Hour 2: SAS v Wilson & That Guy Thursday

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast

Episode: Hour 2 – “SAS v Wilson & That Guy Thursday”
Date: January 8, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg centers on two main threads:

1. The escalating media back-and-forth between ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith and Jets wide receiver Garrett Wilson.
2. The lighter, recurring "That Guy Thursday" segment, featuring stories about characters in sports acting like “that guy,” plus spirited discussion about music, especially classic acts like the Bee Gees, Paul Simon, and Kenny Loggins.

In typical fashion, the hosts bring energetic banter, passionate sports takes, and plenty of humor, with signature New York candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Bee Gees, Nostalgia, and Misconceptions

[00:14-03:26]

• The show opens on a light note with Rosenberg and the crew discussing the Bee Gees’ reputation. They lament how the band is pigeonholed by their disco-era successes, especially "Stayin’ Alive," and overlooked for their broader catalog.
• Rosenberg confesses he once thought the Bee Gees defined cheesy pop (01:01): “As a kid, they were the definition in my head of, like, the Macarena. It was the Bee Gees... because of poor branding and one huge, really huge hit in particular, Stayin’ Alive. I literally thought they were the definition of crap.”
• Thanks to the recent documentary, both Peter and Alan have gained a greater appreciation for the Bee Gees' musical range.

2. Stephen A. Smith vs. Garrett Wilson & the State of the New York Jets

Background & Social Media Exchange

[03:26-05:48]

• Peter recaps the dispute: Stephen A. Smith called the Jets an “abomination” on First Take; Garrett Wilson fired back on Instagram, calling ESPN hosts “sellouts” and lamenting what the network has become.
• Stephen A. addressed Wilson directly on air, defending his take and clarifying he meant organizational criticism, not a personal attack.

Stephen A. Smith’s Response

Notable Quote (04:03):

“The Jets are horrible. ... The Jets are horrible. You haven’t been in the playoffs since 2010.” – Stephen A. Smith [as played on show]

• Stephen A. argues he was advocating for players like Wilson to get help or leave rather than criticizing Wilson directly (05:00).

The Hosts’ Analysis

[05:48-09:24]

• Alan admires Wilson for defending his team, seeing it as a sign of commitment, but notes: “He is still 10 toes down with this organization. You have every reason to think like why would you be? But he is and that says a lot about him.” (09:21)
• Dom and Alan suggest Wilson’s best move would have been to defend his team without taking shots at ESPN; by bringing the network into it, he gave Stephen A. a reason to respond.
• The hosts agree the core issue is organizational failure: the Jets’ leadership is the reason they’re a “laughingstock,” and no amount of bravado from players or coaches will change perceptions until the team actually wins games.

Fan Calls on the Jets Saga

[14:43-21:52]

• Caller Griff asks about NFL playoff upsets but is also swept up in the Jets debate.
• Caller Dennis offers a contrarian angle, arguing Wilson’s defense is self-serving, based on a need for a better QB and protection for his own career: “He’s not the reason. But Alan, you reported this or you brought this up last year, you didn’t get along with Aaron Rodgers..” (21:00)

Organizational Accountability and the New York Market

[13:54-14:36]

• The hosts reflect on why New York teams are held to a different standard by fans and media:

“That’s the one thing that makes New York unique... there’s a level of accountability... They expect it to be better and they’re going to hold you accountable. And now you’re the butt of jokes.” – Dom (14:01)

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3. NFL Playoff Matchups: Odds, Underdogs, and Betting Angles

[14:52-19:50]

• Discussion shifts to upcoming playoff games, with particular focus on Buffalo vs. Jacksonville. The hosts debate why Buffalo is favored and what makes Jacksonville a sneaky pick, ultimately pointing to public perception and star power as drivers of betting lines.
• Playful confusion ensues about which games are “dogs”—Rams vs. Panthers is deemed especially unexciting (“homely hairy mole game” – Dom, 18:33).

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4. That Guy Thursday

[23:01-37:50]

Lane Kiffin’s Departure & College Football Ethics

[24:55-26:04]

• The “That Guy” spotlight falls on Lane Kiffin for his controversial coaching moves and attempts to poach assistants post-departure.
• Jimbo Fisher weighs in:

“You set the rules of the game. You don’t change the rules in the middle of the game. As a coach, it’s hurting the kids, and it pisses me off.” – Jimbo Fisher (25:19)

• The segment also lampoons the weirdness and cynicism of major college football, including jokes about assistant coaches’ loyalty and hypocrisy in “amateurism” post-NIL and portal era.

Is College Football Still “College” Football?

[30:04-32:27]

• Dom mourns the death of the old college-ideal, arguing money, NIL, and transfers have “gone too far the other way. And it’s minor league football, but it’s still immensely popular because so much is invested.” (30:23)

The Quarterback Archetype: Can a True "Dorcas Mallorcus" Lead?

[32:37-34:39]

• Peter brings up audio from Fernando Mendoza and ponders whether a “square,” earnest, meditative QB can really lead NFL teams:

“If you think Russell Wilson is kind of weird... I don’t know if you can be this much of a... dorcas mallorcus... and be a leader of grown men in a football team.” (33:07)

NBA Drama: Giannis's Trade Games

[34:46-37:28]

• Alan nominates Giannis Antetokounmpo as “that guy” for publicly proclaiming his loyalty to the Bucks while “playing the semantical game” of never officially demanding a trade—despite behind-the-scenes maneuvering:

“My plan is to be here for the rest of my career. If they don’t want me, I’m not the one in charge. I am an employee.” – Giannis quote relayed by Alan (35:38)

• Alan and Dom assert everyone in the NBA knows Giannis wants out—he just wants the team to pull the trigger so he keeps his reputation clean.

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5. Music, Aging Legends, and the Art of Legacy

[38:10-44:16]

• The pod ends with passionate conversation about Kenny Loggins, Paul Simon, and Simon & Garfunkel.
• Peter criticizes Howard Stern for “sycophantic” interviewing of Paul Simon, wishing Stern had pressed harder on the Simon & Garfunkel relationship and Simon’s reputation for prickliness:

“You guys are 80 years old. How is it right now? Wouldn’t you like your relationship to be good when it’s all said and done?” – Peter Rosenberg (43:35)

• There’s wistfulness about legacy, competition, and what gets left unsaid between icons—mirroring the show’s broader themes about accountability, pride, and facing reality.

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• On Bee Gees’ misunderstood reputation:
  “As a kid, they were the definition in my head of, like, the Macarena. It was the Bee Gees... because of poor branding and one huge, really huge hit in particular, Stayin’ Alive. I literally thought they were the definition of crap.”
  — Peter Rosenberg (01:01)

• On Garrett Wilson defending the Jets:
  “He is still 10 toes down with this organization. You have every reason to think like why would you be? But he is and that says a lot about him.”
  — Alan Hahn (09:21)

• On New York sports culture:
  “That’s the one thing that makes New York unique... there’s a level of accountability... They expect it to be better and they’re going to hold you accountable. And now you’re the butt of jokes.”
  — Dom (14:01)

• On Lane Kiffin’s college football meddling:
  “You set the rules of the game. You don’t change the rules in the middle of the game. As a coach, it’s hurting the kids, and it pisses me off.”
  — Jimbo Fisher (25:19)

• On the new reality of college football:
  “It’s minor league football, but it’s still immensely popular because so much is invested... but it’s not what college football is supposed to be.”
  — Dom (30:23)

• On “That Guy” Giannis and NBA semantics:
  “We all know the dirty little secret is Giannis wants out of there... What he wants the Bucks to do is to realize Giannis is not going to sign an extension... That’s this summer. Why you just say nothing? Giannis just don’t say anything here.”
  — Alan Hahn (36:32)

• On leading as an “uncool” QB:
  “If you think Russell Wilson is kind of weird... I don’t know if you can be this much of a... dorcas mallorcus... and be a leader of grown men in a football team.”
  — Peter Rosenberg (33:07)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Bee Gees & Music Talk: 00:14 – 03:26, 38:10 – 44:16
• Stephen A. v. Garrett Wilson/ESPN v. Jets: 03:26 – 14:01
• Caller segment & NFL Playoffs Preview: 14:43 – 21:52
• That Guy Thursday: Lane Kiffin / Coaches / College Football: 23:01 – 32:27
• NFL Quarterbacks & “Dorcas Mallorcus” Concept: 32:37 – 34:39
• NBA “That Guy” (Giannis): 34:46 – 37:28
• Legacy and Music Industry Critique: 38:10 – 44:16

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Conclusion

This episode captures Don, Hahn & Rosenberg at their best: mixing punchy, frank sports analysis with comic relief and some culture talk. This hour sees them at the heart of two New York sports obsessions (Jets dysfunction and star loyalty), while the “That Guy Thursday” segment gleefully skewers big personalities and fragile egos in professional sports and beyond. Through it all, the hosts’ chemistry, wit, and love of both the game (sports and music alike) keep things rollicking and insightful.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live, weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now we're having a conversation, folks.

[Dom]

Broadway to Bee Gees.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now we're having a conversation.

[Dom]

There's a certain fear.

[Alan Hahn]

No one.

[Dom]

I think it's kind of criminal, Peter, that the Bee Gees just get the number labeled for the Saturday Night Beaver soundtrack.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's criminal.

[Dom]

They're just so much better stuff before and after.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, it's funny, Don, I. I never really got into the stuff earlier, like, you know, when they went disco and all that, until you brought it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I might have to bring it back.

[Alan Hahn]

So I did. I did some searching, and I was like, you know what? You're right, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no.

[Alan Hahn]

It's really good sound.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And this is the part. Hold on. This is the part where it gets really crazy. Here we go. Here we go.

[Alan Hahn]

Here we go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Talk to him. Yo, it's. They are. It's Don. It's thought. As a kid, they were the definition in my head of, like, the Macarena. It was the Bee Gees. Like that in my. In my brain because of poor branding and one huge, really huge hit in particular, Staying Alive. I literally thought they were the definition of crap.

[Dom]

That's why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then I. And then I got Older.

[Alan Hahn]

You told yourself not to like it, and then as you got older, you couldn't resist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, for the record, I do want to say it's not like I didn't like Staying Alive. In fact, even when Wyclef redid Staying Alive, which is so good, it's like. It's, like, embarrassing. Like, Don, how do I say this out offending our friend? Like, of course Alan would like it. It's right on brand for Alan to like that song. But a lot of people would, like, completely roll their eyes at it, but he. Alan's right. It's a great. It's fun. It's a great, fun record.

[Alan Hahn]

Peter, I don't get. You have to understand, I don't get offended by taste. Well, like what I like. If you don't like Star Wars, I'm not gonna be all mad at you. I appreciate. You don't have to like it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, a lot of people. A lot of people are very sensitive.

[Alan Hahn]

Doesn't bother me at all, so. But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you see what I'm saying? It's a chees. But then, Don, you dig in. You get to love you inside out. Nights on Broadway, you're like, this band rocks. They're awesome.

[Dom]

Or go back to their, you know, the infancy, which I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I didn't know that stuff at all until the documentary.

[Dom]

The documentary really just nails everything. And then disco was the biggest thing until it wasn't. And then the second it wasn't, it was almost like evil. And they got completely torn down by the fact that they were kind of the face of disco.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Dom]

Because Saturday Night Fever was the biggest movie, the biggest album. I think you could check me on that. There must have been. I don't know how many songs were on the soundtrack, but at least 10 of them went top 40. It was incredible. And so the blowback when everybody was kind of done with disco, that this great band with tremendous stuff just got labeled as a disco band and they had to fight back to try to discover themselves again. It was pretty, pretty sad how it went down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's sad. And also the whole conversation around disco is kind of sad too, because disco was not. Disco as an entire genre was not what it was at the cheesy Staying Alive. David Naughton making it like that is not what it was entirely as a genre. It got really bastardized and super cheap sounding by the end. But anyways, guys, so this is the Stephen A. Garrett Wilson thing.

[Alan Hahn]

Thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's becoming a bit. A bit of a thing.

[Dom]

Is that right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you didn't hear yesterday, Stephen A. Stephen A. Went on first take and basically talked about the jets being an abomination as a franchise. And Garrett Wilson did not like that. And went on in the comments on the first take post and basically was like, damn, ESPN used to be great. I used to want to be on there. Now it sucks. You must have to be a real sellout to be on espn. Did I did that? Did I roughly cover it?

[Dom]

Guys, Very good. Outstanding even.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's Stephen A on first take responding to Garrett Wilson.

[Alan Hahn]

Did I stutter?

[Stephen A. Smith]

The jets are horrible. Now, before I get into my take, I wanted to make sure that I clarify certain things because I hear Star wide receiver Mr. Garrett Wilson has something to say about a brother. So rather. Rather than me go off, let me first show everybody what he said. Damn, you gotta be a real sellout. Interesting choice of words. And above all a square to be on espn. I'm sorry, be on ESPN nowadays. Used to love that show. Couple of things, my brother. If you check the news first take record ratings. Number one show come April will be number one for 14 consecutive years. That's number one. Number two, with all the years of success that we've had. We've never had greater success on this show than in 2025. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And all the contributors out there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, well, now, Stephen A. Went off to say a little bit. Went on to say a little bit more about Carol Wilson.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You're a good brother, my man. And I don't blame you for feeling salty about what I said. I wasn't talking about you. I was pleading for you to get help. Meaning the kind of help source Gardner got when they sent him to Indy. Meaning the kind of help when the Williams got and when they sent him to Dallas. I think players should be trying to get the hell up out of MetLife Stadium in a Jets or Giants uniform these days. More so the jets than the Giants. The Giants got some talent, okay. And the jets have some, too. I was talking about the organization. The jets are horrible. You haven't been in the playoffs since 2010.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's 15 years.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Now. I didn't Google Garrett Wilson to find out how old he is. When y' all get an opportunity, producers, please remind me of how young this brother is.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's say 25.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Let's say 20.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So in other words, they better playoffs.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That you would take they better playoffs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Since you were in junior high school.

[Alan Hahn]

Junior high school. He's not wrong. It's. You gotta try to remove how he's saying it, right? And look at what he's saying. And I love Stephen A. He's not saying anything that no one else has ever said. He's just saying it in his own unique way that makes it sound louder and angrier and. And more disrespectful. But everything that he said, we all can acknowledge. When you haven't made the playoffs in 15 years, right, you're hot guard. Like, you're all those things. But what I like because, you know, for a minute, you wonder like this Garrett look around thinking, all right, Sauce is gone, Quinn is gone. Like, Breeze might be gone. Why do I want to be here? And I was worried that Garrett might get to a place where he's like, get me the hell out of here, too. I love that. Garrett for the franchise. Since nobody else can do it, decided I'm jumping in this thing and I'm going to say something because I care about my team and I don't want my team being disrespected like that. So that told me a lot about Garrett Wilson and where he is right now when it comes to being a Jet, because I was a little worried. And he had every right to that he might be the guy that's thinking, how am I getting out of here? Because this place is a disaster.

[Dom]

It just becomes just a back and forth because Garrett could have done that without going after ESPN. And then it just becomes, well, now Steven's defending ESPN and let's write it. ESPN's resume is a lot better recently than the jets resume. So that's, that's really a tough argument for Garrett to sell. I think you're right. The story of this is one of the members of the jets is defending the jets. Not some story about how he liked it or retweeted it or agreed in some way or is asking it out.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, if he hits.

[Dom]

So just tweeting out saying, I disagree. I think we're headed in the right direction. I love this team. Stephen A's wrong. But then by going after ESPN now, Steven's got answered. Now maybe Stephen would have answered anyway, but if he just kept it to defending the jets, then Garrett wins in a slam dunk. Because that's the story to me is a member of the team is saying, no, no, no, no, we're okay. It's easy to pile on the jets. And everything Stephen said was right. It's just he said it in a way that was going to get a reaction. He was probably a little over the top with it. Then Garrett comes out being a little over the top of the ESPN and it just becomes, you know, he said, he said and becomes fodder for us to talk about.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, just so you know, you're right.

[Dom]

The story is Garrett defended his team.

[Alan Hahn]

Garrett had one more thing to say.

[Dom]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

He said, last thing I'm going to say on it. I listened and it ain't and I ain't like it, but that's all okay. I just don't want bad advice going out. That was bad career and financial advice that he himself wouldn't even take. Not to mention, yeah, I take some of it personal. All good. Go Jets. So again, I believe it was Stephen A saying that Dante Moore shouldn't. Right. If the jets were going to take him at 2, should stay in college. And so Garrett is basically saying that's terrible advice first and foremost. But second of all, I took it personal. But then he's like, I'm going to leave it there. And he's right to leave it there. But it's so, you know, like, this says a lot about Garrett. I really feel like this says a lot about. He is still 10 toes down with this organization. You have every reason to think like why would you be? But he is and that says a lot about him.

[Dom]

Yeah, it's, Listen, it's not Steven's responsibility to do right by the Jets.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh no. Hell, he's given his opinion and he's right.

[Dom]

And no offense to Stephen. Anybody taking their advice on where to go play football from Stephen A. Smith, I think they're ill advised. You can look at it yourself. You can look at the track record not making the playoffs 15 straight years. That tells you everything you need to know.

[Alan Hahn]

How about quarterback in forever? That's right. Where, where do they go? Like where do they end up?

[Dom]

Yeah. And believe me, their agents, their advisors all know that.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Dom]

But the fact is, is that, that, that tells me as a Jet fan, Garrett doesn't plan on going anywhere and he wants to see this through. And you got to feel good about that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I, I, if I'm a Jets fan, I mostly like this from the standpoint of at least Garrett, how Garrett comes off.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, yeah. Now if you're the jets, it's nice that Garrett's doing this, but at one point, and again, I'll go right back to where I always go, the owner's office. At what point does he just finally go like, like this has got to stop. We are a laughing stock franchise now that it's easy to take shots at us. Like when does it stop?

[Dom]

Well, it stops when you win.

[Alan Hahn]

Of course it stops. But the problem is they never make their.

[Dom]

I know, but see, see that's, See that's a mistake. I believe that like Aaron Glenn was making early on in his 10 year. Going after the media, talking tough, that's all performative. That's not going to do it. Talking tough does not make you tough. Talking tough does not mean that it's going to change everything. Going out there and winning games changes it. So go out and do it and then you could talk after. So no, even the Giants hiring John Harbaugh, if they do get that done, is a step in the right direction. John's got to go out there, win games. Now the perception is going to help because he comes in with a resume. But until you start either hiring people that have won other places or getting a quarterback that's won other places or going out there and actually winning, nothing's going to change it. No slogan. You could pay million dollars to some ad agency to come up with the slogan of the year like the Mets. You gotta believe, you know, or something ridiculous. You know, the, the old gas. No break that solid throughout the. Doesn't Matter actually just becomes a punchline when you go out there and still lose 20 to nothing every week. So you gotta put the. You gotta put the horse before the card and start winning games. And there's no process, there's no shortcut to that.

[Alan Hahn]

No easy button. No, no, no easy. The only easy button.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's no easy way out.

[Alan Hahn]

There's no shortcut home. No, I mean, the only way is you get the number one pick and you come away with a franchise. Changing quarterback, and even that in Cincinnati, as we've seen, doesn't exactly fix all your problems. Like, so you still have to have stable. This is why the Ravens are who they are. The Steelers are who they are. That year after year. You could even argue this is why the Patriots are what they are. Because even though they had a dip, man, they've come right back with a vengeance, haven't they? And why? Steady, stable, strong ownership, correct leadership and the ability, the stones to make tough decisions when they're necessary. And you don't have that with the Jets.

[Dom]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Everything you have there feels like flailing in the dark, hoping to connect on a punch, but you're not even looking at your target when you throw it.

[Dom]

And don't get mad at the slings and arrows that are thrown at you. Use it as motivation to get better, because what else do you expect to get? What do you think the fans are gonna say? You have 15 years, man. Only the Buffalo Sabres are equal to you. And the Sabers still have a half a season to end their streak of 14 straight. Otherwise, if the Sabres find a way to get into the playoffs and they've won, like, what, 12 of their last 13. So I guess there's a possibility of that, right? They will be the longest, all by themselves, of not making the playoffs in North American sports, What do you think people are going to say about you? Do you think they can say nice things? You think Stephen A. Smith is going to come up with compliments, or.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, You. You've earned all of that. Stephen A. Said, you have earned all of that. Again, Garrett, defending it, that's a good sign. But for the franchise, you can't be mad. You've earned all that. And the only person that has been around for all of it is the guy at the top. Right. They should.

[Dom]

They should be mad, just mad at themselves.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They can't figure it out.

[Alan Hahn]

Look in the mirror instead of, you know, because there's.

[Dom]

That's the one thing that makes New York unique. Again, not better, just unique. Is that I do believe that there's a level of accountability that the fans and the media put on these teams. There's not bringing out the pom poms, waving them. Give them another shot, they'll get it right. They expect it to be better and they're going to hold you accountable. And now you're the butt of jokes. And it's not like before the 15 straight years your franchise was any great shakes either, because you haven't won a championship since 1968. But now you've reached a level of embarrassment which is unparalleled.

[Alan Hahn]

Peter, I think we heard the horn in the background. That means we should probably just. It's time now to go to calls. You know what the horn is?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The indicator horn. The horn read my mind. Let's, let's go to the Griftster in Connecticut. What's up, Griff?

[Griff]

Hey, guys, I want to talk about this weekend. These football games. I think they're all very interesting. One, one of the games I just don't understand is why Buffalo is favorited in Jacksonville. I think maybe they're looking at the name Buffalo and it's Josh Allen. It's the Bills because I think Jacksonville is playing red hot football right now. And I know it's crazy to think, but I think they can go on a run because Trevor Lawrence is playing the best football he has in his career. And the one thing they have been good in, good at is they can really stop the run. They've been able to stop the run. Their defense has been very good. So I think this is a bad matchup for the Bills who, by the way, can't stop the run. So how are you going to stop a Jacksonville offense that loves to run the football and can run it pretty well if you can't stop the run? So I just, I think you answered your own question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You answered your own question though, Griffin, that number one part of it is the fact that it's the Buffalo Bills.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You have to remember also, Griff, the public factors in on these lines and the, you know, down. The public loves Buffalo. They're a very popular team.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's the question. Who's the best player on the field?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Josh Allen.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, so they have the best player on the field. In a playoff game, the best player on the field is usually the way you lean, especially when the best player on the field is in a very important position. So you're leaning that way. But you have every right to say Jacksonville at home, red hot down the stretch, ability to stop the run so that. That then tries to force the money towards Jacksonville. Right.

[Dom]

Well, that's who. If I had to bet the game, I'm going to bet on Buffalo. More experience with his. Trevor Lawrence have one playoff win in his career. Josh Allen hasn't been to. Gave it all the hump, but. But he's won quite a bit.

[Alan Hahn]

It's also one and a half. So we're not talking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not a huge line. Right.

[Dom]

You know. You know, a road. A road favorite.

[Griff]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Dom]

And there's no respect for the South.

[Alan Hahn]

That too.

[Dom]

And. But we'll see. That's why you play it.

[Griff]

Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

Spicy game though, boys. Right? That's the only spice to it. Even though it's Jacksonville and you feel like that's one of those.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now Buffalo knocks it off a Thursday.

[Alan Hahn]

It does knock it off a Thursday, but it makes it a Saturday at noon.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Dom]

The only dog. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Alan Hahn]

All I'm going to say is, but if Jacksonville pulls off a win there, I mean, you're talking about just flipping the table in the AFC now. Just flip the table.

[Dom]

Well, then it's anybody's game.

[Alan Hahn]

Anybody.

[Dom]

But I think the only dog this weekend is. Is Panthers. Rams.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Dom]

Right. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think the Chargers are a real dog, too. Me personally, well, I've watched a lot of Chargers football. I. I think they're a real dog against the Patriots.

[Alan Hahn]

Really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do.

[Alan Hahn]

I think that's good. First of all, the coaching matchup alone to me makes that one dead sexy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, listen, they're not a big dog, right? But. But I, I think.

[Alan Hahn]

What is this?

[Dom]

Well, I don't. I don't give him a chance to go to the wingle and win the game. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just not a very sexy game. It's not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I thought you were saying the only true. No, Alan, was it. You just said only true underdog.

[Dom]

No, no, I think I know. I'd like. I said the one. I forget the word I used. It was like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you meant a dog of a game.

[Dom]

A dog of. It's a repug.

[Alan Hahn]

You're using.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're using dog in the Donald Trump sense. A dirty dog. You didn't mean game.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a Sunday. NBC is not taking a dog. That's a good one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no. For the Chargers.

[Dom]

Pats.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don was talking about that. You thought the only dirty dog of a game was the Rams. Panthers.

[Dom]

I think Rams. Panthers is just homely hairy mole game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's one of those dogs, they have the overbite. It's under bite. Very strange looking.

[Dom]

It's a moly moly moly moly moly moly moly game.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, I hear what you're saying, but yeah, you can. They just do a thing on the brat. This really bothers me, guys. The playoff bracket, when you just look at the bracket and not scores, my brain, when I look at the list, like a listing of a game. When you guys see a top team and a bottom team listed, what does your brain automatically tell you? Like, yeah, the bottom team's home. Correct? Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So on the bracket it annoys me because in the NFL bracket on espn, you know, Chargers are the bottom team, but they're the seven seed. It's just like the way they list it is the seed being higher. So it keeps messing with my brain when I look at the bracket.

[Dom]

Yeah, I don't care for that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that's the Chargers going to New England. Yeah, they're a real. Even though I misunderstood, Don, I do think the Chargers are a real underdog in New England and I really think it's, I really think New England is the outright favorite in the conference right now. No disrespect to the Broncos. I just, I got my share of watching the Broncos this year, guys. I, I, they have a superb defense, as we know. I just, I'm believing in variable in them, boys.

[Alan Hahn]

Really am.

[Dom]

Because then it comes to quarterbacks, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Dom]

So that's why you're taking Drake May over Bonix.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. You got, and you got two very inexperienced ones. So who do you trust in a big spot? And May has given you some big spot moments this year. How about Dennis and center each there, Pete?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, okay, sure. And Anthony just told me in my ear, if you're wondering. Broncos plus 230 to win the conference. Patriots plus 390. So Vegas does not agree with me at all. Let's go to Dennis. What's up, Dennis?

[Dennis]

Yeah, what's up, guys?

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, I want to give a take.

[Dennis]

On the Garrett Wilson comments because I kind of disagree with you guys. I don't see him sticking up for the Jets. I think he's sticking up for himself. Like, yo, I need a quarterback on this team. Don't be scaring away these guys.

[Alan Hahn]

And you know I'm right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what I'm doing.

[Alan Hahn]

I think there's something to that as well. Like don't, yeah, don't tell people they shouldn't Come here. We, we need somebody. But in a world where defending.

[Dom]

But in a world where guys are planning their exit strategy, he's, he's doing it from a place of I want a quarterback as I plan on staying here. Yeah, get me the hell out of here.

[Dennis]

This is my issue with Garrett Wilson.

[Dom]

Two guys.

[Dennis]

He's not the reason. But Alan, you reported this or you brought this up last year, you didn't get along with Aaron Rodgers. He didn't get along with Devonte Adams. He wanted Justin Fields. They played together in college. Aaron Rodgers is throwing game winning touchdowns to go to the playoffs to Calvin, Austin, Marquez, Valdez, Scantling. Devonte Adams led the league in touchdowns and is going to be on a really good playoff team. So you know, Gary Wilson, you got what you asked for. So I, if he asked out, I thought that would be kind of like hypocritical.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it. I get what you're saying, Dennis. I completely understand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's an interesting point. He was clearly. Garrett was clearly unhappy with the Rodgers situation.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you could see it because demonstratively, the minute that Devonte got there was almost like you became, you know, Persona non grata.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Little did he know that they would manage to both have a pretty bad season.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. And by the way, a missed field goal away from Rodgers not having a playoff game.

[Dom]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. We all have that one friend.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm talking about the yo yos who.

[Dom]

Set themselves on fire and bathe in.

[Don Hahn]

Pork and beans or know that one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Person I'm here with, my family who.

[Don Hahn]

Can'T help but be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's not cool. His voice is weird. He's kind of a dork. His brother's a tool. His girlfriend's annoying.

[Don Hahn]

That.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That guy.

[Dom]

I didn't know it was banner night. We won't be out for that.

[Don Hahn]

It's Time for that Guy Thursday.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey guys, anyone want to play some.

[Don Hahn]

Ball with Don Hahn and Rosenberg?

[Dom]

He's just being that guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

They weren't supposed to win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're not supposed to be here competing for a national championship. And so now here comes Lane Kiffin trying to get his assistance to come back to come with him as they're preparing for a college football semifinal. Here's Jimbo Fisher on the ACC Network with some thoughts on Lane Kiffin now.

[Jimbo Fisher]

It's selfish. That's what it is. It's stupid. He wanted to coach and thought he didn't get his way. So everybody get on the plane with me. You don't have a job. And he makes them all go. Then he gets down there and takes a PR hit because it looks bad that you really don't care about the kids. Then he says, okay, you can go back. But here's where he screwed up. He thought they're going to lose to Georgia. The portal Thing was all over with, and it was going to be all over with. He said, okay, I'll look like a hero. Now he's got egg on his face because the real Lane came back out. And if those guys were allowed to coach the first game, they shouldn't be allowed to coach because those guys are doing. Those kids are doing something that you get one time in your life to ever do. That team and those guys, one time. And as a coach, listen, I know I've left a job. I get that. But if you. If you took them all and took them all and said they're never coming back, that's fine. You set the rules of the game. You don't change the rules in the middle of the game. As a coach, it's hurting the kids, and it pisses me off.

[Alan Hahn]

I love when he says hero, hero, hero.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll tell you who.

[Alan Hahn]

Anything else he said after that, I didn't really hear it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll tell you who it reminds me of.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh. Oh, no. There we go. Oh, boy. It's a matter of time. First time in 2026, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

He's back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just. It really gets my goose gossage. When I hear people besmirching the game of college football. And the thing that bothers me the most about Elaine Kiffin, because I used to know Elaine. We spent summers together. His dad, Papa Joe Kiffin, knew my dad, Papa Joe.

[Alan Hahn]

Keegan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Kiffin and Keegan, as you can imagine, they were like two hogs in mud. Got along real good. And so I used to know Lane Kiffin. And what bothers me is not so much the way that he purports himself to be as a foosball coach. It's. It's the fact that he was given this opportunity at LSU when I happen to think there's some very, very talented college football minds who deserve that opportunity.

[Alan Hahn]

Such as?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I'm gonna start off with one, because I'm not biased. I'm gonna start off with one.

[Alan Hahn]

His name's Freddie Keith.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about me, coach? Do you understand what my job entailed down there in North Cackalacky this year? I had to go grocery shopping with old Billy boy's little girlfriend. You know how embarrassing that is to walk around with a hot little number like that? And you just push the grocery cart while she go, oh, should I get this mango or that mango? I don't care what mango you get. But that's what he had me doing. You know what it's like when someone goes, hey, Keisha, are You tapping that and you go, no, no, no. I'm just pushing her damn grocery cart. It's embarrassing. Here's Pete. Here's Pete golden, the acting, the new coach at Ole Miss, former DC under Lane Kiffin with a message to Lane Kiffin. Turn me up. Louder. Sorry. Oh, I gotta turn off keychain. I got it.

[Dom]

Here we go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A message for anybody else, right? Our team had a message.

[Dom]

They had a message about how they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Prepared and how they play and that they weren't tired of playing. And I do think the message is I'm replaceable. You're replaceable. Our players are replaceable, right. I think you want to build a program to where it's heading in the right direction and one person, one player or anything like that's not going to derail that. There's been too much invested in that and it's been aligned correctly. That one person is not going to impact something so drastically if you do. If it is, it's probably not built right. I don't really understand what he said there.

[Alan Hahn]

Everybody's replaceable, right?

[Dom]

Lane Kevin didn't make a difference.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't Lane, Kiki is what he's saying, right? He wasn't. It wasn't your team. We got a lot more ball to play. It's 7:30 tonight. Either of you guys checking in? Dom will not be able to. Allen, are you dialing in to one of the ESPN broadcasts for the college.

[Alan Hahn]

Football player on my phone? Because I'll be in the middle of glorious yacht rock tonight and honey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, that's right. Well that might be on the TVs though.

[Alan Hahn]

It could be on the TV.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I could see that being on a TV over there.

[Alan Hahn]

Hoping so because yeah, I will be checking in. It'll be tough tomorrow for me because I, you know, the, the Knicks play later and I got to keep one eye on the, the quarterback challenge because you're going to get, oh yeah, the number one and number two picks just playing against each other. So that's going to be fun to watch tomorrow. But yeah, I'll have it again. If not, if it's not on a TV near me, I definitely will have it on the phone. Just keep an eye on it.

[Dom]

Of course this doesn't feel like college football to me anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

Why?

[Dom]

It's because there's nothing about it that has anything to do with college.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, no, it's just players are getting paid.

[Dom]

They're all looking to go into the poor portal to get more money to go someplace else. Now it's small Market, big market. Who's got the biggest boosters? Who's got the richest boosters? Coaches contracts aren't worth the paper that they're printed on.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Dom]

You know, guys leaving school early, it's. Yeah. I don't know. Listen, it was. It was. It was hokey to begin with because we all knew these players were being taken advantage of. And now I think they went too far the other way. And it's minor league football, but it's still immensely popular because so much is invested. These people that graduated from there still love college football, but it's not what college football is supposed to be. And you still air it, you know, when you show the student section and the cheerleaders and this idea that it's still coming from a place of amateur football. And, you know, it's not. It's laughable. So enjoy it. I mean, I enjoy it at times because it's football. I love football. But don't try to tell me that there's some kind of purity to it. Don't try to tell me that this has anything to do with what we grew up.

[Alan Hahn]

The student athlete thing, which we kind of scoffed at in the. In the. Right.

[Dom]

Of course.

[Alan Hahn]

30 years we scoffed at student athlete. You know, like my son. We always joke. My son always jokes. You know, I didn't come here to play school. Which was, of course, the famous line from the. The Ohio State quarterback. What was his name? It was a hilarious line. But that's. That's kind of the mentality. Right. I didn't come here to play school.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Dom]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

So that's. That's what it's about. Now we just have to accept it. Like that's. It's reality. That's Cardell Jones. Right. Like, that was. That's just kind of what has happened. And at least now what we used to wonder about or joke about or wink about, now it's just out in the open. Right? Right. Because that's all it is. I mean, remember when the one and done ERA guys would be on campus for a semester?

[Dom]

Oh, that's.

[Alan Hahn]

You were a memory that you. You were barely casting a shadow on some of these campuses before you were. You were out after one semester. It didn't matter if you failed out in semester two, because the season was already over and you were spending most of your time working out, getting ready for the NBA draft. So it's the same thing in football now. So it is what it is. It's a big business. It does very well, and it's a feeder system to the NFL. That's really all it's about now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. Since we're already here, guys, let's do it. I have another piece of audio that's for enn, but anytime I see this guy's name, I know he's perfect for that guy. Thursday. Fernando Mendoza.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, boy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's your favorite pre game hype song?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pre game, obviously, don't listen to hype songs. I gotta stay calm, cool, and collected. I actually meditate before the game. I meditate, I pray, and I think praying is, in a way, meditation to help myself be in my thoughts and being able to execute the plan as quarterbacks in a cerebral position. It was worse than that. I don't know if you guys saw the whole clip.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was. It was worse, though. He talked about, like, how he loves listening to Pop on his way to class because he likes to get focused so he can learn.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don. He is going to be like. If you think Russell Wilson is kind of weird, like, I. And this is messed up, but we've seen it time and time again, guys. I don't know if you can be this much of a. And this is the only word I can think of that's appropriate here. Dorcas Mallorcus, dare I say and be. And be a leader of grown men on. In a football team. I don't know if he can.

[Alan Hahn]

He's straight out of central casting for a 1950s college football movie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Alan Hahn]

That. It's. That's what it is. He. It is. Look, it's kind of interesting to see him in the NFL, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just don't know if it can work, man.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it works if he wins, if he's slinging it, if he's on. If he's on target, if he's got. If he's got the whole offense, you know, memorized, then everybody's like, yeah, I love him.

[Dom]

Hey, you can be as corny as you want to be if you throw in 50 touchdowns a year.

[Alan Hahn]

That is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is true. It works if you're, like, perfect. But if you're. If you're good and then you. And you have some cracks, you don't get the benefit of the doubt from the locker room that you do when they think you're cool. It's messed up, but it's true.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, Russell Wilson, early in his career, no one. No one, really. Everybody overlooked all that stuff. It wasn't until it started to fall apart in Seattle that it. All the whispers came out about how much the Other guys didn't really. That is a good point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, Marshawn was forced to deal with it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He might have not liked him. It might have not been Marshawn's cup of tea, but at the end of the day, when you're winning 13 games, it really doesn't matter.

[Alan Hahn]

Protect your chicken. Can I get a. That guy in or.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Please do. No, go. Go ahead.

[Alan Hahn]

So that guy for me is Giannis Atenokounmpo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Alan Hahn]

He's being that guy. So did you see what he said to the athletic? This is a quote. We don't have audio because it was an interview with the athletic. It was a written interview. So there will never be a chance, and there will never be a moment that I will come out and say, I want to trade. That's not in my nature. And then he says this part. My plan is to be here for the rest of my career. If they don't want me, I'm not the one one in charge. I am an employee. End quote. Now, guys, we all know what is going on here and what happened here. It has been made clear a million times. It is. He's playing the semantical game of I never asked to be traded. What my agent does, that's up to him.

[Dom]

Oh, that's always a classic.

[Alan Hahn]

Right? And then works for you. Here's the thing. So the Knicks could have traded for him in August. They couldn't come to a deal. Didn't happen. The first chance he got to play against the Knicks, he was a. Like, he was possessed in that game, yelling stuff, screaming things, because he took that personal. Oh, you don't want me. Right. The next time the Knicks played him, nothing. Quiet. Then James Dolan says, we're not really looking to break this team up. We're not looking to make some mega trade right now. We kind of like this team. We don't want to do anything. So now Giannis knows I'm stuck here because. Do you remember a couple of weeks ago when the story came out that his agent was working with the Bucks on deciding what to do going forward? Right.

[Dom]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So we all know the dirty little secret is Giannis wants out of there. He thinks he's done enough in Milwaukee, but now that he knows the one place he wants to go is not available to him, rather than him saying, well, I'll go to some other place because I just want to get out of here. Instead, he knows I got to sit tight and I got to wait. He's never going to ask for a trade. I Have said that a million times. Because he doesn't want to be the guy that said I want out. What he wants the bucks to do is to realize Giannis is not going to sign an extension. We can't let him walk. We have to trade him. That's this summer. Why you just say nothing? Giannis just don't say anything here.

[Dom]

Doesn't want to own it, but don't say anything.

[Alan Hahn]

You're being that guy. We all know. We all know Giannis, and it's okay for you to feel this way. So he's being that guy. Agree or disagree.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, 100. Whoa. I also say 100%, Don.

[Dom]

Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's. No, he really is. And, like, he's too good to get to the point where you're like, you know what? I'm all set. Because he's that good. But if he wasn't that good, Alan, I'd be saying, I'm all set. All right, that'll do it for that guy. Thursday.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gets no better than this one.

[Alan Hahn]

It's really good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Certified bop. Just a certified bop. There's no question.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a great way to put it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, listen, somebody comes in for.

[Griff]

A second, you ain't crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

I. He still has this voice, right? Like, even though he's older, doesn't he still hit this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I. He said I. When I saw him, it was now, I guess we're going on two years that I saw his last show. What he said was his last show at the Beacon in New York. He sounded damn good. I mean, like. Yeah. Pretty close, right? Pretty close.

[Alan Hahn]

Because that's. That's a very unique voice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, sir, certainly more so than, you know, God bless him, my all time goat.

[Don Hahn]

Certainly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Certainly more so than Paul Simon who's, like, lost the voice. It's just a lot of it's not there. He had some things happen and he can't hit it. Kenny's pretty close, and Paul Simon never had that sort of range that Kenny Loggins has.

[Dom]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But. Although, can I tell you, though, I do think, Don, that Paul Simon, and in his prime, I do think his voice gets a little underrated. Well, people act like he practically doesn't have a voice at all.

[Dom]

Is he's, you know, for a good portion of his career, he's teamed with an absolute angel of a voice in our Garfunkel. So when Simon and Garfunkel came out, it was like, well, Art's the voice and Simon's the. The. Right. The poet and the musician of the band. And you. You see that? Because I saw Paul solo and he'll perform Bridge Over Troubled Water, and he just can't. He can't do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, but that's not. But that's the. I mean, of all the songs where you go, oh, my God, Art Garfunkel has the voice of an angel, that's the number one you're pointing to. When it came to, like, you know, them together on things like Mrs. Robinson, Paul absolutely held his own. And they're.

[Dom]

Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's. But he wrote that. I mean, that was, you know, that was supposed to be for Art. That was what the song was intended to be.

[Dom]

That's what made them great, is that he knew what he was working with and he was able to. He was able to write that because he knew that art could go there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, I want to. I want to say something else about this, but before I do that, I want to hit you with the game time brought to you by telling More Diaries.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Dom]

I need it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because when it's game time, it's Tully time.

[Alan Hahn]

It's Tully time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rangers and the Sabres with coverage immediately following us on 880 at 630. Then the devils are in Pittsburgh against My Gwyn's, Sid the Kid and the Pens hosting the Devils coming off that big -9 victory from the other night.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, Bounce back for the devil. So. Right. Right. Diablos tonight. I mean, if you don't. If you don't.

[Dom]

They've won five in a row. Sidney's found the fountain of youth. He's got points in seven straight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nice rolling.

[Dom]

Yeah, he's amazing, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Dom]

You're the perfect person to ask this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll answer.

[Dom]

It is that we give LeBron the love because at 41, he's still playing amazing. Sure, it's ridiculous, But Crosby, at 39, I think, has surpassed that. Like he's. He's got 20 holes. That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a great question.

[Dom]

Just not. He's not a passenger. You know, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But neither's LeBron.

[Dom]

But he's not LeBron. And look. And Sid's not Sid, but he's going to have 80 plus points. A 39 year old. He's incredible.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's. I'm trying to decide who I think is. It's more psychotic, I guess. I'll say this though, Don. We've seen more hockey players do crazy things deep in their career than we have basketball. So, like the LeBron thing, so unfamiliar. I mean, the other day, I'm sure. I'm sure Alan saw it. Saw it. Maybe you did too, Don. There was him catching an alley oop where his head is a foot above the rim still.

[Dom]

No, he's amazing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just LeBron's a complete freakazoid. You never see anything like this. But I was gonna say the one thing about Paul Simon here. As we close out the big 4 o' clock hour and then every single phone line jammed. So we're gonna go all calls starting at 5:00'. Clock. A lot of Harbaugh to talk about. And a devil's call we'll get to as well. So a lot of people to get to. Coming up in just a couple minutes. But since we're closing out the hour. Don, I finally listened to Paul Simon on Howard Stern. Have you ever listened to the full, like two hour interview?

[Dom]

I have not, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I listened to it and I'm a huge Paul Simon fan, and yet I found myself annoyed with how sycophantic it was from Howard.

[Dom]

Like, really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he was just like, he was doing the thing. I think Howard likes to do a thing where in order to get an interviewee comfortable, he like makes it sound like he's just on their side on everything, you know, and he was kind of like joking, like, what's wrong with Garfunkel? Like, why do. Why did he care more about his movie career? You know, blah, blah, blah. And as a result, he never sort of pushed Paul Simon on, like, the. This is what I wanted to hear. Like, you guys are 80 years old. How is it right now? Wouldn't you like your relationship to be good when it's all, like, said and done? Because everybody knows that Paul was kind of a jerk at times to Garfunkel. And I just feel like even big fans of Paul Simon and he didn't push him on it at all. I thought it was a huge disappointment.

[Dom]

That's what I would want to hear out of a two hour interview, to be honest with you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, Paul, when he was talking about Art Garfunken, was calling him Artie still, Like, he still talked about him only nicely. He didn't say anything nasty. But I thought there was such an opportunity to just be like, do you have any regret that you were kind of so sensitive and you clearly kind of came off as jealous at times and he just didn't push. Instead, he was like, well, if I was Art Garfunkel, I would have. I would have cut that movie off in two seconds and run back to be with Paul Simon. And I was like, well, carnal knowledge, that's. That's exactly. You bet your ace. How was that film done that, you.

[Dom]

Know, Jack Nicholson and it wasn't bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you didn't watch it 120 times.

[Dom]

No, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don, Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

[Alan Hahn]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good.

[Don Hahn]

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