Hour 3: Bullpen Confidence

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg - Hour 3: Bullpen Confidence (August 1, 2025)

Introduction

In this engaging episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the intricacies of Major League Baseball’s bullpen dynamics, the perennial Yankees-Mets rivalry, and pivot seamlessly into captivating discussions on music preferences and New York Knicks' latest moves. Listeners are treated to a blend of sports analysis, light-hearted banter, and insightful commentary, making it a must-listen for enthusiasts who thrive on both sports and entertainment.

Bullpen Confidence: Yankees vs. Mets

The episode opens with an in-depth analysis of the Yankees and Mets bullpens, sparked by a listener's observation about the Yankees' bullpen depth compared to the Mets.

Alan Hahn initiates the conversation by referencing a listener’s comment, stating, “Anthony’s more checked out than we are” ([00:56]), reflecting on the initial misprint of game times which hinted at underlying concerns about player performance and team focus.

Peter Rosenberg counters by highlighting the reliability and depth of the Mets bullpen, emphasizing key players like Diaz, Bednar, Duval, and Devin Williams. He asserts, “I think the Mets know they have a closer... He was an All-Star at that position now” ([02:15]). This comment underscores the Mets' strategic confidence in their bullpen strength.

Anthony (Michael) expresses skepticism about Devin Williams’ consistency, questioning his performance under pressure: “he’s walking a tightrope all the freaking time” ([04:32]). This concerns reflect the uncertainty that often shadows bullpen performances, especially in high-stakes games.

The discussion further evolves with Rosenberg exploring the Mets’ bullpen strategy, noting the importance of having multiple reliable arms: “If you have a bullpen that's deep, but I can't have it every night in the regular season, I'm going to wear these guys out” ([13:19]). This highlights the delicate balance teams must maintain between regular season stamina and postseason readiness.

Listener Call: Representing Multiple Teams

A notable segment involves a listener, Alberto, who shares his experience of attending a baseball trip wearing a Yankees jersey while supporting multiple teams. Anthony critiques this behavior, stating, “why are you wearing a Yankees dude?... you’re not saying, hey, I’m a baseball fan” ([29:50]). This sparks a vibrant debate about team loyalty and the perceptions of fans representing teams in regions where they are not playing.

Rosenberg offers a broader perspective, reminiscing about his experiences with other sports teams: “I remember Devil games... people wearing other jerseys” ([32:03]). This anecdote emphasizes how fandom can transcend team rivalries, though it occasionally leads to misunderstandings or perceived disrespect among rival fanbases.

Music Preferences: Country and Reggae

Transitioning from sports, the hosts dive into a spirited debate about music genres, particularly country music. Anthony and Rosenberg engage in a humorous yet critical exchange about the repetitiveness and stereotypical elements of country music.

Rosenberg expresses his disdain, “country music sounds exactly the same” ([22:39]), while Anthony defends its seasonal appeal: “there's a lot of country songs that are perfect for summer vacation” ([22:56]). Their banter highlights the generational and personal taste differences that often surface in casual conversations.

The discussion takes a nostalgic turn as they reminisce about making mixtapes and the evolution of music consumption: “you can go in and... pick like 10 songs and then they would make a mixtape for you” ([26:23]). This segment not only provides entertainment but also connects with listeners through shared memories of pre-digital music eras.

New York Knicks: Mikhail Bridges’ Extension

Returning to sports, the hosts shift focus to the New York Knicks, specifically discussing the recent contract extension of Mikhail Bridges.

Anthony provides a comprehensive overview of the extension: “the extension that Mikhail Bridges agreed to with the Knicks for $150 million for the next four years” ([38:38]). He explains the strategic significance of this move, emphasizing how it secures Bridges within the team's salary cap constraints: “it's not just about keeping DH free for Stanton” ([43:42]).

Rosenberg agrees, highlighting the importance of continuity and stability in the Knicks’ roster: “having him around and having him on this team and the stability of a starting five” ([44:20]). This discussion underscores the broader theme of team building and financial management in professional sports.

Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Speculations

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the ongoing speculations surrounding Giannis Antetokounmpo and his potential trade from the Milwaukee Bucks.

Anthony expresses frustration over the Knicks' inability to secure Giannis: “the Knicks have no shot at getting Giannis” ([44:04]). He elaborates on the contractual and strategic barriers preventing this high-profile trade, noting Giannis’ commitment to Milwaukee through 2028: “Giannis isn't going anywhere for the next two seasons” ([44:17]).

Rosenberg adds depth to the conversation by discussing the dynamics of trade requests and organizational responses: “if he came to them and said, I’m really not happy, I want out...” ([44:07]). This insight provides listeners with an understanding of the complexities involved in trading superstar players and the long-term planning that teams like the Knicks must undertake.

Conclusion

The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on the various discussions, tying together the themes of sports strategy, fan culture, and personal preferences. Their lively interactions and expert analyses offer listeners a well-rounded perspective on current sports events and cultural topics.

Don Hahn wraps up by encouraging listeners to stay engaged and tune in for more insightful discussions: “Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880, ESPN” ([35:20]).

Notable Quotes

• Anthony on Devin Williams’ Performance: “he’s walking a tightrope all the freaking time” ([04:32])
• Rosenberg on Mets’ Bullpen: “I think the Mets know they have a closer... He was an All-Star at that position now” ([02:15])
• Anthony on Representing Teams: “why are you wearing a Yankees dude?... you’re not saying, hey, I’m a baseball fan” ([29:50])
• Rosenberg on Bulls' Strategy: “if you have a bullpen that's deep, but I can't have it every night in the regular season, I'm going to wear these guys out” ([13:19])
• Anthony on Knicks’ Bridges Extension: “the extension that Mikhail Bridges agreed to with the Knicks for $150 million for the next four years” ([38:38])

Final Thoughts

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg - Hour 3: Bullpen Confidence masterfully balances expert sports analysis with relatable banter, creating a dynamic and informative listening experience. Whether you're a die-hard baseball fan, a Knicks supporter, or simply enjoy lively discussions on music and culture, this episode offers valuable insights and entertainment that resonate well beyond the final whistle.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Anthony]

So I was too.

[Rosenberg]

And so what he's saying is we've been good, not great today. I'm insulted by. And then I'm, you know, reading the game time and he's got Mets instead of Yankees written down. So it sounds to me like Anthony's more checked out than we are.

[Michael]

Clearly there's something wrong with me today. Something's not right in my head. We'll have drops to confirm it in an hour. Something's wrong. You should be concerned that I might not be here when you get back.

[Anthony]

We should. Instead of Anthony Pusick, he's Anthony Volpe today.

[Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Rosenberg]

You know what?

[Anthony]

I'll take errors left and right. All of us.

[Michael]

Can I get the check at least?

[Anthony]

Can I get his check, please? Oh, stop.

[Rosenberg]

It's not all about the money.

[Michael]

No, it helps.

[Rosenberg]

The love of. For the love of the game.

[Michael]

Okay. That doesn't hurt though.

[Anthony]

It is definitely all about the money.

[Michael]

Interesting.

[Rosenberg]

But we just heard from some of the newest Mets and Michael thought that the Yankees bullpen is a little, I guess, longer, more. Guys, do you agree?

[Anthony]

We never really pushed back when he said he felt like the Yankee bullpen was the better bullpen.

[Rosenberg]

Do you agree? I pushed back in the sense of he's not wrong about more reliable guys. A little bit deeper, A little deeper. But, you know, I think the Mets know they have a closer. You know, Diaz has done it, done in the big spot. He can handle it. Now he's as flawed as anybody at the closer position. He's not perfect by any means, but he was a closer on a team that went to game six of the National League Championship Series last year. You know, he could do it. He's an all star at that position now. Bednar and. And Duval have done it, and so did Devin Williams in Milwaukee has done it.

[Anthony]

But how did Devin Williams look last year?

[Rosenberg]

But we don't know what they can do in New York.

[Anthony]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

And I know what Diaz can do in New York. I'm not worried about it. He may blow a save. Again, he's not perfect, but I don't have to worry about him being overwhelmed by the moment. And maybe, maybe none of these guys will be either. But like, Devin Williams came over here and right away, as I didn't know there was this much media struggled at the beginning, now you're bringing in guys here. It's already August, so any blown saves here down the stretch are going to be viewed as catastrophic because the team is trying to catch Toronto for first place and, God forbid, blow a save in the postseason. You can have an. An Ed Whitson, Sonny Gray situation. Where can they handle New York? And. And so that's the only thing I would say, is that at least the back end of the rotation, you know what Diaz is. And even though you've got multiple options with the Yankees, you don't know how they're going to handle New York. But I think the reason it's a good question is because I don't think there's a definitive answer. And it wasn't like Michael said, slam dunk, but he went Yankees. But I think you can make a case for the Mets because of. Because of Diaz.

[Anthony]

I think that's where you start. Because it's the most important thing to have a closer that you trust, believe in, has done it before, that has the closer type stuff, all those things. Right? And come on, if we were going to take the temperature of the Yankee fan level of confidence in, in. In Devin Williams, I mean, let's be honest. Like, level of, like, can you say higher than 5 out of 10? My level of confidence. I know I'm right in the middle on him. I don't know. Now he's only blown two saves. And the one we just saw recently was, Was not great, but it always feels like he's walking a tightrope all the freaking time. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And Michael's answer always to that was because you're so used to mo. No, if you go look, you look.

[Anthony]

Around baseball Chapman had all this. Chapman had low anxiety. Closes Like, I. Of course we remember the grin after Altuve took him deep. Like, we all remember that. And we think, like, why was he great? Like, we know that that's a lasting impression. That does frustrate you. But there were. I mean, I never felt high anxiety with Chapman. In fact, I'll be honestly, like, I mean, Holmes drove you crazy last year as well.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

You know, like, I think the Yankees haven't really gotten like, David Robertson was good at his time, but I actually felt like Luke Weaver was better last year in that role part. But.

[Rosenberg]

And Michael said about the swing and miss, you know, there's. There's different ways to skin a cat. Right now the Mets don't have to worry about guys to put the ball in play because the Mets can field. Yankees have been poor at that this year, so they need to bring in guys that have swing and miss because once the ball's in play, forget. That's what, that's what killed Holmes.

[Anthony]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Because Holmes wasn't a strikeout guy that put the ball in play. And they would tell you that the whole, is it Babbitt, you know, where like balls finding holes and all that and sometimes it gets kicked around. And let's not forget, as far as length is concerned, I think once we get down the stretch, Holmes is going to be coming out of the bullpen. He's already got, you know, reaching his innings. He hasn't been good as a starter over the last few starts. And you know, he's going to the bullpen. Once you play off, you bring up a great point.

[Anthony]

You know that, that. Add that. Because remember Michael was saying they're about five deep, Holmes makes them 60, right?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

Like, Michael's thing was the Yankees are a little more seven, eight deep, whereas the Mets are really only five deep. But you could argue if you, if you know that Holmes is heading there, which you got to believe he is. Right. The Mets have three starters. He's not going to be a playoff starter if he becomes a guy in that bullpen, especially somebody that can give you, you know, come into, come in in the fourth and give you fourth, fifth and sixth inning type stuff, because he does. At least he's Built up enough to give you two to three innings, not a one inning guy. Then now, now you're talking six deep, which, how many are you going to use during the playoffs really, to be honest?

[Rosenberg]

Well, you want to have as many options as possible.

[Anthony]

You may not use every solid, but.

[Rosenberg]

You, you know, you've watched enough playoff games in your lifetime that the starters are long gone.

[Anthony]

It's a bullpen game, fourth inning at best, right.

[Rosenberg]

And you want to get nine to 12 outs. It's nice to know that there's seven or eight guys you can go to. Now remember, it's a little different now. They got to face three batters unless it's the end of an inning. So it's not like you can mix and match every at bat. So you're going to have to have faith in guys. And unless, unless you get, you know, three consecutive lefties coming up. You mean you could probably have a, a righty face, a lefty and vice versa the way the new rules are. So it's a little less important I think, to be that deep because you're going to have to get a guy that faces three batters and he's either going to get you 1 through 3, 1, 2, 3 and get out of the inning or he's, he's going to get exposed and you're going to have to make the change. But he still has to face the three batters unless it's at the end of an inning. So it's nice to have a bunch of options, but sometimes you're just stuck. Next three batters, you can't do anything, so they got to be effective.

[Anthony]

I like I, I again the Vol Bednar. These are good additions. Bird is throws hard. I, I gotta imagine Bird is going to be more of a matchup type type pitcher, right? What? Like I don't know if he's somebody that you're going to on a regular basis. I've always felt like Hill is, is, is a guy that can come in and cheat because he changes what everything looks, the arm angle. And I think he's durable and I think he's going to be part of it going forward as well. Weaver started getting better, but he still isn't right yet. And so I don't know how much faith they even have in him, let alone me. And then Williams is supposed to be your closer, but we'll see. Bednar could end up taking over that job if Williams continues to walk a tightrope as we finish the season.

[Rosenberg]

So let's ask the question Michael Asked and he didn't seem to have an answer for it because it's a very difficult decision for the Yankees. What starter goes when he'll comes back on Sunday. We know Stroman's gone. Right. But they had to make room on the roster. But like there's going to be an odd man out here down the stretch, and then once you get to the postseason, you figure it's going to be heel.

[Anthony]

Well, wait a minute. Who am I missing?

[Rosenberg]

Because he.

[Anthony]

With Stroman out, you have five starters, don't you? Schlitler and Warren. Are you four and five? Aren't they not. Am I missing somebody?

[Rosenberg]

Heel. Rodon and Freed. Call Freed. You know.

[Anthony]

Yeah, so.

[Rosenberg]

Because he brought it up what they were. So I was just extending what he had asked. But why? With Stroman gone, it's not as much of an issue anymore.

[Anthony]

I feel like Strowman is the odds.

[Rosenberg]

Unless he's talking about there's another move that has to be made. Because they had to. They had to let Strowman go because of the relievers.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

But when he'll comes back, there's still going to be another guy that's going to have to go because they, They're. They've hit the limit now with Heal not being activated until Sunday. Stroman had to go because of everybody being activated since the. Since the deal. So somebody else. I think options. Well, and so I think that that's. So it's not a starter, but there'll be somebody else.

[Anthony]

Is it Hedrick, like Anthony was saying Hedrick in my. In my ear. And I'll tell you what, I actually like him. He throws hard. Big. Like. I think he's been pretty good. But. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Well, listen, these are all decisions.

[Anthony]

Options are good things.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, it's great to have options.

[Anthony]

So Don, you tell me then go head to head here again on the Met side of thing. You have Helsley, you have Rogers. They got Soto recently as well. You put him in that category with the bullpen. I'm gonna miss anybody. Garrett, obviously Diaz, you mentioned already as Stanick is another one. Right. So like. And then you can throw homes. I'll let you put homes in. I think they sent Brazabon down.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Yeah. They had to have. Right?

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

So I'm gonna. I gotta look and see who's.

[Anthony]

But you about traded. That's at least six if I give you or seven if I give you homes. Do you feel good about them? More than you feel good. Because I watch them too much. So I See the flaws. So I look on the Yankee side and I see flaws, but I don't. I will admittedly tell you, I don't know nearly enough on the Mets side. I do know there was too much, too many walks happening. Brazabon had control issues. We know that. Soto does at times, but he also can be very good. Do you feel better about the Mets bullpen today after the deadline? And does this because I said that they win the arms race. I mean, the Mets are playing like and looking like a team with a good bullpen that could definitely make a run. There's no question in my mind. I know the National League is tougher, but if you give, if you reset the bullpen like they did, their starters are finally healthy, top of their offense is very good, although Lindor and Alonso have got to get, get their heads in because they've kind of been a mess lately. I just feel like the Mets seem like a team that is poised to make a run, especially with this bullpen. Agree or disagree?

[Rosenberg]

Yes, I agree. Especially with, you know, the improvement with the bat and center field, getting your starters back.

[Anthony]

That's right. That's a, you know, that's a good upgrade, too.

[Rosenberg]

So, all right, so you look at the relievers that they have on the roster right now, you feel good about Diaz, right?

[Anthony]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

And then you've got Garrett, you got.

[Anthony]

Helsley after, after Diaz. To me, that's your stats, your, that's your eight, nine.

[Rosenberg]

Right? So Rogers, Soto, Stanek, Rayleigh, who, let's not forget about him. He just another good name and another, another good.

[Anthony]

And he's been good.

[Rosenberg]

So I, I listen, what do you.

[Anthony]

Need out of your starters? I'm sorry, if you're the Mets with this bullpen, don't you just need four innings out of your starter? You're shortening the game already to seven innings because eight and nine, you've got two guys that are used to getting the ball in tough situations to close, and you got two guys that can give you an eight and a nine. This is, you know, Wetland Rivera. Like, do you feel like I need seven innings? If I get four out of my starter, your bullpen can give you at least. Right. Three.

[Rosenberg]

Well, that's what. Yeah, you're going to have to get three.

[Anthony]

But you're starting. You're asking. If you're only asking four out of Mania Montas and Peterson, like, you're not asking a lot.

[Rosenberg]

Well, you're. So now four innings, let me call it. But listen, in a postseason game, I don't have to force my starter, who might be struggling in like a tie game, of forcing him out there for a fifth inning.

[Anthony]

Good point.

[Rosenberg]

If, if I've got a bullpen that's deep, but I can't have it every night in the regular season, I'm going to wear these guys out.

[Anthony]

Guys I'm not talking about. I'm not talking about August, you know, I'm talking October.

[Rosenberg]

If in a big moment like Senga's just struggling, right, it's you're going to the fifth inning, the game's tied at five, you know, or you're up five, four, and you're like, listen, I feel like this guy's given up a run and inning here. I can't have it happen anymore. It's a decisive game five or a game seven. And now I'm going to use. I've got a bullpen that's rested. I've got enough arms out there to be able to get the allotted outs rather than force my starter to go an extra inning, he doesn't have, and have the game blow up in front of me. But these guys are going to have to find ways to get innings in the regular season. So these guys are fresh. Remember the postseason. Two is that you actually get more days in the playoffs than you do during the regular season.

[Anthony]

Yeah, that's true.

[Rosenberg]

You know, you have to play those three in a row if you have the wild card and then whenever the next round starts. But if they win their division, if they can get the top two seeds, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have everybody rested when that series starts. Then it's a best of five, right? Two days off day, two days, then the game five, you know, but then you get to a game seven, right? Two days off day, three games off dial. You get those built in off days that you don't get as much in the regular season. And that's where you can really rely on your bullpen. But if your bullpen is sucking wind before you get to September, you're in trouble. So they're gonna have to.

[Anthony]

So.

[Rosenberg]

So to answer your question, once you get to the playoffs. Yes, yes, there can be the occasion where I can ask my bullpen to.

[Anthony]

Get me 15 outs because I'm not and I don't have to be over reliant on a starting lineup that doesn't really have a. Again, Sanga, you're calling your ace. But we know with him, like, you know, he'll have great games and then you got to give him six days. But I Also am wondering if you, you also see a scenario where if, if you're Mendoza knowing that Helsley is a closer, he's coming in as a closer. I have a closer in Diaz. Am I, I'm not going to say platooning, but you, you know how you don't want to use Diaz more than three days in a row. Are you doing that or are you doing. I want to make Helsley my eighth inning guy. So I already want to start them getting used to being available almost every game as an 8, 9 tandem and play it that way to shorten the game the old way. Do you, do you want to do it that way and keep Halsey feeling like a closer? Because you could just tell him the 8th innings yours and that's how you close.

[Rosenberg]

No, I like that because that's when I feel my most comfortable that I know my. I got a seventh inning guy, got an eighth inning guy, got a ninth inning guy, shorten the game in most situations where I know that these nine outs are going to be these three guys most of the time. And then the other guys are all used for if, if I only get five out of my starters. But in the best case scenario, lining them up at least the 8 and 9, you'd like to see that happen.

[Anthony]

Yeah, I think that's a, that gives you a, that gives you a strength.

[Rosenberg]

Now, Max Goodman, who covers the Yankees for the Newark Star Ledger, says the plan is for Aaron Judge to hit over the next few days in Miami and then he'll go to Tampa on Sunday to get some live at bats. Aaron Boone says that puts him in a position to be activated either Tuesday or Wednesday.

[Anthony]

Okay, so that. All right, that, that's, that's good news because it's before the Houston series.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Anthony]

And I. So they go to Texas after this?

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Anthony]

So when they go to Texas, he'll go to Tampa and he'll get some work in and then catch up with them before the Astro series, which that's.

[Rosenberg]

What you were hoping for now. But that doesn't answer the question of when we will see him in the field. Michael, in case you missed the interview from 4:00, and you can probably catch it on the podcast later, is that he doesn't think you will see him in the outfield until September, at least through August. He'll probably be a dh and then maybe at some point he'll be able to go back into the field, which is good news because I thought there'd be a scenario in which he would just wouldn't play the field, but that's just still very fluid.

[Anthony]

You have to handle him with kid gloves in this situation. You know, it's the right thing, and there's no reason to rush it again. Everybody wants to bring up Stanton and, oh, my God, what does he become? That's. It can't be your problem right now. Your priority is Aaron Judge. Your priority is not, oh, what are we going to do with Stan? Don't worry about Stanton. Worry about standing in October. And there are ways, as I talk. We talked with Michael about. There are ways around that.

[Rosenberg]

You want to avoid him having to need Tommy John surgery. Like what happened to Harper?

[Anthony]

Oh, God, yes.

[Rosenberg]

Because what happened to Harper is he had the surgery. He was gone. Then when he came back, he was, like, exclusively a DH for, like, the entire following year. He is an A plus defender in the outfield. All right, this is not just about keeping DH free for Stanton. This is also upgrading a tremendous defensive spot in right field. The guy's got a gun for an arm. He can make big catches. We've seen him rob home runs. You don't want to lose that. And you also don't want to lock Stanton out by judge being the DH all the time. But it does sound like, at least from Michael's perspective, it might be another month before we see him in the field.

[Anthony]

Hey, look, if you could just get him back swinging a bat and there's no issues at all, and then they can figure out, okay, let's try it out. Let's see if he can throw a ball. Because, you know, the other problem is if he's. If he's just not very strong with anymore, they're going to test him. I mean, everything that goes now to right field, when he's out there, you think your opponents in the playoffs are not going to, say, run on him? The judge doesn't have a gun. He's good, but he doesn't have a gun. He's. I think, I believe he's not a red light, but he's not a green light. You know, he's probably a yellow light. But still, if he's compromised even a little bit, you're going to test it just to see. But look, the good news is, if this all goes to plan, you know, he take some BP in in Miami, then he goes to Tampa. When they head to Texas, he can meet up with them in Texas to maybe finish that series there and get him in the lineup against the Houston Astros. Look, that series with Old Timers Day and all the players in town for the weekend. That series suddenly has some sizzle with what Houston did at the deadline, how much better they're playing the fact that it's them. I keep begging this team to show me some grit and a little bit of an edge. And if they're going to do it, let's see it in that series too.

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[Rosenberg]

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[Anthony]

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[Rosenberg]

I was, I was accused of being a music snob yesterday with the interns. Sounded like Peter on the air. I just didn't know a lot of these songs which is fair. And this is their walk up man. Yeah, we asked them when we introduced them to for, you know, play their walk up and some of this was.

[Anthony]

Yeah, but like you understand how excited they were to have the opportunity to talk on the air with us. And we even gave him the assignment of pick a song that will be intro for your segment that's going to be like your walk up song. So it, you know, it was meaningful and you saw how enthusiastic these kids were.

[Rosenberg]

Oh yeah.

[Anthony]

You don't think they put like a lot of thought into it? Like what's it important? Let me, let me go with this song. And you know, like Connor picked Goo Goo Dolls because you know, he knew we do a lot of 90s references. And then he said war Pigs because he knew that would get you fired up. Like so he was thinking more like what can I do that will entertain the people I'm with? That shows you a lot about him. Some others had, like. Like the one that you destroyed was. Poor Gabby had this song that had meaning to it with words and everything, and you're just trashing it.

[Rosenberg]

Well, it's country.

[Anthony]

So you just hate it.

[Rosenberg]

Well, but.

[Michael]

But not hers.

[Anthony]

Yeah, my dad.

[Rosenberg]

My dad listened to whn.

[Anthony]

Oh, I remember those days. You know, like I told you, 1050 WHN, right? That's right.

[Rosenberg]

He would throw on. You know, he would hear, like, Billy Joel and sound like it was Satan. Like, he just did not like rock at all. So it was all country. And so. All right, fine. I mean, I. I'm not gonna sit there and bash a whole genre, but I'm like, I'm good.

[Anthony]

Yeah, you were definitely.

[Rosenberg]

I know you could say the same thing about metal, but God, does every song sound the same in country?

[Anthony]

Cut. You're out of your mind. But you know what? As we are heading to vacation, there's a lot of country songs that are perfect for summer vacation. Five o' clock somewhere. Come on.

[Rosenberg]

Yes. Yeah. Somebody's drinking beer and has a pickup and a dog. It's. That's total summer flip. Hard riding, baby. I'm gonna play a song that same way every time. I'm gonna play a song that everybody's heard a hundred times. Country music sounds exactly the same.

[Anthony]

What's wrong with you? Then you dropped Elvira.

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[Rosenberg]

Wow. How silver. Hey, wait, wait.

[Anthony]

You're going Oak Ridge Boy. Like, that's how you're going to trash country. Oak Ridge Boys. You're not even going to give anything, like, in the. In the last 10 years to 15 years, any chance.

[Rosenberg]

Well, the one song I like, Oak.

[Anthony]

Ridge Boys, that was garbage country back then. That was terrible.

[Rosenberg]

Wait, who is the. Who's the. There's the one song that I liked.

[Anthony]

Oh, the one country.

[Rosenberg]

And then the woman. I forget her name. Anthony will know, went and, like, sang the anthem for the Home Run Derby. Like, drunk.

[Michael]

Oh, Ingrid Andrews.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I like that song. There was a good song, but then she was like, she'll be super fun going to rehab. I'm like, yeah, there you go. That's why I stay away.

[Anthony]

Fair enough. Well, what did she say?

[Rosenberg]

It should be super fun.

[Anthony]

I'll be playing it all at the lake, cursing you out. Really? Yeah.

[Michael]

That's because the wife listens to the highway.

[Anthony]

Yes, well, she loves her Carry On.

[Michael]

That is the. That is the up and coming country. Said they have, like, 90s, too. I think Garth Brooks has a channel.

[Anthony]

Look, she went to North Carolina and it. That she's Long island girl, went to North Carolina for, you know, for college and suddenly came back a Southern girl. Like, when I met her, I thought she was from there. Like, I didn't know she was even from New York. But because she was just. She became like this Southern country girl. So that's. That's her music. She loves it.

[Michael]

We'll have to play it. We'll have to play a Dirks Bentley song when we get back. So that for two reasons. One, it's great promotion and two, then Don can see if he likes Dirks or not.

[Anthony]

I doubt it.

[Michael]

Probably not.

[Anthony]

I wouldn't want to do that to destroy my wife.

[Rosenberg]

My life.

[Anthony]

Wait till after promotions over My.

[Rosenberg]

My wife loves country music. She listens. She listened to Dwight Yocum back in the day.

[Anthony]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

Alan Jackson.

[Anthony]

Yep. Yep.

[Rosenberg]

And so she'd always have CMT on.

[Michael]

But there was a cassette of the Macarena.

[Rosenberg]

Yes. A single cassette single. Which you probably don't even know existed.

[Michael]

I actually, actually existed.

[Anthony]

We knew it as a casingal, in fact.

[Michael]

Oh, that's cute.

[Anthony]

What do you mean cute?

[Michael]

I think it's cute. It's a cute name for it.

[Anthony]

You didn't even get a plastic container in it. It was just a cardboard wraparound. Yes, that's it. Like a pack of cigarettes.

[Michael]

Get that at the Wiz.

[Anthony]

Maybe you could. Or Sam Goody. Do you.

[Rosenberg]

Do you remember speaking to Sam Goody? Do you remember going. You would go to Sam Goody? It would be in the mall. Because Long island is basically New Jersey except on the other side of Manhattan. Right. So in the mall at the Sam Goody, they had. They had this machine, Anthony, where you can go in and for like, I don't know, like 25 cents a song, pick like 10 songs and then they would make a mixtape for you.

[Michael]

Oh, okay.

[Rosenberg]

Do you remember that, Alan?

[Anthony]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

So that's how far back I go. My been more than 25. Maybe like 50 cents a song or whatever. So you end up paying like five, six bucks. But you'd get like a mixtape.

[Michael]

Yeah, that's cool though.

[Anthony]

Or you just make them like. Like I did.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, I made them.

[Anthony]

Yeah. Well, it's a good point.

[Rosenberg]

And, and I guarantee you this though.

[Anthony]

Don, if you gave it a chance, Tim McGraw, Blake Shell, like, these are guys that you would listen to their music and you're like, I get into this.

[Michael]

Don would be behind Stapleton.

[Rosenberg]

There's a couple of songs that Toby Keith.

[Anthony]

You think Don wouldn't like Toby Keith?

[Michael]

Maybe.

[Anthony]

Come on. There's a couple of like, right up his alley.

[Rosenberg]

I liked a couple of Lone Star songs.

[Anthony]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

They go, yes. So I'm not, like, completely again. But, like, I'm not saying you're gonna like the.

[Anthony]

The Dixie Chicks. I get why you wouldn't, you know.

[Rosenberg]

Like, well, they did a cover of Landslide.

[Anthony]

Yes, they did a very good cover of Landslide.

[Rosenberg]

So I. I know the Enemy. I'm just. I'm not. I'm not. I'm just good. I'm good. We all take sides. Something. There's got to be something. I am very eclectic, but country and reggae are the two that I like.

[Anthony]

Reggae.

[Rosenberg]

There's a few songs. The most part, the genre, I'm good.

[Anthony]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

But I'm not gonna hate on everything. There's a few songs that I do. And. And what was her name again? Anthony?

[Michael]

Ingrid? Andrus.

[Rosenberg]

I like that song that she did. It was, like, a big hit for her. And I'm trying to think of which one. All you'll know is a bit. Was it on the gram.

[Michael]

You know what it was? Was it the one that was on the. That's why I call hits for the kids. Is that why you listen to the.

[Rosenberg]

One that was on. No. You know, I'll tell you why. Because I was waiting for the news like I always do, of course. And, like, the. The CMT Awards were on, and she won a Grammy, and she performed the song live. Is it talking about, like, her taking her boyfriend home to meet the family?

[Michael]

Oh, more hearts than mine.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. That's a good song. You know it, Al.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And then she embarrassed herself on national television and tweeted out how rehab is gonna be a great time.

[Michael]

That did happen. Yes.

[Rosenberg]

And I still enjoy the song, but, you know, she kind of fell out of favor.

[Anthony]

I can understand why.

[Rosenberg]

I want to go to Alberto in Brooklyn. He's got something interesting to say. You're on espn New York. What's up, Alberto?

[Listener]

Hey, how you doing? How you doing? Long time. Listen, I've called the show few times in its current iteration, but. Okay, you made a comment. Somebody made a comment about going to a game that. Me wearing a jersey of a team that neither one is playing.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Listener]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

So.

[Listener]

So some. Some buddies and I, we do an annual baseball trip this year. We're going to Arizona, and of the 12 of us, we represent about probably, like, six different ball clubs. Some are Yankees fans, Mets friends, A's fans, Reds fans. Like, we run the. Every game I go to last year went to Kansas City. I'm wearing a Yankee jersey. It wasn't Even the Yankees that were playing. But, and it's, it's me, it's. I'm a baseball fan. I love seeing these new stadium experience in the cities. But that's, that's. I'm not trying to be a guy and I love meeting new fans from, from, you know, from other, other clubs. But I got to represent my guys.

[Anthony]

Alberto, is it an all star game?

[Listener]

No, not at all.

[Anthony]

Then why the hell are you wearing a Yankees?

[Listener]

A regular season game.

[Anthony]

But why are you wearing a Yankees dude?

[Listener]

Because I, Because I'm a Yankee fan.

[Anthony]

But they're not playing. They're not. Alberto, I love you. They're not playing. Like, like, like it's, you know what I mean? And a Royals fan, by the way. The Royals have some, the older fans. That's some bad history. They were once the minor leagues. Pretty much like they were the feeder system to the Yankees at one point. Right? Like for you to wear a Yankee jersey in Kansas City, understand the context and the history of it, that's like you mocking them, showing up. They're like, what's this? What are you doing wearing. Yay. Like, I don't mind if you're a New Yorker coming to see our team play. The hell you wearing a Yankee jersey for? You just put it in our face. Like, you see what I mean? I could tell you're a nice guy. I could tell you you're a well meaning human being, but you don't realize what you're doing, how you're being perceived. You're not saying, hey, I'm a baseball fan. I'm just here to watch baseball. No, you are here to sell. Tell everybody I'm a Yankee fan, I'm better than you, and I'm coming to check out your cute little stadium. But it's certainly not, it's, it's certainly not Yankee Stadium, but it's nice. Like that's what they're seeing. Whether you, whether you really mean to be that or not. That's what they're seeing.

[Listener]

We do have a rule that we do support the home team. So whoever the home team is, we support the home team.

[Anthony]

That even feels patronizing, doesn't it? Don't. Going on there feels very patronizing.

[Rosenberg]

There's a lot.

[Anthony]

Oh, isn't that cute? Oh, that kid, Bobby Witts. Cute. Isn't a nice kid never going to win mvp? Now we judge around like that. That's what they are.

[Rosenberg]

We're gonna root for you because we feel bad for you.

[Anthony]

Isn't that nice? That's nice.

[Rosenberg]

You know, I, I, you know, you. You know, and thank you for the phone call. You nailed it, Alan. He sounds like a really nice.

[Anthony]

Sounds like such a nice guy.

[Rosenberg]

Does it really well meaning person. But he does not realize how that could be taken. It's almost the hometown team.

[Anthony]

Not the same thing, but very close to the scene in. In. I forget which. Which die hard. It was where he's. Where he goes to Harlem wearing that sign.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Anthony]

Wow.

[Rosenberg]

You're going there.

[Anthony]

Is that with vengeance, right? Like, it's almost like that where Samuel Jackson comes out.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Anthony]

What are you doing?

[Rosenberg]

I don't. Alan. I know. No, it's almost like very.

[Anthony]

It's. It's sports. Almost a sports equivalent. Like you're showing up at a stadium and you're a Yankee fan, and you're like, the Yankees aren't playing. They're like, what are you doing here wearing that? They're not even playing. Yeah, it's.

[Rosenberg]

Wow, you've taken it way farther than it's. It's. For some, that sandwich pretty offensive.

[Anthony]

Do you know? It was. But the Yankee fans are hated around the league.

[Rosenberg]

I get it. But there's a. I. I do find it. I do see it a lot. I do find it odd. And you know where I saw it? Because I don't know, because you're a little bit younger than me, so you weren't there in the infancy of the Islanders the way I was there at the infancy of the Devils. Like when I would go to Devil games, like, way before they were ever any good, and they just got into, you know, move from Denver, you know, they didn't draw very well and they didn't have a lot of fans. And when I would go to games, there would be a lot of people there wearing other jerseys. Like, I would go to a. A Devil Whaler game and there'd be Blackhawk jerseys and Red Wing jerseys. When I asked these people, they're like, oh, listen, I just. I'm a Red Wing fan. And we love the fact the Devils are here because it's a chance to watch hockey. And I'm a. I'm a Red Wing fan, so I'm gonna go. And there was no rivalry at the time between the two. And I just thought it was interesting.

[Anthony]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

You know, so I do get it, but I can also. I get your point where people can. People can take it away. And I don't think Alberto realized that, like, where he thinks he's being nice, he's patronizing, he's patting him on the Top of the head.

[Anthony]

Yeah. Isn't this cute? We're going to check out your cute little stadium. Isn't this.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, you got a nice little team here. We're going to root for him.

[Anthony]

Nice little team. Hey, hey. Good for you. You got to win.

[Rosenberg]

You're like a make a wish team. I'm going to root for you. And then when we're done, we're going to go home and we're going to go watch a real team play, right?

[Anthony]

And they see you walk in and they're like, oh, God. Like, you have to understand as a Yankees fan or even as a New York fit, when you go to other cities and your team's not playing and you're representing your team, people look at you like, oh, my God, look at these. Like, here they come. Like, you don't realize that's how we are seen around the country now. It's different when the Yankees are in town or any New York teams in town and all the New York fans come out, because that does happen in a lot of markets because there's a lot of either New York fans or displaced New Yorkers who want to see their team. That's different. Then they're like, yeah, yeah, we know you're coming because your team's playing, but when your team's not playing and you're representing them, it's like, what are you doing?

[Rosenberg]

It's odd.

[Anthony]

Yeah, that's all.

[Rosenberg]

But.

[Anthony]

But that's all trip, though.

[Rosenberg]

It's also odd that he's got all these friends that root for different teams.

[Anthony]

It's six different teams. Yeah, That's a lot.

[Rosenberg]

That is. That's.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Real interesting stuff.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

See, this is the kind of show we have where we can find out how interesting our listeners are.

[Anthony]

That's why fraud is a great Friday. And I'm telling you, that guy Thursday's got potential, Don. He's got potential.

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[Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just.

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[Anthony]

Schweppes ginger ale that was drunk on a plane. That's a Dirk Spentley show.

[Rosenberg]

That's, you know, because it's right there in the wheelhouse, man. Like Star Trek, there's six different episodes. There's three different topics. In country music. Drunk.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Heartbroken.

[Anthony]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

And traveling in some way, shape or form.

[Anthony]

Okay. So in metal, there's just so many really deep personal stories being shared.

[Rosenberg]

Heaven, Heaven, Hell.

[Anthony]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Drugs. No, the myriad of. Topic of conversations.

[Anthony]

Myriad, really.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, go a lot.

[Anthony]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

War.

[Anthony]

Yeah, no, no, it's, it's, it's usually something very extremely aggressive.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Anthony]

And angry. It's just about it.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

Okay. I have to really go into the, you know, the discography of, you know, Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osborne to really learn a lot about life.

[Rosenberg]

No, I get it.

[Anthony]

Nothing more in depth than those Kiss lyrics that was.

[Rosenberg]

Those were always try. I mean, I'm a fan of Kiss, but what makes them so great is that there wasn't any effort put in.

[Anthony]

None. Did you see I posted in the group the, the, the one time that Kiss went without makeup and the comments in this post are just, you know, when men were met. It's hysterical because it is so true.

[Rosenberg]

Because the Lick it up album, there's the first.

[Anthony]

But they. Their whole like everything they gave off was this high level of masculinity and yet there was a lot of femininity to what they did.

[Rosenberg]

Oh yeah.

[Anthony]

When you consider the look. Well, look at heel, boots, makeup, puffed up hair.

[Rosenberg]

Oh yeah.

[Anthony]

Very, very, very tight clothing. And yet it just screamed masculinity. Right. 80s were something special. Late 70s.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I, I agree. I don't know what happened fashion wise in the 80s, but listen all these.

[Anthony]

A lot of contrasting opinion though, to what they're doing. But still.

[Rosenberg]

Oh yeah. No, that's it. I, I can't be On Listen, I, I'm not a big fan of Poison, but like their music. But when their album came out, like these are women.

[Anthony]

Yeah, that. That's where again, that's when the hair band thing really started to get to a point where you weren't sure.

[Rosenberg]

It's like a glam metal. It was very west coast, even though. Even though very la Kiss was from. From New York. But like all those bands were. Were all West Coast. That was like the thing back in the 80s.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Androgynous kind of behavior.

[Anthony]

Androgynous. There's your word.

[Rosenberg]

How about that?

[Anthony]

Anyways, if we could somehow find a very awkward transition to the Knicks here. If we could, because we didn't get a lot of time on it yesterday and I'm almost being punished for it because I had a very quick take because yesterday was MLB trade deadline. There was a lot going on, but there was some Knicks news that happened to break during all the stuff that was happening on the baseball front between the Mets and the Yankees. And that's the extension that Mikhail Bridges agreed to with the. With the Knicks for $150 million for the next four years. And as I said, it locks him in. He left some on the table now, not a lot. I think, I believe the max was 156 for him. So the 150, you know, $6 million, big deal. A lot of people will say that, but you have to understand it's not a matter of him giving up money. It's a matter of him leaving the Knicks space under that dreaded second apron, which really does act like a hard cap. That allows the Knicks to continue to do what they need to do with the roster and build it forward. There's still one more roster spot that they need to fill. They're trying to get a veteran. I've seen names from Landry Shamut, coming back to Malcolm Brogdon, the point guard, which would be, you know, a high iq. Point guard might be helpful. And then even Ben Simmons. Don, believe it or not, which, that would be a curious one if you ask me. But back to the Bridges thing, them signing him to an extension. You have to keep one thing in mind. If he really wanted to get every dollar, he could have waited till the summer and tried to see if he could find a team that was willing to give him what his max was, would have been. Now, I'm not saying anybody was going to give it to him, but let's say he has an all Star year. Let's say under Mike Brown, he plays great and now all of a sudden, he cost a lot. His max would have been five years, 300. Like that's a lot of money to have to, you know, shell out for him. Instead, you get him for a much better price. Keep that in mind. Also, we know he's available every game, right? We know that. He's also could be, as o' caller said earlier, with Mike Brown, he could be more of impactful player in a new system, especially one that wants to be more up tempo. Something he was begging for them to be under Tom Thibodeau, that he could be a more impact player offensively than he was previously. So this having him around and having him on this team and the stability of a starting five that now has a second year together and the amount of minutes that they played together, we know he doesn't miss any games. It's a no brainer to sign it now. I wasn't sure if they would because I was wondering how much of a commitment they had to him going forward. But once Tom Thibodeau was fired, I felt like it was a faded complex, that he'd be back. Now. The biggest story, Don, that everybody is really up in arms about is, well, now the Knicks have no shot at getting Giannis. Dennis Kumpo, if Giannis ever decides I want out of Milwaukee. Remember, he signed through 28. Like Giannis isn't going anywhere for the next two seasons. You gotta understand something. If Giannis wanted out of Milwaukee, this was the time for him to say it. We were all waiting for it. There were a lot of whispers that he wasn't happy with the direction, he doesn't want to lose and all that stuff. But from what I'm understanding, there was a sense that there was a moment or two for a couple of days that it could have been that time where some people were saying to him, this is the time to leave. You got to tell him you want to be traded. Because the Bucks are not going to just say, we're going to trade him. It's bad for their business to do that. He's the only thing keeping the lights on right now in that organization. So they're not going to trade him. But if he came to them and said, I'm really not happy, I want out and I'd really like you to just do this for me, then maybe they would and try to get the best deal they could get. They're not trading him. He's not asking for a trade. If you want the Knicks to wait on that any longer, that doesn't make sense now when his contract's up and he decides I'm not staying. The Bridges contract is fairly tradable if you consider that 35 million sounds like a lot of money. But then I tell you that in three years or two years the top end players in the league are making 50 plus per year up to 70. Keep that in mind. So it's still not the Knicks are not screwing themselves by the doing this contract. What they're doing is they're saying we're trying to win right now. We're locking this team up so they're together and any other, any options or any variables like a Giannis, they can't focus on that short term. Especially if Giannis is not going to say I want out. So you got to put that on the back burner or maybe even just take it off the oven completely or the stove completely.

[Rosenberg]

You can't just sit around and wait forever. But you did.

[Anthony]

This was the summer to do it and he didn't do it right. That's what I'm saying. If he was going to do it and the Knicks could have really been in on it. But he didn't do it. You want the Knicks to wait another year?

[Rosenberg]

No, they can't do that.

[Anthony]

So this made sense.

[Rosenberg]

So a lot of people unhappy about the Bridges because they think that the direct correlation them not getting onis but still.

[Anthony]

Well it's also they don't a lot of fans didn't like him during the season as a player. He had moments but he also had some, some not great moments. He didn't shoot the ball well. He kind of struggled as a third option offensively. But I again Mike Brown who loves Wings all he talked about the biggest thing he thought talked about taking the Nick job was not Brunson, it was Bridges and Anunobi and Hart and so what does he do with him? And let's see what it turns into. But continuity is important. They're trying to win a championship and Bridges is a guy they wanted to get locked up and they did it without compromising where they are salary wise under the second apron. So it was a no brainer to do right now.

[Don Hahn]

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[Anthony]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made man. I just want to know. It's good.

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