Hour 2: Trade Lindor? & The List

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Trade Lindor? & The List (July 8, 2026)

Brief Overview

This jam-packed hour from ESPN New York’s Don, Hahn and Rosenberg show weaves through the agony and absurdity of being a modern Mets fan, the emotional rollercoaster of chasing sports dreams, heavy discussion on the team’s direction (including the potential trading of Francisco Lindor), and a lively, listener-friendly “List” segment on the most typecast TV and movie actors. This episode balances thoughtful sports debate, New York nostalgia, and pop-culture banter—exactly the blend that defines this crew.

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Mets Meltdown: Emotional Fallout & Sports Dreams

Mets Collapse & Matt Sellinger’s Story (00:44–14:02)

• Rosenberg recounts the latest Mets loss:
  Mets led 9-4, "and then it just all falls apart." (00:42)
  "If you're still invested in the Mets, God love you." (00:44, Rosenberg)

• Bullpen Woes:
  Kodai Senga brought in on short rest, gives up four runs and four walks, despite his promising rookie pedigree. "He gives you three innings and gives up four runs and four walks... Now he's just a waste. He's done." (01:53, Rosenberg)

• The Matt Sellinger Debut:
  Local Long Island kid, 31 years old, finally reaches the majors after nine years in the minors and pitching for the Ducks—only to get shelled ("seven runs, four walks," 63.00 ERA after his first inning).
  Rosenberg: "I just, I wanted to cry for him... this is his dream." (03:08)
  "He pitched a clean inning and actually got the earn run average to go down [to] 31.5." (04:44, Rosenberg)

• What’s the value of a moment?
  The hosts reflect on whether simply making it—regardless of outcome—would ultimately be satisfying.

  • Alan: "...aren't you kind of asking the ultimate life question about what kind of person are you? Glass half full?" (08:53)
  • Peter: "Some people it's just a cup of coffee. But hey, I worked my whole life and I actually got to experience [my dream]." (10:29)
  • They agree: at age 31, simply reaching the bigs is its own victory.
  • Sellinger was DFA’d (released), but “he’s in the books; he was a major leaguer.” (08:04, Peter)

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Mets Dysfunction & The Lindor Trade Debate

Team Turmoil and Organization Direction (14:02–22:47)

• Why Call Up Sellinger?

  • “What it tells you is where the Mets are. …The Mets are in a world of hurt.” (14:02, Rosenberg)
  • Team is searching for answers, evaluating everyone, in clear need of talent.

• Should the Mets trade Francisco Lindor?

  • Debate centers around rumors and logic:
    • Rosenberg: “Explain to me how that benefits the organization.” (14:59)
    • Peter points out sometimes subtracting talent (“addition by subtraction”) is needed to fix a broken clubhouse, citing chemistry issues with Lindor, Soto, and others. (16:00)
    • Peter: "...You have this two, two clicks in that clubhouse, you gotta make a choice. And you're always going to choose the younger player who, who has the longer term contract." (16:45)

• Debate on timing and execution:

  • Rosenberg: “If they’re going to trade Lindor and get a bunch of prospects, great. But am I sure this is the guy I want to make that kind of deal?” (17:07)
  • Alan: "Total botch... specifically you can pick which botch you think is worse. Was the Lindor contract botch or was going out to get Soto the botch." (18:59)

• Big-picture problem:

  • Team tried to “swing for the fences” with Juan Soto, but lacked the roster structure and leadership for it to succeed.
  • Rosenberg: “You should always try to get the best personnel. So getting Juan Soto was not a mistake. The mistake was not having the structure to handle him.” (20:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Matt Sellinger’s Big League Cup of Coffee:

  • “I just wanted to cry for him... I'm sure when he dreamed it, it was striking out the side. His family's there and just like, tears coming out of my eyes...” (03:08, Rosenberg)
  • “At the end of the day, I got a story that, hey, I made it.” (07:59, Rosenberg)
  • “He was DFA today, so it’s over as far as the Mets are concerned. But he's in the books, though. He was a major leaguer.” (08:00-08:10, Peter & Rosenberg)

• Perspective on Legacy and Failure:

  • Alan: "...my life's a joke... and they'd become an alcoholic and they'd fall apart…” OR “I made one dream happen... took that same energy and now I'm doing something else.” (08:53–09:36)
  • Peter: “If I told you that you have the option of never having the experience, or you get to the show, but it's an absolute disaster, would you say, I still want to be in the show?” (12:01)

• On Lindor, Soto, and Clubhouse Dysfunction:

  • "One plus one equals sh... That’s what happened." (19:45, Alan)
  • “Be careful what you wish for. You did win the day, but was it really the best move for you because of what it's done since?” (22:08, Peter)

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The List: Top Five Most Typecast Actors (24:23–39:29)

Premise:
Actors so tied to a character that you’d shout that name if you saw them—rarely recalling their real-life name.

Segment Highlights & Player Banter

• Framing the exercise:

  • “Actors that you know them by their character and not their name.” (24:47, Rosenberg)
  • "If you saw them in the street, you'd recognize them by the character's name." (25:04, Peter)

• Top Five, as Named:

  1. Archie Bunker (Carroll O'Connor)
  2. Screech (Dustin Diamond)
  3. Urkel (Jaleel White)
  4. Vinnie Chase (Adrian Grenier)
  5. Crocodile Dundee (Paul Hogan)

• Other Honorable Mentions & Discussion:

  • Pee Wee Herman (Paul Reubens), Jim Varney (Ernest), MacGyver, Jon Snow (Kit Harrington), Tony Soprano (James Gandolfini), Kramer (Michael Richards), The Fonz (Henry Winkler), Punky Brewster (Soleil Moon Frye), Topanga (Danielle Fishel), Kelly Kapowski (Tiffani Thiessen), Zach Morris (Mark-Paul Gosselaar), and more.
  • "You know Urkel’s name?" "Jaleel White." (33:40, Alan)
  • "If you saw him in the street...you're yelling Urkel.” (33:44, Rosenberg)

• Lively banter:

  • Respective generational roots debated; characters are generational touchstones, with 80s, 90s, 2000s all represented.
  • Alan: “Now he’s barely Vinny... He’ll be Vinny Chase forever.” (37:24)
  • Peter: “I have a friend who hooked up with her in prime Punky Brewster... when she was an adult.” (36:01)
  • The Outback Steakhouse connection:
  • Peter: “Outback SteakHouse, founded... capitalizing on the pop culture wave of the 1986 film Crocodile Dundee.”
  • Rosenberg: “It’s true. That’s pretty iconic. It started a steakhouse chain.” (44:03–44:17)

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Takeaways & Tone

• Human side of sports – The Sellinger segment was strikingly empathetic and relatable, reaching beyond the box score to the core of sports fandom and the pursuit of dreams.
• Cynical Mets Realism – The hosts vented their frustrations at both the roster and front office, but also gamely bandied about big decisions (Lindor trade).
• Pop Culture Bonding – The ‘List’ segment was timeless, tapping into shared TV-memory joy and laughter, and highlighting the cast’s easy chemistry.

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Key Timestamps

• 00:44–14:02: Mets loss fallout and Matt Sellinger’s MLB debut story
• 14:02–22:47: Mets dysfunction, Lindor trade/debate, and organizational woes
• 24:23–39:29: The List—Most typecast actors (plus honorable mentions)
• 43:18–44:17: Crocodile Dundee influence on Outback Steakhouse, NYC movie nostalgia

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Final Thoughts

This hour of Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg exemplifies the show’s unique blend of heartfelt sports reflection, New York-centric truth-telling, and cultural fun—anchored by big personalities who are as at home discussing pen bullpen disasters as they are debating TV character immortality. Perfect for listeners who crave equal parts angst, nostalgia, and banter.

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Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

of the big city Don Hahn and Rosenberg with you. It'll 6:30. At that time we'll hand it off to Mets baseball game two of the three game set between the Mets and the Royals. We got the list coming up at 4:30 enn at 6. Wild game last night. Listen, I mean if you're still invested in the Mets, God love you.

[Peter]

Well, don't you like you do, like you're a fan. You're going to watch, right?

[Rosenberg]

No, what I'm saying, invested meaning, like you're living, living and dying with each other.

[Peter]

Well, aren't you watching though? Like Ben just had a really nice run here.

[Rosenberg]

Ewing, Ewing's been terrific.

[Peter]

You're kind of watching for that at this point, right? Can Luke Weaver keep it going? Because you kind of like him. And maybe you got one thing right. You got Luke Weaver and he's been very good. No. Sort of coming around, being a little bit of a leader with some of the young players.

[Rosenberg]

If you're tossing in Turner because you lost the game, that's an issue.

[Peter]

Okay, but what upset you so much?

[Rosenberg]

Well, so I'm in and out of the game, to be honest. I'm following it.

[Peter]

It's on in the background, but you

[Rosenberg]

know, the kids are watching it. Declan's over. He's a Met fan.

[Peter]

There you go.

[Rosenberg]

So they're watching. It just, it's crazy. I mean they, they've got a, they've got a 94 lead and then it just all falls apart.

[Peter]

Then they thought, let's bring in Kodai Sanga.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that was a mess. He gives up.

[Peter]

That's a good idea.

[Rosenberg]

Sanga, like, yeah, you know, he needs an extra day when he's starting, but on three days rest, he can go out there in relief and he gives you three innings and gives up four runs and four walks. This is, this is a guy that, when they got him, he finished seventh in this. In like Rookie of the or Cy Young. Like he in his rookie Year like he pitched well.

[Chat Participant]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And now the injuries and now the ineffectiveness. Now he's just a waste. He's done. So the game is 9, 9 and even the Braves series in a couple of games they won. Remember the game they had a 10, three leading up six runs on the ninth inning. Like hold on. And then the other night, the last game of the series, we're back and forth and extra innings like a lot of runs are being scored late in the game. So it's nine, nine. So I'm invested. And now there's this. The one thing that baseball brings is that, you know, tug at your heartstrings moment. They bring in Matt Sellinger. Matt Sellinger is a local kid from Westbury, went to SUNY Farmingdale. 31 years old, making his major league debut pitch with the Ducks.

[Peter]

He got called up.

[Rosenberg]

He got drafted by the Pirates way back in 2017. So he's banging around the minor leagues for nine years hanging on. There's probably multiple times where he's going to give up on his dream. It's not going to happen man. It's not going to happen. And now finally never quit before the miracle at 31 he gets to make his major league debut to live out his dream and gets absolutely shelled. I just, I wanted to cry for him because this is his dream and I'm sure when he dreamed it it was striking out the side. His family's there and just like tears coming out of my eyes almost as he gets absolutely shelled. Seven runs, four walks. His earn run average, Peter at the end of the inning and it's his major league earn run average because it was his debut was 63. Yikes, 63. For those of you scoring at home, 6 and 1 earned run averages basically. What would you give up if you pitch nine innings? If he had pitched a nine inning game, his earner on average represents he would have given up 63 runs and it looked every bit like it. And they're talking about it during the game and I think because Keith was doing the game, I don't know if it was Keith or Gary, maybe this is something he'll laugh about later on. I'm thinking if that were me, I'd be crestful. I finally made it and that's what I did. Now the good news was they gave him another inning because why not, you know, games and he pitched a clean inning and actually got the earn run average to go down 31.5. But so at least he got a little bit of a better taste in his mouth.

[Peter]

He struck out Salvador Perez. I mean, that's not.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I mean, and he has striking out two guys, so.

[Peter]

But still, you could, if there's anything you could say is I struck out. But Paris is going to be a Hall of Famer, right? I struck him out.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

You know, like there's at least you got that.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, he made it, all right? And I don't know, but I, it's. How would you feel? Because you. I, I pitched in high school and, and I was recruited by Rampo College. I got cut. You know, the whole story. And I, and honestly, it sounds like. It sounds ridiculous. Up until the end, I still thought maybe, just maybe some kind of fluke will happen and I'll catch on somewhere and I'll be able to pitch. And you played basketball and I'm sure there was moments where you're like, oh, no, maybe I'll go to Greece or something and maybe I'll get a 10 day contract from an NBA team or whatever. Right.

[Alan]

Did you think that out?

[Rosenberg]

Did you ever.

[Alan]

No.

[Peter]

I mean, I thought I'd have a shot at playing somewhere in Europe, like a little bit, but I learned quickly. When we played Christ the King when I was a junior, I'm sorry. We played Oak Hill Academy when I was a junior in a big, big McDonald's tournament we played in. And I saw the back. I went back door, like, cut behind me, looked up and all I saw was the bottom of his shoes. And I was like, yeah, that's, that's gonna be it for me.

[Alan]

Up until that, I had a good run, though.

[Rosenberg]

Up until that moment, you probably thought, hey, you know I'm tall.

[Alan]

Yeah, why not?

[Rosenberg]

But if for some reason. I get what you're saying, if some reason. Because at 30. Listen, you know how difficult it is to make your major league debut at 30, 31, usually, usually you give up by then.

[Chat Participant]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

So obviously he was still holding out hope. And a Long island kid pitching for the Mets.

[Peter]

Yeah, it's personal.

[Rosenberg]

So imagine if for whatever reason you're, you're playing for the Knicks. All right, listen, it's a ten day. Everybody's hurt. They throw you out there and you throw 10 airballs, go over 10, would you be like, hey, I got to play at Madison Square Garden, I got to be a knicker. Would you like, be like, oh my God, I'm well disgusted with myself. I finally got it.

[Peter]

But he still got a couple of strikeouts. So there is a highlight.

[Rosenberg]

But I'm telling you, because the moment.

[Peter]

I know, yes, in that after the

[Rosenberg]

first inning, I'm saying when I'm watching the game last night, after that first inning, he's pacing in the dugout, like, you could see that he's. And I hope Green killing him. Just let. Let him go out there again. All right? Because let give him a chance to. And he did. He did redeem himself and didn't give up anything in the next day. So you, like, there were some positives. He has two big league strikeouts. That's something like. But at the moment, before he gets to pitch that next inning, I'm thinking

[Peter]

it's eating him alive.

[Rosenberg]

It's got to be. I just wonder.

[Peter]

It's killing him.

[Rosenberg]

I can only go by how I would feel, like maybe over time, hey, I did something that people could only dream about. I put on a major league uniform, I went out there on a professional ball field and I played.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Or does it eat at you that you just didn't perform? Like, it would probably eat it. I think both would be true. It would eat at me that I didn't perform. But at the end of the day, I got a story that, hey, I made.

[Peter]

He's not Moonlight Graham.

[Rosenberg]

And he got. By the way, he's. He was DFA today, so it's. It's over as far as the Mets are concerned.

[Peter]

But he's in the books, though. He was a major leaguer. He's in the books?

[Rosenberg]

No, he's in the book.

[Peter]

And so I know a year, like, as time goes by, that will still matter to him that, you know what, I pitched for the Mets. Right.

[Rosenberg]

How would you end up feeling? Peter, I know you weren't quite the base if I made it, but. But if you, I don't know, relate.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

That's how you would feel.

[Alan]

So if I. If I got the opportunity, I made it that far, and then I just. You just get completely shelled to the point where you're immediately DFA and it's over.

[Rosenberg]

How would I feel?

[Alan]

How would I take it? Would you.

[Rosenberg]

Would you look at the bright side? Hey, I made it. Or would you feel disgusted that you didn't do it?

[Alan]

I think in the moment, you're feeling disgusted. There's no way. Yes, you have to.

[Rosenberg]

But 10 years from now, 20 years from now.

[Alan]

I think I know the sounds of what I'm saying, silly, but aren't you kind of asking the ultimate life question about what kind of person are you? Are you like a glass half full? Like, there are people who would go. Who would spiral and they would say, I Made it that far. I worked everything and it was all for nothing. My life's a joke. And they'd become an alcoholic and they'd fall apart and be miserable and every time they'd get drunk, they'd corner you and complain about that day and how it all would have been different and how you should be somewhere in a hot tub with your soulmate. That's Uncle Rico to you and me. But there are other people who would then go on to do awesome stuff and be like, dude, I made one dream happen. It was incredible. I made it as far as I could and I took that same energy and now I'm doing something else. That's the ultimate question.

[Peter]

First of all, him wearing 73 was nice, but the other one is he said when he was throwing like warming, I guess he was, whatever it was, warming up on the field. He was looking around the stadium. I've sat there for a game, I sat there for a game. I sat there for the Rangers Winter Classic. I went to the Home Run Derby here. Like he, this is a guy who grew up and he only knows sitting in the crowd. It's something that Zach and I always talk about as. He's just, you know, he's just continually, no matter what gets in his way, chasing that dream of one day, does he get a chance to one shift in the end? You know what I mean? Like that's, that's a dream that if you got one shift, yeah, it's, it's just now it's all complete. I think not everybody is born to be the number one pick in the draft and go on to have a 10 year career. Some people it's just a cup of coffee. But hey, I worked my whole life and I actually got to experience.

[Rosenberg]

I think you're right. I think because of, because of his

[Peter]

age, pretty freaking if he was 22, different story.

[Rosenberg]

And now he realized his dream is over because he would be in that game thinking, hey, maybe I'm going to pitch well and I'm going to stick with the team and, and I'm going to, I'm going to be a big leaguer for the next 15 years. And then you fall on your face and you're like, I guess not like the moment you had in high school, that was probably devastating for you because up to that point you're thinking, hey, scholarship and all that at 31, when you're making your big league debut at 31, mission accomplished. Just being on the map, right? Because you had to think this was never happening. 20s, 30 yes. You're like, I'm never going to get there. When he was pitching for the Long Island Ducks, which is an independent league team, you're probably thinking, this is it. You know, at least I'm getting paid to play ball. I think the victory was the moment when he was looking around. I sat there. I sat there, and what ended up happening is irrelevant because really, was it ever on the table that the miracle would happen at this point? Maybe he'd stick around for a little while, but at 31, he had to realize this is. This is the culmination of the dream. Just stepping on the mountain. Let's not get caught up in what I did.

[Peter]

It's not the movie. The right.

[Rosenberg]

And he did get that second inning. So he did strike out a couple of guys. There was some positives. And now he can look back and go, at least I made it.

[Peter]

He finished strong.

[Rosenberg]

It's a great way to look at it because of the age at 31, when you finally live your. That's the. That's the victim walking on that. That first pitch he threw.

[Peter]

That how we. You know, how we always do. Like, you know, would you take 96 years old? Would you take 98? Right. If I told you that you have the option of never having the experience, or you get to be there, you get to the show, but it's an absolute disaster, would you say, I still want to be in the show?

[Alan]

Right.

[Peter]

Wouldn't you just say, I'll take it because I want to be there? I want to say, I got there. And his perseverance to. All the way up to 31 years, he's playing for the Ducks, man.

[Rosenberg]

And also, I don't know what. That's really. What he's going to do. Is he going to walk away from the game? I don't know what's going to happen.

[Peter]

Maybe better.

[Rosenberg]

But let's say he goes back to the Long Island Ducks and he sits down in the clubhouse before the Ducks next game, there's gonna be a cr. Every one of his teammates is gonna be around him asking him, what was it like? What was it like to pitch at Citi Field? What was it like to, you know, be in the same dugout with Juan Soto and Francisco Lundo? They're. They're. They're not gonna be like, oh, what it is? What is it like to get racked? They're gonna say, hey, what was it like to be in the show? What was it like to pitch in front of all those people? Beyond tell, like, I'm sure. That everybody, the media all around you, envious of you.

[Peter]

All the media was around you.

[Don Hahn]

What was that like?

[Peter]

Oh, New York media was around you.

[Rosenberg]

But in that. Just as somebody that has been there, done that, pitched in that moment, though, I'm sure he was devastated in the dugout, walking up and down, pace about.

[Peter]

He's probably, like, he was probably begging him, can you just get me out there? I want to go back out there. And I'm glad.

[Rosenberg]

I'm glad he did do this. I'm glad he did, and I'm glad he had the inning because, you know, it's always on the table. Hey, Senga Petch like crap, right? And he. And he's. He's been in the bigs for a while, right? Anybody can have a bad moment. His bad moment was his first moment, you know, so maybe he's just mad, like, damn, give me another chance. I could do better than that. But he's been DFA'd and, you know, we'll see. Listen, there's kind of sucks. There's always room for pitchers.

[Peter]

Shouldn't Senga been DFA'd?

[Rosenberg]

And I've seen a lot of people beating the Mets up, like, putting him in a bad situation, like he's 31, like, what's the chance to succeed?

[Peter]

That's exactly what you do, is put a guy like that in that situation.

[Rosenberg]

The Mets. What people have to realize is that it's an evaluation. Now, why he's with the Mets. I don't know the backstory as far as they needed an arm. What it tells you is where the Mets are. You know, the Mets are in a world of hurt. It's not even about, like, how they're playing. And the evaluation at the end of the day, like, Andy Green is going to go to Stearns at the end of the season and report back what's wrong. And if there's any other answer, then we just don't have players. Then there's a problem. Like, they've got to come to the conclusion, guys, that David Stearns isn't the guy. And now you're. And now. And now the topic of conversation. They were talking about this morning, trading Lindor. Explain to me how that benefits the organization. All right, now, if you're going to tell me that he doesn't get along with anybody, doesn't get along with Soto, he didn't get along with Nimmo, he didn't get along with McClain, didn't get along with Alonzo. Dude, they got rid of those guys to keep Lindor, in order to trade him, you're gonna have to eat all kinds of salary. How does that make the team better? Like, do you really think you're gonna get studs for Francisco Lindor?

[Peter]

No, but that's not what it's about. First of all.

[Rosenberg]

What is it, though? Explain to me what it's about.

[Peter]

I want to know because I've actually seen this happen. Sometimes you make a move, it's addition by subtraction. It doesn't mean you get it. You're getting better as a team. You can't, because you're gonna have to find yourself somebody that can play short. Now, they're not gonna be as good as him. But the point I think is, is, you know, there's something awkward happening in that clubhouse. We said it last year, it was obvious, and then the owner went out, admitted it. Yes, this was a problem. He said it was a problem last year, but we think we fixed it. But we all know it's not completely fixed. Right? They just, both players have kind of realized what we've got to learn how to get along even though we don't really like each other. And then they've been fortunate enough maybe to not have to spend a lot of time together because of the injuries that went on between the two of them where they weren't really having to play together. But at some point, as a, as an organization, you're going to have to make a choice, because if the clubhouse is never going to get right because you have this two, two clicks in that clubhouse, you got to make a choice. And you're always going to choose the younger player who, who has the longer term contract. So you have to find a way to make a move that you know is a rip the band aid off move. That's why, that's why you do this, Don. You don't do this to get better as a team, talent wise. You do this to get your organization out of whatever this issue is that is clearly keeping this team from being unified, keeping them from moving forward and building off of a foundation. Don't you agree?

[Rosenberg]

We can debate that.

[Peter]

Otherwise you just always have this awkwardness and uncomfortable but place.

[Rosenberg]

We're having legitimate conversations on whether David Stearns deserves to have a job. And now I'm gonna have him trade one tradable piece. Apparently they can make this team better. Yeah, that's different because, yeah, sometimes addition by subtraction. I want to get something back. Allen, the one thing that I took from that podcast, you. We both listen to it. Cohen saying he doesn't like his farm system. In the first press conference Cohen had was, I want to improve the farm system. The farm system is not there. If they're going to trade Lindor and they're going to get a bunch of prospects, great. But am I sure that this is the guy I want to make that kind of a deal or do I want to wait until the off season when I get all my ducks in a row and then have him make the deal instead of just trying to hurry and make a deal before the deadline just for the sake of moving a piece? As you said, just addition by subtraction. I need to get better. I need to have a better roster. And if you're going to tell me that eventually I'm going to get better, never mind the room, I'm actually talking about the roster, then I want that piece that I could move. Help this team move forward from a better roster.

[Peter]

You don't want the guy with a contract like that. You're not.

[Rosenberg]

But if I'm going to eat because that's what Cohen can do. That's the benefit of Cohen.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

But then I don't know how much that could hurt in a different world after the lockout. But still in real time is, hey, I can do what I did a few years ago with Verlander and eat the money. And I did it with Scherzer too. And then. And then we'll be. Cause then you can get a lot back for Lindor. If I'm not having to take on his entire salary. If I'm going to take on his entire salary, I'm not going to give you anything.

[Peter]

That's true too.

[Rosenberg]

But right now I want to. If I'm going to move this guy, I want to replenish my minor league. I want to be able to start getting some young players. They're going to make this team better someday, not try. I don't care about what the. Honestly right now. I don't care about how everybody gets along because I want most of these guys gone anyway.

[Peter]

There you go, Right? This is. I don't think this is something you're doing, July. You're not doing this now. This is an off season thing. But they do have to come to a point where they decide, but what a.

[Alan]

But a what? A friggin botch. This whole thing, total botch. I mean, because it. And specifically you can pick which botch you think is worse. Was the Lindor contract botch or was going out to get Soto the botch. Because I really felt like guys that Soto could have been. I'm not saying he's not Soto. Lindor is not Soto. We know that from a talent standpoint. But he is a kind of like, forever kind of player who could be at the centerpiece of a team. You know, last year, before the season started, he put out that commercial in Queens where he's playing baseball with the kids. Like, it really felt like he was like, I'm here to be a Met. And then you went out and got this other piece, and it's one plus one equals sh. You know what. One plus one equal day SS that's what happened.

[Peter]

That's the. Be careful what you wish. And that's what the Mets did with the money, because it was. We were waiting for. You were waiting for Cohen to swing it and get the guy. And attempts at different people never worked. But the Soto one worked. And they. You talk about they. They spread out whatever he wanted. They gave him carte blanche. They sold out to get Juan Soto. That was their victory. And now you look back and you go, as great as Juan Soto is, was that really the best move for the Mets and who they were and where they were as a franchise?

[Rosenberg]

But the answer, Peter's.

[Alan]

Oh, by the way, what. What a moment in time.

[Peter]

You guys remember this moment in time?

[Rosenberg]

Woody Johnson.

[Alan]

Woody Johnson wearing. Was it Sauce Gardner's chain?

[Peter]

They gave him a chain Woody chant

[Alan]

that turned out good.

[Rosenberg]

So it worked out at the end. It was. It's never a bad idea to get one of the best players in baseball.

[Peter]

No, I.

[Alan]

But in theory.

[Rosenberg]

But the issue was that you were not structured properly to handle it. That's on you. You should always try to get the best personnel. So getting Juan Soto was not a mistake. You got a mistake was not having the structure to handle him.

[Peter]

It's how you got him to Don, though. It's how you got.

[Rosenberg]

But if you. If you're strong, we talked about there's a. He's not the first professional athlete to get preferential treatment. But if you've got a room that can handle it, if you've got leadership that can handle it, shouldn't be a problem. But if you just throw him in there and just ask your players to adjust with no leadership, no direction, no manager, then it's not going to work.

[Alan]

But, but, but that, to me, is what part of the issue is. So you can say you should always go get the best player available, but if you know what your room is and you hope you're trying to build to a place you have to know, hey, this piece would be really neat.

[Peter]

It's.

[Alan]

It's not that different for what we talked about with LeBron. Hey, LeBron could really add to this team. Yeah, but chemistry wise, it's going to change everything. Not what we need. Hey, Soto's one of the best talents in all of baseball, Right. There's probably a lesser player we could get or two or who would fit with the guy we already have spending the next decade here. Let's do what makes sense. We don't need to go, please people on Twitter. We need to do what makes sense for our room. And they got that completely wrong. And now they have to start over.

[Peter]

This is that, you know, be careful what you wish for. You did win the day, but was it really the best move for you because of what it's done since? And it's not Soto's fault. It's the Mets not knowing what they were.

[Rosenberg]

To me, it's everything that's happened. Like, no captain. Why not a captain? You know what? I'm going to make Lindor the captain. Juan, get over it. You're here. We gave you the suite. Go play ball.

[Peter]

Couldn't do that because you remember, he also has his out.

[Rosenberg]

Well, then you take your backbone. You just can't completely bend over.

[Peter]

I don't know. They had to because of who they were and where they were.

[Rosenberg]

No, well, see, that's where I think a winning organization, losing organization.

[Peter]

There you go.

[Rosenberg]

Right?

[Peter]

How you can trust the owner.

[Rosenberg]

But, you know, we talked about Bill Parcells giving lt, you know, looking the other way, but the Giants still won. And he was able to handle it because he was a strong enough person to be able to. And the room was strong enough to say, hey, this guy's good. And he delivered, you know, So I just. I think there are ways. Just because you give doesn't mean you have to keep giving, giving, giving. You can draw a line at some point, just like having kids. All right, I'm going to let you have the tablet. I'm going to let you have some candy before, but because I do, that doesn't mean that now you got carte blanche. You could do whatever the hell you want. At some point, I've got to draw the line. And not drawing the lines on them. A ballplayer is going to take advantage of whatever he can get. Give him an inch, he's going to take a mile. Don't give him that mile. Or even, don't even give him that inch.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

You just made the list, buddy.

[Don Hahn]

This is the list with Don, Han, and Rosenberg brought to you by the Allure Group.

[Rosenberg]

That's right. The Allure Group is nice enough to sponsor the top five. I'm not going to put this in any necessary order, but these are the five. The top five. You ready?

[Alan]

Oh, I'm locked in. Here we go.

[Rosenberg]

Actors that you know them by their character and not their name. So they're typecast so much that if you saw them in the street, you'd wreck them. Recognize them by the character's name and not their own.

[Peter]

You would yell the character's name.

[Alan]

Shooter McGavin.

[Peter]

Well, that's pretty.

[Rosenberg]

That's a very good one.

[Peter]

Very good.

[Rosenberg]

But I. I'm not taking any of the five.

[Alan]

All right, all right, all right.

[Rosenberg]

Because he. He was established.

[Alan]

Remember, I got a drop from him for the anniversary.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan]

Because we did the tiger commercial together.

[Peter]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, it's gonna bother me.

[Alan]

And he hangs out here. He lives in the city. What's his name again, guys? What?

[Peter]

Shooter's name.

[Chat Participant]

Christopher.

[Alan]

Christopher McDonald. And he. He's been nominated maybe one won now Emmys with hacks. He's fantastic on the show.

[Commercial Announcer]

Hacks.

[Alan]

All right, all right. So not move the paper.

[Rosenberg]

I. I don't trust you.

[Peter]

I'm looking this way.

[Rosenberg]

I think you guys really want to do this. No, I've got a ton of honorable mentions.

[Alan]

Hold on.

[Peter]

Easy does it.

[Alan]

So who's up for y'?

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[Alan]

Let you go.

[Peter]

Actors only know a character.

[Alan]

You go, that's the character.

[Peter]

That's that guy.

[Rosenberg]

And I. And I would venture to say of the five that I have here. Here, you may not necessarily know their actual names, their real name.

[Alan]

I'm gonna just throw out a lot of them because I think this is like a tough.

[Peter]

Like, are we talking about the last 50 years of everything?

[Rosenberg]

The reason I didn't put them in any order because I. I think all work. It's just a matter. I think these five work the most.

[Alan]

And I. I'm recognizing. I'm gonna throw some out that are not gonna be on there, but they're still fun ones to add to the conversation. How about Earnest?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, wow, that's a good one. I just don't think he was. People will be like, oh, that guy from the commercial. Like, I don't know if Ernest jumps to Pee Wee Herman enough, but I

[Alan]

do know his name, by the way. It's Jim Varney, I believe. Right.

[Rosenberg]

Paul Rubin. Yeah.

[Alan]

That is very good. But Peewee was.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, I would go, hey, there's Peewee.

[Alan]

Oh, no.

[Rosenberg]

He's getting yelled back. That I have because I very quickly came out with Paul Rubin.

[Alan]

Right. You're saying with these. With. Going to go, oh, my God, the character's so big.

[Peter]

Yeah. Oh, it's a big.

[Rosenberg]

I've tested these. I don't think anybody got the actual actor's name on any of the ones that I have.

[Peter]

I just want to hear it.

[Alan]

Do you just want to hear it?

[Peter]

I just want to hear it.

[Don Hahn]

I know, but I.

[Alan]

But I'm having. No, we got plenty. It's early in the segment. It's summer. Yeah. We'll spend 10 minutes guessing. I want to ask a couple hints.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

How many from TV? How many from film?

[Rosenberg]

I would say the 1, 2, 3, 4 from TV, 1 from film.

[Alan]

Poly walnuts.

[Rosenberg]

That's a good. Another good. But I just don't know if the character is. Again, I'm not taking any of these five out.

[Alan]

You said four from tv, one from film or four from film. One from, four from tv, one, one for. Oh, okay.

[Rosenberg]

Let me start thinking my honorable mentions. They're. They're all tv. They're one, one movie and three tv. Okay, so t. TV is where it's at. Doesn't you make it in a movie, Alan?

[Alan]

That changes a lot. I was thinking really movie.

[Peter]

I was thinking tv.

[Alan]

Oh, you were thinking tv.

[Peter]

I'm trying to go back to some of the sitcoms and the dramas and all that stuff where the character was huge and you don't even remember what the character was.

[Alan]

My final hint I'll be asking for. Just give me eras, please.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

70s.

[Alan]

That's a struggle for me.

[Rosenberg]

Early 2000s, early 2000. 80s, 80s, 80s, early 90s, late 80s. And the other one, you know, mid to late 80s. I gotta tell you, when we test tried this thing, people were firing really rapid fire. Stuff.

[Chat Participant]

This is a way to say he's disappointed.

[Peter]

That's a good point.

[Alan]

I've thrown out a few at least already.

[Rosenberg]

Alan's done, but you're not hitting it.

[Peter]

You're getting there.

[Rosenberg]

You know what the problem with Alan is? He wants to go five for five, right?

[Peter]

Come on.

[Rosenberg]

No, just fire away, man.

[Peter]

I'm overthinking thinking.

[Rosenberg]

So think about iconic, because I have

[Peter]

names, but I know they're not big enough.

[Rosenberg]

You got to think about big time tv.

[Peter]

I know.

[Alan]

Big time.

[Peter]

Anything but big time tv.

[Alan]

You feel like you know who the actors are, right? Like 80s.

[Rosenberg]

I gotta tell you, the one that I would put at number one, I. Honorable mention.

[Alan]

There you go. We finally got an honorable mention.

[Peter]

But I just got that.

[Alan]

But a lot of everybody was in

[Chat Participant]

the Dallas chat has some that are close. Oh, I don't want some honorable mentions, okay.

[Alan]

Oh, they do. They do.

[Rosenberg]

One was an iconic television show. He's an iconic character.

[Alan]

MacGyver.

[Peter]

Oh, wow, that's a good.

[Alan]

I mean, that's pretty big. Everybody references if someone.

[Peter]

That's good.

[Rosenberg]

Who are you taking? I don't know yet.

[Alan]

I don't know.

[Peter]

Here's. See again, these are massive characters.

[Rosenberg]

This is an iconic character, and I bet you wouldn't know his actual name.

[Alan]

It's an iconic character and we won't know his real name.

[Peter]

Are they main characters?

[Chat Participant]

You see the person on the street and you don't go, that's John Smith.

[Rosenberg]

That you will recognize every one of these people.

[Alan]

But how many of them will we know the actual actor's name? You're just saying.

[Rosenberg]

I said there's a very good chance you won't know any.

[Alan]

Any of them.

[Rosenberg]

Maybe one.

[Alan]

So that would take out, like, Archie Bunker, for example.

[Rosenberg]

No, it wouldn't.

[Peter]

No, no.

[Alan]

Oh, really?

[Peter]

Carol o'.

[Don Hahn]

Connor.

[Alan]

But he's known Carol o'.

[Don Hahn]

Connor.

[Rosenberg]

When I was talking to people, nobody knew, so.

[Alan]

So Archie Bunker.

[Rosenberg]

Archie Bunker.

[Alan]

All right.

[Rosenberg]

When people saw him, they'd be like, archie Bunker.

[Alan]

I think Don's right.

[Peter]

That's fair.

[Alan]

Forgetting even in that moment, Carol o' Connor's name. But I knew I knew his name

[Peter]

because when you saw he of the night, you're like, oh, Archie Bunker's on here.

[Rosenberg]

I know, but if you saw him in the street, you're gonna go, there's Archie Bunker.

[Peter]

All right, fair enough. All right, fair enough. Now. Now we know what we're doing now. Now we're into.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Peter]

So it.

[Alan]

Are you gonna. Are you gonna. Are you gonna throw George Jefferson in there too?

[Peter]

No way.

[Alan]

No, I mean, listen, Sherman is not really George Jefferson.

[Rosenberg]

Again, we can get to the.

[Alan]

With all respect to Amen, It's. It's really all about the Jefferson.

[Rosenberg]

I know.

[Alan]

And by the way, Amen. Underrated show. All right, so. So.

[Rosenberg]

But we're hitting the judge on Amen, right?

[Alan]

No, he was a preacher. The preacher.

[Rosenberg]

He was a judge in something else, too.

[Alan]

I thought he was a judge in something else. Comedic, right? Yeah, he was a very good actor.

[Rosenberg]

Very funny.

[Alan]

All right, so we're. So we're. Now we're in the kind of zone here. We're thinking big name part.

[Peter]

Yeah, I can't think of either name is that bad, I don't think.

[Rosenberg]

But two of the shows I don't think were very good, but for some reason, the. The characters are very iconic.

[Peter]

Very iconic. See, that's what makes me hesitate.

[Rosenberg]

I'm thinking whatever reason, the name that's. You're gonna scream their name again and not know their real name. You're pretty good with the names, now that I think about it.

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[Alan]

But you're saying the average person.

[Rosenberg]

The average person we test drove.

[Alan]

And these people are. These people are very average. You're talking about me, for God's sake.

[Rosenberg]

I need you to guess something.

[Peter]

I gave you J.R. ewing.

[Alan]

You got an honorable mention there.

[Rosenberg]

That's an honor.

[Alan]

So real quick, Archie was. You said the only 170s, right?

[Rosenberg]

That's it. That's.

[Alan]

That was it. So we're into the 80s now. Give me Webster.

[Rosenberg]

That's good.

[Alan]

But people know Emanuel Lewis.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Especially his relationship with. With Michael J.

[Alan]

That. Yeah, it made him big. Early 80s or late 80s?

[Rosenberg]

I'm going to say maybe late 80s for both.

[Alan]

Late 80s for both.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Both shows that you. I'm sure you watched, and you know the characters and we know the characters, and they can't. One of them's no longer with us.

[Alan]

One of them's no longer with us.

[Rosenberg]

He's dead.

[Alan]

Am I going to be kicking myself big time here?

[Rosenberg]

I think. Don't get caught again. Iconic is strong.

[Chat Participant]

Chat's got one nailed.

[Alan]

They do.

[Rosenberg]

It's not all in the Family Iconic, but it's a. It was a big show. You know, the character. And they're only. Every. They've been referred to in. One of these characters was referred to in a movie. When they saw him in the movie, they called him by his character's name.

[Alan]

Oh, Screech.

[Peter]

Screech from Maid.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

My favorite scene in Maid.

[Rosenberg]

Dustin diamond, no longer with us, but if you saw him in the street.

[Alan]

Screech.

[Peter]

Screech, Screech. That's a good one.

[Alan]

That. That's a good one. Now, listen, I wouldn't put that as

[Peter]

iconic, but I would.

[Alan]

I would argue that some of the ones we've mentioned, I'd maybe put ahead.

[Peter]

But Screech is in the comments. Screech is there. Screech is Generation Girl.

[Rosenberg]

Did you know he's Dustin Diamond?

[Peter]

By the bell?

[Alan]

I. In that moment, I feel like I could have forgotten, but I know that. Dustin Diamond.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Screech. Yeah.

[Alan]

Remember we had to do.

[Peter]

If we had to do a, like, match. Oh, yeah, the character.

[Alan]

Remember. Remember when there used to be the stupid rumor that he was like, the brother of Mike D from the Beastie Boys?

[Rosenberg]

That's a.

[Peter]

There you go.

[Alan]

But it's. They are not related. Okay, okay.

[Peter]

So that's the one from the late 80s, early 90s.

[Alan]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Peter]

We got a couple of. A little older, couple of 80s, kind

[Rosenberg]

of a similar character in Goofy. A goofy Urkel. Absolute great. That's it. That's a good one. I got Urkel.

[Alan]

Now we're having a conversation.

[Rosenberg]

You know Urkel's name?

[Alan]

Yes. Jaleel White.

[Rosenberg]

There you go, Urkel.

[Alan]

But you're not yelling out Jalil White.

[Peter]

People are yelling Urkel.

[Rosenberg]

You're yelling the rest of his life.

[Alan]

Oh, my God. He's a big deal. And people do know his name, but for the same. Did he consider Carlton?

[Peter]

Yeah, I threw that out.

[Rosenberg]

But then I thought he. He's really made a name for himself with the America's Funniest Home Video.

[Alan]

And he was on Silver Spoons. I mean, he's a Michael Jackson commercial. He did a lot of stuff.

[Rosenberg]

There could be people that recognize him for something other than Fresh Prince, for sure. But I don't think any of these guys are being recognized. Like, heated. Tonight was a huge movie. Sidney Poitiers. It's Archie Bunker.

[Peter]

Like, I think he was in the TV vehicle.

[Alan]

Yeah, he was the TV vehicle in the Heat of the night. Right?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan]

Okay. Okay.

[Rosenberg]

So, yeah. Who is the one that. In the actual movie.

[Peter]

I don't remember the actor's name, but they looked alike.

[Alan]

So what's left? What are they? What are the ranges of what's left?

[Peter]

He said, what?

[Rosenberg]

One is a movie in the mid-80s.

[Peter]

Oh, a movie.

[Rosenberg]

And one is a TV show from around the same time.

[Alan]

Oh, wow.

[Rosenberg]

Big show.

[Chat Participant]

Now, Peter, I said. And this was. I think it's an honorable mention for Don. I said, Jon Snow.

[Alan]

I absolutely Adore that. As it. For people of our age who, like, love that show in that age range, I should say, because you and I are quite.

[Chat Participant]

Because I think that's fair.

[Alan]

Oh, no, I saw him. He was at Jalen Brunson's party. Hit the Drop. He was at Jalen Brunson's party.

[Don Hahn]

And.

[Alan]

And.

[Rosenberg]

And.

[Alan]

And my friend Skyler, who's also an actor, goes me, Jon Snow. And I went, oh, my God.

[Rosenberg]

Well, there's an in the wild moment right there.

[Alan]

What's Jon Snow's real name again?

[Peter]

Kith Harrington.

[Don Hahn]

But, you know.

[Alan]

But Kit Harrington is a big name, but Jon Snow.

[Rosenberg]

That's what I'm saying. Like, there's.

[Alan]

There's.

[Rosenberg]

There's a lot of them. And it really depends on your age. It depends on the things that you like. So this is more just a fun thing than, like, I'll still get yelled at on social media.

[Alan]

Media. How did you forget mid-80s. Big show.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Oh, give me Punky Brewster.

[Rosenberg]

What was her name again?

[Alan]

So, Leo Moon Fry. But you don't remember.

[Chat Participant]

It's another.

[Alan]

My list could be as good as

[Rosenberg]

yours, but I don't know if anybody's gonna.

[Alan]

What do you think about Punky Brewster?

[Peter]

That's generational.

[Rosenberg]

That's generational. And a lot of people would just be like, she's hot.

[Alan]

And by. Yeah. By the way, I have a. I have a friend who hooked up with her in Prime. Punky Bruce. Yeah.

[Chat Participant]

Nice.

[Alan]

And when I say prime Punky Brewster, I don't.

[Peter]

You don't mean

[Alan]

that Clear. I mean. No. Yeah. I mean, when she was an adult.

[Rosenberg]

Adult Prime. Because she was.

[Alan]

There was a lot going on there.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, a whole lot. Yep.

[Alan]

Michael K's dream, I believe.

[Peter]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

All right, we're running out of time here.

[Alan]

Okay, okay. Mid-80s. It's not. It's not. It's not from years.

[Peter]

No. No movies.

[Alan]

No. We have a TV show, too.

[Rosenberg]

No, you already got it. We got Urkel. You got Screech. Oh, no, no. The TV show is from.

[Alan]

You said mid-80s.

[Rosenberg]

Also 20. No, no, two. 2005. Six. 10.

[Peter]

Like the movie you said is 80.

[Rosenberg]

It was. All right, I'll give you a hint. It's a TV show. And then they did a movie.

[Alan]

How about Doc Brown?

[Rosenberg]

No, he's. Come on. He was in Taxi, for God's sake.

[Alan]

I know to a certain generation, though, he's just Doctor.

[Rosenberg]

I know.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

But. Yeah, yeah, listen, we're out.

[Alan]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

We're up.

[Alan]

All right, tell us now.

[Rosenberg]

Crocodile Dundee, Paul Hogan. That's the movie.

[Alan]

You know what? It's.

[Peter]

It's.

[Alan]

It's a great call because it's an iconic character, and he did a bunch of.

[Peter]

Right now.

[Rosenberg]

That's enough now. And the other one, too. I mean, we all watched it, but I. It's the epitome. It's.

[Peter]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

It's why you even think of doing a list. Vinnie Chase. You know what, what's his name?

[Alan]

Adrian Grenier.

[Peter]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Can you. That's. That's it. It's Vinnie. He'll be Vinny Chase forever.

[Alan]

He's Vinny Chase forever. And now he's barely Vinny.

[Rosenberg]

Jazz. Wait.

[Alan]

It's all because you just don't like.

[Rosenberg]

You know, Peter's really good with you. Remember? I probably. If you made it multiple choice, I would have said Grenier, but I. I don't know if it would have. I. I would have somebody.

[Peter]

I would have had to do the matching matter.

[Rosenberg]

Matter of fact, it's so deep, I might actually say Vinny Chase, thinking that was his real name. Forgetting the character on Entourage, like, Vinny Chase is all I remember, which is

[Alan]

ironic because in the thing, he is also an actor. All right, what are the other honorable mentions?

[Rosenberg]

The honorable mentions? I got Daniel Radcliffe.

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Cliff.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't. I wouldn't go there, but I think some people, if they saw the late James Gandolfini, might say Tony Soprano.

[Peter]

I wouldn't.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Peter]

But there are.

[Rosenberg]

Because I love True Romance. And he's been.

[Peter]

But. Yeah, but that's his. He's known as that. And there'll be a lot of people that would have just yelled Tony Soprano for sure.

[Rosenberg]

This one. This one could have made the list, too.

[Alan]

I'm getting to a bike accident.

[Peter]

Keep going.

[Alan]

Damn.

[Rosenberg]

Michael Richards.

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Kramer.

[Peter]

Kramer.

[Alan]

Yeah. I mean, like, to me, he got so famous that.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

You do.

[Alan]

Yeah, but there are people yelling Kramer.

[Rosenberg]

And I think this guy got too famous. He's been in a bunch of movies that we like, too, but Henry Winkler, the fonts. There was a time where if you ran into him in 1980, you're screaming the font.

[Peter]

There was a time, but now with

[Rosenberg]

Waterboy and Clay, a lot of stuff. He's done a lot of. So I did. I just left him as an honor.

[Alan]

He's had a huge run the last couple of years with the show on.

[Peter]

That's like. That's like. What would. Gidget. That would have been Gidget. If you stopped in the 70s. Right?

[Alan]

Who's Gidget again?

[Peter]

Sally Field.

[Alan]

Sally Field.

[Rosenberg]

But huge. But Sally Field.

[Peter]

Beyond that big after that.

[Rosenberg]

So again, this is all preference. It all depends on when you grew up to. And I want to thank John Winthrop, our pinhead suit. He came up with this.

[Alan]

Okay, what was the impetus?

[Rosenberg]

He thought it would be a good idea.

[Don Hahn]

Why?

[Alan]

There's no.

[Rosenberg]

Well, we'll get to talk to him. You don't want to give him a mic? It's not the morning. Archie Bunker, Carol o' Connor on the list. Vinnie Chase, Adrian Grenier. Grenier, I don't know. Crocodile Dundee, Paul Hogan, Screech. Dustin diamond and Urkel. Janelle White.

[Alan]

Jalil White.

[Rosenberg]

Jaleel White.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Chat Participant]

He's a man.

[Rosenberg]

And that's what I got.

[Alan]

You know, Jake makes a good point that up until recently in this Knicks run, you could say Olivia Benson, AKA Mariska Hargitay. She's become very big. But I feel like up until recently you would have said that's Olivia Benson.

[Rosenberg]

Now listen, I don't think you said who's that? I don't think there's any wrong answers. But that's hell of a lot. Those are my hell of a lot. I thought you thought you'd get excited.

[Alan]

You did the work.

[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

Jake Aspen joined up. He said he joined late so he missed the. The Michael Richards. He threw that out. And Stifler's mom, but I don't know. There's been so much since American Pie that she's done. What's her like, Coolidge's.

[Peter]

Jennifer Coolidge.

[Alan]

Jennifer Coolidge.

[Rosenberg]

She's in the Discover commercials now.

[Peter]

Like it took Winthrop about 10 minutes though to remember her name. But he does lead to. That's how you know her as.

[Rosenberg]

Right. So I think this works on so many different levels because depends on what age you are. And I got to give Peter a lot of credit. He knew a lot of the actors names, but a lot of people aren't going to get some of those names, so. But it's like what you watched where you grew up with and. And all that, but good job.

[Peter]

Can you think about a list for next week because of the analogy we made about the Yankees and think about bands who change their style.

[Rosenberg]

I get two weeks to work on it because I'm on vacation.

[Don Hahn]

Damn it.

[Peter]

You can't call in.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I guess I can.

[Peter]

You can email it. We have to do a list Wednesday.

[Rosenberg]

Well, you guys are more than capable. You're very talented individuals. Very creative mind.

[Alan]

I love a good list. I love coming up.

[Peter]

I guess. I guess Peter's doing a list on one.

[Alan]

I'll do a list.

[Peter]

All right.

[Alan]

Next Wednesday. Now. Now I'm just trying to decide whether. I think if I wanted to argue harder for any of the ones that I guessed that replacing some on the list. But now, I don't know.

[Peter]

You had a guess. You had a good one out of the gate. That was the MacGyver. Come on. That guy could be walking anywhere.

[Alan]

MacGyver's. He's right there with Crocodile Dundee in terms of, like, kind of iconic, but not, like, quite. You know what I mean?

[Peter]

But everybody. Nobody References Crocodile Dundee. MacGyver is referenced in everyday life.

[Alan]

It really is. I mean, There was an SNL skit, MacGruber, that led to a movie.

[Rosenberg]

Really good, honestly. And maybe I'm wrong. Would he be as recognizable walking down the street? He didn't wear a big hat, but you know what I'm saying? Like, the hat is no MacGyver. You're right. It became part of, like, whenever somebody Jimmy switches something, you're MacGyvering it. But do you. Would you recognize the people walking down the street?

[Peter]

But if you were wearing one of those, you know, Australian cowboy hats and had, like, a big old knife, somebody call you. Oh, Crocodile Dundee, huh? Yeah, right. You know, that'd be the first place, I think.

[Rosenberg]

Paul Hogan, though, like, those. I'm. I'm older than you guys. Al and I are local. Those movies were cute.

[Peter]

Yeah. Yeah. Massive.

[Rosenberg]

And everybody all of a sudden wanted to go to Australia and, like, Outback Steakhouse. Like, I. I don't know the origin story of Outback Steakhouse, but if you told me it's here because.

[Peter]

Because so popular that we had to make a theme restaurant.

[Alan]

Had to.

[Peter]

And the Blooming Onion was born.

[Rosenberg]

It was on the other day. It's still funny.

[Peter]

It had moments.

[Rosenberg]

I. You know, I don't.

[Peter]

I mean, when you look at how little he is, it kind of does get comical after a while, like. But you're not. You're not beating up anybody.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Peter]

Make sure that knife.

[Rosenberg]

Well, Sylvester Stallone is not exactly talented. At least he's jacked, though. Well, I'm sure there's several reasons. Well, yeah, but what I love. I was telling Nancy it was on, and we watched, like, a half hour of it.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I love to watch old movies set in New York.

[Peter]

Me, too.

[Rosenberg]

And seeing. Me too, like, you start to recognize things and how it looked in the 80s, like New York. Manhattan in 86 was a completely different world than Manhattan 40 years later.

[Peter]

So true.

[Rosenberg]

Like, the. The signs are different, but you can. You could instantly tell, all right, they're in Times Square. Oh. You could tell that they're, you know, near the Garden. It's.

[Peter]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

It's really cool. Especially like, old ones, like when you watch tootsie from, like, 82. That's set in New York.

[Peter]

Done.

[Rosenberg]

You won't believe Midnight Cowboy.

[Peter]

That's a good. You won't believe what's going on. Outback SteakHouse, founded on March 15, 1988, in Tampa, Florida.

[Alan]

Here we go.

[Peter]

By four hospitality veterans. Capitalizing on the pop culture wave of the 1986 film Crocodile.

[Rosenberg]

It's true.

[Peter]

The founders adopted an Australian theme despite never having visited the country.

[Rosenberg]

Wow. So that. That's pretty iconic. It started a steakhouse chain. It's still. That's still around, by the way.

[Alan]

I can't believe he nailed that.

[Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Peter]

They never have been to Australia, and they just did all this cliche Australia stuff.

[Alan]

Some more. Some more good ones from the chat. And again, some of them are going to be younger than you guys or even me in some cases, but Topanga is. That's a iconic one for a generation of people.

[Peter]

Who's that?

[Alan]

See?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Look her up. She was very.

[Rosenberg]

I know the name she was in. Don't. Is a Boy Meets World or whatever. Yeah. Thank you.

[Alan]

For you.

[Peter]

Oh, they did a. They did a Girl Meets World recently that was supposed to be with. She's the mom now.

[Alan]

Oh, really?

[Peter]

Isn't that. Because I remember Callie watched something like that.

[Alan]

I don't know.

[Peter]

It wasn't boy Meet.

[Alan]

She's a huge wrestling fan, though. So I see her.

[Rosenberg]

She's around.

[Chat Participant]

Yeah.

[Peter]

She's on the new reboot. There's a reboot, Right? Okay. So I'm right.

[Alan]

But, yeah, Topanga is a big one.

[Peter]

There you go. I thought that was a city.

[Alan]

I know we're going to argue because he's the head of our great union, but someone said Rudy, and it's fair.

[Peter]

He's been in a lot of other.

[Rosenberg]

He's been in a ton of stuff.

[Alan]

All these people have been in other stuff. It's just did the one thing. Tower.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, although he was Goonies. Wasn't he Goonies? I think he's doing a tremendous job as the head of Our union. I think he's a fabulous actor. Okay.

[Alan]

Sure he is.

[Rosenberg]

You wouldn't shout out Rudy?

[Peter]

I don't think.

[Rosenberg]

It just wouldn't apply.

[Peter]

Not now.

[Rosenberg]

Not now.

[Peter]

V looked at him.

[Alan]

Oh, he doesn't give.

[Peter]

Rudy doesn't give.

[Rosenberg]

No, he does not give.

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Rudy.

[Peter]

No. He was just Kelly Kapowski.

[Alan]

Stranger thing from Saved by the Bell.

[Peter]

Oh, that's Rick's favorite.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, really, she's an icon.

[Peter]

Rico loves her.

[Rosenberg]

Or did well because he's got eyes.

[Peter]

Yeah, I mean, that was his.

[Rosenberg]

She's like 52 years. Phenomenal.

[Alan]

You've seen Kelly Kapowski? I haven't seen her in years.

[Rosenberg]

Something on Twitter. What was the. The other guy, the blonde ended up in NYPD Blue. The main guy.

[Peter]

Zach.

[Rosenberg]

Zach.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

There was, like, a picture of them then, and then there's a picture of them now. By the way, Zach, we.

[Alan]

John Paul or Mark Paul Gosler. Mark.

[Peter]

Did I get that right?

[Alan]

Something like that.

[Rosenberg]

But you're still. I can't have two from the same show. Screech is still bigger than Zach. You might say, hey, that's the guy from Saved by the Bell. I don't know if you screech, but Screech.

[Peter]

When you saw him, you went screech.

[Alan]

True, but Zack Morris is still a thing.

[Rosenberg]

But that's what you. I pulled this. Peter gets mad when I repeat stories. We worked for 11 years, so you're repeat. I got a chart.

[Alan]

But I. Mr. Belvedere is a great.

[Rosenberg]

That's a good one, too.

[Peter]

That's very good.

[Rosenberg]

But I said the writing on NYPD Blue was so good that they said, listen, I'm going to make it number one. Get the kid from Silver Spoons, we'll still be number one. And then he leaves. Get. The kid from Saved by the Bell will still be number. They were. It didn't matter. Didn't matter who they put in there. It still was a great show. It was all about the writing and not who was in it.

[Alan]

That's a really interesting point.

[Rosenberg]

I don't remember you saying didn't reek of. And who was that? What was the guy from, say, by Silver Spoons? Ricky Schroeder. Yeah. Big name.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

But, you know, shouting the kid from Saved by the kid from Silver Spoons doesn't work. You got to throw out the carrot, by the way.

[Alan]

People are embarrassing themselves.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, here we go.

[Alan]

I've got multiple people in our chat yelling out, debo, Debo. Debo from Friday is Zeus, bro. That's Zeus. He was the wrestler Zeus. First he had an entire storyline in WWE and had and main evented with Hulk Hogan, bro.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's right.

[Alan]

And had a movie. Then he was Debo.

[Peter]

But it also in comparison.

[Alan]

No, it was big, but his name was Tiny Zeus Lister because it was pretty big.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don, Hulk, Don and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan]

I don't want to know how the

[Peter]

sausage is made, man. I just want to know.

[Don Hahn]

It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.