Hour 2: The List & Boxing League

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary Episode: Hour 2 - The List & Boxing League
Release Date: March 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this engaging second episode of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into two primary topics: compiling a definitive list of the most clutch New York athletes of all time and exploring the seismic changes proposed for the boxing landscape. Throughout the episode, the trio interacts with listeners, debates passionately, and provides insightful analyses, all while maintaining their signature New York flair.

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The List: Clutch New York Athletes

Defining Clutchness in Sports

The conversation kicks off with the hosts discussing what it means to be "clutch" in sports. Clutchness, as defined by the hosts, centers around performing exceptionally well in high-pressure situations, often leading to championship victories or game-winning moments.

Top Clutch New York Athletes

1. Reggie Jackson
   Timestamp: [04:22]
   Reggie Jackson, famously known as "Mr. October," secures the number five spot on the list. Despite only five years with the Yankees, his legendary performance—hitting three home runs in a single World Series game against the Dodgers in 1977—cements his place.

   Peter Rosenberg: "He was Mr. October... three home runs in one World Series game."

2. Eli Manning
   Timestamp: [05:49]
   Placed at number four, Eli Manning is celebrated for his two Super Bowl victories, both highlighted by incredible throws under immense pressure. His ability to remain unflustered in critical moments is lauded by the hosts.

   Alan Hahn: "He didn't have the biggest arm... what he had was the ability... to not feel any pressure whatsoever."

3. Derek Jeter
   Timestamp: [06:20]
   Sitting comfortably at number three, Derek Jeter's clutch performances include his 3,000th hit being a home run and a game-winning RBI single in the final at-bat at the old Yankee Stadium.

   Peter Rosenberg: "He had a game winning RBI single in the last ever at bat in Yankee Stadium."

4. Mariano Rivera
   Timestamp: [10:30]
   Mariano Rivera tops the list as the epitome of clutchness. Known for his devastating cut fastball, Rivera consistently delivered in high-stakes situations, helping the Yankees secure multiple championships.

   Peter Rosenberg: "He would come out and just grab the ball... he was the definition of it."

5. Billy Smith
   Timestamp: [09:50]
   Representing goaltenders, Billy Smith is recognized for his exceptional postseason performances in the 1980s. His ability to elevate his game during playoff series against formidable opponents like the Oilers showcases his clutch nature.

   Peter Rosenberg: "He was really just a clutch guy. Good goaltender, great in a big moment."

Listener and Host Debates

Throughout the segment, callers and hosts engage in lively debates about the inclusion and ranking of various athletes. Suggestions for additions include:

• Yogi Berra: Proposed by a caller, emphasizing his multiple World Series titles and clutch hitting.

  Alan Hahn: "We have a name from the 50s... Yogi Berra. Mr. Clutch."

• Phil Simms: Highlighted for his significant Super Bowl performances.

• Marty Boudor and Bernie Williams: Mentioned as potential candidates for their impactful playoff moments.

Notable Quote:

Alan Hahn: "If you just want the actual like he had a .308 lifetime batting average in the postseason. That's good, I guess."

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Boxing League Revolution

Dana White's Vision for Boxing

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing Dana White's groundbreaking announcement about establishing a new boxing league. White, alongside WWE’s Nick Khan and Turki Al Sheik from the Saudi Arabian General Entertainment Authority, aims to revolutionize the sport by consolidating it into a unified organization.

Key Points:

• Consolidation of Sanctioning Bodies: White proposes eliminating the multiple existing boxing organizations to create a single, authoritative league.

• Talent Development: The league intends to nurture undiscovered talent, similar to how the UFC grew under White’s leadership.

• Financial Incentives: By streamlining operations, the new league plans to ensure that more boxers can earn a sustainable living.

• Event Quality: Emphasis on building exciting fight cards from start to finish, enhancing the overall fan experience.

Notable Quotes:

Dana White (Caller’s Input): "We have to build cards that are great from the first fight to the last fight of the night, just like we do in the UFC."

Peter Rosenberg: "It will work as long as you get the big boxers right. Is everybody going to play ball?"

Alan Hahn: "Long, long overdue... I'm really curious to see how this works and clearly trying to partner up with ESPN, right?"

Potential Impact on Boxing

The hosts discuss the potential success of this new league, highlighting the importance of securing top-tier boxers like Canelo Álvarez or Terence Crawford to kickstart the organization. They express optimism that with the backing of influential figures like Dana White and the financial muscle of their partners, the league could breathe new life into boxing.

Notable Quote:

Peter Rosenberg: "That always killed this sport is not being able to get the fights that you want. Now if you get everybody in this thing, then there's no questioning who's the champion."

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Additional Discussions

Reflections on MTV’s Evolution

In a nostalgic segment, the hosts reminisce about MTV's golden days, lamenting its shift from music to reality TV. They discuss how reality shows like "The Real World" and "Remote Control" diverted the channel from its original mission, leading to its decline.

Notable Quote:

Caller: "No company has truly thrown their brand in the garbage the way Viacom has MTV... the invention of reality TV... that is what killed the network."

Football and Other Sports Insights

Towards the end of the episode, brief discussions touch upon recent football trades, including the potential release of Jonathan Allen from the Commanders and reflections on the Knicks' performance before their west coast road trip.

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Conclusion

The "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast provides a deep dive into the essence of what makes an athlete truly clutch, especially within the vibrant sports culture of New York. Additionally, the exploration of Dana White's ambitious plans for a new boxing league offers listeners a glimpse into the future of boxing. Combining spirited debates, expert insights, and engaging interactions with listeners, this episode stands out as a must-listen for sports enthusiasts eager to stay ahead of the curve.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Reggie Jackson on Clutchness:
  [04:22]

  "He was Mr. October... three home runs in one World Series game."

• Eli Manning's Pressure Handling:
  [05:49]

  "He didn't have the biggest arm... what he had was the ability... to not feel any pressure whatsoever."

• Derek Jeter's Postseason Excellence:
  [06:20]

  "He had a .308 lifetime batting average in the postseason."

• Mariano Rivera as the Definition of Clutchness:
  [10:30]

  "He would come out and just grab the ball... he was the definition of it."

• Dana White on Boxing League Goals:
  [32:34]

  "We have to build cards that are great from the first fight to the last fight of the night, just like we do in the UFC."

• Reflection on MTV’s Decline:
  [28:50]

  "No company has truly thrown their brand in the garbage the way Viacom has MTV."

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the essence of the episode, ensuring that even those who haven't listened can grasp the depth and excitement of the discussions held by Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg.

Transcript

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[Alan Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8:80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. I've the 4:00 hour with Don Legreca and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. 800 now. 193776. In a moment, we have a list. It's a good. I like this one. This is a good list. So we have that coming up, but let's get a couple of calls in here. And so let's first go to Dave in Westchester. Dave.

[Dave]

Hey, how you guys doing? I had a nick point, but I'll say something about the stadiums. I mean, Yankee Stadium. I don't know if you remember Chipper Jones with the old stadium, said he was actually, like, frightened and stuff like that. I went to all the playoff games and all the World Series games when Jeter was on the team. The minute that stadium was done, we went to the other one. It's all open. You go by the hot dog, you can watch everything. The other stadium had to walk through the tunnel. If you had to hear through the loudspeaker. It was like when you walked into the tunnel and then saw everything, it was like you're in heaven. Yeah, it was unbelievable.

[Alan Hahn]

I remember that as a kid, the first time I went there, walking through the. What you're describing, upper deck. You walk through that tunnel and all of a sudden it just goes from this little portal to this wide view of this baseball cathedral. It was the most incredible thing for me as a little kid. I'll never forget that.

[Dave]

There's. I mean, there's no aura with new stadium. I don't like it at all. I don't go too much.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, but when. When you build something new, you've got to rebuild the aura. And they won one champion. You need to have events. Like I said, the Bell center is gorgeous. It's never gonna be the Forum. They haven't won there yet. Yeah. It just takes time.

[Dave]

All my friends make fun of me because I'm on the five Cent movie days. They say. They say I'm worse than that. So I don't like replays. They want to. How can you have Cameron Indoor Stadium? I can't have that little thing because that's what Duke is about. You don't make it a stadium that they have a big home court.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, they want to build in North Carolina, UNC wants to build. They want to replace the Dean Dome and put it off campus so they can make it bigger and put Sweets in and all that stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You need to be able to make money.

[Caller/Listener]

Never enough money either.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's always going to be, you know, stadiums that just outlive their, their usefulness as far as making money is concerned. And I think they understand that it's going to come at the expense of the aura and all that. But. But if they can make a few million dollars more a year because of the luxury suites and, and the way things are situated, that's what they're going to do.

[Alan Hahn]

It's why MetLife is just, you know, again, it's not great, but it is what it is. All right, are we ready for the list?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's do it.

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[Alan Hahn]

This is the list with Don Hahn and Rosenberg. Donnie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, we, we touched on it, if you remember. I don't know if it was early this week. I guess it was early week.

[Alan Hahn]

It was Monday. It was Monday after the weekend the Knicks had. And Brunson was just insane in both closing both games. He's the most clutch player in the NBA this season, leading scoring and efficiency. And that got us thinking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, we started thinking, who are the most clutch New York athletes currently? And then we said, well, why don't we do a list on the all time clutchest New York athletes? And I think we've got a nice little list here, Peter. Now, we were working on it before you got to the meeting because we were doing it pre 2:30 and so we kind of left you out just so there'd be that spontaneity. At least one of the hosts not knowing what the, what the list is going to be. So I'd love to be able to get your reaction to our top five.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Created by Don and Han.

[Caller/Listener]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a Don Han vehicle.

[Alan Hahn]

The Don Han vehicle curated by Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Don Han is not on this list.

[Caller/Listener]

Probably what the show was going to be before I got my deal done.

[Alan Hahn]

Don Hahn is not on this list. You're right. He did not make.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's not a mythical creature. He's a former Matt.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, that's what you guys say. I don't believe you, but go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, listen, I go look it up.

[Alan Hahn]

He played with Ed Crane pool.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're not going to be impressed. No offense to the Han fan.

[Caller/Listener]

You know what? It was hard to live with the shadow cast by Crane pool.

[Alan Hahn]

He did play with that crane pool though. Am I right? Am I right? Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

1962-79. You play with Ed Crane pool.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was a long time. All right, so number five. He has to be on the list because his nickname is Mr. October. Reggie Jackson. Sure. Five years with the Yankees, the three home runs in. In. In one World Series game. Back in 77 against the Dodgers. Even though he was only here for five years, he's Mr. October.

[Caller/Listener]

Isn't it funny, Jackson? Isn't it funny that Reggie Jackson won't make any tight list of all time great Yankees because of his amount of time here and because of how many great Yankees there are? But when you go to the clutch list, he's on that. That just goes to show the level of impact he had when he was here.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he has to be. And he's not the only Yankee on the list. But think about this. He was so clutch, not only did they call him Mr. October, but that when Dave Winfield was unclutch, they called him Mr. May, like so think about that. Right?

[Caller/Listener]

Just the man got a candy bar. Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

There's a reason you get a candy bar. You must be clutch.

[Caller/Listener]

All right, I like it so far. I'm good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number four. Number four, Eli Manning. It was probably outside of playing, you know, 200 consecutive games or whatever. It's the, it's the clutchness of those two super bowl drives when that didn't happen on a routine basis. So we have Eli at number four.

[Alan Hahn]

And push back on Eli Manning anyone. I'm sure people will in New York history. Can't he. He's gotta be there with two Super Bowls where two incredible throws.

[Caller/Listener]

I listen, the pushback for me could be that I might think he should be higher.

[Alan Hahn]

So.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay, we'll see where this goes. But I mean the, the number one quality Eli has. To your point, Dom, besides longevity, it's clutch. He didn't have the biggest arm. He couldn't move. What he had was the ability in the situation to not feel any pressure whatsoever.

[Alan Hahn]

Low blood pressure.

[Caller/Listener]

Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number three. And I'm sure some fans will have him higher.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But even as somebody that's not a Yankee Fan. It felt like every time he came up with a big spot, he came over the big hit. And that's Derek Jeter. Yeah, his 3,000th hit was a home run, for God's sakes. He had a game winning RBI single in the last ever at bat in Yankee Stadium.

[Caller/Listener]

That was something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And of course four championships in five years, five total championships and leadoff home.

[Alan Hahn]

Run against the Mets in the World Series effectively ended that series.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, he just came up big in every way, shape or form for the New York Yankees. It's got to be on the list.

[Caller/Listener]

It's Derek, Judith. I mean, again, sort of like Eli, by the way, there's not really that one thing about Jeter besides longevity. He has many things he was good at, but maybe the greatest thing was the clutchness. So how do you not have him.

[Alan Hahn]

In a big spot?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And if you just want the actual like he had a.308 lifetime batting average in the postseason.

[Caller/Listener]

That's good, I guess. Pretty incredible if that's what you're into. If, if they still believe in hitting.

[Alan Hahn]

For average, does batting average mattering?

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, I like hitting.308 in the playoffs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He had 200 hits in the postseason. Pretty incredible. 158 postseason games, full season. So think about that, a full season of playoffs. He had 200 hits, but that's what I'm saying.

[Caller/Listener]

So if you, if you look at his one season that was the playoffs, it would be one of the great hitting seasons that's ever been put together. I mean, that's incredible.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We wanted to show some love. We could argue why is he so high on the list? But you know, four straight Stanley Cups, 19 straight playoff series wins, and how clutch he was with a great team in front of him. But it all doesn't matter unless you play Great goal. And that's Billy Smith.

[Caller/Listener]

I have very little to offer here.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's again, understandably, because it was a long time ago, but just so you understand, they called him at the time. Nobody used clutch back then, right? Nobody ever used it. What they called Billy Smith, what he was known in the media is he was considered the money goalie. And that means when the money was on the line, he was going to stop the puck all the time. He wasn't the best in the league. He wasn't, you know, it wasn't like somebody that blew you away, he wasn't Ken Dryden. But when the game was on the line, there was no one better and there was no one you wanted more in that spot. And the best example is probably the one series that. The series they finally did lose. They played the Oilers the year before and swept them. The Oilers with Gretzky, Messi, they were. They weren't ready yet for the big stage. So they lost in the cup final that year. The next year though, the Oilers were not to be stopped. They were just an insane. They were a wagon. They get to the finals and they're the Islanders. Once again, the Islanders were broken down.

[Caller/Listener]

This would be the Islanders now 84. So this is the end of it.

[Alan Hahn]

The end of it.

[Caller/Listener]

This would have been their fifth.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, they would have been five straight. They got to the first, they got to their fifth.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

But they were. You could see they were leaking oil at that point. And the Oilers were just that. You couldn't stop them. He beats him in game one on their ice.

[Caller/Listener]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Like again, all it was was he stood on his head and he beats him in game one just to put the fear into him. That's what made him a money goalie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, obviously these stats are skewed because he played in the 80s when, you know, teams could go out there and score eight goals easily. Take a look at Grant Fuhrer's numbers too. They pale in comparison to today because so many goals were scored back in the 80s in the regular season. Hall of Fame regular season for Billy smith had a 3.18 goals against average, 8.95 save percentage in the postseason, 2.72 and 9:05 against the best there is.

[Caller/Listener]

It doesn't matter so much what the numbers were because everything's changed. But the fact that you elevate that much in the playoffs is why you have to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's why we need to be able to tell people that this list isn't about, you know, that we're saying that Billy Smith is the greatest goaltender of all time. It's about the clutchness of the moment.

[Caller/Listener]

That's awesome.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's really hard not to have the guy that went into the hall of fame 100%, he was the greatest closer of all time. And even though he blew a couple of saves here and there in big spots, he still way more than the not came through. And that's Mariano Rivera. And to me, what makes him number one, Allen, is how many times he'd go out there and get a nine out save. You know, it wasn't like you'll just come into the ninth inning. He bailed. He bailed the Yankees out of a lot of situations because he would come out and just grab the ball. So, yeah, 97 against the. The Indians and oh one against the Diamondbacks. But God, they. They don't win those five championships and four championships in five years without Mo.

[Alan Hahn]

Absolutely. What. What did Joe Torrey said? He shortened the game, right? Essentially just having him. That's why he was unanimous. I mean, that's why that's a guy that is just to me the definition of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

What he was able to do now. It's a great list.

[Caller/Listener]

It's a great list.

[Alan Hahn]

What are we missing?

[Caller/Listener]

Well, I was 800.

[Alan Hahn]

Now 193776. So those can join in as well. What do you think?

[Caller/Listener]

Please, please jump in. I love the list. It's a little. It's a little. Mariano has an advantage.

[Alan Hahn]

Three Yankees on this list.

[Caller/Listener]

Mariano has an advantage in the sense that the job is to be clutch.

[Alan Hahn]

True.

[Caller/Listener]

Right. That is literally the job. Come in and win in the biggest spot humanly possible. But by the way, he did it better than anyone in the history of that clutch, clutch position. So how do you not. Okay, well, let's. I wonder who Don thought about but didn't make the list. Now, Nick Wise does. Does a Frazier get considered for the Knicks?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He definitely was.

[Alan Hahn]

We kicked. We kicked that around. And no one had a. His game seven in 1970. We all talk about Willis Reed, but his game was 36 points, 19 assists.

[Caller/Listener]

It's an insane.

[Alan Hahn]

And seven rebounds in 44 minutes.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Going up. Oh, I'm sorry. Going up against Jerry west. Like that's what he did in the.

[Caller/Listener]

Game seven to win the first to win their championship. What about Willis Reed is willing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, obviously played in that game. Hit two buckets and left.

[Alan Hahn]

But the big minute, like, like the big, big clutch moment. No, I don't.

[Caller/Listener]

That's not his thing.

[Alan Hahn]

73. They won that series relatively easy.

[Caller/Listener]

Obviously. Later Knicks. It's hard to consider any. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Like Patrick had a lot of chances to be. Fortunately didn't come through on some.

[Caller/Listener]

Football. The football.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. The problem with the jets, there's really. There's no moments that were clutch, you know, that you could. Or multiple moments that were clutch.

[Caller/Listener]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

And then on the giant side of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Things, outside of Eli, I mean, Phil had that one big Super Bowl. He was.

[Caller/Listener]

He was not considered clutch. That's not like a. Yeah, a thing.

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[Caller/Listener]

What about the Mets? Anyone get consideration from the Mets?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, listen, Keith was clutch. I thought Daryl Seaver. Seaver for sure. I just don't know who you're taking out, but those were the guys. We're going to the other Knick too that our pinhead suit John Winthrop suggested and not bad. Small sample size, but Latrell Sprewell was pretty clutch for the next especially in that 99 run to the finals.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, he was very good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And of course this was all based on Brunson. Brunson doesn't have the hardware, unfortunately. But if you make a run and get there, he would certainly be considered. And the other one that Allen threw out was Mike Richter. Yeah, you look at 94, but the. The. The 96 World cup, the US upset in Canada.

[Alan Hahn]

But there's no bit. I mean think about. His save was a game five against Bure. Pavel Bure. The penalty shot was that five in Vancouver. Turning point moment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. And it couldn't have been game five. It was game three.

[Alan Hahn]

Three. There was a. It felt like the series turned like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that was the turning big moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Bure at the time was probably the most lethal score in the game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the other. The other thing that gets forgotten about because they lost in the conference final of Philadelphia. But in 97 they were a huge underdog against New Jersey. And the.

[Alan Hahn]

The.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Devils were the better team, I thought. And then the Rangers won in five because just Richter just stood on his head.

[Caller/Listener]

What about Marty?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, big.

[Caller/Listener]

He.

[Alan Hahn]

He consideration.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, we thought about a lot of those Devils.

[Alan Hahn]

How about. Well, how about if you want to go. Keep. Keep with the goalie thing. I looked it up just out of curiosity. Bless you.

[Caller/Listener]

Pleasant.

[Alan Hahn]

Henrik Lundquist. He had. He played in eight game sevens. 62 0. A 1.1 goals against average and a safe percentage of 9. 6 1.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was. I thought about that.

[Alan Hahn]

Insane in a game seven.

[Caller/Listener]

Crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everybody we had on their list is rings. Not that rings were a qualifier, but it just turns out that I think that wins the face off. But no, Lundquist would definitely be in that conversation.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the definition.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Back to Brodeur. And growing up a Devil fan. If I had to win a game between Richter and Brodeur, I probably would pick Richter. He was really just a clutch guy. Good goaltender, great in a big moment. Just not enough of them because of the injuries.

[Alan Hahn]

But we got some suggestions for this list. That is the list. We love our list but we'd love to see if we've missing anybody. Let's get some calls. 800 now at 93776. Tommy and Forest Hills. Tommy. Hello, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's up?

[Alan Hahn]

How are you? Not putting in Mark Messi yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because he was clutch but I.

[Alan Hahn]

Think guarantee a win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He did guarantee a win for sure the hat trick in the game. But there was a team. Yeah, Captain, but I believe. But it was interesting. He didn't win the con Smythe in 94.

[Alan Hahn]

Leech.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. Gave it to Leech and then Richter. I would put Richter over. Listen, Messiah was the better player. There's no question. And Messier Was clutch. He had five cups. But, God, Richter came up so big in 94. So big. So it's a good one.

[Alan Hahn]

But I have a name from the 50s that you guys probably wouldn't agree with. It's baseball player on the Yankees, Yogi Berra.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, all those championships, right? What was it? How many total when Yogi came up to bat?

[Alan Hahn]

I remember if the Yankees needed to hit, Yogi came through. I mean, Mr. Clutch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, that is for sure.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know. That's a good one, Tommy. Thank you.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, I don't think you got a ton of pushback on Yogi.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, we didn't get a chance to see it to that level. But all those rings tell you how big a player he was, for sure.

[Caller/Listener]

I watched all of Yogi's stuff.

[Alan Hahn]

He was great with runners on base. I mean, that's the thing. But again, that's so, so long ago. We probably. We probably got stuck in more modern times. But Yogi's a great one. Let's go to Joe. Oh, Joe. Met live. Hey, Joe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, Joe.

[Alan Hahn]

What's going on?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Excellent, guys.

[Alan Hahn]

Excellent show. How about Marty Boudor? Yeah, how about Bernie. Bernie Williams? And how about our man, Andy Pettit? Well, Pettit had one of the clutch performances in the World Series, no question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he also tipping pitches in Game 6 and 01. That certain? That would be my counterpunch to that.

[Alan Hahn]

Fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, guys, I love your show.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys are the best.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you, Joe. I mean, listen, bro. Doors. Easy one because he won three Cups, right? Went to four Stanley cup, five Stanley Cup Finals. But, you know, it didn't face a ton of shots. He was clutch on a really good.

[Alan Hahn]

Team, but he was insane as. No. Was he a rookie that year in 94 when he took the ranges to 7?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he was.

[Alan Hahn]

He was unbelievable in that series, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he also got pulled in the series against Boston because Chris Terrari always played great at the Garden because he played for Providence. So listen, Marty's one of the greatest goaltenders of all time, but I'm just trying to think the Con smythe winners in 03, they gave it to Jer on the losing team.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I remember that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. In 95, they gave it to Lemieux.

[Alan Hahn]

Lemieux, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm trying to remember who was Stevens in 2000. I don't know why I'm vegging on 2000 Meyer. But. But he no cons mites and Billy Smith only one in the four that they had. But no con Smites. For Marty, but. Well, good. I don't think there's any wrong answers.

[Alan Hahn]

That's why we.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Griffin in Connecticut.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Griffin. Hey Don and Pete and all you guys.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know if this would be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Considered on the list. Hendrick Longquest for the Rangers. All we considered for sure. I think he carried that team to the playoffs his first year as a rookie when everybody thought they were going to be the worst team in hockey. And they don't get a sniff at the President's Trophy and the conference finals and of course the Stanley cup final in 2014 if it wasn't for him. That is definitely. I won't say regret, but that's definitely one that I was batting around for sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Vinnie and Staten Island. What's up, Vinnie? What's going on guys? You were just talking about the 94 Rangers. Alex Kovalov was the best player for the Rangers throughout that whole series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Got all the series.

[Alan Hahn]

He was the best player of the playoffs for them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've had conversations with Messier and he confirmed you do not win game six without the Kovalev goal at the end of the second period. If they go into the third down two nothing, they lose that series. Would you agree? Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And yes.

[Dave]

And for Yankees Matsui.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Matsui was pretty close.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's one. We couldn't possibly put four Yankees on the list though Don would probably have a conniption.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, just listen. He was clutch but he's not cheater. He's not Mo. Was a very small sample size, right.09. The only championship did win the MVP in.09. Well listen, we've got some heavy hitters on this list. I could see some non hockey fans wondering about Billy Smith. Get over it. He belongs.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, who you taking out? If you know, you know about Billy Smith.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who are you taking out? That's what I want to know.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Okay. Bruce in Brooklyn. How about you?

[Dave]

Bruce my short Mickey Mantle and short.

[Alan Hahn]

Term Rick Barry and Dr. J. Well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What? Just Dr. J for how long was he with the Nats?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not sure. It was like four, four years at best. But. But the thing here. Thank you, Bruce. The thing with Dr. J there was he never needed to be clutch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I know but I think what.

[Alan Hahn]

We'Re talking about is like in a big spot, like a big dramatic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mickey was clutch.

[Alan Hahn]

You could make an argument for Namath because you know he what. What Super Bowl 3 was about. But you're right, like it wasn't like he threw for 350 yards.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Didn't throw. He's the only Super Bowl MVP quarterback not to throw a touchdown in the game.

[Alan Hahn]

Isn't that wild?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like Emerson Boozer should have been there.

[Alan Hahn]

What got him MVP if he did?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because he made the guarantee. The writers want to give it to the quarterback. You talk about the great conspiracy of all time is how they always hand the MVP to the quarterback in the Super Bowl. I don't want. I don't want to throw shade at Joe Namath. But also we're talking one game. I could give it to Phil Sims. He had one of the greatest Super Bowls of all time when he throw three incompletions in the game. Listen, I can't go over how I'm sure Mickey Mantle is clutch. He's one of the greats of the game. But Dr. J with the New York Nets, ABA doesn't jump to mind?

[Caller/Listener]

No, he didn't think about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And who else did he say I had?

[Alan Hahn]

Mickey Mantle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mickey Mantle was the third one he said. I didn't hear the other one. Yeah, Rick Barry.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, Rick. Yeah, Rick Barry. Who again? Nets. Just short term.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have a feeling he might have been a net fan. He might have been an old Long island. That fan.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, I'm getting that hunch, huh?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would bet you. I bet you give that away if you could see. Did you get a caller? Right, Call him back. Find out if Bubbles Hawkins was his favorite player.

[Caller/Listener]

Did he throw out draws in Petrovich?

[Alan Hahn]

Billy Paul?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. I'm sure he abandoned the team once by Jersey. Where was he from again?

[Alan Hahn]

Is it a 516?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What was his.

[Alan Hahn]

I forgot. I forgot where he was from. Brooklyn. No, it was Brooklyn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he is a. He was a New York Nets fan. Probably a Long island guy. Probably had family out in Long island, went to old games there. Loved Bubbles Hawkins, he loved Dr. J. And then they moved out to New Jersey, spit on their grave and then moved on. Probably never watched another basketball game again. And then he became even more of a Yankee fan. And he's back.

[Alan Hahn]

So we'll do a 30 for 30 on him. Half written, Yogi Berra. By the way, this a fan graphs did this top six all time clutch hitter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, the only names above him, Nelly Fox. Okay, who was number one? Tony Taylor, Tony Gwyn, Pete Rose, Sandy Alomar. Right behind him, coincidentally, Bill Buckner. How about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Poor Bill.

[Alan Hahn]

How do you put his. How do you put that together?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Clutch? Well, listen, baseball, God love them, they've got the nerd power. They have the. They have the nerd Power.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's a lot of virgins working.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In one room together. A lot can be accomplished.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a WRC plus statistic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Apparently, they actually. If there's a guy that goes on a date and it goes well, he could be thrown out of the pack.

[Alan Hahn]

He's not allowed in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, if he comes home with the stink, they like. All right, you know what? You're not allowed to do it.

[Alan Hahn]

But I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I've been killing it with my numbers. I know, but you're compromised now. You got weak knees. Do you want to know what it stands for?

[Alan Hahn]

Women we can. Legs. Do you want to know what it stands for? What does it stand for? Weighted Runs Created Plus.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's comparing players from different ballparks, different areas. You're speaking.

[Caller/Listener]

You're fluent virgin.

[Alan Hahn]

I just Googled. All right, well, we have.

[Caller/Listener]

Yanni, you gotta stop.

[Alan Hahn]

Afternoon.

[Caller/Listener]

We gotta stop what? You were not doing it at six. Often enough for you to sound disappointed every day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not gonna stop him.

[Caller/Listener]

But it's every day. You can't be disappointed every day.

[Alan Hahn]

I am.

[Caller/Listener]

What kind of tease is that? Oh, well, I guess you're gonna have to listen. Yes. And by the way, it's a stacked. Ian, Is it stuck? No, I'm not kidding. I have a lot of. There's a lot of stories that we're not gonna get to, except for here, but they're big stories.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, well, then you want to stay tuned for it. But first, Peter.

[Caller/Listener]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Caller/Listener]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Would you say in the history of MTV top five video.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah. This thing got played big time at the time. This is 1985. It felt like they were onto something. Like it was something new and different. God, I miss mtv. Right? What it was, I should say I missed the concept of it. Like, I don't know if I'd be watching videos now.

[Caller/Listener]

You know, there is a channel, though. They do have an MTV channel. No, no, that's only videos.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I.

[Caller/Listener]

You just won't care about the videos.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that's why I'm saying, like, that's why I mean, like, the con. Like, just to be back at that time. Like, you were around, but you were too young to remember for the early days. 1981, in August of 1981. That long. It was on everywhere I went that summer, hanging out with friends out.

[Alan Hahn]

It was on, just on at the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Top of the hour. They would tell you what videos were gonna be played that coming hour, and if it was, if they said a band, that one of your buddies was their favorite band, you would get on the phone with them and say, they're gonna play Rush this hour, you know, and it was a big thing always there. I can't imagine what their ratings were. I mean, the early part wasn't great because it was cable, still the infancy of cable, but I'm telling you, it was everything.

[Alan Hahn]

But there was something about like a day, a debut of a video coming out of a song you knew on.

[Caller/Listener]

Remember the. The world premiere thing that they would throw in front of a video.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

How big a deal they'd make it.

[Alan Hahn]

And you were like, I'm the first one to see that. There was just something about it and it was a story to a song and there was just something cool about it.

[Caller/Listener]

And you can't. I'd be remiss to not mention no company has truly thrown their brand in the garbage the way Viacom has mtv. I mean, it's one of the great fall offs in the history of media. The only thing that still exists with any meaning there culturally, are the award shows. That's the only time music means anything there. Otherwise it's teen pregnancy and ridiculousness on tv. They have destroyed their brands.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's appalling that it's still referred to as mtv. Right but they probably understand, even all these years later that that brand still means something. And they probably feel that there's value to still call it mtv.

[Caller/Listener]

You can actually say that one of the most innovative things they did killed the channel. The invention of reality TV and the real world, as successful as it was and leading then eventually to Jersey Shore, that is what killed the network.

[Alan Hahn]

It's 100% true.

[Caller/Listener]

Before that, it was all videos and music news and great stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did it kill it or were they getting out in front of knowing that this isn't sustainable? It's the same thing why SportsCenter is different with highlights. It's like, why do I have to wait till 11 o'clock to watch?

[Caller/Listener]

They could have been ahead of it, Don. They weren't that far ahead of it because it died 20 years ago. They died pre social media. They've been not resembling MTV.

[Alan Hahn]

Streaming for a good people were still.

[Caller/Listener]

20 years when they did that.

[Alan Hahn]

They. You were still buying music. You were still having to get it, not you couldn't get it online. That all that stuff was. Was. Was a good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The real world was still like a cool thing. And Beavis and Butthead and the game show.

[Alan Hahn]

What was the game show?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Remote control. Yeah, My friend Tim Reid control. I forgot about my buddy Tim Reed. I would not be in this business.

[Caller/Listener]

It wasn't a Colin Quinn VIN vehicle, I believe.

[Alan Hahn]

Colin Quinn. And Jon Stewart, I believe.

[Caller/Listener]

Was he remote control or was he later?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he wasn't remote control.

[Alan Hahn]

He wasn't remote control. Who am I thinking of then? I can't think of Colin Quinn.

[Caller/Listener]

I'll find it. Go ahead, Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So Tim Reed, he was able to get me the internship at kroc. That opened all the doors for me.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tim won the Mitsubishi Eclipse. He won on remote control. He. The winning video was Every time I. You go away.

[Caller/Listener]

Ken over and Colin Quinn Kennel.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And that was the winning video that he was able to name was. What the. Paul Young, Every time you go away.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that song, remember?

[Peter Rosenberg]

From Planes, trains and automobile. I think we lost it.

[Caller/Listener]

Paul Young.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

I'm sorry, but it's like I didn't even know.

[Alan Hahn]

Double check.

[Peter Rosenberg]

These things happen on the. On this time slot. We kill all people.

[Caller/Listener]

All right, wait, hold on. I gotta get to my stories, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Caller/Listener]

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[Alan Hahn]

You're.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're.

[Alan Hahn]

You're.

[Caller/Listener]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Caller/Listener]

All right, so on first take earlier today, Dana White appeared and made a kind of a seismic announcement.

[F]

I wouldn't be sitting here right now if it wasn't for the sport of boxing. That's where I started and I've been talking a lot of smack about boxing for a long time and now here we are. And I'm looking forward to implementing changes and things that I think would definitely help the sport. Simple things like the best fight the best. How about that? You see a lot of guys, there's a lot of talent that we've been looking at out there right now that nobody knows about. And what I would love to do is build this thing from the ground up the way that we did the UFC. When we originally bought the UFC, we had 12 contracts. Nobody knew who anybody was. You have everybody start fighting everybody. When you get to the top five, there's no denying who the best five guys in the world are. And then they all fight it out to see who's the world champion. Get rid of all the five different champions and five different sanctioning organizations. And one, they'll just be one and reinvest in the sport. More than five guys make money in the sport. All these guys that come up will all make a living and a lot. There's a lot of young talent out there that nobody knows about. Build cards that are great from the first fight to the last fight of the night, just like we do in the ufc.

[Caller/Listener]

So in a long winded way, Dana White there saying that he and Nick Khan, my boss at wwe, along with Turki Al Sheik from the Saudi Arabian General Entertainment Authority, have come together to create a new boxing league, which could be a seismic shift in terms of all of the people who have fallen out of boxing being like, I don't follow it anymore. The ABCs, I don't know what belt means, what. They are going to attempt to create a massive boxing league that consolidates everything into one thing. And with the power of Dana White, Nick Khan and the Saudis guys, that's a realistic possibility.

[Alan Hahn]

Long, long overdue, first and foremost. And I'm really curious to see how this works and clearly trying to partner up with espn, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It Will work if. As long as you get the big boxers right. Is everybody going to play ball?

[Alan Hahn]

Bring them over?

[Caller/Listener]

Well, I think it's about all they'll need to do is spend the right money for the first couple and then.

[Alan Hahn]

When they put up Liv did with golf.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, once you get a couple, they'll be able to get all the young fighters. So you can then build your own young fighters. You just got to get. You got to get either a Canelo or a Terrence Crawford or a Gervonta Davis. They're going to have to get a couple of big ones to fight to get it started.

[Alan Hahn]

And that's huge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like it.

[Caller/Listener]

It could be a really, really cool and interesting thing because that's the thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That always killed this sport is not being able to get the fights that you want. Now if you get everybody in this thing, then.

[Caller/Listener]

And there's no questioning who's the champion, who's the cadet. Now listen, there's still always going to be contro. Because the downside to one organization is, and people see this in UFC when you don't like rankings, is that it's being decided by one organization. But I think for the purposes of a fan base, being able to follow who's who and know what and where they're watching, I think this does a lot. And also last football note, guys, I just read if the commanders can't find a trading partner for tackle Jonathan Allen, he will likely be released in a cost cutting mode. Football's the weirdest sport in the world.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, there's a couple of names. There's some names. We'll get into some football talk here on the other side because there's some names out there right now that just got released and a lot of movement and some interesting stuff happening on the world of football. So we got that. We got the Knicks losing last night before they head on to a west coast road trip. And your calls at 800 now at 93776. Don Han Rosenberg, 880 ESPN. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

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