B (2:04)

You're supposed to, they're eight and a half point dog.

A (2:06)

Right.

B (2:06)

Lose the game in overtime.

A (2:08)

Cover.

B (2:08)

Yeah.

C (2:09)

You're going to walk out of there.

B (2:10)

Going, you know what? The Cowboys look really good. All right, they lost the game, but they look really good. Hey, I, you know what, you know what? The first hour of this show Was Don Legrec is showing hope for his football team because none of this is going to matter if the Giants are going to win three, four games. We'll look back at this and laugh like Don was actually having a conversation. Rooting for the Cowboys to look bad because it might help the Giants and they, and the Cowboys might have a terrible season and still finish three games behind them. This may not age well for me. I get it.

A (2:39)

You mean your optimism about a split, a one and one start.

B (2:42)

I just, I feel good about my team for the first time in forever.

A (2:47)

About the Giants.

B (2:48)

About the Giants.

A (2:49)

What is, what is your most optimistic feeling about them? What gives you this feeling?

B (2:55)

Because you know why we talk about DNA, right? We talked about the Mets DNA being about pitching.

A (3:00)

DNA.

B (3:01)

DNA. Was his list yesterday?

A (3:03)

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

B (3:05)

The DNA for the Mets has been their pitching. Right. So you get excited when pitchers get called up. I get excited when I think I've got an elite defense. I think this defense could be front seven really good.

A (3:14)

And you've got a rotation of guys.

B (3:16)

Who get after the quarterback and they address the secondary in free agency. I think this team is going to be able. Will the offense be able to keep the Giants in games as their defense will?

A (3:29)

It's all up to the offensive line. Yeah. The answer to that question lies within the front. Those five blocks of granite.

B (3:35)

So. So I'm feeling like there, there, there's hope it may be washed away. Lose 50 to nothing on Sunday. You know, we've been down this road before, but I feel like there's talent here. I feel like they got a defense and then you can look forward to at some point a quarterback to get excited about because even though you might have gotten excited about Daniel Jones, because Daniel Jones was the offensive rookie of the week when he made his debut against Tampa that year. But he was a sixth overall pick. Nobody wanted. Everybody raised their eyebrows going, why did they Pick Daniel Jones 6th? Everybody and their mother loved the dart pick. The fact that they traded back in, like, so there's a, there's a vibe, a positive vibe around the quarterback and you know you're going to see him at some point. And as much as I think Russell Wilson's on the back nine, you know that he still, I think has.

A (4:26)

There's still some abilities they should be.

B (4:28)

Able to play better than they did at quarterback last year when they got.

C (4:30)

Like zero quarterback play.

B (4:33)

So there's that. Let's go to Flavio in Brooklyn. You're on espn.

C (4:39)

New York.

B (4:39)

What's up, man?

D (4:41)

Hey, how's it going, guys? So I'm really excited for this season for the Giants. I'm not anticipating a lot of wins. I mean, I'm hoping, you know, you know, being, you know, positive. Maybe seven wins at the near best.

B (4:55)

But I feel like we're going to get the best.

D (4:57)

Russell Wilson, the first couple weeks. Would it be crazy if they have. If they do cover the spread? I mean, I know some of my. My buddies do believe that the Giants.

B (5:07)

Are gonna, you know, win.

D (5:08)

I'm not one of those people. I just think that, you know, they have a chance of covering the spread. But I feel like if it. If there is a week, it would probably be week one. And by the way, Peter, I do feel like the commanders are not going to take a step back. I think they're going to go a little bit forward. I actually have the commanders coming out of the NFC facing Baltimore in the Super Bowl.

C (5:29)

That would be.

B (5:29)

They love it for that area.

C (5:31)

That would be a gem. Obviously. That would be a gigantic deal.

A (5:34)

It's not out of the question, by the way.

C (5:36)

No, it's.

A (5:37)

Look at the favorites. Both of them are up at the top.

C (5:40)

The commanders I saw. I mean, depends where you look. The Athletic the other day had the commanders is the seventh best team in the league.

A (5:46)

That's still.

C (5:46)

Baltimore was fifth or something. No, they're right there. They're both up there. Yeah, that would be fun.

A (5:51)

That would be fun. It's in. Where is it this year?

C (5:54)

Is it New Orleans this year?

A (5:55)

That sounds. It's always in New Orleans. So it's a good. I always forget where it is. But it would be on the.

C (6:02)

No, they're on the. That's on the list. That's on the list of possibilities.

A (6:04)

For sure.

B (6:04)

Well, you're from there. How would that area handle something like that?

C (6:08)

Well, it would be really interesting because as ESPN shows, the highlight of Mark Andrews dropping the ball. Super Bowls in Santa Clara this year. Not the ideal location if we get Baltimore, Washington, but whatever. We want to pass.

A (6:21)

The thing that you're talking about. Yeah, that's why I'm. I believe in Baltimore this year on.

C (6:26)

A lot of levels.

A (6:27)

And that's one of them. That's one of those plays you don't get over.

C (6:30)

I know.

A (6:30)

So that's. You never get completion after a play like that.

C (6:33)

I know. They were right.

B (6:35)

That's the. Jackie Smith.

A (6:37)

You're going to be special.

B (6:38)

Jackie Smith, Cowboy, Steelers. Was that Super Bowl 13. 13.

A (6:43)

Just don't get over it.

C (6:44)

Well, didn't we do the list based on the Andrews drop.

A (6:47)

Yeah, we did a list around it that was a good.

C (6:49)

So. So it would. To answer your question, it would be a really big deal. Since Baltimore has existed as a football team, they have owned everything about football in that area. And it was really depressing as like a Redskins fan because you knew so many people who became Ravens fans. Like for example, growing up, you go to college, like I went to Maryland, A lot of people, their lives take them north of the D.C. area and they end up living in a Baltimore suburb instead. That happens a lot, like moving to Jersey. Here they become Baltimore people. I make fun of them, but it happens all the time. And a lot of them then naturally. For example, my cousin who's actually from Boston, we're Celtics fans together.

A (7:28)

Your cousin from Boston.

C (7:30)

Exactly. Well done.

B (7:31)

He.

C (7:32)

He was a lifelong. He's a lifelong Redskins fan. Cause of me, he's my little cousin. Right. So I'm a Celtics fan. He's a Redskins fan. He's raising a little boy in the DC area. He moved to DC lives and lives in DC. His little boy is like 7 years old. He's a Ravens fan. Why, why would you grow up in that area with Lamar Jackson? Like, it's just, it was hard. So there's a lot of pent up frustration from Washington fans. So that super bowl would be marked.

B (7:58)

What was it like? You were too young to remember because they were out of there by 84. But what was it like? Colts, Redskins?

C (8:05)

Oh, I really don't know.

B (8:07)

You don't know anybody old enough to know what it was like. I would, I would think you. There must have been a lot of cult fans in the D.C. area because when you're talking about 60s and 70s, the Redskins were not very good.

C (8:20)

That's, you know, I've been, I've literally never had that conversation because it's worth having. They were so popular when I was a kid, but I just, I never heard it. Washington was so popular by the eight. By the mid-80s.

B (8:34)

Yeah. By the time you became a football fan, you know, the Colts were gone. The, the Redskins were awesome. But if you go back to when the, when Johnny Unitis and dominating, you.

C (8:45)

Would think in Washington.

B (8:48)

They did have that run to the Super Bowl. What was that? Super Bowl 7?

C (8:51)

Yes, they did that might have maybe at that point already it started to really make the fan base blossom. That's a good question. But it would be faster.

B (8:59)

You can't ask your dad. Right. Because your dad wasn't a big.

C (9:01)

No, he wouldn't have cared.

B (9:02)

Is there anybody old enough that. That you know that would be able to.

C (9:05)

Yes. Yes. I actually know the. You want me to find out? I do.

B (9:09)

I was kind of curious.

C (9:09)

I'm going to find out right now. My friend Jody's dad, who's a Redskins fan going back to the 60s, he would be someone dad. But I never really heard about it. You always heard about the Colts leaving overnight. All of those things. I never heard about it in relation to Washington.

B (9:22)

Yeah. The Mayflower truck in the middle of the night.

A (9:25)

What do you do in that instance then? Judge of fraud. Your team moved in the middle of the night.

B (9:32)

You left without a team off at that point. Because that was such a scum move.

A (9:38)

What was pulled there. You were abandoned. So could you have become. Because there couldn't have been a real.

B (9:44)

Like, Colts, Redskins, like, even the territoriality. Right. It's like Jesse. Right. Like you could hate because of how the close proximity. But how many big games have they played? And they never played a Super bowl together. Like, I could see you making the pivot. But here's what. Here's what could be difficult, though, depending on your age, because if you were old enough, they were in the same league. Remember, the Colts had to go over to the AFC in the merger. But if you go back to the 50s and 60s, they did share some common ground.

A (10:15)

I know they never met a Super Bowl.

B (10:17)

God, that's a great question.

A (10:18)

They ever meet in a champion?

B (10:19)

Because honestly. And I'm not throwing shade. It's just the Redskins. Look at the Redskins history. You know that Sammy ball they had. They didn't wave back, though. They didn't have. They were bad for a long time. They were bad for a really, really long time.

A (10:35)

Never played each other in a championship either. They were division rivals, though. Division rivals from 53 to 69. Yeah.

B (10:44)

So it would be hard to probably just jump to Washington after Baltimore left. But what were you left to do?

A (10:51)

It's crazy.

B (10:52)

All the teams in the area were probably not gonna become an Eagles fan. Let's go to Tessa and Wes Caldwell. Haven't heard from her in a while. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Tess? Everything all right?

D (11:01)

Hey, guys. Yeah. What was crazy? And moving my daughter into college, all of that stuff like that. I'm back, you know, the season. Thank you guys so much. You know, season coming. I'm back. I'm locked in job. Already know, like, don't bother me on Monday. But it's like, you know how it is. I sometimes are driving Back from work, guys. You know, I just like to enjoy and just listen to you guys. And you know, I'll say I call tomorrow, but then I do have them times where I'm crashing out while I'm listening. I gotta call in because I wanted to call tomorrow, but I gotta call in today. Now, nobody might agree with me and that's okay, but I 100 agree with everything Don said about the optimism, the hope that I have for this season.

C (11:37)

Because it's been.

D (11:38)

It's felt like about a thousand years. But I can't help it. I cannot help but crash out with Peter. I can't do it. Peter. I'm so sorry.

C (11:44)

Listen, what did I do?

D (11:45)

Peter? I'm a Giant fan, Pete. As a Gian Giants fan. Yeah, you low key. I know you're excited. You the shiny new toy. You guys are a great team. But listen, as a Giants fan and probably half of the jets fan, we don't care how many national games you have, okay, you keep telling us we don't care that you gotta pay for seeing your nationally televised game. But what we do care about, which what I told you when the Lakers got eliminated.

C (12:11)

You care about when we whip your ass on Sunday. That's what you care about. Is that what you want, Tessa? No.

D (12:15)

You care about knocking your blood off Sunday. We care about punching ball in the mouth.

C (12:20)

Okay, well, good luck that let's re up in January.

D (12:22)

Better do his leg workout today. That's all I'm saying, Pete.

C (12:25)

Because I'm saying you don't care. You don't care.

D (12:28)

Defense is awesome.

C (12:30)

It's going to be. It's awesome. How many games have won you so far? This awesome defense, what's it done for you so far?

D (12:35)

Listen, all I'm saying is this. We were trash the past couple seasons. We're not going to be. I told you we was going to come up eventually. Whether it's this season or next season. I already said I think we win in seven games. What I'm saying is that you guys were trash for decades. What I'm saying is we're coming. And all I'm saying is this. You can't double deck. You can't double Abdul, you can't double Brian, you can't double us all the time.

C (12:55)

They're the 85 Bears. Already haven't even played a stack. It's the 85 Bears. What do you do?

D (13:00)

All I'm saying is this. We're not getting embarrassed. I'm. We'll move the draw. You know, I'm Calling Monday. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying we're not getting embarrassed Sunday. I'm not saying. By the way, did you hear the.

C (13:09)

Start of the show? I don't, I'm just saying did you hear the. Tess, did you hear the start of the show? But I, I said I don't think they're going to be embarrassed on Sunday. I'm, I'm, I think it'll be a, probably be a close game now. I don't understand.

D (13:18)

I need to be, I need to make you be quiet. That's why we Crazy thing is this, here's the crazy.

C (13:24)

This is what makes me hate some Giants fans. You, you have been loud forever. Commander's fans can't even be loud joke. Now the Commanders are finally good and worth some chatter. They have. They have the maybe may be the best quarterback in the conference and we still can't chirp. The Giants fans still get to chirp. No one ever does.

D (13:53)

So long you was, I'm be honest with you. For so long you was always our get right team. So I'm sorry to say, do not know more. But for so long you was always our get right team. So yeah, of course we don't want to give.

C (14:05)

We don't shine shoes anymore.

D (14:07)

You guys agree?

C (14:07)

Well, we don't, we don't have a. I don't have a shine box anymore. There's no shine box.

B (14:11)

Yeah, I know. I don't know if you heard.

C (14:12)

I don't know if you heard the shoes. I don't shine shoes anymore. The Commanders don't shine the shoes of the NFC east anymore. And by the way, no more shines.

B (14:20)

Billy.

C (14:21)

It's, it's. I, I, I'm not saying they're going to win the super bowl, but I will tell you this and Don, you remember I said it when it happened. And this is why I feel for jets fans that the owner's gone. It's literally over. They're a new, it's a new thing now. There is a new team in the NFC East. I, I'm not trying to like overstate it, but they're, they're not a joke anymore. I pray the jets one day get to have that because it's when you are saddled with a terrible owner, it will ruin you.

B (14:47)

I wonder if Alan agrees. I don't think Tessa likes you.

C (14:50)

I don't think so either.

B (14:51)

She was attacking you for talking about your national. You just have to talk. I'm a third of the show football stuff. Sounds like, she's upset that you're a third of the show.

C (15:02)

Yeah.

B (15:02)

She don't like you.

C (15:04)

She wants.

A (15:05)

She wants me to be an eighth.

B (15:06)

And, you know, it's really cool about it. What's almost liberating about the fact that Tessa hates you.

C (15:10)

Yeah.

B (15:10)

Is that it doesn't have anything to do with politics. That's actually. Have a genuine horde.

C (15:15)

No, it's just a sports hate.

B (15:17)

Right. Because most of the people that hate you have an agenda.

A (15:19)

Right.

C (15:20)

No, hers is full. Hers is full football hate.

A (15:22)

There was once a. There was once a wonderful time in our country where that's really.

C (15:25)

That was when the biggest.

A (15:27)

That was the biggest date.

B (15:28)

I appreciate Tessa for that.

C (15:29)

No, I do, too. But, like, she just. Here's the thing about Tessa, though. She and John. You're a Giants fan. I understand. She has something to say. No matter what. Like, they're good. She's talking. They're bad. She's talking, they're awful. She's talking.

A (15:43)

There's always. That's what makes a good caller.

B (15:45)

I'm also getting the vibe that I don't think Peter's got any love for her either. Clearly, it's two people that genuinely don't like each other.

C (15:51)

I'm not a huge fan.

A (15:54)

What do you think? Put the gloves on, get in the ring.

C (15:57)

No, there's not. Listen, we're going to play our games. I. But the mean part is, for not one second have I disrespected the Giants this offseason. No, like, I really. I think the Jackson Dart thing's exciting. I. Listen, I think that they could have a. I think they could win six, seven games this year. I think they could have a nice little season. Maybe they even somehow win eight games.

A (16:15)

He said patronizing.

C (16:17)

It was patronizing because they're not a great team.

A (16:19)

Yeah. Good little season.

C (16:20)

Well, you don't have a quarter if you don't know. If you have a quarterback who could predict a team to win a lot of games, it's an unreasonable take.

B (16:27)

I think genuine sports hate is fun.

A (16:29)

Right.

B (16:30)

And I.

A (16:31)

If you're a Giants fan this season going into this year, and they're want to talk. They want to talk about everything that Don just said and everything that Tessa said, too, about a defense and a front, and that's a. That's a return to what, you know, Giants football is about get after the quarterback. And now you have a young quarterback that you want to see at some point. There's a lot of anticipation. And so if you're a Giants Fan. What you're not interested in is your watching habits of your commanders, who everybody acknowledge is probably going to be back in the Final Four this year.

B (17:01)

Make no mistake, I say so.

A (17:02)

I think that sets people off.

B (17:03)

I feel hope. My hope is based on not being a tire fire, not being a weekly embarrassment. I don't think they're a playoff team. I hope they have meaningful games in December and because of the third wild card, there's a possibility of that.

C (17:17)

But if you do get the meaningful games in December, I just want to put this out here. That means probably you didn't get to look at Jackson Dart this year, which is fine. Which fine. But there are some fans who are really excited this year because they want to see Jackson Dart play. Because what does a half decent year with Russell Wilson do for you?

A (17:34)

There are some fans who might suggest that those meaningful games will be with Jackson Dart once they make the move because there's a lot of people who are pushing that agenda.

B (17:44)

And there's another.

C (17:44)

Is such an unlikely scenario.

A (17:46)

It's unlikely. But if you have a really good defense.

C (17:48)

No, no. Not because they can't win games.

A (17:49)

Very possible.

C (17:50)

Not because they can't win games, but because the likelihood that it plays out exactly like Kurt Warner and Elon and they have a winning record and then moved Don. If they have a winning record, I don't see them moving away from Russell Wilson.

A (18:01)

No, no, it's not. It doesn't have to be like that.

C (18:02)

So what would it be?

A (18:03)

It's like this. I'm getting to a point of this season where I have to get through this September, which is hell.

C (18:09)

Okay.

A (18:09)

Okay. I want to get into the season. But if that defense starts showing you elite ability, which I know you wanted to make jokes about 85, they could be good. That's really good. That front's elite. Like they're good. They stay healthy. They're good. So if you're getting now to the middle of the season and the offense is fine, the defense looks elite. And I'm saying to myself, if I put the kid in, the offense is not going to get worse. It not. It might not get better, but it ain't getting worse. So why don't I do this? Because this defense is good enough. I don't think I'm conservative with a young player.

C (18:43)

I hear what you're saying.

A (18:43)

I think they do it.

C (18:44)

It exists. I don't think it's a likely scenario. And there's the other piece of that is Russell Wilson better be incredibly protected if you're considering going to Jackson Dart because the one thing we know about Russell Wilson is Russell Wilson is at least going to be able to protect himself. So if the line isn't great, you'd rather have a veteran who knows how to deal with that than a rookie who everything's going to seem 100 miles an hour.

A (19:08)

What if I have the Russell Wilson that runs around a lot and makes my offensive line crazy? Because we know this is what he does. All the holds onto the ball, burps the baby, moves around a lot. He does throw the moon ball. He can do those. But he also can make you crazy because he'll hesitate and all of a sudden now he's running around and everybody's like, what are we doing? Because that was the frustration with him at the end in Seattle and obviously in Denver especially. They couldn't stand it in Denver because he kept doing that. Got it.

C (19:35)

Please. Played on a lot of teams.

A (19:36)

So think about it. If it's happening that way, do we reach that point where Dable's like, I think we just need to simplify this offense? Maybe now the offensive line's not running around pulling like crazy because they don't know where their quarterback's going, so it's time to put the kid in?

C (19:51)

It could happen.

A (19:51)

That could happen.

C (19:53)

I just don't think, Dom, that there's a likelihood that that happens. And you're also hoping to compete for a playoff spot. Not likely. It could. Actually, it's likely.

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I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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C (21:57)

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B (22:03)

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C (22:05)

We won't be out for that.

A (22:06)

It's time for that Guy guy Thursday. Hey, guys, Anyone want to play some ball with Don Han and Rosenberg?

B (22:13)

He's just being that guy.

C (22:15)

All right. I got to tell you, I, I listen, the Thursday rewrite was fun. It's. It's going to be a tough sledding for the Thursday rewrite. That intro was. It may be the best intro. I don't know the segment's going to be. It's the best intro we have. That was tremendous.

A (22:31)

The Thursday rewrite became like a major effort week after week.

C (22:36)

It's a haul.

A (22:37)

Right. Rewriting a story and all. That's a lot of. And so this just feels a little more fun, a little more inclusive of all of us.

C (22:44)

Yeah.

A (22:45)

And we love to rip on people.

C (22:46)

We love ripping.

B (22:47)

Now Peter has one. If you don't mind, I'll start.

A (22:50)

Please, please do.

C (22:51)

Please. For God's sake.

B (22:52)

So on first Take today.

C (22:54)

Oh, boy.

B (22:55)

Ryan Clark, Dan Orlofsky and Stephen A. Smith were doing a segment. Do you believe Arch Manning is a generational quarterback?

C (23:03)

I know where you're going.

B (23:04)

All right. Well, Ryan Clark, this was his comment about Arch Manning being a generational quarterback. This was today on first take.

A (23:15)

I think John Elway was a generational talent. I think Patrick Mahomes is a generational talent. I don't think Tom Brady, I don't think Drew Brees. I don't think Peyton Manning are generational talents. I think Andrew Luck ended up being a generational talent. I don't think there's a ton of them out there.

B (23:29)

What the hell are you talking about? Love you, but what are you talking about? I don't. I don't. Again, I don't have the whole context of the segment. I'm guessing he's talking about the physical abilities of running the ball, the arm strength. But how do you not describe what many people believe is the greatest quarterback in the history of football? Tom Brady, not a generational talent. Peyton Manning broke every record while he was playing. He might not have been able to beat Tom Brady, but Peyton Manning, like, broke every record that was out there.

C (23:58)

Now, Drew Brees, we can have a.

B (24:00)

Conversation I can understand, but, like, again, the context, I guess, is just about talent. But how would you ever say that Patrick Mahomes is a generational talent and Peyton Manning wasn't?

C (24:13)

Well, Patrick Mahomes is undoubtedly a more impressive physical specimen than Peyton Manning with what he can do. He has a bigger arm. Mahomes has a bigger arm than Peyton. Not as accurate, but very, very accurate. Can scramble creatively, whereas Peyton literally can't move. He's a statue. So I can. You can say he's physically more gifted, but, I mean, there were times Peyton Manning did things with accuracy. I've just never seen a quarterback do you.

B (24:49)

Because now you're getting it. So what? You can't be a generational talent unless you can scramble? Is that what he's saying? No, because Tom Brady had an arm. All right, let's not make it seem like he didn't have an arm, all right? John Elway was the greatest quarterback I ever saw because he had a strong arm, very accurate, could do everything. But to say because Tom Brady and Peyton Manning were pocket quarterbacks, they can't be generational talent.

C (25:16)

I'm making that up because I don't know exactly what his.

B (25:18)

Well, that's the only thing that I think can be debatable. Right, Is that he's. He's saying because a pocket quarterback can't be a. Considered a generational talent because they didn't have the ability to scramble. They were only just smart and had big arms.

C (25:34)

Can I say this accurate? Can I say this about my guy, R.C. because I think of the three of us, I think I have the. The most personal connection with the man I really do care for. Ryan. I like Ryan quite a bit. We came to the company the same time. It's my dude. He is that guy. I have friends in my life who are that guy.

B (25:52)

Well, that's interesting because that's the Name.

C (25:53)

Of the segment, that guy Thursday, Ryan is lit. No, Ryan in a lot of ways is the poster boy for that guy. Last week on Twitter he posted like he made an official declaration. You know where I'm going, Jacob. He made an official declaration last week on Twitter that Chris Brown is more talented than Michael Jackson. He is that guy. Like he likes to be.

B (26:15)

So by the way, doesn't make you a bad guy. It just makes you that guy.

C (26:18)

Exactly. Not bad guy. That guy.

A (26:20)

Well, that. But that's, that's. This segment is not bad guy.

C (26:23)

It's that guy.

A (26:23)

It's that guy.

C (26:24)

What you said pales to. Chris Brown is more talented than Michael Jackson. Pales. That's the most egregious. Chris Brown's incredibly talented. He doesn't have one classic album. So my point is don't be surprised. RC has a tendency that by the way, Pivot's a very popular podcast, does a great job on television because he has conversations like this. But it's unquestionably of that guy comment. How can Brady. We're trying too hard to say Brady's not a generational talent. Drew Brees, no problem. I don't care. Drew Brees put up hugely padded numbers playing inside of New Orleans with Sean Payton and one of the greatest offense we've ever seen.

A (27:02)

But Tom Brady, what makes it that guy is. He's saying it because he knows he can look at you and say, I played in the league. I know that's what makes it that guy.

B (27:13)

Yeah.

A (27:14)

Like I played against Tom Brady, played.

C (27:16)

Against all of them.

A (27:16)

I could tell you like, like that's the thing is once that happens, what response do lay people have?

C (27:22)

Nothing but nothing.

B (27:23)

It's playing with the vernacular. Right. Because what do they say about a baseball player, the ultimate talent in baseball, if he's a five tool guy.

A (27:33)

Right.

B (27:34)

If he's a five tool player. Yeah. There's plenty of guys that were five tool players that weren't great. Like Derek Jeter wasn't a five tool player. He's not a generational talent.

A (27:43)

Right.

B (27:45)

Alex Rodriguez, he didn't have speed. So does that make him not a generational talent? It's a word salad in the sense that. And this is why I think he's that guy is because he knows the headline is going to be and we're going to get talk about it because what he's saying is that those guys are not as good. Those guys are not. Are way better than Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. He would probably come on and say, no, I'M saying that they weren't as talented, so how can they be generational talents? But all right, maybe they don't have the same talents, but the talents that they had. Well, here's made it work.

A (28:22)

By the way, though, generational, who is the best quarterback of Tom Brady's generation?

C (28:27)

Tom Brady?

B (28:28)

Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? And it would probably go to Tom because Tom always beat Peyton. Those were the quarterbacks.

A (28:34)

So isn't that kind of by definition what it's about?

C (28:37)

I would think so.

A (28:39)

There's nothing else to say. Like, if you're true. Like that's trying too hard to make a point, to sound smarter and also make people react. And by the way, mission accomplished.

B (28:49)

Yeah. Mission all three. Right. But it's. I don't.

A (28:53)

That's. But that's a great way, though, to start off that guy because it's just to let people know that guy doesn't mean bad guy. It just means that guy.

B (29:00)

Mission accomplished is right now.

C (29:01)

Now. Also, it would lead to a fun conversation at some point. Good thing we have a sports talk program. We have four hours to fill every day about generational talents. Like in sports, how many can you have? How many can you really say there are in one generation? What does that actually mean? Because there's a difference between being great and being a generational talent. We hear people throw that around, particularly draft time.

A (29:23)

We say elite too much.

C (29:23)

Also, we say elite too much. Around the draft time, we'll hear people say, oh, this guy could be a generational talent. What does that actually mean? Now for me, Don, I'm going to just keep it with the. Where this segment came from, the origin story of that guy happened really twice this week. There were two videos moving around that really summed it up. You had the Polish businessman who stole a hat away from a kid at the US Open.

A (29:53)

This was going to be mine.

C (29:54)

So I can let you take it because keep going and we can just talk about it. So there's that guy.

A (30:00)

This is what started it.

C (30:01)

And then the other, that guy, very similar, was at the baseball game. It was the Mets game, I believe, in the bleachers. Who came down an adult who came down from his row to a couple of rows in front of him to pry a baseball out of another adult's hand. Well, and then take the ball back to a seat.

A (30:21)

And was it a dad? Feebly elderly. He was an older guy. Like, he ripped it out of his hand. Like the guy was not. Like, we're not talking about two men in their 40s, but even so, you're a weird guy. Was.

C (30:32)

What do you do? What are you. When you get to a certain age, if the thing that gets thrown out to the crowd or ends up in the crowd doesn't land in your lap, or you can't reach up and easily grab it, you look like a toolbox fighting to get. Whether it's a baseball, a tennis ball, a hockey puck, God forbid, one of those branded T shirts shot from a cannon. Which is the worst one. When you see people fighting over an eight dollar T shirt that has that says Sovereign bank across the front of it and you would never even wear the first.

A (31:09)

The next time you wash it, you can't wear it anymore.

C (31:11)

The definition of that guy, Alan, is people. And the guy who stole it at the US Open.

A (31:16)

Well, the US Open thing, there's a whole story to this. So. Right. This is a Polish CEO. Don't even ask me to pronounce the name, but it looks like his first name would be pronounced Peter.

C (31:28)

I don't like that.

A (31:30)

He obviously after that video. So for those who don't know, there was a boy in the crowd and one of the players was signing autographs and he signed a hat, I think. Was it his hat? Whatever it was. He signed a hat.

C (31:46)

It was his hat. Yeah.

A (31:47)

And was handing it to the boy. It was in the boy's actual grasp. And this man reached down and ripped the hat out of the boy's hands. The boy was stunned and looked at the guy like, what are you doing? And then he just turned and walked away with a smile on his face. And so he got. Obviously just. They identified him, which is amazing, but that's what we're doing now.

C (32:09)

Yep.

A (32:09)

He was identified. And of course a hailstorm of criticism and all types of negativity to him and his company to a point where, of course. What do you think came next? Hmm.

C (32:23)

He had to give some nonsense. Excuse me.

A (32:27)

Exactly. He called it a huge mistake and admitted he showed extremely poor judgment. Now what also can happen on a positive side? So he's that guy. And if you are listening right now and you know you've either done this or would do this, that there's a kid or anybody around in these types of situations, Autograph moment or a baseball. And you're going to physically overwhelm a child to get whatever was there, even if it's not in their hands yet, you're that guy.

C (33:04)

Yeah, it's.

B (33:05)

It's that guy.

A (33:07)

And if you say. If you say I'm getting it from my kid, you're still that guy, but.

B (33:12)

Also a bad guy.

A (33:13)

All right, but. So the tennis player, another name I can't pronounce, saw this, got hold of the boy, signed a hat, gave it to him. And there's video of that because he.

C (33:27)

Had no idea that it happened.

A (33:28)

So he made sure. Yeah, no, he turned his back, had no clue.

C (33:31)

He couldn't tell. He just held the hat back up.

A (33:33)

How about this dude? There was another video that surfaced of another tennis player who had turned their back. The backpacks on. When they're walking away, they're signing autographs, which is a nice thing to do when they're done with their matches. They don't have to do this, but they do it. He turns for a second to talk to whomever was there on the court with him. A fan reached to his bag. Another grown man reached to his bag to take something out of the bag. And somebody saw. I think a security guard saw it and stepped in. And the face the guy made was almost as. Looks like, oh, I can't do that. Shocked. This. This is.

C (34:06)

When are we going to grow up.

A (34:08)

And realize, like, this isn't. You don't do these things. Whatever you're taking from them, what are.

C (34:12)

You gonna do with it? I just. I guess here's the thing, just to be clear.

A (34:16)

Signed hat.

C (34:17)

I understand, like, celebrity love. Right? Like, everybody, no matter how much you know, one of my favorite jokes, me and Natalie have an inside joke that we love when she'll say, like, oh, I wanna go. Can we meet so and so. And my joke will always be, but, yeah, you don't even care about meeting celebrities. Because everybody says they don't care about meeting celebrities. And everybody loves meeting celebrities. Celebrities love meeting celebrities. It's a normal thing.

A (34:38)

I get it.

C (34:38)

I get it. Totally get it.

A (34:39)

Sure.

C (34:40)

Right. But people don't have any common decency. We're on that guy. Thursday. There was a big story in wrestling this week because when we were all out in Paris for Clash in Paris, some of these, the fans were generally amazing. But some of these fans will wait near the hotel and they'll approach women and crowd these women wrestlers like they're not human when they're just trying to get in an Uber and live their life. Yeah. And touch them. And you have to have some sense of normalcy.

A (35:12)

These people are just people because they can control themselves. Sometimes when you're in the midst of somebody that you've only known as this thing on a screen and now I see you in real life, they can't.

B (35:22)

Wrap Their mind around the difference.

C (35:24)

But hold on. But all three of us are normal people. I've been out in public and went, oh, my God, that's so and so. I'm just not going to go bother them.

A (35:32)

There's more to this that I just found. Okay, going back to it real quick. The CEO. The CEO, he actually first put out a statement that said this. I understand that some people might not like it, but please, let's not make a global scandal out of the hat. It's just a hat. If you were faster, you would have it. Oh, he said that. Then he said, I remind you that insulting a public figure is subject to legal liability. All offensive comments, slander, and insinuations will be analyzed for the possibility of taking the matter to court. How'd that work out? So now he's getting completely doxed. Like, he's getting.

C (36:05)

Wait, so he doubled down?

A (36:06)

Oh, no, that was the first.

C (36:07)

Yeah, yeah.

A (36:09)

Then after that.

C (36:10)

Now after the. Now after the double. Double down.

A (36:13)

Then he finally. This was Monday. Then he goes, I would like to unequivocally apologize to the young boy, his family, all the fans, and the player himself. I take full responsibility for my extremely poor judgment and hurtful actions. I got caught up in the heat of the moment and the joy of the victory, mistakenly thinking that he was handing the hat to me to give to my sons. Now, you're really that guy because you just brought your kids in as the excuse of why you acted the way.

B (36:39)

You did a lot of. Toolbox.

A (36:42)

Toolbox.

B (36:42)

I never understood. I never understood, like, people buying autographs or, like, in that case, trying to take an autograph away. I thought the whole idea of an autograph was proof that you met a celebrity. That's why autographs are really not anything anymore. When you meet somebody, everybody wants to take a picture because that. That proves, I got. Hey, I met so and so last weekend. Look, I got a picture.

C (37:03)

Even though I can ruin that, too.

B (37:04)

Back in the day, it would be like, I met Lawrence Taylor this week. Look, I got his autograph. Like, so when you buy an autograph, it just.

A (37:11)

It's.

B (37:11)

It just. The whole thing is weird to me, but so is life.

A (37:14)

The US Open is loaded with fan behavior. It's unreal what's been going on.

B (37:19)

The whole thing is tool.

C (37:20)

The whole.

B (37:20)

The whole. Really?

A (37:22)

All right, so how is that? Good?

C (37:23)

Good. That was.

B (37:24)

That was good.

A (37:24)

I think.

B (37:24)

I think this is what we have moving forward. The one thing we're never going to be out of are that guys, every.

C (37:29)

Week now I want to ask you guys an honest question. I Please answer the truth.

B (37:33)

Sure.

C (37:34)

Did you both I don't think you fully did. Did you both truly hear how good the intro was or were you kind of folks were coming out of commercial like don't.

B (37:42)

Really good.

C (37:42)

You really heard it? Yeah. Just making sure. Yeah. I thought I was the only one reacting in the room to how good it was. I I and I respect Mike Brownshirt and I respect Anthony Pusick. Just want to make sure they're getting their due respect.

B (37:53)

Of course they do. And you know what? Because it's so good, you're gonna hear it Every Thursday at 4:30.

A (37:58)

I love it.

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I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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C (40:16)

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C (40:19)

And it's gonna be a time.

A (40:21)

So this is gonna be all of us sitting and watching the game and there's. There's only I believe, two of us that have any vested interest. The rest of you just gonna make fun of us.

B (40:32)

So it's you and Rick.

A (40:33)

Yeah.

B (40:34)

And Ricky Jace. Let's say he doesn't have blood in the ground.

A (40:38)

Wow.

B (40:38)

He's a Jet fan. But he grew up in Boston. The hockey.

A (40:42)

But that's.

B (40:43)

This is new. If he was drafted by. If he was drafted by the Washington Capitals, he'd be a commander.

C (40:50)

Yeah, it's.

B (40:51)

It's actually, I'm not saying he's not.

A (40:52)

A fan, but he grew up in Boston and never took to the Patriots.

B (40:56)

No, I'm not calling him a fraud.

C (40:58)

Well, I am.

B (40:58)

No, no, I'm not calling him a fraud.

C (41:00)

Good.

B (41:01)

I mean he just came here, he.

A (41:02)

Had a relationship there and right away was like, you know, I got to meet some of the players and he just became of course a Jets fan.

B (41:08)

Right. And. But I'm just saying.

A (41:09)

Still at Hofstra.

B (41:10)

But you could yard his tentacles don't go as deep as Allen's who's been a Jet fan since the kid Dan Grassa, who's got a picture of like the seven year old Dan Grasser wearing no. A Jet uniform. Like, that's all I'm saying. He's losing no sleep. He's new to it.

A (41:24)

I've been with him with Jet games. It's in him.

C (41:29)

Fine. But you could make the argument, Don, that Rick doesn't get enough credit for being a low key fraud.

B (41:36)

No, I'm not gonna. I'm not signing on with this. He's not a fraud.

C (41:40)

Well, what's he. What are his.

B (41:41)

I'm just an accusation because he doesn't have the longevity for his age and the scar tissue.

A (41:50)

25 years.

B (41:51)

He's 40 years.

C (41:52)

25. He's 4.

B (41:53)

How old is he?

A (41:54)

What?

B (41:55)

He's 40.

A (41:56)

He's been a Jet fan since 2000. He was drafted in 2000. I know it's hard to believe, but he was drafted in 2000. That's when he came to New York. That's when it's kind of like settled in with him.

B (42:07)

I know. I'M not good with math.

C (42:09)

Well, 2000 was 25 years ago, but.

B (42:11)

But he wasn't drafted at 15. So how old is he? He's not 40 then. He's older than 40.

A (42:16)

He was drafted at 18. Yeah, yeah.

B (42:18)

So he's 43. I'm just saying if you take an average 43. This is all I'm saying. I'm not calling him a fraud. Rick, don't call. Well, then you own that fraud. I'm not saying you file charges. I'm just saying if you take your average 43 year old Jet fan because of when he jumped on board, you're saying he doesn't have the scar tissue that the average 43 year old does because he didn't have to live through. He didn't live through the pain of the 98 championship game, right?

A (42:44)

No.

B (42:45)

When they had the lead at the half against the Broncos.

A (42:47)

You do. I know all you do.

B (42:49)

The average 43 year old fan does.

A (42:50)

But see, it's not even that pain though, Don. The pain is more.

C (42:53)

No, he's got a tow tight season. That's pain, right?

B (42:56)

And he wasn't there for that either.

C (42:57)

You know, everything Marino just routinely finding.

B (43:01)

All I'm saying is, is if I plucked a 43 year old out of the Shula, right, then they could talk about the 96 season, they can talk about the 98 championship game, they could talk about that in 97, the 9, 7 season in Detroit with the ill fated option. So I'm not calling him a fraud, I'm not calling him a fan. I'm just saying because he got to join a little later, he doesn't have the scar tissue, others do. But believe me, knowing the jets, he'll eventually.

A (43:32)

I mean, think about it, he hasn't seen them make the playoffs in 15 years.

B (43:37)

That's a lot of scar tissue dog, that he has. But all I'm saying is it's a lot of scar to you. All it is is that it's not what you normally get at that age because most Jet fans were fans at birth and he joined up when he got here at 18.

A (43:51)

Okay?

B (43:52)

So I'm saying don't try to cause a rift. Michael did that.

A (43:56)

It's not.

C (43:56)

You don't do that.

A (43:57)

It's not the rift. I'm saying we're going to be sitting there, right? And the only ones that have a vested interest are the two of us. The rest of you can just have a grand old time making jokes, having fun. And the two of us know the.

B (44:06)

Jeff fans is Grass a guy.

A (44:09)

Well, he's got to work.

C (44:10)

Well, Ty.

B (44:10)

What about Ty?

A (44:11)

Is Ty part of this? Is he on?

B (44:13)

Does he not work here?

A (44:14)

Is he not on the list?

B (44:15)

Jacob, are you staying? You're a Jet fan. You're going to stay, right? Oh, I'll be staying. If it gets ugly by half time.

A (44:20)

You know he can, but he can leave. No, you're not allowed. I'm locking you down.

B (44:24)

Okay, I'll be with you.

A (44:26)

You're not leaving. If you don't leave until I'm leaving.

C (44:27)

I'll say this, the jets are so bad and boring.

A (44:31)

Where are the names?

C (44:31)

This cast is a really great opportunity.

A (44:33)

The list is there.

B (44:35)

We don't have a list.

A (44:35)

We don't have all of our people that are supposed to be at this.

B (44:37)

We don't have it. But I'm just saying, all the people that work at the radio station.

C (44:40)

Morning show.

A (44:41)

Morning show.

B (44:42)

All right, so that's Carlin.

D (44:43)

Hey, you three.

A (44:44)

Ty Butler's doing a show and will come out during commercial.

C (44:47)

Oh, yeah, Tyler.

B (44:47)

So what about Dan? If Dan's not doing a show, Dan's got the jets.

C (44:51)

What about the astronauts?

B (44:52)

But wait, so Bart. Bart's obviously.

A (44:55)

He's got an appearance that are not.

B (44:57)

Say again?

C (44:58)

Bart and Dan are not.

A (44:59)

Yeah, Bart's got to work. Art's got his work.

B (45:02)

He's got the SNY stuff. All right, we can make an effort. It's the same city.

A (45:05)

Well, it's actually not that far away.

B (45:06)

It's not that far away, but you're gonna get. What about Jake?

A (45:09)

Asmon's gotta be there. He's gotta have some event. He's gonna have a bar filled with people. Yeah, and making side. That's his side hustle, man. There's no way he's going to lose money to come hang out with us.

B (45:19)

We're going to sit there and make fun of Alan and Rick and maybe he'll have this conversation with Rick at some point. So it's all happening Monday, September 29th. Starts at 7:00 o' clock on Ecuador.

C (45:28)

Oh, and John Winthrop will be there, though. Make fun of him.

A (45:30)

He will.

C (45:30)

Yeah. Which YouTube channel there, Don. Does it say. What was the last thing you said at the end?

B (45:35)

Our YouTube. Our YouTube channel.

A (45:37)

ESPN. New York's YouTube channel.

C (45:39)

We should probably. Probably should say specifically what it is.

B (45:41)

No, I'm just saying. When did we read it?

C (45:44)

See, that's now, Alan. See, that's exactly right.

B (45:45)

That's on. You.

A (45:48)

Knew this.

B (45:49)

I could lie and you would know.

A (45:51)

He.

B (45:51)

I read it. It said our. I read our.

A (45:53)

I would know.

B (45:54)

So you don't listen, you don't care.

A (45:56)

But you'll be there.

C (45:57)

Our back. Get it?

B (45:59)

Hour back. I'll call you back in an hour.

A (46:01)

Get it back, hour back.

B (46:05)

What's the difference if I call you 15 minutes or an hour hour back.

C (46:08)

Get it? This is the second time that you've.

B (46:11)

Stopped counting what I do, you know, now I'm going to do it every day. People are done with you, by the way. We're going to get to some calls of it. I'm going to get to my baseball at some point. Don Hannah Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

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