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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
Hour 2: Tyler Murray & Fraud Alert Friday
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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg on ESPN NY
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Don Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Don Hahn
That sounds like heaven to me.
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Peter Rosenberg
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers right into the 4 o'clock hour we go a little Donja vehicle today. Peter off. We got Wrestlemania this weekend. A busy weekend for Peter. He's had a busy week too. So we've got a busy weekend as well. The Knicks and the Pistons begin their playoff series tomorrow. 6:00 is your tip off at Madison Square Garden. 5:30 pregame begins here. It is on 880, right? Am I right about that or we got the Mets pushing this thing to 1050. Do we know it is on 1050? Okay, that's good to note for everybody that might be in the car on Saturday. Just keep that in mind. This is a 10:50am vehicle. 5:30 is your pregame. Now normally on the radio broadcast you'd hear the voice of Tyler Murray. Young Tyler Murray, who is in his first year as the voice of the Knicks on radio. He and Monica McNutt has done a tremendous job. Their chemistry immediately almost it feels like from the beginning. But Tyler Murray Dunn is going to do something that I know you can certainly appreciate for everything that you do is he is going to call game one on MSG Network with Walt Clyde Frazier as Mike Breen is doing the ESPN broadcast. How about that for your first year? What?
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Don Hahn
That's pretty awesome. And you know what? That just shows you how much they trust them.
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Peter Rosenberg
That's a great point. How much we like him. We decided to bring him in and talk some of this playoff series and the experience and everything else. So Tyler Murray joining us right now from MSG Networks. How we doing, Tyler?
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Tyler Murray
Well, what an honor guys. Thank you so much. Don. Amazing job on Rangers coverage again this year. Sorry it ended a little shorter than usual. But always really cool to talk to you guys.
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Don Hahn
Oh, thanks man. You too.
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Peter Rosenberg
You sure you're sorry about it though? Are you really sorry?
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Tyler Murray
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I want as as many activities events and packed houses at Madison Square Garden as possible. Any sport, any form. So absolutely. I'm a big Ranger guy and he.
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Peter Rosenberg
Is a big hockey guy. Do you know that, Don? Right. Like, think about this story before we get into the whole Nick playoff series and stuff like that. I want everybody to know the story that they might not know that Tyler's going to be humble here, and so I'm going to do it for him. A year ago, he was calling you New Hampshire versus UMass hockey, college hockey. It was on ESPN plus, I believe not even Nessen. Right?
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Tyler Murray
Yeah, the great game. Espn.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. And so, you know, this is what he was doing. He's doing this. He was doing some Red Sox, you know, minor league stuff, and he did some of the Red Sox major league stuff. But he's a young guy just trying to make it in the business, doing whatever he can, hustling. And Howie Singer, you know, the electronic wizard at MSG Networks, longtime director, over 40 years directing games. He's a UMass guy. I'm at the game because my son is on the UNH team. And I texted how he just messing with him. He goes, oh, what is this on? I go, it's on ESPN plus, you should watch it. He puts it on within five minutes. He's like, who's the guy doing Play by Play? He's really good. And I said, oh, it's Tyler Murray. And I got to know him through Johnny Lazarus, who I know, you know, Don, he's another guy that's really hustling in the business. And so he's like, you should tell your agent about him. So I did. My agent starts watching. He's like, yeah, he is really good. Wants to meet him, gets to know him. And Tyler, who I didn't know this, but it said I'm. He's grew up a huge Knicks fan, loves the Knicks. He's from the Tri State area. And it just so the timing, the way everything worked out, the Nick radio job opened and so he got to have the opportunity to interview for it, and he got the job. And so a year later, he's in the main seat. MSD Networks, courtside playoff game, Game one. What a story that is.
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Tyler Murray
I mean, so I came more prepared to talk about Jalen Brunson and Kate Cunningham than the Allen. But yes, thank you very much. Still.
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Peter Rosenberg
But Tyler, in all honesty though, I, I. But just the. It's an incredible turn of events, but for you to call this game, it's got to mean the world to you to get this opportunity.
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Tyler Murray
Every night I walk into Madison Square Garden. I look at the ceiling, I look at the court, I look at Alan Han's latest pocket square. I feel like the luckiest guy in the business. So it's just a matter of making the most of the opportunity. You know, Kevin Meininger, msg and everybody there, they took a big swing on me, bringing me in. And, you know, every game I get to do, it's just an opportunity to kind of reward their faith. But, yeah, I mean, filling in for Mike Brain and Kenny Albert have had the chance to do it a handful of times in the regular season, and it blows my mind, you know, but the thing that I always remind myself is no matter if I put together the perfect broadcast, it still would not be as good as those two absolute legends. So I just try to have fun with it and know that all Knicks fans really care about is, are we winning this game? And if we're not, do we have what it takes to come back? So that's. Those are easy things to focus on.
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Don Hahn
Well, let's. Let's work on what you're prepared for. And that, of course, is this series. And, you know, some Knick fans are worried because they get nervous, but I just. I like the matchup. I like where this team is at taking on the Pistons. How do you feel from a confidence level about the matchup with the Pistons?
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Tyler Murray
Yeah, I think the longer I've looked at this matchup this week, Don, the more confident I feel. And it's not just the experience thing. It's the fact that you've got a fully healthy Knicks rotation for the just the sixth time all year. And it's because the Brunson injury kind of came right after the Mitchell Robinson return. So we've only seen everybody available for five games. They're three and two in those games, and the two losses were in overtime at the Lakers and that tough game against the Celtics that they certainly had in the palm of their hands. So I think the best version of this Knicks team hasn't even been seen for a long stretch. And it's just in time, I think, to take on a Pistons team. That's been the best store in the NBA this year. But, like, the book is closed on the regular season, and they're going to have to find someone besides Kate Cunningham to carry that secondary load. And we don't have anyone averaging over 16 points a game. So if you can contain Cunningham and then shut the water off of Malik Beasley, I definitely like the Knicks chances.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, Tyler, you know, we've seen these matchups and We've seen Cade Cunningham play and I noticed, noticed it last season, called one of those games late in the year. He comes in the building and I kept noting on the broadcast like he's getting to his spots. Now this is a young player that's already realizing he can get to his spots and get his shots off. And he was very impressive. And they were battling that game. That was the game that you remember that crazy ending. Dante DiVincenzo dives, makes a play to save the ball. They get a late shot, they end up winning it. And Monte Williams was a coach at the time, he was furious, stormed off the card. He had a very memorable post game. But these have been physical, tough battles. I mean, go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say because that, that's something that I think we haven't seen from this team yet. But it doesn't mean they can't rise to the that occasion in the postseason now that it is postseason basketball.
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Tyler Murray
Yeah, I remember that game you're talking about. I was, I was there as a fan on Chase Bridge, best value in sports. And we were worried about the Knicks, you know, dropping a game to the 14 win Pistons, but they pulled it off the Josh Hart and one just before the buzzer. And you talk about physicality. That's the first word out of almost everyone on the Knicks mouth when they're asked about this matchup. Josh Hart saying we have to exceed their level of physicality. And the more I think about it, this is a perfect matchup for this Knicks team to hopefully prepare them for a deep postseason run. Because to beat Detroit, you got to have an edge, you got to have an attitude. We know the Knicks have them beat in terms of talent. So whatever switch needs to be flipped to up their intensity and up their kind of machismo to take down beef stew. And these guys, I think they're going to have to unlock that and I very much think they're capable of it. So I think if and when they get through Detroit, they're going to be all the more equipped to take on whoever it may be, Boston, Cleveland, as they try to make this deep run.
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Don Hahn
Do you think Towns is ready for this physical challenge?
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Tyler Murray
That's a good question. I mean, he's played 32 career playoff games now, and after last year, I think he answered a lot of questions about what he can be as one of the two best players on a deep playoff run. He even said last year in Minnesota they weren't playing their best basketball down the stretch. They were able to lock in for the postseason. It's easy to forget some people were picking Phoenix in that first round series against the Timberwolves, but Minnesota swept it. So it Towns, he has been able to raise his game in the playoffs. My only question is how often will he take three pointers? He's taken 18 threes in the last seven games of the regular season. That's less than three a night. He's shooting 42%. So if you want to make kind of the traditional bigs pay Isaiah Stewart and Jalen Duran, maybe you need a little more three point shooting from Towns. But he finished the season really strong anyway. He was averaging 27 and 12 the last five games. So I'm very high on Cat and what he can bring to this team in the playoffs.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's a great point you make about towns in the three point shooting because he finished I believe eighth. Right. He's top 10 in the league in three point shooting in percentage wise this season. But he started taking less and less and someone brought that up to him earlier this week and he said I didn't even notice that. I didn't realize that. And it looked to me what did you see as you were calling games? It looked to me like they teams are crowding him now at the three point line so he can't get off those shots. You do that to Porzingis and he steps back to 35ft and sometimes and takes those. But with Towns, he's usually likes to be right up on the line and when he gets crowded, the easy thing for him to do is put it on the floor and drive. I'm curious if that's going to be the Pistons approach and will Towns end up at the free throw line maybe more than he is at the three point line?
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Tyler Murray
Yeah. And this Pistons team, they're. They're top four in the NBA and committing fouls. So we never like to talk about officiating all that specifically on a broadcast. But how the Pistons are officiated is going to tell us a lot. I really think from the jump of how much foul trouble they'll be in and how much a really good nick free throw shooting team at 80% for the year can take advantage. But you look at Towns the first two months of the year, I mean he won December player of the month. Everything was going in from three and then in one of the losses to Detroit, he jammed his thumb on the bottom of the backboard going for a dunk attempt. That was January 13th and you know he took two games off after that. So you're trying to get that three point shot back to where it was at the beginning of the season. And I just think that these five days of rest and then multiple days between a lot of these games, that's just going to work wonders for Towns who I just think he's going to reach another level and the passing too, like if he can start driving and maybe kicking out a little bit more, that just opens up everything else because that's been a surprise is you how.
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Don Hahn
Good of a passer he is as a Knick fan. That wasn't close to them. What was your perception of Tibbs and did he live up to your expectations once you took the job?
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Tyler Murray
Oh, absolutely. I remember hearing the Port the report so he would crawl to the Garden. He's like me, he's a Connecticut diehard Knick fan and I was so, so happy for him when he when he got the job. And Mike Breen I think brilliantly listed off the win totals the Knicks had with Allen and those in Milwaukee that broadcast before Tom Thibodeau showed up. Now you got back to back 50 win seasons and I guess I think they projected fans were hoping they could do better than the 2012, 2013 when they got to 54. But it's all about the playoffs now and I think if you want anybody there in that chair down the end of the bench who's going to put in more work than anyone else as a head coach to game plan and find every little edge against Detroit and then maybe against Boston and maybe against Cleveland, Tom Thibodeau is the guy you want in that seat. So the ability to make those adjustments over the course of the series, you hope you see it because if he can push the right buttons, this team has all the pieces to tangle with.
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Peter Rosenberg
Anybody the radio voice of the Knicks joining us right now? Tyler Murray. He's actually going to have the call game one on MSG Networks on Saturday at 6pm so you certainly don't want to miss that. Tyler and Clyde, you talk about generation gap but you guys have worked together before and it sounds like magic. I know Mike Breen has been an incredible mentor. He's been for all of us at the network, of course. But what is one piece of advice or anything that he has said to you over this year that has stuck with you the most or maybe made the biggest difference?
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Tyler Murray
First of all, he does it for every new hire. He called and left me a voicemail that of course I still have say congratulations. Welcome to New York. Welcome to msg. Like I'LL never delete that. And the biggest thing Mike's done for me is from day one, before he even called my first game, he said, hey, man, you've earned this. You belong here. Welcome aboard. And any anxiety or nerves or imposter syndrome I might have had, that all melted away in an instant. If there's anyone who can make you feel comfortable and like you belong, it's Mike Breen. So for him to go out of his way and do that for me is someone who I worship at the altar of Mike Pre. Man, I watch every Nick game. He is the standard of the standard. Every other NBA broadcaster I've met agrees. It's not just Nick fans. It's not just new guys like me. So for him to put his arm around me was all I really needed to know that I could step in and do a decent job.
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Don Hahn
How much does your job change from radio to television?
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Tyler Murray
That's a great question. The old cliche. And you know this, Don, as a play by play guy yourself, on radio, you're painting the entire picture. On tv, you're kind of giving the caption to the picture. So if I'm describing every single second of every touch, it's kind of like, all right, dude, lay off. And when you're working with these incredible partners, I get to work with even on radio. One of my main priorities on radio is to get enough Monica McNutt time. By the nature of the, of the broadcast, I have to do most of the talking so you know what's going on. But the more McNutt we get, the better. And that's just an easy formula. And for Clyde, because it's tv, I'm okay. If he's, if he's talking when the, when the ball's about to go up, that's totally fine. Like, let him take over. He's the hall of Famer for a reason, so. And being able to work with, with our great producers on the TV side, you know, Spencer Julian, Howie Singer. Like, they spent this whole week game planning for what throwback video we're going to show from the three previous playoff matchups between the Pistons and the Knicks. Maybe some clutch shots from a few players from last year to try to build up those moments. So it really is a full hands on deck storytelling affair. And on radio, it's me, Monica, and the all time legend Ray Santiago. And putting it all together. So I'm very lucky to see me. I get to work with for sure.
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Peter Rosenberg
The man that never sleeps. So tell Don and all Ranger fans everything you know, about Gabe Perot, his game, and what he brings to the NHL.
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Tyler Murray
Oh, man. As a Boston University graduate, watching Gabe Rowe play for BC and just be absolutely unstoppable, it was a little bit stomach churning. But then when you remember, okay, he's going to the Rangers eventually, that's when it became okay for me. Just high skill, great skater, great finisher, but he can. He can dish it, he can pass it. I think it'll be a huge addition to the team as they try to get some. Some new young life out there.
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Don Hahn
It's just. It's so incredible having this conversation when like last year they were on a run to the conference final. That's why you got to appreciate this, because you just never know. You just never know how it's going to turn. I didn't know. I had a feeling that they weren't going to be as good as they were last year. I was not anticipating the 180 that we saw. So please, so embrace this madness as much as you can, because you never know when it's going to be gone.
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Tyler Murray
It's a phenomenal point. I mean, look at the Boston Bruins. Two seasons removed from the best year in the history of the sport. And they completely blew it up, unfortunately, without anything to show for it. It's just the nature of the beast sometimes. So you have to. You have to ride the wave. But honestly, I don't think it's homerism or a company line. The more you look at what the Knicks have gone through in terms of their health problems and finally getting this new roster all healthy and ready to go, I really do think the ceiling is higher than maybe the national perception is. But it all starts with proving it and I think making a statement in game one tomorrow.
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Peter Rosenberg
I love it. I'm looking forward to this for all of us because we've been waiting for this. It does feel like a Yankee season in a way that we say so much about. Well, it only. We have to get to October. Whatever they do in October is the only thing that matters. Well, we're finally in October when it comes to the basketball season. We're finally at the point now where everybody that has been waiting to see how good can this team be when they're all together. Like last year, there was so many, well, this guy's hurt. Like Randall wasn't available. You know this. You know, Robinson's coming back from injury and is he going to be 100%? And there was a lot of uncertainty about availability of all your players. Everybody is available. They've had a week to prepare, to rest, to recover, to work on whatever they're going to need. This is exactly. We're going to see that. I always like to say the fully operational Death Star. We're finally going to see it. And there's no excuses. There's no back to backs. There's no he can't play because it's a back to back or resting a player, any of that. That's out the window. It is. Go time is the most exciting time, Tyler. I mean, I will go ahead. You want to put a cap on it?
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Tyler Murray
All I got, all I got is the Knicks took over the third seed on December 15th and they have held that spot for 56 consecutive games. So I understand fans getting antsy, but we finally get to see what the three seed look like and to see what they're really made of. So very excited. And yeah, thanks for having me on.
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Peter Rosenberg
Great to have you. Good luck. We'll see you. I'll see you.
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Don Hahn
We'll be watching.
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Peter Rosenberg
Great story, man. It is a great story. The Knicks playoff journey. By the way, it begins at the Garden on Saturday night. Tune into MSG Network's coverage at 5:30, starting with our pregame show. That's where I'll be along with Wally and the aforementioned Monica McNutt as well and Bill Pedo. Then stay for MSG Network's award winning coverage of the team for tip off at 6. Yes, the game's on ESPN, but you know, I mean, watching MSG is like watching with your family. Come on, MSG Networks has you covered for games 13 of the series starting tomorrow night, 5:30pm And I want to.
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Don Hahn
Show some love to Pat O'Keefe because he'll be able to slide in and do the radio.
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Peter Rosenberg
That's right.
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Don Hahn
So if you can't get in front of the television 1050, Pat will get the opportunity to call game one. Great, guys. Well, I got to see him at the Garden last night because he wanted to say goodbye to Sam. So I got to see him and his family in the suite and that was pretty cool. But I'm so happy for Tyler. I'm so happy for, you know, the Knicks being in the situation that they're in, man, that's why I just wish the fans would just appreciate it. I'm not trying to be that old man telling you, hey, back in my day. But just look at the Rangers again. I was calling, I called the first four games of the conference final and nobody was thinking about anything. But man, this team's Close to winning the Stanley cup, right? And then it all kind of went away. And I'm not comparing the two because I don't see that with the Knicks. I mean, the Knicks are in the beginning of what I think is going to be a phenomenal run, and we'll see if it gets them to the promised land, and we'll see if it gets them as far as the Rangers got to in the last three years. But it's fleeting, man. That's why I don't talk about what if. What if we lose and firing Tibbs. Just embrace this, man. It's so cool to be the start of a journey, to be this good. All right, maybe not good enough to beat Boston, maybe, maybe not. But, you know, to be able to win a series, to be this highly touted, to be a big favorite, instead of being worried, embrace it. Have fun with it, man. It's so cool. It's nothing like a playoff run every other day. Getting a chance to talk about your team advancing and making a run and building on. On something. This is not fleeting. This is not a one year done thing, man. This is going to be special for a while, and you're getting to see the infancy of what I think is going to be pretty special time here with the New York Knicks.
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Peter Rosenberg
Do you ever remember a time in your life pre. Pre. When you got in the business where your favorite team was going into the playoffs and all you did was have anxiety and fret and concern and worry, or were you just going in like. Like, I. I was the guy. Like, we could beat Jordan. We could take him on. Who's Scottie Pippen? The hell with him. Like, we could. Like I would always say, they can win this time. They can do. I swear to God. Lucy pulled the football away from me many times as a kid or even as a. As a teenager, as a fan or in her early 20s. But I just believe. Because that's what you do as a fan. I believe I wasn't going, oh, my God, what if we lose? Oh, we're. Oh, if we lose this, they're gonna fire everybody. I never thought that way as a fan. I don't understand this mentality that permeates and almost dominates with a lot of these teams.
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Don Hahn
It depends on who you root for, right? I grew up as a, you know, primarily through my youth. It was, you know, the Mets in the summer, the Giants in the fall. Yep, those were my two teams. That was my dad's two teams. We. We watched other sports and stuff, but those were the Two teams that we were solely invested in. So the. The Mets were in the world series in 73. I was five. I. I don't remember. So, you know, during those 70s is the worst time. I didn't even. I didn't have the audacity to think about what it would be like. I remember going to Cooperstown. It was like 1978, 79, went on a family vacation to Cooperstown. I remember being in the backseat driving home, saying, dad, when. When are the Giants and Mets ever going to win? And I remember my dad saying, you never know, man. But one day, and when it happens, you're going to love it and you're going to appreciate it.
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Peter Rosenberg
Then 86 came.
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Don Hahn
What did you do? 86. But leading into that, you know, 81. The Giants made the playoffs for the first time since 1963, before I was born. So I didn't think about worried about beating the Eagles or being confident, just being thrilled to be in the postseason, be excited that there was a playoff game and then they won the playoff game. It's like, oh, my God, we're going to play the 49ers. And then the Mets, it was a slow burn. They were good in 84, but not quite good enough. Good in 85, not quite good enough. And then 86 came, and maybe there was a little bit of pressure just because they were expected to be good. So it was a little worried, but I was just happy that for the first time in my life, my teams were in the postseason. But I think a lot of fans in New York have been spoiled, maybe not by championships, but the playoffs. You know, fairly routine for the Rangers, fairly routine for the Knicks, jets and Giants. Been bad for a long time, but at least some fans can remember runs, right? Just take it back to your youth, man. It's the beginning of something special. I don't know what's going to happen, but doesn't that make it fun?
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Peter Rosenberg
It's just, again, I just. It's like you're afraid to just put yourself out there and believe in something, and it's easier and safer to just, like, predict, say, outwardly bad things are going to happen. And then when it goes well, then you could just say, well, like, you're protected. That's all it is now. This. This. This fake anger and. And people being fear. It's all a. It's like a bulletproof vest. That's all it really is. GNC knows that you're not always feeling.
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Peter Rosenberg
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Don Hahn
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Peter Rosenberg
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Did you or someone you know participate in fraudulent fan behavior?
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Don Hahn
I'm a fraud with a capital F.
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Peter Rosenberg
Is your friend a fraud?
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Don Hahn
I have been a complete and utter fraud.
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Peter Rosenberg
Are you a fraud?
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Alan Hahn
What is fraud?
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Peter Rosenberg
Let's ask Dom McGregor. Screw.
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Don Hahn
Go scratch yourself. There we go. Let's do it, man. I'm fired up to see who's a fraud. I want to educate the people, man. Are you ready for this?
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Alan Hahn
I'm ready, Don. I have a load of emails. Let's do it with no Peter. You know I have to take the the helm here and I'm happy to do so. D H R E S P nmail we also have some calls as well, so let's get to it. Alan Brooklyn says I grew up a Florida Marlins fan, but I've never really loved the Miami Marlins. I've lived in New York City over half my life, moved here for college when I was 18 and I just turned 37. I follow new York sports pretty closely, and when it comes to baseball, I decided toward the end of last season, I'd officially become a fan of the first New York team to win the next World Series. The Yankees and Mets have no idea, but they're competing for my official fandom. Does that make me a fraud?
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Don Hahn
Yes, because it's.
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Peter Rosenberg
You're.
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Don Hahn
You're becoming a fan for all the wrong reasons. Just going to sit there and wait for a team to win a World Series, and then the best team, that. That's going to be the team that I root for. You got to come here, choose a team. Pick a team. Not just, oh, I'm going to go with the best team. I'm going to wait for the team to win me over. Well, why did you become. Think about. Think about the origin story of you becoming a Met or a Yankee fan. Oh, so when did you become a Yankee fan? Well, I became a Yankee fan because I grew up in Miami and I was a Marlin fan. But then when I went to college in New York, I sat there for 20 years waiting for somebody to win a World Series. And then finally the Yankees won. I said, that's my team. I'd be like, fraud. I don't even want to talk baseball with you. Disgusted with you. Fraud. All right, pick a team.
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Alan Hahn
Let's go to the next one. Don's coming out hot. He's ready. Let's go to Pinny Dan. Another email. Someone I know in college is part of my fantasy hockey group, says he's a Ranger fan, but ever since November, December, keeps on rooting for the Rangers to lose and the Islanders to win and says he's a Ranger fan. Does that make him a fraud?
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Don Hahn
Well, on the surface, 100%. But I need to hear the story. The context of why does he. Does he hate Chris Drury and want him fired and figured it would be embarrassing for the Rangers to make the missed the playoffs and the Islanders to make it, you've decided to root for their number one rival. Why? So with the information, which is almost none, to make the determination, how else can I. It's a fraud. No, there's no. I need more context. What you've given me tells me 100% fraud.
- [28:13]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, I'm thinking the same way. Along your lines, Don. Rooting for the Rangers to lose is one thing. If you're a fan, it could mean that you're disgusted. But to then root for the rival, that takes another step. Let's go to Sam Farrell. Thoughts on a potential fraud alert. My Parents grew up huge Mets fans their whole life. They used to go to games all the time and followed them like crazy. When I was really young, I was not really into sports at all, but When I was 8 or 9 years old, I randomly started watching baseball when this guy named Derek Jeter started getting close to 3,000 hits. And I became hooked and have been a huge Yankee fan ever since. Fast forward today, and now my parents are also huge Yankee fans with me and don't even like the Mets at all anymore. Complete switch. I tell them all the time that that's crazy. Are they frauds? Sam from Long island, of course.
- [28:59]
Don Hahn
Stop. My pants. I'm sorry. And you know what you need to sit there and find. I don't know if they're Christian.
- [29:04]
Alan Hahn
Oh, no.
- [29:05]
Don Hahn
The perfect thing would be Easter Sunday. As you're carving into the ham, just say, you know what? Mom and dad, I've been holding back. But you know what? I got something to announce. I need something. I need to get something off my chest. I believe I've been raised by frauds.
- [29:17]
Alan Hahn
Oh, my goodness.
- [29:19]
Don Hahn
I think that'd be the perfect time because it would have the attention of Grandma, Grandpa, you know, Uncle Fester, all the people are there. Uncle Fester's there at the table, and they just. They'll be aghast. But then when you explain to them, well, they were Met fans and then all of a sudden became Yankee fans, they'll all nod their head and go, you know, we're gonna have Easter someplace else next year.
- [29:36]
Peter Rosenberg
These are really supportive parents. They do anything for their child, including root for his favorite team.
- [29:44]
Don Hahn
See, you think you're being supportive, but you're really not. You're creating a toxic atmosphere. There's no stability. You're having your children believe that you can just kind of just blow with the wind. That's no way to raise your children. I told Marco today, I mean, he's seven. He's going to be seven years, five months on May 5th. That will give him seven months to make a decision. I have arbitrarily decided that 8 years old is when he's got to decide between his Mets and Yankees. We'll play the game until then. Then he's going to have to have some conviction and then stick with it. Otherwise he'll be a fraud. Isn't that the way you want to grow your children up? To make decisions, to be convicted into something like that? Not just, oh, I'm gonna root for whoever I was telling you. I'm. I'm life lessons. I'M trying to put instill tradition and stability into my kids. I think that's very, very important. I gotta. Can I, can I ask. I've got somebody who tweeted me. Oh, go Juror.
- [30:47]
Tyler Murray
Hi.
- [30:47]
Don Hahn
Because it's short for Jeremy, I would suggest that I understand that Twitter's been around a long time and there's probably not a ton of options for what your, your name can be. I would come up with something better. He says, hey, Fe. Longtime Patriots fan. Started dating my now wife in 2016 and she has had Raven season tickets since she was a kid. Marrying into season tickets and going to eight games per year. How do I not root for the Ravens? Fraud or dual fandom is okay. All right. They're not in the same division, but they are in the same conference.
- [31:23]
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, Don, this is obvious.
- [31:26]
Don Hahn
So if you want, here's what I would allow is you're a Patriot fan and you, and that's first and foremost, if you, if you want to have, you know, happy wife, happy life that the Ravens win when it's not consequential to the Patriots, go ahead, enjoy yourself. But here's the problem, guys. He's going to these Ravens games at the expense a lot of times of watching the Patriots.
- [31:51]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
- [31:53]
Don Hahn
So I think he needs to make a decision. And if he decides, hey, I'm going to Ravens games married to my wife. I'm going to these games. I am, I'm going to be a Ravens fan and I'm going to shed my Patriot fandom and I'm going to stick with the Ravens. It's borderline fraudulent behavior that you gave up on the Patriots, but if you were going to give convert to another team, then you got to be all in and you will become a full blown Ravens fan. Otherwise, dual fandom fraud like this.
- [32:30]
Peter Rosenberg
Guys, I completely agree. You can't do the dual fandom thing. You have to make a choice. It's love or football, right?
- [32:39]
Don Hahn
Yes.
- [32:40]
Peter Rosenberg
And if you choose love, then you know you're really never going to be accepted as a true Ravens fan. They're not going to accept you. They're going to like, they'll feel better because you can now have fun with them at these games because you could pretend to be a fan, but everybody knows underneath all the gear that you're going to buy and she's going to buy for you and put on deep down you're not really a Ravens fan. It's not original. You were converted. So that's something that I think you have to understand is they'll never really accept you.
- [33:14]
Don Hahn
They won't.
- [33:15]
Peter Rosenberg
And in the end, will she respect you?
- [33:18]
Don Hahn
Probably not.
- [33:19]
Peter Rosenberg
See, I think. I think it's the opposite to me, if. And I know this is your segment, Don, you are the judge, jury, and executioner. I'm just offering my opinion off on the side. I'm just the guy watching. I would say, you know what I would tell her, go have fun at your game. I got to watch my team.
- [33:36]
Tyler Murray
Wow.
- [33:37]
Peter Rosenberg
It's eight. It's eight games. It's eight.
- [33:38]
Don Hahn
But what does it matter already? He's already on his way. They've been married. He's already going to these games. So obviously his Patriot fandom was not that strong that he could just go to a Ravens game. I would have to say they're both east coast teams. Right? So you'd have to say, like, at least 75% of the time they're playing at the same time.
- [33:54]
Peter Rosenberg
2016 tells you that the Patriots didn't suck for the start of this.
- [33:59]
Don Hahn
Right? But. But.
- [34:00]
Peter Rosenberg
And the Ravens were good.
- [34:02]
Don Hahn
But the second that he decided, I am going to DVR the Patriot game or not watch the Patriot game, the Ravens game, he was kind of giving up on his Patriots anyway.
- [34:12]
Peter Rosenberg
Point. Fair point.
- [34:13]
Don Hahn
So just go. You're a Ravens fan now, but you can't. You can't have both ways. I'm sorry.
- [34:18]
Peter Rosenberg
I just think that. Just understand, though. You go ahead and do this, but just know they're never going to really accept you as one of their own. They're going to know that deep down, you really. He is. But he's not. He's it. He's. He is.
- [34:30]
Don Hahn
You'll be their stepchild. You'll always be. They'll always be wondering, are you here because of the mailman? That'll always be that kind of feeling about you. But do what you got to do. But you can't have it both ways. Big Patriot fan, but, you know, eight home games. I'm at the Baltimore Ravens game. There's a Raven playoff game, and I'm missing the Patriot playoff game because I got to be with my wife at the Ravens game. How big a Patriot fan are you? Really?
- [34:54]
Peter Rosenberg
All right, you want to get some calls on this, too? We got some fraud alert Friday calls. Yes, CJ's in Bergen County. What's your story, CJ?
- [35:04]
Tyler Murray
Okay, guys hear me, right?
- [35:06]
Don Hahn
Yes.
- [35:06]
Peter Rosenberg
Yep.
- [35:08]
Tyler Murray
Okay, thank you. All right, so what I'll start off by saying is I asked Steve Summer this, and he absolutely hung up on me in disgust. Okay, so let me run this by you guys, in the 80s, when the devils came to New Jersey, I was a Devils fan with a green Chico rest jersey and everything. Summer of 93, there was a girl I was interested in who was a Rangers fan. So I switched to being a Rangers fan. Van Beesbrook jersey, all that. Shortly after the 94 cup, we broke up and I went back to the Devils.
- [35:39]
Peter Rosenberg
I know I'm a fraud.
- [35:40]
Tyler Murray
Rangers fan. Am I a fraud? Devils fan?
- [35:42]
Don Hahn
Oh, yeah, you're just a fraud. Period. Capital F. I'd capitalize all the letters for what you've done. Really? Honestly. What does he do?
- [35:50]
Tyler Murray
I bet the girl, though.
- [35:51]
Peter Rosenberg
I need to know. I need to know. How good was it? It must have been really good.
- [35:55]
Don Hahn
Was it worth it? Talk to me. Look at me. All right, Listen. Doesn't make you a bad guy, makes you a fraud. That's what people need to understand here, is that, you know what, you could be a fraud. Just. You gotta own it, alright? Doesn't make you a bad guy. Doesn't mean I can't like you. My son might grow up to be a fraud. I don't know. I'm gonna do everything I can to change that, but it's not gonna mean I'm gonna love him any less. But I'm gonna call you, call it what it is. He's a fraud. He's a Devil fan. Chico Resch. Going back to the Christmas tree jerseys, the original, and then going to the Rangers with a Van Beesbrook jersey, and then you go, and then it's like, all right, I'm not going to be all in on the Rangers. We break, I'm going to go back to. No, no, no, no.
- [36:34]
Alan Hahn
You know, you're. You're getting yourself in trouble here, right, Don?
- [36:37]
Don Hahn
Why?
- [36:37]
Alan Hahn
Because they're going to be people that forget, that don't listen, that have short term memory loss, that are going to say Don has a tattoo of the Devils on his calf and he. He calls Ranger games. So he's a fraud. Right?
- [36:52]
Don Hahn
I saw that on Twitter. I can't explain it. I'll explain it. 101. All right? And there are people that will not accept this analogy, Allen. See if you do. I made a commitment to myself that I wanted to be in this business and I wanted to do play by play and I wanted to work for a team. I made that commitment, always wanted to do it. And so when the Rangers offered me that chance, was I gonna turn it down? Now, if you want to call me a fraud, whatever. But I just made that decision. The analogy I use Is. Well, you know, Dave Maloney grew up a huge Toronto Maple Leafs fan. He now loves the Rangers because the Rangers drafted him and he played for the Rangers. Does that make him a fraud? Oh, that's not the same thing. No, it is the same thing. Dave chose to be a professional hockey player. I chose to be a professional play by play hockey guy. And with that decision comes other decisions. Like I can't maintain the fandom of the other team that's in the division. And guess what? As much as I love the Rangers at my job, if I got offered a chance to do play by play for another team, guess what? I'll be all in on that team. As you should, because that's the decision that I made. You guys are fans.
- [38:00]
Peter Rosenberg
I don't get this. I don't get this for a minute. Hang on. You've explained this perfectly. You don't need to go any further to defend yourself. I don't understand how people can't delineate the difference between being a fan and being an employee. I'm like, you're being paid to call these. Are you supposed to say, I'm all set now. Keep your money. I don't want to do this job. I ain't calling your games. Really? But like, like that. You're never moving out of your mother's house if that's your attitude. This is stupid that anybody that does, it's stupid. All right, so when I covered the Rangers, was I a fraud? I covered the Rangers. I covered the Devil Stanley cup in 2000. I stayed with them the whole time, rode them all the way to the cup. I was right there. Jason Arnott score that overtime goal right in front of me. Scott Stevens hit me with the cup in the leg. It still hurts to this day, but was glorious. It was amazing moment. But like, am I a fraud? No. I had a job to do. I did a job. That's it. Did I write glorious stories about them that I was I marveling at their success? Yes, because it was something to see.
- [39:01]
Don Hahn
Well, because that's the.
- [39:02]
Peter Rosenberg
I'm not a fraud.
- [39:03]
Don Hahn
But that's the decision you made. Like, Jose is the one that tweeted and he's a. Hmm. Why is the biggest fraud Don Leggra, who claims to be a devil's fan with a tattoo but his Ranger blue.
- [39:14]
Peter Rosenberg
He doesn't understand it because of check you really. Oh my God.
- [39:19]
Don Hahn
When you.
- [39:19]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, that's how we.
- [39:20]
Don Hahn
I'm not gonna tell you that I don't get paid well for what I do. Okay. And Obviously, at the end of the day, I got a mortgage, I got a family. They gotta be supported. We all choose things, you know, the money is. Money's a part of it. But when you choose a career, that's the difference between a job and a career. Yes, a job is for the check, for the money. Because you got to support your family, got to support yourself. A career is. Yeah, it's for the money. I'm not going to do it for free. But it's something that you love. It's something that you want to become. And when I dreamed of doing play by play for a team, the dream wasn't all the money that I was going to make to do it. The dream was for the chance to be able to do something that I love, to be a part of. Something that cool. And yes, we get paid just like a major league baseball player or whatever. It's. Some of it's about the money, but some of it just like, hey, when you were a kid, you dream about being a major league baseball player. Yeah, you make a lot of money. But how cool would it be to be able to play the game that you love professionally? Like, how cool would it be to do play by play? That's what I dreamed of doing. So I made that decision. The check. Okay, Jose.
- [40:24]
Peter Rosenberg
So silly. Yeah. You did it for the check. Yeah, you're damn right I did. That's exactly why I'm doing it. Why wouldn't you do that? You're going to turn down. You're going to again. Some people don't get it. You can't help them.
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- [42:08]
Peter Rosenberg
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
- [42:11]
Don Hahn
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [42:13]
Peter Rosenberg
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so Donna, I've decided this. The segment is so good. Fraud alert Friday. First of all, once we get to a video element, which we're letting everybody. We're getting there, we're going to be there at some point, but. But you will then have to get the powdered wig and the robe. But I think just for now, for audio purposes, we're going to get you a gavel.
- [42:40]
Don Hahn
No, I like that.
- [42:41]
Peter Rosenberg
You know, like, then you can, you can just declare whatever your decision is and that's it. I like that too, because this is, this is kind of fun. A lot of people want to get you get your opinion on fraud alerts. So let's get to them. 800-919-3776. Let's see. Matt is in LA with one for you. Go ahead, Matt.
- [43:04]
Don Hahn
Matt?
- [43:07]
Tyler Murray
Yeah, it's my little brother and he's listening, so call him out. So when the Lakers were at the end of the run with Kobe and they were doing bad, he jumped on the Golden State bandwagon when they started winning.
- [43:26]
Don Hahn
Oh, no.
- [43:28]
Tyler Murray
And now he's trying to come back to the Lakers.
- [43:30]
Don Hahn
Oh, no.
- [43:31]
Tyler Murray
And they say kick him out. I'm trying to give him the boot.
- [43:36]
Peter Rosenberg
How old is he?
- [43:37]
Tyler Murray
My little brother. And unfortunately. And I feel sorry for him because we're in Southern California. I'm a die hard Yankee fan. I named my son after Mickey Mantle, for Christ's sake. And he's an angel fan, so I feel sorry for him already. But he's trying to come back to the Lakers and I'm pushing him as far away as I can because you made your move, you went to Golden State and he's a fraudster and he's listening, so I know he hears it.
- [44:06]
Don Hahn
Well, I don't. You have to. He's your little brother. You've got to guide him. You have a responsibility to let him know that this fraudulent behavior will not stand. Do not let him, under any circumstances, back into Laker fandom. And you make him. And you make him feel bad for being a Golden State fan. And now he won't even be able to value Golden State because he'll weasel his way back there and claim to be a big fan. No, you got to remind him. And you got to help your part of being a big brother. That's a responsibility. You've got to guide him, man. Fraud.
- [44:39]
Peter Rosenberg
Don't. All right, there it is. Declare fraud. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate it. By the way, Golden State's not getting out of that series with Houston. Yeah, I said it. Not getting out of that series. Derek in Keensburg. Derek.
- [44:57]
Don Hahn
Hello.
- [44:58]
Peter Rosenberg
What's up, Derek?
- [45:00]
Don Hahn
Hey, what's up?
- [45:00]
Tyler Murray
Huge, huge fan of the show.
- [45:02]
Don Hahn
Guys, my situation is so. When I was younger, I was a Chargers fan just because of ladini Thomas, and mainly. And then the year the. That for one year, and then he switched the jets, and I've been a.
- [45:13]
Tyler Murray
Jets fan ever since.
- [45:14]
Don Hahn
Am I a fraud now? How old were you when you made the switch?
- [45:18]
Tyler Murray
I was like 9, 10 when I first got the football, and then it.
- [45:22]
Don Hahn
Was the one year right before he switched to the jets, and then I've been a Jets fan ever since.
- [45:26]
Peter Rosenberg
That's right on the border, Donnie.
- [45:27]
Don Hahn
Well, no, he said he was. He was nine or ten years old now. Chargers. How old were you when he became a Jet?
- [45:34]
Tyler Murray
Like it was the year.
- [45:36]
Don Hahn
Like, I've watched football for one year.
- [45:37]
Tyler Murray
And then he switched and I'm 23.
- [45:38]
Don Hahn
Now, still a jazz fan. Oh, you know what?
- [45:41]
Peter Rosenberg
Can you be lenient here?
- [45:42]
Don Hahn
I gotta listen, there's gotta be a little wiggle room, right? I've arbitrary. I said. I say the word arbitrary, like 8 years old because that's when I declared. That's when I felt like I was really into the teams and I wasn't going back to. To anything else, so. But you're telling me nine, ten. Still very impressionable. And then you've stuck with the jets since then. I say no.
- [46:04]
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, yeah.
- [46:05]
Tyler Murray
Since. Since gay. Since Todd bowls.
- [46:09]
Don Hahn
I say no. Fraud. Because if he was a fraud, he would have found his way to get out of the jets by now, right? I mean, it's been 15 years since they've made the playoffs, and he has stuck with them through some of the worst times for the Jets. No, no, no. Fraud. I don't sense any fraud there.
- [46:23]
Peter Rosenberg
Innocent, innocent or fraudulent behavior. Congratulations, Derek. It's a rare, this is a rare moment now on the show. It's a rare moment that declares you innocent and fraudulent.
- [46:34]
Don Hahn
I think any good judge, you got me all psyched up about the gavel because now we're taking it seriously. We're going to take it to another level. There has to be nuance, right? There has to be some wiggle room. Listen, he was nine or 10 years old, very impressionable and he has stuck with the jets during this dark time. If he was a true fraud, he would have found his way to weasel out of the jets and find another team. He'd be a chief fan by now. Or he would have joined the Patriots. But no, he has stuck through a decade and a half of being miserable. No fraud.
- [47:06]
Peter Rosenberg
Court is adjourned. Fraud Friday always works. We'll continue with the calls throughout the rest of the show. But coming up, hall of Fame. Now it's time to talk some hall of Fame. Get the story from the man who's been there, done that, Bernard King, the great Bernard King, King of New York, joins us next. Talk some Knicks basketball and that Great Series in 84 with him, Isaiah Thomas and those Pistons back in the day. That's coming up at First Don, you.
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Peter Rosenberg
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