Hour 3: Bart Scott joins the show

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: Hour 3 - Bart Scott Joins the Show

Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca
Guest: Bart Scott (former NFL player, ESPN NY host)

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Episode Overview

This hour dives deep into two major New York sports storylines:

• The fallout and future implications of big New York Jets trades at the deadline—rebuilding, asset acquisition, and what’s next at quarterback.
• The ongoing drama surrounding the New York Giants, with pointed debate on Brian Daboll's coaching future, organizational direction, and pivotal personnel decisions.

Featuring guest Bart Scott’s passionate insights and trademark humor, the conversation moves from the personal impact of NFL player funerals to tough calls on Breece Hall and high-stakes hypotheticals about quarterback options. Giants coaching philosophies and Lane Kiffin’s name in the rumor mill are also scrutinized.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bart Scott Reflects on Nick Mangold and NFL Brotherhood

[01:18–02:41]

• The hour began on a somber note with Bart Scott reflecting on attending former teammate Nick Mangold's funeral.
  • “Unfortunately, you never want to get together like that, but it was good to be together and lean on each other in these type of tough times.” — Bart Scott [02:32]
• Personal grief is juxtaposed by the community of former teammates, showing the closeness of NFL circles.

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2. Jets’ Blockbuster Trades: Core Reset & Future Strategy

[02:42–07:23]

• Bart unpacks the Jets' surprise decision to trade key players for picks, signaling a shift from "build around a young core" to asset collection and reset.
  • Notable quote: “You have to say, well, we tried it, and do we just double down on our mistake, or do we try and improve and reset?” — Bart Scott [03:17]
• Organization now stockpiles significant draft capital (seven picks in next two drafts, including multiple firsts and seconds).
• Core players like Sauce Gardner are scrutinized for performance and durability—Bart notes, “Sauce isn’t physical…isn’t willing in the run game.” [04:07]
• Trade theme: flexibility over emotional attachment—“You lost two great players, but now you can … get maybe potentially two great players." [05:00]

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3. Quarterback Questions: Who Should the Jets Chase?

[05:09–08:33]

• Alan Hahn wonders if the Jets will use their capital to trade for a proven QB. Bart’s controversial suggestion: Kyler Murray.
  • "I would go Kyler Murray, man." — Bart Scott [05:50]
• Calls Murray’s contract “very tradable,” offering flexibility if things don’t work out: “If it doesn't work out, you can still say, hey, I tried…” [06:11]
• The hosts joke about Bart’s history of criticizing Kyler. (“You had a better [nickname], but I'm not gonna say one that's gonna get you in trouble.” — Don Hahn [06:07])
• Bart’s pragmatic: seize a bridge option, then reset for a future prospect if necessary—“kick the can down the road and you get Kyler Murray and you build your team.” [06:38]
• Deems this a cap-clearing move too: “They just knocked $50 million off the annual cap overall today.” [07:09]

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4. Jets Fan Angst: Is This Actually a Positive Pivot?

[07:23–08:33]

• Jets fans are reeling from losing beloved young stars, but Bart insists this is the right move:
  • “It's the hand you’re a dealt. They tried to go all in ... Lost games early ... had to make a move. And I think this is a tremendous pivot.” — Bart Scott [07:44]
• They keep some building blocks (Garrett Wilson, young O-linemen), have draft ammo, and flexibility.

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5. Breece Hall’s Future: Tag, Trade, or Pay?

[09:04–12:18]

• Alan raises the Breece Hall contract dilemma; Bart’s response: “I'm about to give Breece a nice bag. ... $14 million a year because ... Breece hall is in my opinion, top 10.” [09:22, 09:41]
• Prefers a three-year deal, front-loaded, over tagging him—cites cap flexibility.
• Peter presses: Hall is frustrated (“very frustrated in this system ... doesn’t feel like he gets the ball nearly enough.” [11:02])
• Bart retorts: “Jameer Gibbs is the centerpiece [in Detroit], why can't Breece hall be [that for the Jets]?” [11:47]
• Alternative: tag and trade Hall next year if it stalls.

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6. QB Wishlist Hypotheticals: Burrow, Flacco, and More

[12:18–14:36]

• Rosenberg goes big dreaming: What about Joe Burrow?
  • “I'm reaching out to Joe Cool... bring you here, put you in New York, big market...” — Peter Rosenberg [12:44]
• Bart dismisses the idea as “a lot of money, man” [13:07] and says injury/turf history makes it a tough sell for top QBs like Burrow.
• Alan: “But damn, the upside’s better than Kyler Murray, no?” [17:08]
• Financial and injury risks keep this hypothetical from realism.

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7. Jets Trade Fallout: Locker Room & Division Trade Philosophy

[38:42–44:15]

• Jermaine Johnson posts on social media about staying with the Jets; Alan and Peter discuss the emotional toll and business side.
  • “He sounds like a guy that knows that he was on the table and if somebody would have made an offer, he would have been gone.” — Peter Rosenberg [39:33]
• Woody Johnson is speculated to have blocked in-division trades for Breece Hall; considered “bad business” by hosts.
  • “That's bad business... it wouldn't necessarily be bad business to Bart’s point because maybe Hall can be a part of the future.” — Alan Hahn [41:48]

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8. GIANTS: Dable on the Hot Seat, Organizational Turmoil

[23:15–36:46, 47:12–51:02]

• Giants’ incompetence and culture under Brian Daboll are argued. Alan is relentless in calling out repeated two-win seasons:
  • “What stability? Two and seven, Three straight years. Two and seven. ... The guy can't coach. He's a good offensive coordinator. He works well with quarterbacks. But he stinks as a coach. He's got to go out. Goodbye.” — Alan Hahn [48:04]
• Mel Kiper Jr. is quoted (audio and recaps) as saying Dable and GM Shane should get a reprieve, but Alan and Don destroy this logic. [24:19–31:22]
  • “You cannot...bring Brian back on the last year of his contract and see what happens.” — Alan Hahn [26:05]
• Don wonders if Dable played the rookie QB card “too early,” losing the organizational honeymoon period. [27:11–29:16]
• All agree: Keeping Dable, just for a young QB’s “stability,” is delusional after so much dysfunction (“I’m on a cracked chair...but the chair’s falling apart.” — Alan Hahn [48:05])

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9. Lane Kiffin as Giants Coach? Reality and Risk

[33:13–36:46]

• Lane Kiffin is openly speculated as a prime coaching candidate due to his connection with rookie QB Jackson Dart.
  • “Lane Kiffin is an infinitely better coach than Brian Dable. I don’t think I need to convince you of that.” — Alan Hahn [33:19]
• Discussion of buyout, NFL salaries, and marketability.
• Skepticism due to past failed college-to-NFL transitions and potential for “meltdown” moments.
  • “How amazing would he be in this market though?...Every day, we’d have to play audio.” — Peter Rosenberg [35:02]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I had a lot [of nicknames for Kyler Murray]. Mighty Mouse. Depends on the day.” — Bart Scott [06:02]
• “You either go with the draft or you go Kyler Murray, because the contract is already locked in.” — Bart Scott [14:29]
• “The only thing that could really kill him for sure is if the quarterback completely falls apart. ... jealous of the Jets today because they found their direction.” — Alan Hahn [30:55]
• “We really need to let. Take the deep dive. 2 and 7 every year.” — Alan Hahn [49:33]
• “Sometimes it's just right there. It's just right there in front of you.” — Peter Rosenberg [49:30]
• “He works well with quarterbacks. But he stinks as a coach. He's got to go out. Goodbye.” — Alan Hahn [48:04]
• [On in-division trades blocked] “If you got a chance to get a pick for a player you don't think is a part of your future and you didn't do it because you didn't want to make the Patriots. ... I worry that’s what happened.” — Peter Rosenberg [42:20, 43:04]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:18 – Bart Scott joins, reflects on Nick Mangold's funeral
• 02:42 – Immediate reactions to the Jets’ trade deadline activity
• 05:09 – Quarterback targets: Murray, bridge concepts, and contract impact
• 09:04 – Breece Hall’s contract future, strategy, and frustrations
• 12:42 – Big-splash QB ideas: Burrow, Flacco, hypothetical plans
• 23:15 – Giants coaching debate: Is Dable done? Mel Kiper Jr. audio
• 27:11 – Did Dable play the rookie card too early?
• 33:13 – Lane Kiffin as possible Giants hire
• 38:42 – Locker room fallout and division trade refusals
• 47:12 – Callers, fan frustration, and the illusion of coaching “stability”

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Episode’s Tone

• Classic New York sports radio: passionate, irreverent, combative, and thick with black humor. Bart Scott’s “fluency in Bart” and the hosts’ Knicks/Giants heartbreak lend authenticity and occasional hilarity to heated debates.
• Hahn is analytical and relentless. Rosenberg is emotional and big-idea-driven. Don La Greca keeps the banter moving and leans sarcastic.
• The hosts pull no punches—whether discussing the pain of trading stars, burning through coaches, or the “curse” of New York football turf.

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For listeners seeking an inside look at Jets and Giants chaos, and the mindset of reeling (yet ever-strategic) New York sports media, this episode is essential.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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He dropped.

[Don Hahn]

Oh boy. Well, that's unfortunate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have a lot of experience working with Bart.

[Don Hahn]

Well, listen, he did give us the option for another time with the Comrax and we said phone's fine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

And then, you know, God laughs at your plans. You know what I mean?

[Alan Hahn]

Especially these.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you know, can I tell you guys, I'm a little disappointed. It's 5:03 on election day and none of our listeners have been creative enough to come up with a joke about. We know Rosenberg's always rooting for the commies. That, I mean, it's sitting right there for you right now, today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, it's a good point.

[Don Hahn]

Come on, you can do better.

[Alan Hahn]

We do have Bart back and he joins us here on Don Hanna. Rosenberg, how are you, buddy?

[Bart Scott]

Put in the battle, fellas. What's going on?

[Alan Hahn]

And My condolences, too. I know it was a tough day. You were over at Nick Mangold's funeral, so I know that was tough. He was a teammate of yours. And my condolences. Our condolences go out to you, buddy.

[Bart Scott]

We appreciate it. It was good to see a lot of the guys. Unfortunately, you never want to get together like that, but it was good to be together and lean on each other in these type of tough times.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

When I guess all you were together, when you probably all this news started to break about the jets trading away some major pieces and getting some major assets back, what was. What was the general reaction to this stuff?

[Bart Scott]

Well, when Chili Willie called me, because we had just actually left, he hit me with the news. I'm like, what you talking about, Willis?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Chili Willie settled down a little bit. Willie Colon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bart Scott]

Chili Willie, Willie Cologne. Absolutely. You speak fluent Bart.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do speak fluent Bart.

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Making sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm making sure. Yeah. Make sure everybody else understands. That's all good.

[Bart Scott]

So, yeah. So, like, you know, when you look at it, you know what it is, is I think that the jets and the staff thought they wanted to build around a young core, and part of that core was going to be based around, you know, maybe Jermaine Johnson, Vera Tucker, who got injured. It was going to be around Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner. But during the season, when things go bad, you have to say, well, we tried it, and do we just double down on our mistake, or do we try and improve and reset? You know, after giving Sauce $30 million a year, he didn't look like a $30 million a year cornerback, and he kept getting injured. And one thing I know that Aaron Glenn probably respects more than anything, that's why he likes Stevenson even more, even though he doesn't have half the talent. Well, let me say half, because I don't want nothing to get back to nobody. I don't want nobody want to smoke. I don't want to deal with one of these little y ins. I have to put paws on them. You know what I'm saying? What it is, is Sauce isn't physical. And I think Aaron Glenn, you think about the great lockdown corners, even right now, Patrick Stratan, think about Gonzalez, you think about, you know, corners that if you're going to be top notch, you got to be just as effective and willing in the run game. And Sauce always got concussions or got banged up like that. I think they said, do we really want to give this $30 million a year? And they decided to say, hey, I can teach corners. Let me go out and get assets. Because now we know that Justin Fields is in the future, how do we get ammunition to be able to pull the trigger? And I think that's what they did today. You talk about seven picks in the next two drafts. In the first two rounds, two first rounders, five first rounders, two second rounders. You can do a lot of damage with that. You lost two great players, but now you can go out and get maybe potentially two great players, and maybe the other players just are really good players. But now you have more good players on your team and you cash in two for maybe a two and a five.

[Alan Hahn]

And now you're looking for the quarterback. And is it this draft? Is it next draft? Or is there a bridge quarterback? Bart is there because Allen's been bringing up with Detroit, with Detroit and the Rams did with Stafford and Goff. Like, is there a quarterback with these picks you can maybe pry away and you don't have to worry about going through the draft?

[Bart Scott]

Well, it was one for me. Alan knows because he works. Alan works with me, and he knows I was very critical of this young man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no.

[Bart Scott]

I think he stopped playing video games. And even though he's injured. No, I would love the dynamic. And listen, I'm glad they didn't go with Breeze Hall. Let Breeze hall go. I would go Kyler Murray, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God. Wait, this is the same guy that you. Wait, the guy that you called out is not being a leader. What are you.

[Bart Scott]

What's your nickname for him?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, wait, what's your nickname for him? Do you remember?

[Bart Scott]

What? Mighty Mouse. I don't know. I had a lot. I had a lot Mighty Mouse. It depends on what day it was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You had a better one, but I'm.

[Don Hahn]

Not gonna say one that's gonna get you in trouble.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he can't. I can't.

[Bart Scott]

But you know, but you know, Peter Pablo, what I'm saying is, like, he has a very tradable contract. So let's just say you take one of those bottom first round draft picks, maybe from Indianapolis and. Or one of the 27s and you give it to Kyler Murray. If it doesn't work out, you can still say, hey, I tried, because he has a very tradable contract. He's right. At $40 million, would you take Kyler Murray and what, he could be opposed to Justin fields for only 10 million more dollars a year, knowing that you can dump that contract in a year or so because Kyler Murray was one of the first guys to get paid. But he hasn't got paid the 60, he's got paid to 40. And then, you know, everybody was like, hey, maybe save for arcs. But we don't know if Mendoza is going to be a good quarterback. This isn't a quarterback draft. So you kick the can down the road and you get Kyler Murray and you go out and you build around and build your team around and if Kyler Murray sucks, hey, suck for Arch or whatever. Maybe Arch gets better, gets. Gets more improved and you're able to build and now you have the assets to move up. But what this also did is it cleared tremendous amount of space. Salary cap. They just knocked $50 million off the annual cap overall though today.

[Don Hahn]

Like Bart. I'm sorry, I was going to say overall. We talked to a lot of jets fans today who just don't seem to be. They seem to be having this remorse of just saying goodbye to people who they thought were talented. Is this sort of a best case outcome in your opinion? If you're a Jets fan sitting here at 509 right after the trade deadline?

[Bart Scott]

I mean, I mean, I think this is a really good opportunity for the jets to improve their football team. And it's the hand. You're a dough. They tried to go all in. They lost games early in the season. They weren't able to figure it out. So I feel like the jets had to make a move. And I think this is a tremendous pivot from Mujee to understand that, hey, we tried to build around this young core that was here from Joe Douglas. It was expensive. It cost us $30 million and $30 million a year. But now we can pivot away from it and walk away from it and build this team slowly and organically. We're going to keep Garrett Wilson here. We still have this great young offensive line that we don't have to pay. And now we have money to say, hey, we're going to keep Quincy around, who we can keep around for a lower price. And we can say, okay, we can maybe give Vera Tucker one more chance at a one year deal. Prove it. Stay healthy. Prove it.

[Alan Hahn]

Deal.

[Bart Scott]

Because now we just cleared $50 million up and we don't have to go out and spend that money. All we have to do is use our draft picks very wisely. And the jets have hit on all their draft picks. Mimbo is one of the best players in the draft right now. He's playing some of the best football. So they don't have a lot of holes to fill. They need Another good receiver, but they got a lot of that in the trade, so they got a lot of that in return. There are reports they got the access to try out Mitchell and the metchic kid.

[Alan Hahn]

Talking to Bart Scott here on Don Hanna. Rosenberg, after the jets made two significant deals with the Cowboys and the Colts, what do you do at Breece Hall? He wanted a contract, didn't get one Report wanted to get dealt today. He did not. So how do you deal with him moving forward?

[Bart Scott]

Oh, man, I'm about to give Breece a nice bag. I'm about to give breeze that nice $14 million a year because I know whether I got a veteran quarterback or if I know I got a rookie quarterback, that quarterback's going to be better because Breece hall is in my opinion, top 10 in this league. It's not that many people that can do what Breece hall can do.

[Don Hahn]

You're tagging it?

[Bart Scott]

No, I'm gonna go ahead and sign him. I don't want to tag him because I don't want to have that heavy thing on my, on my salary cap. I'm just going to go ahead and I'm going to, I'm going to give him a three year deal for like 36 million and front load it and give him like 13, 14 man a year to make him feel good about it. So that's not a lot of money. That's. That's not a lot of money. $14 million and the cap is going to continue to go up. And now what you got him settled in and locked in and you tell him to plan. You see with these five first round draft picks we got, we about to load up and we about to go get two players. Right? The offense is getting better. Like right now you feel a lot better about their wide receiver room than you did a week ago. I know everybody don't know that. You know the kid that a guy from Indianapolis is a kid that dropped the ball going into the, going into the end zone. But he is a fast, talented player that can add something this year. Let's see if Mechi can add something this year too. Before he had the cancer scare in Houston, he was a great prospect. He just got cancer, man, and he hadn't had opportunity. Wasn't he going to play in front of Devontae Smith or A.J. brown? No. So you could potentially, you took a flyer on talented players and even Mozzie Smith. Maybe Mozzie Smith can't play in Dallas, but maybe underneath Fitz Regime, he can play now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bart, let me go Back to Breeze.

[Bart Scott]

I think it's a great day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me go back to Breeze hall with you here, because this is a guy that, if you're telling me that as they've seen him play this year, they see massive value in his potential and his ability. So now it's convinced them, okay, we should sign you. When they didn't want to sign him in the summer, probably wanted to see what can he do. But I also, from what I understand, he's very frustrated in this system. He doesn't feel like he gets the ball nearly enough. They don't run enough plays. They don't lean on him enough. So one doesn't go with the other, though. Don't. You know what I'm. See what I'm saying? Like, why would. Why would they be so willing to pay him all that money if they don't really see value in him, to put him. To make him a centerpiece of an offense that has been garbage?

[Bart Scott]

Because I think they learn. I mean, Jameer Gibbs is the centerpiece, and the Lions. So if this is the system that they're running, why can't Breeze hall be Jamer?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a great question, and I wish I could answer it.

[Bart Scott]

He has the same home run ability, and he's a better receiver. So, I mean, I definitely will say, you know what, Breeze? Let's see, like, at worst, you say, let's see, you tag him, and then you trade him next year for something. At worst. But at best, you. You show him what he can do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look, I don't. I don't deny any of that, for his talent. I'm more concerned about the hierarchy here. Now, you said Kyler Murray, which made me throw up my mouth for a second. I want to give you my football player. You know? Come on. You know, I love the. I need the headline. I want the big splash. I want to go for it. If I got all this.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no. Listen out here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If I want to go for it and I got all these assets, I'm. I'm putting all my chips middle of the table, and I'm reaching out to Joe Cool, and I'm saying, you got to get out of Cincinnati, man. Guys have told Carson Palmer, told you the same thing. Get out of there, and I will bring you here, put you in New York, big market. You're gonna be a superstar, man.

[Bart Scott]

That's a lot of money, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I'm sorry. It's a lot of quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. But if you're him, it's so crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bart Scott]

But but how many times have we said, listen, that turf is taking so many people out with this type of injury history. You want to put that on that turf?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow. Now. Now we're.

[Bart Scott]

Are we going to a grass field?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait a minute. You just spent 15 minutes with us convincing me how. How rosy things are for the future of the jets and all the things they can do, and now you're telling me that nobody wants to play here because the field's bad? I don't know which one to do here.

[Bart Scott]

I'm just saying. No. Joe Burrow has missed three years of his career.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but when he.

[Bart Scott]

Lester's career.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I know. Hey, you remember. You remember. Remember. You remember the saying when he said, when he's. What is it? He's hell when he's. Well, but he's only. He's always sick. Right? Remember that saying? Yes, right.

[Bart Scott]

Exactly. Listen, we thought it wasn't a curse, and then Aaron Rodgers came and he blew his Achilles out on one game. I do not want to go there. No. Hell, no. You can keep Macaulay caulking. Listen, Macaulay's not gonna leave his people. They're not gonna let Macaulay go. They just paid T. Higgins and all his minions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, but Joe Flacco's putting up 400 yards a game with the same offense. They don't have to pay him as nearly as much.

[Bart Scott]

That is true. And we can't go Danny Dimes because we don't. We know that may not work. We can't go Mac Jones.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Bart Scott]

So you either go with the draft and you go Kyler Murray, because the contract is already locked in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love you, man. Hope you're doing well.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, does this Call of Duty come with him, too? Are you gonna have to give an.

[Don Hahn]

Extra pick for that? Touche.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Bart Scott]

No, he. No, he's. No, he's changed. That was two years ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He quit. He quit video games, apparently.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Bart Scott]

Let's play Halo games. He just don't play them all the time.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Bart Scott]

Hey, man. Hey, Alex. First of all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

First of all.

[Bart Scott]

Okay, can I speak. Can I. Can I. Can I speak to my former partner? Listen, man, you're doing a hell of a job calling these games, man. Y' all know at some point, we're gonna have to make the transition for Clyde from Clyde. When you go off into the sunset and go, you know, tend to them rabbits or something, go hang out. You know what I'm saying? Go fishing and hang out in. In, like, legends row. But, man, you're doing your thing, and then you Got my vote for full time job there. You know why?

[Don Hahn]

You hear that?

[Bart Scott]

Hold it down. And I'm gonna. And I'm gonna see you tomorrow, man. Call your boy, tell him I want to get up in the tile suite because I'm looking to drink some free drinks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hope to see you courtside at Celebrity Row, which I'm trying to work out for.

[Alan Hahn]

And a little tullamore do, maybe.

[Bart Scott]

Yeah, yeah, let's work. Let's. Let's work that out. But tomorrow I'm gonna be in the sweetie, but I want to go up to the other swizzy because there's levels to this what I'm talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I got you. You know I got you. Just text me during the day and we'll. We'll work it out.

[Alan Hahn]

How was. Can't wait. Not on Celebrity Row.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it just hasn't happened yet.

[Bart Scott]

I just be low key and. Peter Pablo, listen, man, don't be scaring Como off the air. And you keep doing your thing for the. For the Devils, man.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, thank you. You know what?

[Bart Scott]

That is acting like his signal don't work.

[Alan Hahn]

I hope Booger McFarlane was listening to that spot because acknowledging everyone with a little piece of information. It's bs, but it goes a long way.

[Don Hahn]

No, you appreciate.

[Alan Hahn]

You appreciate that. Listen, he didn't have to. He didn't.

[Bart Scott]

No, no.

[Alan Hahn]

Stumble upon the Cuomo stuff.

[Don Hahn]

He probably looked nice. Well, he saw it hit the stop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's a consumer. Bart Scott is a consumer.

[Alan Hahn]

He remembered it was Devils. There's three hockey teams. He had a one and three shot.

[Bart Scott]

Listen. No, no, you know, I'm from hockey town now. You know what I'm saying? I'm. You know, Steve, I been the greatest captain in the history of sports.

[Alan Hahn]

See, that's. That's the Detroit coming out.

[Bart Scott]

So we already know. But Peter Pablo, come on, man. Ebro, y' all go. Y' all gonna get banned, man, from scaring politicians on, bro.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, listen, it might be too late.

[Bart Scott]

They can't handle the crew. They can't handle the crew.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, Bart.

[Alan Hahn]

I appreciate you, buddy.

[Bart Scott]

My pleasure.

[Alan Hahn]

That was nice of him to come on and listen. Kyler Murray's scary, man. Listen, I know Joe Burrow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you?

[Alan Hahn]

Not personally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh.

[Alan Hahn]

Comes with some baggage because of injuries.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come on.

[Alan Hahn]

But damn, the upside's better than Kyler Murray, no?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hell yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, wait, wait for. For Burrow.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but he want. He'd rather have Kyler Murray.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it's so.

[Bart Scott]

Because.

[Don Hahn]

Because the Burrow thing is so expensive. I mean, so is McHaler's expensive too. But Joe Burrow it's just not going to happen either. Hey do you want to leave the market that has a history of not winning but certainly gets closer than this team and you can do it with much less pressure hidden in Cincinnati or you get screamed at every day in the back of the paper. Go to a field that kills quarterbacks and also never win. But if you do win, oh, you'll never have to pay for a meal again.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what?

[Don Hahn]

He's not paying in Cincinnati either. I'm sure they have two or three good restaurants.

[Alan Hahn]

Must have a high park there or something.

[Don Hahn]

They got something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know you. This could have waited till like 6:30. That little rant right there. I could you just give me a 6:30.

[Don Hahn]

You got Joe Flacco too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I told you the other plan I have. Look I had two plans. One is, is do the aggressive just I'm New York, I'm bigger than you. Big bank take little bank and I tell Cincinnati cuz I already know the agent. The agent already told me he wants out of there. All right, let's go. Let's make a deal that doesn't work then it's it's less is more hashtag. You get Dante Moore. You bring in Joe Flacco for a one year. Joe is your bridge. Dante Moore learns and you hope that works. Those are the, those are right now the two feasible plans. A 5 foot 9 quarterback who runs around a lot. Yeah, that's not really what I'm looking for.

[Alan Hahn]

Carpal tunnel.

[Don Hahn]

I get it. But can you get him on a bargain? Can you get him at the dollar store?

[Alan Hahn]

You might. And that might be what makes them attractive. Now YouTube TV customers get the sports you love on ESPN including college football, college game day, Monday night football, NBA, college basketball and the more I'm going to replace the more with hockey because they do have NHL act now and more go to keep my networks.com do it to get ESPN back.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Have you guys seen these graphics Joker? Like AI memes of us that he's posting? No, we're shows us sitting there. Then we start dancing and it's like scary because we didn't do it. But it does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it looks like.

[Don Hahn]

It looks pretty real. Not like. And with you, you make. He gives you this like doofy smile. I mean, all of us look.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's weird.

[Don Hahn]

He posted an hour ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, I got to take a look at this. AI is definitely scary.

[Alan Hahn]

There's a lot to be.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, this is the least of our problems is graphics Joker. But yeah, there's a lot of stuff with AI.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I don't see anything a little.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Terrifying except if it's thrive then it's very good for your business.

[Don Hahn]

Oh one. In that case.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not seeing anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nothing.

[Alan Hahn]

Gotta go to replies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He says it replies. Oh, there it is.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, this is really weird.

[Don Hahn]

How do you feel about. Look at Alan's face too. Yeah, it's not what you want. No. You want to sue graphics yoga, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Just for everything he's got.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Do it right now for all of.

[Alan Hahn]

His paints and easels. Everything done. Well, that was. It's disturbing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not great.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's a little strange.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, it's more than a little strange. It's a lot strange. But that's all right. Wanted to bring this up. I was, you know, minding my own business this morning, walking down the street, giving the kids breakfast, and I'm listening to the great show in the morning.

[Don Hahn]

You talking about.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, I thought dnr and obviously Dave is ready to just blow up the Giants and he wants stable and Shane gone. And a lot of people have that opinion. I certainly had that opinion after what I saw against the 49ers. Just again, can't kick, can't defend. Two straight series. They threw the ball once, just drove it right down. The Giants throw.

[Don Hahn]

They quit. They quit.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, offense looked nice, especially in the second half. And dart and I agree with Greeny. I'm high on Jackson dart. There's no question. But that should not be enough to save his job. And we'll see if it's enough to save Shane his job. But. So I'm listening to minding my own business and Mel Kuiper Jr. Who does a weekly spot with them was on and he says for now he would bring Dable back, I don't think.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

I mean, I think it's a long, long way to go in terms of Dable. I think Dart's the key guy. I mean, you realize once that personnel hopefully stays on the field and is healthy for a full. You get some good luck on the injury front moving forward, then Jackson Dart's your guy. Then I would give Day Ball a year with it with a team. I like to see a team that's close to full strength. Have a quarterback continue to progress.

[Bart Scott]

Right.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

Continue to progress for Jackson Dart. Next year, become one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league. And then let's see how Day ball does with everything going in the right direction.

[Alan Hahn]

Again, nobody can get his name right. Crazy.

[Don Hahn]

No one. Isn't it weird we're the only one.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe we're.

[Don Hahn]

Is it really worthwhile for us to be right when everyone else is wrong?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm gonna start saying even though we know it doesn't matter. He told us that table, like, table.

[Don Hahn]

We have a drop day ball, but.

[Alan Hahn]

Whenever do you just say, you know what, we're just gonna give up because we're the only ones. We're right, but we're only the 1% of the world.

[Don Hahn]

How long is it gonna matter? How long is it gonna matter for?

[Alan Hahn]

Right? Just. Just as we get used to it. But I'm texting the guys and listen, they're focused on the interview, so they didn't bring this up. Sure. Mel, Are you gonna bring back Brian Dable in the last year of his contract, have him be a lame duck coach? Are you going to extend him? So when he says, oh, give him another year, you're not giving him another year, you're probably going to have to tack on another year on top of that. So there's some stability in the organization. How are you going to win over free agents when you've got a coach that's a lame duck? Now, it's been done. It does happen. But three consecutive 2 and 7 starts to your year? I mean, come on, what are we hanging on for? All right, and everybody gave him credit for Josh Allen, and let's say for sake of argument, he was responsible for the growth of Josh Allen. Josh has done just fine after he left. Just fine. So the idea that it all collapses. I don't think it's ideal to have a young quarterback have to have a second head coach and a second offensive coordinator. It's not ideal. But is it ideal to bring a coach back that just can't get anything Done. He's still hanging on to 20, 22. Last I checked, that was four years ago. Since then, 7 and 2 start in 23, 7 and 2 start in 24. 7 and 2 start now in 25. I mean, come on. And the injuries, are they 2 and 7 because neighbors is out? Are they 27 because their secondary is banged up? Well, Shane brought Banks in. He's a backup because he can't play. He drafted him. How come? I see other teams lose players and find ways to win games. They move on. And in the Giants, it's always the damn excuse. They were going to lose that game to the Eagles anyway when Scatterboo went down. So what exactly would their record be if Cam didn't get hurt? So I'm sorry, Mel, I respect you and you know, the draft, but, man, you just got to bring Brian back on the last year of his contract and see what happens.

[Don Hahn]

I don't like it either at all. Much as I love Mel, how do you feel about the theory that I unsheathed for the world on yesterday's program?

[Alan Hahn]

Interesting that you used that word.

[Don Hahn]

The idea that Brian Dabal pulled the quarterback, the Jackson Dart quarterback card, too early and that by pulling it as early as he did, you ignited this excitement in the early part of the season. And as things dry up, Scatter. Boo's hurt. No neighbors, no options as the year goes on. By the time we get to December and January, the super excitement everyone had about the kid has now faded into losing basically every week. He has a good moment, he has a bad moment. And not to say that people don't still believe in the kid, Don, but that some of the. Some of the Dable getting it right on the quarterback will have faded. It's like, no, now we've seen a kid, he's good. Let's get someone in who can coach him. Because we saw he had a good guy. Daniel Jones, too. Couldn't coach him up either.

[Alan Hahn]

But you know what?

[Don Hahn]

Whereas if he pulled it out later.

[Alan Hahn]

In the season, would you say Mike Greenberg is a pretty significant sports host, Talent, personnel?

[Don Hahn]

I would say so, yes. All right. Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

And even after the Giants embarrassed themselves in the fourth quarter in Denver, got killed in Philadelphia, got destroyed at home against San Francisco, you heard how gushing Greenberg was about dart. I think the kids got it. And I think.

[Don Hahn]

But that's not what I'm saying.

[Alan Hahn]

No, but I think I'm saying, will.

[Don Hahn]

Dable, though, still be getting the credit for it?

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, he's saying, I think what.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'Re saying, yeah, no, because I understood we had this conversation and it does make sense, but it also is difficult to re. You can't edit it. Right. Because if he waited too long, it would have been, why'd you wait so long? And you could have cost a season. So I think he was damned if he did and damned if he did anyway. But what you're saying, which does. It carries a lot of weight because there's so much time left in the season, is that now that the shine kind of is gone.

[Don Hahn]

Right. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And now we're just watching bad football again. It. The. The focus goes back on the coaching. See the coach. The focus went on the coaching right out of the gate. Then you make the change. Now the focus on the quarterback. Oh, this is fun. This is kiss kids. Got it.

[Don Hahn]

But then the lose everything a season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But not just losing the way they're losing.

[Alan Hahn]

I know, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then it becomes now back on the coach and he can't avoid it. And the only thing. I'm telling you, this is my thing. The only thing that saves Brian Dable and also Brian D Ball is if they ball. If Dart says, that's my coach.

[Alan Hahn]

Nah, I don't think it's enough. I don't think he's got enough to.

[Don Hahn]

He'd have to. I mean, we'll have to see how the year plays out well, because you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You want like, if he's that adamant about it, you want to, like. All right, then we'll give it a little more time and let's.

[Don Hahn]

Let's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want to get him messed up.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's why. Here's why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the only. Only way you might think about it.

[Don Hahn]

And that's a might.

[Alan Hahn]

But. Right. But it's really. There is no reason besides the quarterback to even hang on to the thought of bringing Brian Dable back because they played awful. They're 2 and 7. The only thing he's got going for him is you don't want to mess the kid up and he gets credit for how well the kid plays.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

If the kid continues to play well, even if they lose, there will still be that contingent of people that'll say, dable's responsible for this. Look how well he played. They'll make excuses about the injuries, they'll make excuses about the schedule. It's still his best chance to come back. So as long as Dart plays well and he played well against San Francisco and he was okay against Philadelphia and he was great against Denver until he had the turnover in the fourth quarter. But he's a kid. That's going to happen if he can. To Peter's analogy, if he continues to play well and they lose, it still could save Dable's job because they've attached. The only thing they have is how the quarterback is playing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

The only thing that could really kill him for sure is if the quarterback completely falls apart. And I don't think that will necessarily happen. But it's a pretty. That's why I said I'm kind of like jealous of the jets today because they found their direction. There's still a possibility that everything comes back and all was a tough schedule and they had injuries. So let's run it back and extend them now. Here's more Mel on Shane and Dable sticking around for another year with Dart.

[Mel Kiper Jr.]

The critical thing at the top of any list is do you have the right quarterback? They got the guy. So right now they look like they have that guy to be happy with that celebrate that. Another draft, another free HCC cycle. Let's see what this team looks like going in next year. If they maintain relative good health at what Tim Table and this coaching staff do, then I don't see a problem.

[Alan Hahn]

Again, you don't see the problem because you haven't looked at the fact that he's only got one year left on his contract.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If I can quote Vinny from Staten Island. Do you watch the games? It's.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Honestly, he's really struggled in games. He's really struggled. I still think what's hurt him the most is his decision to bring in Shane Bowen. That.

[Alan Hahn]

And that was all him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They. Yeah, they had a good. They had a really good, smart, experienced defensive coordinator who, yes, is high maintenance. Is. You know, he's. He's got a little bit of Rex Ryan about him where you're gonna have to deal with that. But if you can manage that as a head coach knowing, well, I got a guy that knows what he's doing defensively and if I got to put up with him being angry because the offense wasn't whatever it is, I can handle that. But I know he's really good. That was. He was poorly. He poorly did that. The Graham Gano stuff, the kicker stuff that like for two years now, how they've screwed that up. There's a lot of things, him going into the tent. There's just a lot of things that, that he has done now over the last two years. That and the way he treated Daniel Jones at times. There's so much there now that just tells you I don't know if this is a guy that I could put as my CEO, but let's not dig too deep.

[Alan Hahn]

Three straight two and seven starts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you can make excuses for the record. And I'm saying but the eye test has also no built up enough evidence against it.

[Alan Hahn]

The defense quit and that should be enough to get everybody fired. Now you've always asked, if not Dable, then who?

[Don Hahn]

That's a great question.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, the name that's starting to rise up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh.

[Alan Hahn]

Is Lane Kiffin.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, we knew.

[Alan Hahn]

We knew this and Paul Feinbaum was on with Michael K earlier today. Should the Giants be interested in Kiffin? He is a superb coach right now and I think he would be interested I the relationship with Jackson Dart. He got him out of California and turned him into a superb quarterback. And you know, it's interesting that the Dable, I think followed Kiffin at Alabama under Nick Saban, but there's no comparison between Brian Dable and Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin is an infinitely better coach than Brian Dable. I don't think I need to convince you of that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now he's got his contract runs through like 2031 or 2032 buyouts like 36 million, which in all comparisons isn't that big of a number.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, the contracts in college football are very similar to toilet paper. He'd walk your behind, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He'd walk away for an NFL job if he would. That's 9 million a year. Now what's. What's the code? What's the NFL coach? What is like, what does NFL coach get these days?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, could easily get 10.

[Don Hahn]

You think so?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, what's his name? In. In.

[Don Hahn]

Are the best in Detroit. Are the best. Are the best.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Coach Ben Johnson.

[Alan Hahn]

Johnson got 10.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, I guess if Ben Johnson.

[Alan Hahn]

He'S got NFL experience.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, you guys do whatever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ben Johnson got 13 a year on a five year contract.

[Alan Hahn]

13.

[Don Hahn]

All right then yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He would get married. Ready to write that check?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

By the way, I think that you are. I think you're crazy. I know how good he is as a college coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, the relationship with the quarterback and knowing his offense is the obvious connection.

[Don Hahn]

And that's sexy too. Don't get me wrong.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What you're hoping for.

[Don Hahn]

I just feel like I see it. I see what the college coaches go not well so often. How amazing would he be in this market though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh God, you talk about just every day. We'd have to play audio.

[Don Hahn]

It'd be great. Every day and imagine how strongly Mr. Keegan would feel about now. You remember Kiffin? He was with the Raiders. You remember this, don't you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, it was brief.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, if I wasn't good, was there. It was. Was there a. Was there a meltdown?

[Don Hahn]

A meltdown in L. A?

[Alan Hahn]

It was. It was a really bad divorce.

[Don Hahn]

I got to revisit that.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't even think. I think there was. There was something with. I got. I gotta. I just want to double check. I don't want to speak out of school, but I.

[Don Hahn]

And I want to look at the order too. Like, what had he done in college prior to the Raiders and then what happened afterwards? I'm just always curious about that because sometimes it's just a thing. Now, now, if you. If you're interested in the Raiders, they are playing in Thursday Night football. And every NFL Thursday is your chance at the jackpot on FanDuel. All right, so here's the deal. You get your share of $2 million in bonus bets each week. All you got to do is place an anytime touchdown score bet before the game kicks off. And if your player scores the first or last TD of the game, you win your bet plus a share of bonus bets. Just visit FanDuel.com Peter, that's me. To take a shot of the jackpot. FanDuel.com Peter. To get in on the action this Thursday, 21 and over physically present New York option required. Must apply. Profit boost token on select market. Prize pool to be split equally among all eligible participants who made the correct first or last CD pick. Bonus issued is now withdrawable bonus bets which expire 21 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See [e-mail] for help with a gambling problem, call 878 open wire text open wire 467369.

[Alan Hahn]

No, just go ahead because I'm getting older. It's. Take your time to lose it. The whole Al Davis with the overhead projector.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Wasn't that Lane Kiffin?

[Don Hahn]

I don't remember. Is that what you don't remember?

[Alan Hahn]

He had a whole big, like, meltdown press conference. He had an overhead projector. He was writing all things down. And I thought it was like after he fired Lane Kiffin, he had like this.

[Don Hahn]

I'm going to look this up crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

Just look it up to see because I want to make sure I got.

[Don Hahn]

That right from kickoff.

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[Alan Hahn]

So Jermaine Johnson stays a jet. About 40 minutes ago he text or tweeted this out. Get your thoughts on I'd be lying if I said I was happy my brothers are gone because I'm not. I'm sick. But I believe strongly in the organization, staff and my other brothers. In the locker room. I said when I got drafted I wanted to be the reason or part of the reason this thing gets changed for the better and that's going to continue to be my outlook. I love this team and this fan base and you all will continue to get my all my absolute best on and off the field. Let's look onward and upward because better things are coming and I give my word on that. Go Jets. Always with a green heart.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He sounds like a guy that knows that he was on the table and if somebody would have made an offer, he would have been gone. Is he disappointed that he's not free?

[Alan Hahn]

I would Think so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because like there is this thought of escape from New York. Hey, you know, they know what's going. They know what this is.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, it's a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, you got out. Good for you.

[Alan Hahn]

Diana Rossini tweeted out earlier that according to sources, the jets were offered to make deals within the division and they declined because they didn't want to make teams. I'm assuming the Patriots and the Bills Dolphins I don't think are making any trades right now. So if the New England Patriots or Buffalo Bills had offered a second round pick to the jets for Jermaine Johnson, I think they would have pulled the. And they pulled the trigger. I think he'd be a happy man. I'm not. I'm not, you know, disrespectful to the Jets. He's got a chance to go play and we're a chance in New England to go to the playoffs and the Bills to go to a Super Bowl. Why would he balk at that? But that didn't happen and now he's with the jets and he's trying to make the best of the situation. I think could be true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think it was New England probably.

[Alan Hahn]

It would probably be New England.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was the Patriots who I think were in on him.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or wanted to get him. And the jets were like, well, he's not.

[Alan Hahn]

And I'm with Greeny. I don't. Because the Mets and Yankees pull that garbage. I don't want to make the other team better. Come on, this is divisional.

[Don Hahn]

But it's still silly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What if I told you Woody Johnson's the one who said no?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that would make sense, especially because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If he paid attention to John Mara and John Mara being sick. To see Saquon Barkley going to the Eagles. Woody Johnson, like, I don't want to see.

[Alan Hahn]

I saw offense Jermaine Johnson, but he's not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't mean Jermaine John. I'm saying the pre soul.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, the Bruce Hall. This is the problem. Breeze hall is in Saquon Bar.

[Don Hahn]

Same point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you listen to Bart Scotty is. Did you hear part? I think don't look at him that way. Look at the offense. You'd think they would feature him. They don't.

[Alan Hahn]

I know, but. But wasn't taking second overall.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, but if I'm telling you that, that Mujee had an offer from the Patriots for Breeze hall for the asking price of a third round pick and Woody Johnson said no because I don't want him going to the Patriots, how would you feel about that? That Bad business.

[Alan Hahn]

It wouldn't necessarily be bad business to Bart's point, because maybe hall can be a part of the future of this team. He just said he's going to give him a contract.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Does that. Bart says he believes that.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Does it look like they look at him as a no piece of the office?

[Alan Hahn]

They didn't give him a contract and they also, they also don't feature him. They don't fe him. They didn't even contract when they gave Wilson and Sauce a deal. So. And then it becomes a Saquon situation where he can end up walking and then. And you could have traded something for.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So again, if I told you the.

[Alan Hahn]

Owner said no, that would be typical Woody Johnson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's bad business.

[Alan Hahn]

It's bad business because that's emotion. You can make. See, the thing with the. And the other thing that's the bad analogy with Saquon is is that you hate him to go to the Eagles and you for nothing. But if they had traded him the year before to Philadelphia and you got like a second or third round pick, it would still stink that he won the super bowl. But you got something for him. Right. You know, so I know you hate the Patriots and all that stuff, but if you got a chance to get a pick for a player you don't think is a part of your future and you didn't do it because you didn't want to make the Patriots.

[Don Hahn]

But I just, that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I worry. I worry that that's what happened. I worry that that's what happened because I had heard that the Patriots, I mean, they clearly are looking for a running back. Right. And I, I had heard that he was a guy that they had great interest in.

[Don Hahn]

Why wouldn't they?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course they should.

[Don Hahn]

And, and wouldn't you if you're as close as the Patriots are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But why wouldn't the jets do it.

[Don Hahn]

If you're as close as the Patriots are? You're telling me second round pick, third round pick wouldn't be worth it to add that to your A team. That's not a chance.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. Like. And again. Right. All of it makes sense.

[Don Hahn]

But you're right. But you're right. Woody would be the reason why owner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stepped in and said he can't go to the Patriots and you're like, all right, well he can't go then. And now you're Breece hall, who is he deleted some tweets. But that like what.

[Don Hahn]

What had he said?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it deleted. The problem is that they don't. They're not there anymore. So I was trying to like nobody. It doesn't look like anybody screen grabbed them but he. There's no way he wants the report.

[Alan Hahn]

Was he wanted to be tried.

[Don Hahn]

Well and by the way, you're not even allowed to be offended by that.

[Alan Hahn]

Sorry.

[Don Hahn]

You cannot as a fan or teammate. No one can be offended by Breece.

[Alan Hahn]

Hall saying it is clearly on the table now based on how this team was gutted today that they may not win another game. That's on the table now. I think they will still win another game. But you know, I'm sure the objective is part of this is like hey wouldn't. I'm not saying we're tanking but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we ended up one in 16 because we need a quarterback now. I don't know the Saints going to win another game? Are the Titans going to win another game?

[Don Hahn]

That was my favorite part of Greeny. Like even when he's like talking about the jets blowing it up, he still has some sort of insane optimism about winning where he's like, let's say the jets come in third or fourth. I'm like Greeny, there's a very good chance of the worst team in football. What they have the same. They have the worst win total in the NFL as we speak. There's a good chance they'll be sitting.

[Alan Hahn]

There at the end again. I was on. I was. I don't want to say they just.

[Don Hahn]

Unloaded their best players for God's sake.

[Alan Hahn]

I was in Anaheim Sunday so I listened to the Giant game on serious Papa and Banks. Great. The game they gave me Fox didn't have a doubleheader so I did not have for me at 10am Game on Fox.

[Don Hahn]

So you got. Wait, there was none.

[Alan Hahn]

So nothing. I get my CBS game and it makes sense from where I was was the Chargers and Titans. Now that happened to be my three point play. I don't know what it is about my three point plays. I can't hit them. So I end up watching more of that game than any human being really should have.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Titans weren't bad. They could play some D. You know they could. They got to Herbert.

[Don Hahn]

How did Ward look? He was.

[Alan Hahn]

He was abused pretty like they get Chargers got to him and so, but, but, but bought because it was my three point play. He was able to put together a drive late to kick a field goal to make a 10 point game, a seven point. Then I'm like you know what? Lose you animals. And then, then, then of course, then he's getting sacked. Can't do anything. But the point is, is that I watched a lot of that game. And the Titans, I think, will win another game. The Saints, I don't know, because the Saints look like they've taken a knee on even playing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They don't want to win. They need a quarterback. They don't want to win.

[Don Hahn]

Saints got to play the Giants again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They don't want to win.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's not going to happen.

[Don Hahn]

No, they don't want to win. But the jets don't want to win either. Down a lot of players.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They did all they could.

[Don Hahn]

And if you're. And if you're Breeze hall, how do you even approach the rest of the season?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right? Well, what do you. Honestly, if you think about it for a while, you tell yourself, I put stuff on tape, want to get teams interested in me, right? So you still have that motivation. Now, if you're like, all right, they didn't trade me and these clowns are probably going to franchise tag me now, like this.

[Don Hahn]

And you have to remember, too, you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don'T want to be here, man.

[Don Hahn]

You have to remember, too, with running backs, when you find out they're rebuilding and they want to keep you around, if they keep you around, that can mean your entire window of your prime is over.

[Alan Hahn]

It's gone. It's here. No, but we'll see. Maybe they'll give him a contract as Bart suggested. Let's go to Jamie in New Jersey. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Jamie.

[Bart Scott]

You go with me?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, sure. What's up?

[Bart Scott]

Nothing, man. I was just, you know, listening on all the things you guys are talking about. But I was. I was on the. You're talking about jets, but I'm on the Jets.

[Alan Hahn]

Whole situation.

[Bart Scott]

But, you know, I was. I was more on the Giants on the day ball. Well, you know what my feel is? I think you keep day ball, why keep disability for the kid.

[Alan Hahn]

But the stability's bad, man. Two and seven, three straight years. He's not a good coach, Jamie.

[Bart Scott]

But you found your guy, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, not necessarily. I mean, if he's a good quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

Maybe they have their guy, Jamie, maybe they don't. But maybe they could add their guy with Daniel Jones if they had a better coach.

[Alan Hahn]

And by the way, I just don't know. Yeah, he's. I listen. He couldn't. He was. He was ripping a bong hit when I called on him. But that's good, you know, it's good being high as long as you're not, you know, operating a motor vehicle.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, trimming the hedges. But this idea with the stability.

[Don Hahn]

With what?

[Alan Hahn]

What stability? I'm. I'm on a cracked chair. I'm in the air. I'm three feet off the ground, but the chair's falling apart. But, you know, it's better than not.

[Don Hahn]

Having a chair at all.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a stability. What? What's stability? Two and seven, Three straight years. Two and seven.

[Bart Scott]

Three straight years.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not all because of injury. It's not all because the schedule's tough. The guy can't coach. He's a good offensive coordinator. He works well with quarterbacks. But he stinks as a coach. He's got to go out. Goodbye. Oh, but you're gonna hurt the ball quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

The ball quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

You take the offensive coordinator and the head coach away, and then he's not gonna be able to play. So we're gonna keep the bad coach. So the quarterback plays well, but they continue to lose games. But we still have a quarterback. I don't like it either, but if he's a good quarterback, it's not like you're severing limbs by replacing the head coach of the offensive coordinator. He might be able to fight through it. Okay, he might be able to. But no, Peter, three straight years. 2 and 7. Listen, I've only been following football for, like, 45. 45 years now. 2 and 7 is not a good record.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Alan's not good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not three straight years of it.

[Alan Hahn]

But then you do it. Three straight years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Yeah, that's.

[Don Hahn]

That's not good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sometimes it's just right there. It's just right there in front of you.

[Alan Hahn]

We really need to let. Take the deep dive. 2 and 7 every year.

[Don Hahn]

And.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, by the way. And can we go ahead?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's all right.

[Alan Hahn]

Peter and I lived through it. We. Someone and Louise did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We.

[Alan Hahn]

Thelma and Louise. We know. Even Selma is in the trunk. That's the deleted scene. She was tied and gagged in the trunk. Which made the ending of that movie way different than what people think. We. Thelma and Louise, that entire season. We analyzed it, dissected it every day on the K show. They were 9, 7 and 1. They were like a fart away from being 7, 9 and 1 and missing the playoffs. Okay? I'm telling you, they literally pulled games out of the rumpus. It was amazing.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. And good for them. They did it. And then they got. I'm surprised that the Vikings didn't wear gold in that game because they were handed like the golden ticket of advancing to the divisional round.

[Don Hahn]

Correct.

[Alan Hahn]

And then if the Giants were a murder victim in Philadelphia, they would have brought a mop. There'd be no body bag. They would bring a mop and some Tupperware because there was nothing left. It was like Freddy Krueger. It was Johnny Depp in Freddy Krueger.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah. Nightmare one they bring done through the tv. Head through the tv.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. And that's what we but did. But he was coaching a year. One, two, three, two and seven starts.

[Don Hahn]

That's not what you want.

[Alan Hahn]

Not good, Bob.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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