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Game time is brought to you by Tullimore. Do Irish whiskey because when it's game time guys, It's tolly time. Yankees fall to the Orioles 7 to nothing. They also lose Max Freed in the third inning to some soreness in his elbow. He's going to get examined with an with imaging back in New York. Mets continue their series with the Tigers coverage on 880 immediately following us at 6:30. And the Cavs Pistons gained five from Detroit on 1050 and that will start at 7:30. Tullamore. Do the original triple distill, triple blend in and triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew honey during tonight's action. Glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly. Detroit, major city, right. Pistons in the second round for the first time since 2008 playing a pivotal game 5mm. How much would it cost me to get into that building tonight? Little Caesars Arena?
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$81.
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81. You got.
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You already knew. Cheapest ticket.
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Oh, I thought you were. It was rhetorical.
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No, it's a really.
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Well, I mean. Performative. Rhetorical. Yeah, Yeah. I didn't know what's happening there. 81 bucks to get in. 81 bucks? Yeah. And how much in Minnesota? Game six.
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Spurs and Timberwolves, $86. Cheapest ticket.
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Well, we live at a stupid place. Now listen, I think. And how much is it going to cost to get into if the Knicks play Game 1 against the Cavaliers at the Garden? At the Garden, Yeah.
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Cheapest to get in is $593.
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You already saw that. Now to get in cheapest.
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To get in cheapest. The get in price on the secondary market is that.
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Now I think that goes to show you how dumb we are here. Well, no, you have a lot of affluent people. You probably can only get something like that in New York and la. You start to go to other cities, it's going to be more of a reasonable price. Right. But because you have so many affluent people that live in New York and live in la, they know they can get that number. Right. I don't think it has anything to do. It has something to do with the interest in the team. I'm sure they're interested in Detroit, the Pistons, you know, when was the last time they were in the conference finals? 04 probably right then one series.
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08. No, no, they were in the conference finals against LeBron in 087 or 08.
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Well, we're still so. Oh, wait, was the last time they won a series. So we're going like 20 years since they've been this good. I still think it's more of a red Wing town than it is a Pistons town. But they care about basketball there. They care about basketball with the T Wolves. But. But again, in Minnesota and Michigan that's the going rate. But in New York, you just know that there are people that are going to pay that price.
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It's just, it's just.
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I think it's against the norm. Right. I think the rest of the league, those prices are typical. Well, I bet. Let's see. New York's number one hardest, Golden State. Same or worse. Okay, right there.
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Lakers after that, I think. Yeah, I think Lakers, Lakers and Golden
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State, Maybe Dallas, if some oil men that want to spend a lot of money. No, still, it's still going to be down considerably from this. If Miami is really good, maybe like Miami's on a championship run. I bet that ticket gets pretty pricey. That's probably it. You don't think so, Al? Even when they're like on fire, they're
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easy to get in there.
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Oh, okay. But probably expensive. Be close.
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I mean hard. I mean, the LeBron days. Early in the LeBron days is probably the toughest it was to get in that building.
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What if the Bulls got great again?
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It's hard to tell. You know why? It's been a while.
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It's been a long time. Because you don't. This is where people misunderstand and this is where. I think Miami was a good guess. But if you think about it, it's not. Is that we think that these tickets are being gobbled up by the celebs. The celebs aren't painting. No, we're talking about the filthy rich people that you don't even know exist that are paying this money. You know, I'm saying that's the World Cup. Like the guy, like if Steve Cohen didn't own the Mets, he'd be just some billionaire that would probably Pay, you know, $10,000 to sit courtside for a Nick game. You wouldn't know who he was. You walk by him, not know him. We think that it's Jay Z paying now. Jay Z's not paying. He's getting it for nothing.
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Somebody got in those seats.
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Yeah, somebody probably paid for, but not him. But that's not where it's coming from. It's from the, you know, the filthy rich people. It's like LA might not be as high because you think LA celebrity.
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Did you see game four? Game four, the Lakers lost. That was the closest you've seen celebrities at a Laker game of that magnitude. I can't remember because it really has fallen off. They aren't really going to the games, but they were all there because it could be LeBron's last game. So you saw, you know, the A listers show up and sit courtside.
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So the Knicks have been quiet. They last played on Mother's Day. It's Wednesday, and they're not playing again until Tuesday. But they finally did speak today. Mike Brown gave an update on og.
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He practiced today in some aspects of it, some parts of practice.
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When we went live, he didn't go live.
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I guess that's good news, right? He's on the court.
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It is. Some people are concerned because he said, when we went live, meaning scrimmage, he didn't. And they think that's a concern. I think it's precaution.
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Yeah. Of course. You're not playing.
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No reason to go live.
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Yeah, but he's on the court. You know, he's doing things right. So that's got to be a good sign. And then you want some gradual improvement as we get closer and closer to Tuesday. Jalen Brunson on Brown's coaching philosophy.
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He's always wanted to have open dialogue since day one. And obviously he's still the coach and
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he's gonna make the decisions and everything,
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but, I mean, we give our opinions
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and what are their good or bad opinions? They're talked about and then they're decided on later. But I'm pretty comfortable with it. I think a lot of us are very comfortable with it.
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How do you guys feel about that?
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That it's collaborative?
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That it's. Because a lot of times we kind of roll our eyes at the whole collaborative thing. It's the reason why when they moved on from Tom Thibodeau, that was the message, that they were looking for a coach who would be more collaborative with the players. And we do sometimes think, oh, the players want more control. And that gets. That gets a little weird. But do we think like this? This. It works when it's like this. A veteran group of High IQ players who kind of want to have a say in the way the team's played or want to at least have some input on it. And a head coach who's willing to accept the input and maybe even make a change and not be, you know, no, this is how we're doing it. I'm the coach. How do we feel?
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It feels like the reason I'm okay with it is because you knew that was going to be the case. They let. They let Tibs go, so. And it was done because the. A lot of the players didn't want him to be the coach anymore.
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Right.
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So when the new coach comes in, you don't think he's going to want to run things by the guys that got the previous coach fired.
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Well, remember, Mike Brown came in with his own plan of how he wanted the offense to run. He watched the whole season. He watched the team. He got a feel from film and said, I think we can do this. And not everybody loved it, including, of course, most importantly, Carl Anthony Towns. And then they had to make adjustments. And throughout the season, there were moments where the group got in front of the coach and said, we need to do this, we need to do that. And assistant coaches even chimed in saying, you know, we should try this, or we did this. And Brown so many times in his post games, and sometimes I thought, like, okay, I think he's laying it on too thick here. He was always quick to say, well, that was Chris Gent who came up to me and said, we should do this. So I said, all right, let's do it. And I give him credit. Don't. That's not on me. Then there are other times he's like, I made a mistake. I got out coached tonight. I got to be better. These guys need more from me. He was. He did that a lot this year. But at the end of the year, the famous story goes is the players went to him and said, something with the offense has to change. And Towns got what he had been asking for for a long time, which is, just give me the ball. Let me show you what I can do. And as Brown said, we kind of stumbled upon it. It feels like this has been a true collaboration, and it doesn't always work because collaboration sometimes suggests the players are in charge. I don't know if that's really the case here. I just think that the input is being taken by the head coach, and that doesn't always happen.
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I just think it's smart in this day and age where it's got to be Collaborative with your players.
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As long as the players aren't like of ego, I want it my way.
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I think you.
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It's more collective.
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I don't think you. Sometimes being collaborative means the players run the show. I do think being collaborative is just. That's. That's the new way sports is being done now. You know, general managers, they're collaborative with all their scouts and all their people. Coaches sharing things with the players, general managers sharing things with judge. You don't think they run things by judge.
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You gave all that money by now.
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By now.
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You certainly do, Cole. Like, I think those guys have a voice.
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I agree. Things are collaborative now because you got a lot of. You got a lot of cooks in the kitchen now.
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And it's.
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And it's also a way to protect yourself. Right. Like, there's not that one guy that's gonna go down with a ship.
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Well, but again, in some place like PJ Tucker today was on get up, and he was really revealing some interesting stuff about how sometimes that can work the other way. When you have two Alphas in the room and they always choose one, the organization always chooses one, and so the other either has to submit or it becomes sort of this alpha versus alpha fight and some defiance. That can work sometimes because now you're getting the best of both. They're competing with each other. But it can also ruin a chemistry of a team because it does start to become, like, an animosity of, oh, they're doing it his way. It's not working. I'm going to blow the play up and do it my way. And it doesn't always work that way. The example is, and Anthony, you and I were talking about this before the show, that. That little cut from Brunson. Do we have it? I know the question was. Was kind of hard to hear. Did you say that you were able to get it or. No, because I can just.
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Not on the page. It's on the page.
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It is now. There it is. Okay, so, Don, I'll set it up the way it needs to. I have it written to be set up the way it needs to be. Oh, perfect.
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All right. So as a star, does it bother you not having the ball?
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One, I'm not a star. Two, I want to win. What do you think of that answer?
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Say it one more time. One, I'm not a starter. One, I want to know. Two, I want to win.
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I'm not a star.
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Oh, star.
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It was like most stars, when the ball's taken out of your hands, we're going to run the offense different way. You're not going to run ISO anymore. We're taking the ball away from you. You're going to play off the ball. Most stars, especially in the middle of a season when the top three offense would go, what, are you kidding me? And he didn't do that. And so the question is, you know, why most stars do that? Why didn't that happen here? And he's like, one, I'm not a star, which yes, you are. But he was smart enough to say and then two, I want to win.
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Yeah, I mean that's. But I sincerely believe him.
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I mean it's a phenomenal statement though, isn't it?
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It's so refreshing to hear, especially in this sport, basketball, where it just seems like the players constantly have to remind you how great they are and how they're stars. That's what makes him so great. That's why the fans love him. That's why as much as you may disagree and not like it, that if they ever win a title, the fans are going to have him be number one because he took the discount. He doesn't refer to himself as a star. Like the fans love that very Clyde. Like he's the anti NBA player. Unfortunately, fans aren't old enough to recognize that.
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You're right about that part, is that he is not like today's NBA. Yeah, he's not.
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He's old timey.
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He. Well, I mean his dad played in the 90s.
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Of course he is now. We isolated the. The star and wants.
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Well, that was the end. That was the end of the.
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Right. This is the whole cut.
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Some stars might push back.
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They're used to having the ball in their hands.
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One, I'm not a star. Two, I want to win.
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Why don't you think you're a star?
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She said one question and then he walked out.
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Yeah, I mean I listen, he's a star, okay. But he also understands that the vibe of this team is better when he downplays his start.
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Right.
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And he. That's why you're starting to see this team is getting.
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I also think that's why it's kind of special.
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But he sincerely means it. I mean, I just think he literally is smart enough to know I've. We've done both versions of this. There's the version when I shoot the ball a ton and score a lot of points. We do really good, but not good enough. And now there's this. I'm getting a little bit less, but I'm still getting mine. It's by the way, it's not like he's now averaging 12 points a game.
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No, no, he's still getting mine.
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He's still the guy. But we're winning. He, I mean, like, let's not forget this guy won two titles at Villanova. This is who he is. Like, this is, this is in his DNA. He's much more winner than he is.
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He was also scorer star player of the year, national player of the year. So when you're either best player or biggest name or biggest star is the most. Has the most humility, what does that do for the rest of the room? What does that do for the other star on the team in towns who it doesn't have to compete with the star. Well, he's carrying himself like a star. I want to get my benefits that he's getting. Now you start seeing, well, he's carrying stuff like that. I need to be humble too. And it just changes the dynamic of the locker room, which I could be humble. There's something special about this team. Will they win it all? We don't know. But you can't deny there is something special about this team.
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Now, we've talked a lot about the break and how can you not. It's going to be a pretty significant break. Here's Josh Hart on whether it's good or bad.
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The first series we had a four day break. I think it was, yeah, that was, that was, that was good enough.
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Yeah, this right now, I think what, at least a week, if not nine days.
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So it's a long time. So obviously it's good for recovery, but mentally, you know, I'm watching the games, I'm just like, man, I'm just, just waiting, just waiting to get back out there. So, you know, it's a little long.
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Yeah, I look at that as. I don't think he's saying that it's going to negatively affect him. He's just chomping at the bit, wants to play.
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He's chomping at the bit.
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It is a long time to go without playing and you're seeing other games and.
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Yeah.
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So is it going to affect him in a negative way? Probably not. Maybe a little rust in the first couple of quarters of game one, but these guys want to play. Go from playing every other day at four days off between the series, which is nice, nice recovery and then, you know, enough time to get back to work. But this is going to be obnoxiously long. But you know what? It won't be the longest. When the hell are they going to start the Eastern Conference, the Western. I mean, in the NHL. Like Carolina. Carolina is going to be off for like two weeks. When did they beat the Flyer? What's today? Today's Wednesday.
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That was.
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That was Sunday.
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No, Saturday. That was Saturday. Saturday, wasn't it? Because they had to take. Because Friday night, after the Knicks won, they were already taking the court up because they had the game the next day.
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Right.
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And then they had to put the court back down for the afternoon game on Sunday and Philly was eliminated back to back. That they closed the building.
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Right. No more.
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No more Saturday.
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Right. The Sabres, Canadiens are at least going six, because that series is even a two.
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What a series.
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So they're playing tomorrow, which is Thursday, Saturday. And if there's a game seven, that would be like Monday. They may not play till. That's going to be.
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Oh, they'll.
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Over two weeks.
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Yeah, almost two weeks. Well, they played Saturday. You're not going to go Saturday. It's going to be 10 days for sure. Well, because if you're playing a Monday. You said a Monday, Game seven.
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Yeah, I guess Monday would be game seven. You're not going to play Tuesday. You'll probably play Wednesday. Wednesday.
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You'll force Wednesday. That's too soon. You might do a Thursday, but that's still. That's almost.
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That's a significant amount of time. They're coming too much for hockey.
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I don't know if the rhythm messes you up in hockey like that, right?
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No, because it's not that kind of timing sport like basketball is.
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Yeah, you better rest.
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But. 1-800-919-3776 let's go. Dan's in Westchester. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Dan?
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Hey, guys. How you doing? I've been watching the Knicks for a long time and I'm just curious, especially
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Alan, since you're at the stadium, you know, during the Oakley and the Starks
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and the Ewing days, you know, you
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could really hear the crowd go nuts, basically. Because, you know, people could afford tickets back then.
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Are you sure?
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I feel like the tickets are so.
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You sure about that, Dan? You sure people could afford. You sure people could afford to go to the garden in the 90s when those teams were winning? Like they were winning. Are you sure?
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No better than me?
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Yeah. No. That was a hard get in, man.
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That makes my. That makes my next point. When I'm hearing these defensive chants and these. These guys that are paying these tickets, are they pumping that sound in or do you think that's authentic?
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Not I. They are not. They're not even pumping in. And they do this in other arenas. The organ plays. There is no one saying defense like in the other arenas. You hear somebody saying defense into the pa. The crowd knows what to do. I sit. Just so you know, where I sit for games is literally right in the tunnel where the team will go into the locker room. And I. The visiting team's bench, I'm right there, I promise you. The people sitting close to the. To the. To the court, and they're making noise.
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And just because you're a millionaire doesn't mean you're not a fan. You can get loud, right? All you have to do is not just for the common people that get loud.
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Just look around the court, even. Like, I know Timothee Chalamet is a big star.
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Ah, Chalamet.
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He's jumping. The players that they bring in, all the alumni, they're going crazy. Chest bone. That is not. There's nothing fake about that. Nothing.
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But there was always that feeling that now they price the common fan out. And now you got the pretty people there. And the building isn't as loud.
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Yeah, the building's loud.
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I'm telling you, it's loud now. Was it louder back in the day? I mean, maybe the reimagining with the bridge and everything? Kind of.
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Don, it's loud.
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I know, but it's never. It always feels like the old days was louder. Clearly, the old Yankee Stadium is louder than the new Yankee Stadium. Is it acoustics? Is it the way it was? But I don't know.
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Something I've never witnessed, so I can't speak on that because I've only been in the new stadium a few times, and I don't know. I wish I knew. I don't know. I'm not.
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That's what I've heard.
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But also, UBS versus the Coliseum. I mean, it's clearly a different sound, but in UBS can get loud.
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Well, the sea. Yeah. But the ceiling was low.
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Yeah.
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You know, the loudest building I was ever in for hockey was Rexall Place, back when I was at the 06 Stanley Cup Final when the Hurricanes played the Oilers. I was deafening. My ears were ringing. Because that was built like the Coliseum. Low ceiling. Might even have the same architect.
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Northlands Coliseum.
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Yeah. And then they're in the new place. It's a monolith. And you just. You just can't get his lot.
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Just.
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That's the way it is. Rob, in the car. You're on espn, New York. Rob,
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Can you guys Hear me?
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Oh, sure. Yeah, go for it.
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All right.
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Yeah, I just, I think I want to give Mike Brown a ton of
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credit because whoever's idea it was, the timing of choosing to run the offense on front possessions through Cat is absolutely brilliant. I mean he got Brunson playing off.
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Brunson was playing off the ball more through the season.
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But this wrinkle is something the teams haven't had a chance to defend. And even if it's Cat said give
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me the ball more, I'm happy to give the ball to a big man
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who says I want to get more assists.
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That's, that's, that's just a win, win for everyone.
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And I, I'm interested to hear your guys thoughts.
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That's exactly. You know what, Phil? It's a good point you're making because that's really what it becomes when a second star is not getting shots. And like Julius Randall was like this kind of getting lost in the offense and frustrated and then he gets the ball, he starts forcing shots and now it really messes things up. Towns was clearly wasn't about I want more shots. He just wanted to be involved and he loves to pass. And that is why this works because it's not an a debate of who should get more shots. And it's my turn versus your turn. Townes is like, no, it's everybody's turn. I'll make the decision of where the ball should go, but I'm not going to. I don't, I'm not looking to shoot more. I just want everybody to be involved, including me. And that's when Brunson decided to back off and say, all right, let's do this. And it's so far, for seven games, it's worked wonderfully. Most protein drinks ask you to choose
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Marriott Bonvoy where Game day checks in
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I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Now time for the Monica McNutt Report, brought to you by Calandra's Bakery and BetMGM. It's Wednesday. It's not 4, it's 5:30. It's more prime time and she deserves that. With the Knicks on their way to the conference final.
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How are you? I'm good guys.
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How are y' all Waiting and we got a long, long wait. It was nice to actually hear from some Knicks today, but just weigh in. Rest versus rust. Is this too long? Just right. How do you feel about the eight, nine days they're going to have to wait before they play their first game of the conference final?
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You know, Don, I'm actually really confident in this group. I think that the way it's not just, yes, the, the fruit of the shift in mindset is the way that they're playing, but I think the shift in mindset also will get them through this opportunity to sort of regroup. So I think the time is going to be fine. And I think as we continue to look at what's happening in the Count part series, I just don't see a world where at the level of which they're playing now, they would come into a game one and be tripped up by an exhausted team. Like, I just, I just, I'm having a really hard time seeing that based on where they seem to be in this postseason.
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Monica, do you, do you think after watching the series and that's really, we're now all engaged in Cavs, Pistons, do you feel like, like this looks like a micro 7 because of how back and forth it's been. Are you feeling that?
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Yeah, yeah. That's where I am. I am. I think it was cool to see James Harden kind of come alive in the postseason in the last outing, but I expect the Pistons to respond. And I think what is unique in this series compared to the first series for the Pistons is I think their role guys are starting to figure it out. Like, Jalen Jordan hasn't necessarily been his All Star self, but they are starting to figure out something that has allowed them to be far more productive than they were versus the magic. So I think that one's going to go 70. I def. I see. Yeah, I see that one going the distance.
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Were you, did you have any surprise about last weekend and how games three and four went? Or at that point, were you feeling good that this team was just going to roll through and do it in four?
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I mean, I talked to y' all before that. Like, yeah, three was still a surprise to me, but by the time we got the four, I was like, all right, the exhaustion has absolutely won. In addition to the Knicks are refusing to take their foot off of the gas, which was the most impressive part to me. So, yeah, I mean, I'm. I was at the Disney upfronts last night and it was really cool and just talking, you know, Knicks fans are all over the city, just everybody's various perspectives and what's adorable and very charming and loyal, if I might add, is people acknowledging where they were or what they did through the four game series and their unwillingness to break it as we move into the next round. Like some Knicks fans I know are die hard, Knicks fans didn't get a chance to watch the first three games and they feel like that's what they need to do to make this team win, which I laughed at. But I just, I'm really excited for this group. I can't. I think when you read about championship cultures and dynasties and such, and they can't quite put their finger on what it is, it feels like there's a piece of that unfolding with this squad.
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It's been so special just to not only win seven straight, Monica, but to win in the fashion that they're doing it. And I agree with you. I don't think they're going to be too tripped up by the long layoff, but it's not a lack of concentration. It's just it is a long time not to play, you know, so it could affect you in the first couple of quarters. Right. And maybe that's enough to maybe slip up and lose A game. I'm not saying that it's going to affect them being able to move forward, but you played. Is there a practice, Is there a scrimmage? Is there anything that can get you prepared physically for the longest layoff of your season?
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I think. All right, so what do we have? We just. If we base future outcome based on the past. It didn't necessarily. It took them a minute to warm up a little bit in Game one versus Atlanta, and there was a little bit of a chunk of time there. But I just think. I can't explain it, but I just feel like the professionalism in terms of where these guys are understanding what the opportunity is in front of them, the accountability that I think they're developing to one another, and these are all the intangible things, but also very practically, like, this offense is something that even the next opponent has not necessarily seen at this clip yet. And the offense has served this group so incredibly well. And we're not even talking about what they're doing defensively yet. And so I think, you know, get after it. You study the film. I do think there's probably a couple of hard practices in there this week, but obviously the goal is to make sure everybody's healthy to move into the next round. And then you let the first half of the first game, like, get you back into the flow of things, which I think for them, because of the flow state, it seems to be the very popular turn right now. But because of the collective team flow state, like, I just don't see. I just don't see it getting tricky until they get out of the next round, you know, and perhaps I'm naive, but that's where I am.
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Well, I mean, think about this way. The regular season ended on a Sunday. Game one was on a Saturday. That's a whole week that they had, right? And that Game one, if you remember, Jalen Brunson couldn't miss in the first quarter. He had an unreal start. It's, you know, that the game finished the way they wanted to. They. They won the game, but, you know, they kind of took their foot off the gas. They had to learn from that, of course. But they, they were fine a week off. Then they had, was it four days off after the first round, into the second round and the kind of same thing, right? They had a really, really good game. One I don't like. I don't know. And the other part is, it's funny is compared to last year's run is they've blown teams out to a Point where a lot of times their starters aren't even playing in the fourth quarter.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So the load really, they have not had a workload at all throughout this playoff so far. Do you think that actually like, while we worry about rust and all that stuff, do you think it might be a benefit to the fact that whoever they're playing is, might go to six or seven games? They both teams already had seven game series in the previous rounds, so they're going to have. Whichever team comes out of this high mileage like that's, that has to be a benefit in some way, doesn't it?
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I don't, I don't think if for any team ever going into an opportunity they would have scripted it as give us four series of seven games of buzzer beaters. Like I don't think anybody will say that ever. Right. And so yeah, of course we have this week off until our minds have the opportunity to wander, but especially in light of the OG situation. Right. Like this rest is so incredibly timely. Now let's, let's zoom all the way out. Right. And you did a great job of dropping, of looking at the counter between each series so far. Huh? Right. But let's go back to last year. Do you think if the team could have had four days off last year, things would have or five days off last year things might have panned out differently? I do. And so for me, I've seen it go the other way and it didn't quite work. So now I'm firmly willing and leaning into the opportunity to try it in a form that looks most advantageous on paper. The thing about shaking rust versus Rest for me is that is a maturity thing. And by all indications, outside of those two 1 point losses, this team has not only taken another level in its play in the way they've shown up for one another, but in their accountability and in their maturity. And that to me is what moves you through this next round and allows you to optimize this opportunity as opposed to becoming something that is ultimately a detriment.
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It's interesting though, Monica. I go back Alan, and I've been going back and forth a little bit on this. Like I just, sometimes I just like, I'm not sure how much I agree that it's a maturity thing much as some sometimes I'm not talking about the team like going to sleep because they have a break. I'm talking about just momentum slowing down because you're just in, in rhythm like you were a D1 athlete at a top level school like Is there anything to that? Just like, not because you go to sleep, but just the fact that you're playing every other day and then you stop just can sort of naturally throw off a rhythm or is that not a thing?
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Are you. I mean, I think it totally has an opportunity to be a thing, Rosenberg. But I would offer back to you, are you talking then about rhythm or do we need to analyze it as inertia? Right. I just think, you know, who said he wants to keep playing Nick Nurse after his team beat Boston and you see what that looks like. Okay, So I think that, I think just because a thing is. Oh, shout out to Black Panther because this was the line that Shuri offered to the King. Just because something works well does not mean it cannot be improved. Right? And so this opportunity is not saying that they weren't in a hell of rhythm. But imagine if you have the opportunity to tweak a little bit, how much better could it then sound if you have an opportunity to really lock in and optimize Right now, if somebody ultimately, if we get to the next round and we are like, dang, that week off was the dagger, then fine, we will have lived it. But right now, as I'm looking at it, I don't think that we should be overly enamored with how good they look. They have looked fantastic. I take nothing from that. But to me, because they continue to raise the bar, particularly in the, in the series versus the Sixers, I think there might even be, and I said this on the post game show, Han Hermy, I think the best might even be yet to come if you really give them an opportunity to show up and to really tweak what they're doing
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and have six days to work on it.
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Right.
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Like that's the other thing is you don't have an opponent yet, so it's not like you can work on scouting stuff. So why not add some layers to this offense that you quote, unquote stumbled upon that no one else has seen, as you mentioned. So I'm with you on it. It is going to be. Of course the proof will be in what we see when they play, but I don't think it's something to be worried about because in the playoffs you take advantage of any type of rest and recovery, especially with OG Anunoby who, you know, they said did practice, didn't participate in live action stuff like scrimmaging and whatnot. Do you consider that precautionary with him? And do you feel like, you know, he'll be there for game one.
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You know what, I can't answer that honestly, but I think that I want them to take whatever measures they think they need to be in a position when the, when the clock strikes game time for real. And to me, Game one might not be that versus a team that has come off of a seven game series and likely depending on the schedule, similar to Philly, will have had one day to prepare for the next game. So to me again, y' all like we're so enamored with this year and I'm not saying that we shouldn't be. And this run has been literally historic by all numbers and by what we've all witnessed. But like I'm old enough to remember ogm, nobody falling apart in the postseason. So yeah, give me all the precautions. Like give me all the precautions so that that dude is available when he's needed most.
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Talking to Monica McNight as weekly her weekly spot here on Don Hahn and Rosenberg Is there one player in this run that has surprised you?
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I think it's Mikhail, just because there was so much swarming around him and he has just come and hooped on both sides of the basketball. But honestly I'm not going to make the argument for a bunch of different guys. Like I think Kat has really optimized his level and whether you credit the that to the new offense stumbling into his mindset, blah blah blah, like he's really turned over a leaf and start and embodied everything that all of the OGs and Hall of Famers were kind of having these sidebar conversations that got caught all over TV cameras with him all season in terms of him being the X factor. But I also would say to Han's point, I think Jalen has been better than we've seen in the postseason. Typically it takes him a little second to warm up. Maybe the first game, maybe the first two games. That's not been the case for him in the postseason either. Right. Like Josh continues just to be steady. I think one of the things that I'm looking forward to as they continue to progress through this postseason, I think Landry Shamon finding himself is going to be something that we're going to look back on as the thing continues to move forward because he's a guy that offers you a little bit more size and always offers you the effort on both sides of the basketball. And if he can find maintain the rhythm, what did he have? 15. And I forget what he had in the game after that. But if he can maintain his rhythm as far as three point shooting, you know he's going to bring the effort on the defensive side.
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Yeah, he had 12 points in the clinching game, too. Knocked down a couple of threes, which, you know. Yeah, you're right. That was good to see. So you're at the up front. What was that like?
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So much fun. I was okay. So here's the other thing. Our boy Jalen Brunson pulled up outstanding because they swept. And I'm like, you know, we have a relationship. His sister and mom were there and one of his business partners, but we're near each other. And of course, guys, he's a magnet for all of these celebrities that we've watched all of our lives. And somehow I become the unofficial photographer, but it also leads me to an opportunity to get this really dope picture with Whoopi Goldberg and Quinta Brunson. And, like, all these people that I watched and enjoyed on television.
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There you go.
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Go ahead, take it all in.
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So, I mean, it was great. Like, we had such a good time.
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Related.
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So I was present for this conversation in which she admits that she has deeply thought about this, and she's checking in with Sandra, Jalen's mom, about where their Brunson name is from compared to where her name is being Brunson's from her dad's name. He. Her dad also goes by Rick Brunson, but he was Derek Brunson. And of course, Rick Brunson that we know is actually Eric Brunson. So I don't know if they're actually connected, but they all went with information.
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Neither of these guys should be named Rick Brunson.
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They just chose.
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That's what I just learned. Neither of them are Richard or Rick or just Eric and Derek. All right, cool.
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That's how cool.
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That is so funny.
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It was really great. Cooper Flag was there. He chopped it up a little bit about his rookie season in his awards. Shaq, you know, we're saying hello. We take a picture. He's like, you ready to go to the finals? I was like, all right, big shot from your boys of God. He was like, I love that. Love the way that sounds.
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Did you see Cody Rhodes?
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I saw. Cody was there.
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We did see Cody Rhodes. Cody Rhodes was the one person that Jalen got super excited about.
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I figured,
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you know, he's a wrestling guy, so. Yeah, it was. It was. It was fantastic. It was a really good night.
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Well, enjoy it. We've got a long run ahead of us, so we'll talk to you next Wednesday or maybe earlier, who knows, because we might be outside The Garden on Tuesday after playing the Cavaliers, and we're going to have to have you, so we'll see. It might be less than.
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I'm down for that.
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All right.
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Oh, I'm down for that. Also, I did promise Quinta Brunson that I would share this. She has an economic take on why Knicks fans are able to take over at Xfinity center, which I really did appreciate from her.
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She knows Philly well.
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Yeah, she does. She's native. She's like, look, here's the deal. Philly's actually one of the poorest cities in the U.S. okay? New York, according to her story at least, is the number one richest. Right? Okay, fine. We'll go with that. She's like, philly, people can't afford those tickets anyway. And then they get raised for the playoffs, and then you got rich people from New York that come down because it's closer. It just makes so much sense. I did appreciate her thoughtfulness. She's a true sports fanatics. And I said, girl, you know, you're just gonna have to be better, though, because until then, because if you're.
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If you don't have as much money and, you know, the tickets are kind of a mistake, you're going, I'll spend money if they're worth it, but not when. Not when, you know, they have no heart and they don't believe they could win.
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Yeah.
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No, thanks.
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Yeah. Eagles fans aren't. You know, Eagles fans are. Or I should say just Philly fans who have Eagles tickets aren't going to do the same thing.
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No.
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Because they believe in that team and they've given them reason to.
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Yeah.
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So I was like, I really appreciate this exchange with you. If you ever want to cast me on Abbott elementary as, let me know.
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Thanks, Monica.
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I love it.
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I don't mind that at all.
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That's all it was.
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Because there's still the economics for the other three teams in the area. And because they believe in those teams, they're not going to do it.
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Yeah.
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Solani.
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You didn't see it. That's great. That's a great poll. 9293 season.
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Why?
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Because he scored 76 goal like think of the significance.
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But he wasn't really like what he true rookie though, right? Like how old was that was the argument say.
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Good. Good question.
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Didn't he like that was the thing that I. But that 70 goals is insane.
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But yeah he had come over.
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There was no question.
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He wasn't right. He was Finn. He was a finished player.
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Yeah.
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He was 22 though. He was 22 his rookie year.
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I don't know why I thought he was it. Who was. Who was the McGinley who was the one that came in. He was like 26 rookie.
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No.
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Yeah. Well there's a lot of them over
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like Marianoff was not she loves. In the early 90s though there was a lot of that happening because you know the.
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Can we just. I know it's not. It's outdated but can we. Can we just do that again Because I had so much fun hearing it a couple of weeks ago.
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Both of them.
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Yeah. The Both of them together is just. It's. It's pretty special.
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She loves. The Skinner part is really.
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I enjoy that makes it.
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But Schaefer is somebody that if you don't know his story. And I know when he was drafted his story was told about losing his mother. But in all honesty, like you really, if you're a sports fan in New York, you're not a sports fan if you don't know this player and his story. Because as great of a player as he is, and we're talking about all time he had a rookie season for a defenseman especially that you almost never see that. Almost. I mean this is like or level impact. And he's probably a better human than he is a hockey player when you. You know what he's doing right now today. So he was on gma. That's when the Martin family he lived with this year kind of surprised him with the trophy. Right. And that he had won. Pretty cool moment. That's amazing. And then you know what he did with the rest of his day? Took that the Calder trophy with him to the hospital.
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They too didn't do that yesterday too.
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He's been doing all that, visited children in the hospital, in the cancer ward and he spent time talking to them. There was one little boy, it was his birthday. They sang Happy Birthday. Like this is what he's doing with his time. Why? Because it's personal to him. Hockey fights, cancer is a really big deal in the sport and he has made that. That's clearly his cause for obvious reasons because he lost his mother and he has made it personal. Keep in mind he's 18 years old
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and this all happened pretty recently.
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Yeah. And so he's somebody that even though he's very young and has had this huge impact and has become one of the biggest names in the sport, he still to me is so grounded. It's incredible. And it says a lot about how he's raised, but just what he's made of, what a great example he is. And I'm telling you, this is not just like a basic hockey player. If you've never watched him play.
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Don.
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You call games. This guy's a highlight. His speed, his iq. There's so much about his game that is so compelling that you know you are drawn to him. But this stuff that you're seeing about today with him spending time. I know that he's partnered up with one of the local hospital with Northwell Health. Right. The Cohen Center. This is why he's such a great story and why he should be Celebrated. And yes, he's on the Islanders. It's not the Rangers, it's not a high profile team. But this everybody judge Brunson. Schaefer's on the level of that as a star as far as his talent, but also the type of person he is. You put him on the level of a Brunson and a judge easily.
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Terrific story. So congratulations, he takes home rookie of the year. Let's go to Phil and Queen. John, ESPN New York. What's up, Phil?
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Hey, what's going on, guys? Don, I've been a fan since 1947.
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There you go.
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Let's go. Alan, you're cool, man. You're from Long island, but I appreciate you, man. I just want to talk about the Knicks real quick. And Peter, Peter's cool too, but from Long Island.
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Queens guy.
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So. So you don't like something? My family's from my friend. Where are you from in Queens?
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I'm from Richmond Hill.
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Oh, hey. So my family is from Howard Beach.
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Okay, not too far. You're about like 10, 15 minutes across bay.
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Yeah, yeah.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Well, I appreciate you, Long Alec. I went to school, I went to NCC for two semesters to get my grades up.
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So there you go.
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So I'm right there with you guys. Yeah.
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All right.
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So I want to talk about, I want to talk about the 90s Knicks real quick because you guys mentioned Jalen Brunson, you know, his humility. And he's not, he's not a star, even though he is. But that kind of reminds me of the 90s Knicks, right, where not everybody was. We had some good players, but nobody was like a star. But they were, they were really good players and nobody wanted to be the guy, but they always played as a team. And I think that's what Jalen Brunson brings. That's what Kat brings too, because Kat is a star. Let's be real. Kat is a star. Kat is the A1 player. But they want to be a team. And that's, that's, that's, that's what I think is going to bring us to the, to the chip.
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I'll take you thoughts about that. Yeah, Phil, I'll take you further back because it's something Clyde talks about. Bill Bradley said this about that 73 championship team has like eight hall of Famers on it. But at the time the league had superstar players. None of them were Knicks. You know, Clyde was Clyde and you know, Pearl obviously was known and Willis, but it wasn't Wilt and Jerry west and Oscar Robertson and Kareem Abdul Jabbar at the time. Lu Alcindor like it wasn't those kind of names, but he said we we weren't the best players individually in the league, but we were the best team and that's kind of what what you're getting here. Thanks for listening to Badan, Han and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. You can't reason with the sun. Trust us, we've tried.
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