34:07): Announces the induction and debates the impact of Irsay's controversial reputation.
   • Peter Rosenberg (34:42): Acknowledges Irsay's past issues but also notes his beloved status among players and the community.

6. Historical Sports Moments:

   • Alan Hahn (40:31): Remembers the chaotic events of June 17, 1994, including significant sports milestones and cultural moments.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike McDaniel (22:42): “...the focus is to not care about much of the result, but just to every day. Is my mindset shifting to just playing with conviction and just letting it rip?”
• Dak Prescott (25:45): “I want to win a championship. The legacy... will take care of itself.”
• Peter Rosenberg (29:17): “They are by far the lowest revenue franchise in the NFL.”

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Segment 3: Listener Engagement and Personal Anecdotes

Timestamp: 41:51 – 45:18

The podcast engages with listeners through shared personal stories about parental lies, reinforcing the earlier discussion's theme.

Key Points:

1. Alan Hahn’s Eiffel Tower Story:

   • Alan Hahn (42:01): Narrates being told his parents prevented him from reaching the Eiffel Tower's top due to safety concerns.
   • Caller Tom (44:32): Shares a similar experience with his father's fabricated interactions with MLB players.

2. Holly's Fishing Tale:

   • Peter Rosenberg (07:51): Recalls being told he caught a tuna fish, only to later realize it was impossible due to the fish species' habitat.

3. Discussion on Harmless vs. Harmful Lies:

   • The hosts differentiate between playful parental lies meant to protect or entertain children and deceitful stories that have long-term repercussions.
   • Holly (43:24): “Every parent does that. Because otherwise, the kid's gonna cry and beg all night.”

Notable Quotes:

• Alan Hahn (43:00): “But by the way, I just want to say though your parents are normal. That lie is one parents have been doing for generations.”
• Caller Tom (45:14): “And then when I figured it out, we all had a good laugh.”

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Conclusion

In this episode, Don, Hahn & Rosenberg seamlessly intertwine personal narratives about the ramifications of parental deceit with in-depth analyses of current NFL events. The discussion on Hunter Dobbins' questionable background story serves as a cautionary tale about the long-term effects of lies told during childhood, while the NFL segment keeps listeners informed and engaged with the latest in football.

Final Thoughts:

The episode underscores the importance of honesty in nurturing young athletes and highlights the complexities of balancing personal legacy with team success in the NFL. The hosts' dynamic conversations, enriched with personal anecdotes and expert critiques, make for an engaging and thought-provoking listen.

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Notable Quotes Compilation:

• Alan Hahn (02:27): “...Hunter repositioned himself by mowing the Yankees down.”
• Peter Rosenberg (09:11): “A child is always gonna believe anything their parents tell them.”
• Mike McDaniel (22:42): “...the focus is to not care about much of the result, but just to every day. Is my mindset shifting to just playing with conviction and just letting it rip?”
• Dak Prescott (25:45): “I want to win a championship. The legacy... will take care of itself.”
• Peter Rosenberg (29:17): “They are by far the lowest revenue franchise in the NFL.”

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Stay tuned for more insightful discussions on Don, Hahn & Rosenberg, where New York's sports and cultural legends come together to bring you the latest and most engaging stories from the heart of the city and beyond.

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don La Greca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Holly]

It'S holly time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Is he gonna do make this guy?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's doing two shows.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. You're not the only one that can do two shows in one day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but you know what?

[Alan Hahn]

Although he's slacking, he didn't do six straight hours.

[Holly]

Like no, that's, you know, Don's a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Different taking a break and then diving back in. But you know, still come on. Nice hour and a half what he does. I know. Half hour. Excuse me. So it's not a lot, but still.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that's true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

This Hunter Dobbins story, guys, right. It just continues unraveling. So Joel Sherman last week investigated the whole story about how his father was a draft pick. Of what? The Yankees. And they caught him and all this other stuff happened. And he grew up a Red Sox fan. He never would play for the Yankees because of how they treated his dad, that whole thing. Joel Sherman then said a lot of this doesn't make sense. The Yankees have no recollection of a Dobbins that they drafted twice and cut and all this other stuff. And Dobbins also said that he became really close friends with Andy Pettit. So they checked with Andy Pettit. Andy Pettit has no recollection of this guy.

[Holly]

Okay, so what the hell is going on?

[Alan Hahn]

The whole story gets bizarre. So naturally, what you do as a reporter, and this is what the Post did, they went and saw Dobbins and said to him, like, what's the deal here? Your dad. You know, your dad kind of fabricating this. And Dobbins said, I know it's a story, but I'm just here to throw the ball. So he didn't really want to get too deep into it, but then he said, but he did go into it. He said it was stuff I heard when I was. When I was little. And whether it's that I'm misremembering things from them, I don't know. My dad has always done a really good job having me focus on my career, my development. He pushed me to be the best I can. That's what I'm focused on. So he did just talk about how my dad said he doesn't want to be a distraction. I told him he's not, and I don't really care. But then they also said, like, well, what about what you said about how you would never play for them if they were the last team to offer you a contract, you would just retire? Which really seemed aggressive. He said it was never a slight to anybody in that dugout or that clubhouse. He pointed out that Chisholm had fun with it, and you just do whatever you can to push you to be your best. And that's basically it. Doesn't think any of this stuff overshadowed anything, that it was all, like, in good fun. And then when asked even more about some of these tall tales his dad was apparently told him, he said, I just told him what was going on, but I didn't ask him about it, and we just moved on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, if I had to guess, his dad lied to him or exaggerated some information.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he was never to say he was drafted twice by the Yankees. But you say he was never drafted once.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that's.

[Holly]

That's.

[Alan Hahn]

Why would you say that?

[Holly]

That's. That's. That's more than exaggerated, I don't think. It's kind of like acknowledging my dad's a complete fool and then they mistreated.

[Alan Hahn]

Him, so that's why we hate them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm saying, isn't that on the table that his dad lied to him? Like, would he make that up very.

[Alan Hahn]

Much on the table?

[Holly]

No, not only that, it has to be that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Knowing that his. I guess his dad's still with us, right? Yeah, he Just talked to him, right? So he talked to him like he.

[Holly]

Doesn'T want to embarrass his dad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He doesn't want to embarrass his dad. But I'm sure his dad probably told him tall tales when he was like 5 or 6 years old, figuring, where's it ever going to? And then no, it happens. I get, I mean, I've, I try to make sure I don't do that.

[Holly]

Well, but Don, this is so beyond a tall tale. This is a made up life that.

[Alan Hahn]

He'S, he got close with Andy Pettit. Andy Pettit's like, I have no idea this guy.

[Holly]

This is such a. Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Alan Hahn]

You didn't think that reporters would then investigate this? The kid said he wouldn't sign with anybody if the Yankees were the last team off McConnell. I'd rather retire.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If he believed his dad, if he believed his dad, I would do the same thing so bad.

[Holly]

Think about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Junior wouldn't want to be a Yankee because if he felt how his dad was treated.

[Alan Hahn]

All the kid does though is mow the Yankees down. So it's worked.

[Holly]

But it's crazy. It means that his dad must have lied to him so much that he told the stories as if they were factual. And now that it's coming back around, his dad looks so insane that he had to give us that weird answer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Holly]

Because otherwise if it wasn't that deep, he'd go, oh, my dad was always telling stories and as a kid one of his made up stories that they all knew was a goof, I believed. But obviously his dad no got caught telling crazy because otherwise. Don, why would you give this generic, I just want to focus on baseball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want to embarrass your dad.

[Holly]

But that means your dad is like an insane liar.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, again, what else would have been.

[Alan Hahn]

Did his dad have any kind of minor league career?

[Holly]

Wouldn't we. No one's saying that yet.

[Alan Hahn]

They have no evidence now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Again, it depends on when, right? Like could he maybe told a tall tale to his kid when he's five or six figure? And where's this ever going to go?

[Alan Hahn]

20 years later, he remembers a story from five years old they never discussed.

[Holly]

Again, didn't bring it up. That's a great point by Alan.

[Alan Hahn]

He wasn't like a 10 year old watching baseball. The Yankees were in the World Series or whatever. And he's like sitting with his dad going like, I don't know, this is a team that didn't draft you guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Does he ever as now we have, you know, three fathers in the room.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now that Peter's been a dad for four months, does it ever get to the point where you're like, can I tell my son I lied to him? Or do you just kind of build off it and just hope it never.

[Holly]

But, Don, if. Here's my.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not defending him. It's still wrong to do. But was it just an innocent lie told. Can't be innocent and then. Well, it's innocent when you don't know your son's going to be playing major league baseball.

[Holly]

No, it still wouldn't. The only way it's innocent, Don, is if the kid was three. And it's literally of the age where you're making up a story because the story won't be remembered tomorrow. If he was at the age of 11 and he's going, well, you know, son, I was a major leaguer. I got drafted by the Yankees twice. It's not innocent anymore.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're now weird because the thing with Pettit, is it possible he could have met Andy Pettit? Maybe they were. They spoke a couple times, and he exaggerated that they were friends. And it's not something Andy Pettit's Gonna remember from 20 years ago. Whatever.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he played out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I guess it could have started out innocent.

[Alan Hahn]

Independent league, four years now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did I should have been drafted all of a sudden become. I was drafted. Like, I'm just wondering, did a tall tale, an innocent little lie somehow to a young child end up blossoming into this?

[Alan Hahn]

I guess it's one of those things that just gets out of control to a point now where it just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I told you this story.

[Alan Hahn]

What's that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We went. I wasn't a big fishing guy, but my dad had a fishing pole. And I was like, come on, let's go fishing. Let's go fish. We went and go fishing. I catch a little pike, little stupid fish. And I was so excited, right? And I wanted to eat the fish. I must have been five years old, okay, I want to eat that fish, right? So my dad's like, all right. He probably, when I looked away, threw it back in the water, made it look like he put it in a bag or put it back in the tackle box or whatever. So I get home, my mom makes me a tuna fish sandwich and says it's from the fish. Okay. Not being a guy that knew anything about fishing, I was telling that. I was telling people in high school, like, freshman year of college. Did you ever catch fish? Oh, yeah. One time I Caught a tuna.

[Alan Hahn]

Caught it and ate it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where did you catch it? Oh, behind Manchester High School. You caught a tuna behind Manchester High School? A tuna?

[Holly]

I'm like, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do you know it was a tuna? Cause when I got home, my mom made a sandwich. Tuna. It was a tuna fish sandwich.

[Alan Hahn]

She chopped it up finely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now I find out that tunas are only like, ocean dwelling. And there's no way a tuna could be behind a brook in Manchester High. Behind Manchester High School. I love this, but I never. But I didn't follow up. I don't know anything about fishing. And the reality.

[Holly]

Small, your story is relative to this story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the one truth I will say. A child is always gonna believe anything their parents tell them. That's why I'm very careful. Even though that's an innocent story and it makes me look stupid. Right. Is that anything I tell Marco or Jaylon, they're gonna take his absolute gospel. And I don't know at this point what they're gonna remember and what they're not gonna remember. What's the line of demarcation when you start to. Things start to end up in your brain. Is it 4? Is it 5? Whatever. So some story that might have been complete BS to help them help him fall asleep one night when he had the flu ends up becoming something that now he's not a. The SOB ends up in Major League Baseball and he's throwing this story out as if it's true.

[Alan Hahn]

I think his dad saw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're killing me. You're killing me, Smalls.

[Alan Hahn]

He saw the Boston Herald store and he went, oh, God, son, I should have. Call me as soon as you can.

[Holly]

It's impossible. Whatever, Blanche.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But why didn't we ever straighten that out? Why did we straighten that out with Hunter?

[Holly]

As you're saying. Doesn't it become more and more clear to you what I'm saying? No, it's Donna's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know how many times you have.

[Holly]

To be a psycho?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many times? Let me just.

[Holly]

Hold on. So who's the psycho? That's a. I mean, that's really the son story. Son who's so dumb. I mean, he's so brain dead that he heard a story as a 10 year old and now is a major leaguer.

[Alan Hahn]

Never thought to look his dad up.

[Holly]

He's telling us. So it's either. It's either Hunter is a moron who should not be allowed baseball near other grown human beings, or the father is so crazy that as the life went on. Do you realize if you were Jack Leiter whoever. Whoever the kid is who's coming up.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Holly]

The amount of lies that would have to happen as you're getting better in your career. He's 16 now. He's 17. He's playing travel ball. Everyone's telling stories about his dad, but.

[Alan Hahn]

He never, like, said to someone, even before this, of, like, you know, oh, baseball run in your family? Yeah. You know, my dad was drafted twice by the Yankees, and no one was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, no, I don't think anybody. Nobody's gonna look it up until it becomes, like, important. Right now it's important.

[Holly]

Even in college.

[Alan Hahn]

I would think your kids are too. Still too young maybe for that. My kids Google me. They actually do. They're curious to see agencies, but also just stuff that, like, they would never know. And they look up all that stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. He was born in 1999. He takes it. Maybe he just never thought to.

[Holly]

Someone's a psycho again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He didn't play for the Yankees. He got drafted by the Yankees. I mean, I don't know where you go to check, you know, I just.

[Alan Hahn]

Found his career with one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why would you go to check?

[Alan Hahn]

Because it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it's your dad.

[Alan Hahn]

You want to be able to see, like, well, what did he do over his number?

[Peter Rosenberg]

There could have been countless.

[Holly]

Never went to Baseball Reference once to look at the stats.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There could have been times where, Alan.

[Holly]

You and I are locked in here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'm just trying to find an avenue.

[Holly]

There's no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want to find the good in people because again, he's a psychopath. I'm not saying that's not the answer. It is, because you're gonna get caught when you lie to that extent. You're gonna get caught. Brian Williams got caught. Right, with the helicopter stuff. People are gonna find out. We live in a day and age. You tell a story and it's not true. People are gonna find it out. All right, how many times did he go, 10, 12, 14? Son, I got something to tell you. And he goes, dad, wait a minute. I just want to say, I wouldn't be a major, I would not be pitching right now if it weren't for the fact that you were drafted by the Yankees. And then he go, okay, now he's 16, and he's like, son, listen, I've been. I'm meaning to tell you, my mother and I want to tell you about that draft. Wait, wait, wait. Before you do that, Dad, I just wanted to say I was just telling somebody the other day how amazing it is that my dad was so good. He Was drafted by the Yankees. Again, I'm grasping at straws here.

[Holly]

I mean, you're beyond straws.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Psychopath. We move on to the next subject. No, no, I'm just trying it out.

[Holly]

Let me play it out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm trying to say. All I'm telling you with Maya is just be careful.

[Holly]

I will, believe me, I promise.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because you just, you get to a.

[Holly]

Certain age and they go, daddy, you really went to space and you went, oh, no, honey. I used to say that when you were a little girl. Of course there are people called astronauts. I didn't really go to space. Only some people can do that. It's really hard. You got to at some point have the conversation. Now maybe a listener will call us today and say that they were 25 years old when they realized their dad didn't invent the light bulb or, you know, win the Heisman Trophy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But this guy's like 71 rounds. But there's, but it's not like, oh, I was drafted in the first round. I was drafted. There's 71 rounds. Like twice, but.

[Holly]

Twice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why such a. I don't, I don't get it. But you know what? Can we absolve Hunter, though?

[Holly]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Believing his dad?

[Holly]

No. Is he. Is he six?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So Hunter is going to tell what he knows is a lie to people in New York who are going to check.

[Holly]

How old is he? How old is Hunter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

25.

[Holly]

Then you do not get absolved of anything anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

He was also an 8th round pick of the Red Sox. So wouldn't you also be like, I was picking the eighth round. What round were you picking, dad? That would never come up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, it was the draft. They didn't pay attention.

[Alan Hahn]

They really didn't do rounds back then. Son, they just called you. You didn't even know.

[Holly]

What about the second time?

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Holly]

Oh, well, that was the same thing.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it was dial up back then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just. I'm going to absolve Hunter. I'm sorry, you 25 years old. If you want to criticize him for not fact checking his dad, I'm not going to kill him for that.

[Holly]

It's his dad, okay?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He should be able to believe his dad. And if he knows it's a lie, there's no way he's going to tell. Reporters in that can check a story that he knows is a lie.

[Holly]

When? Real quick, one more time for people who may missed, including myself. When did this first get said? When did he first say?

[Alan Hahn]

Before the series at the Bronx. Going into that series, it was going to start At Yankee Stadium. Boston Herald. They were doing a little story on. He's a rookie, it's his first start Yankee Stadium. And he did this whole thing about how they, if they were just last week team to offer me a contract, I wouldn't go, I would retire. And they asked him why and he just said, well, the way they treated my dad. I was born a Red Sox fan because of this and this whole story. And then Joel Sherman got wind of it and was like, all right, let's track the dad down.

[Holly]

Good old Joel Sherman.

[Alan Hahn]

First of all, what happened to Lance Job?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And there's also no way that this is the first time he's telling the story. So nobody fact checked. It is possible that Hunter didn't know.

[Alan Hahn]

It'S on Baseball reference.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why would he check baseball?

[Holly]

Don't Google. I've googled everything that you could find on my dad before any old articles I could find you look in the last. Since Google's been around, he, they've grown up with it part of their DNA.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But because your dad, I, I, I don't, I don't.

[Holly]

A baseball player would be even more like, even more.

[Alan Hahn]

If you go on YouTube and look.

[Holly]

For highlights, are there any highlights of his games? Where can I find something?

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so the easy answer is the. These are the human filth.

[Holly]

No. No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what you're saying.

[Holly]

Someone's a psycho.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not filth. It's not such a bizarre story that blew up in his face, but yet he beat the Yankees twice. So how's it working out for it?

[Holly]

See, it's working out fine. But I, the fact that he wasn't able to kind of laugh about it, and he was like, hey, I'm just.

[Alan Hahn]

Gonna, I'm sure he's embarrassed.

[Holly]

That means his dad was probably like actually lying.

[Alan Hahn]

Question. He's embarrassed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gotta hurt him.

[Holly]

And now he's like, why do you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Imagine it's a story that obviously. How do you know that this story his dad told him isn't like the whole soul driving force to him being in the major league now?

[Alan Hahn]

Nothing is real.

[Holly]

Everything's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And now he's gonna go, yeah, my dad's a piece of garbage. What do you want? Next question. Like, you know, it's funny.

[Holly]

I feel bad for him too. That's all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The moral of the story is, especially for Peter as a new dad, is just be careful what you tell your kids because certain things are gonna resonate. It's amazing. What Marco and Jalen remember stuff from like two years ago that I said, like, it's gonna stick with them. And if it's a lie in this world back in the 40s, didn't matter. There's no documentation. Again, we were at war. Nobody wrote anything down. Now it's all documented document. They got to be careful people. So this should be a cautionary tale for every dad out.

[Alan Hahn]

Still a funny story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Be careful.

[Alan Hahn]

Day after Father's Day. What a great story. Come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right? Super.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, I'm glad I brought. I'm so glad I brought it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I just.

[Alan Hahn]

It's funny now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hope Joel stumbled upon this in hopes of being able to talk to his dad and not be like, let's.

[Alan Hahn]

Ask the Yankees, like, what was it about him you didn't, like, turn it.

[Holly]

I'm sure he was happy with whatever version.

[Alan Hahn]

Like who? Well, let me ask Andy. Andy knows him well. Andy, what do you think of who.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You could see?

[Alan Hahn]

That's when your spidey senses.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't think that's something could be easily exaggerated. That he knew Andy Pettit, but they were close. He said, well, that people can exaggerate that stuff. Listen, I just. I want to find the good in people. The day after Father's Day and after I just talked to Jeff Passon, I feel good. I'm in a good mood. Griffin in Connecticut. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Griff.

[Caller]

That one. Are you not in a good mood?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Quite a bit.

[Alan Hahn]

Let us count.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The way I try not to.

[Caller]

Callers. You.

Some callers.

You turn into bad moods. Yeah, we know that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. But overall, I'm a very happy man.

[Caller]

But overall you're happy?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dude.

[Caller]

I. I think it's just a bad weekend. I'm not. I'm not looking. I only look at. They came into the series doing great. They swept the rules. So I don't know why they just all of a sudden came independently and they struggled. They did everything wrong and bad this and that. But also one thing I also want to talk about this Volpi hate. I don't understand. I actually think he's grown from last year to this year. He has more RVIs than he had last year. He. He, by the way, right now is fifth in the MLB in doubles, and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He'S got eight home runs.

[Caller]

I think there's good there with him. I don't. People, I think, want him as Bobby Witt Jr. But I don't think he's been as bad. I think he's grown from last year to this year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, there's an expectation, Griff that comes with being the shortstop of the Negro.

[Alan Hahn]

Hasn'T been great, it hasn't been crisp.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I think it's fair to say that we expected in his third year more than we've got. Yes, he's gotten better than last year, but considering how he was touted, how the Yankees didn't aggressively go after a free agent shortstop when knowing that they didn't want to land lock him, they wanted him to have that opportunity and he was Gold Glove winner and I don't think he's progressed as quickly as people would want him to. But I can understand you wanting to defend him. He's only in his third year. He's still a good ball player, a lot of doubles, you know, decent amount of home runs for a shortstop.

[Holly]

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[Holly]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Holly]

Oh, sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let'S go.

[Holly]

Let's get all into it, shall we?

[Alan Hahn]

What video game is, is from.

[Holly]

It's not a video game.

[Alan Hahn]

Does this sound like. But you, you know, this sounds like.

[Caller]

Good old NFL film soundtrack.

[Alan Hahn]

You, you know, though, like if you listen to it, it has this feel of like a, a Nintendo NFL, you know, NFL Blitz 93.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is this NFL Films or is this just the, the music they play under prime time in, in primetime? That is prime time music.

[Holly]

Yeah, that's what I think. It's the primetime music this is because you can hear Chris Berman's voice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, From Adam.

[Holly]

Golden Arches Archuleta. You know, you can hear it. All right, so let's get into the NFL's, if you will. Zach Wilson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who.

[Holly]

Where's he playing now?

[Alan Hahn]

He's still in the league.

[Holly]

He's still around, apparently.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Last I saw him was in Denver.

[Holly]

That's. That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

Is he still there? He's a Charger. No, he's a Ram.

[Holly]

He's a Bronco. Now here's Zach Wilson talking about how he was never told that he was late on throws previously.

[Zach Wilson]

Yeah, and it's crazy because I've never been, like, maybe told before at past places. Hey, you're late. You know, even with a strong arm, it's not like, hey, you're. You're late on this throw or whatever. But here, it's an entire step above. And again, for good reason. I mean, they. They want these balls out before our guys are getting to whatever their landmarks are, because we're throwing the space, and we have so much space speed that you're. You're anticipating. I gotta trust this receiver is gonna be there. And they do. They do a great job teaching it and helping us understand that that's how this offense is run. And so every single day, that's what I'm working on. The focus is to not care about much of the result, but just to every day. Is my mindset shifting to just playing with conviction and just letting it rip?

[Alan Hahn]

Is it fair to say that he wasn't late on throws with the jets? Because a lot of times he never saw the throw to make it? You know what I mean? Like, there was a lot of times where there were guys open and he just didn't see them. So how could you get late if you never got the throw off to begin with?

[Holly]

So how did he end up? What was his path to Miami? He's now in Miami. He's a Charger now. No, he's a Dolphin.

[Alan Hahn]

He's a Ram.

[Holly]

And here's head coach.

[Alan Hahn]

He is in Miami.

[Holly]

He's in Miami now. Yeah. Here's head coach Mike McDaniel on Zach Wilson.

[Mike McDaniel]

I'm gonna challenge the guy because at the quarterback position, you are supremely challenged every drive, every quarter. And he looks like a guy that has been through some and found his way through it because it does not make him worse. He learns from it. And that's realistically the best thing that's gone on this off season is I've seen a lot of people match those Types of energies, of supreme conviction in trying to be their very best. And you do that by boldly attacking stuff a lot of times that are uncomfortable.

[Holly]

So back in March, Zach signed a one year, $6 million deal to join Miami after a year in Denver where he didn't do anything.

[Alan Hahn]

Dolphins love Jet backups.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They do.

[Holly]

They do. They've had their share.

[Alan Hahn]

Mike White. Look, the kid has a good arm. It is true. A lot of his problems were processing and the ability to actually see players who were open. So is it worth putting time into him to see if you can develop into something? Absolutely.

[Holly]

Potentially, yeah. I mean, that's. That's what these things always are.

[Alan Hahn]

He can't get any bigger. And that's part of the problem with him. He can't. He's small. He's small.

[Holly]

Yeah. I never could tell with him how much was physical, how much was mental, how much was he didn't want to do the extra work. But listen, at this point, you're literally facing, hey, you'll have. You'll have some money in your pocket, but you will be known as a big NFL failure. This is it. You don't get a shot after this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I wouldn't think so.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Holly]

Now, what you can do here is make it work as a backup.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Holly]

Really play well. Maybe end up getting. I mean, listen, Miami, we know they're going to go through their back.

[Alan Hahn]

They're going to need him to probably play at some point this season. It's just the way it usually goes with Tua.

[Holly]

Let's go to another quarterback, Dak Prescott. Let's hear from Dak on how much he cares about winning a championship more so than a legacy of any sort.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I want to win a championship. The legacy, the things. Whatever comes after I finish playing will take care of itself. I want to win a championship be damned if it's just for my legacy or for. It's for this team, for my personal being, for my sanity. Yeah, the legacy will take care of itself. I have to stay where my feet are.

[Holly]

I mean, the championship and the legacy kind of go hand in hand.

[Alan Hahn]

I was just going to say, is he. Is he. Is he talking about the same thing and trying to make them different? Yeah, because winning a championship would create a legacy. Especially with the star on your helmet. Like that's what. That's literally what everybody wants. If he wins one, his legacy is stamped. Not in the NFL only, but as a Dallas Cowboy, which is always, as we know, forever. A big brand like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but it's been A question is this.

[Alan Hahn]

Since they've won, it has been. But when you look at their roster, do they look in the nfc, do they look like a team that could play for a championship? Do they resemble that at all?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they haven't for a long time. I mean, when was the last time that you can honestly say the Cowboys had the best team in football? Now they've had very good players.

[Alan Hahn]

Wasn't it a couple of years ago?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

Really good. 13 wins in back to back seasons, if I'm not mistaken. Like they were a really good team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Never.

[Alan Hahn]

Then Dak got hurt. Oh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like, who's. Let me ask you a question based on what you've seen.

[Holly]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who's a better quarterback, Tony Romo or Dak Prescott?

[Holly]

I guess Romo slightly. It's close.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's close. Very close. But the fact is, is that those teams. Romo didn't win either.

[Holly]

Romo felt more dynamic to me because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think they were more consistently good.

[Holly]

Under Romo, but they didn't win. And so all he ended up getting to be, sadly, was just the number one color commentator in the sport.

[Alan Hahn]

Pretty good.

[Holly]

But they worked out all right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Anything since Aikman? Like, they've had a lot of talented players, the coaches.

[Holly]

Have they won more than one playoff game?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, not more than one in this season.

[Alan Hahn]

No. No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think they've only won like two or three in the last.

[Alan Hahn]

Dax won one. Dax got one.

[Holly]

One playoff win.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. But. But they, they have had great defenses and offense has been a struggle and they feel, they do seem like that their defense once again should be pretty stout. They're going to be loaded offensively, short term. But their offensive line got old fast and now that's. That's the hardest thing to build and rebuild.

[Holly]

It's interesting, man. If the Giants. If the Giants go up a level, the NFC east could really be on the precipice of being a pretty damn good division. If the Giants defense is what people think it could be.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Holly]

And so they just elevate a notch or two.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Holly]

And Washington stays close to where they were and Philadelphia just continues to Philadelphia.

[Alan Hahn]

It could be a really.

[Holly]

It could be the division.

[Alan Hahn]

Could be a tough division. If the Giants could be the annoying team. Right. Where you know, they're not quite good enough, but they're tough and their defense is really good. And then their offense is efficient enough where you're just. You're in games with them, they'll steal a win or two and they become A very difficult team to deal with. Yeah. That division does become one of the tougher ones in football. Not even just the NFC.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Three straight years, the Cowboys were 12 and five.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Two division titles in that span. One wild card, one playoff.

[Alan Hahn]

That was McCarthy, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Holly]

Well, for the first time in several months, sounds like there's some optimism in Cincinnati around Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals. They've resumed communication. According to Jeremy Fowler. He's coming off being the sack leader with 17 and a half sacks. I always find it interesting, like, and guys, you can chalk this up into, like, I'm outside the sport, so what do I really know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Holly]

It's always funny to me when you have defensive players who are able to, like, wield this power and have these crazy negotiations on a team that cannot stop anyone. I get it. You're a dominant defender. That team is terrible.

[Alan Hahn]

He's also 30. They don't want to pay. You know what I mean? Like, they just don't pay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think we really fully understand because they've kind of been in the mix for a while. They. They are by far the lowest revenue franchise in the NFL. They're 32. It's not Jacksonville. It's Cincinnati.

[Alan Hahn]

Cincinnati is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They don't make. They. It's a small market. I know what that. Well, they got what they got. The Red.

[Alan Hahn]

Isn't New Orleans the smallest market?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Whatever it is, they don't. They don't generate. I mean, obviously, they've got a lot of money because they're in the NFL and they share the revenue.

[Holly]

I feel like the Saints are a bigger deal, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Check it out. I think of the franchises that are worth the least, I think Cincinnati's 32. Probably look that up. And their owner doesn't spend a lot of money. That's why every time they've got somebody good, it's a big deal. Are they going to be able to keep them?

[Holly]

Well, good news for those of you who are aware that Kansas City, the Kansas City Chiefs played in Missouri. They'll be staying in Missouri. And shout out to everyone who's listening, going, I always thought it was Kansas. No, it looks like now the governor, Mike Kehoe, has signed a legislative package approved by Missouri lawmakers that includes hundreds of millions of dollars and financial aid to persuade the Chiefs and Royals to remain in Missouri.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Were they legitimately going to.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, this is. You know, it's all leverage play. Right.

[Holly]

The Chiefs and Royals play at Truman Sports Complex. It's on the east side of Kansas City where Arrowhead is. And that of course is in Jackson County, Missouri.

[Alan Hahn]

Were you ever, when you first saw this story, were you ever like, oh wow, the Chiefs could move?

[Holly]

No, I, I legitimately always forget whether they're in Missouri or Kansas. Oh, oh, well, no, legitimately forget that.

[Alan Hahn]

Really?

[Holly]

Yeah. Well why is that. That, that crazy at this point. Really?

[Alan Hahn]

A little bit, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Even the average 45 year old father.

[Holly]

You think the average person remembers that they're in Kansas City, Missouri and not Kansas. It's the same, it's the same city. We're talking about a difference of miles. I mean it's literally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I understand the entire state of Kansas.

[Holly]

Roots for the Chiefs like they are the team for Kansas.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just think, you know, no here.

[Holly]

To tell you I didn't. I mean like I did, but I didn't care.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Well, that's a completely different animal, isn't it? Arkansas pitcher just threw a no hitter.

[Alan Hahn]

No hitter. 100. What is that? 117 pitches. Yeah, and they had a controversial call where he hit the first batter. So Arkansas just took out Murray State Elimination Game 3. Nothing.

[Holly]

Yes, I hit my parlay but Gabe.

[Alan Hahn]

Gage I think is his name was the pitcher he was throwing gas was 97.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know. So he wasn't losing anything at all.

[Alan Hahn]

But yeah, he was up upwards of 1. 117, 118 pitches, whatever it was. But he did. It looked like he hit the, the kid's elbow the leadoff batter in the ninth. But then they, they reversed the call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Marcus, you didn't get out of the way.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Maybe like he, he dipped the elbow in or something. I, I couldn't obviously sound on no.

[Holly]

One looks more like someone I would hate in college more than a college baseball player.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You were, you were close with the Saints. Saints are ranked 2 28. They're worth 4.4 billion.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the smallest market by size, right?

[Holly]

Cincinnati.

[Alan Hahn]

New Orleans is one of the smallest markets in the country.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But don't go by market because get this.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, their population changes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

These are the, the bottom five in the NFL as far as revenue value.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, value. Okay, let's go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

New Orleans 4.4. 28. Cardinals 4.329. Wow. Bills 4.2 30.

[Holly]

How's that possible?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Lions 4.131. Cincinnati also 4.1 32.

[Holly]

That's just, that's Detroit. It's all based on the money that exists in those cities. That's just based on. There's not enough money for people to spend in those cities. It has to be. And it doesn't make sense otherwise because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There'S some popular teams and they have the lines of the lowest operating income come $56 million. Packers are second to last with 60 million.

[Holly]

Well you brought up the New Orleans Saints do it Friday. They signed running back Cam Akers to a one year deal. So he'll join Alvin Kamara and Clyde Edwards Hilaire in the backfield in New Orleans. And lastly guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Holly]

The Indianapolis Colts will induct former owner Jim Irsay.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Holly]

Into the ring of honor. Have have you guys ever seen someone the power of the rich and mighty. He had a moment where his reputation was so bad and it literally to say it's a footnote. I feel like I'm the only person I've heard mentioned. I thought that there were a lot of problems there over the last minute. Not that he shouldn't be honored.

[Alan Hahn]

He had a lot of.

[Holly]

I'm just surprised at how much it was like.

[Alan Hahn]

But, but a lot of people who played for him loved him.

[Holly]

So is that what it is?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. He had issues.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think it wasn't but I never heard any former cult speak ill of him.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And what he had, he had a drug problem. And I think right now and it's probably.

[Holly]

I know but I think athletes that are drug problem they get, they get to live with the drug problem till the day they die.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well because the player's drug problem might have affected the team and did they win affected his career. But it's age better right. Back when I was growing up if you had a drug problem, you were a piece of garbage. Now you have a drug problem and it's more considered a disease and you feel bad for him more so than just attacking.

[Holly]

He must just be quite beloved by the, by the players and the community. I suppose. So Congratulations to the Ursay family. His kids will go on to continue to run the team and he will go to the ring of honor which I guess is not surprising when your children are the ones running the team that will do it for your NFL, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Also I have a question for Peter and Alan.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And more your calls. A 1-800-919-3776. Don Hanna Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

[Holly]

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[Holly]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don La Greca]

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[Holly]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's about a few months ago, Jake, we did it for social media. Jake Montgomery does a great job here at ESPN New York where they would drop these sticks. You have to catch them.

[Holly]

What happened to that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know what happened.

[Holly]

They never posted.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They did.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, they did. They posted it.

[Holly]

So John, why didn't anyone ever include me in that? Because I would have.

[Alan Hahn]

You were in it.

[Holly]

But I would have wanted to repost that. I looked great in there.

[Alan Hahn]

You were in it.

[Holly]

You saw it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So the idea is to catch as many of.

[Alan Hahn]

I guess there's like six I'm sending to you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They get adopted.

[Holly]

Show me that.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll go find it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, John Boy from John Boy Media does a tremendous job breaking down baseball and other sports too. I've been trying to get him to hire me to do some hockey stuff.

[Holly]

Put it right out there.

[Alan Hahn]

I like it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, sorry.

[Alan Hahn]

What?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't make me feel bad for why would you always say I gotta advocate?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm advocating nothing to feel better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He said he because they just posted video. You can find on John Boy Media of that he now has the new office record. He's smacking them as they go down. Well, anybody could do that. You're gonna go six for six.

[Alan Hahn]

Just smacking them like karate chops.

[Holly]

Well, is smacking. Well, it depends. Let me see what the smack looks like, though, because. Is it.

[Alan Hahn]

Is he smacking it?

[Holly]

Yeah, like, how's he. How's he doing? I could see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me.

[Holly]

Sir, I'm watching that. Hold on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You drop him and he just smacks it away.

[Alan Hahn]

You're calling fraud on this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Isn't the idea to catch it?

[Holly]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No smacking it doesn't show anything.

[Holly]

Is that. Is it a joke?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hope it's a joke.

[Holly]

Maybe there. Maybe it's a goof.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's a joke.

[Holly]

I think it's a goof.

[Alan Hahn]

You think he's just messing around?

[Holly]

I think it's a goof. What's the caption there?

[Alan Hahn]

Quick hands.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The caption is New office record.

[Holly]

Yeah, I would think. I think it has to be a goof, because the harder part, I believe now, Rick DiPietro caught them all with one hand without dropping it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's a goaltender. He's got to have the quick twitch. No, but notice not that.

[Holly]

But his hand was also big enough to hold each one as it fell.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Know what they say about people with big hands, big gloves. That's right.

[Holly]

Today's, of course, 31 years since the craziest day in the history of sports saw a little O.J. doc going 31.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

1994, game five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And ESPN did a great 30 for 30. I think. I think it's actually just. Is. Is it called June? Like, June. June 15, 1994.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of all the things that went on in sports.

[Alan Hahn]

Think about that day. You had the US Open. Something crazy. There was like there was. There was something in baseball when there.

[Holly]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Junior was. Ken Griffey Jr. Was trying to do something. I forget what it was. They were in Kansas City. The Mariners were in Kansas City. So there's a baseball thing. I'm so. I'm sure somebody on social media will tell me what it was surrounding Ken Griffey Jr. The golf, as you said, because I think they had.

[Alan Hahn]

Was it Mickelson doing something?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was it a. Was it a playoff on a Monday? Because it was a Monday, I believe.

[Alan Hahn]

I have not watched that in a long time because that's not an easy watch for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I believe it was a Monday.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it was the weekend the chase wasn't. I believe it was because it was it all starts with the Ranger parade. Rangers win the Stanley Cup. They're at the parade and they just following all the things. Mariners have a day game in Kansas City. There's something that Ken Griffey.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Trying to home ring consecutive games. Something like that.

[Alan Hahn]

It's this June 17th. That's the DOC.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Because the parade was the 17th, that all that stuff was the 17th. The 15th is when it all started, I believe. Isn't that right? Like the 17th is when he went in the white Bronco.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

The 15th is, I think, when it. The first indication of wrongdoing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just an interesting doc.

[Holly]

I'm busy watching the reel that Alan just sent me of us drop catching the things. What is that? What is the drill called?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Alan Hahn]

Who cares?

[Holly]

Grab the torpedo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Damn the torpedo.

[Holly]

I felt so good about what I did and. And then I watched it. Were they like doing it wrong? This like watching the collection of everyone here doing it. It all looked so easy for everyone. Dave's. It's like they fell straight into his hand. Every single one. He didn't even move. Now, the unfortunate person on this was actually Dan Grasse.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nothing.

[Holly]

Not nothing, but not great. Crosser went last, and it was an unfortunate roundup. Don, you did very, very.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're not hired for our ability to be athletes. We just. We diagnose.

[Holly]

But whenever you think you did something good athletically and then you see Dave Rothenberg do it, you immediately feel bad about yourself. I almost want minus points.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For me, we were talking about lies. A couple of people have lies, Joe.

[Holly]

You mean family lies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What did you have about your parents lying to you?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[I]

Hey, boys. So my parents took me on a lovely trip to Europe when I was about 10 years old. And one of our stops was to Paris, France. So we lined up to go onto the Eiffel Tower. And being an ambitious young kid, I wanted to go to the top. But my parents told me, unfortunately the top was closed. It was too windy and too dangerous. They weren't letting anyone up there. So flash forward 25 years of me telling everyone that I visited the Eiffel Tower but could not go to the top, where I took my wife to Paris. Speaking with the lovely agent at the bottom, I asked her, hey, just want to make sure the top is actually open. I want to get up there with my wife. And she said to me, well, we've rarely ever closed the top. It had to be the worst of conditions for that to even be possible. So guess who I called from the top of the eiffel Tower on FaceTime. Father finally confessed. No, no, no. We lied to you. Sorry. We were scared of the heights. We couldn't take you.

[Holly]

Scared of the heights and the Eiffel Tower and that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that lie lived for 25 years.

[Alan Hahn]

Why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because you believe everything your parents tell you. Why would you think you're being lied to? Me, Joe?

[Alan Hahn]

But he was so determined.

[Peter Rosenberg]

25 years.

[I]

25 years it took me to figure it out.

[Holly]

But by the way, I just want to say though your parents are normal. That lie is one parents have been doing for generations. It's a white lie because they don't. You don't want to do something. Hey, honey, you wanted to. The amusement parks closed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Closed.

[Holly]

Yeah, every parent does that. Because otherwise the kid's gonna cry and beg all night. There's really no victim here. But victimless lie, not the same thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but. But it. But it does show you how a lie can live. Because he never questioned it.

[Holly]

Why would you though? It's a relevant part of your life. Well, your dad. Your dad being drafted by a major league team is a big deal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sure it started out as harmless. Tom, in Eastchester, you're on ESPN New York, what do you got?

[Caller]

So when I was seven. So when I turned seven in the summer of 1999, and I am a fanatical Mets fan at seven years old, right? First met playoff team of my lifetime. So I'm watching every single day with my dad. And when it was my birthday, I got a birthday card, an actual birthday card with the Mets logo on it. And inside there was a note, you know, a happy birthday note. And it was signed by all the Mets. Piazza, Franco, Ventura, Alfonso. All my guys. And then as I got older, I realized that all the Mets had the same handwriting as my father.

[Holly]

See, this is troubling.

[Alan Hahn]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So how long did you live with the lie, Tom?

[Caller]

I probably noticed when I was 10. Because the card is still. It's still to this day, in my room, in my parents house. It's never been thrown out.

[Alan Hahn]

Of course it is.

[Caller]

I probably noticed when I was so three or four years, give or take.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, did he ever say, I got all the Mets to sign this for you. He just gave you the card and let you assume that they signed?

[Caller]

He let me assume that it was signed by.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a nice way around it. He never actually told you and then you figured it out yourself. But.

[Caller]

And then when I figured it out, we all had a good laugh. I actually ran into Mike Piazza on the street, like, three weeks ago. I should have told him. He signed my card for me when I was seven.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's a pretty good icebreaker, man. That's a pretty good story. So, harmless lies.

[Holly]

Here's one Ken wrote us and said my friend's DE had a replica big gold wrestling title hanging in his garage. We asked him how he got it, and he told us he beat the Undertaker for it. I was seven and believed it for way longer than I should have. But again, these ones are more harmless. Once the kid got to be like Don to make it to this level, the major leagues, by the time you're like, 13, everyone's like, hey, you're a serious ball player. This kid's playing serious ball. 14, 15. Really serious. We're starting to think that he could do it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Holly]

At some point. Hey, just so you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I don't know, maybe he was. He was in prison. I don't know. I'm trying to find something that makes him less evil, by the way, not evil.

[Holly]

I don't want to say evil. I said crazy, not evil.

[Alan Hahn]

Just quick Update. So the June 17 thing, this is all the stuff that happened on the same day. Arnold Palmer playing in his last US Open FIFA World cup, by the way. Rangers parade, of course. The Rockets, Knicks at The Garden, Game 5. And Ken Griffey was tied Babe Ruth's record for most home runs before June 30th. There was a lot happening that day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

1,800-919376.

[Holly]

Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley got married the same day.

[Alan Hahn]

What?

[Holly]

That's what it said. I just saw that.

[Alan Hahn]

What a day.

[Holly]

June 1794.

[Alan Hahn]

What a day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What a day.

[Don La Greca]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Don La Greca]

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