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Alan Hahn
McDonald's meets the Minecraft universe with one.
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Peter Rosenberg
Of six collectibles and your choice of a Big Mac or 10 piece McNuggets.
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Tim Legler
With spicy nether flame sauce.
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Peter Rosenberg
Now available with a Minecraft movie meal.
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Don LaGreca
At participating McDonald's for a limited time.
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Alan Hahn
A Minecraft movie only in theaters.
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Don LaGreca
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Alan Hahn
That sounds like heaven to me.
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Don LaGreca
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. All right, beginning the 4:00 hour here with Don Lagreck and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. 800-919-3776 is the number. All right, well, let's get into some NBA here, fellas. And to do that, let's bring in a good friend of mine, a guy I love by the way. On the Call on ESPN is fantastic, but also always fun to banter back and forth with on shows like get up and whatnot on espn. That of course, the sharpshooter, the great Tim Legler joining us right now. What's up, Legs?
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Tim Legler
What's happening, gentlemen? How's it going, man? Good to be on with you.
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Peter Rosenberg
I can't remember, Legs, if we have had you yet in this iteration of the Don Hahn and Rosenberg program. I. I don't remember.
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Tim Legler
I don't believe you have. No. So this is my debut appearance.
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Peter Rosenberg
So first of all, welcome. And second of all, congratulations to us both on what was an amazing Commander season. Am I right?
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Don LaGreca
Did you not know this was coming?
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Tim Legler
Oh, come on, man. Can we just talk? We could just talk. Commander.
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Peter Rosenberg
It was what? It was unreal, wasn't it?
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Don LaGreca
Oh, boy.
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Tim Legler
Took me back to. Took me back to the glory days. Gotta be honest with you, man. I felt like a kid again. High school and college years when we were pretty much in it every year. Yes, it's. It's a renaissance for a franchise.
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Don LaGreca
It's incredible, you know, so good Legs. Pete, I hope you have not become as insufferable as Peter because like as we're getting ready for a draft in New York where both football teams, especially the Giants, quarterback issues, like, you know what, and the third pick in the draft is not going to be enough to get a quarterback. And all the things. And all Peter keeps doing is. Yeah, I remember what that used to feel like.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, I remember those days.
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Don LaGreca
Like as if now all of a sudden, you know, all troubles are gone. Like, come on, man.
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Tim Legler
I got to admit, I'm probably just as insufferable for people in my, in my close circles have to deal with me on a daily basis. Not going to lie to you, but listen, that's what you know, 30 years of suffering does to you when you finally break through and you got bright skies on the horizon. Yeah, you tend to chirp a little bit.
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Alan Hahn
It was irrit. And then when you were taking the Eagles on, I had no problem rooting for the Commanders.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh, he see exactly.
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Alan Hahn
You're taking on the Eagles. Believe me, the lesser of two evils and one evil is way less.
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Tim Legler
It used to be the common denominator for other NFC east teams was. At least we all can agree how much we hate the Cowboys. I think it's actually now become the Eagles.
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Alan Hahn
Not when you don't win for over 25 years.
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Peter Rosenberg
Right.
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Alan Hahn
Let's take a look.
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Tim Legler
No doubt.
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Don LaGreca
Did you legs. Were you aware that Peter once said on this airwave that he was going to because he was so tired of the Kansas City Chiefs that he was going to root for the Eagles in the Super Bowl. Then he caught himself and changed his vote.
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Peter Rosenberg
I reverse course.
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Don LaGreca
He initially though was ready to do that. None of. We couldn't understand how anybody could stomach that. If you are a Commanders fan or a Giants, for anybody in the NFC east, would you have ever found yourself rooting for the Eagles to do anything other than lose and fail?
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Tim Legler
No, there's. There's absolutely no set of circumstances. And Antonia, if the Chiefs would have been the only team probably that you know would be no matter who they were playing. I'm rooting against the Chiefs except for this particular matchup.
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Peter Rosenberg
You're right.
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Tim Legler
No possible way under any circumstances. And even all my, all my close friends are all Eagles fans because I lived in that area so long. They're all Eagles fans and all of them are hitting me up. Come on, man. Not even in this case with the. It's the Chiefs, man. It's, it's, it's, you know, Patrick Mahomes and the, and the annoyance with that. It's the Taylor Swift stuff. It's Kelsey, it's all of it.
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Peter Rosenberg
I know.
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Tim Legler
Come on, man. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think ultimately. What? Well, first of all, it's the Eagles. That's. That's, that's what kept me from going there. But the other thing is I really do like Andy Reid, man. I'm an Andy Reid guy.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Tim Legler
So, you know, I don't really have a beef with Andy Reid. But. But when it comes to the Eagles, the insufferable nature of their fan base, how hard they make things on you. No. That's why the end of that game, man, in this NFC championship game, I knew we weren't going to win the game. I wish it hadn't gotten off the rails the way it did in the fourth quarter of that game.
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Peter Rosenberg
It felt. It felt like an unfair representation of the game, in my opinion. Now, we'll get to the basketball of it all in a second, but since we're here, I do want to ask you, where do you fall on the tush push being banned? We've obviously learned it's going to be tabled. Don and I very much think it should go. Alan seems to favor it and find. Finds the play exciting in some way. Where are you at with the tush push?
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Tim Legler
Well, I don't. All right, so here's where I am. I don't find the play exciting. I am glad, you know, I would be very glad for it to be banned. But I also think the number one point of logic I have on this is if it's a legal play and whole reason you're banning it is because it's become unstoppable. That one team runs it better than everybody else. There is a part of me that says figure out a way to stop it or figure out a way to be as good at it as they are.
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Don LaGreca
That's, that's all I'm saying is that ban something because someone else is good at it. Not that it hurts people, not that it's, you know, it's bad for the sport. It's just because one team in Israeli is. The second one in Buffalo is good at. Is ridiculous. Find a way. I find it compelling because I'm waiting for that. The 14% of the time that the Eagles are stopped, that's, that's what I'm waiting for. Because for my team, if I get that one, if I'm one of those 14%, like you feel a little something extra when you make that stop. So anyways, and here's the one thing.
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Tim Legler
I'll say bringing this full circle to my commanders, the one thing I am grateful for is now because of this, you know, this fourth down mentality and the way it's changed in the league, particularly with the commanders, we don't do the push push, but we go for just about as much as any team in the league on 4th down anywhere on the field at any time in the game. So I'm a little bit less bitter about the stupid push push than I used to be because now we're also a very successful fourth down team at.
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Alan Hahn
Converting, you know, you know, it's interesting because you're a big sports fan, right? So we're talking about the tush push in the NFL, we're talking about the torpedo bats in baseball. Is there something in basketball, a rule, something that's going on that you'd like to see go away?
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Tim Legler
Not necessarily a rule but, but I, but I think just in general the where we have gone with the number of three point shots taken on, on a nightly basis in games. I'm watching it at times as an analyst calling the games now more than I ever have it. There is a level of monotony at times in the game to, to that like when you go these long stretches in games and it feels like every trip is a three for both teams and the numbers get up there. A lot of nights you're north of 80 combined attempts. I've seen games this year. I remember watching a game I had to talk about the next day between Boston and Chicago. Earlier this year there were 108 three point shots taken in the game. 108. Like you're getting up to like all star level type three point attempts. So it's not, that's not a rule change. That's just the analytics have driven offensive basketball to look that way at the NBA. And the nights that it's not like that, I do find it a lot more compelling and certainly interesting as an analyst when there's a greater mix of post play, mid range transition and then also you know your share of threes. But when the shot is hunted to the extent that it is, that's this early in the clock with this little daylight. A lot of times at any crack of daylight you get ahead, let it fly. Like that mentality at times can be something that I don't necessarily find super enjoyable to watch. I like a mixture and this is.
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Don LaGreca
Getting coming from somebody who's one of the great early in the three point era, one of the great three point shooters in the history of the game. I mean this is a guy that's won a shootout. This is a guy that you would think would love more threes but instead it's, it's you even saying it's, you know, the impact it has on the game. And I completely agree with you. I mean how many times we see a fast break, three like legs. I can't imagine there was a time in the 90s when you were coming down the floor and thought to yourself I'm pulling up from three. Like I can't.
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Tim Legler
It's weird. It's Weird too. It's weird. Like the extent to which it's changed is this way. So I, I was obviously a guy. That's, that's kind of how I made my living. That's how I got to the league. That's how I stayed in the league. Right, by shooting three at a high level. So the difference is what you process in your head as a good shot, a reasonable shot. Like I had never at any point in my career did I not have anything other than green that coaches wanted me to shoot. If I had space, that's what I was out there to do. But it's the way the entire team and coaching staff and me personally viewed what was a quality shot. That's what is totally changed. Don't get me wrong, I'm sitting here saying one thing as an analyst calling the game and it's, I like it because it gives me more stuff to break down when there's stuff coming out of the post or there's, there's stuff that leads to a mid range shot. And I love being able to break down all facets of the game when I'm calling it. So as an analyst, I'm saying this, but as a player now, go ahead, plug me into this era. I'd be perfectly fine. If you tell me, if you tell me there is literally no such thing as a bad shot for me and almost to the point where if I don't shoot it every time I touch it, I might come out of the game. Yeah, I think I could wrap my head around that as a player tonight.
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Alan Hahn
Cavs, Knicks. In Cleveland, the Cavs got a four game lead with seven to play. So I think they're pretty secure in finishing with the top seed. So is there anything the Knicks can do tonight that could change the narrative of their season and believe that they can beat the Cavs or the Celtics if they faced him in the playoffs?
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Tim Legler
Yeah, I mean, look, you know, the numbers are what they are and even, you know, I know the Knicks are playing better lately, but, and they're getting wins. But I mean, you have to always take how a team is playing with context of who they're playing and you have to do that. So you look at even the last five out of the six, you know, you get, you get Washington, total bottom feeder. Dallas without Anthony Davis, Milwaukee without Damian Lillard, Portland, Philly, bottom feeders. It, listen, it matters because you've got to get some momentum and you got to feel good about yourself and generate some confidence. When you go back and look at the string of games now when they've played higher level teams. I mean, you probably have to go back to a couple of games in February before you'd say, oh, this is a really high quality win. So yes, this is, it's important. And look, it's hard because you're not at full strength and it's going to be a hard thing to do. But I think for them, particularly the games that, you know, left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, were those back to back Cleveland, Boston games in late February, one of which I was on the call for up in Boston. You know, you get blasted by Cleveland, I think on a Friday night and then you turn around and play Boston on a Sunday afternoon on an ABC game. You're thinking, this is as close as we get to something that feels like a rivalry in the NBA. And it's mainly because of the two cities and the fan bases, I think even more than like the actual teams, but it feels like something more special. And again, Boston just comes out and just takes them apart in the first quarter. So if you want to start to change the narrative, like in your own minds, yes, this is a, this is a time to do that, to play much better against a team that's at the top of the east that you're hoping eventually you're going to get a crack at.
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Don LaGreca
When you look at the Knicks legs, do you could look, they're third in the, in the east, but by a, by a distance. They're also though, I think the fifth or fourth best record in the entire league this season. In any other world. Knick fans would be ecstatic thinking this is like, you know, they don't really get to these kind of lofty places. This hasn't been the norm over the last 25 years, but this is where they are right now. They're looking for a back to back 50 win seasons for the first time in 30 years. So there's so much feeling of success. But yet, of course, as we just talked about, the matching up with teams that are the true contenders, whether it's okc, whether it's the Cavs or whether it's Boston, obviously they have not come close. So what is missing in your estimation from the Knicks that they need to do? Whether it's the off season going into next year, that could take a year like this, which feels like climbing closer to the top and put them over the top.
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Tim Legler
Yeah, so they caught a lot to unwrap there. So I think one of the things that I think hurts them is look, the excitement that was generated by this team a year ago, and unfortunately they were just decimated by injuries at the end. You didn't get to see them really finish that, finish it out right. They ended up being so shorthanded at the end and so decimate by injuries that you weren't able to find out exactly what could have happened last year. But it set the stage for this year. And what they didn't expect, I think most Knick fans is you expected Boston to be there again at the top as the team you're trying to chase and hunt down. Clearly after winning a championship going into the year, considered the best team in the NBA going into the season. Then you're like, wait a second, now we got to deal with Cleveland too. Cleveland's on this level too. So even though you said it, fifth best record in the NBA, they're a half game out of like what would be the second best record in the Western Conference. That's a pretty damn good year. But you still have now two teams that are clearly better in the Eastern Conference. And I think for me, what it comes down to against those teams, there has to be a level of readiness at the start of games and a level of physicality defensively to let these two teams, particularly Boston and Cleveland, know it's not going to be a free run tonight. Not tonight. It's going to be a fight. And you're going to have to fight us for every square inch of turf and not come out and get into some crazy rhythm early in the game where it looks like you almost weren't ready to play for the first eight minutes of the game. There has to be a tone set at the beginning with these teams. And don't get me wrong, you might do that, and they still could catch fire later in the game because they're two. They're two teams that can absolutely end you with a barrage of three point shooting at some point in the game. So it's not just the beginning, it's the entire game. But especially at the beginning, there has to be a level of toughness to let them know they're not going to have a lot of freedom of movement and they're going to have to work. And we had a game plan coming in and we are on point starting with the first possession of how we're going to execute that and communicate that. And I haven't felt that from the Knicks when they've had these moments to like make a statement about the challenge they represent to those two teams. I haven't Felt that and that's to me what the biggest difference because I think they have enough talent. They have enough talent on this roster. When fully healthy they have enough talent. Particularly look at the breakout year that Anobius had. Offensively like that just gives you something else going into the future with this team. They have enough but they've got to show that they're ready to slow these teams down at the beginning and turn this into a little bit more of a wrestling match than some free flowing game where you're going to go up and down because at some point the Celtics and Cavs are going to hit you with a barrage that you can't recover from.
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Alan Hahn
Now is that something this roster can develop legs or are they going to have to acquire that in the off season?
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Tim Legler
Yeah, I mean I think that's, that's what they went and built this team the way they did thinking that that was, that was going to be it. Right. They had, they addressed it particularly with the Anunovi acquisition. I mean Mikhail Bridges a is a guy that I think a lot of people maybe they had him on a pedestal defensively and how he is in this league and to a certain extent he can. If you put him on an island and ask him to guard a high level perimeter player in a one on one situation, he's going to be able to do just fine. In that situation when you ask him to have to get physical, chase guides around screens, fight over picks like do that kind of stuff, that's not necessarily Mikhail Bridges strength. So I think in some ways he hasn't been that defensive impact player that you expected him to be but, but still a very good defender. Anunoby is a guy that flat out is a top tier defender in this league. So you feel like you went out and you addressed it. You know Carl Anthony Town struggles with ball screen. We know that like you know that's, that's a different type of look than what Julius Randle did defensively and some of the things he could do. It's a challenge when you run a Brunson Towns two man game defensively. I understand that but I feel like they've got enough on this roster. Now look, you're always going to be compared to the Boston Celtics and right now that's the most versatile, deepest team in the Eastern Conference with a nice. When I say deep, I'm not talking necessarily one to ten. I'm talking about their top five guys are so versatile in every platform of the court, offense, defense, they can all catch and shoot, they can all take you off the dribble. Like that's what you're compared to. And everybody's going to come up short in that comparison in the Eastern Conference, in my opinion. Even a team like Cleveland, I think, comes up a little bit short when you make that comparison ultimately. So I think the Knicks have done everything they can. You still have these teams, though, that you're trying to, to. To close the ground with in the east, and that's not an easy thing to do.
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Don LaGreca
I was going to go there with the Cavs. As you talked about the Celtics, you saw what Boston just did, right? They had a six game west coast trip and they won all six games like that. Yeah, that's a team that's starting to lock in, right. You could just feel it that they're just starting to lock in now. And while they've been in second place in the east this whole time, like there's this sense that they still might be or they still should be the favorite in the east if they match up with the Cavs in the conference finals. That's why here in New York, like, there were a lot of fans that were saying to me, like, yo, you know, maybe you want to finish fourth because what you want to do is avoid the Celtics in the second round. You'd rather play the Cavs. But you have a game tonight that's an interesting 1. The second half of the. Yes, been doubleheader. You're calling the game with the Thunder and the Pistons. I'm trying to tell everybody you want to stay the hell away from the Pistons in the first round. Like, you see a physical, you talked about physicality. The Knicks, you see a physicality in this team that whoever faces them in the first round, when you're out of that round, if you beat them, you're going to be black and blue, you're going to be banged up and you're going to be tired. That is not a team I want to see in the first round. Do you agree with me on that? I know they're a young team, but do you agree with me with that?
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Tim Legler
I completely agree with you. Unfortunately for me, I'm bummed because this game we're doing tonight was flexed in because the original game was New Orleans and the Clippers. And so thank God they flexed out of that because Pelicans, you know, they tanked and they shut everybody down. So like, we get this game and like, I don't know how long ago. Well, maybe 10 days ago, a week ago, maybe, something like that. I get the Text message. Hey, we're switching the game to this. So excited because I've been really high on the Pistons all year. I think it's one of them, one of the real. I think it might be the best team story in the league.
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Don LaGreca
It's great.
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Tim Legler
Despite what Oklahoma City's done, despite what Cleveland's done, Boston, this team was 4 and 39 last year at little over midway point of the season, 4 and 39. They were leading SportsCenter at one point because we wanted to see if the losing streak was still going. Okay, that's what. So in less than a year, this is what they did with a bunch of dudes that are in their early 20s. And so for me, this is like the best story. But unfortunately what happens. Kate, Cunningham's banged up. I don't think he's playing tonight. They had to fight the other night, so now they're missing. Three guys are suspended for tonight. All major rotational players for them. Super shorthanded and don't have your best offensive player. Okay, let's go now. Go into the Lions den and play the best defensive team in the league by a mile. So. So I don't know what we're going to get tonight. So you can't judge them. Certainly, if you watch the game tonight, don't judge the Pistons because of what I just described. But no, you're right, you don't want to play them because, listen, this is a disadvantage. Been top 6 most of the league in the year. Defensively, they've got great speed on the perimeter. They've got a toughness about them that's very much up for the fight. They've also carried their carrier in this massive ship that's almost, to me, like it's unwarranted, that ship that they're carrying, because it's like they want all this respect and they want it now, damn it. It's like, wait a second. You guys are having a great year and we're giving you a lot of love for that. But at the same time, like, they want to be talked about as if they're a championship contender already. So. But hey, it works for them. They feel slighted. They feel like every night they're still trying to prove and validate their numbers this year and the record that they have. So when you get a young team that's hungry, that was the embarrassment of the league a year ago. They went through that, they suffered through that, and they haven't now. They got a taste of winning a little bit. You got a very hungry, dangerous team. Now, look, I'm not saying I would pick them to win a series in the first round, but it's going to be a damn war against them, no matter. No matter how that matchup ends up. And look, you got, you know, what are your options? You know. You know you're going to be the three seed. So you're looking really, you know, Indiana, Detroit, Milwaukee Pacers, to me, would be the toughest team to play because they're healthy and they. They play a style that is very difficult, and you saw that a year ago. Like, they can get rolling offensively. It's tough to slow them down. Milwaukee doesn't have Lillard. The Pistons, as good as the story has been, as tough as they are, the bottom line is they've got one star offensive player and they got a bunch of really young guys that going through this for the first time. So I think I would probably say Indiana would be the team I'd least like to see, followed by Detroit. And then I think Milwaukee is a team that doesn't scare me as much anymore, even though Giannis would still be a problem.
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Alan Hahn
Tim, before I let you go, being a D.C. guy, you getting caught up in Ovechkin's chase.
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Tim Legler
Oh, no doubt about it. My goodness. It doesn't. It feel. It feels like this thing is just like. It's like paper cuts, right? You're just like. You're watching every night, you're praying, oh, he got a goal. He's with within four. It feels like he's been within six for, like, three years. It's just been taking forever to, like, finally get there. But, yeah, man, I. You know, when they. When they want it. And Novechkin and he has meant to that city and being a guy that grew up in that area, and those are. Those are my teams. Capitals. Now, the Washington Nationals weren't around when I was a kid, so I was a massive Baltimore Orioles fan, but it was always the commanders. Those were my teams, man. So, yeah, I'm watching it. I got one eye. Every night that he plays, I got one eye on that.
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Don LaGreca
If you're in New York when he's playing the Islanders on the island and he's one goal away, we're going.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, let's go.
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Don LaGreca
Like, we're going.
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Tim Legler
Like, when you say we, you mean me included?
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Don LaGreca
Yeah, of course.
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Peter Rosenberg
That's right.
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Tim Legler
Oh, yes. Yeah.
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Don LaGreca
You're in New York a lot because of get up. Like, we keep you busy, especially come this time of year.
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Alan Hahn
We know Ledecky, we might be able to get New. I'm not predicting it. I'm just saying I think there's a show.
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Tim Legler
How many games? I haven't. How many games do they have left?
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Alan Hahn
They have seven.
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Don LaGreca
They keep projecting it's going to be April 15th at UBS. Right. That's the projection.
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Alan Hahn
Like I said, they're playing tonight in Carolina, where he was drafted, but I think they got seven left. So it's not.
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Tim Legler
It's still.
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Peter Rosenberg
Wait, how many goals left?
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Don LaGreca
Four.
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Alan Hahn
Four to break.
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Peter Rosenberg
Four and seven to break. Okay.
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Tim Legler
Three to tie, right? Three to tie.
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Don LaGreca
Yeah.
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Tim Legler
So let's go in. Seven games is a lot, man. Like, I don't, you know, that's going to be tough.
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Don LaGreca
It is. But let's just. Let's just make a plan. If you happen to, you know, if you're on the schedule and you've got to be in the New York area and it's around that time and they're coming to town, they're going to play the Islanders at UBS out on the island. I mean, you are our guest and you're coming with us, and we're going to have a blast.
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Tim Legler
I would be 100% in. We have one slave problem. Do you say that game's April 15th?
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Don LaGreca
Oh, no. Playing well tonight.
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Tim Legler
It's the night before. No, I'm calling a game I know on the 16th, which is a play in game on that Wednesday. So I'll be sent who knows where. Now, look, I won't be. Now I won't be anywhere in New York. Close enough. Yeah, I got to travel into the city that night. Wherever I'm going, a good chance it's going to be on the West Coast.
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Don LaGreca
Don't love that. But we'll see how it works out. Legs, we appreciate you coming on. Hopefully we'll make this a regular thing, but it's always great to have you.
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Peter Rosenberg
Hail to the commanders, buddy.
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Alan Hahn
Eight games, actually.
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Don LaGreca
So think about how to think about.
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Tim Legler
Think about how good the league is right now. We just did a whole segment via the Commanders. We did NBA talk, we did Knicks. We didn't even talk about what happened in the league last night with Jokic and Curry.
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Don LaGreca
Are you kidding me? These two guys, man.
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Alan Hahn
It was double overtime. But still 60, 10 and 10.
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Don LaGreca
I'll let you know on my notepad right in front of me. I do have Steph Curry. I have Jokic. 60 point, triple double. Like there are things we just didn't get to. I blame Peter. Once he mentioned Commanders, I knew we lost you. We lost you for at least five minutes.
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Peter Rosenberg
Two or three minutes.
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Tim Legler
I'll say one last thing about left night. And, and I, I love the impact he's had on this, on this team. And what Russell Westbrook has meant to the Nuggets. You're going to have a hard time finding the worst 12 seconds.
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Don LaGreca
The missed layup and then the, the foul. First of all was that. Did you need to blow that whistle? Did you need to blow that whistle? Can we be honest, man?
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Tim Legler
You know what? Look at first, of course I'm always going to lean on the side of man. Don't call it enough situation. I see the replay though, and I'm just like, my goodness.
- [25:17]
Don LaGreca
The buzzer sounded before contact. I'm sorry. Buzzer sounds, no contact.
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Tim Legler
I hear you, man. But he plows through his right arm just like, how can you do that? You know what's funny is people are like, well, why didn't he just dribble? You know, dribble, dribble out the clock. Like, let him come get you in foul. You know, part of the reason might have been for him. He's a 64% foul shooter.
- [25:35]
Don LaGreca
Oh, yeah. I mean, he doesn't want to be foul.
- [25:37]
Tim Legler
Part of it might have been like, we need two points. I'm going to go ahead and take these two. Well, but how could you short arm a layup to that extent?
- [25:43]
Don LaGreca
Well, it's also Russell Westbrook, there was a time in his career where that would have been a two hand slam and he punts the ball into the crowd. No doubt the fact that he took a layup there tells you all you need to know about him physically and where he is in his career.
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Tim Legler
So anyways, that could be a very costly game for the Denver Nuggets, man, as this plays out down the stretch.
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Don LaGreca
Here with seating so bad, that's a tough one to take. There's no doubt, like, that's a, that's a tough one, especially with the performance that Jokic had and he keeps making. He keeps putting pressure on voters who are all about like a month ago where it's all good. SGA's got the MVP locked it up. Like, like Jokic just keeps reminding people, like, yeah, don't forget about me now. Like, you might get tired of voting for me.
- [26:25]
Tim Legler
Yeah, let's be my last point on this. I know you guys got to go. Since everybody started talking about it's all wrapped up a month ago because I'm with you, man. I have a vote and I'm taking this thing down to the wire because there's no telling what either of these guys are capable of doing on a nightly basis. Since it became this popular conversation that it's all over wrapped up. All he's done is have the first ever 30, 20, 20 game which I was on the call for. He said he's made two 65 foot shots and he had a 60 point triple double.
- [26:56]
Peter Rosenberg
That's insanity. Insanity.
- [26:58]
Don LaGreca
Don't forget about me. That's what he keeps saying. Legs, man. Great stuff. My man. Talk to you soon.
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Alan Hahn
Thanks man.
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Don LaGreca
Have a great call.
- [27:04]
Tim Legler
You got it.
- [27:05]
Don LaGreca
All right. Tim Legley, he legit is one of those guys that was a obviously outstanding pro athlete at one sport but you can have him on and he'll talk about any sport. Oh no, he is one of those guys.
- [27:19]
Peter Rosenberg
He's always been rare.
- [27:20]
Don LaGreca
It's a rare thing that you get an athlete like him who's an expert at a sport who calls games. But he pays so much attention to other sports fan.
- [27:29]
Peter Rosenberg
He stayed a fan.
- [27:30]
Don LaGreca
They had. He said his family's had season tickets in Washington for the Commando Redskins forever generational.
- [27:37]
Peter Rosenberg
No, he's the real deal. And by the way. Yeah, that predates him being on the Bullets. Obviously that's family.
- [27:42]
Don LaGreca
Yeah.
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Don LaGreca
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Well, it is time now for our list. It's brought to you by bet365. That's right. We are furiously putting this together because we're still arguing about what we want to do here. But we decided yesterday after discussing. How did we even get on Batman, by the way? How did that even come up? It was in the open of the show where we just went on a tangent talking about Batman. Oh, I know why. Because the. The torpedo bat and the guy who invented it, we called him a Batman. And then we just said, he's not even the greatest Batman. He's not on the list. Yeah, he is not on the list, but. So here's. Here's our list. And I'm. I'm just making sure that I. I have everything that I want to have in place here. But I'll do it like this. I'm gonna say each one, and then you guys discuss. Can we do it that way? Yes. I think that's because it'll buy me time to just put the one more name in that I need to put in here. First and foremost, my number one, which I think. Well, Peter already admitted that he has no recollection of this.
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Peter Rosenberg
I didn't say. I didn't say that, but keep going.
- [31:13]
Don LaGreca
Okay.
- [31:13]
Peter Rosenberg
I said it was mine. It didn't connect with me the same.
- [31:16]
Don LaGreca
Way I didn't connect with you. Fine. But Don and I both feel strongly about this. I'm gonna speak for you, Don, on this one and say Adam west is number one.
- [31:23]
Alan Hahn
Okay.
- [31:23]
Don LaGreca
Right.
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Alan Hahn
Listen, that's my Batman. I understand that there was a whole franchise of films, but when I think of Batman, I think of, you know, goofy, the. The sitcom from the 60s. That's kind of what I think about now. Listen, that's maybe my age. We're around the same age. But it's so iconic.
- [31:43]
Don LaGreca
Yes.
- [31:43]
Alan Hahn
And he was known for playing Batman and they incorporated him into other aspects like that never went away for all those years. So that I would have no problem. Now Peter doesn't connect. He's a little bit younger and maybe he takes those movies a little bit more seriously. I'm not a superhero guy, so I'm probably the last guy to ask. But for me I would be with you. It would be Adam West.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Don LaGreca
Problem with it being number one because, you know, there are movies that I remember. It wasn't like a movie. It was a major for TV movie I think that they made. Right.
- [32:12]
Alan Hahn
But it was a feature, it was.
- [32:14]
Don LaGreca
Very successful TV series. And he was just unique in that character. Adam west. And almost like he created what future Batman characters would play like this. Right.
- [32:30]
Alan Hahn
Well. Cause you got a. It's all based off a comic book, right?
- [32:32]
Don LaGreca
Yes.
- [32:33]
Alan Hahn
But the voice and kind of the way he conducted himself. Although it was kind of a parody in the sitcom.
- [32:39]
Don LaGreca
Yes.
- [32:40]
Alan Hahn
Is the way the films kind of matched it. Right. In more of a serious way with the deep voice. And that's why we'll get to Will Arnett in a second with the voice.
- [32:48]
Don LaGreca
With the Lego one away.
- [32:49]
Alan Hahn
It's, it's. He kind of set the tone for it.
- [32:53]
Peter Rosenberg
He did it.
- [32:54]
Alan Hahn
It was less wacky when they actually made those, those feature length films with.
- [32:58]
Don LaGreca
Everybody, but they got a lot more darker and serious.
- [33:01]
Alan Hahn
Well, he's the Dark knight.
- [33:03]
Don LaGreca
Right.
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Peter Rosenberg
Listen, I'm fine with Adam west at 1. I. For me, for me it's Keaton 1. But I totally understand. I'm not going to throw a fit.
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Alan Hahn
The funny thing is it's not what Michael Keaton's known for. And if you think about what Michael Keaton's known for, it's not. Not. It's not that kind of movie. Like he's kind of known for more comedy stuff. Right. Mr. Mom Gung Ho.
- [33:25]
Peter Rosenberg
I think. I think you're skipping the number one. His number one with a bullet.
- [33:31]
Alan Hahn
What am I missing? I'm sorry, Beetlejuice. Oh yeah. Well, that's same thing, same genre.
- [33:35]
Peter Rosenberg
This is number one.
- [33:36]
Alan Hahn
Same genre.
- [33:37]
Peter Rosenberg
But for me, that's why I love Keaton as Batman. That's what made him such a great Batman to me is that you were used to him being this funny 80s dadish type character and then him as serious. I'm Batman.
- [33:52]
Alan Hahn
It worked.
- [33:52]
Peter Rosenberg
It Somehow just worked it. Did I.
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Don LaGreca
He tell. I remember he was. He was on. What podcast was he. Was he on? Actually, it was Will Arnett and all them. That podcast. And he told the story about the voice, Brainless, how he got to Smartless. Smartless, yeah. Brainless is our podcast. That's the one we're gonna do.
- [34:12]
Peter Rosenberg
That's this show.
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Don LaGreca
But. But it. It was. It was how he came up with the voice and. And using it in that situation. He thought he'd never get. He was with no way he was gonna get the job. It's such a great story about how he just decided, like, I think this is how he'll sound.
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Alan Hahn
And the great thing.
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Don LaGreca
And they loved it.
- [34:28]
Alan Hahn
The great thing with Keaton is one of his acceptance speaks. I don't know if he got an Oscar for it or there was. Maybe he got a Golden Globe or something. In the acceptance speech, he talked about how he wanted to stick it to everybody who said he couldn't do it.
- [34:40]
Don LaGreca
Right.
- [34:41]
Alan Hahn
Because no one thought that it was a good selection. And he just loved just sticking it to everybody.
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Don LaGreca
And I still think it's probably one of the. It's. It's the best, right? The best. No. Well, I got it. Well, the guy who's. Who's after Michael Keaton, who I have at third. This might be controversial, but you can argue with your mom. Christian Bale.
- [35:02]
Peter Rosenberg
I'm with you.
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Don LaGreca
Fantastic. Three movies and again, the darkness of the character, the moodiness of the character.
- [35:10]
Peter Rosenberg
We're together.
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Don LaGreca
Sadness, all the pain, everything else, and then just something compelling about him as well. And how many times did Christian Bale as Batman lose? Like, there was a lot of that as well, where you had to see it that way, where he had to fight his way back, climb his way back. There was some. Some incredible story about. I thought he really embodied. Embraced it. He made those movies so fantastic. So while the Keaton Batman, the one from 1989, was. Was more, I think, a nostalgic Batman to watch, I might argue that the Dark Knight movies and Batman Returns like that. Like the Christian Bale vehicles, as you would say, Peter.
- [35:47]
Peter Rosenberg
She is.
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Don LaGreca
I might. If I had to choose, which one do I want to watch? I might watch one of those over the first one. Isn't that crazy?
- [35:54]
Alan Hahn
And I'm a fan of his too.
- [35:56]
Peter Rosenberg
No, they were.
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Don LaGreca
But it definitely fit, right? So there's that. Now I'm stuck on the next one because I want to do five. I have four. And here's the problem. I have four because I feel like the fourth one is a non traditional one as well, but it's one worth mentioning.
- [36:15]
Peter Rosenberg
All right.
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Don LaGreca
And Don already did. So let's just let the. What is it? The. What was. It's not the cat out of the bag. What did we say the other day? What did we mix up?
- [36:22]
Peter Rosenberg
The rabbit out of the hat.
- [36:23]
Don LaGreca
The rabbit out of the bag.
- [36:24]
Peter Rosenberg
The rabbit out of the bag.
- [36:25]
Don LaGreca
Yeah. Will Arnett in the Lego Movie version of Batman. Listen to me. He does the voice, you know, the diva.
- [36:35]
Alan Hahn
It's so good.
- [36:36]
Don LaGreca
I don't know if you know it's Will Arnold when he's doing it.
- [36:39]
Alan Hahn
Probably not.
- [36:40]
Don LaGreca
You can't tell. But there's just something. It's comical but yet interesting. I don't know. Like, I know it's.
- [36:46]
Alan Hahn
I just wanted animated goes back to the lair and he like, he. He microwaves a lobster or something.
- [36:53]
Don LaGreca
I think it's cool.
- [36:54]
Alan Hahn
It is very cool.
- [36:55]
Don LaGreca
There is something about it. Now the problem is, is that a fifth one to come up with is difficult. And I want to throw it onto the table and we'll all just fight this out and come up with the fifth.
- [37:03]
Peter Rosenberg
All right. Slap it right there on the table.
- [37:05]
Don LaGreca
Let's slap it on the table. So you. There's Clooney who did the Batman and Robin one, which. Clooney's a great actor. There's very few things he's in that I say. That sucked.
- [37:15]
Peter Rosenberg
Yes.
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Don LaGreca
I didn't love that movie, mainly because the Robin character was unnecessary. Clooney would have been great as a standalone. I think I feel like the Robin character.
- [37:27]
Peter Rosenberg
No one. No one need a Robin. Isn't that sad?
- [37:29]
Don LaGreca
Don't love it.
- [37:30]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, No, I agree. I couldn't even tell you what happens in Batman and Robin. It's. I'm with once. Even though Clooney looks like such a.
- [37:41]
Don LaGreca
Good fit for Batman. Again, the dark features, the whole thing. Right.
- [37:44]
Peter Rosenberg
But it doesn't. You're right. I don't even think back on it being a thing like that's. Which is unfortunate for Joe. I mean, he's gonna get up from. Worked out okay for George in the long run.
- [37:55]
Don LaGreca
I think he's just fine.
- [37:56]
Peter Rosenberg
But. Yeah, I'm with you on this.
- [37:58]
Alan Hahn
Okay, so where do we put Val Kilmer?
- [38:01]
Don LaGreca
So Well, I was going Val Kilmer's. Now he was in the Batman Returns, which was the one that Keaton didn't do a follow up. So they. They used Kilmer. They. They saw him in Tombstone and thought we've got to have this guy.
- [38:11]
Alan Hahn
Right.
- [38:11]
Don LaGreca
And he also could do like the quiet low voice kind of thing and I don't know. I, I Do you remember the movie? What's up? It wasn't memory. Well, what's the O? You got an O?
- [38:24]
Peter Rosenberg
No, no. I, I, that's a good. You just asked a hard question though.
- [38:27]
Don LaGreca
Oh you do.
- [38:27]
Peter Rosenberg
I remember the movie.
- [38:28]
Don LaGreca
That's the problem.
- [38:29]
Peter Rosenberg
I remember Val Kilmer as Batman.
- [38:31]
Don LaGreca
Yeah. But I don't remember the movie. Didn't stay with you.
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Peter Rosenberg
The only one to me and like I'm not, I'm not a. Respectfully, I'm not a DC or Marvel nerd. Right. Neither one. I'm not a comic book guy. My comic books are wrestling. Not, not comic books.
- [38:44]
Don LaGreca
Gotcha.
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Peter Rosenberg
The Batman. Exactly. The Batman movies that are like that hit me that like I rock with in the franchise. It's Batman 89.
- [38:54]
Don LaGreca
Yep.
- [38:55]
Peter Rosenberg
In there deep Dark Knight.
- [38:59]
Tim Legler
Mm.
- [38:59]
Peter Rosenberg
In there.
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Don LaGreca
Mm.
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Peter Rosenberg
Batman Begins Fire and Joker.
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Don LaGreca
Yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
Those are to me if you wanted to write the movies the overall movies in that universe that I'm super into. The other ones I saw him when I was young and they kind of just left my.
- [39:16]
Don LaGreca
They go away.
- [39:17]
Alan Hahn
So let's give it so it Lee.
- [39:18]
Don LaGreca
And then you want to get to Val. It's his day on romantic. Jake's not happy about this because the only other ones we're talking about here is. Is Ben Affleck did a, did a bat.
- [39:29]
Alan Hahn
No, they're not good.
- [39:30]
Don LaGreca
And that you know.
- [39:31]
Alan Hahn
No.
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Don LaGreca
Yeah. Robert and Robert Pattinson. Right? Yeah, but Robert Pattinson was Batman. Yeah, he was.
- [39:37]
Alan Hahn
He's the newest Batman.
- [39:38]
Don LaGreca
Yeah. The most recent. Which again this is our list. Only so many. Right. So. So Kilmer's on it. Lock it in now let Jake jump in because Jake is disappointed that we're leaving if I'm including Will Arnett. If you say Kevin Conroy, he was the animated Batman.
- [39:52]
Alan Hahn
Batman Beyond.
- [39:53]
Don LaGreca
I mean a very, very popular most kids childhood really.
- [39:57]
Alan Hahn
But we'll choose Lego Will Arnett. Yeah, sure.
- [39:59]
Don LaGreca
Because he was funny, entertaining.
- [40:02]
Peter Rosenberg
No, no, I would have left I would have left off all the cartoon ones, if I'm being honest.
- [40:05]
Don LaGreca
No, but Arnett's character actually you enjoyed it, Don.
- [40:10]
Alan Hahn
I did.
- [40:11]
Don LaGreca
By the way, didn't they do the Super Bowl? Didn't they do a Batman like commercial? And he was. I think his Lego guy shows up.
- [40:17]
Alan Hahn
I just wanted to give him some respect. So I mean listen, if I'm sure there's gonna be people have a problem with list we can get into a lot of trouble. But who played Joker the best? Because you've Got three.
- [40:27]
Don LaGreca
I mean, Diana.
- [40:28]
Alan Hahn
Heath. Ledger.
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Don LaGreca
Epic. Heath Ledger.
- [40:30]
Peter Rosenberg
Obviously.
- [40:31]
Alan Hahn
Joaquin Phoenix and Jack.
- [40:32]
Don LaGreca
Epic. Yeah.
- [40:33]
Alan Hahn
And then Jack.
- [40:34]
Peter Rosenberg
That's. By the way, that's tough.
- [40:36]
Alan Hahn
That is really difficult. Most. I bet you if you put. Ran a poll, they would say Heath Ledger.
- [40:40]
Peter Rosenberg
It was.
- [40:40]
Don LaGreca
It's got to be Heath Ledger because Jack. Jack Nicholson's was a.
- [40:45]
Peter Rosenberg
It's more cartoonish.
- [40:46]
Don LaGreca
Yeah.
- [40:46]
Alan Hahn
Goofy was gonna be first. Was gonna be that. I'm sorry. Like it had. That's what you were basing it like. They weren't gonna think to go dark there until later on.
- [40:55]
Peter Rosenberg
It's a great point by Don. What was the.
- [40:57]
Don LaGreca
The actor's name in the original Batman series? You remember?
- [41:01]
Alan Hahn
Oh, wow.
- [41:03]
Don LaGreca
You know it.
- [41:03]
Alan Hahn
Caesar. Yes, Romero.
- [41:05]
Don LaGreca
That's it.
- [41:06]
Peter Rosenberg
But I will say. I will say this at this point. The Joaquin. I know the second Joker that just happened got panned. A lot of people didn't like it.
- [41:16]
Alan Hahn
Got Lady Gaga made fun of it on snl.
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Don LaGreca
It was over.
- [41:18]
Alan Hahn
When you have people that were in the movie making fun of it, you know, it's not good.
- [41:22]
Peter Rosenberg
So I. Yeah, I've heard a lot of. I haven't seen it yet. I've heard a lot of interesting theories on like what the movie was supposed to be, including my friends who wrote. Literally wrote an essay about it. How the second Joker, in his opinion was literally an intentional mockery of society for like uplifting things like violence in film. It was literally intentional. Like we're making trash.
- [41:46]
Don LaGreca
So it's deeper than.
- [41:47]
Peter Rosenberg
It was like a super deep cut. Which is interesting.
- [41:49]
Alan Hahn
I thought I'd rather amazing.
- [41:51]
Peter Rosenberg
But he was walking, so I didn't see that one.
- [41:53]
Alan Hahn
But that first Joker is one of the best pictures I've ever seen.
- [41:57]
Don LaGreca
Really good.
- [41:57]
Peter Rosenberg
So. And. But at the same time, I remember Heath Ledger. God bless his. God rest his soul. When Heath Ledger did it, I thought, you can't do better than this. Ledger was amazing as Joker. It's a great question you asked about the best Joker. Three iconic actors.
- [42:12]
Don LaGreca
And that is the list brought to you by bet350. I enjoyed it at the moment. It's never ordinary. Bet365. I'm okay with us throwing it on the table and hashing it out on the air. I don't think we have it pre.
- [42:24]
Alan Hahn
Made because, you know, I'm always laying it on the table.
- [42:28]
Peter Rosenberg
Excuse me.
- [42:28]
Don LaGreca
So, yeah, just drop it right on.
- [42:30]
Alan Hahn
I never liked the way that we did the list on the K show. How so that I had to have you guys guess and then I would. I didn't like that. Because then what happened? It made Michael bitter because then all of a sudden, because he was wrong with a guess. Now he owned it. He didn't think about it three seconds earlier, but now that he had a guess that I said no, all of a sudden, that had to be number one. Otherwise I was a moron. Right?
- [42:51]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, it was. It's tough in that way.
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Alan Hahn
But Andrew at the time was like, no, it's fun. Get them to guess. I'd rather than the other way with how I wanted to do it. Come up with a list and the guys would comment on it. This is like we're curating it in real time. I think it's fun. It's like how the sausage is made.
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Don LaGreca
That's right.
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Alan Hahn
You know?
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Don LaGreca
Yeah, I like that. And then we get the people involved. 800-919-3776. Your opportunity to argue with us about any of the names that are on it. You already heard Jacob. He is not happy about this. But again, it's not Jacob's list, It's our list. 800 now. 93776. We'll get to your calls. I believe. Peter, you have something for me?
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Peter Rosenberg
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Peter Rosenberg
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Don LaGreca
What? I just paused to see if no.
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Peter Rosenberg
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Don LaGreca
Oh, he said what he did.
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Don LaGreca
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Alan Hahn
I like TP's take. He's like if you think people get on you for your sports takes, nerd stuff will make you never speak into a microphone again. You start debating. Although Jeff says He loved, loved the discussion and also loved when we broke into the Joker stuff too. Listen, we're very versatile.
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Don LaGreca
That's what we're trying to show. It is not just about sports. Doesn't have to be. And when there's major sports news going on, of course we're going to make that the priority. But like, you know, we got other stuff to kick around. That's what we're gonna do. And we did. If you don't like it, too bad.
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Alan Hahn
You don't like it.
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Don LaGreca
Leave 800 now. 3, 7, 7, 6. Blanderson, Hooper. By request of Peter.
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Tim Legler
Hey. Hey, Don. Peter. Alan. How you felt doing?
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Don LaGreca
Good.
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Alan Hahn
Yourself? Good.
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Tim Legler
Good, good. Okay. So baseball has a torpedo bat problem. Yes.
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Peter Rosenberg
Mm.
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Alan Hahn
I don't know if it's a problem, but it's. It's a dilemma at least. Go ahead.
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Peter Rosenberg
Sure.
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Tim Legler
That. That got me thinking. When was the very first torpedo used? 1866. The first self propelled torpedo. Robert Whitehead. You could look it up. 2. This one's for you, Don. The Mets have to worry about the brace.
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Alan Hahn
Yes, sure.
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Tim Legler
Okay. Well, so it's a good thing for the Mets then, that Jurisprudence Prufrock got hit with an 80 game suspension for PEDs. Third, Carmelo Anthony, he's a Hall of Famer.
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Don LaGreca
Yes, yes.
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Peter Rosenberg
He's got to be. Yeah.
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Tim Legler
Since 2014-2015. Since that season he has played in more games than Joel Embiid. Truth. Not a lot. That's true. And last one, and you guys are too young to remember this, but in 2022, there was an AFC divisional playoffs game between Chiefs and the Bills that the Chiefs won in overtime and Josh Allen didn't even get to touch the ball. Didn't even get to touch the ball. And that's why the NFL had to change the overtime rules.
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Don LaGreca
You know what?
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Peter Rosenberg
Why?
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Tim Legler
Nothing.
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Peter Rosenberg
For Don's father, though.
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Don LaGreca
Yeah, that's the one.
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Alan Hahn
He doesn't always do it.
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Don LaGreca
Don't. This one's for your dad.
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Alan Hahn
That's going to become a thing. He's really good.
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Don LaGreca
No, no. Bill Anderson. That is. That is excellent like that. I mean, that takes a lot of effort. He even looked up the torpedo thing.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. You want to go to the real one now?
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Alan Hahn
Listen, hey, you won't even notice anything happened. Just because he was so authentic in the way he said it, it made it seem like he did.
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Don LaGreca
Yeah, I believe.
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Alan Hahn
We don't know.
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Peter Rosenberg
I believe he bought it, though.
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Don LaGreca
I'm not. I'm not looking it up. Richard in Manhattan. Hey, Richard. You're so famous.
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Tim Legler
Alan. First one is for you did you see page three of the Post?
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Peter Rosenberg
No.
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Tim Legler
Oh, my God. Petey, how do you get away without reading? The whole page is Harrison Ford with Carlissa Flockart on the subway platform, kissing and smooching. At what station, Peter?
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Peter Rosenberg
72Nd Street.
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Tim Legler
Yeah, that's it.
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Don LaGreca
That's right.
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Tim Legler
You gotta read it.
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He just standing there thinking of you right away.
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Don LaGreca
Yeah.
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Tim Legler
I'm telling you, they got about five or six pictures of that. All right, Don, I got a couple for you. Now, last week, on this day, I said there are eight Elite eight games. Thursday, Friday, all eight large point spreads. I says, you got to take all the points, right? Well, here's what happened. All eight of the favorites won outright, but only four of them covered the spread, so I thought that was interesting. You would have been 4 and 4 if you bet that way. Now, Don, did you read in the Post Bruce Springsteen's inspiration for Glory Days? His friend Michael mentioned it on his show, DePaul. I think the kid's name was when he made that song. Okay. Well, he got the inspiration. It says in the article when they met at Headliner Bar in Neptune in 1973. I might have been there that night. I remember. Do you remember the Headliner Bar in Neptune?
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Alan Hahn
Yes, I do.
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Tim Legler
Okay. I remember the proprietor's name. He had a couple of places around there. Art Stock. I remembered it. I used to go down to the Jersey show. I was 18. And actually, Chuck Wepner had a piece of the action in that bar, too. I remembered. So I remembered in 73, the big song they were playing was Bachman Turner. You Ain't Seen Nothing yet. Then in 74, disco came on, and I remembered all of that, so I thought that was great. Don, I got to correct you with one thing. And then, Alan, I got one last one for you. Don't you always look back at the stats of the super bowl game and say Joe didn't have a great game, and a couple of weeks ago, Emerson Boozer should have been the mvp. What you meant to say was Matt Snell, right?
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Alan Hahn
Exactly. But anyway.
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Tim Legler
But, Don, in those days, and I know you respect me, and I say this to you respectfully, a quarterback managed the game he gave. The Colts were 17 point favorites. You know why the Colts were the 85 Bears defense. They were 17 point favorites. Not because of Earl Morrow and their wide rece. Their defense was that good. They had shut out Cleveland two weeks before that, 34 nothing in the NFC title game. So they were that good. They were the 2000 Ravens and the 80. That's how good they were.
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Alan Hahn
But you have to admit though, Richard.
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Tim Legler
He knew how to control.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, but he's the only super bowl quarterback to win the mvp. Not to throw a touchdown pass.
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Tim Legler
Well, that's the way it was back then.
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Alan Hahn
He's still the only one not to do it.
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Tim Legler
He wasn't going to rush you with Bracey or Del Bracey and the other guy, you know, Smith.
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Alan Hahn
But. But the thing that I always bring up about this Richard.
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Tim Legler
Alan, I got one last thing for you. Alan. All right.
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Peter Rosenberg
Okay.
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Tim Legler
I was thinking when you guys were talking about Frazier, I think Frazier from 69, 70 to the 7374 season. Well, I know this. He was the best guard in basketball. I wouldn't say 68, 69. Jerry west was still there and Oscar still had enough left. Okay, now as far as New York athletes In the last 60 years, unequivocally you can say that Frazier was the best guard in the NBA for five years. And I'm thinking about all the athletes who were the best at what they did for five years. Now, the only one I can compare this two guys that I would say, undoubtedly they were as good as Kaleida Mariano and Lawrence Taylor. But I think outside of those two, possibly Revis, Lundqvist, Winfield, Jeter, Seaver, A Rod, Aaron Judge. I don't think you could say any of those guys, not yet with Judge at least, were as dominant as Frazier. Frazier was the man in the NBA guard wise. And he might have been the most dominant player. Well, no, Jabbar was the most dominant player. Well, at that time, that's how great Clyde was.
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Don LaGreca
Guard wise. Thank you, Richard. Thank you. He was in go mode.
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Peter Rosenberg
There was no stopping.
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Don LaGreca
He didn't have the phone to his.
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Alan Hahn
Ear, just to his. I should have just laid out, I've.
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Tim Legler
Been riding this subway for 55 years by myself.
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Peter Rosenberg
What was that?
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Alan Hahn
55 years riding the subway by himself. They keep talking about the Colts were favored the cold. They shared no common opponent. The jets proved that the AFL was as good as the NFL. The reason the Colts were 17 point favorite is no one respected the AFL.
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Don LaGreca
Yeah, so they should have rolled over.
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Alan Hahn
It was an upset because the point spread.
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Don LaGreca
The first two, the packers rolled over.
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Alan Hahn
The packers rolled over, the Chiefs and the Raiders. And then if you remember, In Super Bowl 4, the Chiefs beat Minnesota and Minnesota was a big favorite because again, they didn't respect the NFL, the afl. That's why it was such a huge point spread. But it was proven that the AFL was every bit as good as the NFL because The Chiefs won the very next year and then they had the merger. The merger was already done anyway. But the point is is that I think it's being disrespectful to that jets team making it this miracle upset. I think that the jets were as good if not better and it was proven on the field.
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Don LaGreca
But it's a better story to tell.
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Alan Hahn
But it's fraudulent. The merger was done. Most people think that that created the merger. Didn't do it.
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Don LaGreca
Got a secret. What's that? Most of that kind of like pre modern day history. A lot of it is hyperbole. Oh a lot of said because everybody.
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Alan Hahn
Sports people were stupid back then so they bought into anything and created everything.
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Don LaGreca
You know like it was. Who's gonna. Who's gonna know? Like that's how that always went. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter.
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Alan Hahn
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Don LaGreca
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