Hour 2: Yankees & Talk About It

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Yankees & Talk About It

Date: October 7, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Podcast Theme: A quintessential New York sports hour blending baseball and hockey breakdowns, calls from passionate fans, and a big-picture look at why “super teams” may be good for sports.

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Main Theme and Purpose

This episode dives deep into the Yankees’ postseason struggles, opening night for the Rangers, and broader shifts in sports—from team-building philosophy to the meaning of greatness in the modern era. Through caller debates, personal reflections, and some classic NY banter, the trio explore whether current approaches—especially the Yankees’ “home run or bust” philosophy—can deliver under October pressure. The second half widens out to consider why sports might be suffering from too much “parity” and not enough dynasties.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Yankees Playoff Hopes and Lineup Flaws

• Broadcast Scheduling Drama (01:14–03:35):
  Debates over potential conflicts in local broadcast schedules, given the Yankees, Rangers, and other matchups overlapping.

• Must-Win Mentality vs. Lineup Construction (10:28–16:37):
  A passionate caller (Vinnie from Staten Island) blasts the Yankees’ “free swingers” and reliance on home runs, calling for more “table setters” and traditional small-ball. The hosts dissect the merits and pitfalls, noting that while homers rule, the lack of adaptability is costly.

  “GM Carlos Stanton is a human strikeout... You cannot win four series with free swingers like that. You need table setters.”
  — Vinnie (10:36)

  • Hosts push back:

    • Yes, contact hitting and athleticism work—see Toronto—but the Yankees point to last year’s deep playoff run as proof their approach “can work” (11:57).
    • But the real issue is, when the homers dry up (as this year), their approach looks hopeless:

      “But here’s why the argument’s not good this year. They’re not even hitting home runs now, so nothing’s working.”
      — Alan Hahn (14:01)

  • Analytics vs. Feel:

    • Don: “But what I’d like to see is the happy medium...the ground ball to second with a runner at second moving them over...can work just as well as the solo home run.” (13:09)
    • Alan: “It feels like this style, when it’s not clicking, you look really bad.” (14:27)

2. Rangers Opening Night, Booth Changes, and NHL Traditions

• Rangers’ 100th Anniversary Game Ceremonies (02:10–04:48):
  Don and Alan reminisce about opening nights and prior milestone ceremonies at MSG.

  “If they’re dropping the puck at 8:08, all’s good. Let everybody that’s going to the game tonight, just be aware. 8:08, that’s all you gotta worry about.” — Don (03:15)

• Broadcast Booth Shakeup (05:24–07:26):
  New Rangers radio crew; Don celebrates Dave Starman as a savvy hire:

  “This guy is a savant when it comes to hockey... He knows every player, he’s worked every angle.” — Don (06:10)

3. Knicks Season Anticipation & NBA Parity

• Knicks as a True Contender? (08:30–09:58):
  Alan calls this the “most anticipated season” of his career covering the Knicks and stresses the significance of a strong start in chasing the 1-seed. Don notes, “Nobody had Cleveland as a 1-seed last year…”

• Drama in the NBA: Giannis Watch and Load Management (09:58–10:17):
  Alan foreshadows “the layer of drama is… Giannis,” hinting at superstars’ off-court sway.

4. Baseball’s “Corny” Celebrations

• Are Dugout Props Absurd or Fun? (21:15–24:44):
  Conversation detours to MLB’s latest dugout prop craze (e.g., Mariners’ trident, Blue Jays’ home run jacket).

  • Both hosts mock-dangerous and corny props:

    “Can you imagine a scenario...they’re celebrating in the dugout and the trident just catches someone right in the eye?” — Alan (21:50) “Of every baseball injury you’ve ever heard—eye gouged by a trident!” — Don (22:45)

  • They conclude sometimes “corny is fun,” but recognize it can feel forced.

5. Sidney Crosby: Greatness Wasted?

• Should Superstars Stay on Non-contenders? (28:12–33:02):
  Don laments the possible ending of Crosby’s career on a struggling Penguins team:

  “Sidney Crosby should be playing in big games, not having his season end in April every year towards the end of his career.” — Don (30:18)

  • Alan: Crosby’s loyalty is admirable, but “if it ever came to that point, I would discuss it... but I don’t feel like I’m there.” (31:10)

  • Both recall Crosby’s draft history, ties to Mario Lemieux, and speculate—where would he best serve the league? (32:33–33:49)

    • Alan: “The best place for him, for the sport... Gretzky to the Kings. Messier to the Rangers. That sizzle.” (33:02)

6. Have We Taken “Parity” Too Far?

• Parody of Parity in Modern Sports (34:29–40:54):
  Alan’s “Talk About It Tuesday” take: parity has watered down leagues, draining the sizzle of super teams and clear villains.

  “I miss having super teams and teams you hate... it just matters. The NBA became what it became because they had stars in the biggest markets.” — Alan (39:04)

  • Don agrees:

    “Parody…I think what you’re saying is, my sport is very average and that’s never good.” (40:13)

  • They lament the current NFL, with “no gold standard” teams, and echo that sports thrive on lore built by dynasties and stars in major markets.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On analytics and hitting philosophy:
  “There’s really incredible extremes with this type...because when you strike out, nothing good could happen. It’s the same as shooting a lot of threes.” — Alan (14:27)
• On Sidney Crosby’s loyalty:
  “He probably feels an obligation to be there. But this kind of player that still has a lot left should be playing games beyond the regular season.” — Don (29:39)
• On the frustration of parity:
  “Parity…I think what you’re saying is, my sport is very average and that’s never good.” — Don (40:13) “I miss having super teams and teams you hate and teams you gun for.” — Alan (38:16)
• On dugout celebrations:
  “Can you imagine if the Pirates had a saber, or a hook for a hand? And it catches someone right in the pitching elbow?” — Alan (24:24)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:14–03:40 – Local sports broadcast juggling (Rangers/Yankees game logistics).
• 10:28–16:37 – Vinnie from Staten Island on Yankees “free swingers” and the hosts’ philosophy debate.
• 21:23–24:44 – MLB’s “corny” dugout celebrations and possible injuries.
• 28:12–33:49 – Sidney Crosby’s legacy and “should superstars leave struggling franchises?”
• 34:29–40:54 – “Talk About It Tuesday:” Are we suffering from too much parity in sports?
• 42:46–46:45 – Caller Connor in Scarsdale: Yankees’ uphill battle vs. the Blue Jays’ hot streak.

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Tone & Style

The episode is unmistakably NY: direct, funny, a little cynical, but deeply passionate about sports. Banter is laced with personal experiences and wry analogies—baseball bats to “torpedoes,” musings about mascot mishaps, and fond 80s music memories—making the sports analysis both accessible and entertaining.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Show

Expect incisive, if sometimes nostalgic, breakdowns of Yankees and Rangers news, candid takes on the changing landscape of all major sports leagues, and a reminder that in sports—just like in New York—sometimes you need both the drama of dynasties and the chaos of upstarts to keep the passion alive.

Transcript

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Like when he holds it.

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All right, don't get upset. This is all just an order of importance.

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Of say it importance.

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No.

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To this show. To this show.

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In order of the station.

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Important.

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The Rangers open up their hockey season against the Penguins with coverage following Dan Grasser right here on the first 30. Yankees look to keep their season live against the Blue Jays. Game 3 coverage on 1050 following Mariners. Tigers baseball may never start.

[A]

Only because there's no basketball.

[B]

No, we need to find out. I'm serious. Because there are people that care about these things, right? What happens if this game gets delayed to the point where it's playing while the Yankees have the first pitch? Will they take the Yankee first pitch and say bye bye to Mariners and Tigers? Or is there someplace else?

[A]

Can they put them on free? I believe that the plan is that at the conclusion of Tigers, Mariners, then Yankee coverage will occur.

[B]

Okay, so I don't.

[A]

Wait a second. And on 880, once Rangers coverage is over, you will hear the conclusion of Yankees.

[B]

Now when's. When are they going to drop the puck at the garden? Because it's nine.

[A]

Seven.

[B]

I'll say it's the 100th anniversary. I'm just telling you. All right. Because I don't know if you know this or not. I used to do the Rangers for 20 years.

[A]

Okay. I was not familiar with.

[B]

And I did a lot of opening nights because Kenny's a rumor early in the season between football and national hockey coverage and everything.

[A]

John Giannone on the call tonight.

[B]

And I was there, so I would have been on the call, but something suddenly came up.

[A]

The 90th, you're on assignment.

[B]

The 90th anniversary. I was there at the Garden.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they had the ceremony. They brought all the form arrangers. This is the hundredth anniversary. I dropped that puck at like 10:15.

[A]

I don't know if they're doing that whole thing tonight.

[B]

Oh, because it's on national opening ceremonies.

[A]

Where they're going to announce the players and they have named, I think, seven or eight games where they're going to do different centennial things. And I've heard from sources, which I can't reveal of courses, I believe that player Intros are at 8 and the anthem is going to be around 808.

[B]

Well, I know who has that kind of information because he used to give it to me, and I will not reveal either, but that's very trustworthy.

[A]

Well, it's good because I would always.

[B]

Get asked by this individual when I'd be on the road, when's puck drop? And sometimes you don't know and then you got to run around and you ask. And so when the anthem. There's no two anthems tonight. So if they're dropping the puck at 808, all's good.

[A]

All right, so let everybody, everybody that's going to the game tonight, just be aware. 808. That's all you got to worry about.

[B]

But it's going to be crazy, man, because believe it or not, are they.

[A]

Exhuming like, Lester Patrick is and then bring them out, like, what are we doing here? Like, if we really sell, like, we're going to celebrate it. You got to do it the right way. Holograms of like, wow, that's a good idea.

[B]

We have the Harry Howell.

[A]

And give me some other names. I'm struggling with you, Andy. Bath gate.

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Yeah, go. Go way back.

[A]

Am I good?

[B]

Bring the big brothers back. Oh, sure.

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There you go.

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Yeah.

[A]

I gave you Lester Patrick.

[B]

You did give me Lester Patrick.

[A]

Come on. That's a good pull.

[B]

Who, like, who played in a Stanley cup final game at the age of, like, 41? And everybody went, oh, my God. And here I am, 57, looking at that, going, that's not that old. I think Chris Chelios was like, hold my beer. I played defense till I was 47.

[A]

Give me a break. Wasn't Tim Thomas like 38, 39?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Well, Brode, or play past 41 years old, whatever. But the thing is, is that this is what's amazing about New York to me, because it's hockey, and you know how much I love hockey. But it's game one of 82, all right? And Sid coming to town isn't like it used to be because the Penguins aren't very good. But it still said that place, it's still going to be full. Like, that's what's Great.

[A]

The Yankees are playing must win game tonight at the stadium. And the Garden will be filled for.

[B]

Hockey tonight, and they will give you updates because I stopped off at the Ranger Devil preseason game last week, and that was when the Yankees were playing the Red Sox, and I was watching on the computer, they were showing, like, highlights every time a Roma scored and building. Like, it's pretty cool how. And if there was a Nick preseason game or. Same thing. Maybe not a preseason game, but, you know, I mean, a regular season game.

[A]

They were doing it last year in the preseason during the Yankee run and the Met run. They were. They were doing that.

[B]

Yeah.

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Garden vision.

[B]

That's the fun part. Pretty cool. So it's gonna be fun tonight. Listen, it's.

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It's.

[B]

It's game one of 82. I get it. But it's opening night, so it's always fun. New head coach back. New head coach, new captain in J.T. miller. And since we're on the subject, we'll get right back to the Yankees. I wish maybe nothing but the best for those guys. And I'm gonna miss him 20 years I did Rangers, and it's a completely new radio booth now because Dave and Kenny both went to TV to replace Sam and Joe, who retired. So good luck to those guys doing television. And Dave deserved the job. So happy he got the job. But Alex Faust is gonna be the primary radio guy, which is awesome. And then you're gonna have a brand new analyst, Dave Starman, who, again, everybody's a little apprehensive because he never played. This guy is a savant when it comes to hockey, all right? He's been on the NHL Network doing color for world juniors forever. He knows every player, he's worked every angle. He's been deep into the college history, and he knows his Rangers and he knows his NHL, and I think that is a tremendous hire. So looking forward to getting him back in the fold here at this radio station. John Giannone's doing the game tonight because Alex is doing baseball, but nothing but.

[A]

Starman is a guy who will be. He is incredibly prepared. He knows he'll have every detail. That's what will make it a great listen is his the wealth of knowledge about players and their backgrounds and their stories and what he sees on the ice, all of that combined. That's why it's great that he's getting this opportunity, too.

[B]

So it's pretty awesome that hockey's getting started. Devils, Alex Thomas, by the way, I don't want to forget he's the Harford Wolfpack announcer is going to be filling in for Alex when Alex has to fill in for Kenny when Kenny's doing all the things that he does. So it's a new booth, it's a new year, but we're looking forward to it. Devils and Islanders will get their stuff. Open it up. I'm not going to have a game against Carolina because that game is going to be on espn. So my first game is going to be in Tampa on Saturday.

[A]

Saturday, what time?

[B]

Seven.

[A]

Seven. Okay, lock it in.

[B]

And will the Islanders open up with. They've got a game on Thursday.

[A]

Put me on a spot.

[B]

Well, I figured you're the one person.

[A]

That would know staring at me. You covered the forever because Thursday I have a game too.

[B]

Oh, they got the Penguins too.

[A]

Okay.

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And then the Rangers go to the Penguins coming up in the summer. So a lot of next preseason.

[A]

Thursday night, by the way.

[B]

Cool.

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This time it'll be at night. I'll be doing sideline for that one. And then the last two I'll be calling.

[B]

I love the fact that there's like so much stuff busy.

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Yes.

[B]

And then there's football. Despite what we've seen. No, they still play. They still play. And listen, I love football, man, but you can lose a lot of face offs. Yankees keep winning, there's going to be stories. This is a big Knicks season coming up, but I know it's regular season basketball. Some people might roll their eyes when there's this much anticipation for a team like the Knicks. These games are going to matter. Oh, and by the way, Giants and Jets if you want. I know it's football and everybody talks about football. I love football too. But you know what? If you're going to lose every week, there's not going to be a lot of conversation around you, man, in this.

[A]

Market you'll become secondary. People will still watch and they'll care. But if with all the other stuff that's going on, including of course the Yankee potential run if they can win tonight, keep it going. And this. Look, I'm not big on hyperbole. You know how I am when it comes to the Knicks. I try to keep it like under promise, over deliver. This is the most anticipated season that I've ever experienced covering this team as a writer or a broadcaster.

[B]

Part of incredible. And I understand it's regular season basketball, but when you are anticipated to be a one seed and I think need to be a one seed to make a run and these games are going to matter, you start taking a series off, you start, you know, missing here and there and then. Because who's going to be that team? Nobody had Cleveland on their bingo card to be the 1 seed last year, right? So who's going to. Who's going to come out of nowhere? It's not going to be Boston, it's not going to be Indiana.

[A]

I got a team. Detroit.

[B]

Detroit, yeah. So all of a sudden you let a couple of games slip away because, oh, it's only October, November, these games are meaningless. And all of a sudden we get to April. Why am I the two seed, not the one seed? Why am I the three seed instead of the one seed? So listen, I love Knicks basketball, but you also have a new coach. Rick Nixon, Ranger, both have new coaches.

[A]

You have a new coach with a new system and a new style of play that he's trying to implement during the preseason, which is interesting. So there's a lot of that. The first 20 games you got to figure out and get through which is going to make it compelling and watch. But then on top of it, there's always some. It's the NBA, so there's always another layer of drama.

[B]

There's always a story.

[A]

And you know what that layer of drama is? It's Giannis. Well, he's not going.

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We're going to get into that a little bit later on, but I'm saying he's not going. The other thing too, and I don't think it's going to change because you got a new coach. But the one team that takes the regular season seriously, the one team that doesn't load, manage, are the Knicks. So they bring every night.

[A]

We'll see.

[B]

Well, I said new coach, we'll see. But still, I don't think they're going to go from like 0 to 60 on this thing. They're still going to be fun to watch. Let's go to Vinnie Staten Island. You're on espn. New York. What's up?

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What's up, guys? Guys, I'm going to give you a reason why the Yankees will can't win World Series. Too many free swingers in the lineup. GM Carlos Stanton is a human strikeout. He just got to take him out of the lineup. Chisholm is another human strikeout. The leadoff hit is a human strikeout. They got to go back to the traditional way of playing baseball. You need table setters. You cannot win four series, three or four series with free swingers like that. The only guy everybody's on judge, but he's actually hitting what the pitchers give him. He's getting Base hits. He's not getting no pitches. You don't get pitches in the playoffs when you're a good hitter. They're not going to give you nothing to hit in a series. Not like the regular season where you can just load up and hit home runs. You're gonna hide, you're gonna see good pitches, and you're gonna get tough pitches to hit, and they gotta tone it down. You gotta play a little snowball and you gotta get table setters.

[A]

All right, Vinnie, just. Not that I disagree with you, because I've. I missed the old way, which is why you really have an appreciation for Toronto and how they play. Right? That's how they play. But I do have to ask you, though, how did they get to the World Series last year?

[C]

Did they win?

[A]

But did they get there? You said they can't win, but they won three Series.

[C]

Everybody gets a trophy. Everybody gets a trophy. No, no, no, no.

[A]

You said you can't. Like you said you can't get. You can't win three Series. They won two Series and got to that third Series playing their way. They. I know they. No, no, you're fighting me and we're on the same side. What I'm telling you. No, no, What I'm telling you is that's their response, is, see, our way works. See, it works. So you and I could watch Toronto play and say, see, that's baseball. And I appreciate that. That's how you're supposed to play. Get on base and really cause havoc and be athletic. And the Yankees say, no, no, no, no, our way works. Look, we. Look, we got there last year.

[B]

Well, and he didn't. And you didn, because you kicked the ball around and you didn't have the fundamentals to be able to win that Series.

[A]

Yeah, they'll argue that if we were better defensively, maybe we would have won.

[B]

But it's interesting because I agree, I think all three of us agree, the approach needs to change this. Home run or nothing, right?

[A]

I agree, too.

[B]

They disagree. They believe home runs are where it's at. Because you know what they're going to tell you. All right? Everybody talks about Toronto making contact, putting balls in play. They hit five home runs on Sunday.

[A]

That's a good point.

[B]

All right, so they're hitting home runs. The brewers who don't hit home runs, hit home runs last night. I mean, home runs are still a way to score.

[A]

Actually, the team that wins championships every year usually is the one that hit the most home runs.

[B]

But what I'd like to see is the happy medium, just like with the analytics, that every once in a while in a big spot with, hey, maybe with the bases loaded, nobody out, that you're not thinking about a grand slam home run when the game's two, nothing that maybe just making the contact and getting a single and tying the game could actually work. So if you want to say our philosophy is to bash the ball, launch angle, exit velocity, all that stuff, fine. But at least give me every once in a while where the ground ball to second with a runner at second moving them over to third. And a sacrifice fly can work just as well as the solo home run. And putting the ball in play can actually get teams to kick the ball around the way the Yankees did last year.

[A]

Isn't that how they beat the Red Sox?

[B]

Right. Yeah.

[A]

Wasn't that game three?

[B]

Yeah. Put the ball in play, make the.

[A]

Guy have to make a weird catch on a humpback liner.

[B]

So.

[A]

And he couldn't do it.

[B]

They're not going to change, unfortunately. But I do wish, just like the analytics, they leave a little wiggle room to kind of change it up just a little bit every once in a while, not be so reliant on the home run. But here's why the argument's not good this year. They're not even hitting home runs now, so nothing's working. They're not making any contact. They're striking out way too much, but they're not hitting home runs. And when they do hit home runs, they seem to be in very meaningless situations. That's the difference.

[A]

It feels like this style when you, when it's not clicking, you look really bad. Right? Because it looks unreal. Like, we'll all, we'll all remember. Let's go way back to the torpedo bat days. Those, those couple of games at the start of the season, they looked like. That looked a lot of fun, didn't it? And we were blaming the battle. It must be these crazy bats. No, they just. It just was. It was clicking. But we also know that when it doesn't click, it looks terrible. There's really incredible extremes with this type.

[B]

Of, type of play, because when you strike out, nothing good could happen. It's the same as shooting a lot of threes.

[C]

Well.

[B]

They'll say, well, but at least you could hit threes.

[A]

But if I miss him, it looks really bad.

[B]

The only positive striking out is if there's a runner on base I didn't hit into a double play.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

But otherwise there's no productivity. There are ways, if I put the ball in play, maybe they'll make an error. Throwing error. Ball goes between his legs, maybe it finds a hole. Something can happen. There's a greater probability that changes it. And you would think in analytics, wouldn't I want the probabilities to be on my side if I put the ball in play?

[A]

No, in analytics you're about absolutes.

[B]

But unfortunately, if I swing that way, there's less of a chance of me hitting a home run. If I choke up, like I tell my 8 year old son when I'm coaching him in baseball, we get two strikes. I'm still old school, I got no computer. So I'm just telling him two strikes. Protect the plate. All right. Gotta widen the strike zone. You gotta choke up, you gotta shorten your swing. No, these guys 3, 002, doesn't matter. My job is to hit the ball 400ft. That's what they're saying to you. Unfortunately, the byproduct of that is a lot of strikeouts. If I try to cut down my strikeouts and make contact, I hit less home runs. They don't want that. They don't want. They don't want the answer to be less home runs. Believe me, Michael argued this with Boone all the time. I understand. It is their philosophy.

[A]

Think about our mentality though. Aaron Judge is 8 for 18 in the playoffs. And what are we saying?

[B]

Not hitting home run, he's only got one double.

[A]

So what? So he's eight for 18. So he's putting the ball in play. So he's getting on base with little base hits. Because he's shortening. Like you said, he's shortening his swing. He's getting long. Counts eight for 18. Look. Oh, he's setting the table. Problem is, is that you don't expect that from him.

[B]

You want a little of both. But you know what I would say? Hey, one of the reasons you beat the Red Sox was because a ball that should have been caught off the bat, a judge that was ruled a single, helped you win that game and stay alive.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Right. So if he struck out on that play, the Yankees don't score, maybe don't win the game. And they're not even in this and.

[A]

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[A]

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[A]

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[A]

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Yes.

[B]

Let's go to John. He's out in Pennsylvania. You're on espn, New York. How are you, John?

[A]

How you doing, guys?

[C]

First time we're talking. I. I just wanted to let you know you do a great job. Thanks for the entertainment. Love it.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

The. Has anybody looked at the Guerrero stats against rodin tonight? He's hitting.588.

[A]

Yeah. And he's. He's. I was looking at his number. You know, it's funny you say that. It's. It was the last thing on my mind during the last break, and then I got distracted. I know in this series he's. He's already red hot. So if he's now Facing somebody that he really likes to. To see that. That, you know, it could get even worse. Let me find his split and I'll get back to you. Career.

[C]

The only reason, yeah, the only reason I'm asked, I'm bringing it up, is I. I think we got to start pitching Guerrero like. Like we treat Judge. I mean, you know, tie him up a bit. You don't give them too much to hit. Let somebody else beat you. I. I don't see the point in pitching to him regularly right now, but they seem to be doing that. And if you switch it around and you look at the Yanks lineup Tonight, Judge is 1 for 13 against Bieber with 8Ks. I did not know that because I think they used to handle Bieber pretty well, but that one surprised me.

[A]

I'll give you this off. So Vlad, 10 for 17 with a home run, five RBIs and 21 plate appearances against Carlos Rodan.

[C]

Four walks, so I under four extra base hits. I mean, that's not great. And to your point, he's. He's super hot right now. Don't even pitch to him. Let somebody else be. Well, I mean, if you're gonna go down, don't go down being proud and trying to strike him out.

[B]

Well, you got to make sure because Varsho killed you the other day, right? So it's nice to walk Guerrero, but you got to get the other guys out, too. You got to pitch him careful. And if you lose them, you lose them. But I'm with you. I've got to treat him. He's got to get the Judge treatment. With those numbers, the way he's doing, what he's doing in this series, he's got to be treated like Judge and Bonds and all that, man. It's crazy. But it can turn different venue. Can you imagine how that building will react if he gets struck out, you know, and just retired? I think people would look at that as some sort of a moral victory.

[A]

They really gotta get on his case. What do you think of the jacket? Their home run jacket, that sport coat.

[B]

I find all those things corny. The Mariners with their trident.

[A]

The trident. What if somebody looked in the eye?

[B]

Stupid furry garbage they're doing.

[A]

Well, that was the green monster thing. Can you imagine, though, with the trident, this like, it's pointed fork. Baseball has the craziest injuries in the history of any sport, right. Could you imagine a scenario?

[C]

Brick killed a guy.

[B]

Yeah, Brick killed a guy with a trident.

[A]

Could you imagine they're celebrating in the dugout and try and just catch Someone right in the eye.

[B]

Don't you find it corny?

[A]

Well, of course it is, but of all things, a sharp object.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Of all things to have in a dugout with just filled with people jumping up and down, going crazy. It's just like. Let's just carry around this pitchfork real quick.

[B]

Kyle Riley out for the playoffs because after he had a home run, he.

[A]

Poked himself in the eye with a trident. By a trident. Wait. Of every baseball injury you've ever heard, I gouge by a trident.

[B]

Yeah. That would be right up there with. Who was. The Giants. The Giants reliever afield. Jeremy Affel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Went on the cut himself trying to separate frozen hamburgers with a knife.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I remember that.

[B]

He had to go on. The Il guys threw out their back lifting their kids.

[A]

But that's different. I'm talking about just the phrase I gouge by a trident are things you just would never hear. Not only in the 21st century, but. But in baseball. I mean, there was the times where the Orioles were doing like, the pie.

[B]

Face and pie, and everybody after the games are like walk offs.

[A]

Yeah. It got to the point people were getting injured. That. Yeah, they had to stop that.

[B]

Then some poor guy with an egg allergy, you know, breaks out, can't play the next game.

[A]

But of all sports, though, it would be baseball. Something like that would happen because.

[B]

Because these corny celebrates. I.

[A]

Again, what happened to Raleigh? I think they're even when I gouged.

[B]

By a trident, you know, with the Mets, with the. Oh, my God. It was fine for a little while holding it up, but it's.

[A]

At least it's a chain with like. That's harmless.

[B]

No, I. Well, I'm not worried about the injury. I just think they. They get corny after a while. They just do. I'm just being serious. Like, remember when the Yankees had the celebration where somebody would pretend that they were the cameraman?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It's funny the first time and then it just. It gets a little corny. But whatever. Baseball's a little corny. And that's kind of why we love it. Right? It's like, sometimes corny is fun. Why do I listen to yacht rock? Because it's corny. This weekend was the top 40 songs of 1980. So we're right in a wheelhouse of, like, corn pone. And I loved every second of it. You know, I'm listening to Stacy lattice saw. Let me be your range. I'm listening to that and blasting it in the car. I'm lucky. I Didn't get pulled over for just being corny. But sometimes being corny's fun.

[A]

It's comfort food, but it's still corny. But it doesn't mean that you sell it. Like, what team's gonna have a crossbow? Like, it's just like, imagine if the Pirates had like what pirates have with like a sword or something. A saber? Yeah, pirate saber. Like, oh, go. Yeah, right. A hook for a hand.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And the hook just keep. Can you imagine if it catches schemes like right in the pitching elbow and just rips it open? Like it just. Who has it? I mean, really, who has a trident in the dugout?

[B]

Right?

[A]

You see it, it's not like it isn't sharp. It's got a little pointed top to it.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Three of them. And not once do you think football was corny.

[B]

The New England Patriots, they'd be like firing muskets after they beat the Bills. Well, they do, but I'm talking to players, like, after a touchdown.

[A]

Well, in Tampa, they shoot the cannon, bro.

[B]

But the players don't. The players are doing this. It's not like somebody with some yo yo in a mascot uniform is throwing a trident up whoever hits the home runs. Running around the dugout with a trident.

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[B]

Talk about it Tuesday. Sponsored by BetterHelp. Mental health is health. I was just looking at pictures of Stacy Latticel and see how things went over the last 45 years.

[A]

On a work computer. Jake. On a work.

[B]

It's all good.

[A]

Computer.

[B]

It's all good.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

I wanted to know who was singing a song. That's all. I knew the name. I just didn't. I wanted to put a face to the name. You did.

[A]

All right.

[B]

And now that's been done.

[A]

It's stuck in your head now. You know, that's like that one time I searched that Snoop Dogg album that.

[B]

I wasn't supposed to, and what happened?

[A]

HR Call Doggy Style.

[B]

Really?

[A]

The COVID Oh, yeah. Have you seen that cover?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Just searching it. What could have possibly come up?

[A]

I must die. Be like that. Listen, I searched it without the Snoop Dogg and it did. Oh, that's right. You forgot to say Snoop Dogg.

[B]

Yeah. Milk was a bad choice. That was a. That was a bad choice. Well, my. Talk about it Tuesday, since it's the start of the NHL season, Sidney Crosby's in town. It. It bothers me and I. I understand that Ranger fans, especially Ranger fans, have no love for Sidney Crosby, but I appreciate greatness. I appreciate how good he is.

[A]

Do you think they still like.

[B]

I just think it's. I just think it's in the DNA. Right. You're not going to love the guy.

[A]

Respect him, though.

[B]

But like Ovechkin, we should all appreciate seeing this type of greatness. But Sidney is so well rounded that he's somebody. You could have plopped him down in any era and he would have been great. I think that when it's all said and done, Sidney Crosby is going to be one of the top five players in the history of this league. And he's in Pittsburgh. And I've talked about it with Penguin fans when I was out there. You got to trade this guy. You'll get something for him. But they re signed him and they doubled down. They started getting other players. They go out and get Carlson, they re up with Malkin, they re up with Latang, try to get another championship for Sidney Crosby, just like the Giants tried to get another championship for Eli Manning. And look what happened. And now Pittsburgh is going to be an also ran with one of the greatest players on the planet. And I feel bad for Pittsburgh. That could have gotten better, but I feel worse for Sidney now. He feels an attachment to that franchise. They were facing bankruptcy before he got there, and now they're one of the top earners in the National Hockey League. And he probably feels an obligation to be there. But this kind of player that still has a lot left should be playing games beyond the regular season, should be doing great things for a team that's got a chance to win a Stanley Cup. I'd like to see him playing in meaningful postseason games. I'd like to see him have a chance to win a Cup before he retires. And because they wanted to hold on to him and because he's a good guy and didn't want to demand a trade that it looks like as great as it is that he's going to play for one franchise, this is not how a great player should go out with maybe four or five non playoff appearances or exits in the first round and not getting a chance to sniff a championship. And I guess the same could be said for Malkin too. But Sidney Crosby should be playing in big games, not having his season end in April. Every year towards the end of his career.

[A]

He has an interesting quote. Emily Kaplan has a story about this on ESPN.com and the quote from him is, if is as if he's not denying that it's a. That's a narrative, right? It's not. He's not saying how ridiculous of a notion that is. Everything you just said, he's not denying any of it. His quote is, I know that if all my energy isn't towards what it needs to be, then I'm not giving myself the best chance for it to be successful. He said, though, if it ever came to that point, I would discuss it, but I don't feel like I'm there. So he's letting you know that, yeah, if we reach a point where the season's going nowhere and there's an opportunity for me to go somewhere, then I'll think about it then, but I'm not thinking about it now.

[B]

Yeah, I'd like to see it. We'll see.

[A]

It's the only place he's known since he's 18.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Here's how long he's been in the league. I covered his draft. I was there.

[B]

Well, he. His draft, he ended up in Pittsburgh because it was the. After the lockout. So going into the 0506 season, they didn't think it was fair to use the draft from the year before when Washington won the draft lottery and drafted Ovechkin. And then there was no season. So they actually put everybody in the lottery. Anybody, any of the then 30 teams could have landed Sidney Crosby.

[A]

We all thought the Rangers were winning it.

[B]

Everybody's like, do you remember the last two teams? Do you remember who had the second pick and who it was? It was between Pittsburgh and this team when it came down to the final.

[A]

The final draw 20 something years ago.

[B]

I know it was Anaheim. And they took Bobby Ryan, who was.

[A]

A really good player, but he's Sydney Cross. But New Jersey Bobby Ryan.

[B]

Yeah. South Jersey kid ended up playing in Ottawa for a while, too. But that's how Sidney got into the league. And he roomed with. With Mario. Got to play with Mario at the beginning of his career, he roomed.

[A]

When he lived in it, he lived in it.

[B]

So it really worked out well. Pittsburgh, even though they were facing bankruptcy, still one of those teams because of Mario, that kind of had a national appeal and all that. But I just. I just think he deserves better. I think Pittsburgh could have moved on from him. So we'll see.

[A]

Where would you like to see him?

[B]

Well, listen, everybody would like to see him in a big market. You like to see him with the Rangers or the Flyers or. Or maybe on the East Coast. I mean, I wouldn't want to see him out West.

[A]

He's an Ontario kid, right?

[B]

No, he's. Oh, no, no.

[A]

He's Nova Scotia.

[B]

Nova Scotia. That's why all the rumors are that if he goes anywhere, it'll be Colorado to play with Nathan McKinnon, and that would be fine. I mean, the Colorado Avalanche have a sexy appeal because that's where WA and sack it came. But I just want to see. I want to see him playing big game. I want to see that kind of.

[A]

Greatness play the best place for him, for the sport. Well, you know, again, Gretzky goes to the Kings. That sizzle, right? Messier goes to the Rangers. Sizzle?

[B]

What?

[A]

Those kind of moves. When Patrick Wall went to Colorado, it wasn't sizzle, but it turned into a team went on.

[B]

The Rangers would be good, right? Because that's where Gretzky ended his career. Went to the Rangers to have New York Rangers at a place where you.

[A]

Want to bring in a guy like that.

[B]

No. And. And the Blacks aren't in a place, like I say play with Connor Bedard, but they're. They're in also RA too. Boston. They're in the middle of a rebuild.

[A]

No.

[B]

So that leaves. When you look at original six, it leaves Detroit. Detroit's interest, you know, an interesting team. Right. And so that would probably be good for hockey.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Philadelphia is in a rebuild. That's another really popular team.

[A]

He went to prep school there, I think.

[B]

Yeah. Did he went. He went to Saint.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's, what's the name of the. It's going to bother me now anyway. I don't want to spend too much time. Yeah. But Minnesota to play with Caprice off, that would be, that would be really cold. But it looks like he's going to stay in Pittsburgh. But this conversation we had off the air.

[A]

Shaddock, by the way. Yeah.

[B]

Shattuck, Saint Marie. That in other sports there would be something going on to get him to go to a certain market. And we started kind of talking about how things like that don't happen anymore. And that's what irritates you.

[A]

Yes. So what I want to talk about is watching football last night and seeing. Let's, let's go back to the end of yesterday's show and Peter throwing darts. Yes. And I just was about the Buffalo Bills and like you can't have 100% faith in them now. Right. And I said, no, of course I do. And he thought it was a bad take. And I'm thinking, well, if you're paying attention to the NFL beyond, you know, 30, 31 other teams exist and if you pay attention to those teams, what you're seeing right now is there is no God. That team is like the team no. 1. Everybody has flaws. There are some teams that are interesting, but no one stands out. Even the Eagles now, like they're, they're talking about the Eagles like they could go into. They could really start struggling here because they lost their identity. They got away from a running game. Like there's a lot of stuff now being said about the Eagles that they're not the same team. There's them, the packers that we thought were going to be this team that's going to run to a Super Bowl. How have they looked? All of a sudden we have questions about them. So I look at the Bills and what happened to them against the Patriots and I think that was more about the Patriots, that maybe we forget. That's a well coached Patriots team and Drake May is the next guy. And as much of a Jets fan you hate to say it, they found their next guy before. You still have found your. Right now when you look at the Bills, they are fine and they still to me are the most complete team in the afc. The Ravens a mess. No. Burrow again in Cincinnati. Then watch the Chiefs last night. And while it looked like they were about to win that game, it just shows you once again anything can happen in the NFL when there's Parody. So the Jaguars, who with a offensive minded head coach, have finally starting to get more out of Trevor Lawrence and that improbable play to end that game last night with him falling down twice and then still ending up at the NFL.

[B]

That was incredible.

[A]

Yeah, it was incredible.

[B]

Thought he scored too early, but it turns out this is not the same chief.

[A]

Exactly. So the Chiefs aren't the Chiefs like we knew them. The Chargers we thought would be good. We don't know. Now we're thinking maybe Denver is that. See what I'm saying? What's happening in the NFL is that it's spread around now. There is no IT team. Even the Chiefs that you hated and you were tired of seeing them, they're not the evil empire anymore. There aren't those teams that exist. And while that's nice because it's fair and look at how many teams have a chance. I can't stand it. NBA is like that. The NHL is the one that you could say, well, if you come out of Florida, you probably have a chance to win a Stanley Cup. Otherwise, no, like, at least in the NHL you could say there's what, four teams? Three. Right. And like a year after year you kind of know they're going to be there. I feel like to me we've gone too far now with this whole idea of fairness and parity. I miss having super teams and teams you hate and teams you gun for and teams that we know about year after year that are always there every year. Every year you know that in the end there's about three or four teams that are going to be there just because of who they are and what they're about. Like, why do we need to make sure that you know that. That Pittsburgh has a chance to win, which obviously in this case they don't, especially in baseball. But that's them not trying. I just, I cannot stand what's happening in sports. It's become too much parody and I think it's taken some of the sizzle out of it. That's how I feel.

[B]

Well, you want, I need.

[A]

I also want, like this. Your big markets should matter. They should matter. You shouldn't be sending your best players to small market. That's why the Sidney Crosby thing you and I talked about, what really got me he should be in a big market because he's a big time player. Because that helps a sport, especially a.

[B]

Regional sport like baseball and hockey. Right. You could overcome it in basketball and football because the stars are bigger than the teams. So Peyton Manning could be a Star. In Indianapolis. LeBron James could be a star in Cleveland. But in baseball and hockey, it's hard.

[A]

I even think it wasn't great when he was in Cleveland. It wasn't great. It's way better. He's in la. Way better.

[B]

Well, unfortunately now it'd be even better if it was, you know, 20 years ago, of course.

[A]

But because look at Kobe. Like, it's like that. It just matters. The NBA became what it became because they had stars in the biggest markets. It mattered. David Stern recognized that.

[B]

You know, Magic and Bird went to Boston and la.

[A]

Yeah. But then from there, everybody else had to find their. I mean, Michael was in Chicago, Patrick went to, went to New York. Like those things started to build the league up. And then this whole idea is like, well, we got to get some stars and sharp. Like, I just feel like it's nice to a point, but when you water it down to where it's this level, that's the kind of football we're getting this year. We're getting football that is not high level football. And we're getting too many teams now that have more, they have more, more things wrong with them. Right. I don't even know if I'm making the point the right way, but in the NFL, it's really what got me is the NFL is watching the game last night and it told me that there are more teams with flaws than there are teams that are just really good.

[B]

Yeah, there's no, you want that gold standard now. Nobody wants to see, you know, the Cavaliers, warriors, every single year. But if you give me five, six really good teams that I know what I where I have to go to get there. Because if you're telling me there's no great teams, then you're telling me that there's no great football, there's no great hockey, there's no great baseball, there's no great basketball. You want to see greatness so that you release something in between. But parody, I think what you're saying is, is my sport is very average and that's never good. Well, that was. Let's talk about a Tuesday. And I was sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit betterhelp.com timeout today for 10% off your first month of therapy. 1-800-919-3776 Don Juan de Rosenberg take you up until 7:00 clock here on ESPN.

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[B]

I was blaring this this week. It was number 40. It was the first song on the countdown.

[A]

It's a white girl.

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's a white girl, Jacob.

[B]

No, I saw the pictures.

[A]

No, no, no, no. That's a white girl. That sounds like a white girl, but she's trying to.

[B]

And her album went to number four in R B.

[A]

It was like when Donny Osmond was sounding like Michael Jackson, but you could hear enough to know that Donnie wasn't. That Donnie was not Michael.

[B]

And I know that's not great, but I just enjoyed that. I was 12 years old. It took me back to a different time. I bet it did. The different time. Let's get back to the busy phones at 1-800-919-3776. Dive back into the busy phones and let's go to Connor in Scarsdale. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Connor?

[C]

Hey, good afternoon, guys. The issue I'm having as a Yankee fan, I think is I'm not alone on this is. I mean, a lot of things have to go right for the Yankees. We got to get judge hidden, you know, for a little more power. Stanton's got to pick it up. But even if we get our offense clicking, it's not going to matter if they keep playing. If the Jays keep playing the way that they are. I mean, they're hitting at a historical rate here with their offenses.

[A]

But do you really think that, like. Like, that's the thing. They were. It was almost comical, right? Like, you got to feel like there's no way they're they can't possibly keep this up. If they. If they scored on the 10 runs, all you do is tip your cap and go, my God. They must have known everything that was coming, right?

[C]

I hope. I don't think they could keep it up for much longer, but, I mean, all they need to do is one more game. You know, I'm gonna do it for. All right.

[A]

Be crazy, but it's hard to believe they could keep that kind of a pace up.

[C]

I. I just like a helpless feeling, you know, where it's like we're kind of more relying on them not playing as well as much as.

[B]

Here's the thing. But Connor, you just nailed it, too. It's a combination of things. They've been outscored 23 to 9, right? So, yeah, they're not going to keep it up. They're not going to score 23 runs. What's the average of. They're not going to go out there and score 12 runs tonight. But the Yankees got to do a better job. I know they scored those five runs in garbage time, but they lost 10, 2 and 13 7. All right? So the bats got to come alive. So even if you do a good job and hold the Blue Jays to a normal like 5, 6 runs, 4 runs, are you going to score the 5 needed to win the game? Because that's been the problem with the Yankees forever. Yeah, defense killed them against the Dodgers, but they didn't hit on a consistent enough basis either. That's always been what's killed them. Not so much the pitching. It's been just a lack of hitting. And both have existed now. Now you're throwing kerosene on the fire. You're not hitting consistently, you're not hitting home runs. And, oh, by the way, you're pitching has been brutal. So now you need both of those things to get better. So what's. What makes more sense? The Blue Jays coming back down to earth offensively, okay? But now the Yankees got to get better offensively and better pitching. They got to do two things better.

[A]

So they scored 18. 18 runs over the course of seven innings through two games. They bridged two games, right? So this was it, the seventh. It was the. Right. They had eight runs in the last. Right, in the seventh and eighth inning, right?

[B]

Because there was. It was a two. One game, right?

[A]

So they had eight runs. Seven, eight, nine. And then they scored 11 runs. One, two, three, four.

[B]

Right?

[A]

So it's 19 runs.

[B]

19 runs over seven innings, over seven innings.

[A]

And everything else has been normal, right? One run, one run. Yeah, four runs in the rest of it normal. So was that just that seven, seven inning stretch between two games? Like, is that reality or is that just bad pitching and them just being ready?

[B]

I just think what they are going to do.

[A]

The seventh and eighth innings were insane. The bullpen blew up.

[B]

You hope the Blue Jays are just hot and they cool off. But are they hot or are they just. They're hitting bad pitching. I'm sorry, Freed was bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, was that a case of the just in the Blue Jays are just smoking right now or is this, you know, free didn't have it and that's a good enough offensive team that they're going to expose bad pitching? That's what the Yankees are supposed to be, right? Yankees are supposed to be eating up bad bullpen. They're supposed to eat up bad starting pitching. Yeah, right. That's supposed to be their mantra. That's why if you love. If they can win tonight and then they can have an opener tomorrow, then you could see getting to a Game 5. But it's not cooling down the Blue Jays bats. Can somebody with the Yankees pitch?

[A]

Yeah, that would be helpful.

[B]

Somebody give him some innings starting tonight.

[A]

Los on you.

[B]

Let's get it done.

[A]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.