Hour 2: Williams Implodes & Talk About It Tuesday

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
Episode: Hour 2: Williams Implodes & Talk About It Tuesday
Release Date: May 6, 2025

In the second hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast titled "Williams Implodes & Talk About It Tuesday," hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into a mix of personal anecdotes, in-depth sports analysis, and current events affecting their listeners. The episode, released on May 6, 2025, provides a comprehensive look into the challenges faced by the New York Yankees' bullpen, particularly focusing on pitcher Devin Williams, while also touching on broader sports topics and the intersection of sports with popular culture.

1. Personal Anecdotes and Mother’s Day Reflections (00:00 - 07:05)

The episode begins with light-hearted conversation about opening a pool early in April, despite the weather conditions. This segues into a heartfelt discussion about approaching Mother’s Day and the responsibilities it brings, especially for those with new family dynamics.

• Peter Rosenberg (00:45): "If you don't have a heated pool, you're really narrowing your number of months."
• Alan Hahn (07:05): "I am not at the point yet when I travel for a day…"

The hosts share personal stories about balancing family life, parenting, and the emotional challenges of leaving children behind for work, emphasizing the importance of supporting spouses and managing familial expectations during holidays.

2. Yankees' Bullpen Decisions: Devin Williams Under Scrutiny (10:04 - 18:07)

A significant portion of the podcast is dedicated to analyzing the Yankees' recent bullpen decisions, focusing on Devin Williams' performance. The hosts express frustration with Manager Aaron Boone's choices, especially bringing in Williams during unfavorable conditions.

• Daryl Strawberry (10:05): "Why bring him in in that moment? Made no sense."
• Aaron Boone (19:02): "I think once he gets righted…"

The discussion critiques Boone's strategy of using Williams in a rain-soaked game on Mother’s Day, questioning the timing and rationale behind deploying a pitcher perceived as "delicate" in high-pressure situations. The hosts argue that such decisions undermine the team's chances of securing wins, especially in a competitive division.

3. Impact on Team Performance and Fan Reactions (18:08 - 25:37)

Continuing the bullpen critique, the hosts debate the broader implications of Boone's decisions on the team's season. They highlight how these choices could affect the Yankees' standing in a weak division and their prospects in the playoffs.

• Peter Rosenberg (20:25): "The Americans can't just say, well, the Yankees are going to win the American League."
• Daryl Strawberry (24:11): "Look how they got into the playoffs…"

The conversation extends to comparisons with other teams, such as the Detroit Tigers, who are portrayed as a legitimate threat despite the American League's overall weakness. The hosts emphasize the importance of strategic bullpen management in maintaining a competitive edge.

4. Non-Sports Content in Sports Broadcasting: The Met Gala Debate (32:34 - 35:23)

Shifting gears, the hosts address the increasing presence of non-sports content, specifically the Met Gala, on sports broadcasts like SportsCenter. Daryl Strawberry voices concerns about the relevance of fashion events in a sports-focused platform.

• Daryl Strawberry (32:37): "Just because it's called Met, it's not Mets. There's nothing baseball about it."
• Alan Hahn (35:14): "Do you want to see Brian Windhorse break down the outfits of the Met Gala?"

Peter Rosenberg and Alan Hahn provide counterpoints, suggesting that occasional coverage of fashion can enrich the program, but agree that it should not overshadow core sports content. The debate highlights the delicate balance broadcasters must maintain between diverse content and audience expectations.

5. Listener Interaction: Richard’s Complaints about Yankees’ Pitching Strategies (43:28 - 48:07)

The episode features a caller named Richard who expresses dissatisfaction with the Yankees' pitching decisions, particularly criticizing the premature removal of pitchers after minimal pitches.

• Richard (43:42): "It's pre-programmed. It's like they're telling you you're sitting down for this dinner…"
• Peter Rosenberg (44:39): "The answer is four. You call and ask the question why?"

The hosts engage with Richard's frustrations, reiterating their stance on the Yankees' bullpen management while acknowledging the emotional investment fans have in managerial decisions. The interaction underscores the passionate and sometimes contentious relationship between sports teams and their fanbase.

6. Let’s Talk About It Tuesday: Hot Takes and Current Events (25:37 - 35:23)

In the "Let’s Talk About It Tuesday" segment, the hosts provide rapid-fire opinions on various sports events and controversies. Topics include the performance of teams like the Mets, Cubs, and discussions about sports strategies and coaching decisions.

• Daryl Strawberry (30:26): "It is a done deal. Your head coach, Knicks fans, is Tom Thibodeau. Cry about it."
• Alan Hahn (35:19): "It's starting to change."

This segment allows the hosts to share their candid and often critical viewpoints on ongoing sports narratives, offering listeners a mix of humor, sarcasm, and informed critique.

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts (38:24 - 40:44)

The podcast wraps up with casual banter about 80s music and pop culture references, tying back to earlier discussions about the Met Gala and the blending of sports with entertainment.

• Peter Rosenberg (42:30): "If you hated a band or a song, to represent if you made a movie about the 80s, this song would have to be in it."
• Alan Hahn (40:41): "I'm going to say this. This is a tough thing to say."

The hosts lighten the mood with nostalgic reminiscing and playful interactions, concluding the episode on a relaxed and personable note.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Daryl Strawberry (10:05): "Why bring him in in that moment? Made no sense."
• Aaron Boone (19:02): "I think once he gets righted…"
• Daryl Strawberry (32:37): "Just because it's called Met, it's not Mets. There's nothing baseball about it."
• Richard (43:42): "It's pre-programmed. It's like they're telling you you're sitting down for this dinner…"

Key Takeaways

• Bullpen Management: The Yankees' handling of Devin Williams and other relievers under Aaron Boone's leadership is a central critique, highlighting potential flaws in strategy that could impact the team's success.

• Balancing Content: The inclusion of events like the Met Gala in sports broadcasts is debated, emphasizing the need for sports programs to maintain their core focus while occasionally branching out.

• Fan Engagement: Listener interactions, such as Richard's complaints, reveal the deep emotional connections and expectations fans have regarding their teams' management decisions.

• Personal Stories: The hosts effectively weave personal experiences with broader sports discussions, creating an engaging and relatable narrative for their audience.

This episode offers a blend of personal insights, critical sports analysis, and cultural commentary, making it a valuable listen for fans interested in the nuanced dynamics of sports management and broadcasting.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8:80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

4:00 at the big city. Don Han in Rosenberg on a rainy Tuesday. It's gonna be a rainy week, but the week.

[Alan Hahn]

Spirits of the weekend.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, it's gonna be Mother's Day. Is supposed to be. That's supposed to save us, by the way. Pool's opening tomorrow, fellas.

[Alan Hahn]

Really?

[Daryl Strawberry]

He's coming tomorrow? Rain or shine. He's opening the damn pool.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We opened the pool early April. Nancy likes.

[Daryl Strawberry]

You opened it in April.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, she likes.

[Alan Hahn]

It's indoors, but this year that was a full waste of time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, but she likes the aesthetics of I agreeing outside in the pool instead of just seeing a tarp in the backyard.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Oh, I get it. I love the smell of chlorine.

[Alan Hahn]

But a complete waste as far as having a pool there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, we haven't been any.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Is it heated?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah, yeah, but not heated.

[Daryl Strawberry]

What do you. What do you. What. What's your temperature?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

86.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's got to be.

[Daryl Strawberry]

You know, 86 is like the. The level we usually keep it at.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, if you don't have a heated.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Pool, what do we do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're really narrowing your number of months.

[Daryl Strawberry]

That you use it in. July, August, and maybe a touch of September. Other than that, they're not going in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I remember being in the pool when. Remember the Giants came up with that stop against the Redskins on fourth down in oh, seven.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Do you remember, Peter? So that's week two, 2007.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Week two, week three, they lost the first. No, wait, they lost the first two games of the season.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then it's week three in Washington. Tom Coughlin's that everybody's saying it's going to cost him his job. They had a big fourth down stand in Washington, and then the Giants went on the toot and the. Making the players win in the Super Bowl.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it's a memorable one for Giant fans. That's week three and I was in the. In the pool. So, like, you can get into October if you've got. We did heat.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, why not?

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, the kids are swimming on Halloween.

[Alan Hahn]

It was 80.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You eventually have to get out of the pool. So, you know, it's not like you can go swimming, because I'm not.

[Daryl Strawberry]

That's the best feeling, though, when it's freezing out of the pool.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not a fancy person. I've never had a pool. But this sounds. What you're saying all sounds like it makes sense. Us peons.

[Daryl Strawberry]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't understand.

[Daryl Strawberry]

How's that? Summer home has that working out by the house. Yeah, exactly.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, first of all, this. No, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's different styles of snob. Yeah, but it's so misleading calling me out when you're just as big as snob. Yeah. I make a good living and so do you.

[Alan Hahn]

Hold on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But guess what?

[Alan Hahn]

I avoid saying I have a second home. Let's talk about it to go. Let's talk about pool heating. That was your guy's choice. I was just sitting here going to question. I go. I go. I'm just going to represent for the people out there who don't know it's like the heat of pool.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you also representing from above.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Let me represent the people that when I walk out my front door, I take three steps and I'm at the ocean. Let me do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm your God. I don't know how much of this ever was supposed to.

[Alan Hahn]

No, never. That was never public information, nor is that even accurate.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Did I say anything?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I mean, it's just.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It's. It's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's in the ether, but I try not to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Daryl Strawberry throw from the ocean. How about that throw? Oh, no.

[Alan Hahn]

Darryl throw. Absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He could hit the ocean from where you live.

[Alan Hahn]

Darryl? Yeah, Darryl probably could, but not even bounce baby.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Zach Wilson, though, probably missed the ocean.

[Alan Hahn]

But Uncle Rico throw the boat over the ocean.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But before we get back to the Nick calls, we want to talk Yankees, too. Is that he doesn't realize it yet, he being Peter.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Pandora's box that Sunday opens up now that he has a child. Cause Mother's Day was always about Mindy. Now Mother's Day's not about Mindy. It's about Natalie. Don't forget that.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Hang on a second.

[Alan Hahn]

I haven't forgotten that.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Natalie's his wife.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Understood.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Not his mother.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think Maya's going out buying any cards. I don't think Maya's gonna flip the bill for a buffet on Sunday. So until Maya all of a sudden gets a job, it's gonna be his responsibility to make sure Natalie's taken care of on Mother's Day.

[Daryl Strawberry]

She expects a gift.

[Alan Hahn]

A gift?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I think she wants. She expects to be taken care of. No, no, she's a mom.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

The first, by the way, Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Daryl Strawberry]

First.

[Alan Hahn]

It's been a while for you. That's a big deal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Till my arrival. First Mother's Day is a big deal on earth. Who is going to appreciate that? Natalie's a mom. Except for Pete.

[Daryl Strawberry]

A little brunch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm just giving him a heads up because it's easy to forget because his whole life it's been about, what do I do for my mom, what do I do for Mindy? Flowers, Take her out there. He's got to get out of that mode. What am I going to do for my wife? Then eventually, when Myya's in college, then it's. Then your responsibility is over. It's up to her to take care of her college.

[Alan Hahn]

Early teenager. Early teenager.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Early teenager, for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't think he's gonna have to remind.

[Daryl Strawberry]

First of all, when they get to school, they're gonna be making things for mom.

[Alan Hahn]

True, but that's.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Don, you have a shelf full of things that they made in school and you're like, that's awesome.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but they're still not paperweight to Don's point. They're still not picking up the tab at brunch.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Brunches. That's easy.

[Alan Hahn]

I have a dinner reservation already. At her favorite restaurant.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Nicely done.

[Alan Hahn]

Sorry. Oh, and babysitters reserved. So we.

[Daryl Strawberry]

How does that make sense?

[Alan Hahn]

I have a babysitter.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Why?

[Alan Hahn]

Because we're going to dinner.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It's Mother's Day.

[Alan Hahn]

We're going to a nice place.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, you gotta raise the kids. I don't like this. No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cuz it's Mother's Day.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah. This is a bad mistake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not her birthday.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah. Does she know this? Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

She doesn't care. You think Natalie's the type to go? Oh, no, I. I want to skip my favorite restaurant because I want to make sure we spend night time. I know Mother's Day. Well, during the day we'll be with the baby.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

And then at night we're gonna go to dinner. We haven't been to the restaurants. Her favorite restaurant. She couldn't eat the food basically, during her pregnancy because it was things you're not supposed to eat as a pregnant woman. So she hasn't been back yet since. So I said, why not do it for Mother's Day, her birthday? But what does it matter? It's for her.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm just. Why does the daughter have to be dinner? She's going to say, I wish Maya was here.

[Alan Hahn]

No, she won't. No, she won't. She will have been with Maya by herself all weekend long when I'm in St. Louis. And she will go, where's dinner?

[Daryl Strawberry]

First time I took Steph for the Weekend, just a weekend. We didn't even go far. We got a car service right in the car, out of the driveway, down the block, my mother in law is watching my son bawling her eyes out. And she, we gotta do something. I need to get away. I need to get out. The minute we're down the road crying, I'm sitting in the car like, is this what we're gonna do for the whole time we're crying?

[Alan Hahn]

This is not my wife.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

My wife is simultaneously in love with Maya. Spends all a lot of time with her these days. And when it's time to get a babysitter and leave, she goes, I trust you. You get back.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I go, all right.

[Alan Hahn]

She has a very healthy, I believe, balance of being able to do both.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

But then again, she also got thrown into a different situation because the main thing that has thrown Natalie through a loop was the death of Rocky. So she, her whole thing was getting past that.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Good point.

[Alan Hahn]

And so it's kind of reshifted how she is now. Can I tell you guys the truth though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do it.

[Alan Hahn]

I am not at the point yet when I travel for a day. And by the way, I'm pretty obsessed. My phone is literally just me singing to my daughter all day, every day. But when I leave for a day, I don't like break down in tears. I'm like, I'll see you tomorrow. She doesn't say anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I will tell you.

[Alan Hahn]

She goes, she looks at me and then her eyes wander off into nothingness. It's like once they could say, daddy, don't leave.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Trust me.

[Alan Hahn]

Then I know it hits.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I have a picture of Gracie when Gracie was like probably two. It was one of my last years as a beat writer. I was leaving for a west coast trip. Gonna be gone for 10 days.

[Alan Hahn]

Bag is waiting time. Yeah, that's a long time.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Car's coming. Waiting for the car to take me to the airport. Bag sitting up by the. And Stephanie took a picture of her sitting on the bag. I didn't get it till I was in the car service on the way to the airport. She just sends it to me. And I look, she's sitting on the bag. She's holding a plane, like a little toy plane.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Daryl Strawberry]

And she texted me. She was just kept saying, dad, dad, bye, bye.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, see that now that now you're puddle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's absolute puddle. What gets me because you're right.

[Alan Hahn]

At that age, some people overdo it when they're like. When I walk away, I instantly, I'm like, I Think about her. Like Wrestlemania. I was gone for four and a half days. I was ready to get home by the end, right? Cause I usually do a day or two, 10. I'd be. I admittedly would be like, oh, my God, I'm gonna be missing things. But for, like, a day or two, you know, she's just not in a place yet where it's not that thing.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Give it time. Don knows.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, like, if I'm on a road trip, and it's not that long, a couple of days. So it's like, at first, you're excited. I'll be able to get some sleep. I'll be able to get some me time. But I'll walk through the lobby, or I'm gonna be heading to the arena, and I'll see a child that's my kid's age with their dad going to the game, and I start thinking, oh, man, I wish. I wish. Mark. That's what happened. You know, you don't cry, but you feel it. But you do you feel it? Just a little reminder, because I didn't think about it either. It's like, oh, it's Mother's Day. What am I gonna do for my mom? No, no, no. I'm. I'm here. Wait, hold on.

[Alan Hahn]

Nancy had to tell you. Well, so don't see what Don's doing. No one told Don, so he's being a real friend and going, I made the mistake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She don't make a mistake. She made it clear that it's, like, disappointed that, like, all the plans revolved around going to what my mom wanted to do. It's like, you know, of course she was coming along. It's like, my mind, you know, because, listen, I had the kids when I was 49, so for, like, 49 years, it was all about, what do I do about my. I mean, I'm just reminding you because 45 of your years were all about Mindy and my mom's.

[Alan Hahn]

It works out great, too. Cause my mom doesn't care about holidays, so. But it actually works out nice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Until you screw them up.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I'm good for God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you don't. You don't have to get me anything. But, you know. Boy, I can't believe you didn't get me anything.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. Those things do happen, you know, you.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Can get me done. You can get me a closer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A close, clearly. Go ahead.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Oh, seriously?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you don't have one right now, like. But eventually.

[Daryl Strawberry]

William, can we go through. Can we go through with Boone real quick here?

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Just because you did bring it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Right. Last night. You're talking about weather that was uncomfortable for everybody playing through that last night. Right where Don gave you a start that should have come up, should have given you a win. That's a. That's a start by a starter who's giving you a win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Daryl Strawberry]

You get to. Through five, six innings with him. And of course, you know, like, as anything happens, you get somebody on, you can see he's losing it. So let's go to the bullpen. Why? Why? Why Bring Devin Williams, who you know already is a delicate flower. You already know this well, you've already demoted in that environment, in those conditions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why?

[Daryl Strawberry]

And then Luke Weaver's got to come in and he's. What. What is he supposed to do? You're throwing him in there. Yeah, but it's all ready now. There's already. The house is on fire at that point. You're asking him to put it out with a garden hose. But why bring him in in that moment? Made no sense. The mound is soaked. He's already not comfortable with the mound to begin with. You can tell he's not comfortable pitching on this stage. He's getting booed right back to the dugout because you knew that's coming. There's eight people left in the building, and all eight of them stood up and booed him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he's still.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Please explain to me why he's in that. He should be playing on the road in a dome until he gets right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But in this situation, he's not your closer. But he's been in high leverage situations since he's been knocked out of the closer role and has done a decent job. He's in your bullp. You can't not, not use them. It's like you're demoting him. The Somerset. He's on your roster. He's in the bullpen. But why.

[Daryl Strawberry]

No, no, no, no. I didn't say don't use him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It's pouring monsoon, muddy field. The Kentucky Derby had a better circle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Career in a dome, and you're bringing.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Him in there in that moment at home.

[Alan Hahn]

Why do that if everybody's available? Why did. Why did.

[Daryl Strawberry]

My point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're right.

[Alan Hahn]

What's the point?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, what do you say about that?

[Daryl Strawberry]

Here he is today, pregame about he. I cannot believe he's doing this. Like, here he is talking about Williams here.

[Aaron Boone]

I think it's just that next level of command, getting ahead with the fastball, controlling counts a little bit better. You know, even last night, it's not that he's getting hit around, you know, it's punch walk, two strike breaks a bat for a knock walk, you know, So I do feel like it's very close. It's just about controlling counts a little bit better. And once he does that, he'll ascend real quick.

[Daryl Strawberry]

He's so good at keep making you feel like you're still doing fine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It doesn't mean.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Because he said he's so good at it, but walks, walks, his command walks. His is where you're throwing the ball. I'd rather he's getting smacked because it certainly means that obviously the pitches aren't going where you want him in the zone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's in the zone.

[Daryl Strawberry]

He is not even hitting the zone. They had one airbender pitch. It looked amazing. They had two outs, and then after that, he could not put it in the strike zone. Don couldn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like he got in his head. You can't be talking up your pitcher when every other word is walk. Yeah, right. Oh, a broken bat walk, you know, broken back, knock walk, you know, didn't catch a break walk. Well, yeah, if everything's following the walk, the walk's the problem. I can't defend a walk, throw strikes. But, dude, I don't know why you get upset about it. He is going to talk up everything.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I'm not upset at Boone. I'm not upset at Boone for what he's saying because I've learned this is who he is. I wish my dad was like this after some of my high school games, because that's exactly what I needed to hear. But it's not the stuff that I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Heard from him, I am sure.

[Daryl Strawberry]

But this. Come on. Like. I'm not talking about what he's saying. I'm talking about why in that condition, why would you say to yourself, let me bring in the most delicate flower I have out there in the bullpen right now and see how he does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm not going to.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I need to win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, need to win.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Come on. How many series are they going to give away?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get it, but you're in a bad division. Nobody's five.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I'm sorry. I don't want to be in the mud with everybody else.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Need to win game.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Need to win every game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You need to win, you want to win. But if I've got a closer that I went on, traded for Carlos Rodone.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Gave me a start.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Understood.

[Daryl Strawberry]

In those conditions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about a guy that figured it out?

[Daryl Strawberry]

I owe it to Radon to make sure we get this dub.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you can't hide a bad relief pitcher if he's there. So if it's not that moment, it's gonna be some other moment. Alan. If he's not getting the job done, he's not getting the job done.

[Daryl Strawberry]

On the road in a dome.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was his closer.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah. And he shouldn't be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's gonna be moments where I want to find out, is he eventually gonna become my closer again. You know, so I'll use him on the road. I'll use him in low leverage situations, but I'm never gonna know if he's back until I put him in some situations where there's some heat and some discomfort. Because you know what happens in the playoffs. Sometimes they let it rain in the playoffs because they don't want to have a rain out, and it's going to be cold and it's going to be uncomfortable. And I want to know if my guy that I went out and traded for is going to eventually be my closer again.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah. Mistake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I can't. It was last night, but the mistake is, is that you scored three runs and then sat on it, didn't do anything else again. They have one or two big innings a game. All right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Bottom of the order is terrible.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The point is with the Yankees, and it's okay because they're in a crap division and a crap league, but right now, they're an average baseball team. And that's going to be fine because it'll probably be still good enough to win the division. But has anybody looked at what Detroit's doing? All right, that's a good deal. Coming out of the west, all of a sudden, the Oakland A's are above. Like, there's.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Don't just pass over Detroit saying, have you looked at. And move on. Detroit might be the best team in the American League. And here's why are right now what I'm saying. But I'm seeing, like, legit best team, not just off to the best start. Let's not forget how they finished last season, 33 and 6.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Crazy record. Like, look how they got into the playoffs. They went.

[Daryl Strawberry]

They had an insane run, and it wasn't an aberration because when they started this season, they picked up right where they left off. That's a legit team, a legit threat. And you cannot look at the American League and just say, well, the Yankees are going to win the American League because they're the best team in the American League. I don't think so. That Detroit team. Scary.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the other Thing they got pitching.

[Daryl Strawberry]

They're a good team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, the American League's not good, but the fact is, is that right now the Boston Red Sox are.500. They're the only team behind the Yankees that are.500. That's how bad the division is. Yeah, but the Yankees lead over the Red Sox is a game and a half. So what are we talking about?

[Daryl Strawberry]

Which is why I said you can't give these games away. I. My starting pitcher in terrible conditions gave me a gutsy effort against another good pitcher. By the way, he had a good start as well. And so I had a win there in my pocket. I owed it to him. And I'm going to go. Let me see how Devin Williams does here. Let me just throw him out here because it's pouring out. The mound is mud. So let me. Let me bring him into these conditions. Like I said, this guy has shown you right now that he's not very tough mentally. And I'm gonna bring him into this. That's my question. It's not what Boone's saying. I understand why he says these things and I encourage it. I love Aaron Boone as a human because he knows how to treat people. But I can still wonder, why did you decide that this was the time to bring him in? And don't tell me numbers, because numbers don't tell me about the gigantic raindrops that were falling from the sky at Yankee Stadium.

[Alan Hahn]

You're saying that can be a factor in things.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Sometimes it is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nick Pavette is a really good pitcher, but he only gave you five innings. Yankees used to be able to rake over bullpens. And as there's all.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Remember, there was a 25 minute delay as well in this game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, the Padres are a really good team. Padres could very easily win the World Series. I'm just saying I'm not going to freak out over every boon decision because it seems like every time you go to the wrong guy in the bullpen, this is different.

[Daryl Strawberry]

This is a guy that shown you he does not have the stones right now to do it here in New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he's there. And you're gonna have to figure out when he is gonna get it back.

[Daryl Strawberry]

All right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Unless you're just comfortable with Weaver being your closer.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I am.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, well, he showed me.

[Daryl Strawberry]

At least. He showed me he can handle the job. I just don't know why you bring him in in this situation. If this was in Houston with the, with the wall up and the ceiling, the roof closed, I'd say, you know what? Right Cuz he's gonna have to figure out and do it on the road where you're not getting booed by your own fans. You gotta tell me that doesn't get to your head after a while that your own fans hate you. It's not always. You got like how many people, how many times a day do you think he hears a Yankee fan yells something about his beard?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I'm wondering if nobody being there might have been one of the things he thought was a good time to bring him in.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Seriously, listen here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You bring them in on Mother's day when there's 50,000 people in the buildings different than what he ate during a rain.

[Daryl Strawberry]

All the moms will be on a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Monday against the Padres who are again a good team. There's no shame.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Boone did acknowledge the booing at the stadium last night after the game.

[Aaron Boone]

I think once he gets righted and really starts to string them together, as great as he's been will show up. Then you start building real confidence because you're, because you're dialed and you have the ability to dominate. So we just got to continue to stack those and doesn't necessarily happen overnight when you go through it a little bit and we all go through it a little bit. We all go through tough times and stretches in this game and. And he'll get through it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It's not a good start for him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not. It's very, it's.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It's building up against him more than anything else. It's stacking up against him more than anything else.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's ugly. Mets beat the Diamondbacks 54 almost gave it away but a caught stealing 513 runs in the 8th inning. And the leadoff batter gets on in the 9th. But Alvarez guns him down trying to steal great tag island Orlando broke the game open with a three run home run. He hasn't been hitting in the CL at all endure even with his great start really not hitting with runners in scoring position. But that three run home run came with runners at second and third and they needed every bit of those runs to be able to at least start this road trip off with a win. So the Mets, you know have, have been kind of okay, not great. They lost the series to the Diamondbacks and they got swept in that double header against the Cardinals. But they continue the road trip in Arizona get a win against the Diamondbacks team to beat them two out of three over at Citi Field. But they still maintain their and they go game in the lost.

[Daryl Strawberry]

They go next to Chicago. They Play the Cubs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They come home to play the.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Play. Oh, Cubs. Cubs playing well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cubs are playing very well.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah. So that'll be a fun series. Old Mets, Cubs always has a little sizzle. Right. Because that's an old, old ride. A little.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Go back if you're. If you're old enough. I'm not. I was only one. But the race in 69. Well, but when the Mets came.

[Daryl Strawberry]

But there was always a little something between the Mets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

First pennant race that I was ever involved in as a fan.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was in 84.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mets, Cubs, Cubs eventually won the division. And you know, Sutcliffe, that Cub team. Leon Durham and. And I was 16. So it's like the first time the Mets were good pennant race. And I was all excited about it, but yeah, it's.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It should be fine.

[Daryl Strawberry]

What was the NLEAST back then?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The National League east was Chicago, right. Cardinals, Cubs. So we. Mets, Phillies, Expos exposure. The Braves were in the West.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, I do remember Braves.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Isn't that wild, by the way?

[Alan Hahn]

Really messed with me, too. I was like. I was like, is there a time difference in Atlanta used to mess with me. It made me think Atlanta was further.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Away, especially because the Falcons were in the west, in the NFL.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, that makes no sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it's like. So. Yeah, you're right. Because you're young. You're like, all right, where exactly is Atlanta?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Because I know the Phoenix Cardinals are in the NFC east and they're three hours behind, so what the hell's going on?

[Daryl Strawberry]

First thing you learned about Atlanta was tbs, right? The Superstation. Oh, like, was that like your first Atlanta, Like. Like exposure, where Atlanta felt like that. And what was the. The channel in Chicago used to get on. On the old Bunny Rom.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wgn.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah. So you'd get Chicago and it would all be, you know, just sitcom.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We got cable. You're. You're gonna. When I tell people this, they. Their mind gets blown. We got cable in, like, early 77. That's when we first got. It was very early. Was available to us in Hawthorne, New Jersey. I remember the. When we got HBO. The. Remember when HBO, 8:00 on Sunday. They always have the big movie. Yes, it was network. That was the big.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My parents sent me and David to bed. So they sat down, ate some popcorn and just watched Network. They're gonna watch a movie with swear words on television. Unreal. I'm mad as hell. I'm not gonna take it anymore. And such a good movie. But the thing I Got excited about wgn. So you got Cubs and white socks. You got tbs, you got Braves, sbk. So you got the Red Sox. Like, you got all this. Wait, what was.

[Alan Hahn]

What was the Red Sox?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wspk.

[Alan Hahn]

What the hell was that?

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, I don't remember that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Boston. Yeah, you got.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Boston did not remember that.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I mean, we never got that in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You had some Bruin games and you got. You never got Blackhawks back in the day.

[Alan Hahn]

They were.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were like on pay per view.

[Alan Hahn]

Bulls popped up on wgn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, they did. Hawks became a superstition. Cbs, that became a superstation later on wgn. But no, and I still believe there's a lot of Brave fans because of that.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it was a combination of. Of TBS and then them going on one of the most iconic runs ever. That combination of getting to watch Maddox, Smoltz, Glavin, you know, Dion, David justice every night. It was, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it was a 14 consecutive division titles and one championship.

[Alan Hahn]

And once you see Mark Lemke play, there's no going back. You know what I mean? That's it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

How about that run? Now think about this. You know, we always talk about teams is like, would you rather have a team that wins the division for like 10 years in a row? Like, they did that and only got one World Series? So do you look at that as a success or as a fan? Do you like, we only got one championship out of a team that was of a team of the century.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, think about it. All right, so you got the Braves. So their, their run was from when? So I guess 91.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, until 99.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Say.

[Daryl Strawberry]

99.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, 99. One championship. The Marlins, like, soiled themselves year after year, but in that span had two. Like they. They won in 97 and they won three. Like, I would rather be the Braves, but it's weird, right?

[Daryl Strawberry]

Isn't that like six years, two World Series, and then four other years where they sucked?

[Alan Hahn]

It's kind of like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's kind of like the Giants, too.

[Daryl Strawberry]

The Giants would win a World Series and be bad, then win a World Series. Oh, you mean the football Giants. Look at some of their seven to 11 Super Bowls.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, they were a really good team in 08, but there were some seasons, like they always find a way.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Wouldn't you rather. Would you rather have that than a 15 year run where you're just the best team in the sport, you win one championship, or would you rather have two in like a six year span? So it's where you're mediocre, but you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Get two because it wasn't like they got bounced early. I mean they, they lived in the World Series. The World Series couldn't beat anybody.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah. Heartbreaks left and right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then they got the, then they finally got the one against the Indians. Right. 95.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was it. Well, you know what, we got a big segment coming up. It's the same segment that we had over the last couple of weeks. But we, we got a sponsor. So it's, let's talk about it Tuesday. Can we essentially just complaining about what's on. Right. And apparently Al looked at the tv. Something just mind just blew. So we're going to go into that. Coming up next, 5:00, Spike Lee, the ultimate fraud.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I don't know about that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tone on Don Hanna Rosenberg on ESPN New York and the ESPN New York app.

[Daryl Strawberry]

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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Daryl Strawberry]

You teased this earlier.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. So there could be some people out there who this is very hard for them to accept. So without any further ado, I'm gonna just break it down and say it honestly and plainly. If you are among the people who are anti Tom Thibodeau, I just need you to know that it's over. He will be your head coach next year. That that is a done deal. The win last night secured that. So if that's gonna be hard for you, I want you to start taking the steps in advance to work your way through it. Because short of him, somehow, you know, literally, they lose by 40 points in the next four games and maybe gets to the point where he literally defecates on the floor and you see him, like, he takes his pants off on television. He takes off one shoe, he takes off a sock, starts barking like a dog.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Even then, I want to hear his side of the story 100%.

[Alan Hahn]

I at least want to hear what he's thinking. But short of that happening, the win last night was enough. Between getting through Detroit and now being up 1 oh in the second round against the Celtics. It is a done deal. Your head coach, Knicks fans, is Tom Thibodeau. Cry about it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I mean, that's solid. Yeah, that's. That's strong. And it's hard. It feels like it's hard to argue because everybody talks about adjustments. Everybody talks about all these different things. Playing players too much. Do they look tired? Do they look like they're struggling? Mikhail Bridges played 52 minutes. Did he look like he was. Anything was bothering him? He made the biggest play of the game. And the last play of the game, wrestling the ball out of the arms of Jaylen Brown. Put those two stance, stand those two side by side, put a basketball on the floor and say, one of them will win that wrestling match. You'll never look at Bridges and think he's the one that's going to win it. But he did. Why? He was more aggressive. He was Obviously wasn't tired. So all those things are starting to be debunked now. Still have to finish the job in the series and still make sure to do. You are super competitive. But getting the first win is important, man. They get another one.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they might be in for next two years.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Because here's the funny thing, though.

[Alan Hahn]

He might get an extension this offseason.

[Daryl Strawberry]

If they went to now. You know how people like to move the goalposts, as they say. Well, you won the first game, now you got to win the series. You don't win the series, it's a failure. How about that? How about that argument? Think that'll come? That'll start to become a thing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I wouldn't doubt it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I wouldn't doubt it. Because you saw the odds get cut, like more than half. Right. So the world is starting to trend that way.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It really is amazing. I had them send this from this morning because I didn't believe it when I saw it. Now I gotta find it. Odds, difference, I saw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What was it? It was like minus 900. Yeah, I got it to like minus three.

[Daryl Strawberry]

There it is. Yeah, it was minus 900 to open. Now it's minus 350. But the Celtics still favored. But that's a huge drop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because you just lost home court right now.

[Daryl Strawberry]

The Thunder also lost game one last night to Jokic and the Nuggets. They were also minus 900 going into the series. That went down to minus 320.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Daryl Strawberry]

3:50, 3:20 is like essentially the same, would you argue?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

And then the Cavs, they open that series. They play. They'll play tonight against the Pacers. They open that series minus 550 to win it. And then you have all these injuries now that I told you about. Like, they've got injuries galore. That went down to minus 220. So that's even more of like, it's even closer. And if you were going to put money on any of those. Yeah, give me the. Give me the Pacers. I think the Pacers, like +195 or something like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was going to say the team most likely to lose. I'm not going to say any of them are losing.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if the team most likely to lose because of the injuries would be the Cavs. But how crazy is that? Three favorites losing at home in game one.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's wild. It's a crazy thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

The only thing is the warriors tonight, if they win against Minnesota, that 4 for 4 to start a series that you'd Never. I don't think you've ever had that.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, respectfully, we'll get back to that. Do your job, people. Who's up next?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I guess it's. I don't know, Jacob. I'm the last one left. You went? Yeah, I think Alan went.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's the point. Don't. Respect for Alan. He was babbling on about. God knows.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That wasn't it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I got so lost in babbling about God knows what we're talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was lost in his eyes there. I forgot.

[Daryl Strawberry]

No. Well, do you have something like.

[Alan Hahn]

No, Go ahead, Alan. It's on you now.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Because this I, I, you know, going.

[Alan Hahn]

After Don is dangerous.

[Daryl Strawberry]

So just get it. Yeah, I might as well go before Don. Can we just talk about the Met Gala and how it has nothing to do with sports?

[Alan Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Just because it's called Met, it's not Mets. There's nothing baseball about it. There's nothing sports about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nothing. I would stop being a fan if that gala represented.

[Daryl Strawberry]

There you go now, again, I have nothing. I have no issues with the Met Gala. I know it is a big deal. It raised a lot of money. It's a great thing in New York City. It's a great tradition, all that stuff. I have no problem with people who want to go to it. Make it a big deal. We're going to talk to Spike Lee. He was at it last night. Right. It's not about the Met Gala. It's about how it has now creeped into sports coverage.

[Alan Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I don't even for the second straight day, I have looked at SportsCenter and I have seen coverage of the Met Gala. I think Sabrina Unescu is a phenomenal basketball player. What that has to do with her being at the Met Gala, I don't understand. I don't know what that's about. John Quail Jones, Brianna Stewart, all of them awesome.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Great.

[Alan Hahn]

Saquon Barkley.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like I don't Joe Burrow care.

[Alan Hahn]

Who else did I say?

[Daryl Strawberry]

I don't need that Savannah James as my coverage of sports. That doesn't have anything to do with sports. So please, can we just talk about separating the two things? If you're into fashion, good for you. I know Russell Westbrook used to go to this thing. Dwayne Wade likes to go to it. Awesome. It has nothing to do with sports. They're athletes in that role. They're celebrities. Put it on tmz. Put it on E. Entertainment. Put it on all those shows. Don't put it on SportsCenter.

[Alan Hahn]

I, you know, it's. It's an. It's. It's a fairly decent point. You know why sports. It does. Now, here, let me ask you a question, though.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I'm gonna get fired, by the way. It's nice work when you.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, let me ask you a question, though. What about if it was on the show that you frequent, like, if you guys were to review the outfits on Get Up, get up, to me is more of a fit than Sports Center.

[Daryl Strawberry]

The only time we do it is if it's like a completely whacked out, you know, okay. Like Kyle Kuzma and the super long sleeves. Yes. We might have showed that 50 times one season. Like, it just kept coming back because it was just that funny.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Daryl Strawberry]

Like, that's when it's like, okay, let's take a look. Like this guy just see, like, oh, look fashionable. Not a. Not a whole. Like, hey, let's. Let's check this out. What are you wearing today? I don't care if it's not Nike or Adidas. I don't care.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I know what. It's a fair point by you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love it. Great point.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Nice work with you guys, by the way. I love the people on Sports Center. They know, like, it's not about them. It's just about why we. Why are. Why is this part of SportsCenter? SportsCenter is highlights, sports information, news, fashion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's starting to change.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't want to see Brian Windhorse break down the outfits of the Met Gal.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I don't think Brian Winhorse wants to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do that either, so I'm good either way.

[Daryl Strawberry]

All right, well, that's it for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The one I'm going to rip into is myself.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because I got to learn to shut things down. Because, you know, the Mets had a great win yesterday, but I was in the arms of Morpheus because I did not see it. I went to bed. I went to bed, you know, around 11:00. Like, I. Like I do because the kids are just killing me. So when the Mets. When I went to bed, there was 2, 1 Mets. So I get the win. I recap it. I show the highlights to Marco because Lindor hit a home run, Alonso hit a home run. And then I go to social media because I want to get caught up in what's going on. That's a mistake. I should stop. Because all I see is, why didn't Soto go out to home plate and congratulate Alonzo after he hit his home run? He must not like it with the Mets. He misses being a Yankee or a thread. All the reasons why Soto enjoyed being a Yankee more than a Met. I. It's on me because these people are trolling me. And if you're being trolled, you walk away.

[Daryl Strawberry]

So it's in your algorithm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Looking at it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It's in your algorithm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Peter and I have talked about it. Peter and I. One day. It's not going to happen anytime soon, but eventually we're going to Thelma and Louise, the whole social media thing. We're going to disconnect together. We're going to go right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I want anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Goodbye.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Because I have. I have delete account. I have had my finger almost on that button so many times.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But how do you change your algorithm? Is there a way to do it.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, algorithm you could change? Yeah, you got to like, go liking a bunch of stuff that you want.

[Daryl Strawberry]

To or you do not adjust it. There's also the not interested.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is there a way to be just not interested in, like, do I sacrifice even the positive stuff about Juan Soto? Can I just wipe him clean from my social media and just watch him on sny?

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, make. Make his name. Make Soto a band name in your. Yeah, you can.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I know I'm being trolled. I know it. Because even bringing this up now, I'm going to go to Twitter and there's going to be a bunch of people that are going to troll me. Say, wearing your head. No, no, no. The reason you're trolling me is because Soto is in your head. Because you got your own issues, man. You're a 500 club, essentially. You got a game and a half lead in your division to a 500 team. You should focus on that and not worry about whether Juan Soto's happy with the Mets enough there to keep you busy. You should be wondering, hey, hey, Hal, why didn't you. Why didn't you pay Soto? Maybe you wouldn't be having these issues if you kept Soto.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. It's such a lame conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sorry. I wanted to come up with something better.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no, no, no. You're not lame. Lame. No, you're not a lame. It's lame.

[Daryl Strawberry]

That's a real conversation we need to start having.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not a lame.

[Alan Hahn]

You're not a lame. It's not that they're lame.

[Peter Rosenberg]

1-800-919-3776. I know there's a few people on hold that actually want to participate. And let's talk about it Tuesday.

[Alan Hahn]

And that I do want to see that say that let's talk about a Tuesday with now the audience for what's the word? Participation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why not?

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is my favorite song, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

I Don't Know Anything by Floss.

[Daryl Strawberry]

The other one's Iran.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know Iran.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, you know Iran.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Iran.

[Daryl Strawberry]

So far away.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, Jacob's bopping his head along like a complete doof.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Song is a phenomenal song. It's like three words to it. It's just music. It's so good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Falling in Love. This is a very. This is a better song. But play him Iran. He's.

[Daryl Strawberry]

He'll know. Iran. Yeah, he'll know. I'll. I'll play it next. You know how they got their name?

[Alan Hahn]

You think? You sure?

[Daryl Strawberry]

Block of Seagulls. No, they were called something else. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Should have stuck with it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

And, and they were in a bar. They were at like a somebody else's show. And the, the lead singer was like, oh, look, it's a Flock of Seagulls. Like just making fun of them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ah.

[Daryl Strawberry]

And it stuck with them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It worked out.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Right? Not bad. But obviously Wonder.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, there's not a. Not a one hit wonder because that was definitely a hit.

[Daryl Strawberry]

And the hairstyle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

They're like one of those bands I hear of in reference that I'm like, I. When were they a part of people's lives? Because they weren't a part of my early 80s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sue.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But for a second.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, they were here for a minute. But the hairstyle. The one guy who happened to actually be a hairstylist, which is also kind.

[Alan Hahn]

Of, you know, a lot about Flawless.

[Daryl Strawberry]

You know why our 80s on 8 was on the other day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pick up.

[Daryl Strawberry]

And Mark Goodman told the whole story. But that style, like when they Show all the nostalgic 80s stuff, that guy's hair is one of the things you always.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's always like.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Like the CNN 80s decade thing, that they always show that guy's hair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's all it represents. They represent.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm going to say this. This is a tough thing to say.

[Daryl Strawberry]

He's making fun of me right now.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's not about Alan. I rarely. I don't like to often judge a book by its cover this much. When I Google Flock of Seagulls and I see the images that come up, I can comfortably say I'm good.

[Daryl Strawberry]

There you go.

[Alan Hahn]

No, comfortably.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no.

[Daryl Strawberry]

The music's good, though. I can't help the hair. The hair is the hair. He looks like a. What does he look like?

[Alan Hahn]

Like, the music would have to be so good to overcome what I'm looking at.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But in the 80s, it wasn't that.

[Alan Hahn]

But this is Don. I'm familiar with the 80s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Even for the 80s.

[Alan Hahn]

For the 80s, this is this. Listen. I love hall and Oates. John Oates is wearing full blown, like, not even ironically, just wearing makeup. Like, it just makes no sense. It didn't even go with his look. He looked ridiculous. But it's hall and Oates and it works and it's great. This haircut, this is like.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I mean, did you see early Duran Duran? Now that's hair. That's some serious hair and makeup. Early Duran Duran, Eyeliner, the whole thing.

[Alan Hahn]

But they, again, they have a bunch of songs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Iran. This is the biggest.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Let's hear it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Okay. But like, but barely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's get the chorus. Here we go.

[Alan Hahn]

Barely.

[Daryl Strawberry]

You feel you feeling this?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't hate it, but I'm just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you hated a band or a song, to represent if you made a movie about the 80s, this song would have to be in it.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Reference to this would happen. Like, it's that they were. They were humongous and it was that big. It was a big deal.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And remember MTV kind of forced that because you wanted to leave an impression with the videos. So if you had wacky hair, if you did wore something crazy.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Oh, sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was going to leave an impression. Like, like Boy George. I was not a fan. That would not work in the 70s without video. Like that whole image had to be a video, right? Like everything, everything about them, you had to see it.

[Alan Hahn]

It maxed out at nine, so Iran. Yeah, in the Hot 100.

[Daryl Strawberry]

But nine's pretty good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's good.

[Alan Hahn]

It's, it's, it's, it's.

[Daryl Strawberry]

It wasn't. It didn't get played a lot on pop radio that was like more new wave radio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I bet you the video. Oh, yeah, got major, major play.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was just like a different world, you know, I'm in a weird place right now. Conversation that we're having.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Why is that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just because of the nostalgia and just everything going on. It feels like it's a time for Dick.

[Alan Hahn]

I am so sorry. Would you say that really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Richard of Manhattan, you're on ESPN New York.

[Richard]

Hi, Don. Peter. Allen. Fellas. The Yankee game yesterday, this is what I don't understand. Not even mentioning names. The names don't matter to me. One guy comes in, throws two pitches. He comes out of the game. He does the job, gets the out. The other guy comes in, they allow him 21 bitches and he's not doing the job. It doesn't make sense. What are you rushing the guy out with two pitches? Let him pitch the next inning. That's the rush.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Anthony was saying that when I got here. Anthony was all fired up about that.

[Richard]

What's the. He does this. You know why, Allen? It's pre programmed. It's like they're telling you you're sitting down for this dinner and you're eating the whole thing. Nothing else happens. That's what you do. The whole thing. That's it. You have to eat every morsel of everything. They know what they're doing before the game starts. It's ridiculous. There's no feel for the game. Leave the guy in there, he's thrown two pitches. I'm not saying don't bring in Williams.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll let you finish, Richard. But it's, it's. I know it's going to irritate you. It's ups. Because it does matter. Because if you go and you let him pitch the next inning, that means he's got to warm up before the inning. More pitches.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know, Don.

[Richard]

They say clean inning. These guys have clean innings and they still screw up. And guys go into the next inning and they still pitch good. I don't know about all that. Okay, next. Robinson did something I don't think has ever been done. He took 10 foul shots and he didn't take one field goal.

[Daryl Strawberry]

That is pretty amazing.

[Alan Hahn]

That's why they were.

[Richard]

I thought the game was over twice, Alan, for obviously with the 20 point lead. And then when Brunson shot at regulation rims and doesn't go left, no way they were going to win an overtime. Now. Did you guys see the Denver game? Yes, I saw something. I'VE never, ever, ever seen. Do you guys see it at the end?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, something you've never, ever seen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Richard]

14 seconds left in the game. Okay, Alan, you follow me?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Denver has the ball.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I know exactly where we are in the game.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, go ahead.

[Richard]

Six possessions in 14 seconds. The OKC coach blew it. He was so scared of the three. There's 14 seconds. What are you afraid of a three? There's so much.

[Daryl Strawberry]

He goes down well, but they.

[Richard]

Denver goes down and he fouls him on purpose. Denver makes the two. OKC comes right up and they score a quick two. Denver comes back down. They foul him again. Yes, they make the two. OKC comes down. Denver fouls right away. He misses the two. Denver comes down and they hit the three. OKC comes down. Desperation Allen. Six possessions.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Remember, though, they were.

[Richard]

That's almost mathematically impossible. It's possible OKC coach should be fired. He was so screwed up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Yeah, that's.

[Alan Hahn]

That was. He's firing that coach.

[Daryl Strawberry]

He was really good on the Mitchell Robinson stuff. The Mark Dagno thing, though, that. That's. That's what you do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Should be fired.

[Daryl Strawberry]

You foul.

[Alan Hahn]

You can't. Well, no, your goal. Your goal.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Don't give up a three.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't give up the three. Extend the game, and your guy needs.

[Daryl Strawberry]

To just make free throws and you win the game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The frustrating thing about Richard, there's one thing.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Jay. Well, Jay, Will was mad this morning about one thing about that game, not Richard. It was. It was that they fouled too soon in the backcourt and it allowed Jokic to come into the game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Joker was at scores.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Like, you got to wait longer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Daryl Strawberry]

And keep Jokic out of the game. But they did not do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The thing with the pitchers, he's been getting on with the relief pitchers and why you take guys out. Don't let him start the next.

[Daryl Strawberry]

Well, old people like me, we don't understand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I gave him the answer. The ups, getting up, warming up, this is all part of the equation. But the problem with Richard is two plus two is four. I don't get it. Yeah, it's four. I don't understand. Well, that's the answer. It doesn't matter if you understand. That's the answer. You call and ask the question why? I tell you why. You don't accept it. I don't know what to tell you. You want the answer? The answer is four. You don't accept it. I don't know what to tell you. Can't change it. Two plus two is never gonna be three or five. It's gonna be four.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Daryl Strawberry]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Don Hahn]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.