Hour 2: Ty Simpson & NFL Binge

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 2: Ty Simpson & NFL Binge

Date: March 23, 2026
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Don La Greca, Peter Rosenberg
Platform: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into NFL Draft speculation—especially regarding Ty Simpson as a potential franchise quarterback for the New York Jets. The hosts weigh the pros and cons of selecting a QB in the current versus the following year’s draft, referencing expert opinions (notably Dan Orlovsky’s glowing assessment of Simpson’s upside), and taking passionate calls from Jets fans. The hour closes with broader NFL news (wide receiver contracts, Travis Kelce’s extension), a playful discussion about ESPN intern pop culture gaps, and some comic banter about generational divides.

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Main Segments & Key Discussion Points

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1. Personal Open: Life in the Rosenberg Household

[00:58–02:30]

• Don shares that his daughter Maya got her ears pierced, sparking a brief, humorous discussion about parenting milestones, nerves at “the piercing place,” and babies bouncing back quickly.

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2. Jets Quarterback Debate: Ty Simpson or Wait?

[03:06–13:51]

Dan Orlovsky’s Take (Clip & Summary)

• Dan Orlovsky (03:12): “I think Ty Simpson is QB1...the best quarterback in this class.”
  • Orlovsky emphasizes Ty Simpson’s ability to handle pressure, “NFL throws,” and argues for his upside over Heisman-winner Fernando Mendoza, whom he claims is limited (“no ceiling”).
  • He likens Simpson’s processing to Brock Purdy: “I see a lot of Brock Purdy in the way Simpson plays, in his ability to process.” ([04:19] Alan paraphrasing Orlovsky)
  • The only knock? Experience—limited college reps and a weaker finish to the season.

Host & Analyst Views

• Alan (05:03): “The ceiling’s the roof. There really isn’t anywhere more to go with [Mendoza]. ...Simpson has the upside to continue to develop.”
• Orlovsky suggests the Jets shouldn’t worry about next year’s draft—future classes (including Arch Manning) are too unpredictable.
• Alan (05:47): “If [Simpson] wasn’t 6’2”, if he was 6’4, 6’5, the Jets would be running to take him at number two.”
• The hosts debate Jets’ long-term QB strategy:
  • Take a shot now with Simpson using surplus 1st round picks.
  • Or purposely tank and wait for a “can’t-miss” QB next season—risky and potentially wasteful.

Don’s Perspective (07:00):

• Admits most of his research is highlight reels, but is impressed by Simpson’s composure and athleticism (with the caveat: “Obviously they’re highlights!”)
• Both agree it’s unwise to “kick the can down the road” and hope for a better QB class later, especially after 15 years of Jets playoff drought.

Memorable Quote:

• Alan (10:21): “I just don’t know why you want to wait a year...Well then that’s a devastating year to go through.”

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3. Jets Fan Call-Ins: Draft Priorities, Skepticism, and Alternatives

[10:56–23:39]

Jack in Connecticut [10:56]

• Advocates drafting tight end Kenyon Sadiq at No. 16—not a QB.
• Thinks Jets could wait for a QB (maybe Drew Aller or Garrett Nussmeier later), even speculating on the Steelers drafting Simpson instead.
• Argues next year’s QB class is stronger.

Host Responses

• Alan and Don stress the danger in assuming next year’s “better QBs” will be available (or better), highlighting recent analyst support for Simpson.

Frank in Newark [14:46]

• Raises concern about head coaching instability: “Can any of these quarterbacks actually survive a head coaching change?”
• Alan counters: “Drake May did that...Firing the coach doesn’t mean you gave up on the QB...Usually it’s the opposite.”

John in Queens & Joe in Brooklyn [16:22, 18:30]

• Both are skeptical about taking Simpson so early:
  • John wants a “big dude” like Josh Allen.
  • Joe would prioritize filling holes (LB, safety, OL)—wants “four starters” with top-44 picks.
• Joe: “Ty Simpson has played one season of college and half of it was crap.”

Point-Counterpoint (Alan):

• Acknowledges valid criticisms (Simpson’s limited reps, weak finish), but trusts respected analysts (“Dan was insistent...what he sees that Simpson can do is not just pre-snap, but also post-snap.”) [20:15]

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4. The “Tanking” Fallacy and Super Bowl QBs

[23:39–27:44]

• Alan and Don debunk the concept that tanking for a high draft pick equals finding a franchise QB.
• Alan: “How many QBs [in the last 13 years] taken in the first round are still with their team? Three. ...All won MVP, one won two.” [24:11]
• They run through recent Super Bowl winners: most were not top-3 picks, several weren’t even first-rounders (e.g., Russell Wilson, Brady, Hurts).
• Gist: Franchise QBs don’t have to be top picks; the NFL is filled with counterexamples.

Notable Quote:

• Don (24:11): “You can’t keep acting like every tanked season leads to the guaranteed quarterback that works.”

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5. NFL Binge – Contract News and Receiver Rankings

[30:25–38:42]

Jackson Smith-Njigba’s Record Contract

• Peter announces the Seahawks have signed JSN for four years, $168.6M ($120M guaranteed).

  • Comparison: Jamar Chase ($40.25M/yr), Justin Jefferson ($35M/yr), CeeDee Lamb ($34M/yr).

  Peter: “We’re going to see guys in the $45 million range next. Whoever that next person is.” [33:01]

• Discussion on Puka Nacua, Amon-Ra St. Brown as future big earners, and how durability and adaptability drive the position’s value.

• Alan: “With the athletic ability you have to have to do what they do...it’s hand coordination, speed, body control, and strength.” [38:08]

Travis Kelce Extension Details [38:43]

• Three years, $54.735M ($12M guaranteed first year, $3M incentives).
• Hosts discuss whether Kelce has anything left (“he may not be the Travis Kelce we remember...but still formidable”), speculating on how off-field distractions may have affected 2025 performance.

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6. Flag Football Classic: NFL Players vs. Team USA [41:22]

• Comic recap of Tom Brady and NFL stars being routed in the Fanatics Flag Football Classic by the USA national team.
• Alan: “It’s like taking NHL players and putting them in a roller hockey league.” [42:46]
• Hosts learn about unique flag football rules (no jumping) after seeing Saquon Barkley penalized for leaping.

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7. Generational Gap: Intern Doesn’t Know Tarantino [47:03]

• The hosts are appalled their intern, Chase, has never heard of Quentin Tarantino or any of his movies (e.g. Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill).
• Alan: “Fire him immediately. That should be on your job application.”
• Intern is assigned to watch “eight Tarantino movies in eight days” and report back.
• The team spirals into a comic roast about today’s youth (“not an age thing...what’s going on in the home?”).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Dan Orlovsky (via Alan, 05:03): “If [Simpson] was 6’4, 6’5, the Jets would be running to take him at number two.”
• Alan (13:51): “All you’ve been doing is waiting another year.”
• Don (24:11): “You can’t keep acting like every tanked season leads to the guaranteed quarterback that works.”
• Alan (38:08): “Think about the eliteness of athletic ability that you have to have to do what they do with the hand coordination and yet speed and body control and strength.”
• Alan (47:15): “Fire him immediately. That should be on your job application for this place.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Maya’s Ear Piercing: 00:58–02:30
• Ty Simpson Draft Debate & Orlovsky Analysis: 03:06–13:51
• Jets Fan Call-Ins: 10:56–23:39
• Tanking Fallacy & Super Bowl QBs: 23:39–27:44
• NFL Binge: WR Contracts/Rankings: 30:25–38:42
• Travis Kelce Extension: 38:43–41:06
• Flag Football Classic Recap: 41:22–43:25
• Intern Tarantino Blunder: 47:03–52:02

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Tone & Banter

• True to DHR’s trademark: lively, opinionated, and irreverent.
• Lots of back-and-forth teasing, especially about generational gaps and NFL fan frustrations.
• The hosts blend expert analysis with everyday fan logic—balancing hard data with a healthy dose of skepticism about “standard” NFL narratives (tanking, top-pick QB guarantees).

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Summary Takeaway

A quintessential mid-offseason DHR episode: Passionate debate over the Jets’ future, spirited arguments from expert voices and fans, and a strong reminder that the NFL is full of surprises—both in draft strategy and, apparently, in interns’ pop culture knowledge. If you missed it, you’ll come away ready to argue Ty Simpson’s case, laugh at a few football (and generational) misadventures, and consider the true value of gambling on the “next year” plan.

Transcript

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[Alan]

That sounds like heaven to me.

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[Don Hahn]

Oh, man. Don Hahn and Rosenberg, ESPN New York. A lot going on in the world, including in football, which we're going to get to. We're going to get some Knicks as well. Big weekend in the Rosenberg household.

[Alan]

Oh, what happened?

[Don Hahn]

Maya got her ears pierced yesterday.

[Alan]

That's awesome. Love that.

[Don Hahn]

Do you remember ear piercings?

[Alan]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Did you do them very little or a little bit older?

[Alan]

No. You know what? If I remember right, because Stephanie took them, I think both of them were still very young just to. And I think if I'm not mistaken, Gracie had, had, she had to do it again because when they're really young, sometimes it's like you, you end up taking out and you take them out and you don't put them back in for a while and it closes. But, but, yeah, no, but, but relatively early.

[Don Hahn]

We, we, we were getting worried. We were waiting too long.

[Alan]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

Because as you, as they get older now, they're going to get to an age where they're thinking about it and they're, they're, they understand what's going on and they're nervous.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

The hard part about doing it so young, though, is like I just feel so guilty. Like, taking, it's like taking a dog to the vet. Respectfully, to Maya, but, like, you know, she doesn't know what's going on. So, like, you pull up, we part. The place is at like 70th and 3rd and we park on the street. She's, I go to the back door to like, get her from the car, car seat. She's all smiley and happy. I'm like, I don't know how this is gonna go for you, kid. Guess what, though? Nothing.

[Caller/Guest]

She.

[Alan]

No reaction. No.

[Don Hahn]

She cried for maybe a total of

[Alan]

toughest nails, this girl.

[Don Hahn]

She cried from the second the first one happened and then it took about another 30 seconds for the second one to happen. I'd say all said and done, she was crying for like 60 seconds. And then she forgot that it happened

[Alan]

and toughens her up.

[Don Hahn]

We gave her a bottle and she was playing with the bottle and forgot that anything ever happened.

[Alan]

And we.

[Don Hahn]

And we moved on. And it's so funny. And she immediately looks like more of a girl. It's like very funny in that way.

[Alan]

It is funny, right?

[Don Hahn]

Because she has short hair.

[Alan]

Short hair, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And all of a sudden she looks.

[Alan]

But hers is curly, right?

[Don Hahn]

It's getting. Yeah. Her hair now is like. Listen, it depends when I. When I brush it after like a bath, she looks like a politician with, like hair slicked back. You know what I mean? But it's still not a lot of hair. So anyways, that was the big news. That's nice in the Rosenberg household this week. But let's get to a little bit of foosball. There was football talk over the weekend, including Dan Arlovsky on get up. I know you were intrigued by this.

[Alan]

Yes, right up to him. After this segment.

[Don Hahn]

Here's Dan talking about Ty Simpson.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I think ty Simpson is QB1. I think Ty Simpson is the best quarterback in this class. I think when you look at the body of work and what was asked of these two quarterbacks, you have to start with the question who needed to do more to carry their football team to play well? Ty Simpson. And it's not close between those two quarterbacks who took more games over throughout the course of the season. Ty Simpson. It's not even close. And if we're asking like, okay, we're trying to see what you are as a player in college and what you're going to be asked to do in the NFL and what translates. I start with what do you do in moments of panic with the football? Because that's really what separates good to great. I would tell you that Ty Simpson is more consistent in that regard. There's not a ton of moments of panic out of Fernando Mendoza. And then there's moments when he immediately drops his eyes and becomes a runner. Ty Simpson more consistent in that. And then I think throwing on the move, they're both relatively equal. So when it comes to moments of panic and big throws, real NFL throws, I think it's clearly Ty Simpson. I would much rather have Ty. And I like Fernando Mendoza. This is not to slight Mendoza. I. I would rather have Ty Simpson at the 15 to 20 range than Fernando Mendoza at 1.

[Alan]

He just is Gushing about his potential. He was on McAfee. He said, I see a lot of Brock Purdy in the way Simpson plays, in his ability to process. Now the knock has been, is, you know, the lack of experience thing, right? And that was the concern is, does he have enough reps? Has he had enough time? The fact that he was off to a good start in the season and later on in the season, you know, he really did not finish the season strong. Mendoza is what everybody has said this too. This is not a knock on the kid. I mean, he won the Heisman, for God's sakes. This guy, this guy had a hell of a season. But what you get is pretty much what you get. Like, there's no ceiling. Well, I mean, sorry, there's no.

[Don Hahn]

The ceiling is the roof.

[Alan]

The ceiling. There you go. The ceiling's the roof. There really isn't anywhere more to go with him. This is just what he's going to be. And Simpson has the upside to continue to develop. And Dan, like I said, I was in the studio and after he was done saying everything he just said there, I went up to him and I said, so are you telling me that if the jets have two first round picks, Simpson had better be one of those picks and that they don't need to worry about next year's quarterback draft? And he said to me, alan, you shouldn't even be thinking about next year's quarterback draft. He said, we don't really know what it is. It's being hyped right now. Yes, Arch Manning is a big name. He's like, you don't know if Arch Manning wants to be a Jet. And then he said, all the other names, how do you know what they're going to be?

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan]

This might be an overhyped quarterback draft role. You know, you don't know. What you know is that Ty Simpson has great potential. And he said, and if he wasn't 6 2, if he was 6, 4, 6 5, the jets would be running to take him at number two. And he argues that maybe he wouldn't even be there at number two. So that that's his strong statement. And I find it to be interesting because what have we been talking about when it comes to the quarterback situation with the Jets? What Don and I have been saying versus what Rick and Dave have been saying, they all say that you got to be bad again another year and get the quarterback next year because that's the draft to get it in, right? And the, the way Dan's talking and you know, Kuiper has said as well that he thinks he could be a first round grade quarterback in this draft. Some of the books are already now the odds are getting shorter and shorter that Simpson will go in the first round. There is this growing sense that he's not going to last beyond day one. And if you're the jets and you know you have Geno Smith, there's no draft the kid and forced to play him right away. Isn't this the obvious thing to do with that second pick in the first round?

[Don Hahn]

Well, listen, I've done the research.

[Alan]

Oh, you put a lot of work in.

[Don Hahn]

And by the research I mean ever since we got back from break, I've been watching the Ty Simpson Alabama highlight video.

[Alan]

Oh, well those. That's. That's when you really see all the warts.

[Don Hahn]

He, I'm telling you, athlete. He does look good. He. To me he pops off the paper watching highlights. Obviously they're highlights. Yeah, but he pops off the paper more than Mendoza does in terms of looking like a real quarterback.

[Alan]

Now again, late in the year, not as good late in the year.

[Don Hahn]

Well, they probably didn't make my highlight video.

[Alan]

Yeah, they didn't put those on there.

[Don Hahn]

Probably not. But I'll tell you what though. He does there is there he has a sureness about him.

[Alan]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

And a calm in a lot of these highlights and a lot of calm in the, in the pocket breaking down. That does make you feel pretty good. I mean that's interesting, man. I'm curious how jets fans feel. You really like if. Here's the thing, the question is how big is the gap between Ty Simpson and whoever you're sure not who you're hoping comes out who you're sure will be available next year. Because if that's not like some gigantic gap where your dream is in the next draft. Draft.

[Alan]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Then Alan, why aren't you making a play for it this year?

[Alan]

Dante Moore is another one of these guys in next year's draft. He could have come out this year, decided to stay in college and you know, there's a guy that could be part of what could be a stronger quarterback draft next year. But Dante Moore is even somebody that's going to have some issues more experience next year. It could go really well or it could not. We don't know. Some guys that stay that extra year, they might have cost themselves a position in the draft because if a quarterback goes into this draft, you're going to just have more juice because there's less availability. Right. Big fish, small pond. But the more and we know this happens the more we get into draft season, the more guys like this Ty Simpson, you start to accentuate only the positives because you're thirsty for a quarterback. I'm just saying you can afford this because you have two first round picks, you got three next year. So you have a lot of picks to play with. Even if it doesn't work this year and you find yourself a complete disaster again and you're right back in the game, okay, you still have the ability to draft the quarterback next year. I don't know why there's this sense of don't do it this year. I don't understand it. I've been asking the question from the very beginning of once the season gets to the off season, I've been asking it over and over again, should the jets take Ty Simpson with one of their first round picks this draft and have the young quarterback in house that you will try to develop, but you don't have to play right away and have a similar situation to the Giants where if the veteran you brought in, this one being Geno Smith, fails at some point during the season and your season is now going south, well, now you put the rookie in and see what he's made of, see what he's got. And see if you say to yourself like the Saints did, hey, you know, what season went wrong, but we figured out we got ourselves a quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

I don't see why you wouldn't prefer that.

[Alan]

I just don't know why you want to wait a year and say to yourself, well, we have to suck to get to be like a top three in the draft team that we can get a good quarterback. Well then that's a devastating year to go through.

[Don Hahn]

And as I pointed out, that means the person you're going to get next better meet, better be much better than Ty Simpson because not only do you not know where you're going to draft, you're also basically deciding to throw away another season to get that person, if That's a thing. 1-800-919-3776 let's start with Jack in Connecticut. What's up Jack?

[Caller Jack]

Hey guys, big jets fan. I have a quick take here about how I don't want to pursue Ty Simpson or any type of quarterback at 16. However, I think the jets should heavily consider maybe taking a guy like Kenyon Sadiq at pick 16 because I think it makes a lot of sense. You know, big body, explosive tight end, basically like a modern mismatch type of, type of thief. And you know, it could be A consideration to get the best overall pass catcher available instead of just looking at a receiver like Makai Lemon or a Jordan Tyson who has a lot of injury history. So. And because quite frankly, the jets don't scare anyone over the middle. Right. And they don't stretch the field a lot. And when you have a guy like Sadiq, I think the jets should heavily pursue maybe getting him.

[Alan]

So you want to get a tight end rather than get a quarterback. So you would rather wait on a quarterback or take like what Drew Aller later in the, in the rounds like, and hope to hit on something like that?

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Caller Jack]

Here's the thing. Like, I think quarterbacks, of course, it's a really good need for the jets. But who's to say that the jets shouldn't do with the state the Steelers did last season, they drafted Will Howard in the middle of the draft as a. I forget what he was a day two or date. I believe it was a day three pick by the Steelers. And who's. Who's to say the Steelers aren't going to draft Simpson this year in the first round? You know, that's obviously going to be a very competitive field for the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback situation this year. Who's to say the jets still can't do that with Garrett Nussmeier or Drew Aller and draft a guy such as Arch Manning, Lenore Sellers or Dante Moore next season? I just think that the value, the overall value of next year season's quarterbacks are much higher than a guy like Ty Simpson in this year's draft. And that's all I'm saying.

[Don Hahn]

I think you better be sure though.

[Alan]

I get it. But like, again, it's. It's not Dan. It's not just Dan. I mean, it's been other people that have been talking about Simpson as somebody that you don't want to pass on if you have the ability to bring them in and not have to play them right away. Louis Riddick's been saying this for a couple of weeks as well. And I'm just wondering if, because you have two firsts, that this is what you do is you use it wisely. You take a player you know at another position that's like the best potential talent available and then you use the other pick on a quarterback and then spend the rest of your draft going after other pieces. You know, like, this is a dangerous game to play. I think. I just think it's a dangerous game

[Don Hahn]

because you don't know what the results are because.

[Alan]

All right, we don't want to take a quarterback, Simpson turns into something good down the road, and then you play yourself out of getting a good quarterback next year. Then what? Now you got to give Geno Smith an extension. Like, what are you doing? So I just feel like kicking the can down the road. When you have made the playoffs in 15 years, when there is. When there are options at quarterback in this draft, even though they're not. Nobody's excited about Mendoza. I get it. But he's going to go number one. And no one wants to be excited about Simpson except those who are paid to be analysts that tell you this guy's got.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he might be pretty good.

[Alan]

Like, Dan was talking about how his processing ability, which we've learned with young quarterbacks in the NFL, that might be the big, biggest weakness. I don't care how far you can throw on your knees. If you can't process what's happening pre snap and then post snap, like, if you're dropping back and you can't process what the defense just did to mess with your head. So, you know, whether it's a dump off, whether it's. Whatever it is, if you can't do that, it's gonna take you a long time in the NFL. What we learned about Jackson Dart was not only did he have great legs, he could run. He was really good at processing what was happening at the line of scrimmage. He didn't freak out, he didn't panic. That's important. So if he's got that, it'd be hard for me to wait another year when all you've been doing is waiting another year.

[Don Hahn]

I couldn't agree with you more. I hate that we always agree, but I do. Sorry, but this is too.

[Alan]

Isn't it too obvious?

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Frank in 3 and 14. Let's go to Frank in Newark. What's up, Frank?

[Caller Dave]

One of the. Hey, guys.

[Caller/Guest]

Good afternoon. One of the real questions I'm asking myself when it comes to the jets, even though it seemed to work, you know, with the Giants, when. The Giants, when they drafted Dart, when they moved up to draft them. I mean, consider who drafted him. Dable. Even though he was a. He was a bad head coach, he was pretty decent at being a coordinator, and I spot in the quarterback. And as far as Aaron Glenn is concerned, I'm just. If he. If the jets have a strong conviction on any of these quarterbacks coming out this year, then you can't. There's always that. That you cannot get too fancy about it. You got to go out there and you got to put yourself in the position to get them. But what I'm asking myself, because we. I realistically don't see the jets winning that many games next year, and we see another head coaching change coming up pretty soon with the jets, if you're interested in that game.

[Alan]

Yeah. You're anticipating that if they lose again, right?

[Caller Dave]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

So can any of these quarterbacks right now, given what we see on in front of us, can they actually survive a head coaching change? Because, Remdon, you said earlier in the year that, you know, you don't. You didn't want to. You don't like the idea of separating the head coach from the quarterback, but at some point, if the quarterback's good enough, he's going to survive.

[Alan]

I mean, Drake May did that. Damn right. You know, Drake May survived it. Like it can happen. I don't think firing Jackson Dart survived it.

[Don Hahn]

Did you hear me?

[Alan]

Firing the coach doesn't mean the quarterback. You gave up on the quarterback. It actually probably means the opposite. So I wouldn't worry about that. How you live it. What? Thanks, Don.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to John in Queens. What's up, John?

[Caller John]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[Caller/Guest]

Big fan.

[Alan]

Hey, John, how are you?

[Don Hahn]

Hey, buddy. How you doing?

[Alan]

Good.

[Caller John]

Big jets fan here, and I wanted

[Caller/Guest]

to get in on this Ty Simpson, and I don't.

[Caller John]

I don't like it. He's. He's undersized. He doesn't really have the big arm.

[Alan]

He's six two and. Yeah,

[Caller John]

well, that could be like five, ten, you know.

[Alan]

You know what? It is true. Did you see, by the way? Oh, just quickly. Major League Baseball has to measure all the players for the ABS system, and they're finding that, like, guys that are listed at like 6:2 are actually 510.

[Don Hahn]

But literally,

[Caller John]

I saw that dude in an interview. He's ginormous.

[Alan]

Yeah, well, there's certain guys that don't have to fake it, but it's hysterical that. Because now they have to have exact dimensions for each player so that the, the whatever it is, the radar can pick up who it is that the strike zone fits him perfect. So now you have to be listed at your. At your actual height instead of what you want people to think you are. That's funny.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, damn.

[Caller Jack]

That's.

[Don Hahn]

That's tough for people.

[Alan]

That is tough for some, but not

[Don Hahn]

for all, because some people been running so long with their fake height. How do you. How do you even survive, John? What else you got?

[Alan]

Anyways, that. I just. That's.

[Caller John]

Yeah, so I was Saying like so. Yeah, so you take them at 16. That's kind of, that's. I mean that's high for. Especially for the Jets. They're gonna get.

[Caller/Guest]

The fans get antsy.

[Caller John]

I'd rather like a dude like Drew Aller in like the third round later on. Big, but I want a big dude.

[Alan]

Six, five. Yeah. Yeah.

[Caller John]

I think like, look at Josh Allen. Like that's the prototype you want.

[Alan]

Well, I mean, look, if we could all. We could all draft the Josh Allen. Oh wait, we could have

[Don Hahn]

ribbon that hurt. Wouldn't that have been nice? Tell you what, not a lot of people excited about the Ty Simpson possible. Only like you said, only the people who study drafting football players. But Joe and Brooklyn, you're also not in on Ty Simpson.

[Caller John]

Hey, what's up guys?

[Alan]

What up, Joe?

[Caller John]

No, not at all. Not at all. I know 2027 is a crapshoot, but the quarterbacks coming out are much more impressive in my opinion.

[Alan]

Okay.

[Caller John]

And with our first four picks in the top 44, I'm looking for four starters. We have too many holes already still in this roster. I'm looking for four starters. Linebacker, a safety, wide receiver, interior offensive line. We need actually in my opinion, two linebackers. Two.

[Alan]

At least two. Two linebackers. Okay. Yeah. This safety, you know, I mean wide receiver or another like high level receiver is definitely something that you would feel should be on the table.

[Caller John]

So if we can get like an Arvo Reese Makai, Lemon, a CJ Allen and a McNeil Warren, something like that

[Alan]

with our first four picks and then

[Caller John]

you'll much rather take that and you're any day.

[Alan]

And you're happy with Gino throwing to him.

[Caller John]

No, not. I know, but Ty Simpson has played one season of college and half of it was crap. And after it was not very good.

[Alan]

No, you're right. That's been the knock. That's been the knock. Good. Mendoza.

[Caller John]

Mendoza was much more impressive than Tyson. All that running around throwing is not

[Caller Jack]

very impressive to me.

[Caller John]

Listen, Mendoza with his pre snap ability is much more impressive.

[Alan]

Well, and that. But see what you just said there though is why. And I'm not even pretending to be an expert on this stuff. I'm not. But I listened to the experts I had. I get to have conversations with a lot of our guys on our NFL side at espn and I pick their brains about it because they know I'm a big jets fan. And Greeny and I were sitting there this morning with Dan and Dan was after. What do you mean?

[Don Hahn]

Just jets fan sitting around.

[Alan]

Sitting around together. Yeah, well, it's all we got. It's a coping group.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it is.

[Alan]

But, but, but Dan was insistent in that what, what he sees that Simpson can do is not just pre snap, but also post snap. And he feels like Mendoza is more robotic where it's pre snap. Understand the defense and then it's a lot of dink and dunk stuff that you're just not going to do in the NFL. It's just not going to work that way. You're not going to get down the field. And he feels like Simpson has. He has it in his, like neck up. It's. The rest of it's got all come together, which is the experience factor and all that other stuff. He did not look good against Georgia's defense. We saw that. He did not look good against Indiana, coincidentally. But he was adamant about how he thinks he has the highest potential of any quarterback in this draft this year. And when I hear that stuff, I have to listen. It's got to pique my interest. Right?

[Don Hahn]

Have to.

[Alan]

Because yeah, you can get all skilled players you want, but if you have no one to throw to them, where are you going? And if you think that's the hard part, that you're going to be in position to get one of the better quarterbacks next year, I just doesn't seem like that's the jets plan because I think if you're Aaron Glenn, how can

[Don Hahn]

you throw away another year?

[Alan]

You can't be 3 and 14 again.

[Don Hahn]

Well, here's, here's Dave in Westchester, wanted to talk about Glenn. What's up, Dave?

[Caller Dave]

Yeah, it's just an idea I had. I'm a Giant fan, but I, I used to be involved with the Jets a long time ago, in the 80s.

[Alan]

So involved.

[Caller Dave]

Okay, this is what I'm thinking. Aaron Glenn, if I was him, he, you know, he's going to be going next year. I don't know if he's a good coach or a bad coach. I don't know. I would go to Woody, honestly, I would go to Woody and say, listen, let me take a quarterback. Not Ty Simpson. There's not too many quarterbacks or 6ft, 6ft and an eighth inch who wants to bowl. As a matter of fact, there's nobody but True Breeze and just tell them, let me pick a quarterback. You know, third round, fourth round, let me play it out. Because if you win six games, let's say you win six games, he goes with this Geno Smith. He wins six games and keeps his job. You're nowhere closer to where you want to be than anywhere else. I mean, get another. Nobody wants to lose again. I understand it. Don't throw games away. But if you go 3 and 14, you're a hell of a lot better off for the future than if the guy wins six games and he keeps his job. You are.

[Alan]

That's where you lost me. You lost me there.

[Caller Dave]

Okay, good.

[Alan]

How are you better off with a, with the variable of drafting a quarterback in next year's draft versus the proven commodity of. Hey, you know what? The coach was way better this year with a better coaching staff around him and more talent on the roster. So now at least I know I have a coach. How are you better off? This is what the draft is a variable, man. We don't. You don't know.

[Caller/Guest]

No, you.

[Caller Dave]

Of course you don't know. Because I mean, look at Brady, look at Montana, you know, sixth round, fourth round. Well, I'm not, I'm not saying you're getting somebody like that. The point I'm trying to make is that Aaron Glenn is going to be gone, most likely. Let's say he does okay, he wins six games.

[Alan]

Okay?

[Caller Dave]

Let's just say he does that. You're not closer to what you want to, where you want to go than you were before. You're better off winning three games.

[Alan]

But how do you know that? You don't know that. How do you know you're not.

[Caller Dave]

Because you at least have a chance of maybe getting. I'm not saying Arch man.

[Alan]

You're saying Dante Moore, you have a

[Caller Dave]

better chance of getting somebody next year that might be your franchise person.

[Alan]

How do you, how do you know

[Don Hahn]

they're going to be better than Simpson?

[Alan]

Your like, this is your part.

[Caller Dave]

You don't know how many quarterbacks. One last question.

[Alan]

No, no, no. That's enough. I have the question that I think ends the conversation. It's how many quarterbacks in the last. What is it now? 13 years taken in the first round are still with their team that drafted them? Three. That's it. Three. And they all won MVP and one of them won two. So you understand what I'm saying?

[Don Hahn]

You can't keep acting like every tanked season leads to the guaranteed quarterback. That works.

[Alan]

Doesn't go that way.

[Don Hahn]

Not how it works.

[Alan]

Doesn't go. And think of your super bowl champions. How many of them were. Took him in the top three? Seattle. They didn't draft him. In fact, what did Seattle do when Russell Wilson, who wasn't their top right. He wasn't a first round pick.

[Don Hahn]

Nope.

[Alan]

What'd they Do. After they moved on from him, did they tank and draft another quarterback really hot?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan]

No.

[Don Hahn]

They found the way to Geno Smith.

[Alan]

Yeah. And then they found their way to Sam. And then they won a Super Bowl. Like, you got to understand, like.

[Don Hahn]

All right, so The Vikings took J.J.

[Alan]

mcCarthy, and they're finding all of the reasons to go to someone other than J.J. mcCarthy.

[Don Hahn]

The Seahawks got. Did it with Sam Darnold.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

The Eagles did it with Jalen Hurts,

[Alan]

second round pick who replaced their first round pick.

[Don Hahn]

The Chiefs did it with Mahomes.

[Alan]

Yes. There's your. There's your. And by the way, was he a top three pick?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan]

No.

[Don Hahn]

What was he, 14, 13, 10? The Rams did it with Jared Goff.

[Alan]

They got to the Super Bowl. Jared Goff. No, they won.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sorry. They won with Stafford.

[Alan]

With Stafford again.

[Don Hahn]

Who they traded four years later.

[Alan]

Yeah. Now. Now golf got them there and then.

[Don Hahn]

And Stafford won it.

[Alan]

But Stafford they traded for.

[Don Hahn]

And 10 years into his career. Tampa did it with Tom Brady.

[Alan]

Yeah. Not their pick.

[Don Hahn]

Chiefs did it with Mahomes.

[Alan]

Yeah, we already did that.

[Don Hahn]

Patriots did it with Brady. If Eagles did it with Nick Foles.

[Alan]

Patriots, Brady, member of teams that tanked for Nick Foles.

[Don Hahn]

It's. It's.

[Alan]

Am I wrong?

[Don Hahn]

No. It will keep showing yourself over and over.

[Alan]

You have to go back, I think. To what? Roethlisberger.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I'm going way back. Denver in 2016 against Carolina. That's Manning's.

[Alan]

That's the one. Manning one.

[Don Hahn]

That's one. Manning one.

[Alan]

And they ran the football.

[Don Hahn]

Brady before that, Russell Wilson.

[Alan]

That's when they smoked Denver.

[Don Hahn]

Joe Flacco.

[Alan]

Oh, yeah, he was the first. But he was a late first, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he wasn't. He was drafted high. What number is Joe Flacco?

[Alan]

He might have been a late first.

[Don Hahn]

I feel like 30th, if any.

[Alan]

Late first.

[Don Hahn]

And now we're all the way back to Eli Manning.

[Alan]

So Eli's other than Mahomes. Eli's the last. And Mahomes wasn't a team. So the.

[Don Hahn]

Flacco is 18th in 2008.

[Alan]

Okay, so it's late first. So Eli is the first quarterback that you go back to that was drafted within the top two or three.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Alan]

To win a Super Bowl. Is that what we're doing here?

[Don Hahn]

Mm.

[Alan]

Am I right?

[Peter]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

I just counted. I'm. I'm literally counting backwards just looking.

[Alan]

Everybody tell me again how that's the formula.

[Don Hahn]

It's not.

[Alan]

Cam Newton got him there, but he didn't win it. But Cam Newton did get him there. Like golf got him there but didn't win my two number one picks there.

[Don Hahn]

Rogers is before Eli.

[Alan]

So yeah, I was saying there had to been a Roethlisberger or Rogers who were top 10 picks. Oh, no, Rogers wasn't a top 10 pick. Rogers was a.

[Don Hahn]

Was he?

[Alan]

Famously. He went all the way late. No, Rogers isn't counting this one. It's the Roth.

[Don Hahn]

We get Drew Brees in 2010.

[Alan]

Yeah. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Alan]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

And then you got Roethlisberger in 2009.

[Alan]

Yeah. So there's your mix in that quarterback draft of 2004 where you had some. You had some dudes, but over.

[Don Hahn]

That's that. That's 22 years ago.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

That draft.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So it's a bit different.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan]

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[Don Hahn]

back in the day.

[Alan]

Pre kids in my underwear.

[Podcast Host]

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[Alan]

You watch every game.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan]

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[Peter]

Give it to me.

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[Alan]

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[Alan]

Yeah, you can't do that.

[Don Hahn]

I'm talking about football, folks. That guy is headed to the slammer and his name is Anthony Pusick.

[Peter]

And it will not be a good night. Is the second part of that Kevin Harland drop.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter]

Hi, everybody.

[Don Hahn]

I did consume a lot of football back in the day.

[Alan]

Pre kids in my underwear.

[Peter]

I don't know why we needed to know that from Dom, but I'm glad we know.

[Alan]

Well, I'm not glad.

[Peter]

I think it's important.

[Don Hahn]

Don't forget I consumed some sports last week in the nude.

[Peter]

You did?

[Don Hahn]

The wbc.

[Peter]

Alan was taken aback by that.

[Alan]

It's just things that you just don't. You just don't.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it was a fact.

[Alan]

You don't want a mental image.

[Don Hahn]

No, I get it. I get it. But we're here now. What's happening, Anthony?

[Peter]

You guys just did a lot about Ty Simpson. You did a lot with Dan Orlovsky. There's plenty of stuff going on.

[Don Hahn]

I call him Cymson.

[Peter]

Well, listen, I mean, you can call him whatever you want. If he's throwing touchdowns for your team, you can call him anything you want.

[Don Hahn]

That's right. Just don't call him late for dinner.

[Peter]

Dayton Janiels even, right?

[Alan]

Jerrick Jeter.

[Peter]

We have a new highest. Well, listen, might win. Might win a drop. By the way, last I looked, I believe Jerick Jeter was in the lead.

[Don Hahn]

What?

[Peter]

Yeah. We have a lot of upset potential.

[Don Hahn]

Really? I'm gonna look Right now. You go ahead. I'm looking right now, though.

[Peter]

We have a new highest paid receiver in Foosball, and that is Jackson Smith. And Jigba, the reigning NFL Offensive Player of the year, has reached an agreement with the Seahawks. Four years, $168.6 million.

[Don Hahn]

I call him JSN.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's the easier way to do it.

[Alan]

Sure is.

[Peter]

42.15 million per year, over 120 million guaranteed. Both setting records, guarantee for a wide receiver.

[Alan]

120 million out of the 168.

[Don Hahn]

Man, we always talk about the timing, the timing of the deal. I'm not trying to take anything away from him. He's very good.

[Alan]

Very good.

[Don Hahn]

But if we go look at, like the other receivers prior to this that received the biggest deal at the time.

[Alan]

What do you got?

[Don Hahn]

I feel like he'd. I'm just guessing. I feel like he'd be low on the list of those people. Well, what he might feel of what he's accomplished so far now passed.

[Peter]

Let's see, Jamar chase, who makes 40.25 million.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, listen, I'm not crying. 40 for Jamar Chase. He's going to be okay.

[Alan]

He's going to be okay. He'll make it.

[Peter]

He'll make it. Justin Jefferson makes 35 million.

[Alan]

It's really grossly underpaid now.

[Peter]

Well, Jamar set the bar last year.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And now Jackson Smith and Jigba has set the bar again. We're going to see guys in the 45 million range next. Whoever that next person.

[Alan]

Who do you think would the next one be? I'm trying to look.

[Don Hahn]

It's about who's. Who would be up.

[Peter]

Well, I got to look at the con. The next 2027 contract.

[Alan]

Puka.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, Puka will be

[Alan]

at that number.

[Peter]

Well, we know George Pickens was. Is gonna get tagged.

[Alan]

Yeah. But yeah, he's getting.

[Peter]

So he's not gonna get paid.

[Alan]

Nobody wants to give him anything guaranteed like that.

[Peter]

Christian Watson, I think is up in 2027. That's not one. What is Nakua. He is a free agent in 2027. He only makes $4 million.

[Alan]

Only.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's. That's going to go up. That'll be.

[Alan]

Yeah, but Puka would be. Can you put him in that category, though? Puka's good, but is he that good?

[Don Hahn]

I mean, he's good. Last year, last year, from a grading standpoint, there were people who said Puka Nuku was the best player in the NFL.

[Caller Jack]

Wow.

[Peter]

If this is Matt Stafford's last I

[Don Hahn]

don't know if that lasts, but there are people who said he's the most effective player in the NFL.

[Peter]

This is Matt Stafford's last ride and the Rams are going to possibly draft a quarterback that's going to succeed him because Sean McVeigh sees something. Nobody else sees it. But Sean McVay sees Drew Aller as like the next amazing quarterback. I could teach him because I'm a genius.

[Alan]

Of course they see Ty Simpson as such.

[Peter]

He's got whoever. Whoever they see.

[Alan]

What pick do they have?

[Peter]

I would say they're going to want. Because Matt Stafford's UFA in 2027 as well. They're going to want the wide receiver to be the security blanket for their new quarterback. And Puka Naku will be that guy.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And he'll know on a quarterback that's probably on a rookie deal. Give me.

[Don Hahn]

It would just be interesting and it's too complicated to figure out in this moment. Unless, like you had a, you know, your. Your AI thing was all set to do work for you, but like if you were to go back in time, I'm saying and look at all the receivers who got the. Who got the big deal. Where. Where he would. Where.

[Peter]

Well, you can look at. Honestly, it's just.

[Don Hahn]

It's like BO would be.

[Peter]

So where do you view. Well, what's just. With the ones we have. Jamar Chase you think is better?

[Caller/Guest]

I think.

[Don Hahn]

I think they're close.

[Peter]

Okay. Justin Jefferson.

[Don Hahn]

Justin Jefferson had a time. He. He's better. Like absolute prime. Justin Jefferson, I think had proven all like just invented the gritty. Justin Jefferson, I think was Ju. Jeff, as I call him. Oh, I believe.

[Alan]

Well, you can do that. No, Judge.

[Don Hahn]

You call him Judge Jeff.

[Caller Jack]

Yes.

[Alan]

I'll just call him jj.

[Don Hahn]

But that era of I think was. I think he'd shown more at the moment than in Jig Bishop.

[Peter]

But he's shown a lot.

[Caller/Guest]

He's great.

[Don Hahn]

He wasn't superwoman.

[Alan]

Listen, he's probably through five different quarterbacks pretty good. Said something in my ear that on the Ty Simpson conversation, the Rams have what pick number 13 and 29.

[Peter]

And yeah, listen, if McVeigh has nose that Stafford says, you know what? This is it. And he probably knows.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

If he loves Ty Simpson, that would be where you get Ty Simpson.

[Alan]

Watch this.

[Peter]

And look, if Dan Orlovsky and other guys. Other pundits are seeing it. Watch this then why wouldn't McVacey.

[Alan]

Here we go.

[Peter]

Am I wrong, Peter?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Peter]

It sounds like it's making sense here. No, I get what you're saying, he's already got Lucy holding the football.

[Alan]

I'm not gonna.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not gonna pull it away.

[Dan Orlovsky]

No.

[Alan]

Come on, come on, come on. And now, you know, it's gonna have to happen.

[Caller Jack]

Boom.

[Alan]

He's all those picks next year. Well, you know, you're gonna have to jump over the Rams because the Rams want to take them.

[Peter]

Now the question becomes, after the NFL binge, is Ty Simpson worth trading up for?

[Alan]

Oh, my goodness.

[Peter]

We were debating whether he was worthy of.

[Alan]

Nobody wants him now.

[Peter]

Now everybody.

[Alan]

And if they don't get him, he turns into a good player. What happens?

[Peter]

And we're just speculating, by the way,

[Alan]

how do you not trade up for Ty Simpson? Right.

[Don Hahn]

You know, this is big news, Al, for me and you.

[Peter]

So, so j. So jsn, Jamar, Chase, Justin Jefferson, they're in the top five of wide receivers in the league. And we've already kind of debated the first two. Jason Jefferson, you have CD Lamb in that conversation. Where does he rank for you? He only makes 30. He makes $34 million a year.

[Alan]

That's right there.

[Peter]

Is he at JSN level? I think he's. When he's healthy. Really, really, really good.

[Don Hahn]

Me, too.

[Peter]

He's special and probably top five in

[Don Hahn]

the league, by the way. How about this? How about this? I believe we're going to see within by the end of this coming year. I think you'll be saying it about Malik neighbors. My personal prediction. Oh, wow.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

After a full healthy year of Malik

[Alan]

nabs and a workable quarterback, I think

[Peter]

this guy's very underrated. Amon Ross St. Brown only makes.

[Alan]

Completely agree.

[Peter]

$30 million.

[Alan]

Completely agree.

[Peter]

And I think he's probably top.

[Alan]

Huge durability factor.

[Peter]

He's in the conversation with AJ Brown.

[Alan]

What's he making?

[Peter]

He's making 30 million and he's done in 2029.

[Alan]

So 30 is definitely the line of demarcation.

[Don Hahn]

And respectfully to Jared Goff, he, like, in Jigba, he's doing with a quarterback

[Peter]

who's good, but, like, I think he's. I think he's special. He's only 27. He's only 27. He'S 27 years old. He's probably got five, four or five more really, really good years if he's healthy.

[Don Hahn]

Man, these receivers, dude, they. So many of them. So many of the people were mentioning, except with the exception of Chase and. And what's his. And what's his face in Cincinnati.

[Peter]

Chase is in Cincinnati.

[Don Hahn]

With the exception of Higgins and Chase, it's like all the other ones we talk about at the top. Whether you're talking about Justin Jefferson. They're. They all are playing for like different quarterbacks coming in every year and they're still putting up 1200 yards, the 10, 12 touchdowns.

[Alan]

It's really amazing.

[Don Hahn]

I mean that's, that's.

[Alan]

But you know, you're right though about this position, the water, the wide receiver, that yes, they are divas. Yes, they are. But they are also, when you think about all the different positions in sports, think about the eliteness of athletic ability that you have to have to do what they do with the hand coordination and yet speed and body control and strength. Yeah. No.

[Peter]

You know how old JSN is, by the way?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan]

26.

[Peter]

He's 24.

[Alan]

24.

[Peter]

He's going to be doing this for a long, long time.

[Alan]

You hope so.

[Don Hahn]

That's a great start to his career.

[Alan]

Special.

[Don Hahn]

Good lord.

[Peter]

Well, we have some details on the Travis Kelsey contract. It's a three year deal.

[Alan]

Yeah. Keep the number down.

[Peter]

Exactly 54.735. We're going a lot of decimals here. A million dollars that could be worth up to 57.735. The first year is 12 million plus 3 million. And in incentives, I believe the thought is that if he wants to play past this year, there's things that will need to be reworked about that deal in order for that to continue. But Travis Kelsey back with the Chiefs as we know, and he's got at least 12 million coming his way plus 3 million in incentives. I still think he's got something. He may not be the Travis Kelsey that we all remember from the glory days of the Kansas City Chiefs, but I still think that he is a formidable player, as Peter points out, as long as he doesn't or drop passes in the end zone.

[Alan]

But that was a big thing he was doing last.

[Don Hahn]

That's his new move. That's his new specialty.

[Alan]

Do you think that he realized that he probably wasn't as locked in as he needed to be this coming this past season and that he doesn't want to go out that way so he's going to put in an off season after their wedding, of course, where he's locked in and he gives it everything he's got and walks off the field, win or lose, whatever it's going to be. But at least feeling better about his preparation for this. Like he didn't look himself this past season.

[Don Hahn]

But couldn't that just be because he's going the wrong direction?

[Alan]

It could be, but Maybe an athlete always has that excuse. I wasn't dialed in enough. I spent too much time out doing this stuff and that. Right. Like, Taylor's not on tour. We're just going to have a wedding

[Don Hahn]

and we're going to lock in.

[Alan]

And then I'll lock in. I don't know. But, you know, these guys, like, they. They still believe there's more in the tank. Well, maybe he feels like I wasn't as locked in as I needed to be or. I don't want to go out like that.

[Peter]

Well, that's what he said after the super bowl and then said, well, I really don't want to go out like this.

[Don Hahn]

That was even worse.

[Peter]

I don't want to go out like this now.

[Alan]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

And by the way, remember, at least this year they were fighting for the playoffs until, like, week 12, 13, 14, whatever it was.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

What if this year it's like, whoa, really?

[Alan]

You know, it'll be the first Justin Fields pass that goes behind him across the middle. That's probably when he'll go, you know what? I think I'm good.

[Peter]

We haven't seen an angry Patrick Mahomes yet. We. This year we're going to have an angry. Prove the haters wrong. Patrick Mahomes.

[Alan]

I think so.

[Peter]

They could be very, very interesting.

[Alan]

And I have a really good running back now all of a sudden. They do have a dangerous running game. The Chiefs do.

[Don Hahn]

That would be. An angry Mahomes is different with a

[Peter]

better off, with a better running back, A really solid running.

[Alan]

Really angry.

[Peter]

Well, yeah, that's.

[Caller Jack]

The.

[Peter]

Kermit's not gonna help. Garrett Cole. Garrett Cole, Patrick the Frog. Had they ever been in the same place at the same time?

[Don Hahn]

So great. By the way, not bad what you're doing over there.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

So you guys mentioned this. We may not have a lot of time for it. I'll just. I'll just put it out there. We can get to it later.

[Alan]

Put it out there. Right on the table.

[Peter]

Football over the weekend, which, Peter, honestly, if you didn't text me, I didn't. Wouldn't have known was happening.

[Alan]

No idea.

[Don Hahn]

That's why I'm here for you.

[Peter]

I had no idea.

[Alan]

But then it made me watch a little, and I was like, oh, there's some things to talk about.

[Peter]

Tom Brady looked good. Big touchdown pass to Stefan Diggs right out the gate. And after that, believe it or not, everybody, it was all. You mean Taye Diggs, Stefan Tay, all of them. It was all Team USA flag football.

[Alan]

Even the NFL players.

[Peter]

No no, no, no. The USA flag football official team routed the old guys, the current guys. Everybody thought we could just throw the. Throw the professionals in there. No, no, they were professionals. Professional flag football players.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter]

They made them in that particular iteration of the sport kind of look silly.

[Alan]

It's our game, as they say. Yeah, yeah. This is different. These are different rules, son.

[Peter]

Team USA crushed Brady's founders FFC 4316 and beat Joe Burrows Wildcats FFC 3916.

[Don Hahn]

I don't. Was that the plan for this? This is the start of this fanatics flag football classic to have the, the NFL players. It was. It. I don't know. Maybe they knew it would happen.

[Peter]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Well, those guys were obviously going hard.

[Peter]

Oh, they, they. Because they, they're not taking like. They're taking offense to the fact that I'm sure these guys are professionals playing this all the time. Now it's going to be an Olympic event.

[Alan]

And now.

[Peter]

And now the football guys go, oh, we'll just go play.

[Alan]

Yeah, we're just gonna go take your spots. And they're like, no, no, no.

[Peter]

This is our thing.

[Alan]

Let me show you how this game's played. Because it's different rules. It's like taking NHL players and putting them in a roller hockey league.

[Peter]

Well, it's not tackling them.

[Alan]

It's like the best roller hockey player.

[Peter]

There's clearly skill in keeping the flags away from the people that are trying to grab them and made guys like Luke Kechley look like he's never played football before.

[Alan]

There's also rules that you don't know about, which includes when you run with the ball. You can't jump.

[Peter]

Huh?

[Alan]

Yeah. You can't jump.

[Don Hahn]

No. I saw the penalty to Saquon for that penalty helmet.

[Alan]

Saquon jump. They're like, no, you can't do that. What do you mean I can't do that? It's. It's football. Nope, it's not flag football. Can't jump.

[Peter]

Jason McCourty has an interesting thing about this one on sportsmanlike. Maybe we'll get to it in the next segment. But that's gonna do it for the NFL binge. I ran over time.

[Don Hahn]

I apologize. You're supposed to be a producer, for God's sake.

[Peter]

A terrible job at both.

[Don Hahn]

They did a hell of a job

[Alan]

management, but very good information.

[Peter]

Thank you.

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All right.

[Don Hahn]

Great job by you.

[Peter]

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just

[Podcast Host]

said Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don Hahn]

What the hell? Where did you download this from?

[Alan]

Satan.

[Peter]

It was in the system already.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my God.

[Alan]

Delete it. Just. Just kill it. You know, I felt today with the rain and the mood. It's Monday and I had a mix on coming in on the train.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

And Anita Baker came up.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah?

[Alan]

Which one? Sweet love.

[Peter]

Oh, man, listen.

[Alan]

And I'm like, that's. That's a. This is Anita Baker day.

[Peter]

I was. I was caught up in a rapture earlier. So.

[Alan]

Yeah, that do.

[Peter]

I'm a big caught up in a rapture guy.

[Alan]

Well, I mean. All right, so what are we waiting for?

[Peter]

I was trying to, you know, what

[Alan]

are we waiting for?

[Peter]

You know, St. John's first sweet 16s in 99. I thought you were.

[Alan]

So you're playing all the 99s.

[Peter]

Just, you know, Queens.

[Alan]

I got it.

[Peter]

Keep it Queens.

[Caller/Guest]

Keep it New York.

[Alan]

You know, I got it. Okay. I don't hate that, but I'm just saying, like weather wise mood.

[Don Hahn]

That was the vibe you were on.

[Alan]

I was on a different vibe.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So.

[Don Hahn]

So I was just. I just had something very troubling happen. We're at the end of the hour, so it's a good time to do it.

[Alan]

It's always a good time to do it. Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

I appreciate that. We'll get to you guys. Next. Matt, Andrew, Glenn, John, ever hold 1-800-919-3776? Jake put up his Whiteboard Wednesday nice and early on a Monday.

[Alan]

Every time you say that, I always think it's White Boy Wednesday.

[Don Hahn]

White Boy Wednesday, if you will.

[Alan]

But this is Whiteboard Wednesday.

[Don Hahn]

Whiteboard Wednesday, where he puts up like different things and you can vote for, you know, what's your favorite movie?

[Alan]

What's your favorite this?

[Don Hahn]

What's your favorite that? And the intern. This new intern, Chase.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Was just standing out there.

[Alan]

We like him. Good hard work.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we thought we did.

[Alan]

Oh, well. Oh, no, no. What happened?

[Don Hahn]

Today's whiteboard is what's your favorite Quentin Tarantino movie? Oh, and all the movies are up on the board.

[Alan]

Dogs.

[Don Hahn]

And the intern said, I don't know who this is.

[Alan]

Who. Who is who?

[Don Hahn]

Quentin Tarantino is fired.

[Alan]

Fire him immediately. Just fire him. That. That should be on the, on your, on your job application for. For this place.

[Don Hahn]

How is Dom was here.

[Alan]

He might walk out of the studio, grab him by his collar and drag him out the door right now.

[Don Hahn]

I don't understand embarrassing going on.

[Alan]

If I was his father. I'd be embarrassed. His brother should be embarrassed.

[Don Hahn]

No idea who Tarantino is. That's not even an age thing.

[Alan]

Any of those movies has. No idea.

[Don Hahn]

He's never heard of, you know, Pulp Fiction.

[Alan]

Pulp Fiction?

[Don Hahn]

He doesn't know Pulp Fiction.

[Alan]

Even Kill Bill.

[Don Hahn]

Wait, what about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?

[Alan]

It came out two years ago. Wait a minute.

[Evan Cohen]

That's right.

[Alan]

You're old enough to know that you

[Don Hahn]

don't know Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

[Peter]

That was my vote, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan]

Not a movie you've seen. Not a single movie on that whiteboard. Not a single one.

[Don Hahn]

You've never heard of Pulp Fiction.

[Alan]

Homework. How many movies are up there? Six, maybe eight. Probably eight.

[Peter]

Yeah, I think it's eight.

[Alan]

I tell you what, you got eight days. All of them.

[Don Hahn]

I mean. No, Pulp Fiction is crazy.

[Alan]

In eight days you will come and you will sit down and you will give us. What do you like? A little synopsis of each. So we proves that he's seen them. Eight days, eight movies. Do it.

[Don Hahn]

I just.

[Alan]

He'll be a different man. Think about it.

[Don Hahn]

It's. You gotta almost be jealous.

[Alan]

I mean, I'd do it if I had that much time, but I just

[Don Hahn]

couldn't believe like to not even know who Tarantino is.

[Alan]

Well, that's. That's. That's troubling.

[Don Hahn]

It's really trouble.

[Alan]

It's a simple Google, son. It's a simple Google. I can't. It's. It's.

[Don Hahn]

But it shouldn't even require a Google. That's the thing is like what's going on in the home, that's the. That's the tough part.

[Alan]

This goes way back. This goes back to childhood. Well, you're saying not raised right.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just saying what's going on there? Never said. Hey, son, time for us to watch Pulp Fiction.

[Alan]

Let's go watch Reservoir Dogs.

[Don Hahn]

I showed my niece and nephew who are 17 Pulp Fiction recently. My niece was on her phone and didn't pay attention. My nephew loved it.

[Alan]

Well, that. That tracks, right?

[Don Hahn]

Or 17. Yeah, but man, what I'm trying to think what else on the list from Dust Till Dawn.

[Peter]

Glorious Bastards.

[Don Hahn]

Well, Dust Till Dawn.

[Peter]

He.

[Don Hahn]

He was co wrote.

[Alan]

It's not really his.

[Don Hahn]

Robert Rodriguez.

[Alan]

Okay, that doesn't count.

[Don Hahn]

Reservoir Dogs.

[Peter]

Great movie.

[Alan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Don Hahn]

What did you just say?

[Peter]

Inglourious Bastards.

[Don Hahn]

Inglorious Bastards. Hell of a film.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Peter]

That was my. That was between. I was between those two once upon a time.

[Alan]

Oh, glorious bastards. Yeah, I love the Hollywood one. Love it.

[Don Hahn]

The Jamie Foxx one.

[Alan]

Django. Oh, Django.

[Don Hahn]

Django.

[Peter]

Also very.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Did you mention Glorious Bastards? The Nazi one to keep track of in Glorious Bastards. The Nazi one. Django's the slaves one. I'm trying. He had his period of. He was hitting all the sad stuff.

[Alan]

I think he's just taking liberties right now. Jake, what do you think?

[Don Hahn]

I think so. What else? What else we forgetting? The Kill Bills are the Kill Bills.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Yo, Kill Bill is a SZA song. You don't even know Kill Bill. You know the song.

[Alan]

I've heard.

[Evan Cohen]

You've heard of it.

[Alan]

He's heard of Kill. Heard of the song. He doesn't know it's soundproof glass.

[Don Hahn]

He's also just yelling in the window.

[Alan]

Yelling through the glass as if we can hear him.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Almost comical. I wish we could put a camera on it.

[Don Hahn]

We're making it work. But I mean, kids, just please do the work.

[Alan]

Kids these days. Well, he has eight days. He has eight days.

[Don Hahn]

So you'll be impressed if he watches everyone.

[Alan]

Let's see if he does it. What if he wouldn't you. What if he treats it like Woody? What if he treats it like. Oh, you mean Damien Wood. Damien Wood. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he doesn't have the gravitas of a Damien Wood.

[Alan]

He doesn't. But also, he doesn't make it Easter.

[Don Hahn]

You'll be here. He'll be here in one week, next Monday, and he'll have the weekend so he can get all of them.

[Alan]

That's what I said.

[Don Hahn]

Easy.

[Alan]

What else is he doing?

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan]

What's he going home? What's he doing after work?

[Don Hahn]

He goes to Rutgers, I think. What is there to do, right? It's. It's still winter. It's still dead of winter, let's be honest.

[Alan]

Assume all of this.

[Podcast Host]

All right, thanks for listening to Madonna and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good.

[Podcast Host]

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