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- [00:00]
Don La Greca
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Peter Rosenberg
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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Michael Kay
That sounds like heaven to me.
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Peter Rosenberg
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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Michael Kay
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Chris Carlin
It's tolly time.
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Michael Kay
Only one game on your local schedule and it's the Yankees. They're home against the twins for a 7:05 first pitch. Tullamore Dew, the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish Whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew Honey during today's action. Glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly. Well, we started the show with the woes of the baseball teams and that just continues. And I just can't help but think, Peter, how much we talk during the off season of how special this season was going to be. And I know it's first world problems, right? The Twins are coming to town. They're not going to the playoffs. They would wish they'd be where the Yankees are in the standings. Mets are going to be taking on the Braves starting tomorrow. The Braves wish they could be where the Mets are in the standings. But these two teams went into this year trying to take the next step and to see a significant step backwards. It's frustrating for Yankee fans because it feels like it's going to be another year without a championship and there'll be, there'll be no change for the Mets. Peter, I've lived this my entire life. The lack of sustainability where they've only made the playoffs back to back years twice in franchise history. They follow up 101 win season in in 22, missed the playoffs in 23, have this amazing run last year to make the playoffs only to now be in this situation instead of taking a next step. If they do make the playoffs, it might be as the third wild card team and out early. When are we going to get some sustainability? They finally got an owner that spends money. They finally have a General manager that looks like he knows what he's doing. Even though I'm not thrilled with the pitching staff right now and the length they're giving you. But why does it seem like the entire Met's history is little flashes in instead of like, long sustainability? And for the Yankees, they've got the long sustainability, but haven't in the last 25 years seen the fruit of their labor?
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Chris Carlin
Right.
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Michael Kay
And so. And it's just amounting to what was supposed to be such a special summer of comparing Soto and judges numbers. I mean, go back to all those spring shows we did with Allen where it was going to be like Willie, Mickey and the Duke back in the 50s where my guy's better than your guy. And us having fun during the baseball season. This baseball season, for the most part, has not been any fun.
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Chris Carlin
No.
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Michael Kay
These teams are grossly under.500 over the last 50 games, which is pretty much the entire summer. Both got off to quick starts. And they're in the playoffs because of that and because of the fact that baseball's now turned to the hockey and basketball, where the percentage chances you would make in the playoffs are much better and that average teams are still alive come September. But that's what we're looking at here. Forget the records. You're looking at two very average baseball teams that are capable of going on runs, have gone on runs, but also remind you that they could very easily fall off the face of the earth. Mets go from winning seven straight games to now losing 10 of 11. Yankees, same thing. They could turn around and sweep the Minnesota Twins or they can get swept. We don't know. We really don't know. And the talent that these two teams have, we shouldn't be in the situation that we're in. So is it rock bottom? Are they going to come definitely out of the playoffs, or are we already twiddling our thumbs till we get the football? No, but, Peter, it's supposed to be way, way better than it's been. And it just feels like it's just going to end with a murmur instead of having what we had last year.
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Chris Carlin
Now, let me ask you this question. Do you think before we land on that murmur, there will be a tease moment with at least one of these teams where you start to believe again before it dashed?
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Michael Kay
I wouldn't doubt both of them. I would. Not that at some point, because remember, we got. I know The Mets have 44, 42. I got. I have to.
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Chris Carlin
We're in the 50 range.
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Michael Kay
We're. We're way less than 50 a little over 40 games left.
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Chris Carlin
You're going. You consider that way less than 50.
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Michael Kay
44 when you dip under, like if you round off 45 would become 50, right? Under 40.
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Chris Carlin
Wait, that goes to way though I didn't know it to weigh under 50, but go ahead, keep your point nonetheless. All right, keep going.
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Michael Kay
Feel like I'm doing a show with Michael all of a sudden.
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Chris Carlin
Well, no, I was the one who said around 50. Way under 15. Well, I mean, so I felt bad. Now I feel like I don't even know what I'm talking about. No, but okay, either way, between 40 and 45 games left. So you want an exact number? Give me an exact number.
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Michael Kay
The Yankees are. The Yankees have played 118 games.
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Chris Carlin
118, that's 44 to you and me. 44.
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Michael Kay
So the, and the Mets, as I do the quick math here, the Mets, what's the record?
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Chris Carlin
Give it to me.
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Michael Kay
Their, their record is 63 and 55. So yeah, so they're, they're also at 118.
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Chris Carlin
Cool. So 44 piece.
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Michael Kay
So you've messed up my point. Will there be, will there be a.
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Chris Carlin
Toot at some point?
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Michael Kay
If you will, there will be a 7 out of 10, 8 out of 10. Make you believe again, but then probably come back down to earth because that's what borderline average teams do, right? They'll go on a little run, they'll go on a toot, as you said, play well for a week and then all of a sudden come right back down to earth again. Remember, the Mets won seven in a row not that long ago. All right, so yeah, we'll see that. But I think truly great championship caliber teams have to be able to sustain. You mentioned earlier in the show, you know, the Dodgers have kind of been not doing that well. They're five and five over their last 10. All right. They've seen their lead in the west shrimp down to 2.
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Chris Carlin
In this market, that's considered going on a run.
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Michael Kay
But I don't you think that when you're the Los Angeles Dodgers and you won two titles in the last five years, that it could be a bit of playing with your food?
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Chris Carlin
Yes.
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Michael Kay
Okay. Now you could say, well, Don, maybe the Yankees are playing with their food. Well, they shouldn't, considering the fact they're four back of Toronto, they may not win the division. All right, they're not playing with their food because they had a six game lead and it shrunk down to four. They're four. They're in third place. I know there's A lot of baseball left to be played. A lot can change. Both of these teams are the third wild card. The Mets are a game and a half from not making the playoffs. The Yankees are a half game back not making the playoffs. If the Guardians have beaten the White Sox yesterday, the Yankees would be in fourth place in the wild card. And by the way, the Texas Rangers, they've lost four in a row, but they're still hanging around. Only three back of the Yankees. And it seems like every time the Yankees play a good team, Blue Jays can't beat them. Houston lost two out of three, lost two out of three to the Texas Rangers. Right. They have not played well against Detroit so far this year. Mets kind of the same thing, right? Like they just. They. Yeah, they played well against the Dodgers earlier in the year, but the Mets went up against the brewers. Right? Now, the best team in baseball record of 73 and 44 got swept and lost every way possible. Which is another thing that, you know, bad to average teams do. Finding ways to lose games. We're talking championship with these guys, Peter. And they might not even make the playoffs, playoffs. And will there be any accountability if the bottom drops out? Will we see any significant change? I'm not talking about Chavez getting fired as hitting coach or the Yankees tweaking this or that. Is there any chance that anybody will be changed? And the answer is no. All right. Mendoza is only in his second year and for the most part's done a good job. Went to the. Went to two games of the World Series last year. Stearns just got here. So if things did bottom out and collapse, I don't think you'd see any changes. And the Yankees never make any changes. You think Boone's going to get fired if they miss the playoffs? Honestly, you've been around. You think there's a scenario that Aaron Boone loses his job at the end of the year if they miss the playoffs?
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Chris Carlin
I've said this before and I apologize. It's a boring answer. Something would really have to unfold. That's like just truly like, oh my God, oh my God. Collapse. That would also have to include notable mistakes by him or him, like publicly not carrying himself well, which is not something he does. So it's a long way of me saying no, no, I don't think so. But I don't know, Don, if they go. If they pull a full Orioles go, oh, and 22 down the stretch. Okay, we'll have a conversation.
- [09:24]
Michael Kay
If short of that, within reason because they just gave him a contract extension. Yankees are not in the business of paying guys to do nothing. And they've got built in excuses. God love the Yankees, but they'll be the first to tell you if injuries are the reason why they struggled. Hey, yeah, we missed the playoffs, but you know, we lost Cole at the beginning of the year. We didn't have heel for 75% of the season. We lost Clark Schmidt. We didn't have Stan for the first month and a half of the season. And when we did, he, he couldn't play the field. Judge went on the il. When he came back, he couldn't play the field. Like they'll have built in excuses and it won't bottom out the way you said for either of these teams, I wouldn't think because there's too much talent for it to bottom out. That's what's so frustrating. They're just a big tease. They're never going to be bad enough where they're going to scorched earth or completely miss the playoffs or be out of it, but they're not going to be near good enough for you to feel comfortable. They're going to be able to make the playoffs, but they'll meander through the rest of the summer. There'll be highs and lows, but at the end of the day they're going to both be wild card teams. And then it's the whole luck of the draw in the postseason. We'll see what happens. Is that what this season was supposed to be about?
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Chris Carlin
Well, and here's the funny part. How about this? What if that happens for one of these teams and then they, anyone, anything can happen in the playoffs and they actually make something happen in the playoffs and go on a run of sorts. Not win the World Series, of course, because then the ends actually do justify the means. Always. But assuming you don't win the World Series, Don, but you go on a run to the CS and come within a game or two of the World Series, do we then forget that this still wasn't how it was supposed to be? They still weren't good, but maybe they catch lucky breaks in the playoff. Like, at what point do you say, forget it, the aberration is not the playoff run. The aberration was playing poorly in the regular season. Where does that line get drawn? That's the thing that's so hard about baseball. When can you say once and for all if it failed, I guess, being out of the playoffs. But they both start. They always seem to start. Both teams will either start or finish strong enough that it never allows you to fully feel that way. It's mind numbing.
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Michael Kay
No. Well, because you've got. There is something to just kind of making a run.
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Chris Carlin
You know what it makes me appreciate? The New York football teams, they're bad enough that we, we are terrible. We are outright terrible. We are firing the coach. We are resetting again and again and again and again. But at least, you know, there's no this pretending and it just continues on forever. I believe invariably the Giants will find their footing again. They will one day become the Giants again. But they're not tricking you right now into thinking they're kind of. That they're not.
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Michael Kay
And also we talk about the talent that these two teams have and there's certainly question of how talented the Giants jets have been. There's no question the Yankees and the Mets are both talented. But when you've got.
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Chris Carlin
That's even worse.
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Michael Kay
Both in the top five in payroll. Now the conversation becomes, well, maybe they're only competitive because they spend so much money. That really is. Are there intelligent baseball decisions being made or is it just, hey, of course they're going to be in it every year. They spend so much money. The Mets went out and got the best player in baseball and Soto, they're able to bring back Alonzo.
- [12:36]
Chris Carlin
So why can't that be the response to a Michael? For example, when Michael gets into Yankees planing respectfully and says, hey, this is what the analytics people say. This is what they're going to do at what point and tell me if I'm wrong and this has happened and I missed it. At what point do you completely blow out your analytics department and say, fine, or the way we operate is analytics, but this is being done completely wrong, we're not doing it well enough.
- [12:59]
Michael Kay
Or the opposite. When does Hal say, why, if we're run analytically, am I spending $300 million? Why am I spending all this money on starting pitching and you're pulling the guy out in the sixth inning, you know, so why am I spending all of this money if we've got all of this money that we use for, for scouting and all?
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Chris Carlin
So who would you have rather been the last decade, the Yankees or the Rays?
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Michael Kay
I'd still. I mean, the Rays, Rays have gone to a World Series too, but the Yankees I think have a lot more sustainable, but they've been pretty much somewhat equal and yet the money's been completely blown away.
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Chris Carlin
And how about the expectations? I mean, obviously rude, the fact that no one cares about the Rays. If the Rays were in a market where people cared about them. You could argue you'd much rather be the Rays who've had if we were to look wins and losses probably be similar World Series appearance, but at least you know, they're playing it close to the line and find a way to compete. Not we have the best player in baseball. We have Giancarlo Stanton who has a contract till all of us are dead. And you know, I'm a playoff G guy, but it's still a lot of money and we just consistently disappoint.
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Michael Kay
Yeah. And now, you know, not making the playoffs would be a huge disappointment. And what puts the Yankees in a tough spot is they went to the World Series last year. So anything short of winning the whole thing is going to look like a disappointment. A Met fan could still see them maybe make a run back to the league Championship Series and and see some value in that.
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Chris Carlin
It's it. No, the situation is unquestionably easier if you're a Met fan. A, because the bar is always lower. B, it's the big. It's still the beginning of the Cohen era. They're still figuring out what this whole.
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Michael Kay
Thing the beginning of the Cohen era. But you know, once you go to within two games of the World Series, it really speeds up the process a little bit.
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Chris Carlin
Does. But I think, don't you think Mets fans felt like the Mets fans felt last year a little bit like I did as a Commanders fan. Like we got here awful fast now they went ahead but then they went out and added one of the best players in baseball. So you think, well, now we definitely are going to go finish the job.
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Michael Kay
Right. But let me ask you, would you. Would you be okay with finishing nine and eight and being the third wild card this year after going to the championship game last year?
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Caller
No.
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Chris Carlin
I'd be ticked. I would. But part of me in my brain does go into the season knowing we're probably not going to be 11 and 6 and win the East. It's probably not going to be as good as I like.
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Michael Kay
But like you just, you know, that was the money quote though. The Mets went out and added one of the best players in baseball.
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Chris Carlin
Right.
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Michael Kay
So even if last year was accelerated and maybe was a bit fluky.
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Chris Carlin
No. We said the commander signed Debo Samuel, not Justin Jefferson.
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Michael Kay
Right. Exactly. So that's a little bit of a different situation. Let's go to Steve in Middle Village running SPN New York. What's up, Steve?
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Caller
I can't agree more with everything you said. It's like I shouldn't Even be on the show. But I thank you for taking the call. I'm an old Yankee fan, so let me vent a little bit. I remember the 1960s, when they fell off a cliff. After 1964, in my perspective, the Yankees had. I felt the Yankees had more hope from 1965 until I think it was 74 or 75, because the people who were running the Yankees knew there was a problem. And this was pre. This was pre free agent. So they had to build from within that. Then of course, Steinbrenner came in. They got Gabe Paul, he made some great trades. But at least they knew there was a problem with the. With the Yankees. They don't think it's a problem?
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Michael Kay
Nope. I mean.
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Caller
I mean the pomposity of the Cashmen, who is tired. It's over. And the ownership. And Boone is a nice man, he knows baseball, but he's just following orders. It doesn't make any sense to me. I'd like to make two more points. I know I've gone on a little bit too long. I was driving around, I think it was on Old Timers Day. And I listened to a little bit of the Yankee game as I was doing errands. And it finally came to me as if in a vision. Pitchers today overthrow all of them. Yankees, anybody. They all go for 100 miles an hour and hitters over swing. I got that because they mentioned that Volpe, a shortstop who can't field with the Yankees, is batting.217, but he has 17 home runs and 62 RBIs. I'd like to know how many runs he's given up and how many losses he has occurred. Because they've kind of taken this young guy and they say, you know what? We want to hit. We want you to hit home runs.
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Michael Kay
Well, they can't be happy about the defense. But you bring up an interesting point. They're happy Volpe is hitting 17 home runs. My finish with 25 home runs, they're happy with that. Do you realize that there wouldn't be a Tony Gwynn today. There wouldn't be a Rod Carew today. There wouldn't be a George Brett today. Guys that would hit 350 hit the other way. Line drives to the gap. No, they want launch angle. They want home runs. That's what they want. That's why they don't care about the strikeouts. Because the more you try to hit home run, the more likely you are to strike out. So the game has changed from that aspect. But I don't think they bargained on Volpe, you know, leading the league in air errors like he has at times this year. Anthony and Douglaston, you're on ESPN New York.
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Caller
Hi, guys. Thank you for taking the call. First off, congratulations, Peter. Wishing nothing but blessings.
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Michael Kay
What's up?
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Caller
Also, congratulations, Don, man, I, I couldn't be happier for you. And there couldn't be a better guy for the job.
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Michael Kay
Thank you.
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Caller
Congratulations on that. Can't wait to hear you. And my point was basically quick point on if everything goes, you know, rotten for the Yankees, I'm not really too optimistic. As a die hard Yankees fan, I don't really want to see Boone go. But if everything goes bad and they don't make the playoffs, I think Don Mattingly would be a number one candidate. And I also like, kind of like a funny point. I, I think this is the best time to bet the Yankees for the World Series. I don't think they're going to win, but what are the odds? So I feel like this, this could be a good chance to, you know, maybe cash in some money. And my last point.
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Michael Kay
Yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say we gotta update that because we haven't looked at it in a couple of weeks, but I'm sure the odds are still pretty juicy to bet the Yankees to go to the World Series. So you're probably right about that.
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Caller
Yeah. And yeah, my last point, it was amazing and pretty nostalgic to see the Old Timers game this weekend and it was just also tragic to see what happened to Mo. So I would like to hear from you guys. I don't know if you guys spoke about it earlier now again, the last game they play again, will they cancel it?
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Michael Kay
I hope not. But I'll tell you what was more disturbing than, than the Achilles that we talked about earlier is that like there's nobody in the building that's probably what's going to cancel it. Like, what, am I going to go through all these trouble, have these guys come here, fly them at our expense and the building's half full like Peter, I get there's a lot of guys in the game that none of that they didn't see. Like Anthony Pusick never saw, you know, Goose Gossage or, you know, Guidry play, but that you're still not interested. Like when I was a kid, I'd want to see guys that I never saw play before. My dad saw play. I mean, I was just, I was. It happens. I just wish. I just wonder why I'm going to sound like the old man on the lawn oh boy. I just wonder why the younger generation doesn't appreciate the past the way we did when we were younger. I feel like I thirsted for the knowledge of all the guys I never saw play. I would dive into the baseball encyclopedia. I'd watch the old games, I'd ask my dad, what was Willie Mays like? What was Mickey Mantle like? What was ya Tittle like? I love that. Am I wrong to think that this, this current generation doesn't care about anything prior to when they were born? Because. Because you wouldn't go. It's only a three inning game. You wouldn't go. See like hall of Fame players play in a game like that. That wouldn't entertain you.
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Chris Carlin
I'd be interested for a team that I adore. Yeah, sure.
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Michael Kay
But it doesn't seem like the younger generation cares about anything that happened prior to when they were born. And again, I'm sounding like that old man, but I guess that whenever the Rangers retire a number of somebody from like 30, 40 years ago, there's nobody in the building. By the way though, that's retired Koozman's number. Nobody there. But then when they retire, you know, somebody more recent then, like David Wright, the place is packed.
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Chris Carlin
I think this is where the Jeter thing really hurts because that, that impacts the young.
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Michael Kay
Do you buy the excuse that his daughter's birthday was. Had a birthday party?
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Chris Carlin
No, I'm fine with it. I don't care.
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Michael Kay
But the reason I don't buy it is because he told you he's not doing it, man.
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Chris Carlin
That's the thing. If you wanted to go, obviously you could move your daughter's birthday by a.
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Michael Kay
Day or two or I would think, listen, I've got kids, I think around the same age that Jeter's kids are. We don't plan that far in advance for a birthday party. Maybe a month. Just like if you're booking a room. Derek Jeter, I mean, you make one phone call, it's done in five minutes.
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Chris Carlin
How early did they reach out to him about this?
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Michael Kay
Would have been like six months ago, I would think. Probably. Definitely before the start of the season. They've worked out the schedule we're doing and then wouldn't you want to confirm with Derek Jeter more than anyone?
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Chris Carlin
Actually, he'd be the first person. In fact, you might change the date if he told you he can't do it now.
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Michael Kay
If I call him March for something in August, There is no way that his daughter's birthday is already booked in.
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Chris Carlin
March, I would think.
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Michael Kay
Not unless it Was the Taj Mahal or something like that even so, real.
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Chris Carlin
Quick, the game was Saturday. Hey. Hey, sweetie. We got to do your birthday on Sunday. It's not that hard, but if it's.
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Michael Kay
A last minute thing, maybe you're not changing it. Invitations already sent out. You're not sending invitations in March or April or May for a birthday in August. You might get them a couple of weeks, maybe a month ahead of time. The kids got a birthday party they're going to on Saturday. They found out before he left for vacation. That's normal. Now I realize Derek Teeter's not normal. And I'm not throwing any shade at him. I'm just saying I don't buy it. He said he doesn't want to go. That's probably the reason he doesn't want to go.
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Chris Carlin
I think that's it.
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Michael Kay
But Roger Clemens doesn't move the needle for you.
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Chris Carlin
I don't think in the way Derek Jeter does.
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Michael Kay
No, no, I get that. It's not Derek Jeter. There's other great Yankees. You know, I don't know. I'm sounding like an old man, but that's me. 1-800-919-3776. I got a kick out of old timers. I watched the Yankees even though I'm not a Yankee fan. They were celebrating one of the, you know, the worst World Series of my life when the Mets lost to the Yankees in the world. And I'm still watching because it's school. You don't know how long these guys have with us.
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Chris Carlin
No idea. They don't live in forever. That's why you got to take advantage.
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Michael Kay
But what are you going to do?
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Chris Carlin
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- [27:13]
Peter Rosenberg
Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
- [27:17]
Chris Carlin
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [27:18]
Peter Rosenberg
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
- [27:26]
Michael Kay
So you re watched Click.
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Chris Carlin
Yeah.
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Michael Kay
Which was Michael's big movie? Changed his life, did it? He claimed it did. That was his big needle mover movie. When he saw it and he came in the next day, he's like I just saw a movie that changed my life and I went and watched it and I thought it was okay. Didn't change my life at all. But it was, you know, It's A Wonderful Life Mach 2 for Michael. But you rewatched it knowing all of this. And what was your take?
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Chris Carlin
Well, that's why I watched it. I watched the movie because of.
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Michael Kay
And you. You had seen it before?
- [28:10]
Chris Carlin
I had seen pieces of it years ago.
- [28:12]
Michael Kay
Oh, so you never sat down and watched the whole movie?
- [28:14]
Chris Carlin
No, I'm trying to, by the way.
- [28:16]
Michael Kay
I was just searching for the drop of you screaming Click. Because it seemed like the Rick.
- [28:21]
Chris Carlin
So I had never watched it all the way through.
- [28:24]
Michael Kay
Okay.
- [28:25]
Chris Carlin
And now that I'm a dad, and I'm certainly doing some of the things I promised I wouldn't do. Right. Like, I'm having moments when instead of playing with the baby, I'm on the phone, I'm looking at crap on the Internet. So because of that, Don, I thought it'd be a valuable thing to watch, you know, to remind myself, like, don't waste time when Maya's this age. Like, it's. And so I watched it a. It is relatively. It's a silly movie.
- [28:51]
Michael Kay
It has going on 20 years, I think it was. Oh, six.
- [28:54]
Chris Carlin
It's. It's a silly movie. Michael really does make it sound like it changed his life. Like, in a way, like. Like when I was 20, the way I felt about American Beauty is how Michael, at, like, 50, felt about click, which is interesting.
- [29:09]
Michael Kay
American Beauty. Did it win?
- [29:11]
Chris Carlin
It did. It won Best Picture.
- [29:13]
Michael Kay
Yeah.
- [29:13]
Chris Carlin
No one best. Listen. It won Best levels to this. Well, that's what I'm trying to say. So hear me out. Don, at 20 years old, in a phase in which you're still overly affected by things.
- [29:24]
Michael Kay
Sure.
- [29:24]
Chris Carlin
Right. Like you're discovering your real Persona. I was deeply affected by a movie that won Best Picture when I was 20. Michael was deeply affected by Click when he was in his 50s. It's just a different sort of situation.
- [29:43]
Michael Kay
Yes.
- [29:44]
Chris Carlin
But I just. I came away thinking it's such a Michael thing because, like, while the movie does have parts that are just really sad, the basic premise of it is so unrealistic. Like, if the message is trying to send you is, don't fast forward through life. Don't rush through things. Enjoy everything, because it's gone. Right.
- [30:05]
Michael Kay
Smell the roses.
- [30:06]
Chris Carlin
Yes. And that part is impactful. Like, there's one part in particular where his parents want to come over for dinner, and he fast forwards through it and he skips the whole thing. And then later in the movie when he keeps going, he finds out his dad died. And then he sees the last time he saw his dad, and he was a complete jerk to him and didn't even care. And the second he realizes he's not in fact dead. Spoiler alert. The first thing he does is barge into his parents house. They're sleeping. And throw himself on his dad. Henry Winkler. Throw himself on top of his dad and be like, I love you, you're the best dad. And I found it powerful. That was a lovely pull. And I think Michael's deeply affected by father stuff, right? For a variety of reasons. But Don, you then find out a few minutes later, nothing happened. It was all a dream, Everything's okay, everyone's still there. And you kind of end feeling pretty good. Like, oh, no, no, no. The real message here is we have an opportunity to do things better. And it's just so Michael that his version of it is just the depressing version of all the horrible stuff that happened. He doesn't come away being bew. Wait a second. I don't have to have it be that way. My kids are still young and in Michael's case, they still are. They're not babies anymore, but they're still young children.
- [31:17]
Michael Kay
Yes.
- [31:19]
Chris Carlin
So it was, it was good. It didn't ravage me the way I was concerned that it would. Now I got a point out, something that happened.
- [31:26]
Michael Kay
Real quick.
- [31:26]
Chris Carlin
Do I have a moment, please? So I had this moment on my, on my podcast the other day. And when I say the word podcast, I need to be clear. Cheap Heat is now live on the radio. Okay, so Cheap Heat, my former podcast, now airs on your brother's. The radio station that your brother helmed, Pro Wrestling Nation 24 7. I'm not used to the fact that my show airs live on the radio yet because as you know, your mentality is different. Doing a radio show versus a podcast. There's a certain level of protectiveness you have on radio where you're talking to people who may not get you versus your podcast, where you feel like you're like with your people. It is a little different. So I had a conversation about WWE changing the format of their post show, the post show that I'm on. And they eliminated the press conference and replaced it with a situation where like we're at the desk and it kind of feels like college game day. And all the stars from the night come out on the desk with us, live crowd behind us. And it's awesome. As opposed to the press conference, which was like a quiet room filled with media. And here's the part that I think people are sensitive about. I'm using the word media kind of loosely. It would be a few people who were from the actual working media and many people who are content creators who are in the wrestling space.
- [32:52]
Michael Kay
Okay.
- [32:52]
Chris Carlin
And love wrestling. But I'm just being honest. Like, every one, there might be one or two from a very reputable outlet. Then you'd have a couple more who were very known content creators, and then there'd be many more who you might not be familiar with at all. They may have less than 10,000 YouTube subscribers. It may just not be that big a thing.
- [33:11]
Michael Kay
I tell you what, sports isn't much.
- [33:13]
Chris Carlin
Different, by the way, if that's where it's going. I hear you. So when discussing this, I was a little bit cavalier about how I said it because I think I had. I said a line like, I was like, it's, it's, it's. It felt like a small, quiet, awkward room with people sort of pretending to be media. Right. And I can see how that would be when you read that pulled out of the tone of my voice, it sounds nasty, like I was crushing everyone in the room. Like none of them are legitimate. That's not what I'm saying that. That's not what I was trying to say. What I really overall meant was I just found it to make awkward television. And yes, some of the people in there were legit and asked great questions, and some, frankly, still have a lot more work to do before they should be on a television with a microphone talking to important people. That's just a fact. I'm sorry. I'm saying that as someone who's an over 20 year veteran in the media business, some people could still use some more work. But my main thought on it is it just didn't make the most compelling tv. And as a wrestling fan, Don, I'm not a huge fan of. Right after a big wrestling show, the wrestlers come out and break character. That's just not my favorite kind of entertainment.
- [34:23]
Michael Kay
That makes sense.
- [34:24]
Chris Carlin
I'd rather them go on stage and still sort of be in character and play into it and then do interviews down the line. I don't like breaking the character immediately after a show, so it's a deeper thing. But when you pull the quote out, Don, it makes me sound like a real jerk who just took a you know what on everyone. And that's not what I meant. So I was very frustrated this morning when I saw that had become a headline that I said that. And so Chris Carlin texts me and he sends me the tweet that I posted. And Carlin goes, hey, dude, I love you. You sound a lot like Trump in this post.
- [34:58]
Michael Kay
Okay?
- [34:58]
Chris Carlin
And I went, well, what do you mean? Now I'm gonna read my tweet.
- [35:03]
Michael Kay
Okay, Ask Trump. You be the judge.
- [35:07]
Chris Carlin
I do wrestling shows every week and interviews a few times a month. It's crazy how little coverage it gets from most outlets. God forbid they mention the great work we're doing on Evolve. But if there's a chance to pull out a line or two that has any controversy to make me look like a jerk, that's what they're gonna do. And it's the most accurate take by Carlin of all time.
- [35:35]
Michael Kay
We've known Chris. I've known Chris for over 30 years, and you've known him for over a decade. It's the most salient point he's ever made.
- [35:42]
Chris Carlin
I live on or off the air. I'm complaining about the media. I've got All Caps going. I'm talking about, are you in all caps? There are a couple of All Caps spots.
- [35:52]
Michael Kay
No, no.
- [35:53]
Chris Carlin
And then there are parts.
- [35:54]
Michael Kay
Did you send it on Truth Media?
- [35:58]
Chris Carlin
And then there are parts where I'm saying no one wants to talk about all the great things I'm doing. Oh, my God, he's right.
- [36:05]
Michael Kay
You threw in a couple of fake news. It would have been definitely in if.
- [36:08]
Chris Carlin
I just referred to it as the fake wrestling media. But anyway, shout out to Chris Carlin. And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to diss all those people.
- [36:15]
Michael Kay
You know, it's funny you bring it up, because I. When I first broke into the business and I was, like, working at sportsphone and I think I told the story, they'd pay me 15 bucks to cover games because I was the one guy from Jersey and I love the Devils and I go to net games. I would go to Nets and Devil games and get sound, send back the sports phone, and they pay me 15 bucks. It wasn't anything earth shattering. And if I didn't show up, nobody would have called and said, don, where are you? It was just a way for me to come make a couple of extra bucks. And maybe something happened in the game that they might play that sound on on sportsfall. A lot of it just sat there and never got used because we were trying to break it. But I'm standing there, the same access as a guy that's been covering those teams for years for the New York Times or for wfan. And sometimes I'd wonder, like, should I even be here? But I got the same credential they do. I got a microphone. I've got the same access, but I'm not on their level. And sometimes I would think, should I even be here.
- [37:18]
Chris Carlin
Well, now imagine if it was that. But they also were airing it entirely live on television afterwards. And you at that age would have a camera turned to you and you'd be asking the question, oh, that would. It might not go great. Maybe sometimes it would, but sometimes it might not.
- [37:34]
Michael Kay
But, but that. That could happen because there would be press conference, like, I'm just talking about going into the scrums after games, but there were press conferences that I was at where they introduced coaches, where I asked the question, could have ended up on MSG or whatever was airing it, or they could have. Or if there was a podium situation, like.
- [37:54]
Chris Carlin
But that is the beauty of media.
- [37:56]
Michael Kay
Right? But that, that, that. And it still goes on today because they're a lot more respected than they were back in the day. But like, there are people that cover that. They have blogs or podcasts that get credentialed, and they're no more or less important than anything else, but they not. They're not as experienced, you know, And. But you're all kind of lumped in the same thing, right? And you have the same access. So it is.
- [38:17]
Chris Carlin
But you have to. Wrestling is weird because wrestling's a show, right? So unless you're talking about the business, which, by the way, doesn't necessarily make for a very. Post, an interesting post wrestling event press conference, then we're also talking about a show. So it's just. It's very complicated because, like, the place of a press conference after a show that's a performance show, to me doesn't make sense. It makes much more sense to have it feel staged and big and part of the event. You see what I'm saying?
- [38:49]
Michael Kay
Yeah, of course.
- [38:49]
Chris Carlin
Because this is a show. And even though I do sort of feel that way about sports to some degree, that's not how sports is treated. Sports is treated more like a news item. That's just the way things are in this country. So anyways. But either way, I feel bad sometimes when you're speaking extemporaneously a lot, you don't always say things with the nuance.
- [39:07]
Michael Kay
Right. I think that's the difference. Like, people that download your podcast are fans of you. They know you. And when you're doing live radio, there might be people listening that are casual fans. They're not as die hard of this show. Or maybe they're fans of you and not me, or vice versa. And don't get my jokes. That's what I always. I always kind of cringe when one of my rants go viral. Because how does that hit with. People don't listen to the show.
- [39:32]
Chris Carlin
You're insane person.
- [39:33]
Michael Kay
Right.
- [39:33]
Chris Carlin
They think you're an actual insane person.
- [39:35]
Michael Kay
People that know me think it's funny because they know me. They. And they know what I do. And they, and they.
- [39:41]
Chris Carlin
And they know you're not a maniac in real life.
- [39:43]
Michael Kay
Right. Because there were the, The Devil job has been overwhelmingly positive. There's always a few people that you.
- [39:50]
Chris Carlin
Mean in terms of, you mean in terms of the reaction.
- [39:51]
Michael Kay
Social media. But there were some people that didn't love me that would, like, this is the guy they hired and like would show the, the, the, the, the forte rant with me throwing the chair and everything.
- [40:02]
Caller
Yeah.
- [40:03]
Michael Kay
Out of context, I, I seem like I'm mentally ill.
- [40:06]
Chris Carlin
Complete, complete insane person.
- [40:08]
Michael Kay
Like. So if you're, if you're watching that in Nebraska and an alert pops out in your phone, talk show host in New York goes ballistic. You're thinking, this person should be institutionalized. Where people will listen to me all the time, may also share that opinion, but hopefully most of them are like, well, that's just Don.
- [40:24]
Chris Carlin
Exactly. It's just. And also when you know, because the new channel is a thing and people are paying attention to it, I'm guessing there are people out there who will listen to the shows and try to pull interesting things. And when you read a headline with words in it, it could feel a lot different than the feel of it.
- [40:39]
Michael Kay
You looked fantastic in the, the Times Square billboard.
- [40:42]
Chris Carlin
Oh, thank you.
- [40:42]
Michael Kay
My brother sent it to me.
- [40:43]
Chris Carlin
Thank you.
- [40:44]
Michael Kay
I was so happy for him because they did a whole big time square thing on the channel and all that.
- [40:48]
Chris Carlin
That was awesome.
- [40:48]
Michael Kay
And listen.
- [40:49]
Chris Carlin
And it helped. You know, it's nice for me to be the best looking person on a billboard. You don't always have that opportunity. But competition wasn't high.
- [40:55]
Michael Kay
No, no, no, no, no. Listen, those are all very talented people.
- [41:00]
Chris Carlin
Oh, very.
- [41:01]
Michael Kay
But they're not winning any beauty contest anytime soon. And I include my brother, but, you know, but that's fine. And also it's really helped that channel and that's unfortunate. But Hogan, Hogan, definitely.
- [41:14]
Chris Carlin
I know it's a, it's a horrible thing to say, but if he was going to pass away it happening then in terms of the channel was. It was clearly impactful because like, even if you were a casual fan, you might be. Oh, wow, they have a pro wrestling channel. No, let me hear what they're saying today.
- [41:29]
Michael Kay
You came on to talk about Hogan, but it was a very interesting few days because the similarities between Hogan and Ozzy Osbourne were not lost on me. Two completely different human beings, but very similar in the sense that both transcended what they did. People that never watch wrestling knew who Hulk Hogan was, and people that could never listen to a metal song knew who Ozzy Osbourne.
- [41:54]
Chris Carlin
100% true.
- [41:55]
Michael Kay
Both were able to do a lot post career with reality.
- [42:00]
Chris Carlin
Both had reality shows.
- [42:01]
Michael Kay
Yeah. And just how relevant they were to their genre. I can't believe that.
- [42:07]
Chris Carlin
Do you remember? Do you. I'm sure you guys talked about this when. When it happened because I was gone. We talked about you going to the. To the Sabbath show.
- [42:15]
Michael Kay
Yeah.
- [42:16]
Chris Carlin
That turned out to be his last.
- [42:18]
Michael Kay
Yeah. And there has to be something to closure, right?
- [42:21]
Chris Carlin
Oh, no. He knew he could. I mean, he said that he was. He said that he was getting off his medication to just try to feel that show.
- [42:28]
Michael Kay
Just, you know, just. But just having those two iconic figures. A little less controversy for Ozzy than Hulk, but still, just to be able to see the outpouring of people outside of wrestling and metal, I thought was a very ironic that they died so close to each other.
- [42:52]
Peter Rosenberg
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
- [42:55]
Chris Carlin
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [42:57]
Peter Rosenberg
Catch the show on whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
- [43:05]
Michael Kay
I dig this. What is this, Jacob?
- [43:08]
Chris Carlin
See you on the other side by a. I did.
- [43:12]
Michael Kay
Okay, good job, then. Now you know why I liked it. I was not familiar with those.
- [43:17]
Chris Carlin
I'm liking. I'm liking what I'm hearing right now.
- [43:20]
Michael Kay
When Azie died, Harvey was on the board, and Harvey played every obscure Ozzy song that nobody ever heard of. Coming to every break, I finally had to say something.
- [43:33]
Chris Carlin
Did you. Hold on real quick. Did you know them?
- [43:35]
Michael Kay
Some of them I did not.
- [43:36]
Chris Carlin
Some of them you didn't know.
- [43:38]
Michael Kay
Yeah, that's.
- [43:38]
Chris Carlin
That's. You're saying that's not what you should be going for on that day.
- [43:41]
Michael Kay
No, you play the hits. It was a bad job. And I put him in the penalty box.
- [43:46]
Chris Carlin
Oh, here's Harvey. Well, he didn't know, so he was just guessing is the problem. But why not just go? Well, when you're searching, you just go on YouTube, like whatever the main stuff is that comes up.
- [43:56]
Michael Kay
I think he was trying.
- [43:57]
Chris Carlin
Well, Harvey trying to read, bro.
- [44:01]
Michael Kay
You try it, though. Here's. Here's the question. All right. It's either yes, one or the other. It's A or B. Was it A? Trying too hard, bro or B, I really don't care. Well, no, I think there's A. There could be a C for this. For this question. I don't know how deep your music take. Music tastes are, so I'm going to say A. But if you want to go with B, that's fine too.
- [44:23]
Chris Carlin
It was trying too hard.
- [44:24]
Michael Kay
But yes, cuz I mean I'm trying to appease Don on it.
- [44:30]
Chris Carlin
Oh, so you. So you're thinking if you just go with the most basic thing that might be beneath Don.
- [44:35]
Michael Kay
But see, I didn't know if it was basic or not. Well, I'm not fishing for a compliment either.
- [44:39]
Chris Carlin
You know, all you got to do is jump on your Chat GPT vehicle. This is something they will get right. This is where you can trust Chat GPT.
- [44:46]
Michael Kay
This is the same device you use for your fear knee operation.
- [44:49]
Chris Carlin
That's exactly right. You say, you say, hey, Chat. Give. Give me Ozzy Osbourne's top 10 biggest songs between Solo and Black Sabbath. Yeah, and Chat will be. Now they still may get like one wrong. You're like, what? But for the most part it's a safe bet. I don't even. I can't name like any Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath, barely any.
- [45:12]
Michael Kay
I think you wanted Screaming Suicide, something like that. It's Suicide Solutions. Screaming Suicide. Listen, that would.
- [45:19]
Chris Carlin
It's not a bad guess.
- [45:20]
Michael Kay
It's.
- [45:20]
Chris Carlin
You know what more I would think.
- [45:22]
Michael Kay
Of like a death metal band would have like screaming Suicide.
- [45:25]
Chris Carlin
Yeah, yeah, Ozzy.
- [45:27]
Michael Kay
That's the one thing that Ozzy and Sabbath were not devil worshipers.
- [45:31]
Chris Carlin
No, they weren't evil, but they bite. They bit the heads off of.
- [45:35]
Michael Kay
Well, the story was. Thank you, Harvey. Get lost. I love him. He thought that. He thought it was a rubber bat. He didn't know it was real until. Until he bit it off. Do you buy that? So it wasn't part of some ritual? Somebody threw a bat and he figured, oh, it was just a, you know, a rubber bat or a plastic battle ripped that off and then he found out it was actually. Who would think they're throwing a dead bat on the stage.
- [46:02]
Chris Carlin
Wait, he thought it was. Oh, so he thought it was fake?
- [46:05]
Michael Kay
Yeah, he thought it was fake, but.
- [46:07]
Chris Carlin
It was actually real.
- [46:08]
Michael Kay
Yes.
- [46:11]
Chris Carlin
It'S horrifying either way. What about. But when I was little I used to hear this one too. This one just tells me it's not true that they would like put like baby animals inside the drums and like beat the drums and like cripple the animals.
- [46:23]
Michael Kay
No, no, I just.
- [46:25]
Chris Carlin
I mean these are things. Listen, who told you that Pop Rocks killed a Guy who ended up working on a working station.
- [46:30]
Michael Kay
That's right. See these urban legends. What was the other one? Spider Eggs and Bubble Yum. Remember that one?
- [46:35]
Chris Carlin
I never heard that one. That sounds horrifying.
- [46:37]
Michael Kay
No, but it's also not true.
- [46:39]
Chris Carlin
But I heard they put puppies inside the drums. No, so it's really. It's straight to hell. If you do that, you're going directly to hell.
- [46:46]
Michael Kay
One of the biggest mis. Listen, there obviously are bands that were like heavily satanic death metal bands, but Black Sabbaths was not one of those bands. If anything, they probably erred on the side of being very godly, but. But sang about it. But, you know, sometimes they didn't want him to sing about it. So there was that misnomer for sure. But I don't. Puppies and Small.
- [47:08]
Chris Carlin
No. It's an insane thing. But now that I'm older saying it, I'm like, how could I have believed that? But as a little kid, I was like, wow, these crazy metal people, man.
- [47:16]
Michael Kay
No, but Ozzy was out of his mind.
- [47:17]
Chris Carlin
But not that kind.
- [47:18]
Michael Kay
But there's another urban legend, which I actually believe that Motley Crue dared him to snort ants. So he grabbed a straw and there was like, ants on the. On the sidewalk, and he snorted him. That I believe, because he was crazy.
- [47:34]
Chris Carlin
That sounds doable.
- [47:35]
Michael Kay
And then he got arrested for peeing on the Alamo. You remember that story from back in the early 80s?
- [47:39]
Chris Carlin
I don't know if I do remember that story.
- [47:40]
Michael Kay
That's the controversy with Ozzie.
- [47:42]
Chris Carlin
So it's not peeing on things.
- [47:44]
Michael Kay
Well, the Alamo, if that's something that you value, is not to be peed on. It's a public place. So I'm sure that, you know, people are going to get.
- [47:52]
Chris Carlin
That line was special. If you. Something that you value not to be.
- [47:56]
Michael Kay
Peed on, we may hear that again in a couple of minutes. Let's go to Derek in Brooklyn. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Derek?
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Caller
Hey, good afternoon, guys.
- [48:05]
How you doing?
- [48:05]
Michael Kay
Good, man.
- [48:06]
Caller
Big fan of the show. I'm a seasoned Met ticket holder, and I'm just scratching my head. I just want to ask Don this question because I know he's a die hard Met fan like me.
- [48:14]
Michael Kay
Yeah. What's up?
- [48:15]
Caller
The difference between Cashman and Stern, right? This is my thing. Pitching is very important. I know a guy like Dylan Cease, like, you know, the Padres, they want to cut payroll. And he's a pitcher that, you know, they wouldn't mind getting rid of. I'm just Kind of confused on why a guy like Stern wouldn't try to go after a pitcher like him. Because he's an innings eater and he's a. Dead. Not when I say he's a great pitcher, no, but he's a good pitcher. So I'm just confused on. There's some pitches out there that we possibly could have attempted to get. And okay, yeah, we upgraded the bullpen, but we need starting pitching. So I just want to know, like, what's the mindset of, of a Brian Casher compared to a David Stern, why he wouldn't attempt to, you know, acquire a player of Dylan Ceases, you know, his caliber or any other good starting pitcher out there. I hang up. Listen, listen, Rosenberg, you're my man. Listen to you all the time on Hot 97. Don, love you too, man. Hang up and listen. Appreciate it.
- [49:15]
Michael Kay
Thank you. I appreciate it. Well, here, here's the thing about the general philosophy that he has with pitching. And I think Peter and I are sympatico with this. Why am I going to pay an outrageous amount of money to a pitcher who's only just going to get hurt and only go six innings? Like that's his philosophy? Because the amount of money you have to pay these pitchers now is it just. It's ridiculous. You're giving eight year contract. The Yankees, obviously, they felt like they hit a home run with Max Freed, although he has not pitched well lately, give him an eight year contract, an eight year contract that they're paying Cole $35 million a year. And oh, by the way, he ends up missing one of those years because he had to get Tommy John. So the general philosophy of paying a guy 35, $40 million a year, locking yourself into a decade contract for a guy that if you're lucky is going to go six innings probably sometime during the contract, he's going to get hurt. I understand the general philosophy. Now. Dylan Cease is a free agent at the end of the year, which means he's going to demand a huge contract. It's something that I don't think the Mets want to have to pay. So why am I going to give up prospects for a rental that I'm not going to resign? But you know what I'm saying, Peter, we talk about all the time, why am I paying all this money and the guy only goes five and two thirds or gets hurt? But the problem is the other end of it. I'm not paying a lot of money for pictures. And now these guys aren't doing the job either. But that's his general philosophy. I'm not sinking a bunch of money and years into starting pitching. I think I can catch lightning in a bottle. Get and bring Severino in on a one year contract. Bing Tal on a one year contract, bringing Maniah on a one year contract and then what happens? You bring Mania back and he's not having a great year and he gets hurt. Give Montas a contract gets hurt not pitching effectively. I'm going to save the big money for the guys that play every day. Not a guy that's going to make 30 starts. Half of them he won't even go past the sixth inning and then probably get hurt. So I understand the philosophy but right now it's coming back to bite him because now he short pitchers and it's.
- [51:15]
Peter Rosenberg
Hurting thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
- [51:21]
Chris Carlin
I don't want to know how the.
- [51:21]
Peter Rosenberg
Sausage is made, but I just want.
- [51:22]
Michael Kay
To know it's good.
- [51:23]
Peter Rosenberg
Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.