Hour 2: Thursday Rewrite

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast: Hour 2 - "Thursday Rewrite" Summary

Release Date: August 14, 2025

Hosts:

• Don Hahn: ESPN New York and New Jersey legend.
• Alan Hahn: Long-time sportswriter and New York Knicks broadcaster.
• Peter Rosenberg: Highly opinionated Hip Hop veteran and WWE personality.

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1. Team Performance and Legacy: Patriots & Bulls

The episode kicks off with a robust discussion on the declining status of the New England Patriots, drawing parallels to the Chicago Bulls post-Michael Jordan era.

• Peter Rosenberg expresses frustration:
  “The Patriots are becoming what the Bulls have become. Just a nothing, mediocre, crap AFC East team.” [00:50]

• Don Hahn and the unnamed guest delve into the historical significance of the Bulls during the Jordan and Pippen era, highlighting how the team has struggled to recapture that glory in recent years.

• The conversation transitions to the Golden State Warriors, with Peter noting their current downturn:
  “The warriors are on the Come Back to Reality tour.” [02:40]

Key Insight: The hosts emphasize that perennial good teams versus those that had a temporary rise due to superstar players often find themselves fluctuating in performance, struggling to maintain consistency without their marquee names.

2. Introduction of Male Cheerleaders in the NFL

A significant segment is dedicated to the controversial introduction of male cheerleaders across several NFL teams.

• Unnamed Guest Speaker remarks on the shift:
  “I didn't know this was becoming a thing.” [04:33]

• They debate the purpose and reception of male cheerleaders, with Peter maintaining his indifference:
  “I don't need it... I just, I don't need it.” [06:01]

• Don Hahn adds perspective on fan reactions and the potential impact on traditional game-day experiences.

Notable Quote:
“I have no use for cheerleaders, respectfully, in any regard.” — Unnamed Guest Speaker [06:09]

Conclusion: While some find the inclusion progressive, others view it as an unnecessary alteration to the traditional sports entertainment format.

3. Coaching Styles and Player Motivation: Insights from Daryl Strawberry

The episode features a guest appearance by Daryl Strawberry, who shares his thoughts on effective coaching in sports.

• Daryl Strawberry emphasizes the importance of a manager who can keep players motivated through the grueling 162-game MLB season:
  “You need managers and coaches to get into you that keep that fire lit.” [09:01]

• Peter Rosenberg contrasts this with modern coaching, suggesting that today's players may prefer less critical and more supportive coaching approaches.

Key Takeaway: There's a debate on finding the balance between motivating players through criticism and maintaining their morale with positive reinforcement.

4. Listener Interaction: Yankees Expectations and NFL Team Management

Caller Graham shares his long-standing support for the New York Yankees and his frustration with their recent performance.

• Peter Rosenberg responds to Graham’s concerns about lowered expectations for the Yankees:
  “We’ve had this conversation around all of the teams in New York. Who's better than the Yankees? Who?” [19:24]

• Unnamed Guest Speaker highlights the sustained challenges across various New York sports teams, noting the necessity for high expectations and consistent performance.

Discussion Points:

• The delicate balance between team legacy and current performance.
• The impact of organizational changes on team success.

5. "Quarterback Rewrite" – Hypothetical Scenario for the New York Jets

A deep dive into what might have transpired had the New York Jets drafted Trevor Lawrence instead of Zach Wilson.

• Peter Rosenberg outlines the scenario:
  “The rewrite is the Jets don't beat the Rams, finish with the first overall pick and they take Trevor Lawrence.” [24:00]

• The hosts explore potential coaching changes, discussing whether the Jets would have hired a different coach like Urban Meyer or Dan Campbell, and the implications on Lawrence's career.

Notable Quote:
“You could have hired Urban Meyer, which would have sounded like a Woody Johnson hire.” — Peter Rosenberg [25:55]

Insights:

• The complexities of team management decisions and their long-term effects on player development.
• The importance of coaching fit and organizational support in a quarterback's success.

6. Mustaches, 1969 Mets, and Memorable Moments

The conversation takes a nostalgic turn as Caller Richard Peterson reminisces about iconic mustaches in sports broadcasting and the legendary 1969 New York Mets.

• Richard Peterson recalls:
  “There has never been anything like the 1969 New York Mets... it was unbelievable.” [42:05]

• The hosts discuss memorable sports moments and broadcasting styles, including critiques of Gary Cohen’s over-the-top commentary.

Key Highlights:

• The cultural impact of the 1969 Mets on New York City.
• The evolution of sports broadcasting and fan expectations.

7. Mets Bullpen and Player Management

A segment featuring Carlos Mendoza provides updates on the New York Mets' bullpen and player performance.

• Carlos Mendoza discusses bullpen strategies:
  “We will continue to monitor it, but nothing differently.” [40:42]

• Peter Rosenberg expresses skepticism about the bullpen’s effectiveness and the team's ability to handle the rest of the season.

Takeaway: Ongoing challenges in player performance and injury management remain critical issues for the Mets' prospects.

8. Light-Hearted Banter and Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with humorous exchanges about sports personalities and light-hearted commentary on appearances.

• Unnamed Guest Speaker showcases a photo of Dave Rothenberg, prompting playful criticism:
  “Look how well put together he looks there... Problem with Dave is he's a schlub.” [44:45]

• Peter Rosenberg and Don Hahn wrap up with final thoughts, blending humor with sports insights.

Final Quote:
“Hear more of Don, Alan, and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.” — Don Hahn [45:32]

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Conclusion: In "Thursday Rewrite," Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg navigate through a mix of sports nostalgia, current team performance critiques, and hypothetical scenarios that engage both seasoned fans and casual listeners. The episode balances serious analysis with humor, making it a compelling listen for those interested in the ever-evolving landscape of New York sports.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

402 in the big city. Don on Rosenberg with you until 6:30. The next schedule is out. We'll go over it in a little bit, see if anything kind of floats your boat. God. The one thing I'm noticing though is why do they always seem to play the Bulls like in home and homes or very, very close? Like they got a home and home against the Bulls. Didn't they have two consecutive games in Chicago against the Bulls last year?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Well, you know, you throw the record books out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. It doesn't hit the same way it did.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

No. With the Jordan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jordan and Pippen and Ewan. Yeah, it was a little different then.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Well, can we be honest about it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm only honest.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

The Bulls have basically, with the exception of a moment of Derrick Rose, the Bulls have become generally a nothing burger post Jordan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Bulls are what they were pre Jordan.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

It's just whatever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What were the Bulls pre Jordan? Seriously?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Like, I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they were.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I literally don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You knew them, but they didn't have any kind of.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

No, I have no association with them. Now. This is a fun conversation actually, Don, let's do it. Because the Patriots are becoming what the Bulls have become. Just a nothing, mediocre, crap AFC east team. Let's just be honest. And by the way, that's not changing this year. I don't see it changing this year. Well, obviously we'll see what the jets do and that that division is slightly open after Buffalo. But the best part of it is you have this juggernaut in the Bills now in the AFC east. Their Belichick list and Brady list Patriots have just been nothing. Even the. Even the post Brady Belichick Patriots were nothing. It's, it's. It's just interesting when this happens to teams. We're still in the midst of the Warriors. The warriors are on the Come Back to Reality tour.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

But like you still. Because they still have the guys. You never know what year they could randomly be throwing back in post.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Curry. They will become like, what they were before Curry.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, all right, the Golden State. Why is it. Why is their name Golden State? Why aren't they California, San Francisco or Oakland? What's going on there? Yeah, it's interesting, some of those teams that just are not on the map, and then all of a sudden, because.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

There'S a difference between the organizations that are perennially a good team and the ones that just became one. And that's all people know. And you and I always talk about this because, you know, we're old and now remember very well that the Patriots were nothing. I mean, talk about fourth in Boston. A distant fourth in Boston didn't even exist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like I said, they were the team that had the name outside of the end zone at home, Sullivan Field. And it was like, yeah, Steve Grogan, Chris James, Andre Tippett.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah. And listen, they made the Super bowl in 85, which is fascinating, but they're famous for getting. Yeah, they're famous for getting. You know what happened? They handed the ball to Fridge and he ran it and scored a touchdown. I mean, the Bears just destroyed them. And then that was it. Showed up in one more super bowl later, but still lost again to Green Bay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Besides that, it really started with Parcells.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Right. That was the beginning.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was the beginning. That leads to Belichick and then Brady, and then that was it. So that's the Patriots history. Not to insult guys and things that they did before, but still, that's what it's about. Like, Saints are kind of that way, too, Right? Saints laughingstock. Drew Brees, not Saints A laughing stock yet.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

By the way, I just saw a video moving around the Internet. I don't want to dig too much into this topic, Don, because it could risk hearing from people on hearing things we don't want to hear from certain people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I just saw a video moving around of a rather flamboyant gentleman who was a dancer for the Patriots cheerleader squad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I can't wait to see this play out in America in 2025. We now have male cheerleaders in the NFL. I didn't even know this was becoming a thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't know it was.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Oh, I. Don. When I show you this video, you're gonna. You're gonna love it. Just because you're gonna be thinking about the Here comes football Neanderthals who are gonna see this this season, and you're not gonna believe it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't even say it.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I can't wait to show it to you. I'll show it to you. Do you want to see it during the break?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Or yeah. When did this start looking?

[Producer]

Days ago.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Guys, guys, listen. I'm old. I hurt my knee, I lost my voice, I'm wearing a heart monitor, I missed the videos. I'm old.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, we get it.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

So wait, but did it just debut? Anthony, it still is like right now though, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

This week?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah, this week.

[Producer]

Yeah, this week.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

So to all the teams. Stephanopoulos, do all the teams have male cheerleaders?

[Producer]

I wouldn't say all, but some.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

And so this is going to be for who though? I mean, for. What do you mean who are they there for? Yeah, well Don, let me ask you a question. Who, who are they there for, period? Cuz you and I are the perfect people to have this conversation. Cause we have, we have no use for cheerleaders of any gentle use.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, listen, I get the concept, but listen, I can be a horn dog just like anybody else. Okay? Excuse me, but when I'm watching football, I'm good. You know what I'm saying? Like I just, I don't need it.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

But exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So for me, listen, I like a nice bowl of Raisin Bran. I'm not gonna have it with my steak. Like I can separate things in my life.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Don, listen. But that's why you and I are perfect for this. Because I have no use for cheerleaders, respectfully, in any regard. So. Add men, add dogs, it makes no difference. I don't pay attention.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't pay attention.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

But there are going to be some people though, when they get to the game, they go, oh, let me put on my old binoculars and see what's going on. Oh my God, Gladys, what in God's name are they doing with the cheerleaders? Oh, it's going to be great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I would think cheerleaders are for men. So are the male cheerleaders for women?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Sure, maybe. But like, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like the cheerleaders, like a basketball games, I feel like are for like parents who have their little girls at the game who like, like to watch the dancing. So I don't know, because listen, it's not like the cheerleaders at football games are doing like incredibly sexy dance. It's cheering.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I mean, it depends. You can catch a good one here and there. But again, I'm checked out. I don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When Greg and I Did the jets pregame outside?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Let me tell you someone who I bet was dialed in on the cheerleader.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The flight crew. They weren't cheerleaders. They were the flight crew.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They would dance in front of us during break to entertain the crowd.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Oh, boy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which is a complete contrast to looking at the rest of it after they left. Me and Greg talking foosball and a.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Look at the crowd that's in front of you. So imagine the crowd that's there to look at Don and Greg talking about football.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They dispersed like a fire alarm went off.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Now, now, I'm just make a prediction here. I believe that on more than one occasion after the flight crew performed or while they were performing, Greg Buttle had something to say to you about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Although I don't. That's not for you to know, but.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

How about a running contest?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I would say that there were moves that were, you know, provoked.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Provocative. Yeah, that's a great little bit of provocative. A little provocativeness.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no, you know, it wasn't. F F I L L L L M O O O O r e Fillmore Junior High 6 a pack of Boom Ba Bugs Bunny. Bugs Bunny. Rah rah rah.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

It's not that either. No, I get what you're saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or from what I. I had a buddy that, that his son went to like an Ivy League school. I forget which one. And he's like, it's amazing when you go to these Ivy League football games, like the cheerleaders, they're like intellectuals. So it's harass them, harass them, make.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Them relinquish the ball. Although you've told me that one before. I love it. I remember when in high school when we would play our rival Whitman, the people would chant, 1, 2, 3, 4, get the cattle off the floor. And that's just not nice. That's just not nice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not right.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

You shouldn't do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We digress. Darrell Strawberry was on tmks earlier today. Darrell, you know, won a World Series of the Mets in 861 with the new York Yankees as well. Darrell, what kind of manager do you prefer?

[Daryl Strawberry]

I think players like the manager that's going to really get into you because you need managers and coaches to get into you that keep that fire lit. It's 162 ball games, six months, you know, without counting spring training. So you got a long stretch here and you're going to go through some weary times and you need that fire lit underneath you. I know it's different today and their approach is different. And you know, with the way the front office and everybody is, you know, they want to be easy with the players, but sometimes you need to light that fire under those players because the players are great. Don't get me wrong. All these players on each team, they're great players. You got great player to be able to play in the big leagues, but at some time, you can't be passive.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's interesting, because we've. I've always felt, Peter, that I think players want to be coached. I don't think they like to be ripped. I don't think they like to be harassed. But I do think they'd like to know when they do well and when they don't. Because if you got a manager that everything is great. Oh, you're a great. Keep going. Keep. Keep doing it, man. You could do it. You're the best. That doesn't. That. Don't you become tone deaf to that. Like, if I got somebody who's gonna rip me when I make a mistake, when they compliment me, doesn't that compliment hit better? Knowing that he doesn't have to compliment me because he's criticized me the last three times he saw me. So I know that compliment means something.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

That's a good point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if every time. Oh, great show, Don. Tremendous. Oh, man, you. That was a fantastic show. By the 15th time, we'd be like, all right, whatever.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Well, listen, don't worry. That never happens to us around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but we don't get it. Just. I think they want to be coached. You just have to find that fine line of coached and harassed and. At least. But that's. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Right? Like some players, you critique them and they might not take it the right way, then I would wonder, do you even have the heart to win then? If you're complaining all the time about the criticism. All right, Darrell, what does it take to win?

[Daryl Strawberry]

If you want to win, you're going to have to be together to win. It just cannot be that way where they have to constantly pat you on the back and tell you it's going to be okay. It's not okay for me going 2 for 30. I don't want to be in that slump. I need to get my behind working at the ballpark every day to get out of the funk that I'm in. And we all go through it. As a player, I've been through it, but I was at that ballpark working to get out of that funk and really wanted to break out of it because I know, once I break out of it, I'm going to put this team on my back and I'm going to carry this team. And each team has players like that that can do that. But do they do it consistent enough throughout the course of the season? I don't know.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So kind of the same theme, right?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of you. Don't be coddled. But the scary thing though, and I love straw.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

We love straw. We love straw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He played 20 plus years ago. I don't know if the modern day athlete thinks the way Daryl thinks. Maybe they do. I don't know. But it just seems the way sports have gone now with the way all teams and managers and coaches deal with their players, that the modern day player does not respond to things the way Daryl Strawberry responded.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Well, it seems that everyone who has a commentary on this team is saying something that this team doesn't get. So there is obviously, Don, some sort of disconnect. That fire does not exist here. But, but we can't say that that's true around all of baseball. So we could say it's the modern day athlete, Dom, but particularly with the Yankees, it just feels like there's a. They in particular just have not been a fiery club. That's just not a calling card for this team. That's like the thing that every fan's been waiting for. And I'm not saying it would all of a sudden fix everything, but having that game and we all, we remember how excited Savages in the box made everyone. I mean, let's not forget, Savages in the Box is essentially why John Boy exists as an entity today. That rant that John Boy broke down so well is what led to the beginning of his, you know, sports empire. That's how big a deal that was. That's how excited Yankee fans got to actually see some fire. But it doesn't happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if you don't believe in hot, you don't believe in clutch. Do you believe in inspirational speeches? Do you believe that emotion has anything to do with the game? Or is it just, hey, you're oh, for your last 23, try this, try maybe, maybe tweak that. Maybe we're just going to strategically give you a day off. Like there's some kind of number, there's some sort of an equation that will right the ship. Instead of taking a player aside and saying, listen, you gotta be better. I can't play you under these circumstances. You're gonna have to go work in the batting cage more. You're gonna have to. I hate disciplining somebody who's trying and just not being successful. But at the end of it, Peter, it's not about the old college try. It's about results. It's a results oriented business. I'm paying you to put up a certain amount of numbers. I'm paying a manager to win a certain amount of games. I'm paying a general manager to win a certain amount of championships. And if that's not being done, we've got to do something about it and shake ups and all that happen, Right? In hockey, you pull a goaltender sometimes, not because the goaltender's playing poorly, but you want to change it up a little bit, send a message to the rest of the team like, I'm changing the goaltender. Just fire it up a little bit. Sometimes coaches in football, they'll go for it on fourth down just to see if it'll get something going offensively instead of just settling for the long field goal or punting the ball away. Acknowledging that the decision that you make might inspirationally get something done. Do they believe that? Or is it just all a mathematical equation? And emotion is not something they even think about?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

And the real question is, are they going to continue to be this way? So it's just never going to change. You're going to keep. At what point are you fully insane? But we. But we went to the World Series one time. How long does that will that last? I get it. This year. They'll survive this year because of that. They're going to use that big time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you know, not just the Yankees, but I think all baseball teams say the same thing. Hey, we put this together for 162 and then once we get to the playoffs, it's a crapshoot. And breaks didn't go our way. Just didn't happen.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But we made the playoffs. Yeah, but we were still a good team.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

But you know, it's nonsense because the 162 isn't going the way the 162 is supposed to be going. Right. And it really hasn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you'll have. Well, we didn't have Cole. We didn't have Heel for half the season. Like, there's always a way to explain it.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

So that's every year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

And then it always takes me going on with your guys the way you are. What's. What's up with your training staff? Oh, you replace them yet your players are still hurt every single year. I've been saying this for years. The Yankees have a health problem. Repeatedly. It never stops. Somehow the problem now Is fortunately less often judge and more everybody else.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. But it's everybody. It's a problem. But to answer your question, I don't know when that day finally comes where you're like, okay, we've got to make some sort of a change because it's. It seems to be the same thing over and over again. But every mathematical equation that they throw out there, nothing's 100%. It's all this works 75% of the time, 65% of the time, 85% of the time. So when things don't work, it's like, well, listen, Skip, you know, it said 35% of the time was going to fail. Unfortunately, we fell in the 35 percentile. But I'd still do it again because the odds are still in our favor that it's going to work. So at what point, to answer your point, be able to do it, we always seem to fall on the side of it not working. So can we come up with some different numbers? Can we kind of change it up a little bit? But I don't know if we've gotten to that point yet. Let's go to Graham and Yonkers. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Graham?

[Caller]

Hey, Don. Hey, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How's it going?

[Caller]

First off, I'm probably the biggest Peter Rosenberg guy in the biz today day one won it fan since 07 and TP from day one as well.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about that?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Let me ask you the big question. I'm already very impressed and you're obviously listening this show. And the fact that he said biggest in the biz today shows that he. How close we are. Are you. Are you ever occasionally listening to the new Cheap Heat live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24.

[Caller]

7 Now I listen to the podcast. I don't tune in. I'm not a serious subscriber. You have me debating it, Peter. I came to this show specifically for you big New York sports guy, but just never got into the ESPN New York, but followed along with you. And you know, I've been listening for years now.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Thanks, dude.

[Caller]

Yeah, man. The one thing I wanted to, you know, to go into about the Yankees here, you know, I'm a lifelong Yankees fan, been a Yankee fan since years ago, way before Mayno Brock and Millionaire to Brooklyn. And you know, I just. The frustration. I know Allen has been talking, you know, last year, couple months, year or so about how Yankees fancy to change their expectations. I'm not going to do that anytime soon here. You know, I'm, I was raised in a certain lifestyle of Yankee winning. And I'm going to continue to expect that from them. I understand it's been a long time since we've won, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We'Re going to let you go because your line's bad. If you want to try to call back. But I think we got the gist of what he had to say.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the thing, is that you kind of expect the Yankees to be an elite team, but they can look at it and say, what are you worried about? We still make the playoffs. We could still win this division. Toronto, you know, they're playing today. Maybe they lose. We can still gain a half game. We're idle. They're still going to sell you that they're better than everybody else anyway. We've had this conversation around all the teams in New York. Who's better than the Yankees? Who? All right, the Met. The Giants have won a championship more recently, but only two years more recently. And look at the embarrassment they become. Jets haven't gone to the playoffs in 15 years. Knicks finally went to the conference final for the first time in 25 years. Rangers have won championship in 86 years. The Devils look like the gold standard. They haven't won now in 22 years. Islanders haven't won in 42 years. So how's it looking? Right, so. But do you ever have a press conference, Peter, and say, oh, by the way, we've, we're lessening our expectations now. I know we were, Our mission statement was championship or bust. Now it's just, we're going to make the playoffs. We're good. You can't have that press conference.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Wait, wait, is. Are you saying the new motto for this team is we're good, we're good? As Alan would say, the Yankees new model is we're all set.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're all set.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Oh, no, no, but no, no, you're not good enough to win. We're all set. We're fine over here. Don't even worry about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Clearly the mission statement has changed, Peter, but nobody's going to say it. Hal Steinbrenner is going to come on the Michael K Show if they miss the playoffs or if they get bounced in the first round. And he's going to say, I'm as disappointed as anybody, but nothing will change. So how disappointed were you? If the manager's back and the general manager's back and you don't make any big time changes to the way you do things, then I have to assume that you're good and that you're all set.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

You're right about that.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don, Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The time continuum has been disrupted, creating an alternate 1985. This is.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Hey, doc, are you telling me you.

[Caller]

Built a time machine?

[Don Hahn]

The Thursday rewrite.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Now hold on, everyone. Don's got a big old rewrite like you dream about. But before we get to that, I want to hit you with a leaderboard update brought to you by Schweppes, because that's the kind of guy I am, a Schweppes guy. And it's the BMW championship, Don's favorite tournament right up there. Oh, it's certainly near the top of the list for you. Let's see, Don, you're a big Victor Hovland guy, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like you read about?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah, he's in first, having a hell of a day. Then you got a Rickie Fowler tied for first. Fowler's up there. Jason Day tied for third. Scottie Scheffler, Don, in case you're wondering, great performance, by the way, in Happy Gilmore, too. Have you seen it yet?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. I haven't.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

It's worth a watch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nah, it's just a matter of time, I think.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I think you'll enjoy it. But yeah, Scotty Schoeffer is good in that. Lot of jokes at the expense of his arrest that are very, very funny. There's a moment when he gets arrested in the movie and he goes, not again. Like maybe they lean into it. And then I don't want to give too much away, but to give a little bit away. He spent. Scheffler spends the last 20 minutes of the movie in jail, which I thought was a pretty funny way to lean into his. That is entire incident. Anyways, he finds himself currently tied for eighth. That, of course, is the BMW Championship. And that is your leaderboard update presented by Schweppes. Schweppes offers a hole in one refreshment experience and is proud to sponsor the PGA of America. Enhance your summer with Schweppes Seltzer or Schweppes Ginger Ale. Now, Don, you promised me that I would be visually excited when I heard this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That might be a bit of an exaggeration, but I think you will be excited at the rewrite. You know, we, we were getting into the quarterback tears, and I started thinking about where you had Trevor Lawrence, and Trevor Lawrence was a can't miss guy. Oh, I remember.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Oh, I remember.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Jet fans went nuts when in Week 15 or Week 14, the jets were 0 13, went to Los Angeles and beat the Rams. Oh, and everybody was disgusted because that was a win. They ended up beating Cleveland at home the next week, finished two and 14. Jacksonville finishes one in 15 and you know the rest. Jacksonville drafts Trevor Lawrence, the Jets draft Zach Wilson, and the rest is history. The rewrite is the jets don't beat the Rams, finish with the first overall pick and they take Trevor Lawrence. How does it work out for the jets and how does it work out for Trevor Lawrence? Now, on the surface, while the jets would have Trevor Lawrence, they'd have a much better quarterback than Zach Wilson and they would be better. But Trevor Lawrence hasn't lived up to the expectations. And the jets have not known for making quarterbacks better or grooming quarterbacks. So it could have been a lot worse. But where I want to go is who's coaching the Jets? And Adam Gase was let go. They hired Robert Sala, but who would they have hired if they had Trevor Lawrence? You would think that their net that they would cast out would be a lot wider and that maybe other coaches would have been more interested to Coach Trevor Lawrence. Right now, the seven coaches that were available along with Robert Sala that offseason were Brandon Staley, who went to the Chargers. Urban Meyer went to Jacksonville, Nick Sirianni went to Philadelphia. Dan Campbell went to the Lions, Arthur Smith, the Falcons. The jets got Robert Saleh and David Culley went to the Texans. Now, of those seven coaches, or six, let's remove Robert Sala. Do they still hire Robert Sala? Would they have gone the Urban Meyer route? That sounds like a Woody Johnson hire, doesn't it? Get the big college name, coach. He obviously wanted to coach Trevor Lawrence. That would have sounded like it would have been a disaster, right?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

You would think so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the way it went down with Urban Meyer, would that have happened in New York with the pictures with the girls and everything?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I remember it. I remember it well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Would Nick Suriani have been interested in the job? Would they have hired him? Remember, I would have known anything about him at the time. Where I'm kind of interested to see is, would they have even nibbled at Dan Campbell? Now, when Dan Campbell was at knees. At knees, nobody thought much of that higher either with the Lions. So I ask you, never mind what Trevor Lawrence would have become. Who's coaching the jets, and is that coach still here? I think it would be Urban Meyer. That feels like a Woody Johnson hire.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

That does feel the most. Woody. Who else on the table?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Campbell, Dan Campbell, Nick Sirianni, Brandon Staley.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

God, you can picture all of these people failing here so beautifully.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Arthur Smith. Or do they just. What are they stuck with Saleh? Remember, Zach Wilson was a disaster. Nobody knew he was a disaster when they picked him. Like, they still went with a defensive coach despite the fact that they. They had. Zach Wilson was their first overall, their second overall pick. So would they have still gone with Saleh? So all the people that were so upset that the jets beat the Rams in a meaningless game, because they wouldn't they. They would have been able to draft Trevor Lawrence. I'm asking you, would it have mattered anyway? Would they have ruined Trevor Lawrence? If Trevor Lawrence plays okay, is it still enough to satisfy New York being the first overall? Can you imagine Trevor Lawrence playing in New York? He still would be looked upon as a failed first overall pick.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Well, I was going to say, this is why I hate what you've done, because it's impossible to really do. Because we can't know whether, like. Like now. Now Trevor Lawrence is being talked about like just a failure in Jacksonville that we all know that's not absolutely accurate. He's had good seasons in Jacksonville and last year he got hurt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

But would he have had any of the good seasons with the Jets? Don, what was the last time a Jets quarterback came out of the gate? Blazing? And don't say Mark Sanchez because he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Didn'T really, I guess Pennington blazing strong, but he looked fine.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Pennington was a really nice player who at no point was blazing even when he was great at his best.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I wouldn't embarrass the Jets.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For being a first round pick. I know it's so easy to just say it would have ended as a failure. Let's move on. Because it's the Jets. But it is Trevor Lawrence and he is a good quarterback.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

At the time he was truly can't miss. You're right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I just found it fascinating because it's not just what happens with Trevor Lawrence who's coaching the team, right? And Robert Sala was still coaching the team up until last year. So if he had Trevor Lawrence as his quarterback and not, you know, Venus de Milo, how, how would have things out?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Do you realize when we look back, you know, and we don't know if Robert Sala could coach at all, but he did seem like a decent man. What a bad gig that guy had when it comes to quarterback. Don, between having no one who could play the position and then getting a guy who immediately took over everything about the team, then was immediately injured, then hovered over the team, Salah got this amazing opportunity and yet he never got the opportunity in some ways.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you're right.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

When, how did Salah really have a chance when he was here? How does he deserve you telling me? What would Joe Gibbs have done? What would Bill Parcell's have done?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think, I think they all would have done better.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

But how much though was Zach Wilson? What was going to happen? I don't know. And then when Rodgers came in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now listen, Donna, he was dead man walking. It felt like it was almost like we're going to win in spite of our coach.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Now if, if you, if you had brought in a Joe Gibbs or Bill Parcells here once, they were already that person. And then Roger shows up. Different conversation. But Robert Sala wasn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it was a mess.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

It was a mess. So now you have the quarterback coming in who, who's much bigger than you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now the thing is, is Trevor Lawrence even still a Jet now? He got an extension with Jacksonville, but he hasn't lived up to the expectations. How would it have worked out in New York if he had the exact same career they Would have won a few more games. Maybe they go to the playoffs. Would they. Would the jets have extended them or would he be laughed out in New York of not living up to the expectations of being the first overall pick? Here's zero pressure in Jacksonville. There's. Well, I shouldn't say zero. There's always pressure to play in the NFL, but it's not like New York. The scrutiny and how he would have handled it. Big blonde hair flowing all over the place, not living up to expectations. I just think he would just be destroyed here.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah. It feels like unless he became the man and there's no way of knowing if he would have. It feels like it would have been awful.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then you hire Urban Meyer which we predict is the possibility if it goes the same way with Urban Meyer and now you're onto a second coach which obviously hurt Jacksonville. And Trevor Lawrence. It's so crazy and I thought about too John Winthrop, our pinhead suit talks about oh man, why they had to win that Ram game. We'd have Trevor Lawrence. Would it have mattered anyway? And again I'm not picking on the Jets. But they haven't developed quarterbacks. Would they have gotten. Would they have brought the right coach in? Dan Campbell's the perfect coach for Detroit. Nobody knew it at the time. He might win a Super bowl this year with the Detroit Lions. When they hired him we're like who's this guy talking about chewing knees? Just another former player trying to make an impression and doing what everybody else does in Detroit. Lose. He turned out to be perfect. Would the jets have hired him?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I'll tell you one thing though you can feel good about this is regardless of anything, the problem with this team is no matter what you think Don, you don't really picture that it would have went great. How much of you would have went great? He would have developed into a top flight quarterback and they would be challenging for the AFC every year. No one thinks that because unfortunately they've that's. We're in a place right now where it's impossible to view them as being that and I hate that for jets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fans, I really do. And I, and I also, I hate having that same conversation but I heard it again this morning. You know about all if the Giants just lost that Indianapolis game they'd have Cam Ward. Well you know they also wouldn't have to Abdul Carter like isn't it possible even if Cam Ward turns out to be the man that if Jackson Dart can end up being an above average to really good quarterback and Abdul Carter Becomes the next Lawrence Taylor. Isn't that better than having just Cam Ward?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But yet why did we beat Indianapolis? We'd have the first overall pick. We'd have Cam Ward. You wouldn't have Abdul Carter now. I don't know. Maybe Abdul Carter will be a bus. Right now he's just terrorizing training camp. What if he becomes the next great player defensively for the New York Giants and Jackson Dart turns out to be not Cam Ward, but turns out to be a top 10, top nine, Eli Manning. Isn't that combination better?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Than having Cam Ward whatever he ends up becoming.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Well, you could argue that if the person ends up becoming just like a true number one quarterback, like table one, that that's worth it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, that's certainly a debate. You know, we could debate that.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

That's actually a fun. That's a fun debate. What would you rather have, Anthony? Let me ask you right now. Top flight Micah Parsons, level guy up front and a decent upper echelon quarterback who you can win with. Or you don't get the Micah Parsons like player and you get a Table 1 top 5 NFL quarterback for the next decade.

[Producer]

I've seen my team win with the former.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

You did.

[Producer]

And never have. I wouldn't say had Abdul Carter. Michael Strahan's a Hall of Famer.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

He's not.

[Producer]

And they had a disgusting pass rush and that's how they beat Tom Brady. So you'd need that again. And if Jackson Dart became that with Abdul Carter and Kayvon Thibodeau and Dexter Lawrence all in their primes. Yes, but it's much easier, I would think, to win with the latter. Where you have a top five quarterback.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

In this NFL, it feels like that's the safest way. That's this version of the NFL.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it feels that way too, but we'll have to see how it plays itself out. Now. Rob Lowe. Not the Rob Lowe. Rob Lowe tweeted. One further step. Little lafleur. Offense looked good with everyone but Wilson. Have to believe with Lawrence they would win more. That's another thing, right? Maybe things would have clicked a little different have Lawrence been here.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

So Wilson was so bad. I mean, we can't. You can't really overstate it. He was. Even though he had moments where he wasn't so bad for the most part. Throwing off his back foot, missing the reads. He was bad. He did. Not knowing when to run. He just. It was bad. He. You can't believe what they saw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We'll never find out unless you know Joe Douglas decides to write a tell all down the road. Did they know Wilson wasn't going to work, but they just couldn't pass on a quarterback?

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

How could that be, though? Why would you do it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because, remember when, when, when. When Wilson came out, you know, there were allegations he wasn't the captain at byu. He was going to be a bit of a project. There was also the whole connection with Woody and JetBlue. You wonder, for Joe Douglas sake, whether he knew this was a bigger risk and maybe would have went in a different direction, but he just couldn't. Because everybody was craving a quarterback. His owner wanted the quarterback. I just wondered because when you look at Joe Douglas, he wasn't a buffoon here. He made some really good trades. He flees Seattle in the Jamal Adams deal. The one reason that he lost his job was because he got it wrong with Zach Wilson. I wonder how much was he pressured into that. Did he know as a football guy that going in a different direction would have been better? But how would it look if the jets with the second overall pick passed on a quarterback to take somebody else? Because they couldn't take Justin Fields. They couldn't justify that Wilson was the better prospect in Fields. Right. If I remember correctly. So could he have gone to Fields? Could he have gone drafted somebody else? Giants drafted Thomas that year. What if he. What if he. What if he. If he drafted a left tackle, he was an offensive lineman guy. Maybe that's what he wanted to do and maybe he felt like I couldn't do it because my owner want a quarterback.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

But man, what a bad job that is. If you allow yourself to draft someone, especially a quarterback, especially in the first round, who you don't think has it, that's such a curse. You just can't do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but I just thought it'd be fun. The rewrite. What if Trevor Lawrence and. I don't know if we came to any conclusions. I don't know if you can come to any conclusions. We don't have a crystal ball, but still, pretty interesting.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I was going to say people there were tears.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But we do have some sound from Carlos Mendoza getting ready for the Mets Braves tonight. The rubber of the three game set over at Citi Field. Carlos Mendoza, could the bullpen be helped by Montas?

[Carlos Mendoza]

Yeah, I mean he's pretty much new for him. I don't think he's done it. So he's been a starter and that's the one thing we, when we were talking to him like we'll try our best to, you know, give him more time to get loose and you know, life in the bullpen, things happen fast, right? So you know, as a competitor, as a starter, that's where he wants to be. But he also understand, like he told you, this is where we at in the regular season, you know, every game counts and right now his spot is, you know, in the bullpen and whenever we call his name, we're counting on him. So going to play a big role for us up there and he'll step up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now here's the thing, is that like it's a good question and Mendoza doesn't want to say I don't know, but that answer is I don't know. He was not put into the bullpen to help the bullpen. He was put into the bullpen because he wasn't doing his job as the starter. It's a demotion. He's never done it before. So it wasn't strategic. It was out of necessity. Carlos, how close are you to getting pre injured? Kodai Senga?

[Carlos Mendoza]

I think he's close. I think, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens tonight. I like what I saw the last time in Milwaukee where he was more aggressive. I think it starts with him competing in the strike zone. But as far as like physically, mentally, I think he's very close.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you got to hope that that's got to be the answer because he's the ace of the staff and he has not pitched well since coming back from that leg injury. Carlos, how will you use Montas coming out of the bullpen?

[Carlos Mendoza]

He's on regular rest, you know, four days after, you know, since his pitch last multi inning Guy, you know, kind of like the lawn man out of the bullpen, but you never know, things happen and who knows? We play extra innings and here he is pitching because of where you at. But also right now I see him more like the Blackburn role where, you know, kind of length out of. But there's going to be days, depending on where we are, bullpen wise, that he might pitch multiple innings.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, here's the problem with the rotation. That's the back end with Clay Holmes. He has not been good. He has hit his innings limit and I think eventually he's going to go to the bullpen and I think that you're probably going to see Sprung or somebody else get called up for the minor leagues. But right now he is still in the rotation. So, Carlos, how are you going to monitor the same that we were doing.

[Carlos Mendoza]

It, you know, two months ago, you know, making sure that after every outing, you know, everything that, all the tests that they go through in the training room, in the weight room, they continue to check those boxes. And you know, just in talking to him, he keeps saying he's fine. The numbers and everything keeps telling him he's, he's in a good place. So we will continue to monitor it, but nothing differently.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Man, I just don't know what you do other than just taking him out of the rotation too. But you gotta have somebody to replace him. And right now they're probably not ready to call up two guys from the minor leagues to be a part of this rotation during a pennant race. Not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. But the Mets are in a lot of trouble, man. A lot, a lot of trouble. And I think it has to be acknowledged.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Richard Peterson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Richard in Manhattan. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Richard?

[Richard Peterson]

Hi, fellas. You know you were talking about mustaches before Tom Selleck. There was Burt Reynolds.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Richard Peterson]

Gerardo Rivera.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Richard Peterson]

Freddie Prince. He had a nice mustache, right? Chico and the man, meathead. Rob Reiner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, he did.

[Richard Peterson]

Who can forget Barney Miller? Hal Linden's mustache.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was a very underrated show, Richard. Barney Miller.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

How do we end up.

[Richard Peterson]

Oh, great show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Charles Bronson, because Richard's on Charles.

[Richard Peterson]

Charles Bronson, yes.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Great mustache.

[Richard Peterson]

Sam Elliott.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

All right.

[Richard Peterson]

Jed Clamper, Buddy Upson. There were a lot of good mustaches. So, you know, it wasn't just Tom Selleck, but he was great. Of course, Selleck. Hey, Donald, with all due respect, there has never been in my 65 years of watching sports and I can write a 50 page book report and a whole thing There has never been anything like the 1969 New York Mets. I can tell you how it changed the mayoral election. I can tell you what it did to this city. I was right there. 14 years old. It was unbelievable. Nothing. It transposed sports. It was that great. As far as stupid baseball, Donnie, you mentioned yesterday make play where you know the running bases. Forty years ago, Billy Martin was the manager. You probably remember this, Don. Bobby Meacham and Dale Barra were both thrown out at home plate. Rounding third. The catch. You turned one after another. I've never seen that. Not even in literally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was the White Sox. That was Carlton Fisk. Right?

[Richard Peterson]

Yeah. Not a big sounds, right. I just remember Dale Bearer and Bobby Meacham. That was pretty bad. So you know you had bad baseball back then. Now, as far as Gary Cohen's call, I will never say something bad against Gary as a Columbia graduate. But the one thing I didn't like, which was hokey, after he said the polar bear, he says he's on an island by himself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

An iceberg by himself.

[Richard Peterson]

Yeah, that was too much. We don't need to. I mean, that would be like. That would be like Whitey Ford, the chairman of the board gets his 25th win, a Yankee record. And he's saying he's calling a meeting to, you know, for all the executives.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

The chairman, I mean, by the way, Richard, it's a perfect comp, actually.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you don't think Sterling would have done that. But if Sterling had called a Whitey Ford win.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

But I'm not a Sterling guy for that reason.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He would do that, but he wouldn't do that.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

And you're right, Yankee fans would be fine with it. Would it get called out by someone like Mad Dog? I don't know. You're 100% correct, though. That is a very sterling thing to Sterling. Very much would have done the polar bears on an iceberg by himself. It's very sterling. I think anyone having an issue with it, it's just because they don't expect it from Gary.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it was. It was probably a bit much. But then there's other Met fans that loved it. I mean, whatever. Whatever call you make, there's going to be somebody that's going to hammer it. But, you know, it was a cool moment. I thought Keith Rad nailed it. I thought Gary had a great call. He might have been a little over the top of the description, but, you know, not for everybody.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

You see this handsome photo of Dave Rothenberg on the Internet today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I can't imagine there'd be one.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Look at this. Look at Dave. Look how well put together he looks there. He like got a haircut and got his beard lined up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He looks terrific. Problem with Dave is he's a schlub. Is that he doesn't try. Right when he tries, he's a very good looking guy. The reason he's not on a normal basis is because he gives up. He put my repug to shame.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

At his worst.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Is there a picture that you could prove that with his worst.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So now you're debating. You're not sure that's like that's how rappug I was.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

No, I believe it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just wanted my repugnance was a lack of effort too.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

Totally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then you start and then you make an effort and then hopefully it gets better. Was a really good looking man in Dave Rothenberg.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Unnamed Guest Speaker]

I don't want to know how the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sausage is made, man.

[Don Hahn]

I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don, Alan and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.