Hour 2: The List

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: The List

Episode Information:

• Title: Hour 2: The List
• Release Date: February 12, 2025
• Hosts: Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
• Description: The trio delves into the world of sports and beyond, offering insightful discussions and spirited debates.

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Introduction to "The List" [00:36 - 01:04]

In this episode, the hosts embark on creating a compelling list centered around athletes who, despite having commendable careers, are predominantly remembered for a singular, often negative, moment. Don LaGreca initiates the discussion by highlighting his intrigue and uncertainty about potential list candidates.

Don LaGreca:
"I'm excited about this one because I really, I'm in the dark on this." [00:36]

Player #5: Bill Buckner [02:08 - 03:05]

Alan Hahn introduces Bill Buckner as the fifth entry on the list. Buckner, while a solid player, is infamously remembered for missing crucial free throws during the Orlando Magic's pivotal moments.

Alan Hahn:
"If that's number five, that's five. If that." [02:09]

Peter Rosenberg:
_"Number five is Buckner." [03:05]

Player #4: Jim Marshall [03:05 - 05:03]

Jim Marshall, known for his notorious wrong-way run, secures the fourth spot. Despite a lengthy career with the Minnesota Vikings, Marshall's blunder remains a significant part of his legacy.

Peter Rosenberg:
"Jim Marshall didn't make the hall of Fame, but He played like 20 years in Minnesota from like 1960 to 1979." [04:29]

Don LaGreca:
"He was just in wide open space, right?" [04:42]

Player #3: Gary Anderson [05:03 - 08:17]

Gary Anderson, celebrated for his flawless field goal record that season, faces criticism for a critical miss that overshadowed his achievements. The discussion underscores the juxtaposition of his consistent performance against a single error.

Peter Rosenberg:
"He's Gary Anderson hasn't missed in two years. That's a pretty good bet. If you say do you think Gary Anderson will make this field goal? The answer should probably be yes." [05:03]

Alan Hahn:
"In 1998, I mean field goal distances have definitely changed but the 90. In 1998, a 39 yard field goal is a 39 yard field goal." [06:46]

Player #2: Jackie Smith [08:26 - 12:06]

Jackie Smith, a Hall of Famer, falls into the second spot due to a memorable dropped pass in a critical game. Despite his illustrious career, this moment remains etched in fans' memories.

Peter Rosenberg:
"Peter Rosenberg: There you go. Play it, Andrew." [08:43]

Don LaGreca:
"He's got to be the sickest man." [08:59]

Peter Rosenberg:
"In America, let me put it." [08:59]

Player #1: Chris Weber [10:08 - 12:06]

Crowning the list, Chris Weber embodies the pinnacle of an athlete whose legacy is marred by a single, defining mistake—calling a timeout when none were available, resulting in a technical foul.

Peter Rosenberg:
"This one you're all gonna agree with and you're all gonna know Chris Weber." [10:08]

Don LaGreca:
"He can't make a layup, which was not true. But in one situation, he couldn't five times." [16:28]

Alan Hahn:
"I think this is the reason I love this list. Each one had tremendous audio. But there's also a lot to argue." [10:50]

Listener Interactions and Debates [19:25 - 29:36]

The episode fosters engagement with listeners who call in to share their perspectives, leading to debates about the subjective nature of the list. Callers suggest alternative candidates like Ernest Byner and challenge the inclusion of certain players based on their personal experiences and regional loyalties.

Caller:
"This is like a list of guys that in a nursing home you're going back and forth and yelling." [19:35]

Peter Rosenberg:
"But the thing is is where I weighed it by the quality of player." [12:06]

Don LaGreca:
"But when you hear the name, we immediately know, not just. Oh, let me look that up." [11:39]

Expanding the Discussion: International Play [26:12 - 29:36]

Transitioning from the list, the hosts delve into the realm of international basketball play, contemplating the feasibility and excitement of an NBA in-season tournament featuring national or continental teams. They discuss the challenges of assembling competitive teams from various regions and the potential impact on player participation and fan interest.

Don LaGreca:
"But Peter and I were more expecting the thing that the lasting moment in sports, no matter who it was." [21:55]

Peter Rosenberg:
"But if you think that play is going to defy. How can it even define Judge now?" [21:09]

Alan Hahn:
"For anyone who doesn't like recall or, you know, you're a youngster, that Vikings team was so special." [07:38]

Conclusion and Final Thoughts [30:21 - End]

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the subjective nature of defining moments in sports and the enduring impact these moments have on athletes' legacies. They express curiosity about future topics and encourage listeners to continue engaging with the show.

Don LaGreca:
"Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast." [25:26]

Peter Rosenberg:
"I'll pay off on the other side." [30:21]

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Notable Quotes:

• Don LaGreca:
  "I do have an idea for this. Let's take a break." [30:21]

• Peter Rosenberg:
  "If you walk outside the building and I said Chris Weber, there'd be enough people that would just do a timeout." [11:39]

• Alan Hahn:
  "What we have is creating reaction." [19:25]

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Key Takeaways:

1. Defining Moments: The episode underscores how a single moment can overshadow an athlete's entire career, shaping public perception.

2. Subjectivity of Lists: The hosts and callers highlight the inherent subjectivity in ranking and selecting such moments, influenced by personal biases and regional affiliations.

3. Legacy vs. Infamy: There's a delicate balance between honoring an athlete's achievements and acknowledging their infamous moments, leading to passionate debates.

4. Engagement with Listeners: Interactive segments with callers enrich the discussion, bringing diverse viewpoints and fostering a dynamic conversation.

5. Expansion to International Sports: The dialogue extends beyond the list, exploring the potential for international tournaments in basketball and the complexities involved in team formation.

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Conclusion:

"Hour 2: The List" delves deep into the narratives of athletes whose careers are punctuated by memorable missteps. Through spirited discussions and listener interactions, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg offer a comprehensive exploration of how singular moments can define or distort sporting legacies. This episode not only provides insightful commentary but also invites listeners to reflect on the broader implications of fame, infamy, and the stories we choose to remember in the world of sports.

Transcript

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[Don LaGreca]

This is the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don LaGreca]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. All right, I'm excited about this one because I really, I'm in the dark on this. I do know the topic. I don't know who you'd have on it. I've been trying to rack my brain to see. If you don't say one of these, maybe I will. So Don Lagra has his list, and in case we have a new audience, don't want to reset it, give him the topic and let's roll through it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here we go.

[Alan Hahn]

So basically, we talked. Nick Anderson of the Orlando Magic came up. And if you're a youngster and you don't remember the Penny Hardaway, Shaq, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott. Magic were a great team, made it to the Finals, took on Houston, and in a pivotal, pivotal moment, Nick Anderson, I believe, missed four, four consecutive free throws on two trips to the free throw line down the stretch. And he, he, and now he's a guy that most young people will go, who's Nick Anderson? But if you watch at the time, was a really nice player, a big contributor to that team who's known for that moment. So the question I asked Don, I said, don, you got to make a list, name players where they had a really good career, but when you hear their name, all you think of is the bad moment in a game.

[Don LaGreca]

There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now we're going to weigh it, obviously. Moment. And the way I talked about it with Peter is, is that when I give you the name, you'll know the moment. That's the test. There we go. All right. And also the quality of players. So number five.

[Don LaGreca]

Number five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've got Bill Buckner.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, if that's number five, that's five. If that. Alan, if that's five, where are we going at one? Because it's got to get more demonstrated. Yeah, I, I, you, Alan, you think it could be one?

[Don LaGreca]

It could be I thought that was one, but you know what I gotta hear.

[Alan Hahn]

But it has to mean. Well, my guess is, is that Buckner is a really nice player. But my guess is whoever's at one is going to be a significantly better player than Buckner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's. Let's play the clip because work was done here.

[Caller]

So the winning run is at second.

[Alan Hahn]

There he is with 2, 3 and.

[Don LaGreca]

2 to Mookie W.

[Caller]

Little roller up along first, behind the back. It gets through Buckner. Here comes Knight and the Mets win it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So that's number four.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what's interesting? We all say, gets by Buckner. He said, gets through Buckner. You notice that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, he did.

[Don LaGreca]

He did. We all say he said, gets through Buckner. Because I remember everybody would always yell, gets by Buckner. Like, you know, like he actually says, gets through Buckner. I haven't heard that call in years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, that's how good Ben is call, too. But that's the national call. That's number five.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, number five is Buckner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow. Now what I'm going to do is if you don't guess it, then we'll play. Well, we're going to play the clip anyway. But I want to know if you know the mistake and then once you guess it right, Anthony will fire off the highlight because he did the work. Number. Number four. All right, Jim Marshall.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm gonna say for me, it's a no.

[Don LaGreca]

I got nothing there, Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really.

[Caller]

Myra straight back to pass, looking NAS, stops, throws, completes it to Kilmer up at the 30 yard line. Kilmer driving for the first down, loses the football. It's pick by Jim Marshall is running the wrong way. Marshall is running the wrong way and he's running it into the end zone the wrong way. Thinks he scored a touchdown. He's scored a safety.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jim Marshall didn't make the hall of Fame, but He played like 20 years in Minnesota from like 1960 to 1979. He was a tremendous player for the Minnesota Vikings. And one of the most boneheaded plays in the history of sports were his.

[Don LaGreca]

Teammates trying to tackle him and he was wondering.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he was gone. He was gone.

[Don LaGreca]

He was just in wide open space, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it was so. It was. I believe it was the Niners. The opposition, like meets him and congratulates him in the end zone and he's like, what are you doing? And then he realizes he ran the wrong way. So you might not have known the player, but you.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, but Peter, you do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You knew the player.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no, I know the Play the running the wrong way. The crazy thing is he's running free for so long. How did he not realize when he looked, when he looks back, what's happening?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is pretty crazy now.

[Don LaGreca]

Yikes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This one you might think it's kind of crazy because you don't think of him as a great player. This player was not in the hall of fame, but he was on the all 80s NFL all decade team and the all 90s all decade team.

[Don LaGreca]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's Gary Anderson. Hmm. You guys know play it Anthony and Anderson hasn't missed in two years. That's a pretty good bet. If you say do you think Gary Anderson will make this field goal? The answer should probably be yes.

[Don LaGreca]

39 yards away and it's not good.

[Alan Hahn]

The context, you have to understand the context. This, this Vikings team was winning the super bowl like it was done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were 15 and 1. They were 1 of the great offensive at the time, the greatest offensive team in the history of football. And I, I had forgot, I remember watching it live was the championship game. What I did not remember was the complete jinx job that both Matt and Sumrall did on him. He's gonna bring some he hasn't missed in two years. Well, you pretty much have to say John, well that's pretty much. He's gonna make this like have you. That was, I completely forgot about that.

[Don LaGreca]

That was like not, I'm not going to say chip shot but that wasn't like a 48 yarder, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

39 yards.

[Alan Hahn]

39. And in 98, I mean field goal distances have definitely changed but the 90. In 1998, a 39 yard field goal is a 39 yard field goal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You should hit it.

[Don LaGreca]

You should hit it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Vegetarian Foxborough in the, in the tuck game and it's a 39 yard field goal. But you heard like Pat and John are just, it's done. I'm surprised they didn't walk out of the booth book. It was that close to not calling it because they're going to take the elevator down. It's over that.

[Alan Hahn]

For anyone who doesn't like recall or, you know, you're a youngster, that Vikings team was so special. I mean, you know, the St. Louis Rams got called the greatest show on turf. I would take the 98 Vikings offense over either of the, of the Rams offense. It was the craziest thing ever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The greatest team not to win a championship obviously is the Patriots. They were undefeated but they lost in the Super Bowl. But that, that might be the best team ever to not go to A Super bowl. I mean 15 and 1. My God, they were so good. And go to go to go to Pro Football Reference. Field goal percentage 1998, 100%. He did not miss a field goal the entire season until. And it made for a craft, by the way. Vikings. Vikings. Broncos would have been way better than Falcons. Broncos.

[Alan Hahn]

Morton Anderson. The more famous Anderson. Gary Anderson, hell of a kicker. But that moment, brutal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Brutal. So he is number three. Number two, Jackie Smith.

[Alan Hahn]

What's the Jackie Smith play? What's the Jackie Smith?

[Don LaGreca]

I gotta be honest with you, Don. I was expecting bigger names.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, well, listen, he's in the hall of Fame. Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Kind on you, Jackie Smith super bowl blunder.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There you go. Play it, Andrew.

[Don LaGreca]

It's third down and three.

[Caller]

Dallas at the Pittsburgh 10. Roger back to throw. Has a man open in the end zone. Caught. Touchdown.

[Don LaGreca]

Drop.

[Caller]

Dropped in the end zone. Jackie Smith all by himself. Oh, blessed. Bless his heart. He's got to be the sickest man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In America, let me put it.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, that's a great call. That's a fabulous call. But let me tell you something. I just watched the play and Alan, I hear you the name Jackie Smith, I'm a little surprised to see it. But when you watch the play, if you think the Mark Andrews drop from a few weeks ago for Baltimore makes you sick.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Go see what Jackie Smith did.

[Don LaGreca]

But when was this. This was third quarter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, but it. But gives. It gives them the lead. They lost the game by four points and it's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's for the lead.

[Don LaGreca]

Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews is. That's. That's the, the games right there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the.

[Alan Hahn]

That was a tie. The Mark Andrews was a tying 2 point conversion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, but the thing with Jackie Smith.

[Don LaGreca]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, well, you guys didn't. Because you didn't know who you taking out. But if you know Jackie Smith, he's a Hall of Famer, spent his whole career with the Cardinals. Never goes anywhere. Probably didn't even go to the playoffs, if ever. And then the last year of his career, he signs with Dallas and they're in the Super Bowl. And he's gonna culminate this hall career with what might be the game winning touchdown. And he flat out drops it wide open.

[Don LaGreca]

Just. Just butterfingers. Yeah. Still that whole quarter to play though. Okay, what's number one? I need to hear number one. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This one you're all gonna agree with and you're all gonna know Chris Weber.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, yeah. Timeout. Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Weber brings it into the front court. They have no timeouts, remember?

[Caller]

Oh, he crosses too many timeouts. That's a technical foul.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He called a timeout. Michigan doesn.

[Caller]

He got by with a walk. And Jimmy calls a technic. He calls the timeout. He doesn't realize that's Michigan's too many. And so it'll be a technical foul. North Carolina shooting and the ball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So this.

[Don LaGreca]

He's 19 years old. Like, it's just. Just absolutely painful.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the thing is, is that. Yeah, and he got over. He goes to the NBA and goes to the hall of Fame.

[Don LaGreca]

Sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that's the first thing when you say Chris, everybody.

[Alan Hahn]

What this is the reason I love this list A. It's a great topic. Each one had tremendous audio. But there's also a lot to argue.

[Don LaGreca]

About because oh my God, I'm ready. Because I'm ready when you are, Peter. I mean, I love Don this. Yes. I would shred this. Buckner put it in the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you look at the way that I did it, Buckner's not on the level of Weber, but the play. But I almost had.

[Alan Hahn]

But he's much more defined by the play.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes. You got to measure it by the fact that if I just walked outside the building and I said Chris Weber, there'd be enough people that would just do a timeout. If I said Mets 86, somebody would say Buckner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no, that's just.

[Don LaGreca]

You do that. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Don LaGreca]

But I'd have to be a sports. I'd have to know sports pretty well to know who Jim Marshall is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I know, but. But the thing is is where I weighed it by the quality of player. Now, Jim Buckner was. I mean Bill Buckner was an amazing player. Wasn't a Hall of Fame like Chris Weber's a Hall of Fame basketball player. And the first thing you think of is calling timeouts. So they didn't have it. Jim, I'm a Hall of Fame tight end and the first thing you think of is dropping a pass in the Super Bowl.

[Don LaGreca]

Like it doesn't feel like it's the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Poor play is the. The plays number one.

[Don LaGreca]

So you're going with. You're going with you' with the credentials of the player. Because like, by the way, I can. I could tell you in New York, if you say Carlos Beltran, what is a lot of people are going to say?

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot of people. Not everybody's going to think about.

[Don LaGreca]

No, but. But a lot. But a lot of the reaction people's. People's lasting memory of Carlos Beltran is what right is that on the show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Strike out looking. Yeah, right. Striking him out looking in the 2000 league series. Yeah, right.

[Don LaGreca]

Like, like that's just, that's a lasting memory. You'll never let go of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the thing with Carlos Beltran, you're right. In New York, a Met fan.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not. It's not the first, it's not the first paragraph of his obituary.

[Don LaGreca]

No, it's not.

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

So the way that you did it, based on the way you did it, you got it right. My problem is that you did it wrong. To me, it should be based on the iconicness of the play. And that's to Me, why? But one. Like, I would argue. I would argue.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Call me.

[Alan Hahn]

Call me weird. Hear me out. Hear me out. Call me weird. And Allen might weigh in and feel differently as a basketball fan. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I know this sounds crazy. It's not the, it's not the instant first thing I think of with C. Weber. Like, really? No, I think Fab five, great player.

[Don LaGreca]

I really, I gotta be honest with you, Peter. I, I get it. I know what you're saying. Because, you know, again, if you were a basketball fan, you also knew, like, he got into the league, and once he got to Sacramento, they were on some great teams. Like, he, he, he was a great player.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, a great player.

[Don LaGreca]

But when I think what, when, you know, when you do association, like, when I say this, when you say Jalen Rose, I think Fab five. Like, that's when I go. That's when I go Fab five. I. Chris Weber. If you said Chris Webber, the first thing I'm going is timeout. First thing that. Just listen, it's fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, listen.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know why. It just happens.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The reason I did it the way that I did. Peter, when we talked yesterday, you were talking about, like, where the moment, like, outshined, like, a great player's career. Now, listen, Bill Buckner's not in the hall of Fame, so he's not at that level of a great. When you're talking about hall of Famers. But listen, if you were to. But obviously, if you were to just take the moments. The Buckner play is number one, associating it with an athlete. But listen, Scott Norwood would then be on the list because everybody remembers Scott Norwood for missing the field goal. But Scott Norwood was, you know, a place kicker. That would have been forgotten if not for that moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, like, nobody remembers. Scott Norwood was the kid.

[Don LaGreca]

No one remembers Scott Norwood. But, but it is a memorable, like, flub. Like, that's just you only. How about this? The list? I was thinking, like, I know what you're doing there with the stars. I was thinking it's a player who's only known for something like that. And that's why I thought Charles Smith. Because Charles Smith was a great college player. He had a good NBA career. But all. Anybody. If you say Charles Smith, it's the guy can't make a layup, which was not true. But in one situation, he couldn't five times. And that lives with him forever. The poor guy, he's one of the nicest guys in the world. He can't Go anywhere without someone bringing it up to him. And that's got to kill you. Norwood.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Same thing.

[Don LaGreca]

Have you ever watched the 30 for 34 Falls of Buffalo? Oh my God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's right. But it's so emotional to hear him listen. I'm no Bills fan, but the guy that really should get killed for that moment is Jim. Is Jim Kelly. He's a. He's a Hall of Fame quarterback. They get the ball at their own 10 with I think two minutes to go and a timeout and the closest you can get is a 47 yard field goal. We're seeing athlete. Listen, it's a different time but you know they let the field goal range in 13 seconds for chip shots. And if you. Listen, listen, I've watched that game a million times. I have it on vhs. You. You hear Gifford say it's right at the tip of his range. Like it wasn't an. It wasn't automatic. Like the Garyanna 47 yards on grass back then.

[Don LaGreca]

I wouldn't say they said they were watching him pregame. Yeah. And then. Yeah. And he was hitting him from there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

But like. And he said the thing with Norwood, he said that he was so jacked up for the kick that he just overkicked it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

Like he just had too much juice. He could not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't the following year he did.

[Don LaGreca]

Hit a big one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the chip shot. This day and age we're seeing guys like nail it from 60, but 47 on grass. When you hear Frank Gifford say it's at the tip of his range.

[Don LaGreca]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you look back to the drive. An iconic offense, one of the great offenses of all time couldn't get any closer than a 47 yard field goal. Like so.

[Don LaGreca]

That's a great point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So listen, it's debate's fun but obviously moment. Yeah. Bill. Bill Buckner is iconic. It was. It was in Curb youb Enthusiasm. It's been referred to in movies, but.

[Don LaGreca]

Nothing Weber in my opinion, bigger.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But yeah of course from a play standpoint. But it also has made I come. It's put Bill Buckner on that. Listen, I could have said Ralph Branca too. Because all you ever think of with Ralph Branca is giving up the shot heard around the world. Ralph Branca was a nice pitcher. He wasn't a great pitcher. So it's easy for that to be the only thing you think of. If Bill Buckner had won a bunch of championships and had gone to the hall of Fame, he would have still made the list. But you had been like there's other things you think of besides Bill Buck.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's get some people. People, a lot of people want to sound off on this. Don, this is what makes it a good list is it's creating reaction. I want to start with Andrew and Garrison. Go ahead, Andrew.

[Caller]

How's it going, guys? I'm a huge fan of the show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Big fan of you guys.

[Caller]

And Don, I'm a huge fan of the list, but this is like a list of guys that in a nursing home you're going back and forth and yelling. And Don, you're not an old guy, you know, like you're a young man. Like, we need to put Buckner number one. Han has a good point. I mean, I remember sitting in my college dorm room with my friends screaming at Beltran to swing, you know, and like, maybe he doesn't make this list, but Norwood, you know what makes it a legendary, you know, failure is the poll.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Caller]

Screaming wide right. You know, I think that you're, you're weighing the hall of Fame careers too heavy on this list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but that was the. I'm sorry, that was the topic of conversation yesterday. Yeah, 47 yard field goals, right? Scott Nor if Scott Norwood was a Hall of Fame kicker, it wouldn't have been at the level of Gary Anderson. It was a 39 yard field goal and a dome and the guy hadn't missed all year. Gary had to remember that Scott Norwood guys make mistakes.

[Don LaGreca]

That's a really good one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, so. So Aaron Judge that the drop fly ball would make your list. I'll tell you what, it's not the first thing. Listen, it's the first thing you think of now because Yankee.

[Don LaGreca]

No, not now. Not now, but in 10 years from now. That's the last time and the only time he's in the World Series. That might be the lasting impression.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're going to think of that over hitting 62 home runs, breaking the American League record.

[Don LaGreca]

They never get back to a World Series. It's a huge if we don't believe it's going to happen. But you don't think that that will haunt forever?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's going to haunt forever. But if you think that play is going to defy. How can it even define Judge now?

[Don LaGreca]

No, it can't define him now. No. But you know what else too? Buckner. That's in a World Series. I mean, that was the ultimate moment. That's the last out. You're winning it, you know, I mean, Webber, it's a championship moment. That's a perfect one. Anderson if again, Anderson was. There was still time left in the game, but they ended up blowing the lead and they lost in overtime. Right. That's how that one went down.

[Alan Hahn]

I think so, yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

I mean, the. The. The. What was it? The Jackie Smith one was still in the third quarter. Like, I don't know. Like, that doesn't seem to resonate the same.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe I waited too much on the actual. Because Jackie Smith's in the hall of Fame.

[Don LaGreca]

You were going with. Right. Resume. And I think Peter and I were more expecting the thing that the lasting moment in sports, no matter who it was.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like that.

[Alan Hahn]

When you hear the name, we immediately know, not just. Oh, let me look that up.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. You know what? It's funny as some players are famous and there's other players who become infamous. Like, I. You really didn't have, like, a famous career, but you are infamous in sports for this. Jared's in Brooklyn. What's up, Jared? Guys?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's up?

[Caller]

I love the show. I guess when I'm thinking about it, obviously, this list is so subjective.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Caller]

Like, we could talk weeks and months about it. For me, because I think the guy is almost a metaphor for the entire organization is Ernest Byner with the Browns. I think the Fumble. When you look at every time, you know, ESPN or any other network televised his Browns games, they always show that game. He was a great player. Obviously not a Hall of Fame player, but when you think about NFL moments, big, big, big games. That's got to be defined.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a great and not a great moment. But. But I don't know if his name really resonates with people now. Obviously, Jackie Smith, my two co hosts. Yeah. But in football.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Caller]

I mean, the names on the list otherwise are. You have to be a deep fan to go back.

[Alan Hahn]

But Binder Minor is in that same category, right?

[Caller]

Exactly. I think when you look at that game versus some of the other games, they're just as big. I mean, AFC Championship game. The team has moment since.

[Don LaGreca]

In Cleveland's history. Like, that's a. Like, they don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They never forget that.

[Caller]

And they haven't been good since. Right. So you could argue that that is, like, maybe the defining moment.

[Don LaGreca]

Jared.

[Caller]

For the entire franchise.

[Don LaGreca]

Excellent one there, Jared. That's one that I think like. Like, take Marshall off the list. Put Biner there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, just because the blunder was so iconic. Nobody's ever done that. I. I can't think of anybody that ever ran the wrong way on a football field.

[Don LaGreca]

I know, I know. That is pretty.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guys do call Time out when they don't have any because that's why there's a rule there for it. But guys have dropped.

[Don LaGreca]

When did that Marshall play happen? When did that Marshall.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want to say 72, 71.

[Don LaGreca]

So they weren't even painting the end zones yet. He didn't know where he was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, the highlight. By the way, Alan, a couple of the highlights you heard, it sounded literally like a transistor radio. Old timey. I don't know if there was. I don't know if there's tv. I think these. I think the images were recreated by AI.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no, that was 1964.

[Don LaGreca]

They weren't even wearing sneaker. They weren't even wearing cleats back then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The other one I thought of and I mentioned it yesterday, and the reason I didn't put him on the list because I just don't know his history enough to know if I, I. It was iconic to me and to a lot of other soccer fans. But Baggio hitting the crossbar in the.

[Alan Hahn]

94 World Cup, I thought that was very good. That would have been very good, in my opinion.

[Don LaGreca]

That would have been a good poll. Good poll.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I don't know soccer enough to know if that is as high on his resume.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's up there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There, probably.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, it's. Again, we're talking about it. It sticks with you. It's, it's. It's a play that when someone hears your name, they think of that first. That's. That's what we're trying to get to.

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Don LaGreca]

All right, so we get going on the 4 NA. I'm very curious about four nations, guys. I do. Adam Silver's already said that they're going to go back to, I guess, world versus North America as a all star format after this year. They're doing this silly little team round robin thing that they already probably are pulling the plug on. But I still think the NBA might want to consider like having something along these lines because you can do it and it just might generate more interest and passion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, the question I guess I have for you, Alan, is how. How big is international play for these NBA players? Like representing their country how.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, you see it every summer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it's a big deal in the NHL to the point where, you know, Ovechkin was threatening to not play in the NHL if they weren't going to go to the Olympics. Like because it. Because a lot of these guys are. You know, if you're a Russian born player, you're probably thinking about a gold medal in the Olympics before you think about winning a Stanley Cup. If it's at that level of the NBA, why not try.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes. These guys, you just couldn't do it. Country widely, you couldn't do it. Sweden, Finland, you'd have to do where it'd be. You could do Canada, you could do us, but then you'd have to do like Europe, Africa, you'd have to do it that way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like a continent thing, like North America.

[Don LaGreca]

Versus the European team would be insane. Like, think about the European team for a second joke. It's Doncic. Like, think about the team you'd put together. Just from there go, Wembanyama, all on the same team, right? Giannis, all on the same team. So could you come up with four?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like if you came up with North America, Europe.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I can't do North America. I would have to be US Canada.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can Canada field a good enough team to win?

[Don LaGreca]

They got 22 players in the league right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, but can they, can they compete because you want to be. I did think with the four nations, like Finland, is it. It's a bit of a stretch, but yeah, that's a. You take A look at those teams. They're the, the Sweden, us, Canada. They're stacked.

[Don LaGreca]

I think Europe would be overwhelming like so if you wanted to do a continent, you could do North America, South America. Then you do Africa and you do Europe. That's how you would do it. And the North American team would then be incredibly good because you have Canada and U.S. players.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the thing.

[Don LaGreca]

Hard to pick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, really done this. Let's be honest, give the NHL a lot of credit. You couldn't have done this 30 years ago or four years ago, you know, because you know you'd have a handful of players I think but it would be so Canada would be so much better than everybody else. But now the US has just won back to back back world juniors, you know, so they've got a lot of really good superstar players with Canada. Canada's still the favorite, but US is no slouch. Sweden is no slouch either. I mean there, there are, there's a lot of household names on that team. Like I said, Finland's a little bit behind. But can you put together something that would anybody be able to compete with.

[Don LaGreca]

Team USA in basketball?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Even the old European.

[Don LaGreca]

I think you're, I'm telling you, I think in all Europeans team you could not do a country because there's not enough but you could do if you did continents. I'm telling you man, that would be an unbelievable tournament to watch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's Peter like Peter from a fan standpoint, if they would you watch if they did away with the All Star game and did something similar to what the four nations is would you and took two weeks to do it. Would you be in on it?

[Alan Hahn]

It's so hard to say. I mean on paper I'd say I have to be more interested than I'm currently interested in All Star games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a very low bar though.

[Alan Hahn]

Very low.

[Don LaGreca]

What I think you just need all star teams. I don't think you have to play the game. I think you name an all star team and then you have. Then you, then you make rosters. You could even have like what the fit, you know, a fan, whatever it is, you make the rosters and then you just do a quick like au style weekend round Rob happen and you just go and like just like this is doing. You play each other and then the two best records play each other and then that's it. And there's, there's a pot you know, for the players, whoever wins and all that stuff. But I don't think we'll ever see it because the end season tournament to me is probably the next thing that they'll try to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no. Could you, you brought up the in season tournament being later, but the NBA wants the in season tournament because of those dog days of like November, December to mean something. But could you, could you? I mean, maybe it'd be too much of a disadvantage if you played the in season tournament early, but then maybe you played the Final Four later in the season.

[Don LaGreca]

You don't want to do that. Here's what I'm thinking. We'll be quick on that. You know what? I have an idea for this. Let's do this. We'll take a break. We got a lot to do in the 5 o'clock hour, including your calls, 800-919-3776. But I love kicking around this idea because I do have an idea for that, Don, that I'll pay off on the other side. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.