Hour 2: Talk About It Tuesday

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg - Hour 2: Talk About It Tuesday

Date: October 14, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Podcast: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Talk About It Tuesday" sees Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg dive into the rapidly evolving landscape of college sports eligibility, with a spirited debate about the blurred lines between amateur and professional athletics. They then transition to a deep, nostalgic appreciation of "Back to the Future" on its 40th anniversary, discussing why it's one of the most enduring and emotionally impactful films ever made. The episode closes with an important public health announcement regarding former Jets center Nick Mangold’s search for a kidney donor.

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Key Topics & Detailed Breakdown

1. The New Wild West of College Athlete Eligibility

[02:43–10:53]

NCAA Rules, NIL & Professional Pathways

• Peter Rosenberg introduces a little-discussed trend: players moving from pro leagues back to the NCAA, enabled by updated rules recognizing some minor leaguers (who didn't earn much) as amateurs.
  • "Did you know...you can play professional sports and then decide, I want to go to college?" (Peter Rosenberg, 02:50)
• Example: Abdullah Ahmed, former G-Leaguer, now with collegiate offers from teams like Auburn, BYU, and UCLA.
• Explanation of the NCAA's logic: minor-league pros may regain amateur status if they didn't earn significant income.
• This flexibility in eligibility is also happening in hockey, with cases like Justin Gill (played AHL/ECHL, now in college).
• The change creates a system where athletes can test the pro waters and return to college—something previously prohibited.

Debate: Good for the Sport?

• Alan Hahn draws attention to the end of amateurism in college sports:
  • "You can't be half pregnant. This is where we are now." (Alan Hahn, 06:15)
  • Adds that this could especially change non-revenue sports too—not just football/basketball.
• Don La Greca notes it "makes sense," given that all college athletes are essentially professionals now.
• Rosenberg floats the idea of college as an explicit feeder, or minor league, to the pros and ponders "what’s the harm now?"

Implications & Philosophical Shifts

• Possible for a player to go undrafted in the NFL, land on a practice squad, then return to college ball—with NIL money on the table. (07:06–07:36)
• Alan Hahn flips it: what if pro teams facilitate player returns to college for development?
  • "Make college football like the G League in the NBA." (Alan Hahn, 08:18)
• Everybody acknowledges the hypocrisy of maintaining the "amateur" label in college sports when big money, frequent transfers, and paid athletes are the norm.
• On accountability:
  • "You're not a student athlete. You're a professional. And that means also that I should be allowed to criticize you...he's making more money than some professors are." (Alan Hahn, 10:09)

Consensus

• The hosts agree this shift is now irreversible:
  • "Listen, whether I'm for it or against it, it's where we are now." (Don Hahn, 10:43)

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2. "Back to the Future" - Nearing its 40th Anniversary

[11:01–15:43]
A classic "Talk About It Tuesday" transition, the conversation swings to nostalgia and pop culture.

The Upcoming 40-Year Milestone

• The trio reminisce about the time-travel dates within the movie and plans to celebrate the anniversary with screenings.
  • Disagreement and research into the exact fictional timeline of the films.
• Alan and Don reflect on the iconic "Enchantment Under the Sea" dance and its November date.

Perfect Movie, Universal Appeal

• Peter Rosenberg boldly asserts:
  • "If I have to choose one movie that gives me all the feels, makes me laugh, makes me think, it has all the things in it...Back to the Future has absolutely everything." (Peter Rosenberg, 13:07)
• They discuss why it's arguably a "perfect" film—plot, generational appeal, feels.
  • "It gives you the full Jimmy V experience. Make you think, make you laugh, make you cry. That's a full day." (Peter Rosenberg, 14:18)
• Comparison to other 80s movies like "Ferris Bueller's Day Off":
  • "As much as Ferris Bueller has heart...it doesn't have that thing that makes you truly feel." (Don Hahn, 15:10)
• They discuss what makes an '80s movie' vs. a 'movie made in the 80s.'
  • "You hire one of the biggest acts at the time, Huey Lewis and the News, to do the soundtrack...it cannot just be labeled as an 80s movie." (Alan Hahn, 17:51)
• The hosts credit Michael J. Fox's performance and reflect on the broader impact of the film and its cast.

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3. Fame, Legacy, and Accepting Signature Roles

[19:04–22:31]

Michael J. Fox & Back to the Future’s Place in Film History

• Discussion extends to how Fox—and actors generally—come to terms with being primarily remembered for one iconic role, despite diverse careers.
  • "Marty McFly is forever...if there was a time capsule of what movies were of the last 50 years, I think Marty McFly is standing there." (Don Hahn, 19:37)
• The group then briefly digresses into actors shifting between comedic and dramatic roles, notably Robin Williams and Jim Carrey, debating who made the better leap and why.

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4. Community & Health: Nick Mangold's Kidney Transplant Call

[22:47–25:36]

A Serious Segment

• Alan Hahn shares an emotional statement from former Jets center Nick Mangold, who is now in need of a kidney transplant due to chronic kidney disease.
  • "He needs us...I am in need of a kidney donor with type O blood." (Alan Hahn, 23:04)
• Mangold’s plea to Jets and Ohio State communities:
  • Go to columbiasurgery.org/kidney-transplant and use "Nicholas Mangold" and his birth date (January 13, 1984) to see if you could be a potential match.
  • Hahn encourages listeners to spread the word and consider donating.
• The hosts reflect on Mangold’s career and contributions to both sports and community.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On college sports' blurred lines:
  “You can’t be half pregnant. This is where we are now.”
  — Alan Hahn, [06:15]

• On ‘amateur’ athletes:
  “You’re not a student athlete. You’re not an amateur anymore. You’re a professional. And that means also that I should be allowed to criticize you.”
  — Alan Hahn, [10:09]

• On "Back to the Future":
  "If I have to choose one movie that gives me all the feels, makes me laugh, makes me think…it has all the things in it…Back to the Future has absolutely everything."
  — Peter Rosenberg, [13:07]

• On accepting your signature role:
  "It's a great topic...people accepting when they were known for that. This is who you are instead of fighting it."
  — Don Hahn, [20:19]

• Mangold’s plea:
  "I am in need of a kidney donor with type O blood. If you are willing to find out if you could be a match and donate a kidney to me, please go to this site..."
  — Alan Hahn (reading Nick Mangold's statement), [23:04]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [02:43] – Rosenberg introduces the new college/pro eligibility debate
• [06:15] – Hahn’s “half pregnant” analogy on the end of amateurism
• [10:09] – Big money, big accountability: "You're not an amateur anymore"
• [13:07] – Back to the Future: argument for best all-around movie
• [14:18] – On what makes a movie "perfect"
• [19:37] – Marty McFly as a cultural time capsule
• [23:04] – Emotional reading of Nick Mangold's public health statement

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Tone & Style

The conversation is lively, opinionated, and blends sports debate with pop culture and human interest—a signature mix for these hosts. Hahn often takes the big-picture philosophical stance, Rosenberg drives the passionate personal takes, and La Greca provides balancing context and personal anecdotes. The tone moves swiftly from energetic and joking to seriously empathetic during real-life community moments.

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Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Time for let's Talk about It Tuesday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's he doing with his mic?

[Alan Hahn]

What's going on there?

[Don Hahn]

What? I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you break it again?

[Don Hahn]

I didn't do anything. I just sat a little lower. So I'm so jet lagged right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You must be.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

Being on the other side of the planet's a thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is that. Yeah. Is that, is that tough?

[Don Hahn]

I guess right now it's 4am for me. It's 4:30am so it's, it's so one of the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're looking at least 2am though. So you're getting there.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you.

[Alan Hahn]

Janet, who I work out with at the Kickbox.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Just got back from Greece, so. And she says she's jet lagged. I'm going to tell her, no, that's not. I know a guy that was on the other side of the planet for two seconds. Greece is around the corner. You could walk it.

[Don Hahn]

Greece is like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Greece is the word.

[Don Hahn]

Greece is the word.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's two 70s references I made in like one little conversation. Don. No reaction.

[Don Hahn]

Well, what do you.

[Alan Hahn]

What do you want me to say?

[Don Hahn]

What he's doing? Yes, by the way, real quick. It's all brought to you by Better Health. Mental health is health.

[Alan Hahn]

What was the other.

[Don Hahn]

Speaking of health.

[Alan Hahn]

So speaking of why is he mad? Why does everybody get mad on this show?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just said don't worry about it.

[Alan Hahn]

I wanted to get to something more.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Important, which is these pumpkin cheesecake cookies.

[Don Hahn]

Who made these?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Atlanta. She made them.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Unreal.

[Don Hahn]

You probably can't hear us because they don't have us at an audible volume.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really? They don't play our station out at our station?

[Alan Hahn]

No, they do.

[Don Hahn]

It's just literally, you'd have to have like a dog. A dog can hear it, humans can't hear it. But those cookies softness. You don't usually have a homemade cookie that's. That's that soft.

[Alan Hahn]

It's pumpkin cheesecake. You know, I feel about. I'm not a cheesecake guy. No, you are. This though, this is wonderful.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it was delightful. It's that good cookie. So what I want to talk about it, guys. It's something that really isn't getting talked about enough.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We know that the landscape of college sports has changed dramatically with Nil, right? Yeah, sure we do. But did, you know, change everything. That you can play professional sports and then decide, I want to go to college.

[Don Hahn]

What do you mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's happening right now. So the most recent story is Abdullah Ahmed. He's got six offers from Division 1 schools, big ones like Auburn, BYU, UCLA, like Houston, Louisville. He's 21 years old. He played two seasons for the Westchester Knicks in the G League.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then just decided like, you know what? You know what? I have, I haven't, I didn't go to college. I went straight to the, you know, straight into pro. This already has happened in September. Thierry Darlin, he played in the G League. He signed with Santa Clara. So he's already in, in hockey, it's, it's rampant. Five teams have done this. The most recent, Merrimack signed Justin Gill, a fifth round pick of the Islanders who played in Bridgeport last season. But because obviously it's like, well, you know, he played in Canada. Canadian juniors used to not be eligible to be college play college hockey. So when you are finished your junior eligibility, you have nowhere to go, so you try to go pro. So he did, he signed pro and played a season, actually two seasons, I believe in the ECHL and the AHL. But because he's, I guess, 21, and now there's rules where the NCAA, which it's no longer used to be the Clearinghouse, now it's the eligibility center, and you can apply for amateur status. And the NCAA is now granting it. And their reasoning is this saying that players are now eligible because when you play like minor league sports, you didn't earn enough money to cover college expenses. So it's one thing if you played like in the NBA and you, you know, $5 million in your first season, you're not going to be eligible. But because you played like G league or minor league hockey, they're saying that there's. You, you didn't make enough money to cover your college expenses. So your amateur status is then approved. And so what you're seeing now is an influx. It's. You're starting to see pros who go right out of. Whether it's high school or right out of whatever they are. If they aren't satisfied with their first year in playing pro, they now can do. Can play college sport.

[Alan Hahn]

They.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That never used to be allowed.

[Don Hahn]

Well, yeah, of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the wild, wild west.

[Don Hahn]

It does. It does make sense, though, when you think about it, considering everyone's basically a professional.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But. No, but you remember the old story about baseball was you got drafted and then you as a high school player and you had a choice.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do I want to go to college like Aaron Judge?

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or do I want to just go right to pros and start my.

[Don Hahn]

You can do both.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You had to pick one, and once you did, that's it. That's it over. Now it's not. So I imagine we're going to see this in baseball coming soon as well. For players who don't want to get stuck in that, you know, single A and low A and have to work your way up. Maybe I'll play college and I'll get a little. Get, you know, work my way faster in the pro game. Do we. Do we think this is fine, or do we think this is now where college sports is no longer amateur sports? It really is now fair game to anyone at any time.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, guys, you can't be half pregnant. I mean, this is where we are now. Right? So how do you not allow it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what they're arguing.

[Alan Hahn]

These are the pitfalls. And I was never on board. As much as I thought players were being taken advantage of in college, I was never on board with paying them because I knew that this was all gonna happen. And now it's happening now you got small market, big market, now you have their professionals. So it's not amateur anymore. And it just. It blows everything up. And everybody looks at football and basketball because those are the sports that everybody pays attention to in college. But how does it affect, you know, volleyball teams or in the case of. Or hockey and baseball that aren't traditionally big around the country, college sports, but obviously are affected professionally. Right. So as you said, and now the different decisions are being made by it. So, like football.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Football is a great example. Think about this. If you're a guy like, I wonder if there's a way to go back if you leave a school, try to go in the NFL, maybe you go undrafted, maybe you just decide, I want to sign, see if I can make it. And then you find yourself on a, on a, or you get drafted, but you only make a practice. You're a seventh round pick, whatever it is, and you end up on a practice squad. And yeah, they don't make any money at all.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And so you say, well, you know what, do I really want to be on a practice squad? Let me just go back to school. Right, right. I'll just, I'll go back to school, I'll get some nil, make a little.

[Don Hahn]

Money and I'll probably play more because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It used to be you wanted to if you went to, went pro. All right, now I'm, at least I'm getting paid, you know, if I get hurt. You didn't want to get hurt, so you, you didn't want to stay in college. Now, like, could we see a scenario where guys will go back from the NFL because they're not making a roster back to their college teams? This is opening the door for all of them. There's no minor league in the NFL, but there is the practice.

[Alan Hahn]

Let me ask you this. You're looking at it from the player's perspective. What about the team's perspective? All right, I'm the Giants. Let's say I kept Tommy DeVito, right? Let's say he's a little bit younger.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Can't play him. He clears waivers on the practice squad. You know what? Go play for Rutgers. Get to play, get to play in the Big Ten. I don't know why you're playing on Saturday. You're just down the road. Let's find you, you know, let's find you a college that needs a quarterback. Go play for a little bit so you get some reps, kind of make the college, kind of make college football like the G League in the NBA.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I never understood why you couldn't draft the player, sign him and then say do not stay in college.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, because there was the amateur status which doesn't exist anymore. So are we in, are we out?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what I wanted to talk about. Are we at a point now.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where we just should just. Instead the lines are blurred so much now that we might as well just connect this, connect the college game as a feeder system to the pros, which we know it is, but it can't be a one way street and it's clearly not anymore. If you could go back to school or if you never went, if you went straight from high school in. And you just decide, you know what? Because, because there is this, there is this under 21 rule. So it's not like a guy who's 30 can do this, but if you're under 21, you have four years. If you are 21 or older, they're only going to grant you like two years eligibility, which is fine, but still.

[Don Hahn]

Still some going back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it benefit. Does it benefit everybody, including the team that drafts you? But it doesn't exist anymore that once I sign, I'm not allowed to play college. That's gone now.

[Alan Hahn]

It's so interesting. It's a. It's a great conversation because college still wants to keep that amateur feel to it.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With the bands in it.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what? Stop it. You're. You're a minor league now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. You guys are get. Your athletes are getting paid. They're transferring left and right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Coaches contracts aren't worth the paper that they're printed on. Right. So it's a free for all. And it's business. It's all about money. So you love to keep a Saturday. The cheerleaders with the pom poms and the. The alumni sitting there and everybody's excited.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I say student athletes.

[Alan Hahn]

You're not a student athlete. You're not an amateur anymore. You're a professional. And that means also that I should be allowed to criticize you. The whole thing was. Oh, don't beat him up. He's just a kid. Well, he's a kid, but he's also making more money than some professionals are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, so I guess as a media member of the fans, why can't I kill him?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's making more money than some professors are.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. So he's making more money to play at that school than the teacher is to teach him. That's what we are. So. Yes. It blurs the lines. We're all for it, though. We all agree.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen, you're.

[Don Hahn]

No issue. Listen, whether I'm for it or against it, it's where we are now. So if you're able to get paid to play college sports, why would I have a problem to be able to go back and play?

[Alan Hahn]

So let's not fake it now.

[Don Hahn]

It's too far along. I'm just thinking about, you know, recently, guys, you know, we're heading towards right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're with days away from Halloween.

[Don Hahn]

Yes. But also NBA season within Halloween. Within that week period, we're going to get come up on the exact dates of the back to the future. The actual date that he. Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Back 1995. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And the date that he went back. And it's the 40 year anniversary.

[Alan Hahn]

And what is the date, do you know?

[Don Hahn]

Is it. I think it's October 28th. And then he ends up back on November 5th, 1955. We looked it up, Alan. Is it November 5th, 1955?

[Alan Hahn]

How do we commemorate this?

[Don Hahn]

Well, there's some screenings. I want to try to see it somewhere. It's got a. It's popping up in the theater a.

[Alan Hahn]

Few places, I believe. We did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We did discuss this a while back.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. That it was coming up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And then. And now it's really up. But it was a while ago when we did this. I'm trying to find the.

[Don Hahn]

The actual date.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Because it's the end of October when He went in 1985, and then the date that he ends up back is in 1955. This is a great chatgpt moment.

[Alan Hahn]

What date was the Enchantment under the Sea dance?

[Don Hahn]

That's the date he has to go back.

[Alan Hahn]

And what date is that?

[Don Hahn]

Well, if I knew any of these dates.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, my point is it's in November.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Because I was going to say, why would you have a dance theme that's not a Halloween theme that close to Halloween?

[Don Hahn]

Well, I don't know if any dance. We had homecomings in October and it's not Halloween themed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, Here we go.

[Don Hahn]

10-25-85. 11-05-55. I was right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. No, no, no, no. See this, this screen grab has October 26 and November 12 of 55.

[Don Hahn]

November 12, 1955.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And October 21, 2015.

[Don Hahn]

And then if you really want to go old school, September 2, 1985.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you're.

[Don Hahn]

If you're a three.

[Alan Hahn]

I think even they want to forget three.

[Don Hahn]

But you remember my hot take, my talk about it Tuesday. As bad as you may have think you may have thought three was, if you end up being like, you know what? I'm gonna throw on Back to the future 3. It's not as bad as you remember.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's really not that bad.

[Alan Hahn]

It's got Godfather 3 vibes in the sense that everybody wants to destroy it.

[Don Hahn]

And then you watch it goes pretty good movie.

[Alan Hahn]

So not bad because I guess the hit was they made two and three simultaneously.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're the dates right there.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's it. October 26th, 1985.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, why does that.

[Don Hahn]

See, so we're coming up on 40 years of that since that actual date.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the first and second films.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not saying. How do I. How do I word this? It's not the greatest movie ever, but it might be close to perfect in the sense of the plot.

[Don Hahn]

You know what you're looking at, Alan?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What am I looking at?

[Don Hahn]

He originally went back, I think on October 25th. Is that at the beginning of two, the next day, cuz he gets back and then they leave again. And the first date you put in on the flux capacitor, the first thing you type in is that date. And I think that may be the day after, which is October 26th. But Don, for me, if I'm absolutely forced to choose, and I know this is relative to our age is all matters. Nostalgia is important to me. It's the greatest movie ever made. If I have to choose one movie that gives me all the feels, makes me laugh, makes me think it has all the things in it. I think Back to the Future has absolutely everything.

[Alan Hahn]

It sounds outrageous, but it's not.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's a perfect movie. Name a movie that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It gives you the full Jimmy V experience.

[Don Hahn]

That's exactly right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Make you think, make you laugh, make you cry. That's a full day.

[Don Hahn]

All the feels. What, what, what else can you like really argue? Is that perfect?

[Alan Hahn]

A movie that everybody gets?

[Don Hahn]

Everybody gets.

[Alan Hahn]

See, that's part of it too. They're better made movies and Academy Award winning movies.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, they're more serious.

[Alan Hahn]

This is something that, but even comedies, like there's, there's, there's.

[Don Hahn]

What's better? But what do you mean better?

[Alan Hahn]

Like, like somebody might like. Well, the greatest comedy. Some like it hot. Right. Like, and maybe that's true and awards and all that, but I'm just saying that 40 years later, it's still. My kids have watched it. They're gonna be 8 years old. Like so it's generational, it's, it's big. But like Ferris Bueller's Day off was, was gigantic. Right? And, and all of, all of Those types of 80s movies all hit very well.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

But this one does seem to take it a step further.

[Don Hahn]

Well, listen, as much as, as, as Ferris Bueller has heart, I don't want to say that movie doesn't have heart. It has heart.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It does.

[Don Hahn]

But what it doesn, it doesn't have that thing that makes you truly feel. You're like, oh my God, I'm getting, I'm getting goosebumps. Ferris has great parts. It doesn't have that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Next year. Yeah, Twist and shout on the parade. Great scene, it's a cool scene, but it's not like it's not the feel. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna, I'll give you that.

[Alan Hahn]

I Got a lot to say coming up.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

We'll have the fun part of the segment first, and that is continuing the conversation about Back to the Future.

[Peter Rosenberg]

See this? This was. This was the jam, Peter. Oh, no, Brown sugar. This was the jam, Don.

[Alan Hahn]

This is.

[Don Hahn]

This is D' Angelo's first smash.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is like 1991.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was. It sure was 95.

[Alan Hahn]

This sounds like something that would be in New Jack City, but New Jack City was much earlier.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Yes. By the way, I want to correct myself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was 95.

[Don Hahn]

They don't give these jobs a chance.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, I was out of college then. Yikes.

[Don Hahn]

You shouldn't know. You shouldn't know any music out of college.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I shouldn't have known this.

[Alan Hahn]

So was I. I graduated college in 92, and that was because I threw two years away. I should have graduated in 90.

[Don Hahn]

Now, I also forgot about that story.

[Alan Hahn]

That spent too much time at the radio station and not going to class. Worked out.

[Don Hahn]

D dropped a third album, by the way, in 2014 that was highly lauded. But there was just a huge G between Voodoo and. And that next album. All right, but we were talking about the future.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The greatest.

[Alan Hahn]

Like. Like way before you started working. I was at the trailer, Yankee Stadium. Michael left early and I had to fill time. And I got reprimanded for this, but I did a whole segment. Might have been two segments on. There's a difference between 80s movies and a movie in the 80s. There's 80s.

[Don Hahn]

We've talked about this a lot.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. So there's, you know, obviously FERRIS Bueller's Day Off. 80s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

80S.

[Don Hahn]

Back to Future movie in the 80s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

See, but people. But that won't fly. Like, if they. If. If son of these movies.

[Don Hahn]

If USA timeless.

[Alan Hahn]

If USA had a weekend of movies like 80s movies, they will put Back to the Future.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Because there are a lot of people that mistakenly put it in with the Ferris Bueller's Day off and. But you can understand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you can understand why the first one. There's a lot of 80s in that. In the beginning when it's just nobody. Marty McFly has like, just the. The kid would just skateboard and shot into the guitar.

[Alan Hahn]

But it's set in the 80s. So that's why, like, Rain man is not an 80s movie. No, it's a movie in the 80s. Because I think part of being an 80s movie. You know what, Like Last American Virgin and all that. A list. And that's good because that we gots coming up tomorrow. I think budget's important. And when you have a big budget and you've got you. You hire one of the biggest acts at the time, Huey Lewis in the News, to do the soundtrack. You hear the big production of the orchestra, music for the movie background, the actors that are. This is a significant movie that cannot just be labeled as an 80s movie.

[Don Hahn]

It's well beyond that. Yes, sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. It's not Sixteen Candles.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly.

[Don Hahn]

Good movies, but they're 80s movies.

[Alan Hahn]

They incorporated music, but they didn't hire Breakfast Club. You know, the Breakfast Club used Simple Mind. They didn't hire Simple Minds to do the soundtrack in 1985. Huey Lewis. They were huge. To land them to do those. So Those were top 40 songs because of the movie.

[Don Hahn]

Well, yeah. Well, as big as Huey Lewis is, Power of Love is his most recognizable song now.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

It became the most important song of his career.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Like everyone who's a part of that movie, it became such a huge part. I was reading a clip from Michael J. Fox's book, which I'd like to read. That has to make Don's. Listen, I've read it. No, the new one.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, it's a new one.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Future Boy.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

Like, kind of about Back to the Future.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've seen that. I think I want to get that.

[Don Hahn]

So in one of the things I read, the excerpts from the book was him talking about how he made the decision to start going to comic cons and stuff, because for many years he didn't. And he didn't, like, kind of realize the, like, what it meant.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Importance.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. And now I think he really understands that for all the cool things he's done, when you stumble on something like a Back to the Future, we can talk Family Ties, you can talk Spin City. There's lots of cool things he did. Marty McFly is forever. That is. That is if there was a time capsule of what movies were of the last 50 years. I think Marty McFly standing there.

[Alan Hahn]

It's an iconic character, but I understand at the time fight. Because you always think you can do better.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

And I don't want to be known as the guy in the vest and being silly because he made Casualties of War. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

He made real Other real.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a serious, like. So that he was trying.

[Don Hahn]

It's a great top. You just came up with a great topic for either a book or a documentary. People the art of people accepting when they. When they accepted that they were known for that. This is who you are instead of fighting it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is who people see.

[Don Hahn]

It happens in sports too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

They're always waiting for the next championship. No, dude, it was. It was the 86 Mets. Like that's who you are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So what would you call it? Your moment. Yeah, like that's your moment.

[Alan Hahn]

The guy that jumps.

[Don Hahn]

Owning your moment.

[Alan Hahn]

The guy that jumps the mind for that is Jim Carrey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Jim Carrey wanted to be Robin Williams. Robin Williams was able to make the move from comedy to being a serious actor. And Jim Carrey did. And some of it wasn't bad.

[Don Hahn]

But now he's fully made it, though, I think.

[Alan Hahn]

No, because right when you see him now, he's goofy again. Because I think he realized that that's really what works for him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's kind of lost it, though.

[Alan Hahn]

No. And he's out. But do you realize.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know if I agree. I don't know if I agree with this assessment. His. His serious stuff is so big.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree.

[Don Hahn]

I think. I think. I think bigger than Robin Williams. Dud. I don't know, man.

[Alan Hahn]

His last movie was the Sonic movie.

[Don Hahn]

Well, these days I think everyone's taking a check from those big movies.

[Alan Hahn]

No, because, well, you don't go back. Robin Williams didn't have to go back.

[Don Hahn]

Wait.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he did.

[Don Hahn]

Wait, if we go. Look, Robin Williams went back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He did silly stuff towards.

[Don Hahn]

And cartoons and kids stuff for sure. If we dig in. Trust me. He went and got the checks. You just didn't have kids yet and you weren't watching them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That might be it.

[Don Hahn]

He definitely went back. Now I'm not. It's an interesting debate who made the transition to serious Better.

[Alan Hahn]

But like, I think Robin Williams. But then Rob Williams, Poet Society. The monster. What's Jim Carrey's biggest serious movie? Gets a cable guy. Because that was a dark comedy.

[Don Hahn]

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. It's a giant. That's a hit.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not as big as the big Robin Williams.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, Truman Shows.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Truman Shows. That was heavy.

[Alan Hahn]

It's on the goofier side.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my God. The what's his face movie. Man on the Moon.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, but.

[Don Hahn]

But. Hell of a movie.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. No, I'm not saying it's not a hell of a movie.

[Don Hahn]

But anyways, we're changing the subject a bit.

[Alan Hahn]

But he's also playing in a comedian.

[Don Hahn]

True, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but we're off topic now.

[Alan Hahn]

We got to veer back yeah, we got a veer back Michael J.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fox.

[Don Hahn]

So at some point he realized and accepted I'm a part of one of the most special things ever. And I think all of them, I think the rest of the cast kind of eventually all accepted, like, oh, we were a part of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, your Biff.

[Don Hahn]

That guy has done other good stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but he's own Biff.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, we got some serious news here. I got to know Nick Mangold when we did the jets, and he's a gem. He's a great guy.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he's awesome.

[Alan Hahn]

And he's made his home here in the New York metropolitan area in New Jersey, and he needs us. He just sent out on social media a statement that says, to my New York jets and Ohio State Buckeye communities, this isn't an easy message to share, but I want to be open about what's been happening with me and my health. In 2006, I was diagnosed with a genetic defect that has led to chronic kidney disease. After a rough summer, I'm undergoing dialysis as we look for a kidney transplant. I always knew this day would come, but I thought it would have. I would have more time. Unfortunately, I do not have any family available to donate at this time. So this is why I'm reaching out to you, our New York jets and Ohio State communities. I am in need of a kidney donor with type O blood. If you are willing to find out if you could be a match and donate a kidney to me, please go to this site columbusssurgery.org kidney-transplant so you can find this on social media. But that's the website and click the link to indicate I want to donate my kidney. Use my full name, Nicholas Mangold. And his birthday, January 13, 1984. So he's only 41 years old. I am deeply grateful to anyone that would consider donating. I'm going to retweet this, so if anybody wants to be able to find it on social media and get involved in it, please do. He also says, most of all, I'm thankful for my family, who have been my rock every step of the way. This situation has reminded me how lucky I am to have such an amazing family, friends and community behind me. Well, this has been a rough stretch. I'm staying positive and focused on the path ahead. I'm looking forward to better days and getting back to full strength soon. I will see you all at MetLife Stadium and the shoe very soon. With gratitude, Nick Mangold. So I wanted to get that out because he's such a good guy, such a fun guy, awesome dude, a great player, hall of fame caliber center that the jets had.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So what was the website again?

[Alan Hahn]

The website is columbus surgery.org so that's C O L U M B I A Columbia, sorry Columbia Surgery columbiasurgery.org kidney-transplant so Columbia Surgery not Columbus. I got confused because of the Columbus or where he played college. But I retweeted it. You can find it. I'm already looking at responses people very much interested donating this. So hopefully if you get get a donor that would be amazing but way too young to have to be going.

[Don Hahn]

Totally. So yeah, hopefully this will help. And maybe there's a like you said, a Jets fan or a Buckeye fan who takes a look and finds a match now. All right, we have a big 5 o' clock hour to get to Don. First and foremost though, I have a message from fanduel. All right, they have an amazing offer you don't want to miss. New customers can bet just $5 and get 300 in bonus bets. If you win, you pick a bet, you bet five bucks and if it wins, you unlock 300 bucks in bonus bets to use all across the app. You can build parlays, bet player props, ride the live lines. Whatever your style, FanDuel has you covered. Visit FanDuel.com Peter to download the FanDuel app today and get started. 21 and over and physically present. New York first online real money wager only $5 first deposit required. Bonus issues now. Withdrawable bonus pets that expire seven days after receipt restrictions. Apply seat terms at sportspoint.fando.com for the gambling problem. Call 877-8-HOPE and wire. Text Hopeny at 467-369.

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