Hour 3: Aaron Glenn's Superpower & Van Wyck

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

Hour 3: Aaron Glenn’s Superpower & Van Wyck
Date: February 24, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Podcast: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This lively hour brings the trio’s signature New York sports banter, shifting between hard-hitting football talk—centered on Aaron Glenn’s self-proclaimed play-calling “superpower” and Jets’ drama—and a hilariously detailed debate on the pronunciation of Queens’ infamous Van Wyck Expressway. Expect skepticism, strong opinions, and plenty of inside reference to New York culture, plus listener call-ins that keep the conversation rooted in everyday fandom.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. NFL Combine & Fan Obsession ([00:43]–[03:39])

• NFL Combine Satire: The “Underwear Olympics” is in full swing, with the crew poking fun at the obsession over minute combine stats and the way they translate (or don’t) to real football success.

  • "Watching the combine as an adult is the equivalent of a kid watching TikTok and then swallowing a bunch of cinnamon because the video told him to." – Don Hahn [02:45]

• Fantasy GM Syndrome: Candid reflections on fans who think their fantasy league credentials make them real GMs.

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2. Aaron Glenn & The Jets: Superpowers, Truths, and Fat Hands ([05:04]–[22:13])

Aaron Glenn’s “Superpower” – Play Calling

• Claim: Glenn, Jets head coach, calls play-calling his “superpower,” citing his growth in Detroit and excitement to reclaim that responsibility.

  • “To me, play-call is my superpower. Really, doing it for four years in Detroit…just look at the maturation…how I improved as a play-caller. I miss doing that.” – Aaron Glenn [05:12]

• Hosts’ Skepticism: If it truly is his superpower, why didn’t he use it last season, especially as the defense struggled?

  "That's like, seriously, the Avengers...aliens are coming down and they are destroying the city...and Iron Man's like, just watching from his perch."
  — Alan Hahn [06:41]

Accountability & Organizational Influence

• Ownership Dynamics ("Fat Hands"):

  • Woody Johnson’s alleged interference in coaching decisions becomes a debate. Glenn insists ownership is supportive, not directive:
    • “The only thing he’s doing is supporting…he is not pushing me to pick coaches…he is not pushing me to operate this team a certain way.” – Aaron Glenn [09:42]
  • Hahn and Don are dubious.
  • "The owner controls the narrative. ... You think Aaron Glenn's gonna say, Woody forced me to hire these guys? ... He's not supposed to do it. He's the coach of the team. He's being employed by Woody." – Don Hahn [10:30]
  • Rosenberg draws a hilarious analogy:
    • “It’s like dating...I’ve heard the stories of the cheating, but, no, not with us. ... Why is this going to be any different, man?” – Peter Rosenberg [15:04]

• Coaching Mistakes and Narrative Control:

  • Discussion of whether Glenn is truly empowered—or just the public face of decisions made above him.
  • "It's not good that he got everyone wrong." – Don Hahn [12:11]
  • "You don't have a quarterback. You got one of the toughest schedules." – Don Hahn [21:03]

Admission of Mistakes

• Glenn speaks on learning from errors:
  • “There are mistakes that I made that I won’t replicate going into this season. I feel really good about my growth process…” – Aaron Glenn [19:55]
• Hosts’ Reaction: Hahn notes that absolute statements like this can come back to haunt a coach in New York.

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3. The Great Van Wyck Debate ([26:36]–[49:47])

Pronunciation Chaos in New York

• Trigger: Peter flags that all the traffic reporters on New York radio say “Van Wyke” (long “i”), not the street-level “Van Wick” everyone else uses.

  • “How have I been living in New York almost 20 years…never heard a real life New Yorker say anything but the Van Wyck...All of the traffic people here say Van Wyke.” – Peter Rosenberg [27:54]

• Industry vs Local Custom:

  • Alan recounts an incident where a traffic reporter adamantly insisted “Van Wyke” is correct, per the family’s wishes:
    • “He was adamant, 10 toes down, ready to fight, when I was like, man, we all call it Van Wyck.” – Alan Hahn [28:21]
  • The hosts debate when common usage overtakes “correct” pronunciation.

• Notable Exchanges:

  • “At what point are you not wrong anymore?” – Peter Rosenberg [29:48]
  • “The family's right. We're wrong. But the fact is, we've been wrong so long, we're now right.” – Don Hahn [49:40]
  • “You have your time. Statute of limitations.” – Alan Hahn [49:43]

Pop Culture & Listener Call-ins

• LL Cool J, Lost Boys, classic Seinfeld, and Coneheads are pressed into service as evidence for “Van Wick.”
• Listeners cite examples where mispronunciation just becomes the norm (e.g., “Theisman” as “Thighsman”; “Dorsett” to “Dorset”).
• The technical origin: The family did reach out to traffic reporters to insist on long “i” [31:14].

Lighter Moments

• Don: "There is a highway to Satan's rectum. It's the Cross Bronx." [36:08]
• Extended, comic spirals about New York roadways and the psychological impact of decades-long mispronunciation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Context | |-----------|---------|---------------| | 02:45 | Don | "Watching the combine as an adult is the equivalent of a kid watching TikTok and then swallowing a bunch of cinnamon because the video told him to." | | 05:12 | Aaron | “To me, play-call is my superpower… I miss doing that.” | | 06:41 | Alan | "That's like, seriously, the Avengers... and Iron Man's like, just watching from his perch." | | 09:42 | Aaron | "He is not pushing me to pick coaches...he is not pushing me to operate this team a certain way." (on Woody Johnson) | | 10:30 | Don | "The owner controls the narrative... he's being employed by Woody." | | 15:04 | Peter | “It’s like dating...I’ve heard the stories of the cheating, but, no, not with us. ... Why is this going to be any different, man?” | | 19:55 | Aaron | “There are mistakes that I made that I won’t replicate going into this season..." | | 27:54 | Peter | “How have I been living in New York almost 20 years…never heard a real life New Yorker say anything but the Van Wyck...” | | 29:48 | Peter | “At what point are you not wrong anymore?” | | 36:08 | Don | “There is a highway to Satan's rectum. It's the Cross Bronx.” | | 49:40 | Don | “The family's right. We're wrong. But the fact is, we've been wrong so long, we're now right.” |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• NFL Combine & Fan/Fantasy Culture: [00:43]–[03:39]
• Aaron Glenn/Jets Coaching & Ownership: [05:04]–[22:13]
  • Includes Glenn’s superpower, accountability, and organizational commentary
• Van Wyck Pronunciation Debate & Call-Ins: [26:36]–[49:47]
  • Pop culture, listener stories, New York city-specific mispronunciations

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, irreverent, and proudly New York-centric.
• Hosts shift rapidly from pointed critique to tongue-in-cheek humor, always with a heavy dose of skepticism toward official narratives (especially team/ownership statements).
• Plenty of inclusive, familial banter—both among hosts and with callers.

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is an excellent sampler of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg at their best: incisive yet approachable sports talk with sharp local flavor, anchored by the group’s chemistry. You’ll come away with a healthy suspicion of team PR, an appreciation of how language evolves on city streets, and a few good laughs over the perils of driving in and pronouncing New York.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

It's over now.

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Flat out.

[Alan Hahn]

And here, here, the underwear Olympics. And here we go now. Here we go with all the underwear Olympics conjecture and the, the, you know, the measurements. We're measuring young men. Now we're going to put that stuff out there. And this is now where somebody's going to make a terrible draft decision, right?

[Don Hahn]

So there's a quarterback that threw the ball 100 yards through a concrete wall, but his vertical just was not what we were expecting. So we're not going to.

[Alan Hahn]

He has small hands though, Don. So, you know, wait a minute.

[Don Hahn]

He was undefeated and didn't lose a game?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Threw 10 touchdowns a game. But did you see his hundred yard dash? My God, it's embarrassing.

[Alan Hahn]

He's so smart.

[Don Hahn]

But he threw the wall. He threw the ball through concrete. Yeah, but you know What?

[Alan Hahn]

We timed his 40 with a sundial. Like it's just no Good.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. But did you bring out the stopwatch at home?

[Don Hahn]

No. Good. You see his wonder lick? Did you see it? He actually licked the paper. You wonder.

[Alan Hahn]

Wonderful. Oh my God. This time of year. I know football fans. This is their spec. Because your team isn't winning or losing like there's no winning or losing right now. There's only just hope. And I told you hope is a dangerous thing. Hope will drive a man insane. I told you this already.

[Don Hahn]

All right. If you're watching the combine, all right and I'm not saying that I wouldn't pop it on or just, you know, I'm not saying there isn't value to it if I'm a general manager. But watching the combine as an adult is the equivalent of a kid watching TikTok and then swallowing a bunch of cinnamon because the video told him to like it just there's the peer pressure of well, you're a football fan. How you're not watching the combine.

[Alan Hahn]

You're supposed to know all this.

[Don Hahn]

Come on. It's not a combine until Rich Eisen runs the hundred yard down.

[Alan Hahn]

A bunch of guys just running 40 yard dashes. That's enjoyable.

[Don Hahn]

You're not. You won your fantasy league doesn't make you a general manager. But that's kind of how life is. You know, every caller is a talk show host. Every fantasy owner is an actual gm. Everybody think they can do better than everybody else. You know, but they got stopwatches now calling watching play by play of hockey games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You didn't know that, right?

[Don Hahn]

I've seen a 1.75 to 1.85 and

[Alan Hahn]

the thing is this had better not be if it go if it's in drop madness.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, I can't.

[Alan Hahn]

I need it to be. I need it to be eliminated in the first. It's not going to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't you don't have more respect for our show.

[Don Hahn]

Don't let this come the tool bracket that he would be in and it

[Alan Hahn]

would still be low the nit.

[Don Hahn]

And the other thing is, you know, get in right now. Okay. If you call me a more and again we're going to meet up. You know, look up the address of station. Every day I walk out of there and I don't see him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you wait for. And you're waiting.

[Don Hahn]

I'll keep waiting. Nothing. We're going to meet up. I'll call whatever. Well, we're going to also I just completely disagrees the worst caller in the world.

[Alan Hahn]

We're going to be in a public place next in Two weeks, right, The Irish exit. That's it.

[Don Hahn]

We'll throw hands. But the other thing, to get a new stopwatch between 1.7 and 1.8. Dude, if you got a good stopwatch, we should know the exact number. No?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. What are you doing?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, not between.

[Don Hahn]

Bad call again. I'm going to get a frame and a stake and a mallet and I'm. And it's going to be in a load bearing wall. They're going to have to take down the wall. Like we'd like to take this thing. Can't take it down. We'd have to actually compromise the next one.

[Alan Hahn]

It's like in 2150 when there's just rubble left in Manhattan, that wall will be up and that sign will still be there.

[Don Hahn]

Still be there. Hope you enjoy it. All right. So Aaron Glenn spoke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, he sure did.

[Alan Hahn]

Good lord, we're going to do this.

[Don Hahn]

The slug doesn't do it justice. It says that he's confident in his play calling.

[Aaron Glenn]

To me, play call is my superpower really doing it for four years in Detroit. And man, just look at the maturation of those four years of how we improve every year and how I improved as a play caller. I really miss doing that and I think it's a huge part of helping us become the team that I see us become. Team that new mood, see us becoming the team that Woody sees us becoming.

[Don Hahn]

Do we have like, did anybody follow up with then why did you not do it last year?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's your superpower.

[Alan Hahn]

We did get really okay, why'd you let Steve.

[Don Hahn]

Why didn't you call plays last year?

[Aaron Glenn]

Well, that's a good question.

[Don Hahn]

Very good.

[Aaron Glenn]

First time head coach and really wanted to do it the right way. I felt like the best decision for me was to allow someone else to be able to do that so I can manage the game. As the seasons progress and I start getting to the end of the season, I start to feel like, you know, I can still call and be able to manage it just as well. And again, I'll be honest, I miss being the play caller. You know, I miss being able to be in the fire with those guys, being able to talk to the Mike linebacker, being able to be in the meeting room and try to put a game plan together to be successful against another team. So, like, all those things came into it for me and I'm excited about this opportunity. I'm excited about moving forward in that direction.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, what role does he serve with the jets again? I can't remember.

[Don Hahn]

He's the head coach.

[Alan Hahn]

A head coach. So does he have the power to do all the things he just said at any moment during the season?

[Don Hahn]

Well, if he had the power to just tell Aaron Rodgers to go scratch, I would think he'd have the power to take the play calling back now,

[Alan Hahn]

to be able to talk to the Mike linebacker, to realize that our defense. This defense sucks. It's not getting better. And my defensive players are not happy with Steve Wilkes and. And the things that he is deciding to do, and it's really causing some disruption to a point where our team looks like a joke. And maybe as the head coach, I probably should at some point say, let me just. Let me take a game and call some plays and let me get this thing back on track. Steve, thanks for your service, but I'm going to take this from here. And instead we're just going to let this thing circle the drain until the whole thing just completely flushes out. That's. That's what we did last year. But that's my superpower. I didn't want to share it. That's like, seriously that the Avengers, like, aliens are coming down and they are destroying the city. And the Avengers are like, let's let this run for a minute. We don't need to. You know, Iron Man's like, just watching from his perch, just going like, we're not ready for this yet. We're not. We're going to give it a minute.

[Don Hahn]

Superman's I could fly and save them, but I got a lot going on. I got a lot going to.

[Aaron Glenn]

Cheers.

[Don Hahn]

Or maybe.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe let me let Aquaman handle it. Well, Aquaman, there's nothing happening in the water. Well, maybe he can do it. No, let me let him do it. I don't want to. I don't want to step in front of him right now. Let Aquaman cook.

[Don Hahn]

Peter tell you. Peter, Peter will tell you that we would get into it with Michael because, like, I do think there's a sports lie and then there's actual lies. I don't. Again, I'm not. I'm not God. But to me, like, lying in sports is not a sin because you have. Sometimes you're forced to not be genuine. So I'm not ever going to call Aaron Glenn a liar, but he's being disingenuous here, all right? He. He. You know, they're gonna make it. They're gonna make it seem like he fired all. Every. All his entire coaching staff. He did that. Now he decided not anytime. Last year, he decided, now I'm gonna Take over the play calling. Come on, man.

[Alan Hahn]

He addressed that, too.

[Don Hahn]

I get it. You can't. You can't do it. You can't tell the truth. I understand that, but you're being a bit disingenuous. Let's skip to that. On the perception Woody was involved in off season changes.

[Aaron Glenn]

You get respected in this league by winning. And when you do that, there's certain narratives that just really change. And I think there's a narrative about this team. I think there's a narrative about me, about our general manager, and about Woody that really needs to change. And here's how Woody operates in this situation. I have an opportunity to go in there and speak with him about my vision on how I see the coaching staff, my vision on how I see the team. And Woody's answer is always, what can I do to help? What can I do to help you be successful? And I feel fortunate to be in a position to have an owner that operates that way. So I would really like that narrative to change it. That he's involved. He's trying to force me. A move to do certain things, man. He's there to support. He's always been of support. And the only thing I can speak for is myself and my relationship with him, and it's been outstanding. So I guess to answer your question, he is not pushing me to pick coaches. He is not pushing me to operate this team a certain way. The only thing he's doing is supporting it. And I feel fortunate to have an Owen like that.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

You know, sure. You do realize Michael made this point earlier today, and it's. It's spot on. You know that there's the. That when you get fired, you can't speak. Right. You don't. You can't go on shows, you can't talk about anything until you get another job or whatever. And that's the owner protecting himself, because the owner's never wrong. The owner controls the narrative. And then when you get fired, you're not going to get paid. If you talk about me in an ill way, if you say that I was fat hands, if you say that I forced you to do something, I swear, at some point, Joe Douglas is going to tell the world that Woody forced me. I can't wait to draft Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But he can't say it until the contract expires. And by then nobody's going to care. Right. That's what owners do. Owners are able to control the strings. Like a marionette puppeteer. Yep. And then deny it after. And nobody's gonna call them on it because they're all employees. You think Aaron Glenn's gonna say, woody forced me to hire these guys. Woody forced me to fire these guys. Woody forced me to be the guy to tell Rogers to go, he can't do that. He's not supposed to do it. He's the coach of the team. He's being employed by Woody. I do agree with him. He'd love to change the narrative of Woody being fat hands, but he'll do everything he can. But it's disingenuous. It's not true. There's no way. In one year. In one year, he fired all the coaches. He wanted these guys, Allen. He wanted them, Peter. And then in one year, they're all gone except him.

[Alan Hahn]

I will say that I think Aaron Glenn looked at at the end of the season. I think he probably realized it during the season in games, saying to himself, yeah, we got to do better with coaches. I think he really did believe that. And then he went out and said, I can't have inexperienced guys here. Like, I got to get some people that know what they're doing. Of course, that's why he did what he did.

[Don Hahn]

But there's no way.

[Alan Hahn]

What he did with defense was get somebody that isn't necessarily the big name like we thought he might, because he had it in his head. And I'm going to run the defense because I want it my way. And he got an offensive coordinator that's been a head coach that can just handle the offense. And it's simply similar to Rex in that I will worry about the defense. The offense is you. You do what you do.

[Don Hahn]

But the idea, hopefully it works, that he picked everybody and then decided, I got to let everybody go. That's not good. That's not good that he got everyone wrong.

[Alan Hahn]

But, Don, they couldn't hire anybody.

[Don Hahn]

They couldn't hire anybody.

[Alan Hahn]

You remember that. But they tried to interview people. Nobody wanted the job.

[Don Hahn]

But I listen, this guy, the one thing you got to say about Glenn, he's got bravado. He's got confidence in himself. And I. I think Wilkes was either a favor or it was somebody in the organization saying, I think your DC should be someone with some head coaching experience, a little older, a little wiser to help you. All right, maybe once again, I could be all wet on this, but I just. I really feel the narrative all along was going to be, let's make it seem like he's in charge of everything. I don't think you're Bringing in a guy, never been a head coach before, and he's the one getting rid of Aaron Rodgers. He's the one that's hiring all of his coaches without any suggestion. He's the one that decides all the coaches have to be gone. And his superpower couldn't be used in the first year, but now needs to be used in the second year.

[Alan Hahn]

The Rodgers thing really gets me because I do feel like there's a lot of Woody in that, but I also. I will. I'm. And now I'm just throwing it out there. I think there was a lot of Parcell's influence in it, too, and I think that. That he was getting advice from Bill. And I think one of the things Bill probably said was you can't have a. Like, you're a new coach. You can't have a guy like that in the room that's going to undermine you. And they made that choice to move on from them. That's what I think that was about.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sure now. Now the one thing after thinking about it, that might blow up my whole conspiracy theory that there is somebody else pulling the strings. That would make sense.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

And I hope it's not true that Glenn came in and think, I got this, man. Dude, this can be easy. I can't wait to win with this team. And then went like, midway through, it's like, oh, boy, this is way harder than I thought.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

My God. And now, like, I got to make some changes here.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Like, this is hard. And I just can't believe that he was that conceited. But you do hear him talk about, like, all the great things they did. Dude, you did some great things, but you weren't Buddy Ryan in Detroit, for Christ's sake.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it was.

[Don Hahn]

It's a little. The whole thing's a mess. I'm sorry, what are the fat hands.

[Alan Hahn]

He just is.

[Don Hahn]

He's a nice guy. Just. He's fat hands.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, but the owner. Fat hands manifest themselves in different ways. Some owner. I've seen every owner who's once accused of being super fat hands saying, I don't do anything anymore. Oh, he doesn't do anything. All he does is support us all. He somehow, Jerry Jones, your Dan Snyders, your Woody Johnson's, they all are once accused of fat hands. And then they say, now I figured it out. I never get in the way anymore. But for some reason, everything continues to be the same. And I then don't believe the current coaching staff who always thinks that their situation is different than the Last coaching staff that we don't know. He doesn't do that with us. I know he used to be. It's like, dating. Well, I've heard the stories of the cheating, but, no, not with us. I mean, no, I haven't looked at his phone, but I'm pretty confident when he goes out at night, he's telling the truth. Why is this going to be any different, man?

[Don Hahn]

And also, doesn't it manifest itself in different ways, too, Peter? To where? Like how your fat hands. Like, I don't think Woody's like, you're going to do it my way or the highway, buddy. You hear me sticking a finger in it. He's not doing that. That's an interesting decision, Aaron, but how about this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you consider this?

[Don Hahn]

And now this is the guy paying you. Oh, by the way, this is the guy that offered you a contract that nobody else was offering you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mm.

[Don Hahn]

He's giving you a chance that nobody else was gonna give you. So you think you had a fight with him, or you could be like, I want to make the guy happy. It sounds like he doesn't love my idea, so I'm gonna go with his idea. That's how I think it gets done. Right? And that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's be honest, that's how most people. Unless you are completely privileged. Right. That is how most people handle the recommendations from your boss. All three of us. All three of us, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Or your wife.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All three of us. I think we do a pretty competent job at our different broadcasting places. And if the main boss in any of those places said, yeah, I notice how Don, at the end of the game, you've been saying, let's stick a fork in this one. I think it would be better if you said, this one's. This one's going straight to hell. Don would go, wow, straight to hell. That's an aggressive play on the Devil's Thing. But if it came directly from the owner.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guess what you're hearing that night when the game ends. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's how it works.

[Alan Hahn]

Even if it was instead of. And this is probably what he does instead of it being. You should try that. Like. Like, you know, I was thinking this. I really like that. Like, you just kind of. Well, you know, I'm seeing this, and it's like, all right, well. And then he likes that.

[Don Hahn]

And then you can go, I don't know if I like. Well, I get it. I get. Think about sleep.

[Alan Hahn]

Do you. You know, do your thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why don't you give it a Listen, I'm not, I'm not here to get in the way of you.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, no, give it a try.

[Don Hahn]

Give it a try and see if it works for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

See how just.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Paying you $5 million a year, you know, like, he know. I, I really think that's the way it goes. It's all, it's all semantics and these guys know how to do it. Like, the reason I brought the wife is like, I'm sure Natalie doesn't have to tell you whether it's a look, whether it's an action, whether it's a sigh, you're like, you know what? You're probably right. Like, I'm a big fan of Ocean's Eleven. I like the original, but the remake with, agree with Brad Pitt and George Clooney.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, of course, I've only seen the remake. Yes, go ahead.

[Don Hahn]

When they're, when they're getting everybody together to decide. You need 11 guys. They got 10 guys. They got 10 guys. And Brad Pitt's like, his arms are full, his head's in his arms on the bar. And George Clooney is like talking to himself, but to Brad Pitt saying, you think we need one more? Yeah, yeah, you know what? I think we need one. Brad Pitt never moves, but he keeps, he convinced it because he obviously there's a, there's a, there's a language without having to say something that you get your point across. And it doesn't have to be a finger in the chest. It doesn't have to be a yelling, screaming match. You just, I just pay you $5 million a year. I have a suggestion. Try not taking my suggestion. And yes, and, and you're a first time coach, Peter. So it's not like, oh, no, coming in with wings jingling, jangling, saying, oh, you know what? Blank you. I'm going to do what I want. No, he's not in a position.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're a first time coach. You haven't proven anything yet. And let's be honest, we, you know, it could be over for this as a head coach for Aaron Glenn. We don't know. Not everyone gets the Robert Sala situation. To fail in New York and then two years later get another head coach shot. That's not a guarantee

[Don Hahn]

too. But you brought up Robert Sala. Isn't it interesting? When Robert Sala got the job in Tennessee, he said the same thing. I didn't call plays. Yeah, but now I got a chance to call. Why didn't you call plays in New York because your owner told you not to call Plays.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And then. So it's almost like with all the guys fired Alan, it's almost like Glenn was fired and rehired. Just. Just happened to be by the same team he was.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's right. Salah told that story right. Too much. The line, though, that's stand. I don't know if we have the cut, but it's. This is the line that I think will come back to haunt him more than the one you just said. The superpower line.

[Don Hahn]

What's that?

[Alan Hahn]

It's him saying there are mistakes. He said he doesn't want to dwell on 2025. Play this.

[Aaron Glenn]

And I'm not going to do out too much into 2025. But I do know this. There are things that I know I have to improve on. There's mistakes that I made that I won't replicate going to this season. And I feel really good about that. I feel really good about my growth process going to my second year as a head coach. And that's something I really thought about for a long time.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay. There's mistakes I made that I will not replicate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The dance being one of them. Continue.

[Alan Hahn]

But just understand that you know, everything you say can and will be held against you. And that's what happens when you aren't winning. So there's. There's a litany of mistakes that he made this season. And I promise you he'll. He'll make one again. He'll repeat one and that. And, you know, the, you know, again, the, the sharp. The sharp pencils that are documenting the season, they will make sure to find them. He's speaking in absolutes. This is his.

[Don Hahn]

He's.

[Alan Hahn]

He's great in the off season. He's speaking in absolutes right now. Again, he's starting to feel it. I, I just, I cautioned him, man,

[Don Hahn]

I should be about wins and losses. You don't have a quarterback. You got one of the toughest schedules. They got to get one.

[Alan Hahn]

No, they're going to get a quarterback, Don, like Darren Muji. This is his time.

[Don Hahn]

I know. Let's see.

[Alan Hahn]

This is about him now. And it's the.

[Don Hahn]

Let's see.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. I know, let's see. But this is really his most important time right now with the extra draft picks with it. With a second overall pick that might not be valuable to you more than it is to trade and get more picks for. I find that to be right now, looking at this draft, that should be an option. You can remake this roster and Darren Mujee can establish himself starting with the combine Going through the draft and free agency that going into next season, roster wise, they are a better team.

[Don Hahn]

And Allen, you know, in the end they want a ring, right?

[Alan Hahn]

In the end.

[Don Hahn]

In the end they want a ring.

[Alan Hahn]

They do want a ring.

[Don Hahn]

A ring in the end.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

End.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, yes, yes. And I need 1.75 seconds to have this open for me and then I can see how you are putting down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, you did a great job, Don.

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To me, play car is my superpower.

[Alan Hahn]

Really, Don? I mean, that's your superpower. And my superpower of course is home improvement.

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, it's Don Hahn and Rosenberg. It's ESPN New York. You know the vibes hanging out with us on YouTube or on the app or on 8:80am Wherever it is for you guys. We appreciate you having you. I have to hit you guys with a Delayed. A quick, delayed, miniature. Talk about it Tuesday. I didn't have one earlier. I have one now. It's a small thing, but it's a big thing. I just was listening to our traffic update and noticed yet again that what said is the Van Wyk. And when I brought this up during the break, I said this to Anthony. I went, how has no one mentioned to her that she's saying Van Wyke? And Anthony goes, it must be a traffic thing. All of the traffic people say the Van Wyke. And Don, this is now what bothers me. Our business, because traffic is part of our business, and they are broadcasters. People do not listen or talk to people about being better. How are all of the. How have I been living in New York almost 20 years? I've been coming here my entire life. I've never heard a real life New Yorker say anything but the Van Wyck my entire life. And all. All of the traffic people here say Van Wyke. How is that possible, Alan?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I'm glad you said that. I don't know if Don remembers this, but years ago, I filled in for K1 time with you, Don, I believe. And there was a man who was doing traffic then. I want to remember his name, but it was live. It was like we interacted with him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, right, right.

[Alan Hahn]

And he. And I actually said, like, it's the Van Wyck. And, man, he took it personal and he attacked me. No, not. Not like, it was kind of in jest, but was, like, completely defended it, saying, if you look up the family name, it is pronounced Van Wyke. And that New Yorkers have said it wrong for years. And he said, I'm not here to perpetuate a falsehood. That's not how you say it. And he was adamant, 10 toes down, ready to fight, when I was like, man, we all call it Van Wyck. We all call it the Van Wyck. Nobody says Van Wyk.

[Don Hahn]

An accident on the Van Wyk, northbound.

[Alan Hahn]

Boom.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So are you saying there's a chance perhaps, that these people are all being taught this is the way to do it?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I think it's a standard.

[Don Hahn]

I think if they're all doing it, Peter, they must have all agreed that this is what we've decided to do. And I wouldn't doubt that there could have been somebody from the family that called and said, this is the way I want it pronounced. And because they have to do it all the time, they can't go to every individual and say, you're saying it wrong. But the one place they can go to to say you're saying it wrong is traffic. Is. That's the only place where it's said consistently.

[Alan Hahn]

So Google says we're wrong too. Yeah. No, no, it says it's pronounced like, like, like, like, like, like.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And yet we all say WIC as rhymes with sickness.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So let me ask you a question, though. At what point, and I think this is a real question, that could actually even have, like, legal precedent. At what point are you not wrong anymore? Because what the original pronunciation of the name was becomes inconsequential relative to what everyone who's now lived here for generations says when they call it something.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't even call it, I say I just call it hell on Earth, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just call it nightmare.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I mean, L. Cool J called it Van Wick.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Lost Boys. We had this conversation.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

We had this conversation with Michael where I would think, Mo, there's a lot of people that say what's. What's. What's the phrase? Well, now it just slipped my mind.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Don Hahn]

Michael always criticize us for saying that the couldn't and could care less. I could care less.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

That at some point where could care less could end up being acceptable. Because half the people say it that way. It's amazing how many people say it, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not. It is the way you say it. I always argue with Michael, of course. I. In my brain, I always. I always thought, why do people say I could care less when it's. I couldn't care less? 90% at least said. And Michael would still fight it. I think you sound like a fool fighting what the saying is. You're going against what the saying is at that point.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Because I.

[Alan Hahn]

So the family. Here's how the story goes. The family did reach out to a traffic reporter named Tom Kaminsky years ago,

[Don Hahn]

who's still doing it, by the way,

[Alan Hahn]

to say that you're saying it wrong. The family name is Wike, and so they prefer the long I. And so that's he said, right? Well, if that's what the family wants, that's what I'm doing.

[Don Hahn]

And what are you supposed to do at that point?

[Alan Hahn]

And the family reaches out to you personally, like Peter, if the family reaches out to you personally and says, I know what everybody says, but this is our name and we want it pronounced properly, would you say, how the hell would you like it's their name?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would. I know you know what I would say. I'd say you got to do more, though. It can't just be the traffic people, because you're making them just sound nuts. There has to be a more dedicated.

[Alan Hahn]

Talk about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about a billboard? How about. How about some billboards that say they've been doing construction for 30 years?

[Don Hahn]

Why not just throw up another billboard? Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Traffic on the thing. Just write Van White. Like light.

[Don Hahn]

Some easy reading every half mile.

[Alan Hahn]

You'll get to it every 30 minutes,

[Don Hahn]

so you might as well. Peter, like you said, like light. Well, they like. It's got a Y in it. So why did. Why was it changed when you read it? You should say Van White.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but. Well, no, because it's got the. Yeah, no, but it has a CK after the Y.

[Don Hahn]

If you wanted names, get the names all over the place.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But what does Andy Van Slick have to say?

[Don Hahn]

And also, what is. If I. If I. If I shaved my cheeks, what would I have?

[Peter Rosenberg]

A mustache.

[Don Hahn]

But. I know, but, like, I'm kind of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can see a goatee.

[Don Hahn]

A goatee. That's not. It's not a goatee. A goatee is just hair on the chin. But it's become so acceptable that people call the beard and the mustache a goatee. That just became the norm. It became acceptable. But technically a goatee is just hair on the chin, thus the goat hair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Alan, who are these Van Wykes?

[Alan Hahn]

The New York Van Van Wykes. Robert Anderson, of course, was the first mayor of New York City.

[Peter Rosenberg]

First mayor of New York. Robert Anderson. Van Wyck.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. When it became the Five Boroughs. This is like late 1800s.

[Don Hahn]

Did you. Did you watch Gangs? I don't think anything should count.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, right, right.

[Alan Hahn]

But that was pre. Pre Five Boroughs. Right.

[Don Hahn]

I. I just know that the birth of a city is in the. In that. What I know about it is from that movie the Five Points.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Which becomes a fit clinch to a fist. Daniel, Listen, we have it with Dable, boys. This is not like a new phenomenon for us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, but this one is just a bit different. It's just. It's. It's, you know.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you know what? Everybody always is against Peter. Here's Scott in Astoria that wants to back up Peter's claim.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Actually, Pat in a story. But I am still going to come to Peter's aid here. So, as you mentioned, at a certain point, the precedent becomes what the masses go with. My mom's cousin is Joe Theisman, which is the correct pronunciation of the name. But because he made the run at the Heisman Trophy and ultimately Finished runner up to Jim Plunkett. That became what his given name was in the media and what everybody referred to him as. But pronunciation wise, the true pronunciation as Peter, you'll probably know is the easement, right? Oh, yeah, and very similar. I don't know why it got changed, but it's Tony Dorset. And then all of a sudden it just became Dorset. But I think you're allowed to change your name. It's your name. You can do what you want with it. What we're saying is that if for a hundred years, everybody got it wrong. Sorry, too late now. It's the wrongs now become right.

[Alan Hahn]

Because you didn't step in early on, right. When you heard people calling it the Van Wyck, like right out of the gate, it should have. Like they named this godforsaken stretch of road after the first mayor of New York. You would think when they named it the day they. They christened it, they should have said the name the right way.

[Don Hahn]

And the guy telling me that no one corrected it with his big top hat and changed it.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Should have walked out there with Abraham Lincoln and said, you know what? Let's get this corrected. But you know, 160 years later, now, now we own it. And you know what? First thing they should do is just correct the highway. So. Well, it's not Satan's lane the way that Anthony describes it. Although as bad as the Van Wick

[Alan Hahn]

is or Wike Mike Wick.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sorry. Yeah. The Cross Bronx wants to hold its beer, right?

[Alan Hahn]

I agree. They could have a fight. It would be to the death. Top 5 worst roads in the tri

[Peter Rosenberg]

state area until you're taking out.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, this is a good list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Think about what they'll say one day.

[Don Hahn]

There is a highway to Satan's rectum. It's the Cross Bronx.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really?

[Don Hahn]

I believe there's a song on that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That wasn't enough, huh?

[Don Hahn]

No. I wanted to come up with a sentence that best describes that road to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait a minute. Not only was it funny. What? How did that even possibly come to your mind? All the options you had.

[Don Hahn]

What's the worst thing?

[Alan Hahn]

A highway.

[Don Hahn]

Right. It's because I'm just trying. I had to ride that, the sports phone for years. It is the worst.

[Alan Hahn]

I know, I know.

[Don Hahn]

I love the people that work it, you know, but when a. When a police offer takes me aside and says, listen, if you ever get stuck on the crossroad, don't pull over. Leave it right in the middle of the road, then they'll have to come get you.

[Alan Hahn]

They have to come get you if you pull over. They're never getting.

[Don Hahn]

No, you're so somebody on YouTube makes a great point.

[Alan Hahn]

MB516 to the caller.

[Don Hahn]

Scott, who I said was Scott.

[Alan Hahn]

And he said yep. And then he said he was Pat to you guys. So he's Scott. Now Van Wyke should be known as the Van Wick, based on RJ and Andrew's call screening method. If I say your name and you say yes, that's your name.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know how.

[Don Hahn]

How did that get. I swear people. I. And it's easy to blame like in this case, Anthony, who screened the call. But I think it's usually on the. On the caller. They don't listen.

[Alan Hahn]

I agree. Do you know when it was open, by the way? Now that I'm in the. I'm totally down the rabbit hole.

[Don Hahn]

It sounds like something that would have opened. Happened in the late 40s.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. 1950.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. It just feels like it was part of the whole what's his name that wouldn't let the Dodgers move to Brooklyn. Move out of. You know.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, Robert Moses.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it sounds like a Robert Moses vehicle.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know if it was. The thing about Van Wyk though is that he was very much like in. Like he was a bought and sold Mayor Tammany hall running his show. That's what I'm reading here.

[Don Hahn]

So what? Again, I don't know. I just to defend him. If there's any ounce of accuracy to. To the Gangs of New York movie. It was. There was nuts.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. It was all corrupt.

[Don Hahn]

It was all crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

All corrupt. Yes.

[Don Hahn]

You're gonna get your head bashed in.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

They're gonna stick you on a fence. So anyways, thank you, Peter. No sarcasm. No sarcasm. This was so much better than what Joe Shane would have said. I don't even know what he said. I so much better than that.

[Alan Hahn]

There was way, way better. In the meantime, we're gonna.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Before we go about this for weeks, we're gonna be getting calls about Van Wyck and Van Wyke for weeks.

[Alan Hahn]

I hope so. And all the traffic people will tell us why. But can I also. Can we shout out Lynn? Oh, it's her birthday today. Yes, Joe, her husband said we got to shout her out. She's a big fan of the show. She has made that clear. She's been an old school Don the Greco fan. She loves. She very much defends Peter now since the couch cast. So whatever was your birthday boo that night and new fan of mine. So, Lenny, happy birthday. We love you.

[Don Hahn]

Happy birthday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Happy birthday, bud.

[Don Hahn]

You know, Alan will appreciate this. We've been trying to get to this Yankee story, but. But I want, I want to be able to get a reaction from the fans. I think we can maybe save it for tomorrow just because I know you're leaving early. Alan, we've got Evergreen coming up at 6:00'. Clock.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's Evergreen.

[Don Hahn]

And then Peter just threw. It was a spectacular wrench into the spokes. I know that's usually a negative term, but I think this was.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm all for it.

[Don Hahn]

You saved us from Shane. It's a. It's a Shane save.

[Alan Hahn]

It feels like Shane could be a ENN vehicle.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I'm fine with it. So Peter saving us now becomes his punishment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I gave you something great and now, well, no, it's your punishment. Playing audio is always your punishment though.

[Don Hahn]

I know, I know. I'm not a guest or audio fan. But you know what? I'm starting to love guests and hate audio even more.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go.

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[Alan Hahn]

Oh, my God, it's Houston. But family name's Houston, though.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but how do you spell Houston? Well, it's H O U S T O N. Right. So there are things that have different pronunciations that are spelled differently. Right. But it is interesting, right? You would think it's, you wouldn't get mad at somebody, a tourist, if they said, can you, can I get the Houston Street? But anybody in New York knows that.

[Alan Hahn]

But the issue there, though, Don, is that it's actually spelled wrong on the street because it's named after someone whose last name is spelled H O U S T O U N. But we didn't do that. It's, it's again, this is. It's bizarre, but, you know, it's interesting.

[Don Hahn]

And, Max, that's a good one. Thank you for the phone call. That wouldn't affect the pronunciation, though, with the U n at the end.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a good point because.

[Don Hahn]

So who knows how things get lost and changed over time. Corey and Queens, you're on ESPN New York. Hey, fellas.

[Alan Hahn]

Good evening.

[Don Hahn]

What's up, baby? To help.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, to quote stepbrothers, to help

[Don Hahn]

with the whole pan pan dilemma.

[Alan Hahn]

About eight years ago, I went to broadcasting school,

[Don Hahn]

and I remember specifically one

[Alan Hahn]

day we went over pronunciation just because they said people in the industry are

[Don Hahn]

fickle with the way certain places are pronounced.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. And I remember the instructor saying that

[Don Hahn]

it is pronounced Dan Wike. And the entire class was just, you know, just angry. So it is like an industry thing, I guess, but it seems like it's a little divided. Yeah, it's. I can't think of other ones that'll probably come to me after the show is over, but there are several examples of something that is mispronounced for so long that people just went with the change.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And this feels like one of them. Them, but the family. I can understand them being, in a way. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I mean, how would you feel, Don? Like it's something that's named after a relative. It's the family name.

[Don Hahn]

And when people try to pronounce my name and they get it wrong, 9 out of 10 times, they'll say lugerisha.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

Which doesn't seem like that. That off. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

There's no Ia. The IA makes it the. The soft sound. Soft C, as they say.

[Don Hahn]

But if. If all of a sudden that there was a street named after me or something, and, you know, 50 years later, they're calling Lagrisha Avenue. I mean, I would probably be in a way about it. Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. Of course.

[Don Hahn]

But you make a stink right away. If you wait 50 years, you know, people are gonna be like, all right, forget it, man. I'm not changed. People don't like to change. They don't like to be wrong, and they don't like to make change.

[Alan Hahn]

Nope, you're right.

[Don Hahn]

But there's other examples. I wish again, they'll come flooding in, like, during dinner tonight. But there's other examples. You know, that's not the real pronunciation, but they changed it. And a lot of times it's with names because names are tough to pronounce sometimes, and things change over that. That period of time. Mike and Yonkers, espn, New York. I'M gonna go with Elaine on this. Elaine and Seinfeld refers to as the Van Wyck during the classic episode where she.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Get the guy to the airport.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everyone does. In every pop culture reference.

[Alan Hahn]

Every reference to it. Yes, Every reference to it.

[Don Hahn]

But when I. When I heard Mike. And it's. It's great because I'm getting.

[Alan Hahn]

I think you're saying if Elaine said it, then it must be true. Right. That's what it is.

[Don Hahn]

But that's quintessential New York. So you, you know, did. I'm trying to think if that was a Larry David episode or not, but I don't know, did Larry do the work or did Larry just like. This is the way I pronounce this. That's the way that Elaine's gonna pronounce it because she's from the D.C. area, if I'm not mistaken. Right, Peter? She is, but it's.

[Alan Hahn]

Again, it's just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why she's. That's why she's an Oriole. That's why the Orioles hat.

[Don Hahn]

Right. But it is a big deal. Trevor in Jamaica wants to chime in. What's up, fellas? It is. I'm. I live up for exit for on the Van Wike. And the reason why it's called the Van White is because. Two reasons. If you watch Cone Heads Bellar, even when he takes Drew Carey to the. To the airport, he asked him, do you want me to take the Van White? That's one and part two. The hospital in Brooklyn is called Wyckoff. It's spelled W, Y, C, K off White Cough Hospital. So it would have been called Wyckoff Hospital if you're calling in the Bandwick. So that is Trevor. That is second one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The second one's compelling. The Coneheads reference was absolutely.

[Don Hahn]

Coneheads is a bed. That's almost a strange poll. God love Dan Aykroyd.

[Alan Hahn]

A Conehead.

[Don Hahn]

Almost.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's beyond.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah,

[Don Hahn]

that's a tough one.

[Alan Hahn]

But one doesn't really have anything to do with the other.

[Don Hahn]

No, but he's saying that because it was said in Conehead.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, but his thing about Wyckoff Hospital and the van, that's that.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's what Peter said. The second point is not really is. Is the one.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not related, though. Wyckoff is a. Is a whole name in itself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not related. And also it's different because you have off after it.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Doesn't end on the K. It's a bit different.

[Alan Hahn]

But now I'm still With it. That. That it. At some point, no one put a stop to it, and it just became a thing. It became part of the, you know, our. Our accent. Whatever you want to do. Like the New York accent. And we mispronounce it because of our accent. Now. That's what the word is. Now.

[Don Hahn]

Now, the town next to Hawthorne, where I grew up.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

It's where Clixies was. And I believe the Jonas Brothers are from there is Wyckoff, New Jersey.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

W, Y C, K off. So there's an example where they're going Wyckoff, not Wyckoff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it sounds like. It sounds like Wyckoff is the way, but it doesn't matter.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, the family said it. The family's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're wrong.

[Don Hahn]

But the fact is, we've been wrong so long, we're now right.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I mean. You have your time. Statute of limitations.

[Don Hahn]

Is this a great way? It's 57 already. It's a great way to end the segment. All right. We don't need any proof that we're wrong. We're wrong. But in the world, when you're wrong that long, it becomes right.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear me more of Don Allen and Peter. Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

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