Hour 2: Peter's QB Tables

Summary

Podcast Title: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
Episode: Hour 2: Peter's QB Tables
Release Date: August 13, 2025
Hosts: Don Hahn (ESPN New York), Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

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Introduction

In the second hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, the hosts delve into a heated debate surrounding their rankings of NFL quarterbacks. The discussion is sparked by a caller who introduces his own quarterback tables, challenging the hosts' perspectives and shaking up the conversation with bold assertions.

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Quarterback Rankings Debate

Table 1: The Elite Quarterbacks

The focal point of the episode is the establishment and contention of "Table 1," which features quarterbacks deemed capable of single-handedly winning games. The caller presents his version of Table 1, listing Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and Lamar Jackson as the top four, with a notable exception.

Caller:

"[...] with one exception, every one of these guys can go out on his own and essentially win a game."
[00:27:57]

Don Hahn:

"You can't put Jaden Daniels on the top list. You can't do it."
[00:28:22]

The inclusion of Jaden Daniels and Jalen Hurts in Table 1 ignites a strong reaction from Don Hahn, who questions their placement based on consistency and performance metrics.

Don Hahn:

"I'm out. I can't be out."
[00:28:40]

Debating Jalen Hurts and Jaden Daniels

Don Hahn challenges the caller's decision to place Jalen Hurts alongside established stars like Mahomes and Allen, arguing that Hurts hasn't consistently demonstrated elite quarterback performance.

Don Hahn:

"He's not an elite quarterback. Well, no list has him in the top five."
[00:29:20]

The caller defends his stance by highlighting Hurts' achievements, including a Super Bowl MVP and significant contributions to his team's success, while also acknowledging the talent of Jaden Daniels.

Caller:

"Jaden Daniels has the ability to win every single game he plays, no matter who is on the field with him."
[00:30:21]

Don Hahn:

"At least admit he'd be the..."
[00:30:38]

The back-and-forth continues as Don Hahn emphasizes the importance of statistical performance and consistency, while the caller prioritizes game-winning capabilities and team impact.

Tables 2 and 3: Rising and Established Talents

The conversation shifts to Tables 2 and 3, where emerging quarterbacks like Justin Herbert and Dak Prescott are discussed alongside veterans like Matthew Stafford and Aaron Rodgers. The caller argues for the inclusion of newer talents based on recent performances and potential growth.

Caller:

"Baker Mayfield's 41 touchdowns or whatever the hell the number is. It's insane."
[00:32:52]

Don Hahn counters by underscoring the need for sustained excellence and questioning the long-term viability of these quarterbacks in securing their positions.

Don Hahn:

"They are not going anywhere unless this situation gets resolved."
[00:03:14]

The debate highlights differing philosophies on quarterback evaluation—whether to prioritize current performance metrics or potential and leadership qualities.

Controversial Opinions and Host Reactions

Don Hahn's frustration becomes palpable as he grapples with defending his rankings against the caller's passionate arguments. The discussion underscores the subjective nature of sports rankings and the challenges in reconciling different evaluation criteria.

Don Hahn:

"Chris Russo meant every word that he said."
[00:19:42]

Caller:

"I love what you did with the list."
[00:36:10]

Wrapping Up the Rankings

As the episode progresses, the hosts and callers continue to dissect each quarterback's merits and shortcomings. The dynamic exchange offers listeners a comprehensive look into the complexities of sports analysis and the fervent opinions that drive passionate debates.

Don Hahn:

"I think Rogers deserves, I think you're probably right."
[00:37:12]

Caller:

"But Jalen Hurts is getting bonus points for being Super Bowl MVP and having that team where they are."
[00:48:43]

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Conclusion

The second hour of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" showcases an intense and engaging discussion on NFL quarterback rankings. Through spirited dialogue and differing viewpoints, the episode offers listeners an in-depth exploration of what makes a quarterback elite, balancing statistical performance with leadership and game-winning abilities. The passionate exchanges between hosts and callers underscore the subjective nature of sports discussions, making for a compelling and thought-provoking listen.

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Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn:

  "You can't put Jaden Daniels on the top list. You can't do it."
  [00:28:22]

• Caller:

  "Jaden Daniels has the ability to win every single game he plays, no matter who is on the field with him."
  [00:30:21]

• Don Hahn:

  "He's not an elite quarterback. Well, no list has him in the top five."
  [00:29:20]

• Caller:

  "Jalen Hurts is getting bonus points for being Super Bowl MVP and having that team where they are."
  [00:48:43]

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This episode provides a nuanced perspective on quarterback evaluations, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking diverse opinions and in-depth analysis.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

Are you feeling more fulfilled now that you're back to work this Friday?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I need a vacation.

[Don Hahn]

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[Caller]

You're right about that.

They're coming after our family.

Go fix this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh my.

[Caller]

Nobody 2, rated R only in theaters Friday.

[Podcast Announcer]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Podcast Announcer]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Don Hahn]

So what do you think? Would this be yacht rock to you? If you heard it on yacht rock, would you be like, what's this on it? We share a face, loving and tv.

[Caller]

No, I, I, to me, this violates it. Yes, it could. So this is weird. This song could exist on an album by someone who's considered yacht rock, but to me, this wouldn't be a core part of the genre because the, the guitars on it, the acoustic y feel of it doesn't feel soulful. It feels like a rock ballad. It doesn't feel like a soulful ballad. That makes sense. Yes. For me.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. But I, I think we're putting way more thought into what most yacht rock people do. Like if you're programming the yacht rock station on Sirius, I don't think they're putting as much thought into that as we are right now on it.

[Caller]

They might not. They might even have an algorithm that's just like this is, this is what hits and this is what we put in, probably.

[Don Hahn]

Game time is brought to you by Televardu Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time.

[Caller]

All right, all right, all right, all right. Standard iron. Like when he holds it.

[Don Hahn]

The Mets continue their series with the Braves with coverage immediately following us on 880 at 6:30. And the Yankees finish up their series with the Twins at 7:05 and the Liberty visit the Aces at 9:30. Tullamore due the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast mature Iris whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemore do or try the new Tullamore Do. Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore do responsibly. Lucky Lou is reminding us of hock to a. I am not going to sit here and defend everything the Mets have ever done. I had a rant back at the beginning of this radio station killing the Mets for the Joe Pig Nitano tomato patch in the bullpen. And they had a mascot in the mid-70s called metal the Donkey. Metal Donkey. And I ripped them because I said, so what you're saying is that your. Your mascot is a jackass. Believe me, the Mets have made a lot of mistakes, for sure. But you know, I honestly. Do you think the judge's chambers was very Yankee?

[Caller]

Like a couple of years ago, I was not a friend, a fan, I should say.

[Don Hahn]

So listen, everybody's got their stuff they have to deal with. But again, if you're a Yankee fan and you don't you hate the Mets, then what do you care? Does it make you better that you're corporate? I wish the Mets were a lot more like the Yankees in the sense that sometimes I think a lot of the things that they do are a little corny. But at the end of the day, just playing baseball, I go through with hockey all the time. Like when I was the Ranger announcer, Rangers, original six and all. But I'm going to places like Carolina where they've got cheerleaders in the stands. And I'm like, really? But you got to do certain things when you're trying to. In a non traditional hockey market. The Mets were coming in, you know, going up against the Yankees and there were an expansion team and they kind of. They let some. Some things happen and they made their shit mistakes. Sure.

[Caller]

I got to see the 30 for 30 on hawk to a girl.

[Don Hahn]

There's a 30 for 30 on hawk. 2 of girls.

[Caller]

No, not literally.

[Don Hahn]

Well, but you know what? We're in a state right now where it's 100% believable.

[Caller]

It's on the table. But. But I just to think about that last season, that was a thing. And that because of whatever happened with her and crypto stuff, she has disappeared from the face of the planet. It's bizarre.

[Don Hahn]

It is bizarre.

[Caller]

Like, I've never seen this.

[Don Hahn]

Probably unfair because I don't think she had any intention of scamming people, but I probably got scammed herself.

[Caller]

But I can't believe that that's actually a thing that has happened. Like, it's just. It's crazy.

[Don Hahn]

Jimmy brings up a good point. You're on espn. What's up, Jimmy?

[Caller]

Hey, what's up, fellas?

[Don Hahn]

What's up, man?

[Caller]

So listen, I'm a Mets fan. Everybody needs to just like, just relax. Mad Dog Russo, take it. Take his annex. Relax.

[Don Hahn]

He's more likely to take a gummy.

[Caller]

Whatever he needs to do.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Caller]

But you know, it's a fun thing. It's. It's an historic thing. Like, just like you said, Don, players don't stick around. 254 is not a lot. 253, whatever. But players don't stick around. Listen, if Pete was gone last year, he wouldn't even have this. But you know, players come and go. So this guy's going to be around and he was around to break a record that you know a guy it would have been, he would even have broken it if Darryl stayed here, if Darryl never went to L. A. But let me just, let me just. Yankee fans, please don't call about the Mets, about being quirky or whatever because like, listen, all I could think of is John Sterling sitting in his house every off season trying to come up with a catchy, corny, rhyming home run call for every scrub Yankee that's going to be on their team.

[Don Hahn]

Great point.

[Caller]

I got.

[Don Hahn]

Great point.

[Caller]

I mean this is what he does every offseason. I don't even know how many years.

We love it.

[Don Hahn]

And Jimmy, we love it. Yankee fans love it. But you know what, that's very Met esque to have your announcer who should be in the hall of Fame, by the way, you know, saying Yankees win and the different names for the home run, like that's, that's corny to a lot of people. Right?

[Caller]

Although I always told you I thought it was odd that it was the Yankee thing. I was, I always thought Yankee fans loved it. Very small market, you can't say anything.

[Don Hahn]

Bad about John Sterling and nor should you the Yankee fans. But like there's always the little quote working. It's baseball you got to get through, you know, and get people entertained. But you remember we used to have bat day and helmet day, cutlet and hat day. And now you've got, you know, an Austin Wells football jersey night, beef tongue, you know, it's all anything to kind of just get people excited. Everybody's doing it. Let's go back to the phones. Let's talk to Adam in California. You're on espn New York, what's that?

[Caller]

Adam, Donnie Plucks and Peter the Reasonburg. How we doing today?

How you doing buddy? How are you?

Good, man. So I wasn't going to call in today, but we got Don shot right out of a cannon and I absolutely love it. So I want to agree with him 1,000%. And I want to put, as you know, I'm a Yankee fan, I want to put other Yankee fans on notice as far as what the Mets accomplish. Pete Alonso's home run record breaking kudos to him. We need to shut the hell up because I have the perfect analogy for you too. I just got a puppy a few weeks ago. And every single time he's chewing on a toy, my older dog comes and takes it away from him. That's the Yankee fans crapping all over the Mets fans. Not letting them have anything nice. And it just makes us look so petty and like, arrogant. You go to YouTube, type in the Yankees and you'll see a thousand videos of different records being broken, both franchise and league wide. So why do we have to like, like just crap all over any sort of significant thing? Let the Mets have their things.

[Don Hahn]

And Adam, I'm all for hating. Like, just like I met fans hating Yankee fans. Like, I'm all for the hate. But what I don't get is the whole, the whole that you don't matter. You have no fans, nobody care. Like, like, just keep it real. So you know, I don't like the Mets. I'm a Yankee fan. I like the Mets. I'm a Met fan, I like the Yankees. But then you start getting into this kind of like, it just, it's stupid. Now you want to really get into the baseball of it all. Mets win the game against the Braves. Thirteen, right. Couple of home runs for Alonzo Alvarez. Hits a big home run. But we were the only guy that.

[Caller]

Got it right was Jacob.

[Don Hahn]

Holmes. Couldn't get through the fourth inning. This is not sustainable, people. It's not sustainable. Unless the Mets are going to go out there and score 13 runs, they're going to lose. More times than not if you're starting pitchers getting taken out in the third or fourth inning, it's bad enough they can't go six, but now when you've got pitchers that can't, you'll throw into the fourth, fifth inning. It's, it's a disaster. Mets, Mets are not going anywhere unless this situation gets resolved. Now Montas has been taken out of the rotation. It looks like they're going to bring one of the kids up, McLean, maybe they're going to bring up Sproat and maybe that'll, that'll change McClain. I'm sorry. They announced him officially and he's going to get start in the. Not, I guess the next series Saturday, this next series that's coming up. So you're already going to get a chance to see one of the younger kids. We talked about that yesterday. Maybe that'll change it. But it's not sustainable to have these pitchers not last. They're not going to catch the Phillies. They're, they're, they're not going to hold on to. Maybe they'll hold on to a playoff spot. Cause I just don't think the Reds are any good, or good enough, I should say, to beat the Mets. But they're not making any kind of a run with the pitching staff the way it is right now. So if you're a Yankee fan, you want to kill the Mets, kill them for the fact that they can't get any pitchers to go deep and see if McLain can get the job done on Saturday after Montage taken out of the rotation. And they're going to have to bring up Sprout or Sprout, because the fact. I don't know if you can keep sending Homes out there anymore. Get him to the bullpen. That's where he's going to go in the playoffs anyway. Let's go to conceded. He's in West Philly. You're on ESPN. New York. What's up, buddy?

[Caller]

Oh, Mr. McGregor, my guy. What's up with you? Listen, first of all, we not going to jinx my Phillies. The Mets won't win the division. I bet on them to win the division before the season started anyway, so I need that. But Phillies can't hit, bro. Like, pitching is okay. I mean, pitching is nice, really, but.

[Don Hahn]

And the bullpen, but they're better narrow, though. No, that's what I'm saying. You did well at the deadline, improving the bullpen for sure.

[Caller]

Yeah, but they. They needed him. Like they should have. They should have tried to get some. They should have tried to get Suarez, really. But listen, did you ever watch Narcos, like I told you? You ever got a chance to watch it?

[Don Hahn]

I have not watched it yet.

[Caller]

I'm a bad guy, I'm telling you. Listen, you're. I got a question for you, too. No, you're a Breaking Bad thing. Better call Sauce in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Caller]

That's the biggest for sure.

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

He's obsessed.

[Caller]

Listen, I was. I was saying Breaking Bad, I would say before I saw Narcos, Breaking Bad was number one, period to me. Like most people see the Wire and all that. But no, listen, I'm telling you, Narcos is better. The only thing is, it's subted. Most of it is subtitled. But let me ask you a question. I'm not sure if you can answer it. I think you can answer it, but I'm not sure if you're scared to answer it. Oh, okay, okay, listen, listen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, here we go.

[Caller]

I mean, you can answer this, too, Peter. Like, I used to be a big fan, but. But listen, which. Which is more annoying, DPA True or Mark Melusis?

I'M so confused about so much.

All right, listen, I'm gonna say it. Well, Never mind. And Mr. Dom, Mr. Lagrega, I'm gonna ask you again, which is more annoying. DTHROs like, Listen, I can ask Rick, right? I could call in and be like, rick, Rick, did you go to the store today? He'd be like, yeah, I went to the store today. But Mark Melusa would be like, yeah, the Phillies played a mess tonight. And the Knicks are playing the Hornets tonight, the Laker. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. Which one is more.

[Don Hahn]

But I. I honest never.

[Caller]

You never noticed? You never noticed that?

[Don Hahn]

I honestly didn't. I'm not, I'm not.

[Caller]

I'm not. I'm noticing now.

Which.

[Don Hahn]

Which I will.

[Caller]

I will pay attention and I will. You're no longer a fan of mine. What's up?

[Don Hahn]

What happened with Pete?

[Caller]

Oh, yeah, no, listen, listen, honestly, I mean, it's more of a personal thing, but I think you're a little tone deaf also. But it is cool. I mean, listen, it's not really a big deal. It's just when. When I. When I've been listening to this show forever for 10 years, basically. So when I first called in, it was two years ago. WrestleMania Philadelphia.

I remember you.

I told you, I'm telling you, we really bet on something. But I wasn't. It was.09, so I wasn't really worried about it. So you, like, you look, I got you. I'm gonna give you some WrestleMania tickets. Come see a show. And I'm like, yo, I could have gotten to that show for free. Cause I was in there at the end eventually. And I'm one of them dudes like, you want me to be around? Like, I'm him business. You feel me? I'm him downstairs. Like, I'm really one dudes you want. You want me to be around and.

But I put you on the list for my show. I did do it.

You didn't put me on the list. That's the point. If you would have put me on the list, I would have been cool with it. But I still got in there for free. They went down the list. I'm telling you. They went down the list. My name was not on there. And they still let me go in there because I'm him. Like, trying to tell you. No, I'm telling you. So when I hear you say stuff like, yeah, you know, when I. When we grew up, we didn't have a lot of money. We just go to My summer house, you know, on. On the lake and all that. And just chill out for a couple days. Get on, Mom. I'm like, damn.

[Don Hahn]

Really?

[Caller]

Cuz, like, people really be going through things. I'm just a pretty boy, so, like, I got females and all that. But at the same time, like, I don't know, people don't be wanting to hear that.

I'm gonna. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do something right now. And I've never been more excited to do it in my life.

[Don Hahn]

What is that? It's gonna take me a second. Okay, I'm on my way there. Do it.

[Caller]

I lost it already. I don't know why it's not up there. It is.

[Don Hahn]

Found it.

[Caller]

Found it.

[Don Hahn]

Wow, you're playing them all.

[Caller]

This is the problem. This is the problem. And this is. You just said this earlier about mad dog. You're giving a criticism about me. And in that criticism, as he's explaining it, he says, you say, you know, growing up, I didn't have all that much. Have never said that in my life. Then I say, yeah, you know, we spent summers at my lake house. Well, that's impossible because didn't exist. So. Neither thing that you said. I, a, have never said I didn't have anything. And I b, didn't have a summer house.

[Don Hahn]

And honestly, I never pay attention to the ohms. I've been listening to Rick forever. He's been at the station since 14.

[Caller]

Never noticed the UMS on Rick DiPietro.

[Don Hahn]

I've listened to Melusas for 20 years. I've never. I'm sure they do it. Everybody does it. I just never noticed it.

[Caller]

That was a. I. He has such a strong Philly accent that it makes it an interesting call to listen to. But then as he's going on, I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? I've ever. Don. Have I ever said, you know, I didn't have very much growing up?

[Don Hahn]

Never did. Matter of fact, the opposite. You've had to defend having. Maybe too much.

[Caller]

Exactly. No, I've had to defend. Because Michael was so big.

[Don Hahn]

Slums of Chevy Chase, right?

[Caller]

Cause Michael was so big on making it sound like, you know, I grew up rich, that I've had to, like, bring it back a peg. But I've never once said I wanted for anything in my life.

[Don Hahn]

No. No lake house.

[Caller]

No lake house. I mean, as I. As I've become an adult, I have some places I like to spend some time during.

[Don Hahn]

You shouldn't have to apologize.

[Caller]

I work very hard for that, your ace.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Mel. He's in New Jersey. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Mel?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good afternoon, fellas. No, I'm just kidding. But so what is the most deadliest beer out there guy?

[Don Hahn]

The most deadliest bear?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I don't get the most kills.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know that I would assume a grizzly.

[Caller]

Who am I, Dwight Schrute? I don't know the answer.

[Don Hahn]

What is the answer?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I will enlighten you because I guess, you know, on a tick tock, oh.

[Caller]

I bet I know where you're gonna go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, the polar bear the most. With that being said, I appreciate, you know, the imagery for a casual baseball fan like me.

[Caller]

There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, that was made in that call, you know, because now, like we're 253 isn't a lot, but he actually did it. He actually broke the record. It wasn't easy, you know, it was years of dedication and years of, you know, persistence, but he did it. And you know, like, like I said, the other great Mets, that casual, you know, the casuals know now they're brought in up. But yeah, he is that polar bear on top of the iceberg all along.

[Don Hahn]

All right, well, you know what I got. I gotta say, the last two calls have been very interesting.

[Caller]

I'm enjoying what's going on here.

[Don Hahn]

So let's see if we can keep the streak going. Renee and the Poconos, you're on ESPN New York. What do you got, Renee?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, guys.

[Caller]

How you doing?

Good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I agree with what you said about Mad Dog.

[Caller]

The caller who said something about the Yankee announcer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But of my biggest. Well, listen, I watched the game last night and yeah, I thought iceberg was a little over the top. But he said, Gary said, I couldn't believe it. He said for the blue and orange. That annoyed me to no end. That's a Wil Ponds thing.

[Caller]

When the Wilpah's own the team, that was a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was a thing that people were saying.

[Caller]

The blue and orange.

The blue and orange.

Forget that. Forget that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, it's always orange and blue.

[Caller]

That line drove me nuts.

More so than the iceberg line. Your thoughts?

[Don Hahn]

I didn't think about that because like blue and orange, it's the Mets colors. And I've as a Met fan growing up, even before the Will Ponds, when Doubleday owned the team, I. And even before that with Joan Payson, I. It's blue and orange. Blue and orange is also the colors of New York. I did not connect that to the Wilpons. I didn't. If I'm. If I'm wrong for it, then I'm wrong for it. But that never, I never connected that. Let's go to Dave in the car. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Dave?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, how you doing, Don? I had one point, but now I'm going to go to two points. Let me, because I had a little problem with you and Mad Dog. The point I was making is I'm a die hard Yankee fan, but I. I don't hate the Mets whatsoever. I like Pete Alonso. I love Strawberry. I think strawberries are a lot better than Judge. But that's nothing about the call. I didn't think the call was over the top by, by Gary whatsoever. Maybe he's really, really close with Pete. Pete's a really n guy. So I had no problem with that at all. I watched it and I was rooting for it. The Yankees play the Mets and move for the Yankees. But that was my point. Okay, but when you started out the show, Mad Dog Russo and all sort of stuff, he knows what he's talking about. Just because he's San Francisco Giant fan. Did you ever critique the Detroit Lions? Did you ever critique somebody other than the New York Giants football team or the New York Rangers team? That's his job.

[Don Hahn]

No, but him telling me that I'm not supposed to care about it. Dave, he told me I'm not supposed to care about. He's allowed to rip the call. He's around to say that it's over the top, but to say that no one cares.

[Caller]

He did say no one cares.

[Don Hahn]

He said no one cares. How? Who is he to tell me I should care?

[Caller]

He wants to get people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He wants to get people. He's an entertainer. Plus he knows a lot of sports people all over the world are looking for.

[Don Hahn]

I can't criticize him. I know him. I consider him a friend. I decided to criticize him.

[Caller]

He just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you. You want him to go on every single time talk about San Francisco Giants? That's.

[Don Hahn]

No, no. Dave, you're not even understanding what I'm talk. He is critiquing the fans, caring about something. Who the hell is he to decide what fans should care about? He's not a Met fan.

[Caller]

Dave. Dave, by the way, did you start the call by saying Daryl Strawberry is better than Aaron Judge?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Excuse me. Is that okay? Darryl Strawberry had had a drug problem.

[Caller]

I love. I don't his biography. I love straw. But are you saying you think Daryl Strawberry is A better ball player than Aaron Judge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, if you're going to hang up and not let me talk, I'm going to say yes. I would take them any day.

[Caller]

I think we should wrap this up.

[Don Hahn]

And whatever I can, we can. We can only handle one argument at a time.

[Caller]

But doesn't one nullify every other argument?

[Don Hahn]

But I understand what David Strawberry did not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If Daryl didn't have the drug problem, he's much more.

[Caller]

Who's more clutch?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Strawberry or.

[Caller]

That's not the only statistic, Dave. It's not. The only statistic is clutch.

[Don Hahn]

But I am not the most important one for Yankees. I can't argue too much.

[Caller]

Maryland.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not from Maryland.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, we care about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

People come through in the clutch. We care about clutch players, not people strike out every But Dave, I just.

[Don Hahn]

Want to focus on the fact that I had. I did not have a problem with Russo criticizing Gary Cohen's call. My problem is criticizing the enthusiasm of the call and saying that nobody cares about it.

[Caller]

That's the problem.

[Don Hahn]

I can critique what the Lions do or the Hurricanes do, but who would I be to tell fans, maybe he made that up. What they're supposed to care. So he made it up. So that's, that's good. So it's performative. So what we're doing is being performative and you're being performative and now you're gone. Because I, I, I am not being performing. I give a take. Now, if Chris Russo. If you're accusing Chris Russo of doing something scripted and not really believing what he's saying, then you don't know Chris Russo. I've had the privilege of knowing Chris Russo. Chris has had ridiculous takes. Chris has had takes that I wanted to strangle him over. Chris has had takes that I 100% agree with. In my opinion, Chris Russo has never made anything up. Now, do people make things up? Are things performative? Abso freaking lutely. But Chris Russo meant every word that he said. And I'll criticize anybody I want to criticize. Dave. All right. A lot of animals today really bothered by it.

[Caller]

Really.

[Don Hahn]

This is a troublesome show. I'm not going to be able to make the end of it. But, Don, something's going to happen to somebody. It's going to be me.

[Caller]

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[Caller]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Caller]

Now which one is this?

[Don Hahn]

This is Sundown Gordon Lightfoot, would you call this? Well, I heard it on yacht rock.

[Caller]

No, this ain't that. This ain't soulful enough.

[Don Hahn]

There's no soul. This is no different than you and me, right? It's guitar. Yeah, it's the guitar.

[Caller]

Are you guys ready for my tables? My NFL quarterback tables?

[Don Hahn]

I'm ready for it, baby.

[Caller]

Just made the list, buddy.

[Podcast Announcer]

This is the list with Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

[Caller]

So let's get into today's list. Except it's not a list, it's a tables chart. And do you want me to. How do you want me to start? You want me to work bad to good? Good to bad?

[Don Hahn]

No, I think we start at the top, right?

[Caller]

Who's at the head table now? Now I'm gonna, I'm gonna break it down. I did have some more thought this year about table one.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. And did you have comparing it to last year?

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, good.

[Caller]

A lot of changes.

[Don Hahn]

There's a lot.

[Caller]

There's a lot of changes. Like people are going to stand out. A couple things you're going to. Oh, my God. But if there's actually more interesting pieces, I am sure. No, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

Go ahead. I was just gonna say I'm sure that there's someone on your list, pretty high on your list that hadn't even played a down of NFL football the last time you did this.

[Caller]

Yes, I'm sure that's probably true. Now here's. Here's how I decided to do table one this year. And we can fight about it, do whatever you want it. These are the Guys who. With one exception. And he has a special caveat. But with one exception, every one of these guys can go out on his own and essentially win a game. That's how I view the first table of quarterbacks.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller]

And that table looks like this. A lot of it's very familiar. Don, you may be familiar with seats one through four. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Caller]

Joe Burrow.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Caller]

Lamar Jackson. Those are your. Those guys. You're familiar with all four of them.

[Don Hahn]

And just in my opinion, that's, I think, the full table. That's the full table.

[Caller]

And by the way, I hear you.

[Don Hahn]

Don't do it.

[Caller]

Except.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Caller]

Jaden Daniels could win games by himself.

[Don Hahn]

Then you know what? We're not doing it. No, I'm out. No, I'm out.

[Caller]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Go give the list. I'm out.

[Caller]

I'm sorry.

[Don Hahn]

You're not putting Jaden Daniels on the top list. You can't do it.

[Caller]

And I'm putting Jalen Hurts on the list as well. I'm sorry. Jalen Hurts is.

[Don Hahn]

I love you. I encouraged you to do this list.

[Caller]

And now you're out.

[Don Hahn]

I can't be out. Well, listen, but it's under protest.

[Caller]

So how many years is it? Only four guys? That's the NFL's fault. But no, it's not. Because you have a guy in Washington who wins games by himself. He will be.

[Don Hahn]

And Jake Daniels can't win. And Jalen Hurts can't win games by himself.

[Caller]

Caveat. So I had a caveat. I'm also putting Jalen Hurts at table one. Because when you go out there and you win a Super bowl and you do it at this level year after year, at some point, Don, it's the same reason you're gonna see Jared Goff moved up on the list. There has to be some movement on the list. Players have to be able to improve themselves. And so that they go. Jalen Hurts doesn't deserve to be high. The guy just wants to.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be high, but he's not an elite quarterback.

[Caller]

He's not an elite quarterback. He's not.

[Don Hahn]

Well, no list has him in the top five.

[Caller]

Listen, I understand that this isn't a.

[Don Hahn]

He's on an incredibly talented team.

[Caller]

Incredibly talented.

[Don Hahn]

So good that I think their coach is a borderline moron and they still win Super Bowl. Agreed.

[Caller]

Think the coach is a moron.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't say. But Peter said.

[Caller]

I said borderline. Hold on. But I added a caveat. I agree. Jalen Hurts cannot go Win a game by himself. But Don, at some point at this table, when I'm inviting the people to the party, does the guy not deserve to sit there? I don't think he's got an mvp. Jingling and jingling.

[Don Hahn]

This is your list. Please continue.

[Caller]

I'm sorry. Every year for me to trot out the same table. Of those four, including, by the way, a couple who poop the bed in big spots at times. Joe Burrow hasn't done anything in two years. Yes, he puts up great numbers.

[Don Hahn]

So maybe you take Joe Burrow.

[Caller]

But I can't because the guy is literally that good. But my. But my point is these things are fluid. I. I understand. You all think I'm a complete yo yo.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't ever say.

[Caller]

No, no, listen, I get it. I'm a yo yo. I don't know anything. I'm biased. But I also watched every snap. Jaden Daniels has the ability to win every single game he plays, no matter who is on the field with him. Him. Tell me who in the rest of the league is in that category behind him.

[Don Hahn]

At least admit he'd be the.

[Caller]

You.

[Don Hahn]

Jimmy rigged this thing so that you can get Daniels on the list.

[Caller]

I didn't. Shoot.

[Don Hahn]

You can't play one year in the NFL and be at the same table as Patrick Mahomes.

[Caller]

Well, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

Or Lamar Jackson, who's won multiple MVPs, could have won a third MVP last year.

[Caller]

Lamar Jackson. The guy.

[Don Hahn]

One hell of a table.

[Caller]

The guy. Wait. The guy who can't win a playoff game with a gun to his head versus the kid who went into the best team in the NFC and won a playoff game?

[Don Hahn]

Who can't win a playoff?

[Caller]

Jackson, that is. I'm sorry. The guy fails every year. In his rookie year, Jane Daniels walked into Detroit. Boom, win. Get to the. I'm sorry. To me, that is. He is reasonable to be in the conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Caller]

This is.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, I'm.

[Caller]

I said though, everyone's going to choke up on that part. I wanted to mix up Table 1. It's mixed it up.

Yeah.

By the way, time for some fresh blood at table one. Conversation's getting boring. Everyone's staring at Josh Allen's wife. Nobody wants to talk to Brittany Mahomes. Let's mix things up a little bit. Now we have Jaden's mom at the table. We have Jalen Hurts hot agent sitting at the table, Nicole Lynn. Everybody's there. We're mixing things up a bit.

[Don Hahn]

It is. I tell you, it's a table to be at. Nevermind football. There's gonna be a lot going on at that table.

[Caller]

Now there's. There's certainly an argument to be made between table two and table three. And could people at the top of table three be on table two?

[Don Hahn]

That's always the debate.

[Caller]

And I did some waffling on this. I'm not going to lie. And we can talk it through. And I'm fine with that. Table two is very narrow. Why, Don? Because ultimately table two and table one are. Are kind of next to each other. Is the top of the league to me. And everything else comes after this.

[Don Hahn]

This sounds like it might be one of those tables, like at the cocktail hour.

[Caller]

Go ahead.

[Don Hahn]

Right. It doesn't sound like it's a very big table.

[Caller]

It could be a cocktail. It's right near the table one. And they're sitting right there waving over there.

[Don Hahn]

There's a bar near table one.

[Caller]

And this is an interesting one, in my opinion, because a couple guys are here that you're gonna really. But I think it's tough to argue with right now where we're sitting in 20, 25 at table two. I still. And by the way, this is your last year, buddy. This is. This is your last two guys here. If you don't do something this year, these two guys, you're getting to another table. And that would be Justin Herbert and Dak Prescott. Both of you were on the verge of going to table three.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Because one of you wasn't on the field all year, and I don't know what you can do. And the other one, you play, but your team just fizzles out every single year in Justin Herbert. But from a talent standpoint, in Herbert's case, and a consistency standpoint when he does play. That's why Herbert and Dan are there. And the other two players, that table, who I welcome here. And I'm happy to see them here, but just. I'm sorry. The numbers don't lie. Would be Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff. I'm sorry, I. What? Go look at Baker Mayfield's 41 touchdowns or whatever the hell the number is. It's insane. And Jared Goff is at the helm in the most explosive offense in the conference. Don. So what? You can tell me he's not as skilled as the guys at the top of the list? He's not. But is it. Shouldn't there be some value to the fact that year after year now you have an awesome offense no one wants to play?

[Don Hahn]

No, it's true.

[Caller]

Give the guy a good seat. I get it. He's not a hall of Famer, I get it. But he's a damn good quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, so table three is a big one.

[Caller]

Lot going on at table three, right. C.J. stroud.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller]

Brock Purdy, Matthew Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, Bo Nixon, Sam Darnold and Geno Smith are all hanging out at this big hodgepodge of a table.

[Don Hahn]

You have any problems listening to that list and hearing table two? I would put Matthew Stafford at table two.

[Caller]

Okay, let's. We'll discuss.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller]

I have no problem, by the way. No problem.

[Don Hahn]

It's a crowded table anyway.

[Caller]

It's a crowded table. He's obviously a great all timer.

[Don Hahn]

Champion.

[Caller]

He's a champion. The question isn't this year though. We don't even know what his health's going to be week one. But whatever, he should be ready.

[Don Hahn]

That's what they say.

[Caller]

Table four.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller]

A lot going on a table four. Yeah, a lot of. A lot of variables.

[Don Hahn]

Like when you say that, I think of the wedding singer. Is it's. Or is that table five?

[Caller]

Well, table five is. No, that's. Table five is.

[Don Hahn]

Table five is like where the band eats.

[Caller]

Well, table five, you have. You have a rookie, you have another guy who's never played. And then you just got stuff you don't even want to look at. Table four. Table four. And I know this is controversial because he's very good, but I'm sorry, like at some point the ability is availability. It's to a tongue of aloha. Justin Fields, Russell Wilson. Yay, New York. Two table fours. Michael Penix Jr.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller]

Bryce Young, Kyler Murray, Drake May, and welcome to the bottom, Aaron Rodgers. Table five. Don would be your J.J. mcCarthy. We got no idea. Cam Ward.

[Don Hahn]

No, I.

[Caller]

Who knows? Indianapolis, New Orleans, Cleveland.

[Don Hahn]

Probably Daniel Jones now, right?

[Caller]

I guess, sure. If you're. By the way, if you're trying to figure out whether or not Daniel Jones is your starter, do you deserve to be anywhere but table five?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller]

So I'm sorry, you're not sure and it might be Tyler Shao in Cleveland. We don't know what's going on in.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it could be any new. Seven different people.

[Caller]

Sorry, that's in Cleveland. In New Orleans. Tyler in Cleveland. Yeah. Yeah. Flacco Sanders.

[Don Hahn]

They say Flacco, but I'm sure it's very Flacco.

[Caller]

And tell me this, if it's Flacco, where does he deserve to be? Maybe six.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Because I was on a couch not that long ago. Right.

[Caller]

There's no table, by the way. It's one of those TV dinner tables. It's that your grandma brings up to the couch.

[Don Hahn]

I miss those snack tray. I, I, I love what you did, what you did with the list.

[Caller]

Thank.

[Don Hahn]

Because it started up and that's what.

[Caller]

You'Re supposed to love the show.

[Don Hahn]

But the things that I, besides my first criticism, which we'll revisit, I'm sure with a ton of calls later, is if I'm putting Stafford at two.

[Caller]

Well, I don't.

[Don Hahn]

Three, I put Rogers at three. Rogers did close out the season very well. So it gave you an indication of once he was over the Achilles, what he could do. I tell you, I think Rogers is going to do well. But if you want to punish him because of missing basically a year and a half of ineffective football. But if I put Stafford there based on him having a Super Bowl, I probably would put Rogers at Table 3. I would want to put him down there with table four, even though it.

[Caller]

Was very appealing to do so.

[Don Hahn]

I understand where you're coming from, but I think Rogers deserves, I think you're probably right.

[Caller]

I mean you look at the numbers were pretty good even though during the season it never felt impressive. Let's just, let's not rewrite his, not.

[Don Hahn]

A good, not a good team.

[Caller]

But, but his listen, no, the numbers are good. I know.

[Don Hahn]

I listen numbers sometimes can hide it. And there were, listen, he made, there.

[Caller]

Were games where they were just God.

[Don Hahn]

Awful that he played, but he still threw for almost 4,000 yards, 28 touchdowns, 11 interceptions.

[Caller]

Yeah, no, it's good numbers on a.

[Don Hahn]

Bad football team that went from poorly coached to not coached at all. And if I've got Matthew Stafford on the list at Table 3 and Matthew Stafford last year threw for less yards, less touchdowns and more interceptions, I probably have to put Rogers.

[Caller]

All right, Anthony, I would like to move Aaron Rodgers. I want to take my personal bias out of this.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller]

And I'd like to move Aaron Rodgers from table four to table three.

[Don Hahn]

But there it is for everyone. Everybody. You've got something to read. I think at the end of the list.

[Caller]

Do I have a sponsorship of some.

[Don Hahn]

Now we used to, but I think table one ruined it. Yeah, table one, we had a sponsorship. They pulled it. No, listen, well, listen.

[Caller]

1-800-919-3776.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I'm aboard.

[Caller]

I just wonder, you know, listen, these lists are here to debate. I believe mine is going to age fantastic. I truly feel confident. I, by the way, I mean, sorry, while we're talking about what happened last year, Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. Right? Yeah, I get it. They're the greatest thing ever. Does he deserve to be there based on last year? Was he great last year? Was Patrick Mahomes great last year?

[Don Hahn]

You got it. You got it. I know, but I'm just saying.

[Caller]

Of course, you can't move him off, right? You can't move them off. I understand.

[Don Hahn]

He's nailed there. You got to pry him off.

[Caller]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

I know.

[Caller]

By the way, this year, we'll see what happens. This year, God only knows. But, like, that's why. I'm just saying it does feel a little unfair that we have those four permanently there. No one else can grow onto it. But then we're also not going to punish them unless, like, they fall off a gigantic cliff. Mahomes didn't blow me away last year.

[Don Hahn]

He didn't listen. I love the tables.

[Caller]

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[Caller]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Don Hahn]

Very interesting day here on Don Han and Rosenberg. Lot a lot of things happening. People still want to talk about the Mad Dog comments on tmks. This is not Yad Rock.

[Caller]

I know. I gotta. I gotta tell the person who did it. It's. It's. I don't want to break his heart.

[Don Hahn]

Break it.

[Caller]

No, it's. I. I can't do it in front of the group. But he made a fool of himself. It's not close. No, not you. Not you. Listen, Don. I thought Don was completely about to lose his mind and leave the show. And it was like an angel came and tapped him on the shoulder and was like, no, no, don't leave. Don't leave. Don't leave us. Come back. And then you came back to us.

[Don Hahn]

I came back to you.

[Caller]

I thought you were really gonna, like, you were on the verge of I can't do it. And I thought you were gonna walk off the show. But then, like, it was like something hit you. It was almost like the medication kicked in. Well, which time?

[Don Hahn]

In the beginning.

[Caller]

No, just now. Oh, just now when you're like, no, I'm not doing the list. And then you stop for a second, you're like.

[Don Hahn]

Because I realize that takes the fun out of the show. If I walk out, Peter reads the list, and then what would you do?

[Caller]

Wait, you almost pulled a Han taking the headphones off and sitting back when he gets a car that he gets mad at you?

[Don Hahn]

No, I can't do that.

[Caller]

You can't do that.

[Don Hahn]

Because. Because I think the realization came down is that, can I really lay out of anything? And the answer is no.

[Caller]

The answer is no.

[Don Hahn]

Like, I've never gotten to the 70% that Michael claimed I was.

[Caller]

No.

[Don Hahn]

But I'm not one to lay out.

[Caller]

But by the way, that is another part when we're describing what makes Alan Hanna complete psycho. We forgot about that.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller]

A sports argument will get him so upset that he will kick back in his chair, put his hands behind his head, and refuse to talk to the caller anymore.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller]

On sports talk.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's. It's.

[Caller]

It's. It's incredible. So anyways, we. I gave my. My tables. Unfortunately, I just destroyed it. But. But the thing that upset people is that I added to the first table Jaden Daniels. And Jalen hurts Jaden on account of. I believe that in addition to the first four quarterbacks that are there. And you know who those four are? The same ones that are always there. I think Jaden is the fifth guy who on his own can win football games. And I added Jalen Hertz. Because, Don, I think at some point, someone deserves credit for putting up the kind of wins he does every year. And then, oh, yeah, going out and winning a Super Bowl, I'm putting Jalen hurts there. But then that.

[Don Hahn]

But. But even as a Giant fan, I would have a problem putting Eli Manning at the head table during his run because Eli.

[Caller]

Did Eli ever put together. I'm not being sarcastic or I don't know the answer. Did he ever put together the, like, three seasons straight, including a Super bowl win that Hurts has the last few years because none of them were incredible.

[Don Hahn]

Just doesn't put up the numbers. I don't think he's ever thrown for 3,000 yards. That's what makes him kind of a unicorn where it's more about the team than the quarterback. Like somebody on Twitter had mentioned, would Purdy, would Brock Purdy be on the list of the head table if he had gone to the NFC when he his rookie year going to the NFC championship game? And the answer would be no, because I think stats do matter. See, I guess my problem, by the.

[Caller]

Way, can I just respond to Purdy real quick? Purdy has the greatest offensive mind maybe we've ever seen with a clipboard. Jalen Hurts has a guy who Don and I are pretty sure if he wasn't coaching the NFL be working at the mall.

[Don Hahn]

Hertz has. It's, it's 4,000. He's never thrown for 4,000. He has three years of over 3,000.

[Caller]

And by the way, 20, 23 hit for 3,800 yards. But that's not enough.

[Don Hahn]

But look, let's not. I understand he's your guy and I understand they went to the championship game and it was a hell of a rookie season, but we're still putting somebody at the head of the table, a rookie in Jaden Daniels who threw for under 3,600 yards, 25 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Again, he was rookie of the year. Great rookie season. But come on, man. Now once he gets to the point, I think he will where he's thrown for over 4,000 yards, 30 touchdowns. I think he's going to get there, but I think it's way, it's way premature.

[Caller]

Can you also include though real quick, can you include that he rushed for 891 yards and another six touchdowns?

[Don Hahn]

That's, that's.

[Caller]

Those are pretty relevant stats.

[Don Hahn]

I get that.

[Caller]

That's all. It's a lot of offense. He, he just did a lot of re. He watching him game to game, he feels like he gives that team a chance in every single game that he plays. And I think he, I think there are only six to seven quarterbacks in the league and essentially as I see it, four or five. They give you a chance to do that week to week.

[Don Hahn]

And again, I don't want conceded to call back and jump me. And I love what, what Hertz has done as a quarterback. We've had this conversation many times, but he doesn't have to do a lot. He did not throw for 3,000 yards this year. 18 touchdowns, five interceptions. Again, he does a lot with his legs. I get it. But you know, 23 touchdowns, 15 interceptions the year before, throwing for almost 4,000 yards. But he's never thrown for 4,000 yards. He is only. He's thrown 20 touchdowns, twice as high as 23. But he's not asked to do a lot.

[Caller]

No, he's not. But listen, he's. He's a Super Bowl MVP who year after year is putting up double digit wins for this team and has them. Basically. He is the quarterback on the team that basically now everyone believes to be the best team in football. I'm giving him points for that. I'm allowed to sit at the big table with the big boys. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But I just, I think.

[Caller]

You think he's not on the level.

[Don Hahn]

No, not. No. I don't think he's had a great five seasons and he works for Philadelphia. He does. But I think there's a lot of quarterbacks out there that have given the opportunity to play for the Philadelphia Eagles that you might rise to the occasion. I'm not trying to take anything away. Definitely table two. And I, and I, and I think Daniels deserves Table 2. Table 1. That's a lot, man. Again, I know you're drunk off his season.

[Caller]

Very.

[Don Hahn]

And you should be a tremendous rookie season going to the championship game, all that. But I can't put him at the same table that guys that I'm able to put up better stats on a more consistent basis. It'll be very interesting to see what kind of sophomore year he has when now you can game plan for him. The target's going to be on his back. It'll be very interesting to see if he's going to be able to handle all that.

[Caller]

You're right. A lot will be answered in the. I'll either look great or I'll have pie on my face.

[Don Hahn]

Billy, in the truck. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Billy?

[Caller]

What's going on, guys?

Thanks for taking a call.

[Don Hahn]

Always.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, he.

[Caller]

Jalen, Jalen hurts. He's not, he's not a table one guy. I get, you know, you try to spice things up and this and that, but it's too. Too many chefs in the kitchen. You can't have, you can't have six. You know, table one guys over here. You know, Jalen hurts. He's a fine quarterback. Quarterback. He's done, he's done great things already. But like he's, he's just got a number one team around him. I had this argument, I had this argument with, with Bart when that, when that one list came out that put him at whatever, number nine or whatever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Caller]

I don't think he's that low. I think, I think that was. I think that was a little disrespectful. 100, table two guy. But you know, you got the number. You got the number one running back. You got.

I get it.

You have receiving course.

And I'm not king. Jalen Hurts. Just to be clear. I'm not. I actually, I describe Jalen Hurts as a more athletic game manager. I don't think he's the illest quarterback in football. I am admitting I'm giving this is. Listen Patrick Mahomes, stats wise. You look at him last season. If you compare him to normal humans, his numbers are great for all of us who watch his games and we watch him all the time because he's on national TV every week. We saw that last year wasn't the same year.

[Don Hahn]

I was saying all year they could be had the very last chance.

[Caller]

And then, and then. But I'm. But he gets points because he's Patrick Mahomes and he's shown it year and year again. Jalen Hurts is not the world's greatest quarterback, but he's getting bonus points for being Super Bowl MVP and having that team where they are, to your point, they are completely loaded. But to Don's point, I also think their head coach is totally mediocre. Patrick Mahomes has one of the greatest coaches in the history of football as the architect of that team.

[Don Hahn]

That certainly helps for sure.

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[Caller]

I don't want to know how the.

[Podcast Announcer]

Sausage is made, man.

[Don Hahn]

I just want to know.

[Caller]

It's good.

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