Hour 2: Tim Legler & Fraud Alert Friday

Summary

Podcast Title: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
Episode: Hour 2: Tim Legler & Fraud Alert Friday
Release Date: May 30, 2025

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Overview

In this engaging episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg, host Alan Han teams up with ESPN legend Tim Legler to analyze the intense playoff series between the New York Knicks and the Indiana Pacers. The conversation delves deep into game strategies, player performances, and coaching decisions. Additionally, the episode features the recurring segment Fraud Alert Friday, where the hosts humorously dissect and rule on fraudulent fan behaviors. Amidst the sports talks, listeners are treated to light-hearted banter, celebrity anecdotes, and playful disputes over the origins of their signature segments.

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Celebrity Interactions at Games

Timestamp: [00:43] - [04:20]

Alan Han kicks off the episode by highlighting Tim Legler's exceptional post-game breakdowns, praising his use of the telestrator to analyze plays.

• Alan Han: “There’s no one better these days with the telestrator than Tim Legler... It’s a great education. I love talking hoops with him.”

The conversation then shifts to memorable celebrity interactions during games. Alan brings up an incident where Mariska Hargitay hugged Jalen Brunson, prompting Alan to ask Tim if he had similar experiences from his playing days.

• Alan Han: "Do you have a story of your playing career that could match something like a famous actress ran out on the court and gave me a bear hug after the game?"

Tim shares his encounter with the fan Kissing Morgana, reminiscing about a time when she kissed him on the cheek during a jump ball.

• Tim Legler: “She got me. I’m standing at a jump ball circle and Kissing Morgana comes running onto the court and grabs me and kisses me on the cheek.”

Tim contrasts the current celebrity exposure at games with his era, noting the impact of digital media on fan-celebrity interactions.

• Tim Legler: “The amount of exposure of celebrities out of sporting events is something that most guys have played in my era can’t relate to at all...”

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Knicks vs. Pacers Series Analysis

Timestamp: [04:26] - [22:46]

Alan and Tim delve into the Knicks' recent performance against the Pacers, analyzing key moments and strategies that influenced the outcomes of the games.

Key Points Discussed:

• Offensive and Defensive Strategies: Tim emphasizes the Knicks' aggressive offensive approach, particularly their effectiveness in the paint, which constrained the Pacers' offensive options.

  • Tim Legler: “I thought their offensive mindset, the way that they put that team under assault in the paint in the first half set the tone for the entire game.”

• Player Performances: Tim highlights Tyrese Halliburton's performance, noting fluctuations in his aggression and impact on the game.

  • Tim Legler: “He wasn't a problem last night because I thought he took himself out of it by not having an aggressive mindset really from the very beginning of the game.”

• Coaching Decisions: The hosts discuss the implications of coaching strategies on the series' outcome, particularly focusing on Tom Thibodeau's adjustments against Halliburton.

  • Tim Legler: “There’s really nothing more complicated than that [personnel, scheme, and effort]. And most teams don’t have enough of it to guard a team like this.”

• Game Six Predictions: The conversation anticipates Game Six, exploring how the Pacers might handle the pressure of playing at home and the Knicks' strategies moving forward.

  • Tim Legler: “They're going to put that pressure on them and... it’s going to be the ultimate test for how they respond to that.”

Notable Quote:

• Peter Rosenberg: “All right. The Knicks stave off elimination with as probably a complete an effort as they’ve had since knocking off the Boston Celtics a couple of weeks ago. Can they do it two more times?” [04:44]

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Fraud Alert Friday

Timestamp: [27:31] - [52:06]

The Fraud Alert Friday segment serves as a humorous yet insightful look into various fan behaviors deemed "fraudulent." This episode features a playful dispute over the origin of the segment's name and its rightful creator.

Key Discussions:

• Fan Allegiances: Listeners send in emails questioning the authenticity of their multiple team affiliations, such as wearing hats or jerseys of rival teams or sporting different team colors.

  • Anthony Pusick: “I got a Blue Jays hat and a Falcons hat and I plan to wear them when I go visit. Am I a fraud...?”

  • Peter Rosenberg: “...you’re free to wear jerseys and hats of other teams besides your favorite team as long as they are not a rival.”

• Trademark of Fraud Alert Friday: A humorous back-and-forth ensues regarding the ownership of the Fraud Alert Friday idea, with Anthony asserting its creation and Peter disputing the claim.

  • Anthony Pusick: “...this is my speech, when I go into the hall of fame. If you think I should thank Andrew for his contributions to Fraud Alert Friday, I think that’s worthy.”

  • Peter Rosenberg: “But I trust Anthony. So if that story’s true, and I’ve no reason to believe that it’s not, then, yeah, Peter’s a fraud.”

Notable Quotes:

• Alan Han: “Do you have anything, legs, that Tibbs did last night that the Knicks cannot repeat or will struggle to repeat on Saturday, or should they be able to do the same thing, go deeper in the bench, play the same kind of defense?” [13:37]

• Anthony Pusick: “Let’s ask Dom McGregor.” [27:34]

• Peter Rosenberg: “I'm a fraud with a capital F.” [27:31]

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Closing Remarks and Future Segments

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts tease upcoming events and segments, including plans to attend the NBA Finals and continue the Fraud Alert Friday discussions. The playful banter continues as Anthony challenges Peter on the Fraud Alert Friday ownership, culminating in a humorous verdict.

• Don La Greca: “Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.” [27:07]

• Alan Han: “It was done. We have calls, though. You guys want to get some fraud calls in real quick before we get back to the Knicks at 5?” [45:40]

• Peter Rosenberg: “Take care of yourself. Have a great weekend. Be safe.” [49:50]

The episode wraps up with standard outro remarks, encouraging listeners to subscribe and stay tuned for more insightful and entertaining discussions.

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Conclusion

Hour 2: Tim Legler & Fraud Alert Friday offers a compelling mix of in-depth sports analysis, entertaining anecdotes, and lighthearted segments that engage both avid sports fans and casual listeners. The dynamic interplay between hosts and guest Tim Legler provides valuable insights into the Knicks' playoff journey, while the Fraud Alert Friday adds a unique and humorous twist to the show's content. This episode exemplifies the lively and informative nature of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg, making it a must-listen for fans eager to stay updated on New York sports and beyond.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Tim Legler [03:14]: “Whenever [Bill Clinton] would come to the game... we'd get a very, very cool, exclusive tour of the White House.”

• Alan Han [07:08]: “Did you see that?”

• Tim Legler [10:43]: “Tyrese Halliburton called himself out after the end of game three...”

• Peter Rosenberg [18:12]: “The teams winning on the road here, that just never happens.”

• Tim Legler [22:44]: “I was a baseball player. I was baseball player first...”

• Anthony Pusick [27:31]: “I'm a fraud with a capital F.”

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This summary captures the essence and key discussions of the episode, providing insights and memorable moments for both regular listeners and newcomers.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Han]

All right, it's his 4 o' clock hour. We go with Don the GRE comp. Peter Rosenberg, I'm Alan Han. As Don told you, like we, we love after games to get the best breakdowns that we can get. There's no one better these days with the telestrator than Tim Legler and, and you see him on Scott Van Pel SVP and after these games and he's showing you exactly what went right, what went wrong. It's a great education. I love talking hoops with him. We bring them in right now. The great Tim Legler joining us. Legs, what's happening? I got a quick question for you from your playing career because after the game last night, there was a lot of on the court, it was crazy. But maybe the thing that I saw that really made me just my eyes pop out was Mariska Hargitay running up to Jalen Brunson and giving him this big bear hug. And like Jalen Brunson, like even he was just caught up in it. Now, in your, in your playing career, do you have anything that comes close to something like that? Like I've heard, I've had players tell me things like, oh, you know, there was a singer and she passed her number to a referee to give to him. Stuff like that. Like I've heard all these things happen. Do you have a story of your playing career that could match something like a famous actress ran out on the court and gave me a bear hug after the game?

[Tim Legler]

I think, I think the closest thing I would have to that. Do you remember a woman who was, she was turning up at sporting events all over the place named Kissing Morgana? Do you remember her?

[Alan Han]

Yes, of course. Okay.

[Tim Legler]

She, she got me. She got me. I'm standing at a jump ball circle and Kissing Morgana comes running onto the court and grabs me and kisses me on the cheek. And runs off the court. So this was when she was at, like, the height of her popularity. So that one, I guess, would be probably something in that category. But you know what I've noticed guys along these lines, and certainly New York and L. A are different level, but the. The amount of exposure of celebrities out of sporting events is something that most guys have played in my era can't relate to at all. It just wasn't something you noticed. You didn't talk about it. There were no pictures of it the next day. There wasn't Page Six. There wasn't like, you know, all the. All these pictures and videos of all these celebs at sporting events. It's. It's because of, you know, obviously, the digital technology and what you're able to do with that stuff. Everybody gets to see that now. So it was something that we were, for the most part, like, really unaware of, like, who was at a game on a given night.

[Anthony Pusick]

Did you. Did you ever get a. You ever get a Bill Clinton appearance at a. At a whiz game?

[Tim Legler]

Oh, gosh, yeah. The fact I met him several times. He actually. Big NBA fan. And whenever he would come to the game. So you're talking, you know, basically, you know, 92 to 2000. I mean, that's. I was there from 96 to 2000. So he would come to, I don't know how many games a year. A couple, at least. And when he would come, typically, he would sit in the box with the owner, Abe Poland, and there'd be all kinds of Secret Service all over the arenas. Crazy. Even had one, like, right there on the end of the bench. Basically, there was a Secret Service guy. For some reason, I became friends with one of those guys. But he would come in the locker room afterwards, pretty much every time he came to a game, and he'd walk over to each player and shake their hand and talk to him for a minute. So, yes, that was definitely something pretty cool. And through that connection with the Secret Service, we got a very, very, very cool, exclusive tour of the White House. We got to see a bunch of stuff that you don't typically get to.

[Anthony Pusick]

I bring that up, guys, because being from the D.C. area myself, I know that's basically during that era, the only good celeb you could hope to see at a Wizards game.

[Tim Legler]

Yeah, look, that's press. Sadly, this. That's pretty true. Unfortunately, it's gotten better.

[Anthony Pusick]

It's gotten better, though.

[Alan Han]

Now we have not had a reaction from Don yet. Don, you know who Morgana is, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course.

[Alan Han]

Like that you. Like, like, that was one. If she's running towards any. Like, remember Nolan Ryan? Like, if she's running towards someone, it is hard not to notice.

[Anthony Pusick]

I have some of my first thoughts, let's put it that way.

[Tim Legler]

I was actually. I was actually surprised she could get close enough to me to kiss me.

[Alan Han]

To be perfectly honest. Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. The Knicks stave off elimination with as probably a complete an effort as they've had since knocking off the Boston Celtics a couple of weeks ago. Can they do it two more times?

[Tim Legler]

They can, yeah. I mean, you know, it's one of those ones. You know, it's. You can't give definitive answers on this. Both of these teams are capable of winning every night. I mean, that's the truth. I felt like going into the last game, Indiana had to feel really good overall about their ability to operate close to their ceiling offensively in the series. And that's really their identity. They're not a terrible defensive team. They're a good defensive team. They're not a shutdown defensive team. They've gotten much better over the last few months of the season, but their identity is. Offensively, they're so hard to guard on certain nights. It really makes it tough no matter what you come up with. Very few teams have the personnel, scheme and effort. Those are the three things that go into playing defense. There are really nothing more complicated than that. It's personnel, scheme and effort. That's all it is. And most teams don't have enough of it to guard a team like this. And I think going into game five, they felt like they were in control because they had played a large portion of this series the way that they need to play and close to their identity offensively. And a lot of that changed last night. And it was, I think, the. The biggest, biggest story of the game. People are looking in again at 94 points. Halliburton non existent. Must have been the Knicks defense. I'm not. I'm going the other direction. I thought their offensive mindset, the way that they put that team under assault in the paint in the first half set the tone for the entire game. It helped their own defense. It slowed the Pacers up. It forced them to guard with four guys at least below the foul line. Most defensive possessions, because it was straight line, dribble, drive. I'm catching it and putting my head down. I dare you to stop me. And The Pacers couldn't. 60 points in the paint in addition to 15 free throws. That's 75 points from that little Blue area on the court, basically 75. They had 36 more paint points than three point points. That just doesn't happen very often in the NBA. I don't care who you are, it doesn't happen. So I thought their offensive approach put Indiana back on their heels big time and slowed them down even more than their improved defensive effort.

[Alan Han]

Could you say like. And I, I understand what you mean about how their aggressiveness almost had the Pacers on their heels. They couldn't run off makes nearly as EAS easily a lot of things like that they were taking advantage of. But having Mikhail Bridges pick up three quarter court for a majority of the first half of that game, is that. Is it Bridges effort or did Halliburton almost check out a little bit and not stay aggressive? Cause there were times I saw Bridges like literally have his arms wrapped around Halliburton and Halliburton just stood there rather than pull a Steph Curry and run around, make you ch. Oh, you're going to play me this clutch? You're going to chase me around now? I'm going to wear you out. He almost just like surrendered to it. Did you see that?

[Tim Legler]

100%. And look, I'm, I'm 100. I agree with you, but I'm not saying it's 100. Halliburton, it was clearly the Knicks effort on him. And just their, the priority that they placed on him was different. There's no doubt. But I, I'm not, I'm not sitting there saying I was watching last night what OKC does to people. Picking you up 80ft every trip, turning you three times before you get to half court, then handing you off from one elite perimeter defender to another and getting up into you and physically constantly raking at the ball while you're sliding. I didn't see that. I saw an improvement in their ability to impede his forward progress. Because that's really what we're talking about, right? Not getting outlets 25ft up the floor where he's running already toward the other end as he's receiving the outlet with no pressure in sight or coming off that brush screen that he loves to get at like 30ft, 35ft. He loves to get that, that brush screen where he's coming up and. And then that big guy or whoever it is is trailing the play. And then they run up and he comes right off that brush screen and downhill going to his right hand. He did whatever he wanted to in game four, Game five, that was harder to come by. So they were slowing that Up a little bit. They fought over picks better. I thought certain guys did a really good job of fighting over ball screens. They didn't have to get broken down and compromise as much on ball screen. That. Which. Which that is directly what limited his passing. He wasn't collapsing their defense because he came off with a free run off a brush screen. That's what leads to the assist numbers. So they weren't. And running. Obviously they weren't able to run really. So I definitely saw an improvement. This was not some lockdown get up in them defensive effort, man, this was Tyrese Halliburton coming into a game with a mindset after playing one of the greatest games I've ever seen a point guard play in the postseason. And it's almost like he was saying to himself, well, I know they're not going to let me do that again tonight. So I guess it's going to be other people. And I'm just going to. Because I did a touchscreen last night and I stopped it. As he was coming over half court, Miles McBride was guarding and Miles McBride was 12ft off of him at half court, and he. And there was nobody else up there. And he picked his dribble up and he waited for Obi Toppin to run out of the backcourt to get into the front court to swing the ball to him on the wing. And I'm going, what are you. What am I looking at right now? I just think there was something between his ears last night that was not where it needs to be. When that guy plays like his hair is on fire, he's a problem. And no matter what the Knicks do to him, that if that's there, he's still going to be a problem. That might not be to the extent that he was in game four, but he's still going to be a problem. He wasn't a problem last night because I thought he took himself out of it by not having an aggressive mindset really from the very beginning of the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Game and to that point. You know, Siaka mentioned it after the game last night. Miles. Excuse me. Bridges mentioned it, the game after four about effort. They wanted it more. They had more intensity. Why do athletes go there? I mean, you played in the NBA. Isn't it just better to say it wasn't our night or they played better than we did? Why do athletes feel like it's okay to tell the general public that the other team wanted it more?

[Tim Legler]

Yeah, listen, I'm with you, you know, and you're talking to a guy. Look, man, I wasn't an all star player. I was a role player in the league. But I'm telling you right now, I never played a second of basketball in my life that wasn't as if this was the last game I'm ever going to play. That's just, I don't. So I don't understand the mentality. Played harder than we did. But I don't get it either. Individually, I think it's a blanket statement that collectively puts your whole team on notice that, hey, man, they, they, they had more desire than we did tonight and that's why they won the game. That they, the, the desire should have been equal. Now there's a desperation that you can't manufacture and the desperation clearly was with the Knicks because they're about to go home. The Pacers know they've got two more chances and certainly have another chance at home. Going into the game last night. They know game six is back in their place. Now, does that somehow organically make you less desperate? I think maybe a little bit, because the Knicks are like their season is going to come to an end if they don't find a way to win this game. So I'm with you. I don't like the cliche answers that guys give. And look, here's what I know, though. Tyres Halliburton called himself out after the end of game three, the fourth quarter of game three, because they were very, very slow and stagnant. And he was not really a factor in the fourth quarter that game. And they lose the game and the Knicks were back in the series at 2:1. He responded in a way that few guys have that I've seen in a long time by, by him. He put it all on him that night in the postgame presser after game three, which I thought was overdoing it almost. He wasn't about, we, we, we was me, me, me. I didn't, I didn't, I have to. Blah, blah, blah. And man, did he back that up in game four. So, you know, he was doing it again last night. He made it more about the collective, a little bit about himself. Let's see what his answer is and let's see what the Knicks do when Tyrese Halliburton looks like he normally does. Will the Knicks still be able to have that impact again? I think the key to the whole thing is how can they attack them when they have the ball? Because that to me was the difference in the game last night. That was an absolute just mono a mano beat down with straight line dribble drives stop me. And Carl Anthony Town's top of the list. I just thought he played one of the most powerful halves. I've seen the guy play all year.

[Anthony Pusick]

Is there anything, legs that Tibbs did last night that the Knicks cannot repeat or will struggle to repeat on Saturday, or should they be able to do the same thing, go deeper in the bench, play the same kind of defense? Should. Is it possible they found an answer, in other words, to some of the questions they've been facing?

[Tim Legler]

Well, I think one of the things he had the advantage of was for the most part, playing in front and controlling the game. Right. That's. That, that's a different way of coaching when you're comfortable, and they were comfortable pretty much from the beginning of the game. So that, that does change your mentality about trusting guys for a little bit longer stretches or trusting a couple of missed shots or whatever it may be when you have a lead and it feels like we are in control of the game. So that, that, that affected Tibbs and it's, you know, I must, you know, it must be a great way to coach when you feel that way in a playoff game. I think they felt that way the entire night. Now, to your point, are the Knicks going to be able to drive the ball down their gut the way that they did last night? If they do, something's wrong with the Pacers and Rick Carlisle, because they're going to go look at that, and I'm telling you right now, I can, I can. You could edit a film and show probably 20 of those. Just one on one square you up, pick a direction and go and get all the way to the rim with contact or without contact. Guys not stepping in that are, that are close enough to step in and put their bodies in front of people and either draw a charge, force a whistle or force a kick out. If you don't make The Knicks take 35 to 40 threes, you're in trouble because that means they're getting what they want want, which is physically overwhelming you. Their advantages are size and strength. Pacers advantage is their speed. And this game was played much more to the Knicks liking in that regard. So can they repeat that? I'd be surprised if the Pacers allow that level of their perimeter shell to be broken down like that off the dribble. So now what do the Knicks do now? Do the kickouts come? Do those role players make shots? Do they make threes with that kind of pressure on the road? That's going to be a big part of game six in My opinion.

[Alan Han]

Do the Pacers feel extra pressure to win at home? And in this series is there. The urgency is always something that you feel, and the team that's facing elimination is always going to be the one that has the most pressure on them. But for the Knicks, it was a matter of if we're losing, we're not going to lose at home. Right. You could tell that that was the motivation. We're not. We're not going to go down at home. But now that you go on the road and you understand that they're going to now have the crowd and all the momentum, all that stuff that we always see in these playoff games. But do the Pacers legs feel a little something extra in this game, knowing that the last thing they want to do is get on a plane and go back to New York and play a Game seven?

[Tim Legler]

Definitely. I mean, if they're being honest, for sure, they feel that it's going to be a different feeling waking up a game day tomorrow. There's going to be a level of. Of, I'm sure, nervousness, jitters, understanding the magnitude of the moment. You know, you always think you've got an advantage because you're at home. But you know what else comes with that in a game to that you're playing an opportunity to go to the NBA Finals for the first time in 25 years. There's also a tremendous amount of pressure on shot making because the difference what they're going to feel tomorrow night, when you, if you're a guy, you miss a couple or the team misses a few in a row, you feel their angst in the stands. As a home player, you feel the angst, and it's a different level of pressure that's going to come with that to where I think this team believes. Even if they were to lose, you know, you get careful. Don't start talking like this as a team. Yeah, man, we don't need to win. You know, you just need to win one more game. That's dangerous. You start allowing that to. To creep in. But the truth is, I think what they really think, though, is we've won a lot of road games in this postseason, and we, we will be okay in a Game seven because there will be less reaction in the building to bad things happening to them. When they're on the road, like at home, everybody's going to feel that, oh, turnover. You hear the groan in the crowd, like that pressure level with the expectations of winning this game and getting to the Finals. They haven't faced anything like that. Yet. So this is going to be, this is going to be the ultimate test for how they respond to that. So they are going to put that pressure on them and you know, they're going to, they're going to obviously do everything they can to make sure they don't have to go back to the Garden.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I was going to ask you, the teams winning on the road here, that just never happens. The next six and two on the road. Why are teams being able to put efforts up on the road like never before?

[Tim Legler]

Yeah, you know, honestly, we were talking about this last night with, I was Talking about the SCP look at the last 10 years. The number of teams that have like either been in a game right to the very end or won important game sevens on the road. And you're like, man, that never happens. Like if you were, if you were, it was almost like, it was almost like you got to a game seven in the past like beyond 10 years ago. Like, it was almost like, go ahead and just let this team go ahead and go to the next round because there's no chance you're going to win a road game in a game. So I don't think the mentality around these teams is that way anymore. The main reason for that is because of the importance of the three point shot to teams and their offense and relative to the number of points you're going to put up. Right. So much more important than it's ever been in this league. You never really feel out of anything and we've seen it time and time again in this postseason. We saw it used, you guys saw it firsthand in game one. And so as a result, when you're on the road, typically it used to be you got down 15, you and you're getting all twos and free throws and mid range jumpers. That's what that's, that's like, feels like insurmountable. It doesn't feel that way to teams anymore on the road. If they don't get off to a great start or they fly, fall behind. Teams are more comfortable now than they have been before and I think that's the biggest reason. You know, you can make up deficits to a greater degree than you've ever been able to in this league on the road.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tim, good stuff, man. This was a lot of fun. Hopefully we'll have more reason to talk to you in the coming days and hopefully weeks.

[Tim Legler]

Well, for sure. And, and, and I do know that there's Scott Van Pelt and myself are going to be going on the Road for the finals, doing all the post game. So if the Knicks somehow can get there, I'll probably see you guys at the Garden.

[Anthony Pusick]

Love it.

[Alan Han]

That's tremendous. Did you guys break down that, that tic tac toe thing with the fans or was that just my.

[Tim Legler]

No, we didn't get to. But I was dying when I was playing. I was. So I'm sitting in a conference room in D.C. with Van Pelt, Stanford, Steve, the producers, right? We're sitting there watching it and I, I has that guy never played tic tac toe.

[Alan Han]

Did you guys see it?

[Anthony Pusick]

I didn't see this. I didn't see this.

[Alan Han]

So he had, it was exit, obviously tic tac toe. I think he had the X and there was an.

[Tim Legler]

Oh no, he didn't. He had the circles. He had the blue.

[Alan Han]

Okay. He had the. So there was X's in each, each corner and he had his O and he made his shot. So he runs to put it down. He runs by the two X's with the, with the space open in the middle to go around to the top so he could put an O next to one of his O's. And it was.

[Tim Legler]

And then the other guy, the other guy comes in right behind them, just dropped later with the third X and.

[Alan Han]

Just sets it down and wins for $1,000.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's disturbing to me.

[Tim Legler]

To me what I saw last night may have been more disturbing than some of the God awful first pitches that we've seen over the years from people. Where you go, did you never throw a ball when you were a kid?

[Anthony Pusick]

Not once.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're not asking you to throw it fast or even throw a strike, but throw to throw a ball.

[Tim Legler]

No, your arm has gone in this motion before, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you know, you know, of the athletes legs.

[Tim Legler]

Have you ever wanted a piece of trash into a trash can? Like, do you not know this motion of your arm?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But guys tell me I'm wrong that when you talk about athletes first pitches, the ones that are worst are the NBA guys. I don't know whether the motion of throwing is different than shooting, but I think most of the real bad ones we've seen are the basketball guys.

[Tim Legler]

Well, I'm going to tell you right now, and I'm, you know, I've never had the opportunity to do it, but I look, I was a baseball player. I was baseball player first actually probably all the way until my senior year of high school was still my best sport. Actually went to La Salle to play both and broke my foot in basketball that year. And I Ended up giving up baseball that summer. Never went back to it, but. And I pitched. So if I got that opportunity, one thing I will tell you, I. I'm not taking anything off it because I think that's the biggest mistake you make. You can't baby it up there. You got to step up there and put something on it, man. But, but some of these people that we've seen, it's literally like their arm has never gone in that motion before.

[Anthony Pusick]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's almost un American.

[Alan Han]

It is that. That's a good call, Don. It really is like, like everything that.

[Tim Legler]

Grew up in this, by the way, as is not understanding when you got a guy down in a game of tic tac toe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no, that's just the space.

[Alan Han]

Overthinking it at that point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I need to un American.

[Tim Legler]

All you guys have you. I mean, think about the adrenaline rush you get playing tic tac toe when your opponent leaves that door open because it just doesn't happen. If you're playing a good tic tac toe player, you could be there for hours. Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A good tacto, a person that can breathe, see, function, like, it's. It's really bad.

[Alan Han]

I just want to see legs at a nationals game. Towing the rubber, looking for, looking for, like, you know, just go ahead, just, just throw it, throw it down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bring the heat.

[Alan Han]

Like topping out about what I may shake them off.

[Tim Legler]

Cutter. I'm not lying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I love it. It's tremendous. Legs. Enjoy it, man.

[Alan Han]

I hope.

[Tim Legler]

You guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don La Greca]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don La Greca]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Did you or someone you know participate in fraudulent fan behavior?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm a fraud with a capital F.

[Don La Greca]

Is your friend a fraud?

[Anthony Pusick]

I have been a complete and utter fraud.

[Don La Greca]

Are you a Fraud.

[Anthony Pusick]

What is fraud?

[Don La Greca]

Let's ask Dom McGregor.

[Anthony Pusick]

Screw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go scratch yourself.

[Anthony Pusick]

Oh, what is? Well, it's a great question, Marco Lagreca, and today we will get some answers. Dhre S pngmail.com you send your emails in and myself, Anthony Pusick, the crack staff here at Don Hahn and Rosenberg. We dig in with a fine tooth comb and we come up with the best questions for Don Legrecke. Now, we're going to start off a bit different today and of course you can always call with your fraud questions and thoughts as well. 1-800-919-3776 but we're going to start on a little bit of a different note because this relates to our very own Don Lagreca. Madeline, we got an email recently, a few weeks back. It said, I'm a Mets and packers fan. I have family in Toronto and Atlanta. So I got a Blue Jays hat and a Falcons hat and I plan to wear them when I go visit. Am I a fraud for wearing the hats of these particular team or other teams in general? And of course, that ties right into the theme of this week, which is an incredible picture that was found, an old photo of Don which we've named Pre Pug Don because it goes he's so Repug. It predates him. Getting to the Repug era, he was pre Pug.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pre Pug.

[Anthony Pusick]

But in the photo he shocked many people by wearing a throwback 1970s Carl Uskremsky era Boston Red Sox cap. And some people have called fraud. I have defended Don and said that I think when it comes to baseball hats, if you're someone who just likes to wear caps, wearing different caps to me is fine. This email plays right into that. Don, let me let's hear you rule first on Peter who wrote us a few weeks back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's who is the original teams he roots for.

[Anthony Pusick]

He's a Mets and packers fan, but he's down to where a Blue Jays and Falcons had.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, again, no fraud. And this also helps me defend myself when you're talking about hats or jerseys. And I was a big hat guy and jersey guy when I was younger and I still like hats today is the rule that I go by is that you're free to wear jerseys and hats of other teams besides your favorite team as long as they are not a rival, a known rival. So and listen, it's easy. Yankees, Red Sox, obviously, Mets, Phillies, Mets, Braves. That's pretty obvious. I won't go division because, you know, Marlins have been pretty harmless. And I think I told you the picture of me from sportsphone. When the Marlins became a team, I liked the hat. I liked the teal. So I wore the Marlins hat. It was before they were anything. I probably wouldn't wear it now because there's a bit of a history between the two teams. But at the time, there was no history. You know, giants 49ers, even though they're not in the same division, they've played eight times in the postseason, and there's a hatred there. So if there is no general connection of rivalry, then I personally believe that it's fine.

[Anthony Pusick]

Now, Alan, the thing that I want to get into when it comes to Don wearing the Red Sox hat is, is there a Mets, Red Sox rivalry in any way that in the mid-90s, it would have been weird for a hardcore Mets fan to wear a Red Sox hat?

[Alan Han]

As much as I really want to take Don to task here, I gotta admit, if you beat a team in the World Series, are they really a rival?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Han]

And it's the only time they've met. So it's like, you know, I don't look at them as a rival. We kick their ass.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And also.

[Alan Han]

And also, they're a Yankees fan. You can wear a Braves hat. Kick their ass.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's not just a Red Sox hat. It's a red sock hat that they wore in 1975.

[Alan Han]

No, don't. Just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's the matter?

[Alan Han]

No, I just don't see if you have to really go that deep to explain it. Start giving me the like, well, well, it was 1970 Carlton Fisk, and it's a special. Nobody cares. It's a Red Sox.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't care. I'm trying to explain that there's. There's a. It's a throwback type of thing. You see what I'm saying, Peter? Like, you can wear, like, a throwback jersey where it's not so much the team, it's just that it's kind of throws back to a different era. And you're like, in that 75 World Series, the first World Series that I remember, and it's not a hat they usually wear. And like I said, I've got the. The black socks scandal hat has nothing to. To me, it's almost like not even honoring the White Sox. It's just like, I thought that movie was cool, and I thought the hat was cool. So I think sometimes when it's a throwback Allen, it's really beyond, like, making any kind of statement towards the team. I think Peter gets it as a Jersey guy.

[Anthony Pusick]

Of course I do.

[Alan Han]

So Don, you're talking. This is strictly for you. It's strictly fashion.

[Anthony Pusick]

Fat just sport fashion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Something I liked. Like I didn't. Fashion is mean. I like the way I look in it. That wasn't the motivation. Which is, I mean, Don is recently.

[Anthony Pusick]

As mid pandemic bought an alternate Seahawks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jersey because I love the color.

[Alan Han]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the Giants and Seahawks have no kind of rivalry. I bought a Carl Anthony Towns Wolves jersey because I just like that that fluorescent green.

[Alan Han]

You did?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Han]

How about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was good background on.

[Alan Han]

Yes, because why weren't you, why weren't you wearing it last night?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because that's not what it's. First of all, why. Don't answer that. He's antagonizing me, Peter.

[Alan Han]

No, I, I, I just, it's, it's, it's kind of a silly conversation if I'm being completely honest. It really is silly, but you know, I'm trying to have fun with it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't, don't blow up our spot here. This is, you know, fraud alert Friday. There's always no you.

[Alan Han]

You've already declared yourself. You've already considered yourself pardoned from any fraud. Like you are clear. So, you know, what are we supposed to say? The more guilty you sound. So I would just probably.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just wanted to explain it because, you know, very seldom does, you know, I get called out. But continue, Peter.

[Anthony Pusick]

All right, we have an email here from Tom. Guys, I'm a long suffering jets and Knicks fan, but it does make me happy to see a former Jet do well. Make her win the super bowl. Except revis with New England. I was also psyched to see Sam Darnold do well as he did with Minnesota. While I am 100% rooting for the Knicks and will be crushed if they lose.

[Alan Han]

Oh boy.

[Anthony Pusick]

I will feel good for Isaiah Hartenstein or Obi Toppet if I see them lift the Larry o' Brien trophy above their heads next month. And I would have felt good if it was Julius or Dante DiVincenzo as well. Fraud. Thanks and keep up the good work, Tom and Hawthorne.

[Alan Han]

I am curious about this, this ruling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm okay with the Hardenstein.

[Alan Han]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you can't root for a Pacer.

[Alan Han]

Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can't do it. I know you like topping. It's great. You know, you feel good that he want. No. Once he puts on. Because that's a rival.

[Alan Han]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Once he puts on a Pacer uniform. Once he puts on, you know, anything like especially the fact that he beat you. Now, maybe like now if you want to tell me the Knicks don't make the playoffs, Allen and the Pacers are in it, maybe I might think about allowing it. Because you didn't have. You're not involved. But he's beating you. And if they go to the finals, they beat you, right?

[Alan Han]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the Pacers, Nick, that's a thing, man. No way. Hardstein. Now, now if they, if they go to the finals and lose to the Thunder, you know, and if you want to say I guess I decent, I got a little consolation prize. I'm happy for Harnstein. Still, it's hard to think that way if you just lost the championship chance, you know, but if Harnstein wins and beats the Pacers, I got no problem. Be a, be a full on Thunder fan if they're taking on the Pacers.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah, it's. It's tough to at this point pull anything for. Listen, you could say subtly, hey, you know what, good for Obi. But like actually cheering for him in this spot, that's tough.

[Alan Han]

No thank. I'm very grateful that that's. That technicality is what you had because you know, the, the Randall DiVincenzo Hartenstein part of it. Yeah, yeah, whatever. If the, if the, you know, if the Knicks don't get there, sure. But the top in one, that's inexcusable. No, you, you're going right into the pen. Right? Like we're walking you out, putting you in cuffs and taking you right to the pen. No bail.

[Anthony Pusick]

Don, Don, perfect. To weigh in on this, Jonathan writes us and says, I grew up in central Jersey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Anthony Pusick]

No hockey team, wasn't a fan. I got a devil's tattoo on the center of my chest. Like Iron man, but for New Jersey. So the tattoo was done just for New Jersey, not because of hockey.

[Alan Han]

Not, not a hockey. Right. Okay.

[Anthony Pusick]

My ex girlfriend made me a hockey fan, but now I love the Rangers. Am I a fraud also? Any ideas for a cover up?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not just fraud, weirdo. Oh, there's got to be other ways to represent New Jersey then getting a devil's tattoo. Once you get the devil's tattoo and then you kind of get into hockey, wouldn't you feel like, you know, I like this sport, I gotta root for the Devils, right? I love Jersey so much. I had a tattoo to my chest. Then how you open the door that you starting to like hockey and then you gravitate towards the Rangers. You got the tattoo on your chest, you're representing New Jersey and she's an.

[Anthony Pusick]

Ex girlfriend anyway, and now she's an ex. It really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it makes no sense. That's such a. I don't understand why you would get a devil's tattoo on your chest to represent New Jersey. There's got, I don't know, the parkway sign, something. But. But it's a team logo.

[Anthony Pusick]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you don't care. So what, you're. You're not a hockey fan, but then you become a hockey fan. Wouldn't you get some points? I. Wait a minute. I'm starting to get into the sport. I got to be a Devil fan. It's on my chest.

[Alan Han]

And I'm all in on Jersey. I'm all in on Jersey. I'm so in on Jersey that I tattooed a jersey logo on my chest. I'm so into it, but not enough to be a Right. I'll do anything for love, but I won't do that.

[Anthony Pusick]

You know what?

[Alan Han]

Are you serious?

[Anthony Pusick]

I was sure we were headed towards no fraud because, like, I do understand getting the devil tattoo. Nah, man, hear me out. Just because you. You're a Jersey guy and you love Jersey and it's not my thing. But you wanted a tattoo. Listen, they're the only pro team you got. I get it. It is a very New Jersey thing. But to Don's point, this is what makes him the fraud. The fraud, man. Don nailed it at the point. It was, you start getting into hockey, you got to start going, well, I got to go Jersey here if you're going to do it. You had to make a choice early. What are we doing?

[Alan Han]

Yeah.

[Anthony Pusick]

Especially a cover up. I had no idea.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's making a huge sacrifice, you know, scarring his body for the love of the state.

[Alan Han]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the one team that the state has that represents New Jersey now I'm going to be a Ranger fan.

[Alan Han]

Yeah, that's. That's like having like, you know, more locally for me is you have the tattoo of Long island on you somewhere on your forearm. You like whatever it is from the Islander logo. Right. But you become a Ranger fan. That doesn't make sense. I'm all in on the. I love the Islanders. I love Long Island. It means everything to me. Long island, everything. But I'll be a Ranger fan. It does not make sense. So same kind of thing. It's the regional pride. But yet I won't have regional pride in my team.

[Anthony Pusick]

Last one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Anthony Pusick]

Dan writes us. Hey, guys. My father has been a Knicks fan for as long as he has been watching the NBA. He was also a Nets fan going back to the days of the aba.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, Boy.

[Anthony Pusick]

Because of this, he maintains that he has the green light to continue to be a fan of both teams. And since the Nets joined the NBA.

[Alan Han]

This is a hot one.

[Anthony Pusick]

Right now he's referring to the Knicks as quote his guys. Only a few years ago he was calling Kyrie Durant Nets his guys. Is he a fraud? Do I have the right to insist that he pick one team and that's it? Thanks Dan And Rockaway.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, do what you want with your dad. He's your dad. But he's a fraud. I mean, come on, it's, it's textbook. Two teams in the same area. My guys pick a team. I don't even know why you'd bother emailing that like this. Is the answer obvious now as far as should you address it with your dad? I mean he's a grown ass man. He should be able to know what he's doing. But if you want to call it to his attention that Don Lagrego called him a fraud, go ahead. But really if he all of a sudden to drop one of the teams, he's still a fraud.

[Alan Han]

I think it was good that he emailed. I think it was important. I think this is the example that needs to be set. And the fact that he, he brought it to your attention because you are now of course again, you are the judge, jury and executioner in this. So now he can go to his dad and say, listen, if you don't believe me, Judge Don McGregor called you a fraud. You are a fraud.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But just look.

[Alan Han]

Now it's official. Stamped, sealed, delivered.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were even naughty by nature yesterday. It was, it was uncomfortable, but it had to be done.

[Alan Han]

KG was not happy with you, which was great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what he wished. I take it differently. We made eye contact and I think he looked at me and said, I'm a fan of this show. And you know what? You're right.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah, I think he knew. I think he knew Don was right. That'll do it for Fraud Friday. Dhre s p [e-mail] if you want to be down with Fraud Friday next week.

[Alan Han]

Well, I think Anthony has one we'll do next. He does have a fraud to. Okay, we have some calls at 800-919-3776 on that as so. But we will also continue obviously with the Nick conversation. But the Fraud Friday continues with you. If you have you want to call in and offer up some fraudulent behavior that you are spotting and want Don to rule on it. But Anthony's is an interesting one. So we'll also have that coming up. Meanwhile everybody, the Thunder are in the NBA finals and a big reason why is second team all defensive player Jalen Williams. A great defense can get you to the NBA finals and it's important for your business too. The truth is one third of businesses will unwittingly turn over their sensitive company data to thieves this year. So in an instant your customer files bank everything is compromised. You won't know until the million dollar ransom demand hits your email. Preventing data turnovers is why your business needs Thrive, the leading managed security services provider in the us. Now it all starts with a comprehensive Thrive Cyber risk assessment. So Thrive security analysts identify security gaps and deliver proactive solutions to help keep your network healthy and protected. Listen, it's not a matter of if, it's when. So are you ready for this? Get your no obligation security recommendations and consultation. Your business relies on it. Visit thrive next gen.com ESPN that's thrive next gen.com ESPN.

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[Don La Greca]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Anthony Pusick]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don La Greca]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get Your podcasts.

[Alan Han]

All right, so I. I think because it's Fraud Alert Friday and we've got. We get tons of emails, which are great. And I thought we had a really compelling Fraud Friday segment there because there were a couple there, there, some that seemed obvious, but were important to enforce, you know, and one or two that were sort of on. Sort of on the fence. So that's good. But Anthony told me earlier that he has a fraud that he'd like to call out.

[H]

Yeah, I'd like to call fraud on Peter, back in the beginning of the show, he said, I created Fraud Alert Friday and I have to object because I have documentation, proof, even from a good friend. This is even for me. I'm doing it for a good friend. Andrew Gunling, back in the day when we gave out show idea emails, you guys were part of these as well. When we started the show, I put Fraud Friday as an option. And where did I get this beautiful idea from? Well, for years before I was on the show, Andrew Gundling would make that an idea saying, don loves to be the arbiter of fraud. That's what we used to. Or wanted to call it. Let's call it that. Let's make a segment where Don calls out fraud. Peter has now commandeered thinking no one would remember that this happened. I remember that Andrew did that. And, Peter, I would like to hear your rebuttal, please.

[Anthony Pusick]

Brooklyn remembers is what he said.

[H]

Yes, always.

[Anthony Pusick]

Well, listen, I have. I have one. I have many layers of defense here, but the main one I'll say is anybody who's a part of this show knows perfectly well that neither myself, Don, nor Michael ever read an email that.

[H]

Was sent to us, which is really sad.

[Alan Han]

I knew that was coming.

[Anthony Pusick]

So, you know, I don't remember it now. But I will say this, even if it. Andrew was such a great producer that of course, I think it's on the table. But I do think that the version that we have now put together is something that I'm proud of and consider a brainchild. I'm proud of what I've done. If that means in my speech, when I go into the hall of fame. If you think I should thank Andrew for his contributions to Fraud Alert Friday, I think that's worthy. He's gonna get a great paragraph anyway of the speech.

[H]

I think to avoid any lawyer lawyering, any issues with lawyers, you would have to. Because the ip Andrew can come back. Take it.

[Anthony Pusick]

No, Everything happened to this radio station technically.

[Alan Han]

I think this needs to be done in the legal manner. And Don, I think we're gonna need a ruling.

[Anthony Pusick]

Oh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about that? I do not remember.

[Alan Han]

Of course you don't.

[H]

You don't read the emails.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I. But I trust Anthony.

[Tim Legler]

Oh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So if that story's true, and I've no reason to believe that it's not, then, yeah, Peter's a fraud.

[Anthony Pusick]

I just don't remember.

[H]

This makes me happy. Thank you. And I'm sorry, Peter. It had to be done. Just.

[Anthony Pusick]

I don't know if it had to be done. I question whether it had to be done, but, you know, here we are.

[Alan Han]

It was done. We have calls, though. You guys want to get some fraud calls in real quick before we get back to the Knicks at 5?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do it.

[Alan Han]

All right, well, Dave's in the car. Speaking of Nicks, he wants to call out some. Some frauds. Go ahead, Dave.

[Tim Legler]

Hey. Hey, guys.

[I]

This is going to be a little bit of a cerebral fraud as far as sports fans in New York. You got to follow me to grasp it. But I think. I think you guys will understand. I think it's a fraud idea in the minds of New York Knick fans to think that this particular Nick team couldn't have success without him if he was replaced. So follow me on this, okay? Andy Reid was a genius. He couldn't get the Eagles to the Super Bowl. Peterson came along and unlocked their greatness and got them to a Super Bowl. Reed went to the Chiefs and unlocked them and got them to a Super bowl dungeon. Couldn't unlock the Buccaneers. They had to bring in Chucky to unlock the Buccaneers and get them to the Super Bowl. And it took Phil Jackson to sit Shaq and Kobe down in Dakota to say, we're not breaking you up. We're going to unlock this thing and win championships. I think that Thibodeau is a phenomenal coach. But if you tell me you have to bust up this Nick team, which has been the rumblings for the last 48 hours, Cat can't play with Brunson. I'm crying fraud. You either get a coach in here who can work with this team or they can't. Those guys are elite basketball players, and they can be taught and coached to another level. Now, does Tibbs have the ability to do that? That's the fraud I want you to identify. You get where I'm going with that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I.

[I]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If, If. If Tibbs is coaching the Thunder, are they winning the NBA title?

[I]

No, Stop.

[Tim Legler]

Stop it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Take care of yourself. Have a great weekend. Be safe.

[Alan Han]

Didn't Tony Dungy go on to win A Super Bowl?

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah.

[Alan Han]

Okay.

[Anthony Pusick]

Of course he did. But I thought that. Well, that was the point. A good point. I thought if there was a good point he made, I thought it would be that sometimes you may have a really good match, but it's not the greatest match. And both the coach and the team end up better off somewhere else. That does happen, right? That can be used by his.

[Alan Han]

Andy Reid couldn't win and then Peterson came in and won. But. But Andy Reid then won. Like, like.

[Anthony Pusick]

Right, but he didn't win there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But his.

[Anthony Pusick]

And sometimes it's not the right place.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he. He was giving an example that, like, helped the argument for Tibbs. Because Andy Reid couldn't win in Philadelphia because he didn't have Patrick Mahomes. He had Donovan McNabb. He gets Patrick Mahomes and now he's going to the hall of Fame. Nobody won a Super bowl with Donovan McNabb. So it told you, hey, Donovan McNabb will get you there. Donovan McNabb is good enough to be in the championship game, not good enough to win a Super Bowl. He can go to a Super Bowl. Couldn't win the Super Bowl. Patrick Mahomes could. Now, he'd have a better example if somebody went to Philadelphia. Yeah, Philadelphia won, but not with Donovan McNabb. But he lost me. Are you telling me Tibbs would not have this Thunder team in the exact same spot?

[Alan Han]

It's amazing that even after a playoff win, I'm telling you, still come out of the woodwork.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought when I was going to go fraud is that these fans are attacking Tibbs. We wouldn't be here without him. No, he. I'm telling you, if they lose this.

[Alan Han]

Series, the fraud in the fans are the ones that are literally rooting for the team to lose. So they can be right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you know that there are out.

[Alan Han]

That's the fraud.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They want to be right. And I'm telling you, and Peter was right in the moment when they won the first two games in Boston, that Tibbs can now get a penthouse in New York. You're not going anywhere. And he's not going anywhere. But at least in the eyes of the fans, that he finally won them over. No, if they lose this series, they'll be right back again as if the Boston series didn't happen. He'll be treated the same way if they lost to the Pistons as if they lose to the Pacers. They're just waiting. They're waiting to stick their claws out on this guy. It is unbelievable.

[Don La Greca]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Han]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good.

[Don La Greca]

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