Hour 2: Tush Push Drama

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Episode: Hour 2: Tush Push Drama

Release Date: April 1, 2025

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Introduction

In the second hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, hosts Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the ongoing controversy surrounding the "tush push" play in the NFL. This episode provides a comprehensive analysis of the play's effectiveness, its impact on the game, and the potential rule changes being considered by NFL owners. Additionally, the hosts engage with listener calls, offering diverse perspectives on the matter and touching upon other sports topics.

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The Tush Push Controversy

Overview of the Tush Push Play

Alan Hahn initiates the discussion by outlining the current status of the tush push play, highlighting its success rate and the debate it has sparked among NFL teams and owners.

• Alan Hahn [00:13]: "The tush push. The Eagles play, of course, short yardage that they were so good at. The Bills are the only other team that really mastered it."

Rule Change Proposals

The Green Bay Packers have proposed banning the tush push, garnering support from 16 NFL teams. However, the proposal falls short of the 24 votes required for approval, leaving the fate of the play undecided until the spring meeting in May.

• Alan Hahn [01:11]: "So they can revisit it when owners get together for their spring meeting in May in Minnesota. So it's not A no. There's 16 right now."

Effectiveness vs. Fairness

Don LaGreca argues that the NFL typically prevails in rule change discussions and posits that the league would likely side against the tush push if convinced of its drawbacks.

• Don LaGreca [01:58]: "It's really, to me, the NFL usually gets their way. So if the NFL wants to change it, I think they'll convince those eight to change."

Peter Rosenberg counters by suggesting that while the Packers spearheaded the ban, broader support from influential owners and networks could sway the decision.

• Peter Rosenberg [03:03]: "The owners are the really. ... The networks might have a say on it, too."

Injury Concerns and Public Perception

The conversation shifts to the potential for injuries resulting from the tush push, with Don emphasizing that physical confrontations should be fair and competitive.

• Don LaGreca [02:54]: "But I think the NFL does look and say is This a play that makes sense... But you don't think the NFL has a dog in the fight?"

Peter highlights statements from NFL’s Chief Medical Officer Dr. Alan Sills regarding injury risks, which officials use to advocate for banning the play preemptively.

• Peter Rosenberg [08:12]: "Dr. Alan Sills, who's the NFL chief medical officer, he did tell the owners this week that the mechanics of the play could lead to injuries."

Arguments for the Tush Push

Don acknowledges the play's high success rate but questions its entertainment value and fairness.

• Don LaGreca [07:54]: "I just don't think that something is that effective and it's not compelling at all."

Peter maintains that the play introduces compelling moments of truth at the line of scrimmage, enhancing viewer engagement.

• Peter Rosenberg [11:26]: "When I say excitement, I'm talking about something compelling. A moment of truth at the line of scrimmage."

Listener Calls and Perspectives

The podcast features dynamic interactions with callers expressing strong opinions about the tush push. One caller criticizes the play's fairness and its impact on the game's integrity, while another discusses the broader implications of rule changes.

• Caller [14:35]: "It's not a fair physical confrontation when you have first and goal at the one that's fair. 11 on 11, I'm going to stop your guy."

Don and Peter respond by reiterating the play's high success rate and debating its necessity versus potential rule modifications.

• Don LaGreca [16:03]: "If I, If I line up for. There's a much. There's a bunch of different plays I can run."

Conclusion of the Tush Push Debate

By the episode's end, the hosts acknowledge the complexity of the issue, balancing the play's effectiveness against its perceived lack of excitement and fairness. They anticipate further discussions and potential rule changes in the upcoming NFL owners' meeting.

• Peter Rosenberg [32:16]: "The owners decide they want it out of the game. Will we get to the 24 that is required to get rid of it and should they? Lots more to get to in the five o'clock hour."

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Additional Sports Discussions

Beyond the tush push debate, the hosts briefly touch upon other sports topics:

Baseball and Torpedo Bats

Alan Hahn revisits the discussion on torpedo bats in baseball, questioning potential future rule changes similar to the NFL's willingness to adjust.

• Alan Hahn [00:13]: "We talked about the torpedo bats in baseball and whether or not baseball will have a problem with it at some point because they never like to have fun."

MLB Updates

Later in the episode, the focus shifts to Major League Baseball, where the hosts discuss the Yankees' starting lineup and provide an injury update on the Mets' pitcher Sean Minaya.

• Peter Rosenberg [25:01]: "Carlos Mendoza: Yeah, no, he's not gonna throw. He experienced some discomfort a couple of days ago... he's going to go two weeks of not throwing."

Other Topics and Listener Engagement

The episode also includes light-hearted segments where the hosts interact with listeners about pop culture references, such as discussing different portrayals of Batman and humorous takes on campus events.

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Closing Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg briefly mention sponsorships and upcoming segments, maintaining the show's engaging and conversational tone.

• Alan Hahn [33:36]: "Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers."

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Notable Quotes

• Alan Hahn [00:13]: "The tush push... It's not A no. There's 16 right now."
• Don LaGreca [01:58]: "The NFL usually gets their way."
• Peter Rosenberg [08:12]: "There is something compelling about this."
• Don LaGreca [07:54]: "I just don't think that something is that effective and it's not compelling at all."
• Peter Rosenberg [11:26]: "A moment of truth at the line of scrimmage."
• Caller [14:35]: "It's not a fair physical confrontation when you have first and goal at the one that's fair."

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Conclusion

In "Hour 2: Tush Push Drama," Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg offer an in-depth exploration of one of the NFL's most debated plays. Through passionate discussions and engaging listener interactions, they shed light on the complexities of evolving sports rules and their implications for the game's integrity and entertainment value. Whether you're a seasoned NFL fan or new to the sport, this episode provides valuable insights into the ongoing tug-of-war between tradition and innovation in American football.

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don LaGreca]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8:80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

4:00 hour. We go with Don Lagreca and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. 800 now 193776. The number for you to be part of the conversation. Lots of calls that we will get to momentarily. Let's catch you up on some other news around the world of sports. So we talked about the torpedo bats in baseball and whether or not baseball will have a problem with it at some point because they never like to have fun. Well, the NFL owners are never hesitant to make rules changes or change things to its game from year to year. They're always willing to experiment with rules changes and they have some. But one thing that was on I think everyone's mind and everyone's conversation going into the owner's meetings was the tush push. The Eagles play, of course, short yardage that they were so good at. The Bills are the only other team that really mastered it. The Green Bay packers created a proposal and they put it on the table to ban it from the sport. Sixteen guys, NFL teams were the ones that supported it. So you need a minimum of 24 votes to approve the change. So they're tabling it right now. They can revisit it when owners get together for their spring meeting in May in Minnesota. So it's not A no. There's 16 right now. So clearly just not enough support for it. Does that tell you that come May this thing's gone? Or do you think that if only 16 now they're gonna have to like spend the next month trying to get eight more owners to be on their side? It doesn't sound like there's that much. Even though there's a lot of noise about banning it, there doesn't seem to be this overwhelming amount of support to ban it from the sport, at least not yet.

[Don LaGreca]

It's really, to me, the NFL usually gets their way. So if the NFL wants to change it, I think they'll convince those eight to change. I mean. Right. It just becomes like what you say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The NFL, you think it's the, like it's the packers that pushed it.

[Don LaGreca]

I understand the packers, but because that's, that's what you need in order to get rule changes. You know, the competition committee, you're going to approach the bench, so to speak, and plead your case and then they all vote on it. But I think the NFL does look and say is This a play that makes sense and they have to come down on some side of it, I'm sure. And if they come down on it, it's a boring play. We think it's way too effective. We've also seen some players on the defense get hurt that if they decide to get involved, which I think they could, they could probably persuade the eight that are on the fence or the eight that are not convinced to. To change their way. You don't think the NFL has a dog in the fight?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, when you say NFL, do you think it's Goodell? Do you think it's like.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, I just think the general consensus of, let's be honest, in the world.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The owners are the. Really.

[Don LaGreca]

We know that there are more. There are some owners that are more powerful than others. And. And I'm. And I'm sure there are other people we're not even thinking of. The networks might have a say on it, too. I mean, the NFL has changed a lot of things for quote, unquote safety, but a lot of it has to do with speeding up the game.

[Guest Speaker]

Why?

[Don LaGreca]

So the networks can get to the 425 window quicker. And also we want more points to be scored because we want to sell more tickets. We want more eyeballs on the screen. So there are people that we're not thinking about, they still can influence it besides the owners. Right. You don't think that if NBC, Disney, Amazon came and said, yeah, we don't really like the tush push. Can you do something about that? That the NFL would just tell them your role?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you think TV wouldn't like this? I mean, there's nothing to like about it.

[Don LaGreca]

It's unattractive.

[Guest Speaker]

I think it's bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But everybody talks about it. Like, are you getting up and leaving the room at that moment? No. It's like Aaron Judge coming to bat. You're not leaving the room?

[Don LaGreca]

No. Come on, man, let's see if they do it.

[Guest Speaker]

Wait, Alan, you've had some. We've all had bad takes. The tush push being like, Aaron Judge, you want to apologize? No. We'll give you the floor.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Guest Speaker]

You could apologize. You could. Aaron Judge and your family.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The. The example of not leaving the room for certain things, like saying like, I'm not. Like, you're compelled to watch certain things. You're going to get up if it's a free throw, right? You leaving the room, it's a free throw. Nobody cares. Right. Even. Even the extra point. A lot of times you'll get up. You're not going to watch the extra point. There's certain things in sports you're not watching.

[Guest Speaker]

That's how I feel about this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The tush push is not one because it's something compelling about it.

[Don LaGreca]

No, it's not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Whether or not, you know, oh, it's an automatic first down. It's still a physical conflict that you are, like, curious to see. Can somebody finally stop this thing?

[Don LaGreca]

No, you don't.

[Guest Speaker]

I really don't feel that way.

[Don LaGreca]

Honestly, I feel like it's such a fait accompli. I mean, obviously I want to clear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want to clear the decks and takes calls on this.

[Don LaGreca]

I wish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I want you to know.

[Guest Speaker]

I'm letting you know right now, Alan, I'm as confident as I've ever been in anything. This is going to go bad for you. No, people are not going to agree with you.

[Don LaGreca]

No, listen. They're boring. Eagle fans love it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Every time this happens, it's always lean forward and say, is something finally. Stop that freaking.

[Guest Speaker]

Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What Frankie Luvo did was almost like that was compelling.

[Guest Speaker]

You're misrepresenting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was rooting for him, of course.

[Guest Speaker]

But you're misrepresenting the numbers. That was the most interesting time it happened all year. Look at how many times it was done successfully between Philadelphia and Buffalo specifically. Normally, guys, it's. They don't even show the highlight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you hate something like that, you.

[Guest Speaker]

Want to see it stop, but it's not stopped enough.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're never walking out of the room. You want to see it stop, but you never finally stop this freaking thing.

[Guest Speaker]

But no one can. So it's not compelling.

[Don LaGreca]

We're talking about a couple of different things here. All right, if it's fourth and one at the 50. Yeah. You're not going to walk away because if it does fail, and it does fail, I think around the league around 25 and you're one and done. Like when Buffalo didn't get it in the championship game, you're going to be compelled to watch. It's a fourth and one, but if it's. If it's first and goal at the one that's not compelling, I'm out. This is supposed to be an exciting moment. Can we. Some of the. Some of the best compelling football is a goal line stand.

[Guest Speaker]

Yep.

[Don LaGreca]

One of my favorite as a Giant fan. Giant fans will remember this. The goal line stand in 89 in Denver where Gary Reasons jumps just the same time as Humphries and they collide right at the goal line. The Giants stop and was in the snow And Mile High great moment was actually on the COVID of the media guy the next year. But if, but in that situation it.

[Guest Speaker]

Would be that play doesn't exist.

[Don LaGreca]

That play because they had to fail the first three times. It's not failing four straight times.

[Guest Speaker]

How about this? The not handing off to be smode the throw that never should have happened in the Super Bowl. That's not even a play decision. There's no conversation. To me, that excitement about are they gonna try to stuff it here or are they gonna play action and try to throw it. That whole compelling thing is dead. It's just, you're gonna pound it.

[Don LaGreca]

Reasons why the NFL got rid of the extra point where it was and moved it back because it was too automatic. And it was. And then people were when after a touchdown they changed the channel. They walk out of the room because it was a fait accompli. They get the extra point. Now it's become very compelling. Cuz it's not automatic anymore. It's still very high. But it's not automatic like it was. And in certain situations, Allen, it's become so automatic. Especially at the goal line when it's first in goal at the one man like that, that used to be like, hey, can we come up with a stop? You're not stopping that four times. You're not doing it on a fourth down. I agree with you, Allen. I think you have me on the. On a general fourth down in the middle of the field where there's a decision, do I punt, do I kick the field goal, do I go for it on fourth down? Because it's just one time to stop it. But at the goal line, first and goal at the one man, it's over, it's done. Just, just get. Give them the touchdown and let's move on.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. And also let me just add this. I think part of the reason it ended up not probably getting the amount that it needed. Did it really look good to do it this year? Coming off the super bowl, it does.

[Don LaGreca]

Come across like it comes off a little.

[Guest Speaker]

It comes off like you're, you're downplaying the champs. So let's see what happens. Yeah, it's hatering. Let's see what happens next next year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

11 touchdowns this season they scored with it. 11. That doesn't sound like a large percentage of the touchdowns. It's 11:32 first downs. Okay, that as well. But let's see. The Eagles have scored 27 touchdowns and recorded 92 total first downs using that over the last three years. Here, here is Nick Sirianni, who is at all these meetings talking with the media about his famous play.

[Nick Sirianni]

I know what the data says, and I know how we coach it. And we don't coach push play any different than we coach a quarterback sneak play. Yeah, again, the injury data says what it says, and we coach it the exact same whether somebody's pushing or whether somebody's not pushing. I always wanted to have players health first and foremost in our mind. And so, you know, you have to trust the doctors and stuff like that on those scenarios. But you always want to do what's best for the players first and foremost.

[Don LaGreca]

There's no, Again, not pushing the tush.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's no injury data that supports, you know, banning it, because obviously, that's the thing that would be the most important if guys are getting hurt. But Dr. Alan Sills, who's the NFL chief medical officer, he did tell the owners this week that the mechanics of the play could lead to injuries. And other sources are telling Tim McManus and others at ESPN that the owners warned their colleagues that a serious injury was just a matter of time. They are obviously using the potential for injury as the reason why they need to stop this before there is an injury to a player. And that's why Sirianni was quickly on defense about, hey, hey, you know, we wouldn't put our players in a position to be injured. We wouldn't do that. So that was his take. He also said this, guys, I don't have this on tape, but he said this. I think it's an exciting play. It was really cool to hear some people talk about it this week and what they think of it, the excitement it brings to the game. I'm not crazy. No, there is something compelling about this.

[Don LaGreca]

Sirianni said, well, look at the other guy that's had that successful way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He said he heard from other people.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's not forget these two. Okay?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's not.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's not lose that.

[Guest Speaker]

Sometimes the answer is tool.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Because we've always thought he was a tool. So let's not forget that. All right, Good coach. I get it. Super bowl champion. I'm not going to knock him for that, but he is a tool, and it's not entertaining, it's not exciting. And. But. But Peter's right. It does come across like Giant fan. I can't do it. My team can't do it. Two players got hurt when the Giants tried to do it because they don't function as an organization. But just as my. As a football fan, I look at that and it just. I just don't like aiding and aiding a runner, a cabal carrier. That's an easy rule of change. I told you from the beginning, if they just attacked it in that way, then it doesn't look like you're a hater. Right? You're just looking at. Why can't we just go back to the old rule where you can't aid the ball carrier, but instead get rid of the Tush Push? Why? Because you're jealous because the Eagles are so good at it. Then it just comes across like you're a hater, and there might be people that vote against it because they don't want to come across that way, where next year, if the Eagles don't win, it doesn't come across like you're a hater. So I do think it's eventually going to go. But please, let's not make it something that's not. There's no excitement to it at all. Stop it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When I say excitement, I'm talking about something compelling. A moment of truth at the line of scrimmage.

[Don LaGreca]

And you're 86% of the time it's successful.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I understand. That's the point, though. 86, that means 14%, right? That means there's still an opportunity to stop it. And you want to see if your team in that moment can do it. That's the whole idea, and that's what makes it compelling. That's why I'm not. I'm not buying in with what you guys are saying about how the. Maybe the networks will influence this. I don't think the networks. Either way. I honestly don't. I think for some of the times, television wise, it is compelling. Build it up, talk about it. It's controversial. That is something that keeps people watching. I don't think this would be anything influenced by the broadcasters. I do think this is something that owners will want to phase out and they will use injury risk as their way out of this.

[Don LaGreca]

And we did see Jones get hurt in the Super Bowl. So I. And I do think that in order to come up with creative ways of stopping it, it can maybe put people not like tj he's got the drop the mic moment because Peter and I can't possibly defend this. He's like, let's be real, though. If the Commanders or The Giants were 80% effective with the Tush Push, all their fans, including Don Lagreque and Peter Rosenberg, would be opposed this side of the argument, 100%. I can't. How am I supposed to argue with that, you know that we're fans, right? But I'm just telling you that just take my fandom out of it, which is something I try to do when I analyze anything. And listen, the Giants aren't even in the same stratosphere as the Eagles. Peters, be better to answer this than me. My team's semi pro, all right? So I don't even really have a dog in a fight because the Giants have chosen to be non competitive over the last couple of years. And the last time they were competitive, it was the Eagles that handed their head back to him on a silver platter. So my team doesn't even exist. But I just look at it and I just say I look at it. It was a rule change. Do not aid the ball carrier. They got rid of that and the Eagles are taking advantage of it. Good. I just don't think that something is that effective and it's not compelling at all. I understand what Allen's trying to do, but can anybody stop it? All right, they could stop it. The Chiefs stopped it against the Bills in the championship game.

[Guest Speaker]

They did, but again, but stop it.

[Don LaGreca]

Four times at the goal line, but.

[Guest Speaker]

They stopped at midfield. Listen, it's a smart argument for someone to make. I don't know, man. Maybe if my team had just won the Super Bowl, I, I wouldn't care if Nick Sirianni was our head coach and we had a puke green jersey and our fans were disgusting idiots. Maybe I wouldn't care about any of it.

[Don LaGreca]

But.

[Guest Speaker]

But, but I don't live in that world. I live in this world. And from my vantage, which is a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very biased point of view.

[Guest Speaker]

But by the way, it is. But so is the view of the Eagle fan. So I'm just saying from my vantage, to me it seems like a stupid play. I think I have the best argument, which is I have a player who said, I don't want our game to end on this tush push. I'm going to try my best to time it each time they snap it. And after he got called offside three times, they said if you do it again, we're rewarding them a touchdown. To me, that says the play is not fair, the play is not working. Then if you have to do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's absurd though that that's what will the result is. Well, you're not allowed to keep trying to stop it. That's absurd.

[Guest Speaker]

But that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To me it should be the same. Okay? They can do this play and I can just keep going offsides because what's the difference if you're moving the ball a half inch every time. I don't care. I'll keep doing it until they decide, okay, we're not going to do this anymore because we'll be here all day.

[Guest Speaker]

But. But it's. But it's funny. But the league said obviously that's not okay. They said they're. They said the tush pushes. So let's change.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you change your rule, Peter, change that rule. If we're going to change your rule, let's grab some calls. 800-919-3776. Mack and Randolph is a highly intelligent human being. Hi, Mac.

[Caller]

Wow, Alan, thanks for saying that. I wanted to you guys talk about Frankie Luba real quick there. I totally disagree with that. I think that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Him just keep going offsides.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It.

[Caller]

What?

[Guest Speaker]

Why was it dumb in any play?

[Caller]

Because the Eagles weren't even running the play yet. You can't, you can't do that for infinity. Any play. Forget the push. Push any play they're doing there.

[Guest Speaker]

But.

[Caller]

But you can't just keep lining up because when you're at the goal line, they can't go any closer.

[Don LaGreca]

So. But hold on.

[Guest Speaker]

But he was doing. He was doing his best. Hear me out, though. He was doing his best to time the jump so he could catch the quarterback before the play happened.

[Caller]

Right? But. But don't. Doesn't every player want to do that? Like, why doesn't every player do that all the time?

[Guest Speaker]

Because you can penalize. There are other ways to stop a play normally. Because when they need one inch and they're able to push the. Unless you jump it, there's no way.

[Don LaGreca]

If I, If I line up for. There's a much. There's a bunch of different plays I can run. And if he times it and they run another play, you've now hurt yourself in defending it. But knowing that was coming, he was trying to time it out perfectly. He wouldn't have done that.

[Caller]

Right?

[Don LaGreca]

But if it was outlawed.

[Caller]

Doesn't ask them. That sounds like such loser talk, though. You're basically saying, well, the other team beat us. We can't beat them.

[Guest Speaker]

No, no, no. It's the exact opposite. The loser talk is you're not allowed to do that or you get awarded points. So all you.

[Caller]

Because of you. Because Peter, because the viewer. I don't want to just keep watching him go, okay?

[Guest Speaker]

And I don't want to see the opposite. I don't want to see when my team's trying to make the Super Bowl. I don't want to see there be an impossible play that we can't stop and we have to give up points.

[Caller]

It's only if the Eagles are the best team at it. Other teams do well.

[Don LaGreca]

They're also the best team at it because they've got the biggest offensive line and it's still successful 76% of the time. Wait a minute. They were the best at it. They were effective 86% of the time. The rest of the league was still effective over 75% of the time. So it is a play that functions way too easily.

[Guest Speaker]

So what that means is if you have four cracks at it from the one, if you have four cracks out of the one, they are scoring every single time.

[Caller]

But real quick, even the 76%, misleading because no one's running that play like third and 20. It's always going to be a high percentage play because it's going to be fourth and extremely short.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. And when it's fourth and short, it's successful 86% of the time. What are you not getting?

[Caller]

But other teams don't run it that often. Why wouldn't they? If it was so successful, why wouldn't they? Because it doesn't work as well.

[Don LaGreca]

No, but they're telling you when it is run, it's successful for 76% of the time around the league.

[Caller]

How successful were normal quarterback QB sneaks? Pretty successful. Other teams don't do that play when it's fourth and short.

[Don LaGreca]

But the teams. But I'm telling you, the teams that I didn't, I didn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're going to keep it moving. Thank you for the call.

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't do the work. But they said the teams that do the tush push are successful 75, 76% of the time. Something like that. The Eagles are effective 86%. So clearly they're the best.

[Guest Speaker]

But it's still.

[Don LaGreca]

It's a play that is effective over 75% of the time.

[Guest Speaker]

And let's keep playing this out. Okay. Is the league that Mack was the caller's name.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Is the league that he wants every team to be running that when they're inside the five, always like we really want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not inside the five, not inside the.

[Guest Speaker]

Five, inside the inside the three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're going to be inside, you're going to be in the one.

[Guest Speaker]

So every time we get down there, that's what people want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How often are you at the one? How often are you at the one?

[Guest Speaker]

I don't know. Every game someone's at the one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sorry. Wait, wait.

[Guest Speaker]

Do we not the Giants. But normal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do we not love offense? Exactly. Do we not love offense, though? And I'm sorry if that's not good offense. That's not the one. And you have a play that you feel is 86 or even 75% accurate. You want to run that play. So that's it.

[Guest Speaker]

So we want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can run it.

[Guest Speaker]

We want three yards and a cloud of dust. That's. That's the. That's basically what it is.

[Don LaGreca]

It's.

[Guest Speaker]

Let's mash into end zone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We go 90 yards and then go a cloud of dust into the end zone. I want my team to score when they're at the one you get to the one you want to score.

[Guest Speaker]

I certainly do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That gives you highest probability to do it. Why am I taking that away? Oh, no, no. Don't throw an alley oop. I know you have a guy who's seven foot five, but that's unfair. Don't throw alley. Oops. Not allowed. Now it's too easy to score because nobody's big enough to defend it. It's ridiculous. It's the one and only. We're not talking about every possession you're scoring.

[Don LaGreca]

But there's technique to an alley oop. There's timing to it. This is getting big bodies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Push another big body forward. Isn't football straight?

[Guest Speaker]

It was illegal, though.

[Don LaGreca]

It was illegal.

[Guest Speaker]

You're not. Why did. Why. Why did they think for so long this is an unfair way to play offense? In fact, you know what I would love a team to do, Don? I would love a team to prove the point next year if they had the right offensive line for it. Put in your backup quarterback who you don't care about. Try running it down the field the whole drive. See if every play. Don, you could just keep mashing forward for 5 yards. That could be good football.

[Don LaGreca]

Why is it not possible but forever you were not allowed to aid a runner because it was a disadvantage to the defense that I can get some big offensive lineman to push my guy across the line of scrimmage, but then they just changed the rule and good on the Eagles. They took advantage of it. But I don't know. That's why. Don't even think about the tush push. You think there's. You would have a problem with there being a rule that you cannot aid a ball carrier? Ball carrier is on his own. You can block in front of him, but you can't aid him across the line. Would you have a problem with that? And that cures it all.

[Guest Speaker]

That's what it was.

[Don LaGreca]

That's all it is. But please, let's not make it out to be that.

[Guest Speaker]

It's some.

[Don LaGreca]

It's not entertaining.

[Guest Speaker]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like I said, at the line of scrimmage, in a moment of truth, there is something.

[Don LaGreca]

No, you took. No, you took the entertainment out of it. What you did, you told you. No, the moment of truth existed forever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Told you about music. What if I told you about music? Music is. It's your taste. No, nobody's wrong with this.

[Guest Speaker]

No, no, no.

[Don LaGreca]

This is your taste.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is entered. To me, a physical confrontation is entered. But it's not.

[Don LaGreca]

But it's not a fair physical confrontation when you have first and goal at the one that's fair. 11 on 11, I'm going to stop your guy. And that's what compelled. That's why I said some of the best football memories are goal line stands. They're great. The goal line stand with that first Super bowl between the Bengals and the 49ers, they're defining moments. You've taken that away. Everything you're talking about, that this isn't it. The greatness of a great mano a mano exchange has been ripped away. That's why it's not entertaining and it's not fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now we'll keep talking about this. We got Ann coming up Your calls at 800-993-776. But first, it is Alan Hahn here and I'm here to tell you about my friends at Bath Fitter. So they're going to remodel a bath in my home. My wife and my family, they're so excited. This is Stephanie's project. This is what she told me too, by the way. She met with them yesterday and I came home and. Alright, tell me about it. He goes, it's my project. Okay, it's your project. I'm gonna stay out of the way. We are updating a bath that we have in our walkout basement by the pool. And you know that's gonna be heavily used in the summer, especially with the kids and everything else. And you wanna wash off the chlorine and our in laws come, they stay with us, they need a place to shower and what we have there right now is old and disgusting. So we're converting the tub to a shower. We're gonna use it for guests and everything else. Like I talked about, kids, sleepovers. Bath Fitter consultant took us through the process with their free in home consultation. And Stephanie was a big part of this, they picked out the style, the color, all the specifics, the accessories. They're going to update our bath, customized, just as we wanted. I've been told by everybody that here at the station that's used it already. The process is easy. We have one expert installer. It is done in one day. No demo, no mess. That's the amazing part, especially at our busy schedules. And it also keeps the cost down when it's only on one day. Bath Fitter is a permanent solution. One piece seamless wall for a watertight fit and a lifetime guarantee. You can trust the Bath Fitter team like we are, as they have been in business for 40 years with millions of happy customers and right now save up to 10% or get 0% interest financing and start designing your bath like I am. Visit bathfitter.com for more details. There's only one bath fitter.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Guest Speaker]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, what I have here for you is the Yankees starting lineup, and that is brought to you by Certipro Painters. You ready for this matchup with the Arizona Diamondbacks beginning tonight?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At Yankee Stadium. All right, well, leadoff batter is Paul Goldschmidt. He'll be playing first base. Cody Bellinger, he is in the two hole at center field. Aaron Judge batting third in right field. In the cleanup, Jazz Chisholm, he will be at second base. Anthony Volpe batting fifth at short. Austin Wells will catch and bat sixth. Jason Dominguez seventh in left field. Ben Rice will DH and bat at eighth. And Oswaldo Cabrera is your third baseman and he will bat ninth. Will Warren on the mound for the Yankees against it'll be. Corbin Burns will be the starting pitcher testing out those torpedo bats for the Diamondbacks. So that is your Yankee starting lineup brought to you by Certapro Painters. When choosing a painting professional for your home or business, the choice is simple. Choose happy. Choose Certipro Painters. We have some Mets news or at least injury update. This is manager Carlos Mendoza giving us an update on starting pitcher Sean Minaya and his oblique injury.

[Carlos Mendoza]

Yeah, no, he's not gonna throw. He experienced some discomfort a couple of days ago while he was, you know, starting to ramp up. We took an MRI again and show inflammation. So he got a PRP injection yesterday. So he's not throwing for two weeks now. You know he's gonna go two weeks of not throwing and Then we gotta start building him back up again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not good news.

[Don LaGreca]

No, it's going to be a bit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's going to be a bit. No, two weeks, no throw.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. And then you got to ramp up from there. So. No, this is going to be probably a June vehicle, but the Mets have pitched pretty well. Last night was, was nice. Get back to their winning way, start scoring some runs, scored more runs last night. They scored all season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, I mean, again, you have Alonzo coming up big in that spot. You're going to walk Soto, you're going to pitch around Soto. Alonzo's got to make him pay. He did there with that grand slam and that obviously turned everything. And finally the offense really got on track. Miami's not very good though, right?

[Don LaGreca]

No, no, they're terrible.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Terrible.

[Don LaGreca]

And it's looking like the brewers are bad too. And the Braves got.05, lost one of the better players to suspension. I mean, listen, it's still very, very early, but it's still nice to win. And the Mets are pitching pretty well, which is something that I think you were kind of concerned about to start the season. But you know, Pete getting going with a home run. And you saw the good and the bad of Soto defensively, but I don't think they mind as much if he's going to hit. Whether his glove is good or bad. I don't think that's what they're paying him for. But you'd like to see decent defense and I guess you got to see the all around game of him defensively out there.

[Guest Speaker]

There.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's get some more calls into 800 now. 93776. Danny and Clifton's been hanging out for a while here. Hey, Danny.

[Caller]

Fellas, what's up?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hello.

[Guest Speaker]

Hey. Hi. How are you?

[Caller]

Hear me? Hello, can you hear me?

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, sure.

[Caller]

Oh, boy, you guys rock. Let me tell you, I've been first time caller, long time listener and I gotta say I'm loving the new, the new programming you guys got going, but been listening for three years. Hardcore all day on the road and you guys are killing it. Got a few different things I'd like to state with you guys. So Adam West, Batman, we usually refer to him as Batman 66, as Michael Keaton is referred to as Batman 89. Those two are probably the standout ones because have to be, they, they got the label. All the other ones kind of just fall in between. Now I gotta say some, some of my favorite callers with you guys. Obviously Richard from Manhattan. What, what needs to be Said more about. About him. Tessa. Oh, my gosh, she reminds me of Wanda Sykes on Curb youb Enthusiasm. And of course, Griffin the Griftster. All I keep thinking about when I hear Griffin now is Rubber Ducky, bathtub call, and awkwardness.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, guys.

[Caller]

How are you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We love Griffin. Listen, I'd say. I'll say this. We should probably do like a caller event where they, like featured callers. They need to come to this event and be part of whatever we do just so. Because the way Richard affected people. Guys. I know, but it feels like just to put a face with the. With the voice, I feel like we should do something like this at some point.

[Guest Speaker]

Let me ask a question, though. Who after Richard, realistically, who after Richard would have close to that effect on anyone?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think Tessa.

[Guest Speaker]

You think Tessa would have close to a Richard effect?

[Caller]

I don't know about that.

[Guest Speaker]

We love Tessa.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She's very liberal.

[Guest Speaker]

She's a regular person. Respectfully, she's a Richard's. Richard's a different animal.

[Don LaGreca]

It's just. I don't want to get fired up. Pressure on all our other listeners. There's just something that hits different with Richard.

[Guest Speaker]

That's right.

[Caller]

A lot of ways, Richard versus Griffin. That would be a battle I'd love to see.

[Guest Speaker]

I mean, I love Griffin Wits. I. I love Griffin. Richard Manhattan.

[Don LaGreca]

Hi, Richard.

[Guest Speaker]

But I just don't. I. I don't cheat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Burger, Cheap burger.

[Caller]

No Coke, Pepsi.

[Don LaGreca]

Now he mentioned Rubber Ducky would maybe think about Sesame Street.

[Guest Speaker]

Sure.

[Don LaGreca]

Which reminded me, did you see who's doing the commencement speech at Maryland?

[Guest Speaker]

I did. Kermit.

[Don LaGreca]

That's pretty cool.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

I mean, listen, it's mage and also troubling.

[Don LaGreca]

You know, it's a trouble. Now, that statue. Yeah, you saw that?

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, of course. The Henson statue.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, yeah. I mean, listen, I'm very proud of Jim Henson as Marilyn Ulm. I think he's the greatest. I think he's the greatest Maryland alum of all time.

[Don LaGreca]

You heard about this, Alan? That Kermit the Frog is doing the commencement speech at Maryland?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I did. I did not hear this. I did not know about it. But I'm all for it.

[Guest Speaker]

But it's a tough thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Patrick Mahomes and Garrett Cole should be there with him.

[Guest Speaker]

It's a great call by you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, opening act.

[Guest Speaker]

It just feels like a tough time for Maryland right now. You know, Lost. Lost. The coach got Buzz Williams. Eh, Buzz Lightyear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mid for you. Didn't really get very mid.

[Guest Speaker]

Did not get me going. I felt nothing down there.

[Don LaGreca]

His Name is Buzz though.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, I know. I didn't feel a buzz. I didn't feel anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Felt. He said I felt nothing Down.

[Guest Speaker]

No, I'm telling you, I looked down, I saw nothing. No movement.

[Don LaGreca]

Really?

[Guest Speaker]

There was no movement.

[Don LaGreca]

So that's how you tell you look at it.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah. These days, you know, I had to.

[Don LaGreca]

Check feeling the movement. You gotta glance down.

[Guest Speaker]

I knew I didn't feel full start. So I said, let me look and see. Nope, nothing. No movement. I. I don' have created movement. But it wasn't, it wasn't Buzz.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't Buzz.

[Guest Speaker]

Buzz did not get me going. Respectfully.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You guys are going to get me in trouble here. They got a walk through going on.

[Don LaGreca]

It's quite the day for Maryland where you find out that Frank Reich is going to be the name me another time that someone was hired as the interim head coach. He's been hired as the interim head coach at Stanford. Have you ever heard of that before? Hired as the interim.

[Guest Speaker]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He doesn't want to be the full time coach. Is that what he.

[Don LaGreca]

I guess not. Or are they just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll handle it for now.

[Guest Speaker]

No, that's disrespectful. That's disrespectful. They bring him in and say you're an interim. We know we can do better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sure it's.

[Don LaGreca]

They said that or he's like, I just saw interim.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's interesting.

[Don LaGreca]

I mean it's not. Stanford's not a nothing job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not nothing. But you know what are you flying to like both sides jersey to play games now though?

[Guest Speaker]

Both sides agree to a one year deal. Let me just say. Yeah, that's a bad job. That's a bad job. You have to. You gotta be able to find a real one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's, it's. I don't want the job, but I like the coach and we don't really want you, but we need a coach.

[Guest Speaker]

Allen, I believe you're being. I believe you're being blissfully ignorant here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, okay.

[Guest Speaker]

I think that he's accepting it because it's the only option he got.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, stand by. We got info.

[Guest Speaker]

Why would. No, they're saying mutual. But why would you ever want one year? Wouldn't you want security?

[Don LaGreca]

And he obviously thinks he can do better then Stan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's take a break here.

[Don LaGreca]

We'll see what the nil money is and he'll decide.

[Guest Speaker]

So true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We'll get more information on this because this is obviously a huge topic in New York, but we will get back into the bigger topic in New York, which is the torpedo bats and what baseball may or may not do about it. Plus, we do have to dive back into this tush push conversation. It is something that the NFL owners have tabled but 16 already. Owners decide they want it out of the game. Will we get to the 24 that is required to get rid of it and should they? Lots more to get to in the five o'clock hour.

[Guest Speaker]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Alan Hahn]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.