Hour 3: Cake v Pie

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

Hour 3: Cake v Pie
Date: November 24, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Podcast Theme: New York sports, culture, & lively debates—Thanksgiving special focus on the “Cake vs. Pie” debate.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around the heated and humorous ongoing debate of “Cake vs. Pie” for Thanksgiving, weaving in New York sports talk, pop culture references, callers’ stories, and a touch of friendly chaos. The crew also dives into NFL Thanksgiving matchups, the Giants’ season angst, the ins and outs of desserts, and interacts with listeners on both sports and sweets. The tone is light, ribbing, full of classic New York energy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Great Cake vs. Pie Debate

Segment Start: [01:04]

• Context: Rosenberg kicks off the debate, recounting a “heated discussion” on the morning show with Ebro, who declared, “pie is the real dessert and cake is for children.”
• Both Don and Alan strongly side with pies, particularly for Thanksgiving, citing tradition and taste.
• Peter fights the cake corner, claiming, “I always would take cake over pie…” ([01:42]).
• Discussion devolves into subtleties: a la mode vs. standalone, “missionary” status of apple pie, and whether chocolate cream pies are “real pies.”

Notable Quotes:

• “Apple pie—it's the missionary of desserts.” – Peter Rosenberg [02:00]
• “If you bring a cake to Thanksgiving, we're sending you home. Pies only on the table.” – Don Hahn [07:54]
• “Horse manure with French vanilla ice cream, I’d still eat.” – Peter Rosenberg [04:59]
• “A pie is a pie is a pie, man. Okay.” – Don Hahn [04:07]

Memorable Moments:

• Peter’s absurdity: “A piece of chocolate cake and then a woman's breasts with it.” [07:17]
• The Entenmann’s debate: nostalgia vs. store-bought “sin” ([08:08–09:22])
• Callers chime in with their pie picks, such as Moose hilariously detailing his dessert preferences stemming from fighting childhood bullies for free Russian bakery cakes. [24:52]

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2. Thanksgiving and Sports Schedules

Segment Start: [12:19]

• The hosts preview the NFL Thanksgiving schedule, speculating on quarterback performances (notably Joe Burrow’s return), and riff on how certain matchups become much more appealing with key players.
• Entertaining musings on whether adding a Taylor Swift halftime performance to Cowboys vs. Chiefs would shatter TV ratings.
• “Cowboys. Chiefs. Thanksgiving Day. You throw a Taylor Swift at halftime—you're getting into the 40 millions. Done.” – Peter Rosenberg [19:10]

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3. Listener Calls: Giants’ Miseries & Dessert Takes

Key Callers:

• Michael ([14:13]): Wonders if he should sell his Giants vs. Vikings tickets because the team's “complete garbage.” Alan and Don recommend going, highlighting the experience over outcome.
  • “You’re not gonna get anything…Go to the football game. You bring your new wife.” – Alan Hahn [15:08]
• Moose ([24:49]): Shares his nickname’s origin story and says he’d choose key lime or pecan pie over cake, but is mainly a “sour candy” dessert guy.
  • “I’m like sour candy type of person for dessert. But if I must choose, key lime pie, pecan pie.” – Moose [26:06]
• Earl ([28:26]): Gives love to Don and Alan, then drops: “Pie. Okay. Sweet potato. Sweet potato pie. Pumpkin piece.” [29:08]

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4. Dessert Definitions and the “Cheesecake Problem”

Segment Start: [33:53]

• Call-in debates about cheesecake: Is it pie or cake?
  • “Cheesecake really isn’t cake…It’s in a pie plate.” – Alan Hahn [34:13]
• Flavors blur lines—creme brulee, tres leches, and the nature of “layers”—fueling banter and classifying desserts.

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5. Sports Talk: Knicks, Rangers, Islanders Updates & Yankees Payroll Debate

Knicks & Defense Struggles:

• Callers ask Alan about the Knicks’ “Jekyll and Hyde” home vs. road performance, especially defense.
  • “My red flag right now is the defense…Defense travels, right?” – Alan Hahn [47:24]

Yankees Payroll/’Mom and Pop’ Ownership:
Segment Start: [48:46]

• Long segment unpacking how the structure of Yankees ownership (family business, not hedge fund) changes their roster-building ability compared to Steve Cohen’s Mets.
  • “The Yankees are basically a mom and pop…It’s a family-owned business.” – Don Hahn [52:34]
• “No one’s crying poverty for the Yankees, but Cohen might say, ‘I’ll lose a few bucks, I want Bellinger.’” – Alan Hahn [51:27]

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6. Rapid-fire: Mount Rushmore of Goalies & NHL Trivia

Segment Start: [35:45]

• Caller and hosts debate the four greatest hockey goaltenders, drawing comparisons among Patrick Roy, Brodeur, Smith, and Dryden.
• Series of playful (and increasingly obscure) hockey references, culminating in a trivia bet around Don Beaupre and the North Stars, with Trader Joe’s goods on the line.
  • “Minnesota North Stars.” – Peter Rosenberg (winning the bet) [40:32]

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7. Pop Culture & Production Snafus

• Alan's and Don’s video feeds glitch during the livestream, leading to slapstick commentary on their technology.
• More banter on who counts as “great” music acts for NFL halftimes (Post Malone vs. Taylor Swift), with tongue-in-cheek analysis of who can “move the numbers.”
  • “There’s only a handful that can do that…Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, maybe two or three others…” – Peter Rosenberg [20:14]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamped Moments

• Peter Rosenberg: “I still though for me, I always would take cake over pie if I’m given the choice. Nine times out of ten. Ten times out of ten. No, eleven times out of ten.” [01:42]
• Don Hahn: “If you bring a cake, we’re sending you home. Pies only on the table.” [07:54]
• Alan Hahn: “You’re not gonna get anything…Go to the football game. You bring your new wife.” [15:08]
• Peter Rosenberg: “Cowboys. Chiefs. Thanksgiving Day. You throw a Taylor Swift at halftime—you're getting into the 40 millions. Done.” [19:10]
• Moose: “There was a Russian bakery…A bunch of his bullies were picking on him in school. I took them on and then…got free cakes and stuff.” [25:20]
• Don Hahn (on Yankees): “The Yankees are, are basically, basically not in reality, but basically a mom and pop. That’s what it is. It’s a family-owned business.” [52:34]

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Conclusion & Tone

The episode is a lively, food-and-football-fueled New York tussle full of nostalgia, sports savvy, and irreverent good humor, anchored in the kinds of debates that dominate family tables during the holidays. The hosts create a vibrant space where sports, dessert loyalties, and NYC culture intersect, pulled together by caller stories and off-the-cuff riffs.

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Listeners leave entertained, armed with opinions on both the culinary and sports sides of Thanksgiving, and reassured that—between cake or pie, Yankees or Mets—there’s always something tasty (or heated) on the New York table.

Transcript

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Say it, Don.

[Alan Hahn]

In the big city.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the big city. Living for the city on this Thanksgiving Monday. Is that what it is?

[Alan Hahn]

It's a big week. It's the whole week.

[Don Hahn]

It's Thanksgiving week. Let's be honest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We had a big argument today on the morning show.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no. I hope everybody's okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, we got through it. But we had a big, big heated discussion about pie versus cake.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, boy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ebro really laid down the gauntlet against those of us who enjoy cake. And he made the declaration that pie is like the real dessert and cake is for children.

[Alan Hahn]

I agree.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I'm with him. Thanksgiving, it's all about pies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Thanksgiving, I understand the tradition is pie. It's hard to make a case that like cake can really compete with pie on Thanksgiving.

[Don Hahn]

Can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's up against the wall. I still though for me, I always would take cake over pie if I'm given the choice. Really?

[Don Hahn]

Every time?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nine times out of ten. Ten times out of ten. No, eleven times out of ten. You want to take right now. You want to write this down. And Don, you could pretend to disagree, but you know I'm telling the truth. Apple pie, it's the missionary of desserts.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't disagree.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, if you don't listen, I'll tell you this. Here's how you know it's here.

[Don Hahn]

Turning it down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's how you know it's jabroni. Here's how you know it's jabroni in Michigan.

[Don Hahn]

What's jabroni?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is that if the fact of the matter is if someone gives you a piece of apple p pie.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they don't make it a la mode with some vanilla ice cream, you go, I need the ice cream. Give me the ice cream cake, I get a great piece of Chocolate layer cake. I don't go, oh, I need ice cream to make this delicious. The chocolate layer cake is delicious.

[Don Hahn]

They're not really comparable, though.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I agree. One's much better than the other.

[Don Hahn]

No, but that's what I mean. So it's really an unfair comparison. You know what I mean? Like what you're doing is you already. It's an unfair fight. You went and got the one thing that you can't fight when it's apple pie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And what is that you're saying? A chocolate layer cake? Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know, it's just you're never going to put those head to head. You're not putting them side by side.

[Peter Rosenberg]

See? But then you're saying it's a loss. So you got to admit that it's an L for pies.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

The twins birthday is coming up on December 5th, and if we have a party and there's a big cake, even an ice cream cake if you want to go there. Happy birthday, Marco and Jaylen. And there's a chocolate cream pie next to it. Happy birthday, Marco and Jalen.

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Alan Hahn]

Good night. And end the story.

[Don Hahn]

That's it. That's the hell. That's the exact thing I was trying to come up with is. Is. That's more of a better comp. No, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The reason it's not fair is. Is chocolate cream pie. It's not even really piece.

[Don Hahn]

What are you talking about? Does it have a crust?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It has a crust.

[Don Hahn]

All right. Is it in a pie dish?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's in a pie dish. I'm not exactly sure where he's going with it, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But think about it. When people think of the pies, they think apple, they think cherry, they think sweet potato, they think pumpkin. Once you start getting into the pecans and the chocolate creams. Now we're talking about just like a shell that holds sweet, delicious goodness, which is more of a cake.

[Don Hahn]

You're creating. You're creating a narrative for yourself so you can sound right when a pie is a pie is a pie man. Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

What he just came up with with that analogy is a. Is a back is backpedaling punch. He just got hit square. Yeah. He's moving backwards towards the rope and just like threw a punch.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Had nothing on it.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, it's. Again, he's creating.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I threw it in the air, though.

[Don Hahn]

You're creating a narrative for yourself. The better comp. The. The better comp is the apple pie versus like strawberry shortcake. Throw those together.

[Alan Hahn]

Thing is that it's fruit on fruit crime.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I mean. And both are going to. Both going to need some whipped cream. Let's be honest.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If a strawberry shortcake is. Is so much better than, like a fruit pie to me.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's your feeling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A strawberry.

[Don Hahn]

A warm apple pie with a. With. With French vanilla ice cream.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. With French vanilla, of course. Guess what? It's over. How about this?

[Alan Hahn]

Fight's over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about this? Horse manure with French vanilla ice cream? I'd still eat.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no, that's the thing.

[Alan Hahn]

And then once you add the French vanilla ice cream.

[Don Hahn]

What are we talking about?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not a big fan of apple pie. I mean, I'll eat it, but it's still better than any cake. Any. And I throw ice cream. Well, like, maybe, except ice cream cake. An ice cream cake is not really cake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or.

[Alan Hahn]

Jason, it's. It's ice cream in the shape of a cake. It's not really cake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you'll take pot pie. You like no kinds of cake?

[Alan Hahn]

No, I'll. I'll eat cake. I mean, I. I don't not like it, but I'll. I'll choose a pie every time.

[Don Hahn]

Every time.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, pumpkin is fantastic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you just. You see. You see a regular old apple pie sitting there, and then you see some sort of elaborate chocolate layer cake.

[Don Hahn]

Again, you're going ch. You're bringing the sugar in the chocolate. Like, I'll tell you what, I will put.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what we're doing here.

[Don Hahn]

I'm gonna put up again. Here's what I'll do. Up against your chocolate layer cake, which, by the way, I love.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

But I will put up against that something that D. Pietro made for me years ago for Thanksgiving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Interesting.

[Don Hahn]

He calls it a Franken pie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

It's. It's a. It's got. It's got, like. It's basically like Halloween candy all put into a pile. Unreal. We're talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are we doing? It's chalk time. What are we doing? It's peanut butter pie.

[Don Hahn]

It's delicious. And I'm telling you right now, you will. You'll. You'll want to eat nothing else. Nothing.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, well, the exception of ice cream cake, any non. Ice cream cake you put next to a pumpkin pie. I'm gonna pick the pumpkin pie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pumpkin pie over any cake.

[Don Hahn]

I'm with Don.

[Alan Hahn]

You would have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Alan, you would have pumpkin pie over any cake?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And chocolate cream pie. Forget it.

[Don Hahn]

How about chocolate mousse pie? Oh, tremendous.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now I'LL tell you this, the one piece. I just got a text from Jeff Sanchez. Great guy and great point. I will say this key lime pie for me is fantastic. Key lime pie to me, is in its own category.

[Alan Hahn]

It's an acquired taste. But I do like it.

[Don Hahn]

Not. Not a. Not a thing.

[Alan Hahn]

Really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not a fan.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Not feeling it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just love that Alan's making up these pies. Oh, you know, Rook makes a pie with every peanut butter. You know, Don, how about this?

[Don Hahn]

Who's making it up? I can offer you a pie dish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don, how about this slice of, like.

[Don Hahn]

A pie, you eat it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A piece of chocolate cake and then a woman's breasts with it.

[Alan Hahn]

How about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

If we're just making things up. If we're just making things to make it more delicious happen.

[Don Hahn]

If you can make that happen, we can try it. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just making up concoctions here. That sound appealing?

[Don Hahn]

Well, yeah, that sounds a lot. A lot. A lot more appealing.

[Alan Hahn]

And also.

[Don Hahn]

But what I'm talking about is more realistic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure. Listen, I'm a cake man. Although cake and pie, all delicious. You know what I mean?

[Alan Hahn]

You're not. You're not losing either way.

[Don Hahn]

No, I guess not. But on Thanksgiving, though, if you're bringing a pie, we're sending you home.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, Okay.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, I'm sorry. If you're bringing a cake, we're sending you home. Pies only on the table, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would be. I would. I would. It would be so welcome to me if someone just showed up with a cake. I go, wow, fantastic. I don't have to eat stupid apple pie.

[Alan Hahn]

No, but if you bring, like, a nice chocolate Entenmanns cake to Thanksgiving, I think that would be your.

[Don Hahn]

You didn't make it yourself. You went to the store.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don. You see what you did? You see what you did?

[Don Hahn]

What are you doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He just mentioned one of the most delightful things of all time. We're talking about all these different things. I show up with that classic Entenmann's chocolate cake. You're telling me you don't. That's not appealing to you?

[Alan Hahn]

Here comes the happy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. I love that thing.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, it is good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But my grandma used to get it. My grandma used to get it when I'd go to Rockaway and visit her. And over the course of the weekend, I'd eat the entire thing.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's different.

[Don Hahn]

She's coming to visit. That's one thing. But you don't think. Think that you should be bringing something homemade?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't Care.

[Don Hahn]

I don't care.

[Alan Hahn]

Not everybody bakes.

[Don Hahn]

You go to a nice bakery, they make it like you order it ahead of time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, yes. Showing up with just the entamins would be a little.

[Don Hahn]

Open the box, throw it on the table.

[Alan Hahn]

What do we do? Most people. But you're still taking a chance either way.

[Don Hahn]

Most people.

[Alan Hahn]

The entamins, you know, it's a home run. All right, It's. It's not a Barry bonds 500 footer, but it's. It's. It's a. It's going to homer. If I go to a bakery, it might. It could be a single. It could be a broken bat.

[Don Hahn]

Single you could do, Donnie, is take it home, put it on a separate plate, make it look like it.

[Alan Hahn]

You try a little harder than bring.

[Don Hahn]

The box and just throw it on the table.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm making an effort. I went to the store because I know what's good. I want to bring something that I know is good.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Why would anybody frown down?

[Don Hahn]

That's what you do. That's what you do When. When it's what is what. Who. Who is the Griswold cousin that showed up in the rv?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what you do, Randy Wade.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, but that's the old story of that I've been telling once since I got the devil job. In 2003, when the Devils won the cup, Ken Danico invited me to a barbecue at his house with the cop. And I thought, you know, it's just gonna be a barbecue. Until I saw, like, in the distance, saw the Ferris wheel in the backyard, and we brought. We brought Entenman's chocolate chip cookies. We thought, oh, it's a barbecue. We'll bring a little something. I just threw it in the garbage. I'm like, I can't. I can't present this. There were, like, almost tickets at the door for it.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, leave it in the car.

[Alan Hahn]

Bring them home. Yeah, I didn't. Believe me, I was trying to make a point. I'm not throwing out anything intimate. You enjoy throwing up every five minutes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Claude Clark.

[Caller]

I thought so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This reminds me the episode of the Office where Michael Scott brings, like, the potato salad to, like, the catered party. You sometimes bring the wrong thing. You got to just turn around.

[Alan Hahn]

Or the Seinfeld debate where they got to go to the dinner party and they got to pick up wine, and George is like, can we just pick up Pepsi? I like Pepsi. You're telling me that people are going to be mad if I just put a big bottle of Pepsi on The table, right?

[Don Hahn]

Society, everybody like Pepsi.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, real quick, if someone could ask you in a moment, like a moment's notice, they go, hey, we're making a decision. What would you rather have on Thanksgiving, Turkey or delicious fried chicken?

[Alan Hahn]

What would you go with delicious fried chicken? I'm not a big turkey guy.

[Don Hahn]

Not a turkey guy at all. I'm with you.

[Alan Hahn]

If you told me it was turkey walk by. If a cow walked by with them when we got together with the Native Americans, that would be a much different holiday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Done.

[Alan Hahn]

It was steak instead of turkey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you got me in my ear three seconds before Don just said that. Three seconds before, said, how long until Don says, why didn't they just kill a cow? It took. As he stopped talking to me, Don was saying it. It was unbelievable.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, I've been 24 years plus. What do you want from the take? Do I have. But it's a great take, really.

[Don Hahn]

What was it with the pheasant then? Like, why was it. So why was it such an idea? Like, that's. That's the ideal thing. By the way, some of the other stuff on the menu. On the real Thanksgiving, we wouldn't be eating this. We're not eating any of that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you mean?

[Don Hahn]

Have you seen like, what was. Like they did this thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, the original.

[Don Hahn]

But they like the original quote, unquote, Thanksgiving and what was actually served. There's stuff there that would make you throw up. Like, I'm not eating that. So. So, yeah, like, the turkey is like the one thing that maybe survived the whole. The menu. But I'm with you. If you, if you, if you had a nice fried chicken on the table and just swore to me, no, no, no, that's a turkey, I would, I would know you're lying and I wouldn't care. Yeah, 100% with you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

These are all the important things that we need to figure out heading into this glorious holiday. And as Allen said earlier, a day in which there will actually be good football played basically throughout the day. You got the Packers Lions to start at 1:00 clock on Fox. That'll be a Tom Brady vehicle, of course, with Kevin Burkhart.

[Don Hahn]

We're going to do announcer lineup for Wednesday, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, of course we will. You'll have. This is me just freestyling it. You have the Chiefs and Cowboys at 4:30, which will be a. Hello, friends.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, sir.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a big. I mean, by the way you talk about a sexy game. That is, I mean, dead sexy. Dead Sexy. And then 820, the Bengals and Ravens.

[Alan Hahn]

And then it kind of takes a dip.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which is a dip for sure. But if especially could Burrow be back.

[Don Hahn]

He did practice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like they decided he wasn't ready for last week. I bet he plays. I bet that's his debut.

[Don Hahn]

You calling it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm calling it Thanksgiving night. Come on. If he's already feeling it, we all know he wants to come back. He's not considering staying out for the season. So if you were to get a. Burrow led Bengoos against the rate ravines.

[Don Hahn]

Headline NFL.com 4 hours ago, Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow expected to play on Thanksgiving against Ravens.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Zach. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Might be why he was held out on Sunday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Such a pretty good day.

[Don Hahn]

Actually, half hour ago, Joe Burrow confirms he's back from injury playing in Thanksgiving game. Now it's. Now it's a good watch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, yeah, Burrow has said it himself. Zach Taylor has said it. Peter Rosenberg said it. Everybody's saying it. We're getting Joe Burrow. Everybody's saying it on. On Thursday night. That's pretty good. Can't be mad. And meanwhile here. Here we have eggs. Let's see. Michael in the Bronx. Have been on hold for a while to talk Giants. What's up, Michael?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Sorry, I'm leaving a bar right now just so I could get on this call. But I actually just. I called last week because my wife got me tickets to the John Cena retirement MSG for our birthday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Caller]

My birthday's today. Happy, guys. Appreciate it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Appreciate it.

[Caller]

Now, this is the dilemma I have. She also just surprised me with my first tickets to Giants versus Vikings on the 21st.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, God.

[Caller]

And I don't know how to tell her that this team is complete garbage and we should sell them and be done with it. But I don't know what to tell her, you know, we just got married.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't.

[Caller]

I'm not trying to start any fights, but that's my question for you guys. Should we sell the ticket? Should we go? It's our first game, so that's one. And then for Peter, I just have, you know, what are your predictions for Survivor Series? Appreciate you guys.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, if I may take the other one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Alan Hahn]

Go ahead, please, and leave you the Survivor Series. What are you gonna get on the secondary market for Giants, Vikings and three.

[Don Hahn]

Thinking the same thing.

[Alan Hahn]

You're not gonna get anything. You know, I go to the football game. You bring your new wife. If the weather's not bad, you could still have a good time. It's not. It's not an Awful experience. I know the team's not great, but.

[Don Hahn]

Dart, if Dart's playing, If Dart's playing, McCarthy's look terrible now.

[Alan Hahn]

He's in concussion protocol, so we'll see. But I'm sure by that time he'll be okay. I would go to the game especially considering what do you expect to get on the open market for Giants Vikings? What is that going to be week 15?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it possible for someone to venmo you a dollar and some envelopes? You know what I mean? Gumballs?

[Alan Hahn]

No. I would go and I still, I still enjoy football live. I've gone to many a game late in the season when the Giants were out of it because that's when tickets became available.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

You know you can never go to the games and I would still go to see Jackson Dart live. Yeah, maybe they're playing well. I do see a scenario where they could beat the Patriots. They'll be coming off the buy, you know, feeling I would still. I'm not telling you what to do but considering you'll get no money on the open market, why not go?

[Don Hahn]

Oh God no. You'll have to pay somebody to take those tickets, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

That was well done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You guys see the news that my. My buddy L. Duncan's gone ghost from espn. She's out of here. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna go ahead and say the checks are gonna clear nicely as she's the new face of Netflix Sports. Get that stock and stuff. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Alan Hahn]

I hear you. So this was, this is good for her?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, I think so. I mean, there. And it's a pretty cool thing. Like, if you're a generalist, they have us. They have a bunch of different stuff that they're trying to do. They got the, they got the fights. They have NFL every Christmas. Like they're still building their, their sports slate. And also, you know, she's been in that interesting spot where she became sort of a big broadcast star, but she's been on SportsCenter for a long time. And I think if you have like, aspirations of doing a lot. I mean, I don't want to speak for someone who's never been a Sports center anchor, which I never have been. I have to imagine if you're someone with a personality, after a long period of time, you're ready to do something else.

[Alan Hahn]

You're ready.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I mean?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I guess we'll see here at Christmas. I think that's when the. That's when the big Netflix slate comes. Last year was the big Beyonce bowl. I wonder if they have another big concert lined up. Can you imagine if for that Chiefs Cowboys game they'd also thrown in the Taylor Swift halftime performance? What would that have gotten? What's 100% share? If they into every person in the country watches like could it like children being bowl number. Could it do a Super bowl number?

[Alan Hahn]

Alan?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It could get close, right? Taylor Swift.

[Alan Hahn]

Cow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's already going to get right now. Cowboys. Chiefs. Thanksgiving Day.

[Don Hahn]

Thanksgiving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cowboys.

[Don Hahn]

Chiefs is already getting this week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, this. This week it's already getting what, 30 million. You guys feel good about that?

[Alan Hahn]

Probably, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

The middle of the day. Middle of the day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the 4:30.

[Don Hahn]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And then you throw a Taylor Swift at halftime.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you had Tay Tay to halftime. Yeah, you're getting into the 40 millions. Done.

[Alan Hahn]

And.

[Don Hahn]

And Super Bowl. You have to understand super bowl now is triple digits. Right. Like you're, you're, you're talking about 100, 120.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm being told by the way by a source million that the halftime is there is a good halftime for Chiefs Cowboys. It's post Malone, which is great. But. But the thing is, there's this weird line of, like, you can get all these huge musicians and them performing at halftime is people will be like, oh, neat. And then you have, literally, I'd say basically Taylor Swift, Beyonce, and maybe two or three others where it would actually shift the number. And you could still be a huge star like Post Malone. You're not shifting the number.

[Don Hahn]

You're not keeping people from getting up off the couch at that moment on a day like Thanksgiving, nor are you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sending outsiders to go watch.

[Don Hahn]

Or people like, Right. People like. Like the women aren't coming in from another room to say, leave this on. I want to see it. Right? Like, that's generally what kind of happens. Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's only a handful that can do that.

[Don Hahn]

There's a bunch of talk over here. The rest of us talk over here. Some of us that want to watch the football game will watch that. The rest who don't care stay at the table. And then there's that moment where everybody comes together if there's a halftime show worth the damn. Or there's the one where we get up and somebody else comes in because they want to watch it. Oh, and we got a goal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It works. It works.

[Alan Hahn]

Now they just need to score.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yikes. And by the way to the caller's question earlier Survivor Series for the big two war games matches, I like the Vision, the bad guys in the men's match, and I think I like the Rhea, Charlotte Bliss, good guys team in the women's match. I think John Cena will probably end up losing the Intercontinental Championship back to Dominik Mysterio because I can't see him retiring in December with the Intercontinental Championship. And then I'm guessing Stephanie Vacaire retains over Nikki Bella. That's what I think. So far, only four matches announced. We will see where we land. This message is sponsored by BetterHelp. Shorter days don't have to be so dismal. It's time to reach out and check in with those you care for. And to remind ourselves that we're not alone this month. Don't wait to reach out. Whether you're checking in on a friend or reaching out to a therapist yourself. BetterHelp makes it easier to take that first step. Our listeners get 10% off their first month. Just call 250 and say the keyword timeout. That's keyword timeout. After calling £250.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alan Hahn]

Don Han and Rosenberg with you until seven. Then it's Knicks basketball, Knicks and Nets. Got to see a lot more of the Net Celtic game that I had bargained for on Friday. Went out to eat and that was on. That was a nice win for the Nets in Boston. A little surprised by that. And that was a Cup game too. So see what happens tonight as the Knicks take on the Nets. And Knicks coming off a tough loss in Orlando over the weekend as well.

[Don Hahn]

Defense and ugly. Don.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen, you're not 100%, but still, that's. The road's a problem. The only road win was that win against the Heat the other night, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

So the road is continuing.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, Dallas.

[Alan Hahn]

It was Dallas, right? They lost to the Heat by a bucket and then they beat Dallas. That's right. That's right. I remember because I was on the road. When I left to go on the road to Tampa was when they were in Miami and they won. And then it was later on that week, they ended up losing to Dallas and they almost lost that game. That game could have very easily gone to overtime. So it's been a struggle away from the Garden for the Knicks. Rangers struggling as well. They've lost four in a row. Devils have lost three in a row in regulation as well. Islanders bounce back after a tough loss to the Blues by winning in the shootout one nothing against Seattle. So I think we've laid out the land for you on the non beautiful teams. So let's hear from Moose in Jamaica. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Moose?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Moose.

[Caller]

Evening, fellas. And quickly on my nickname. And then I'll mention the cake pie debate. I had a nickname in this pizzeria, Alba's Pizza on Queen Boulevard and Main Street. So whenever my dad would take me there, elementary school days, once the guys making the pizza found out my name was Mustafa, they said, oh, Moose, the moose is loose. And I built a reputation in that neighborhood of somebody who would take on bullies and stuff.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Caller]

Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, like real talk dog. Real quick. There's, There was. There was a Russian bakery. Still might be there or might be something else. My childhood friend, Shout out Rochelle, He's Russian. A bunch of his bullies were picking on him in school. I took them on and then his mom became friends with my mom and I got free cakes and stuff. So yeah, so that's, that's what it was. But the, the point of my call, real quick, the giants would be 7 and 5 if they showed a backbone and got one stop at the end of the game when it matters. So this whole talk about whether it be the regime or whatever, that's all fine and well, but the players, the players we have, the players we will draft, whatever regime comes in, they have to have the mindset and the attitude that they will not be dominated or collapsing crumble. And between pie and cake, I'm, I'm, I'm like neither. I'm like sour candy type of person for dessert. But if I must choose key lime pie, pecan pie, you can't go wrong. More than cake. Thanks for taking my call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I appreciate this Moose. We got the moose. We got the moose origin story.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which by the way, there's a whole thing. I mean, it was basically like a.

[Alan Hahn]

Superhero story, like a soprano.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It really was.

[Don Hahn]

You can see that scene in your in your head, right. As he's describing it, the one thing.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll say about the whole. This play, that play. You could say the same thing about the Jets. You could say the same thing about a lot of teams.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Especially losing teams. It's the losing teams that never seem to catch the break. Right. It's the losing team that came up a play short. So I wouldn't look at it as The Giants be 7 and 5. They caught a break. If they were just a better football team, maybe. Yeah, they've been a lot of games. But there's so much parity in sports, especially football, that the margin for error is usually not that great. Pretty much every. For every game last night, Allen, that's a blowout. And it's over at the half. Feels like all those games. Look at Seattle, they didn't cover the 13 point spread. That was a six point game in Tennessee. Yeah, it seems like all these. All these games are down to like one or two bad possessions. So I wouldn't read too much into that.

[Don Hahn]

No, but it does frustrate you as a fan when you remember the specific moment when a win turned into a loss because of one play. And that's the stuff you want to clean up. Which is why I think it's not about players at this point, it's about how they're being coached. And the record could be completely flipped by next year. I firmly believe that.

[Alan Hahn]

But in all we talk about the loss to the packers and the Bears and the loss yesterday and the Cowboy, the one that. The two that never should have happened, even with this team, the Saints and the Broncos.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, right.

[Alan Hahn]

Those are the two that were inexcusable. No matter.

[Don Hahn]

Most egregious.

[Alan Hahn]

The most egregious. But I can't honestly say that, you know, with the, with the talent they have, the way they're coached, that I'm not surprised by the Packers, Bears and Lions because those teams are better. But the. But the Broncos are better. But that big of a lead in the fourth quarter, My God.

[Don Hahn]

No, you gotta.

[Alan Hahn]

And the Saints. Come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that one's tough to even figure out. Earl's been waiting to give Don Allen. Love. Earl, what's up?

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller]

Hey, what's up, Alan? What's up, Peter? Don, I want to give you your props. You. You picked the Browns on your three point play. Don, you're a hater. He was hating all along that he was picking. Should call. And. And he's like, oh, why are you going with this? And he's a. He's a good guy. He's out.

[Alan Hahn]

He's humble.

[Caller]

He's been humble since he came out of college. He's been humble since he's been standing on the sideline. Peter. And you're.

[Alan Hahn]

You're hating.

[Caller]

You had me on hold because you knew I was coming up here to give Alan his props.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Never.

[Caller]

And Peter. Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Caller]

Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

Pie.

[Caller]

Sweet potato.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, there you go. Drop the mic.

[Caller]

Pie. Okay. Sweet potato.

[Alan Hahn]

Sweet.

[Caller]

Sweet potato pie. Pumpkin piece.

[Don Hahn]

Cheesecake. Alone is like a party. Yes, that's it.

[Caller]

Take your cake. Hey, Peter. Take your cake and go to a party.

[Don Hahn]

I love.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love parties. I will go to the party. I'll take my cake and I'll enjoy something more delicious than taking a listen. A vegetable and shoving it into a pie and calling me.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Calling it dessert.

[Don Hahn]

It's an apple.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, sweet potatoes. That's a vegetable. You're taking a vegetable and you're making it a dessert.

[Don Hahn]

That's right. And that's why it's so good. Because you could just do that. You can do that with that. You can't do that with a cake. What he said though, about Shador, he had sweet potato. His quotes have been very good. He has handled a lot of things media wise well. He has like all the stuff that has preceded him going into the NFL. He has really not acted like any of that that everybody thought might happen. But there was the post game, like I said, there was the postgame where he really did make it about himself. I can understand it because he's high in the moment. We all would be the same way. But that's when it's like, start, Start giving credit to the fact what won the game, the running game and the defense. Myles Garrett was the best player on the field. Myles Garrett is the best player on the field pretty much every time the Browns play. And yet he doesn't win enough. Did you see his face, by the way, when they completed that really long pass that Shador threw? Myles Garrett was like. You could see he was engaged. He was caught up in it, like, wow. And that is all you needed to know. Dylan Gabriel is available to play this week, but it's not going to start because there's no way you could possibly make that change. Let him get another start and see how it goes. So I'm happy for him.

[Alan Hahn]

And I don't think Peter and I were hating on Allen's pick as. As much. Much as we felt that it was more his heart than his head making his three point. Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

I was Lost in emotion, I admit.

[Alan Hahn]

So I thought it was a risk, but it wasn't a bad pick, and I, I think it would be. We've talked about it many times on this show. What an amazing story would be if Shador.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Made it. It would be one of the great stories of all time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, and this is where things get complicated, nuanced, and we end up in a world these days where people just go, like, default feeling if you don't love something is hate it. I, I, I am simultaneously rooting for Shador. Wanted to watch every play that, every single play from scrimmage and see what he did. And yet I also watched it and thought, this is what I've always thought about him. When I watch him play, it doesn't look quite right to me. I want him to be good. His motions weird. He puts too much under the ball. I just don't love the way he plays. But I still am rooting for him to win. And if I turn out to be wrong and he turns out to be a complete stud, or, you know, maybe he's one of those guys. Like, for example, I never really enjoyed watching Roethlisberger play, but he won. Week in and week out. He just found a way. He was just a tough SOB who won football games. I will be the first one cheering for it, but I'm still allowed to be critical of what I see when I watch the man play.

[Don Hahn]

No, you just have every reason to see. Say what you said. I just, I have been such a proponent of his since the draft that I felt like in that moment, especially coming off, like the last couple of weeks where I've been God awful, I said, the hell with it. I'm riding this thing like Seabee. Why not see where it goes, right? And I came out a winner. Nobody was more shocked than me. Right. But. But I'll take it. Line. Squirrel baby.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Anthony, what happened to our. The shots we have of Allen and yeah, Don here?

[Alan Hahn]

For some reason, it's two shots of my booth that I'm not in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How that makes me.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, but there's one hand. There's the other hand. There's both hands. Look at that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What? You stuck your hand into the camera.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I'm just, for whatever reason, it's shooting everything in the booth but me. And right now I've stuck my arms out. And now you have my arms. Yeah. Looks like just have to wait a second for it to show up. Oh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, that is. That is bizarre. That is horrifying.

[Don Hahn]

The funhouse mirror.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, I I'm Peter Rosenberg. I can't believe that Alan got three points with the Browns. Well, I don't understand what is happening here. I guess maybe now we got him back. I guess. I guess. Alan. Alan. I think maybe got disconnected, and so then it's making Don shot wacky.

[Don Hahn]

My connection here at MSG is not very good.

[Alan Hahn]

Could you see what just happened?

[Don Hahn]

I missed all of it.

[Alan Hahn]

Somebody load that up and send it out. That was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it was tremendous. I really enjoyed that you didn't get.

[Alan Hahn]

Stuff like this on. Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, it's true. All right, let's go to this important. Brian and Sleepy Hollow wants to weigh in on cake versus pie. What's up, Brian?

[Caller]

So have you guys, like, stated that cheesecake is piece earlier in the show?

[Don Hahn]

I was asking that question before. What do we do with cheesecake now? How do we.

[Caller]

That makes it. Cassette makes it close, and cheesecake boys come into play. But I. I think I'm gonna take.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why is cheesecake pie?

[Alan Hahn]

Because it really isn't. It really isn't cake.

[Don Hahn]

And it's in a. It's in a pie plate.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not layered. It's in a pie plate.

[Caller]

And what is something like. What is the creme brulee then?

[Don Hahn]

What do you categorize that in Creme brulee is a piece of. It's got a crust, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. What is happening? No, you're not taking creme brulee and tres leches.

[Don Hahn]

Taking it all, baby.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is cake. It is cake.

[Don Hahn]

I know it's called cake, but a cake has layers. Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not always.

[Don Hahn]

Like onions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Exactly. It's not always that. It's. To me, though, you taking cheesecake. Cheesecake doesn't have crust on top.

[Caller]

Bottom crust is what you're saying on Thanksgiving night. On Thanksgiving night itself. Because I find that pie is, like, easier to eat. It's like where cake is heavy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

True. Although I will say portfolio, Brian, I kill you now. But, Brian, I'll say this, though. You're talking about a very specific kind of cake. There is some. Natalie makes this, like, fluffy biscuit cake that's, like, super light and airy with kind of whipped cream and. And biscuit soaked in milk. It's all, like, very airy and light. It doesn't always have to be fudgy and heavy. The cake has diversity. Cake has a lot of different ways.

[Alan Hahn]

We were just. We had to choose, and we chose pie. But we're not disrespecting cake. We're not haters. Like, the caller was claiming you just said yourself, just because something you put something ahead of the other doesn't mean what comes in second is hated. We love cake, just not pie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bobby and Belmore. Hey, Bobby.

[Don Hahn]

Hi. How are you?

[Caller]

I want to get to the Mount Rushmore goalies for a second. Donnie, you were. That was.

[Don Hahn]

Congratulations.

[Caller]

I didn't congratulate anyone last year. I apologize, but use incident. It sounds very fishy to me. The guy must have had a few brusques. How does a professional athlete fall down for one glass on that doesn't make any sense.

[Alan Hahn]

You're on a glass. It happens. I mean, you. You fall into something. I'm not. They. They said nothing nefarious happened. I don't know if was drinking. I don't know if it had anything to do with just a freak accident, but hopefully we get.

[Caller]

Okay, let me get to the Mount Mount Rushmore goalies.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. On topic.

[Caller]

Change riding six. Zero Stanley Cup Finals. It's Billy Smith. Four and one Stanley Cup Finals. 19 straight series law. Four and one Stanley Cup Finals. Two different. Two cups on two different teams. Baldor. Three and two Stanley Cup Finals. Played in the Stanley cup final at age 38. How would you write them one to four?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Patrick Wa would be number one to me because he's got the bigger body of work. So what did he say? So I would go wa. Wa Bro Doer Billy Smith and Ken Dryden. What hurts Ken Dryden is the body of work just isn't as extensive. He's kind of like the Sandy Koufax of hockey. Right. Allen didn't play a ton Right team that. That just had all kinds of talent. Same with Billy Smith.

[Caller]

Billy Smith behind bro Do I. I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, you know, that's.

[Caller]

That's a. I mean, a guy won 19 straight series.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, no, he did, you know, but. But loaded with hall of Famers. Right? How many hall of Famers besides Billy Smith? Poppins hall of Famer boss. He's a Hall of Famer. Trache is a Hall of Famer. Gillies is all. That's a lot stacked head coach. Hall of Famer. Brodeur had three different coaches for his Cups. Also changed the game as far as being able to handle the puck. They put the trapezoid in because of him. Listen, you can't go wrong with any of those four. But Alan, would you. How would you go with the four? I went Wa. Bro Door Smith and Dryden.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I. Again, if you're just going with body of work because there's some names that aren't even on that list because they weren't able to participate.

[Alan Hahn]

Those are the four he gave me. Listen, to be on the list of.

[Don Hahn]

Is the guy I'm thinking of. But it's like, obviously he didn't appear in as many cups as. As those guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where are you putting Clint Malarchuk?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, Well, I mean, Clint Malarchuk, that's a good pull. It's a very strange pull. But that's so.

[Alan Hahn]

That's as forced as one of the Allen drops. You force that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. I just wanted to play the music.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I don't like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll try to come up with a better one for you.

[Don Hahn]

Give me. You could have said, like, Chris Osgood. That would have been.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's not his. That's. He's a better goalie. Osgood was better than Malarchuk.

[Don Hahn]

Well, Malarchuk, his.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's famous for the state.

[Don Hahn]

But the problem is, that's the. That's why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, fine.

[Don Hahn]

His claim to fame is not fame.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But how about this? How about that I mentioned? Why are we overlooking the great Don Beaupre?

[Don Hahn]

That's pretty good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He did.

[Don Hahn]

He did play in a cup final.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Damn right he did.

[Don Hahn]

For who?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Post Capitals. Beaupre.

[Alan Hahn]

No, this would be pre Capitals.

[Don Hahn]

Pre capital, baby.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pre cap.

[Don Hahn]

If you get. If you get this.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you know what?

[Don Hahn]

I'm. I'm buying your Trader Joe's tomorrow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

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Hold on.

[Don Hahn]

This is big.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is big. Trader Joe's on the line.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, this is pre.20 of $20 of Trader Joe's. Can take you up the rest of the week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that. I know, but that means. That means I'm thinking about a lot. Late 80s, a late eight, because he was already the caps goalie by, like, early 90s.

[Don Hahn]

Come on.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm in the right era, right?

[Don Hahn]

No, I mean, you're in the right decade.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you're in the right decade. Oh.

[Don Hahn]

Oh. All you got to do is name the team.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, we don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was he a starting goalie?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. You can't Google this, man. It's. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I'm not. No, I'm watching them. I'm not Googling it.

[Don Hahn]

Don't. Don't you dare. And Puysick, stay out of his ear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Does Pusick know? I'd be very impressed.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he'd be able to look it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Campbell or Wales? Give me some.

[Don Hahn]

Well, Campbell, Campbell, Campbell. Okay. Yeah. Donnie, you know. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you know it off the top of your head. So.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you. But the fact that you even asked him means it's still a little bit of a reach because you wouldn't have. You wouldn't have asked. I'll say this.

[Don Hahn]

The team doesn't. Technically, you know, they do exist, but not where they played. Then.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they moved.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, God. This.

[Alan Hahn]

This is.

[Don Hahn]

But yet there's an NHL team there where they used to play.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. And when that team plays, like has a throwback night or something.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They'll.

[Alan Hahn]

They'll honor this team.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Minnesota North Stars.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God. Give me some Trader Joe's in my belly. Well, no, I got it. You didn't make any sort of caveat.

[Alan Hahn]

You did now.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You didn't. I'm there.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

I feel bad. You probably wanted to. Don't feel this is not deserved. But you know.

[Don Hahn]

You know what I'm gonna buy you at Trader Joe's? A beautiful, delicious apple.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I love it. Now real quick, which cup who did it?

[Don Hahn]

Which was 81, right?

[Alan Hahn]

81 against the Islanders.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow. I did not know Donny Beaupre was a Stanley cup goalie in 1981.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he's very young now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, good news for Allen today. Allen's visuals look absolutely perfect because Don looks like he's a flip book from the 1980s. I mean, it doesn't even look like.

[Alan Hahn]

Like I'm on my iPad. What do you want?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

Al.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you able to see him?

[Don Hahn]

Yes, I can. And it's. It's just. I told you, he. His Christmas gift is on its way. I can't wait to give it to him. It's going to change everything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's not going to change the camera. If he's using this camera.

[Don Hahn]

I'm on it.

[Alan Hahn]

I just want. I think the kids had it too much this weekend.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We got maybe. Oh, maybe. He said he zoomed in too much because of the big zoom. We're losing some pixels is what you're saying.

[Don Hahn]

The big zoo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, because. Oh, yeah. Cuz the second he goes further back, he looks better.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he's in. The problem is it's choosing wide front camera and he has to know to choose front camera instead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We gotta work out with old, old Pappy. Old Pappy down. All right, guys, I'll tell you one place we can celebrate all this is the ESPN New York holiday party, which is. Baby. No, it didn't. But it's back again. It's the Kay show and our show. Don Hanna, Rosenberg, all together at your mother's house in Garden City, Long island on Friday, December 12th. And we're once again collect collecting unwrapped toy donations this year to benefit the Garden of Dreams. It all kicks off at 1 on Friday, December 12th at your mother's house. Brought to you by Amazon Pickup Security Dodge and Spiked Aid.

[Caller]

Oh, now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now what? John Winthrop is asking us to come up with a good guess to try to find in Long island. On the island, if you will. If you have any good suggestions friends of the show we should be reaching out to. Do you think we can nag and hassle into showing up? Let us know and I will. Yeah, and they're willing to do it on the arm.

[Alan Hahn]

On the arm, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, exactly. We're trying to figure it out.

[Alan Hahn]

We're gonna make it as challenging as possible.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We'll take your calls to close out the hour then, Ian.

[Alan Hahn]

And you know, anybody's got a book to promote.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand when you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Of course, our Twitter account, Don Hot and Rosenberg has posted the video of Don doing jazzy hands with Peter in the middle. It almost is like the Crazy Eddie commercial with the insane. That's quite a. That's quite a visual, boys.

[Alan Hahn]

God, where's. We're really spontaneous thinkers, aren't we?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Such great talents we have over here. Yeah, let's keep the calls going before we get to enn. Well, this is a lot of. A lot of pie and cake. Let's go to J, which sounds crazy. Let's go to Jay. Hey, Jay.

[Caller]

Hey, fellas. So I always thought cake of being more for personal milestone celebrations like birthdays and weddings. Weddings. And pie for the holidays. So I've always kept it pie. I'm a big coconut pie guy myself. But do it as you wish, you know, do what you wish, but love the coconut Peter, man, you can't do intimate pie, man. That's. That's a cardinal sin, man. Guys are slaving. People are slaving over the stove. You can't come with a supermarket cake. You gotta go bake them.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but that's not just any supermarket cake, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you gotta understand intimates, man. It's different.

[Caller]

Yeah, I love intamins. But real quick, if I may, I got a quick question for Alan on the Knicks, because you're close to them. I'm not concerned yet. But I am perplexed as to the whole Jekyll and Hyde of winning. Like being world beaters at home. But you can't even barely beat the Dallas Mavericks on the road. And the old adage is always role players play better at home than on the road. So should I be concerned or do you see something that may be a Bit of a red flag right now or is it just a matter of just guys gelling and playing together and we'll start seeing these load games. Thank you for taking the call.

[Don Hahn]

You got it, Jake. I mean my red flag right now as a defense is not good. That's as simple as that. It's got to get better. And you know tonight's not a game to overlook because it's the Nets in there. You know, they're, they got a bad record. What are they? 3 and 13. But I, I, they, they, they, they've been playing harder lately and if you slip tonight, it's embarrassing. So I'm, I am concerned about the defense. Mike Brown says they'll get it right, that they'll, they are, they will be good enough. They miss OGN and obi. But that's why you don't play well on the road because as the old adage says, defense travels right. If you don't play, play good defense and you're playing teams that even if they're not good or missing players, but they are more comfortable at home and you're going to get beat. And that game in the second half in Orlando was just, was bad defense. It wasn't bad offense. Their offense is fine. Their defense is a problem and it's the same issues, a three point defense that forces you to run around a lot because they're knocking down threes and just takes the pain away. And then the pick and roll defense with, you know, towns struggle in that. So it's, we saw this last year. It's not a new thing but it's rearing its ugly head early this season and they've got to get that fixed because that's not championship caliber defense. They're playing the last five games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's go to Brad and Montclair. What's up Brad? What do you got?

[Caller]

Hey, what's up guys?

[Don Hahn]

Hey.

[Caller]

I wanted to comment quickly on Hal's comments earlier and just that you know, it seemed like kind of made explicit.

[Alan Hahn]

Some things that have kind of been.

[Caller]

Bubbling beneath the surface and it's really, it's like, you know, you just wonder like can this guy afford to own the Yankees? You know and it's like, you know, when you depend on franchise revenue, operating revenue to pay for everything, it's tough to compete with hedge fund.

[Don Hahn]

Brad, hang on a second. Brad, how much did they spend on payroll this year?

[Caller]

No, but I hear you. 300, 350.

[Alan Hahn]

How much did they.

[Don Hahn]

No, but just, I just want to, to do this exercise with you how much did he spend on payroll last year, the year before?

[Alan Hahn]

350.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. And then the year before that, you know, 300.

[Caller]

350.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly. So. So you see, the point is, it's not about how much he's spending, it's about how it's being spent. Brad.

[Caller]

No, I disagree. It's how much he can afford to spend because that is his.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he's affording to spend the top percent of payroll of any other team in the league.

[Alan Hahn]

I. I think not to. Not to speak for you. What's the name of the caller again? I'm sorry, Brad. Brad. I think what Brad's point is is that there are rumors that since Cohen has owned the Mets, he has lost $200 million. He can afford to lose money because he's dipping into his own hedge fund money to be able to throw in. How can't do that. How's not going to lose money to make money?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Like, he makes money, but he doesn't have a bottomless pit of money like some of these owners do, which puts them at a bit of a disadvantage. Yes, they have the third highest payroll, but if they ever wanted to challenge the Dodgers, he might lose some money. Should he have to lose money in order to. To have the highest payroll in baseball?

[Don Hahn]

No, he shouldn't have.

[Alan Hahn]

He shouldn't have to do that.

[Don Hahn]

And that, I think that's the point I'm trying to make that everybody keeps missing is the point I'm trying to. Like what? Like Cohen. Cohen losing that much money, that's not good business.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it doesn't matter how he makes his money. It's how Hal makes his money.

[Don Hahn]

But you could say that he could afford to do it, but it's still bad business. And you're mostly going to fail the more you succeed doing it that way. What I'm saying is that House Steinbrenner is still writing really, really big checks, but I don't think they're holding the right guy accountable. Not him.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't blame the. You're right on that front. But, like, look at the Cody the Bellinger situation, right? It's possible that if the Mets want him, then they'll just. They'll just overpay for him, and eventually Steinberg is going to have to tap out long before Cohen would have to tap out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, is that fair?

[Alan Hahn]

Now, nobody's going to cry poverty for the Yankees, so nobody feels bad for them. But Cohen might say, I'll lose a few bucks, but I want Bellinger.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, great. But again, you wouldn't be in that situation if not for other contracts, other deals that you made that aren't really the smartest deals that you are now paying off, that you still have $72 million in four players, one of them not even playing for anymore in DJ lemayu. Right. But you gotta understand like there's, there's some decisions that are gonna fall on someone else. Not that I can't afford it. Is that I'm giving you plenty of money to, to put, to compete. You're just not spending it wisely.

[Alan Hahn]

But listen, Cohen had the same situation when he had to buy his way out of the, the Scherzer and Verlander contracts. And that didn't stop him from, from getting Juan Soto.

[Don Hahn]

So that was his own fault.

[Alan Hahn]

The point is, is that that's why if you had a cap, it would just come down to who does better with their money. Maybe the Yankees would lose even more because they haven't done well with their money.

[Don Hahn]

I don't think the cap would have the Yankees.

[Alan Hahn]

Is it fair, and it's coming from a Met fan. Is it fair that somebody can go to a bottomless pit of money because he, he's worth $16 billion and then the Yankees. And it's hard to believe it, but I'm saying this can be looked upon as a mom and pop because it is. How's a billionaire because of the Yankees?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you know, I think I said that a couple of years ago and I got, I got, I got chastised for it and I.

[Alan Hahn]

True.

[Don Hahn]

The Yankees are, are basically, basically not in reality, but basically a mom and pop. That's what it is. It's, it's a family owned business.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, a rich mom and pop, but a mom and pop.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I mean. It's again, essentially not in reality, but essentially that's what it is. What goes in helps what, what goes, goes out. That's it. That's how it works. And they still have to come away to profit, to pay everybody, including those who own the team. You still want to come away with something. You don't want to be in the red every year. You can't afford to do that. It's not a real thing because there's no other revenue streams. Unless of course, you want to use Yankee Stadium and some of the other stuff that they have involved with the Yankees that help make them money, including, you know, the network.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but it's nothing like these other teams that have tons of other corporate interests that can make so much other money.

[Don Hahn]

Dodgers do. Absolutely not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Totally different animal.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

[Don Hahn]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8.

[Don Hahn]

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