Hour 2: Talk About It Tuesday

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary

Episode: Hour 2: Talk About It Tuesday
Release Date: May 27, 2025

Hosts:

• Don Hahn: ESPN New York and New Jersey legend
• Alan Rosenberg: Long-time sportswriter and New York Knicks broadcaster
• Peter Rosenberg: Opinionated Hip Hop veteran and WWE personality

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1. Knicks vs. Pacers Eastern Conference Final Analysis (00:30 – 07:00)

The episode kicks off with a deep dive into the high-stakes Eastern Conference Finals between the New York Knicks and the Indiana Pacers. The hosts discuss the pivotal moments and key players influencing the series.

• Alan Rosenberg remarks on the absence of crew chief Zach Zarba, noting, “We don't have Zarba tonight. I checked.” (00:34)
• Don Hahn emphasizes the importance of stellar performances, stating, “Your best players have to be your best players.” (03:32)
• The trio analyzes the defensive strategies and player performances, highlighting Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle (referred to as "Cat") as crucial to the Knicks' success.

Notable Quote:
“The adjustments that are made now, you don't necessarily see them in the regular season because you hardly ever play the same team back-to-back games.”
— Don Hahn (04:15)

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2. Caller Insights: Merv’s Take on the Knicks (07:00 – 14:00)

Caller Merv connects from Winfield to share his thoughts on the Knicks' season and a personal anecdote about a wrist injury.

• Merv expresses concern over the lack of credit for player Tibbs and stresses the importance of consistent performances from key players:
  “We all know the key is Jalen has to play good and Cat has to be how he's been.”
  (02:50)

• He recounts his accident over Memorial Day, highlighting the challenges of being sidelined:
  “I have just a bit of an accident… I fell really hard right on my wrist and ended up being broken.”
  (05:52)

Notable Quote:
“Just sitting laying around the house all day, just listening to this show and I can't really do much.”
— Merv (05:24)

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3. Discussion on Fan Violence and Behavior (14:00 – 21:00)

A significant portion of the episode addresses a disturbing incident where a Pacers fan stabbed two Knicks fans in Carmel, Indiana, during a post-game altercation.

• Alan Rosenberg and Don Hahn dissect the motivations behind such extreme behavior, attributing it to overzealous fandom and momentary frustrations:
  “The team winning and losing doesn't have any real impact on who you are as a human being. It's momentary happiness or frustration.”
  — Alan Rosenberg (09:35)

• They critique the societal implications of sports-induced violence, emphasizing that such actions are unacceptable regardless of team rivalries.

Notable Quote:
“You wouldn't think it would happen in Indiana... It happens everywhere because fans are fans.”
— Don Hahn (11:14)

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4. Coaching Strategies and Media Relations (21:00 – 29:00)

The hosts shift focus to the role of coaching in high-pressure series and the interplay with media narratives.

• Don Hahn praises coaches like Rick Carlisle for their ability to handle media pressure:
  “Rick Carlisle was said he has like, he has no answer. If we play our strong defensive players, it seems like he seemed completely deflated.”
  (15:10)

• They discuss the manipulative yet effective communication styles of renowned coaches, drawing parallels with historical figures like Bill Parcells.

Notable Quote:
“The good managers and coaches like Joe Torrey were brilliant at the post-game press conference.”
— Don Hahn (16:51)

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5. Juan Soto's Performance and Public Perception (19:00 – 21:00)

Caller JJ brings up baseball star Juan Soto, challenging misconceptions about his performance.

• JJ argues against the narrative that Soto isn't performing due to unhappiness, comparing him to Albert Belle:
  “I hate the narrative... I think happiness is connected to why he hasn't performed.”
  (19:24)

• The hosts debate Soto's body language and commitment, with Alan Rosenberg noting:
  “When he's locked in, he's got all that happen. He is not doing any of that stuff.”
  (19:46)

Notable Quote:
“He's miserable because he... he’s not struggling because he's miserable.”
— Don Hahn (19:58)

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6. “Let's Talk About It Tuesday” Segment (24:00 – 43:00)

This segment features a humorous and candid discussion about a Knicks fan couple featured on a media outlet, critiquing their over-the-top fandom.

• Alan Rosenberg and Don Hahn mock the couple's conflicting apparel (Cowboy merchandise alongside Knicks gear), suggesting it undermines their fandom authenticity:
  “He would kill Knicks for the Cowboys to win a regular season game.”
  — Don Hahn (27:00)

• The hosts engage in playful banter, debating the couple's media portrayal and the producers' editorial choices.

Notable Quote:
“If he's showing off the cowboy stuff, you know his team's really the Cowboys.”
— Don Hahn (29:10)

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7. Hosts’ Banter and Behind-the-Scenes Insights (34:00 – 45:00)

The culmination of the episode features light-hearted banter among the hosts, discussing work dynamics, holiday schedules, and personal anecdotes.

• Don Hahn and Alan Rosenberg delve into their choices to work or take leave during holidays, showcasing their camaraderie and contrasting work ethics:
  “I took the option.”
  — Alan Rosenberg (34:34)

• They touch upon workplace benefits like paternity leave, expressing skepticism and sharing personal experiences about work-life balance.

Notable Quote:
“When you work on a holiday in all walks of life, you get what they call a comp day.”
— Don Hahn (35:08)

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8. Closing Remarks and Future Episodes (43:00 – End)

The episode wraps up with teasers for upcoming games and events, maintaining the hosts' signature blend of sports analysis and humorous interaction.

• Don Hahn expresses enthusiasm for the ongoing series, predicting it could become one of the greats:
  “If you end up getting seven games of similar this is going to go down as one of the great series of all time.”
  (48:06)

• The hosts hint at future confrontations and continued discussions on pivotal sports moments, keeping listeners engaged for upcoming content.

Notable Quote:
“These first three games have been absolutely fascinating. If you end up getting seven games of similar this is going to go down as one of the great series of all time.”
— Don Hahn (48:06)

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg," the hosts deliver an engaging blend of sports analysis, listener interactions, and spirited discussions on fan behavior and coaching strategies. Their dynamic interplay, punctuated by humorous jabs and insightful commentary, offers listeners a comprehensive glimpse into the complexities of professional sports and the passionate communities they inspire.

Key Takeaways:

• The importance of key player performances and strategic adjustments in high-stakes NBA series.
• The impact of extreme fan behavior on the perception of sports cultural dynamics.
• The nuanced role of coaching in managing team performance and media relations.
• Personal anecdotes from callers add depth and relatability to the discussions.

By weaving together expert analysis with relatable conversations, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg create a rich and entertaining listening experience that appeals to both avid sports fans and casual listeners alike.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

Don't ever forget.

[Don Hahn]

And I know Zach Zarba.

[Merv]

He was the crew chief.

[Don Hahn]

He's a Brooklyn guy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We don't have Zarba tonight. I checked.

[Peter]

Oh no. Zarba.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I'm curious to see game five. I'm hoping he's there. I will make my. Make it a point to go see him.

[Don Hahn]

Where are they hanging out? Usually, like during warmups and all that on the court. They're just hanging out.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, usually they come out.

[Don Hahn]

I never noticed.

[Alan Rosenberg]

They'll always, you know, it's great too. If you're calling the game, they'll come over because Mike, you know, it's Mike Breen, right? So you're gonna come over. But they always come over and they say hello. So it's great. You know, five minutes, chat with them real quick. But they always come over and say hello. Very personal, very friendly. Then the game starts and you know you have reasons to hate them. Yeah, right.

[Don Hahn]

I think they know that. That's why it's tough to. To get too close.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Merv in Winfield. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, buddy?

[Merv]

Hey, what's up, Don? How are you guys doing?

[Don Hahn]

Good, man. You can you hear Me? Oh, sure, yeah.

[Merv]

So I just think it's funny, like, Tibbs never gets the credit that he should and get. But yeah, all of us as fans, not so much me, but they want to reinvent the wheel. Like, oh, he should have did this. And now that he did this, they won. They won because Kat went crazy.

[Peter]

And.

[Merv]

And yeah, the defense was better. And I just think, like, yeah, it's. Maybe we get them in spurts again, but that's not the key. The key, everyone knows the key is Jalen has to play good and Cat has to be how he's been.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Merv]

We need Bridges to hit some shots. Nobody's talking about that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, he had a bad. He's been. He had a bad game. Three, shooting the basket. But, you know, defensively on Halliburton, he's been good. But. But you're right.

[Don Hahn]

No, no.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, very right.

[Merv]

We just need some point.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Merv, you're right. Everybody wants to come up with reasons why it should change when we all know that the success comes when your two stars play like stars. Yeah, that's it.

[Don Hahn]

Your best players have to be your best player.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's it. That's how you'll win. And. But does your defense have to be better? Of course. And has their defense not been good? I saw a crazy stat. It was when Kat's on the court without Brunson, it's like they're plus 10. When Brunson's on the court without Cat, they're plus five or something. And then when they're on the court together, they're like minus 20. So clearly playing them together in this series, the Pacers have found ways to exploit it. So now it's okay, you need them, but maybe you need to stagger them and not have them on the floor.

[Don Hahn]

This is where you really see coaching.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, Adjustments.

[Don Hahn]

The adjustments that are made now, you don't necessarily see them in the regular season because you hardly ever play the same team back to back games. So it's a different team. It's obviously maybe a different way to beat them. But now you get to see in all sports, what are the little subtle adjustments. And that's why the games are so different, because you can't. You just can't allow the same things to happen, especially if you lose. And I think it's incumbent on the team that wins to also make the necessary adjustments. Well, he just can't sit back and go, oh, we'll just play the same game.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You know what's coming.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you play the same game you're going to be down 20 in the second quarter again and maybe this time you don't come back. So the Knicks also have to make the adjustments too. So it just makes really. Just for fascinating stuff. Let's go to jj. He's out in North Carolina. You're on New York. What's up, jj?

[Merv]

Hey, guys. My line sound good?

[Don Hahn]

Fantastic.

[Peter]

Oh, it couldn't sound better, but apparently.

[Don Hahn]

Better than your wrist. What happened?

[Merv]

Yeah, before that. I just want to say I hope that. I hope this Knicks season can continue as long as it can because God knows only having baseball for about three months is not as fun. But it's also, you know, a little bit. It's just want to see the Knicks.

[Peter]

It leaves something to be desired is what you're saying.

[Merv]

For sure.

[Peter]

Sure.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Don's going to rip my head off because I'm just going to start just talking about the Soto Judge thing.

[Merv]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The longer, the deeper we can go into the summer without restarting that because Don will not be able to.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know, I might be on your side. The way things are going, the only time they score when he's up with runners, the scoring position is a sacrifice fly. But, you know, I'll take it. But we'll get to that. We'll get there.

[Merv]

I just wanted to say I had a bit of an accident over the Memorial Day weekend. I was playing basketball with my guys from work and I was coming off a screen and came up behind me and then didn't see him. So I fell really hard right on my wrist and ended up being broken. So kind of packed up here and not really doing much for the next like six weeks. So I just wanted to. I didn't really have much sports things to say, but you guys know me. I just wanted to say just listening to this show and I can't really do much and just sitting laying around the house all day.

[Peter]

It sounds like a 30 for 30 in the making if you ask me.

[Merv]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't that great. I mean, I probably would have made the shot anyway, but. Nah, it's just hearing your guys. And for the next however many weeks, just keep me entertained as much as possible. You guys do a lot for and other people like this in this situation.

[Peter]

Guess what, jj, we appreciate you. You're a great listener. And guess what I have for you right now.

[Merv]

What's that?

[Don Hahn]

Now this is why Michael didn't work.

[Peter]

What the hell was that?

[Don Hahn]

We're in the midst of Nick's Pacers fever and we got a medical update from jj. Jj, I want you to do well and I.

[Peter]

You know what? I don't like either of you right now, Don or Alan.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, How?

[Peter]

Nobody popped even a slight chuckle at me saying it sounds like a great 30 for 30. It was just dead silence. I mean, something had to be said. It was the worst call in the history of the radio station.

[Don Hahn]

I was looking not prolong it. So that's why I.

[Peter]

Well, you know, listen, I figure throwing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Some entertainment value, I was lost in a story that I just came across.

[Peter]

We love you, jj. Bad call. Great guy.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Peter]

Yeah, that can be true, right?

[Don Hahn]

Hey, listen, there's no bigger defenders of JJ than myself and Peter.

[Peter]

Yeah, no, sometimes. Sometimes it's a great guy and it's a bad call.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Did you. So you guys know that Nick fans have. Have gotten a bad reputation for their slightly overdone celebrations?

[Peter]

I've seen some of the celebrations have been intense. Yeah, sure, yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Did you see this story? A Pacers fan has been arrested for stabbing two Knicks fans at a brewery in Carmel, Indiana while watching game two of the Eastern Conference finals.

[Don Hahn]

Are these guys all right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

24 year old Pacer fans names Jarrett arrested. Yeah, this was during game two. So in interviews with the two victims. So I guess clearly they're okay. Didn't stab him to death. I would imagine it'd be more than just a very simple story. It would have gone bigger. But he said that the kid approached them, smacked the hat off one of them to the ground, then was taken outside. And then five minutes later, the two Nick fans were outside at the patio area of this brewery when he then stormed through the fence of the brewery. Because he was, I guess the bouncers took him out. So he storms through the fence and begins attacking them. Displayed a pocket knife and then repocketed it. Had no intention of using it. A verbal altercation then evolved into a physical altercation and then finally the victims were then stabbed by him. Hmm.

[Don Hahn]

That is interesting. I mean, just that they.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And the problem was that he said when they asked him like what started, he said because the Knick fans were talking stuff and like it.

[Don Hahn]

But stabbing and a pocket knife? I mean, come on. Yeah, this is so Indiana.

[Alan Rosenberg]

This is also like, it's just sports, guys.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The team winning and losing doesn't have any real impact on who you are as a human being. It. It's momentary happiness or frustration. Right.

[Don Hahn]

And like it's some sort of time.

[Alan Rosenberg]

For it to get to that level. You saw that, by the way. There was also Fights outside of game. Gainbridge Field house after game three brawls. Because there were a lot of Knick fans at the game.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And they were also chanting the F. New York. They were doing that, but they were Pacers. They were going after Nick fans and they were just jumping them. And it's like, so the kid, they had the garbage bag thrown at him. Which some of us feel was a bit of a social media.

[Peter]

It was a setup.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's right. This is on another level.

[Don Hahn]

I don't want to say I love these stories, because I don't. But what I do like about them is that if I didn't tell you what city that was in, you'd be like, oh, that probably happened in New York.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that. When you ever hear that happened in la, like, like, it's so la.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It does happen.

[Don Hahn]

Philadelphia. Listen, it happens. But my point is, it happens everywhere. Like, you wouldn't think it would happen in Indiana. Naptown. Oh, it happens everywhere because fans are fans, man. It just might happen in more of the more populated areas because there are more people, so the odds are obviously greater. But they were watching a game in.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The outskirts of town. They weren't even in Indianapolis.

[Don Hahn]

But, you know. But fans get nuts. But you try to tell these people that it's not the end of the world. Obviously, this is all they got. If you're stabbing someone because they are rooting for the team that you're not rooting for.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. Or because you were cheering a little.

[Don Hahn]

Too loud, then I am really. I'm actually amazed that that's. That real life is so golden that there is nothing to worry about. You have got no bills to pay. You've got no worries in your world. That that is the thing that's going to bother you to the point where you're going to want to stab somebody. But to see that it happened in Indiana, I mean, just makes me feel like, you know what? It can happen anywhere.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Don't worry. Halliburton's gonna get this kid sitting courtside. Let's make sure we get his name. Let's get him on McAfee. Let's make sure we get his name. This poor kid. I mean, it just gets ridiculous.

[Don Hahn]

New York gets Swiss army reputation sponsor.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right. But New York gets his reputation.

[Don Hahn]

I know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And what were fans doing but just happy and celebrating? Was it excessive? Of course, yeah. Did it go too far? Yeah, but they were just happy. And everybody's like, they don't know how to act. Look at them. They're all crazy in New York. They were just being happy. This. This is different.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, maybe they were irritating and maybe it's understandable if they had gotten into a fight, but to pull out a knife and try to take someone's life, because that's what you're doing, just to.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Get back in the place that he was thrown out of.

[Don Hahn]

What's the end game if you're trying to stab somebody? Well, I'm just going to hurt them. I got just so many morons.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Then you won the game. You were up. There was game two. You. You won game two. You're up two.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, these kids.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Wait that out. But think about it. Wait that out and win the game and then just stand there going, go ahead, guys. See you. Like, right, like, wait that out.

[Don Hahn]

Why?

[Peter]

Listen here.

[Alan Rosenberg]

New York is the one that gets all the reputation of being the bad fan, though. They're the bad fans.

[Peter]

Do you think that we have.

[Alan Rosenberg]

None of those videos are going viral, by the way. All the fights going on outside of gamebridge. None of that stuff went viral. All the stuff in New York went viral. I'm just. To me, again, I think it's a ridiculous narrative, but for the record, the.

[Peter]

Reason it went viral is the videos here of everyone going crazy. It was spread by people here.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Of course.

[Peter]

Everyone was into it.

[Don Hahn]

That was the whole reason they were doing it.

[Peter]

Right, exactly. People loved it. So don't act like it was all a bad thing. People wanted those videos to go viral.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, but there were videos of the fights in Indiana I didn't really see.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, of course you didn't see it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Like I said, I hear what you're.

[Peter]

Saying, but no one was proud of that. The people here are proud of what we. What we did. You know, what we did. I mean, I wouldn't do it with a. I wouldn't be caught dead, but you get the idea.

[Don Hahn]

I hear what you're saying.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He said we, though, Don.

[Don Hahn]

He did. The transformation is complete.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Or he's French.

[Don Hahn]

It just hopefully won't end up like the Fly, where it's like he's half Celtic, half Nick, and then they shoot him in the head. Hopefully this transformation is complete.

[Peter]

That's a great point.

[Don Hahn]

Jake in Queens. Jake, ESPN New York. Jake.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Hey, guys. How's it going?

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for taking the call. Always.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Crazy.

[Don Hahn]

Seven stories.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I'm sorry to pull it back to.

[Don Hahn]

X's and O's, but. So, Alan, you covered one of my points when you were talking about staggering Cat and Jalen's minutes.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I love that idea.

[Don Hahn]

I think you know that plus ratings they have when they're away from each other on the floor can't be ignored. Yeah, I think Cats offense without Jalen is, you know, it's a whole nother level of unstoppable.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, it's also. You got to understand too he also. Because they. When people say, well you got to get in the ball in the game early and stuff they do sometimes and he tries to draw fouls rather than do what he did in the fourth quarter, which is just beast mode. And that's when Cats off. When he's not doing the thing he needs to do is see when he's not going strong to the basket. So it's, you know, it is on him early in games to be as aggressive as he is late in games. But look, at least he does it in the big moment. And that was the biggest moment.

[Don Hahn]

Absolutely. And the, the other point I wanted to make, I'm sure, I'm sure you saw Rick Carlisle's postgame interview. Basically he was said he has like, he has no answer. If we play our strong defensive players, it seems like he seemed completely deflated.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And like he has no idea how.

[Don Hahn]

To plan for that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's typical Rick Carlisle. That's. He's. Yeah, I would. He's really good at playing the media and the quotes and all that stuff. Yeah, he's. He's big on that. I wouldn't read, I would not read into that at all.

[Don Hahn]

No, there's always the mind game.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's brilliant at it too. Brilliant.

[Don Hahn]

I'll tell you that's another thing you find like I knew Paul Maurice was a really good coach, but covering the conference final last year, having to be at all the post game press conference, like just how brilliant he is and how everything's manipulative, how he gets out of his players and the other team and the officials by certain comments that don't seem aggressive. But listen to him like, oh, he's getting his message across like the brilliance of a co. Like all the really good coaches do that. I think that's part of being a really good coach and why you handling.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Stuff like that and why you can't just hire anybody to coach in a place like New York because of the amount of media coverage that you get to understand how to work media.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And that's why. Cuz when you get to the level of conference finals where now you're dealing with a ton of media, you're comfortable with it, you know exactly what to do. Guys like him get it.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it. Some of Them. Sometimes it's just passable to just don't screw it up. Don't mess things up. But then there's others that can use it to their advantage. The post game press conference, it seems like so meaningless and trivial, but when it's done well, and Carlisle does that. John Cooper with the Tampa Bay Lightning outstanding. Just. Buck Showalter was always very good at it. Like the good managers and coaches. Joe Torrey was brilliant at it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Parcells was Parcels.

[Don Hahn]

Parcells. The media was like putty in his hands. And he would motivate players and he knew which.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He talked to the players through the. Through the writers.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah. And it was never, like, nasty or anything goes viral like. Like Denny Green lost it. You know, Ray Hanley, like, those guys lose it and then that loses everything. All the credibility is gone.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But to be able to do that, get your message across, and yet everybody, like, as you leave the room, like, almost like gives you a standing ovation because just. It was like an. You played him like an instrument. It was. It's really. And I. And I think Carlisle Tortorella was like, he's on that. Well towards. It would lose it. Like.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

When he got back. But Parcell's never that. I remember he never lost Tory. Never lost it. You know, those guys never. They could be angry, but they might embarrass somebody in the media, but they don't raise their voice. Nothing to go viral. No punching, no kicking the podium, you know, punching the microphone, doing any of that stuff. But yet, you know what? He got his message across. Those are the guys that are truly brilliant. Javier and Queens, you're on ESPN New York. What's up, man?

[Jj]

What's going on, guys? Between last year, Michael kicking it with the RZA in San Francisco, and Don almost knowing that that was the jizz of shadow boxing pretty close. My hip hop heart is so full. I want to make a recommendation to Don, and I think Alan and Peter will agree. Don, if you haven't heard Grave Diggers, you will love Grave Diggers. Go find it right away.

[Peter]

That's interesting. I wonder, do I think he'd like Grave Diggers?

[Don Hahn]

Maybe Jacob can, because it's like horror. Ra.

[Peter]

Yeah, I think he'd like. I think he could like a couple of the songs. I don't know if he'd be like a.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Don's more an Onyx guy.

[Peter]

You're sensing onyx from Don.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, Don's Onyx.

[Don Hahn]

Grave Diggers.

[Jj]

You know, I think you'll like Grave diggers, you know?

[Peter]

You know, you know Slam.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, he knows. You got to know Slam. Yeah.

[Peter]

All right. Sorry. Yeah, we'll play him Graves. Let's play him 1-800-suicide. He'll enjoy it.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we got. We got Talk about Diaries of Madman. A lot of production around that. What do you have basketball wise hobby?

[Jj]

All right. Before the Knicks, I just want one very quick Soto point, if I can. I hate the narrative going. Going on about him, but one thing that I absolutely hate is the idea that he's not hitting because he's not happy. I despise that. And I like to bring up one of my favorite players of all time. Albert Bell looked like he never had a happy moment in his life, and he would crush the ball all the time. So I don't think happiness is connected to why he hasn't performed.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Let me push back. Let me push. Albert Bell was always miserable. Juan Soto, when he's going, has a little swagger, a little smirk, a little head nod, a little shift, a little shimmy. Like when you know he's locked in, he's got all that happen. The body language gives it away.

[Don Hahn]

Locked in.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He is not doing any of that stuff. That. That's why there is a difference. It's not the. It's not that he's not happy, go lucky and smiling. It's all the little things that, you know, when he's locked in, he's got all that stuff going on, body language.

[Don Hahn]

He's not struggling because he's miserable. He's miserable because he.

[Alan Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Jj]

Yes, exactly. And also, I think Albert Bell only looked happy when he crushed that second baseman on his way to second base with that Fernando forearm. But anyway, yeah, my God. So with the Knicks, just two things that has me really hopeful for tonight. Number one, I think Neesmith being compromised is on the low. Very big for the Knicks. I think he was really pressuring Brunson on the way up the court. So I think it's a good thing. And when he was out, it worked out for them. And then the other thing that I don't think is being talked about enough is the return of Halliburton's dad, I think is the ultimate sign of the show.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Did you miss the first segment?

[Jj]

I did. I was working. I was working with kids.

[Peter]

Alex spent a lot of time.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Literally, that's everything we talked about in the first 20 minutes.

[Jj]

Okay. So I think it's a great sign. I think. I think it's like Albert Palpatine coming back to the star wars franchise. I think.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You see what he went.

[Peter]

Then he went, star Wars.

[Alan Rosenberg]

See how he had me a little annoyed that he was listening? And then he went. Then he went, star wars references.

[Don Hahn]

And I didn't understand a word of it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That was only for me. That wasn't for you guys. That was strictly just to get me feeling better.

[Peter]

Yeah, but we're not going to get a Star wars reference.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But you know what? I can't stand when people call the show and say nobody's talking about that.

[Don Hahn]

You should have saved that for 4:30.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I'm setting us up right now.

[Peter]

See, like a professional.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right?

[Peter]

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[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Peter]

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[Don Hahn]

Say that's good.

[Peter]

Yeah. Now I have a read here that says time now for let's Talk about it, sponsored by BetterHelp. Mental health is health. So I'm going to say that. But we just said that. But we're going to double up on you, hit you in the face twice. So you know it's Better Help. We love better Health. All right, guys, it's time to talk about it on a Tuesday. Is there something that's been bothering you? Something you need to get off your chest? Are you looking at the little kid version of Stephen A. Smith?

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, no. They're doing a. I don't want to say names. They're doing this feature on this Knicks fan couple.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And they're, you know, you tell. They've been married for a long time and God bless them.

[Peter]

God bless.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But they showed the wedding photos.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

She is not smiling in any of the.

[Don Hahn]

It's miserable.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Like, just looks angry.

[Peter]

That's not what you're ever looking for.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But yet she's smiling like she's very.

[Peter]

She's happy now.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Pleasant. Yes. But it's just like the two wedding photos that they chose.

[Peter]

Maybe she was nervous.

[Don Hahn]

She's just got this scout and now they're showing him. Now the couple. Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Lovely couple.

[Don Hahn]

He's got to have his Dallas Cowboy shirt. You know what? This is why Cowboy fans are the worst.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Emmett Smith, though, he goes way back.

[Peter]

I know, but still. But still, they're doing a feature about them being Knicks fans. And he's wearing the Knicks hat, but he had to wear the cowboy sweatshirt.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He just wants a needle.

[Peter]

Listen, I know what it's like. I've been a Knicks fan for a week and a half, and if you were to get me. Do me an interview. I'm not going to wear a Celtic shirt, Don. I'm going to show respect. I'm wearing Nick shirt.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, everybody does a great job on these. Look, may I start now? Because now I'm acting.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right, let's go.

[Don Hahn]

Would you Mind go.

[Peter]

So you have a new one.

[Don Hahn]

I got a new one because I wasn't going to do it. But you know what you weren't going to do? Let loose. I thought the local. I was trying to set you up of the Knicks. You got us. And I understand this. This goes back to Penny Crone on fox. Whenever the Yankees were in the World Series, she didn't know how to put a hat on. She put the Yankee hat. Stop it. All right, I get the news. All wants to jump on the bandwagon. And this is the bandwagon to jump on. No offense, net fans, but everybody's a basketball fan in on the Knicks, right? So I get what they're doing. But even that coverage where they show the couple that got married at the Garden and then the toolbox has got to wear the cowboy T shirt and show his cowboy tat. Do you realize the message that that tells me is that he would stab Brunson in the chest for the Cowboys to score first down. So he's all excited about the Knicks being in the conference final. He would kill Knicks for the Cowboys to win a regular season game. If I'm the producer over at Channel 7, I'm like, we're moving on to the next story. If you're going to be a tool and wear the cowboy T shirt, we're going to move on to another subject. We've got 10 of them because the team might make a run. You're now not going to be on the news because you're a tool. And if you think that you're getting mad at me because about the Cowboys, it'd be the same if he was wearing, you know, the Yankees or if he was wearing a shirt of some other team. It's a Knicks spot. Your Knicks are in the conference finals. You got married at Madison Square Garden. Wear a Knick jersey. Don't have your cowboy T shirt on because you're telling the world, I enjoy the Knicks, but I like the Cowboys more. So then we nixed the story, guys.

[Peter]

Can't do it.

[Don Hahn]

Producers. Now we're gonna move on to the next story.

[Peter]

No, no, no. Just keep the wife in.

[Don Hahn]

You're not in the shot.

[Peter]

Well, you don't have your miserable wife.

[Don Hahn]

That didn't smile in one wedding photo is going to be the one that's in the shot. You know why? Because she's got a Knick jersey on. You're wearing your cowboy tool T shirt on. You sat in the back.

[Merv]

Oh, great.

[Don Hahn]

No camera time. Stop it. Because I'm telling you he would take Brunson's life for the Cowboys to get a first down in a preseason game, and all of a sudden, now you're showing him, oh, I'm a big Knick fan, but here's my cowboy tattoo. Here's my cowboy T shirt, toolbox. And the producer from Channel 7 should know better. Should have nixed the spot. Make him sit behind a bush and then have his wife be the only one on camera. And if she didn't, oh, my husband's got to be it. Then we move on to the next story. It wasn't that interesting anyway.

[Peter]

I care.

[Don Hahn]

When you got married, nobody care. You don't care. Your family and half of them don't care because. Guaranteed another two years to divorce.

[Peter]

Wait, no, that's not.

[Don Hahn]

I'm going to say it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Together for 20.

[Peter]

Lasted a long time, though. Now, let me just.

[Don Hahn]

So they're in it for the kids. The second the kids graduate school, she's out the door. I'm telling you. At the ceremony, they're going to do a toast. After he graduates, he's going to throw his hat in the air. Mom's gone. By the time the hat lands on.

[Peter]

The ground, no one's there.

[Don Hahn]

No one there.

[Peter]

Now, now.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You never love Brunson.

[Peter]

Admit it now. It is true, though it does annoy me. When. When football fans. I get it, guys. It's my number one sport, too, to watch. I get it. But when you're so obsessed with it, don't. It's like, they have to represent it. People might forget that I love football. I need them to know I love football.

[Don Hahn]

It's basketball.

[Peter]

But football was happening. Like, calm down, dude. All right? You love the Cowboys. They suck.

[Don Hahn]

But it's not about the Cowboys, and it's not about me hating the Cowboys. I would say. You know what? I would say.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That it's a Nick spot.

[Don Hahn]

It's a Knicks spot. If you're showing up, you're telling the world you're doing a spot about how.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Excited you knew they were coming to shoot this. It wasn't like they stopped you on the street randomly.

[Peter]

Although, guys, they have photos of you growing up.

[Alan Rosenberg]

They know your story. They spent time with you.

[Peter]

Although we didn't hear any sound.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Guys, doesn't matter.

[Peter]

It may have been.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You saw the photos.

[Peter]

Yeah, but they also showed he had a Cowboys tattoo. Maybe it was about how they met and she convinced him to become a Knicks.

[Don Hahn]

Don't care.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He wore the shirt.

[Don Hahn]

I don't care.

[Peter]

I'm all about.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's irrelevant.

[Don Hahn]

I would bet any amount of money. No, guys, if I asked him tonight, Brunson three to win, but the Cowboys win two games next year. He's hoping Brunson misses the shot. And that's not somebody that deserves time about. Yay, the Knicks are in the conference final. No, that should be somebody that's a die hard Knick fan. He can like other teams, but the Knicks are his team. And if he's showing off the cowboy stuff, you know his team's really the Cowboys.

[Peter]

I know. It's, it's. What month is it? May, Come on.

[Don Hahn]

Come stop yourself.

[Peter]

Not even. I'm wearing commander stuff right now. Calm down, buddy. All right, here we go. This is, this is what I wanted to play. This is Michael K on the Michael K show yesterday. Alan, this could go bad. We'll see. I'm going to see how this goes.

[Michael K]

Bonus case show. I'm going to tell you why, because we're not just going till 3, we're going to 3:30. Right up until the Mets pregame show. Now, I don't like to bash my teammates because that's not what I'm about. I'm a lovely person, I really am. But I'm doing that extra half hour because Don Han and Rosenberg, well, they refused to work on holidays. So they said to me, michael, would you do it? Would you do the extra. Of course I will. For the listeners. Of course I will. If they're at a barbecue today or maybe they're at their swim club or something like that and they've got the radio on.

[Peter]

Swimming club.

[Michael K]

Relax with me. I'm here for you.

[Don Hahn]

They're man of the people.

[Michael K]

I am.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Play it out. What's a swim club?

[Don Hahn]

Man of the people.

[Alan Rosenberg]

If you, I mean, when you have a lot of money, I guess.

[Peter]

Now a caller.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Was I with my kids in the pool in the backyard. Were you confirmed?

[Peter]

Wow, good for you.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it's called, you know, it is a vacation day, right? It's like it's a. It's, isn't it? Right? Is it not a holiday?

[Peter]

I'm sorry. I just happen to respect our nation.

[Don Hahn]

So I take off to do with that is that he worked because he's in a hotel by himself in Anaheim with nothing to do. So now he's playing hero ball because he's going to do his three and a half hours and looks. By the way, I'm home. I worked my tail off to get this day off.

[Alan Rosenberg]

20 minutes.

[Don Hahn]

Give me 20.

[Peter]

20.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Let's not call it.

[Don Hahn]

Peter and I had to Fill in for Michael because of Yankee travel. A Yankee Day game. Oh, the Yankees need this. Center stage needs that. Yes. Needs me to jump up and down in my underwear. And I would do those extra time. Peter would do the extra time. And we didn't bash him. We understood that's right. Part of the game plan. And if he was home, if the Yankees were off and had a game today, he would have taken off like any other human being. But because he's stuck at Anaheim with nothing to do, all of a sudden he's playing hero ball. Stop it.

[Peter]

If they had asked him, it was like he was fully off yesterday and they said, can you do an extra half hour? He wouldn't have responded.

[Don Hahn]

You should hear the things that they've asked Michael to do that he would not do. On a bet.

[Peter]

On a bet. Let's hear though. Someone called to defend us. And again it's. Let's talk about it Tuesday. So anything's in play.

[Michael K]

So suffering Jim, who's a great listener, said, a few weeks ago, the Yankees played at three o' clock. So Don McGregor did a half hour and didn't bash Michael K. Now Michael K. Is destroying Don Hahn and Rosenberg for not doing a half hour. Well, Jim, here's the problem, so I'll lower my voice to tell you this. So I couldn't do that last half hour because I was doing the Yankees game. They could work today if they'd like, and they chose not to. So there's a big difference there, Suffering Jim, don't you see? Because I could not do that last half hour. So Don said, okay, I'll do the half hour today. They definitely could have popped on for a half hour. They chose not to, which is their right. Everybody at the station is supposed to be off on Memorial Day. But Barton Carlin worked. And you know what? Rick D. Pietro worked. Rothenberg decided not to work. Don Hahn and Rosenberg decided not to work. So it's a big, big difference. When I can't do a half hour. Well, somebody has to do it. But they could have done this half hour. But I'm doing it and I'm gladly doing it.

[Peter]

But wait, but this was a holiday. The day he couldn't work was a regular work day.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But doesn't it's again, I get what he's saying.

[Don Hahn]

No, you. Why?

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's kind of weird. What did you say the other day? You kept using the corny. Yeah, this is corny. Can we be honest? But if we're being really honest, you know what?

[Don Hahn]

I don't Know he doesn't want the world to know again. He worked because he was stuck. Anyway, you know, many times I worked the thing. Hey, I never bashed anybody. On the Friday after Thanksgiving, when Michael and Peter would be off, I would do the show if the Rangers had a day game. And I figured, well, I can't do anything anyway. Rangers are playing. I gotta do the postgame. I'm gonna be on the air till 4:30. Might as well just stay on till 6:30 and do. The last two hours of the show wasn't hero ball. It was just, hey, I'm working anyway. I can't do anything. Nancy took the family out because they knew I was stuck doing the Ranger game. And just like he's stuck in Anaheim, he's not with his family. He's in the hotel. Why not do three and a half hours? The Knicks played a game the day before. Makes sense. I would have done the same thing. You and Peter would have done the exact same thing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Are you.

[Don Hahn]

Because it's performative. That means you got nothing. The Knicks just won a huge game and you've got to spend time bashing us. That's for people who've got nothing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, I see. No material.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, it's all performative garbage.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Does this bother you much, Peter?

[Peter]

Not as much.

[Don Hahn]

It's 24 years.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I just looked at it like, yeah, they. They chose not to work. Yeah, I had the choice. I took that choice.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, because he wants.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I didn't have to go. And I am in. I'm on a Hampshire wheel right now. So I really needed the day and I took it.

[Peter]

You damn right you did.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I took it.

[Peter]

I wouldn't even entertain feeling bad about being alone.

[Don Hahn]

No. But you know what happens when I had a margarita?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I was laying next to Stephanie with a margarita, with the girls in the pool. Was there any part of me that felt bad about that?

[Peter]

No way.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No.

[Peter]

No. Sorry.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Bob, have you seen my schedule the last couple of weeks? No, I'm absolutely. Oh, I had the option. I'm taking the option.

[Peter]

Damn right you are.

[Don Hahn]

And here's what you get. Don't make it seem like you get nothing. When you work on a holiday in all walks of life, you get what they call a comp day. So that means that Michael can now take another day off. That's not a holiday. Oh, he will not be on the air.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Really?

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Peter]

Do the math.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's all right. Don, you and I, when we are sweating bullets, fighting through late July sports talk radio, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And everybody else is frolicking on vacations.

[Don Hahn]

Makes you want to have another kid, right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Trust me.

[Peter]

By the way, that doesn't work just for the paternity leave.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That and the potential for some money, apparently.

[Don Hahn]

I think it's a scam, but take advantage of it.

[Peter]

A scam?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, because it don't paternity leaves so you can help out.

[Peter]

No, that's not.

[Don Hahn]

They'll take some vacation six months after the kid's born.

[Peter]

Well, that's.

[Don Hahn]

That's not. I. Hey, that's what you got to do. I don't get it, but do it. I would do it. I'm not criticizing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Nobody says you're wrong.

[Don Hahn]

I just think the whole thing's a scam.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But the whole thing does seem a bit excessive.

[Peter]

Well, no, hold on. Just real quick, is it, let's give.

[Don Hahn]

Vacations out to people who have kids.

[Peter]

Is it a scam or were you being ripped off prior to this?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Peter]

Like, is it. No, just hear me out. Just for the sake of argument, imagine this is another country, right, where we always hear they have better benefits and stuff than usual. If you heard in France, when you have a child, you're entitled. You're in whatever country. That's where I'm going. But if whatever country you're in, when you have a child in that country, you're entitled, during the first year of that child's Life to spend 12 weeks with that child, you would go, that's a joke of a country. Or you'd go, wow, good for them. I wish we had that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So technically, I mean, that's what it is. I only get so much time. I only get so much time with Zach. I've never taken that time. Can I still get that time with.

[Peter]

Him, by the way?

[Alan Rosenberg]

He is my child, by the way.

[Peter]

I would argue yes. That's not fair.

[Don Hahn]

I'd say no.

[Peter]

I'd say back in the day, when you had kids.

[Don Hahn]

No, but here's the thing. Here's what I may. Again, it gets the semantics of it. If they wanted to say, hey, when you have a kid, we'll just give you 12 weeks off, I would say.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Use it any way you want.

[Don Hahn]

First 12 weeks, because that gets you acclimated.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The most important time.

[Don Hahn]

The most important time to be. Is it really, though?

[Peter]

They're kind of just a blob just.

[Don Hahn]

Giving you a month's vacation.

[Peter]

No more than a month. But I'm just saying.

[Don Hahn]

But. But it just hit. But because. But you worked at the time. You should have Been home. It makes no sense. Well, because the whole. We had NICU for 18 days, so it wasn't like I was partying.

[Peter]

And then you came right back to work.

[Don Hahn]

And then I came back to work because it's time to go back to work. I don't even. I didn't even know this existed, but nobody told me about it. By the way, the people that ran this place had no idea what they were doing. All right, now, I wonder if people who know what's happening, it could have.

[Peter]

Existed when you had it might.

[Don Hahn]

Maybe it did, but nobody brought it up to me, so it didn't happen. Michael didn't take it. Alan didn't take it. But I would think you put I.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Work the next day.

[Don Hahn]

It's very different as a kid. Your life has changed. You want to get that kid acclimated to being home, and you're changing it. So you want to focus on that. Not like, oh, I now get after I'm already acclimated and take a trip.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Or even before the child born. Because you're building the nursery, you're building all the furniture. You're getting the room set up. Like, that's a lot of work.

[Peter]

You know what I call it? I want everyone to pay close attention to me. I'm 45 years old. I've been working in this industry for 20 years. They're telling me I can get day Don, think about this a month straight with my wife and my first child. Or hang out with my buddies who I love, but I hang out with every other day of the year. And by the way, at the end of the year, my paycheck's gonna be the exact same. If I didn't do it, Don put a gun directly to my paycheck.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not criticizing you. I never once criticized you.

[Peter]

No, no, but my point is. Yeah, I guess you're right. The way it's being titled is funny, but this goes back to the same thing as work on holidays. You get the opportunities. Alan and I have a question. Is the name Rosenberg in espn? Do I make from the bottom line? That is espn. Do I own this company?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Peter]

Exactly. So what do I do? I do my job and I collect the salary that I'm given and I'm a team player, dammit. Happy to be a part of it. But you say, hey, buddy, take a break. We're gonna pay you for it.

[Don Hahn]

Nope.

[Peter]

You know what? You say, I'll see you then. And that's what we did yesterday. That's okay. Has the audacity to get on the air and attack us when he when he takes off days that are regular work days. Well anyways, that's Talk about It Tuesday. It got weird when we ever had.

[Don Hahn]

Felt like got uncomfortable.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The first one was better.

[Don Hahn]

Why was it uncomfortable?

[Alan Rosenberg]

The whole thing with the couple was that that was gold.

[Don Hahn]

Oh thank you.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That was gold.

[Don Hahn]

That had to be said.

[Peter]

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[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

Come on.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

Can I. Can I enter?

[Don Hahn]

You cannot enter.

[Peter]

Why not confident. You can't go.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I mean, by the way, how many days? Say it again.

[Don Hahn]

Sending a lucky winner. All inclusive. Seven days and six nights.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Dude, are you kidding me?

[Don Hahn]

I've been. Dude, because I'm on. You've. You've been. I mean, yes, I don't want to show off, but we work for the same company. The Fairmont's gorgeous.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We're going to the contest style, right?

[Don Hahn]

You. You don't get to go to Vancouver, but the Fairmont, it's right across from where the. The Olympic torch was all the Pacific North. It's the Pacific Rim Fairmont. Pacific Rim Fairmont.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Mayakoba Vacation for two. This is insane.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

What if I had? I'm gonna have like my father in law do this and then when he wins it, he just gives it gifts.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, it's reeks of impropriety, but.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You think it's wrong loophole.

[Don Hahn]

Now listen, is it wrong? Test it out. What could they do? Take it away? Seriously, they'll just send you there.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Why can't they have it like, hey, by the way, we have this contest running.

[Peter]

Hey, boys.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Do you guys. Do you guys want to be part of this trip? Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Well, they wouldn't. That spice it up.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Seven days and six nights. Hang with Don Hahn and Rosenberg. They'll be doing shows out there, right? How great would that be?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Play around a golf.

[Don Hahn]

But in.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I just got excited.

[Don Hahn]

How about this Thursday?

[Alan Rosenberg]

What are we doing?

[Don Hahn]

Thursday is game five.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes, it is. We can confirm. We'll be at Stout Cap by the Garden.

[Don Hahn]

All right. By the Garden. The same place we were for game five of the Knicks Pistols. Special guests. Michael K is going to be there for from one to three.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That should be that.

[Peter]

Interesting timing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's gonna be like an anchorman confrontation maybe. You know what I mean? Have it out in the street.

[Don Hahn]

Which means One of us might have to do the last hour of a.

[Peter]

Show because he'll be dead.

[Don Hahn]

Because if we throw down, I don't lose.

[Peter]

That's right. Don's already. Don's already made clear what happens.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Got all that pent up frustration.

[Peter]

Oh, come on. When it comes, all that yearning and moaning might make your head blow off.

[Don Hahn]

But when you're told. When Michael tells you that there's an individual in sports media.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

That can beat me up just because he's crazy.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not supposed to defend myself.

[Peter]

I didn't say that.

[Don Hahn]

There's somebody that covers baseball.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

That Michael said could beat me up.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What?

[Don Hahn]

And I said I would take his life.

[Peter]

And.

[Don Hahn]

And he's like, no, no, no, he's crazy. I was like, trust me.

[Peter]

Don says, trust me, I'm crazy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I think I know who he might be talking.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. And this is.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I think he's right. Not. Not. I think it's crazy.

[Don Hahn]

Oh.

[Peter]

Not that he'd be Don.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No. I think we know Don's crazy, too. Hair trigger over here.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Like, honestly.

[Don Hahn]

Well, in. On radio. You don't.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And also kickboxing.

[Don Hahn]

I haven't physically fought anybody in decades.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

I was a kid.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But you will.

[Don Hahn]

If I had to. But if I had a hair tricker, I'd be getting into fights all the time.

[Peter]

He just resemble. He just resents the fact that Michael was so sure to say he'd lose, which I understand. It's not. Right.

[Don Hahn]

No, this is not Wally Matthews. I'd lose to Wally Matthews. He wasn't talking about Wally Matthews. No, I wouldn't lose to Wally Matthews because Wally's crazy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't think Wally.

[Don Hahn]

Because he's strong and knows what he's.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Doing, but I don't think he's crazy.

[Don Hahn]

No, he's a great. He's a gentleman.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I love him.

[Don Hahn]

But I don't want. I don't want to make a broad assumption to people that cover baseball, but I take them all on, the whole group. Let's go. Bring them on.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You know, Wally Matthews taught me.

[Don Hahn]

He's a. He's a good, easy crowd.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He was. He was the adjunct professor for. For sports journalism at LIU Post when I was there. And that was my favorite class I ever took in my life. He is awesome.

[Don Hahn]

He is. He was fun. I really enjoyed working with him. And he's got some amazing stories.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, yes.

[Don Hahn]

But also a hair trigger because some of those stories ended in violence. I. You know, I don't. I'm good. But on the air I lose it but you know, I'm able to contain myself most of the time.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Most of the time.

[Don Hahn]

Most of the time. And when I don't, it's for your entertainment, Moose in Jamaica. You're on ESPN New York.

[Peter]

What's up Moose?

[Don Hahn]

Yo, yo, what's good dhr? How are we good? You Chilling, chilling. Three quick things about the Knicks. And I'll tell you something real quick. When I went to the Mets game yesterday that's going to make you laugh in reference to the story on brought up about the Indiana faces fan so quickly about the Knicks. OG was crucial in Game 3. So if either OG or Bridges can equal that performance, it should look good for the Knicks. And Brunson definitely got no sleep after game three. That poor performance, he's probably going to have a 40 burger or 30 something. And the Knicks could possibly win by 15 or 10 if they get a full contribution from their seven main guys. And also the whole ball to the wall thing that Indiana plays with. They bring it to you. They bring it to you. And you saw in game three in the second quarter that the Knicks were overcome. And it was thanks to OG's timely baskets as well as the bench because of Brunson and Cat style trouble that they were able to hang around to the fourth. True. And also hang around a Jer still down 10 and it took a 20 point performance from Cat in the fourth they get. See that's what's crazy. Like well this will never happen. Game one, that shot from Halliburton, it can't happen again. Score 20 points in a quarter, especially the fourth. That doesn't happen.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We've seen just some remarkable things already and we're only three games in it. I told you this series was going to be this.

[Don Hahn]

This is starting right now. These first three games have been absolutely fascinating. If you end up getting seven games of similar this is going to go down as one of the great series of all time. I mean think about it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, you think about how bad the west series is. West series. At least we got a game last night. At least we got a game last night.

[Peter]

Oh, but the first three games start.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it's just been now it's already. Now it's 3:1, right. So it sort of feels already like it's kind of anti climactic. Right? I'm like unless we keep waiting for Anthony Edwards to live up to the standard that we've set for him, clearly that he's not that guy. So that series. But this series is been insane. Three games in and tonight, tonight's now. All right, what's going to be in this?

[Don Hahn]

And this is what you get when you get two really evenly matched teams to well coached teams. There's, there's, there, there's going to be something special. This is why you play a best of seven series to determine who's better. And you know, right now it's just been a classic and we're not even halfway through. Hopefully you know we're going to get a long 1-800-919-3776 big 5 o' clock hour coming up. ENN at 6. Take up until 6:30, then it's Mets baseball but then flip over to 10:50 and then we will take you the rest of the way till seven and Pat O' Keefe and Knicks basketball right here on 880 ESPN New York and the ESPN New York app. However, I need to tell you that you want your most for your money, right? That's why more Mazda buyers choose Ramsey Mazda lease a new 2025 Mazda CX5 all wheel drive just 239amonth for 36 months. Start shopping now at Ramsey Mazda.com or at Ramsey Mazda Route 17 north in Ramsey. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Call 833-853-2970 for details. Excludes tax, title and registration. Zero security deposit VIN S 0571604, MSRP 29990 and 6225.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to my Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.