Hour 3: Changed Calls

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary
Episode: Hour 3: Changed Calls
Release Date: April 21, 2025

In this compelling episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don La Greca and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the contentious officiating decisions that shook a recent Yankees versus Rays game. The discussion navigates the intricacies of baseball's scoring system, the impact of umpire calls on game outcomes, and the broader implications for the sport's integrity.

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1. The Controversial No-Hitter Call

The episode kicks off with Don La Greca recounting a pivotal moment from the Yankees' game against the Rays. Max Fried was on the verge of securing a no-hitter heading into the eighth inning. However, an error initially ruled in the sixth inning was later overturned to a hit, thereby nullifying Fried's no-hitter.

Don La Greca [02:41]: "It's the most bizarre thing. It's the only sport left where human error is still a real thing."

Peter Rosenberg echoes this sentiment, expressing frustration over the delayed decision.

Peter Rosenberg [01:39]: "What I hated was, how do you not, like, how do you not call it a hit?"

2. Reaction to Official Scorer Bill Matthews

The hosts critically examine the role of Bill Matthews, the official scorer responsible for altering the game's score in real-time.

Don La Greca [03:08]: "I am absolutely flabbergasted. Ladies and gentlemen, the official scorer here at Steinbrenner Field, a man by the name of Bill Matthews, has changed the Simpson E3 into a hit while the Yankees are in the dugout."

Peter criticizes Matthews' decision-making process, highlighting the inconsiderate timing of the call.

Peter Rosenberg [03:21]: "Just unfathomable. He has to give some pretty good answers because I can't believe that this just happened."

3. Implications for Max Fried and Game Integrity

Don and Peter explore how the altered call affected Max Fried's performance and the broader narrative of the game.

Don La Greca [07:20]: "If he gives up another hit and gets taken out of the game, I could just leave it the way that it is. Nobody."

Peter Rosenberg [07:53]: "Is a Yankees fan who wanted to see or hope to see history and didn't."

They discuss the psychological impact on Fried and question the consistency of officiating.

4. Aaron Judge's Questionable Home Run

Shifting focus, the conversation transitions to Aaron Judge's disputed home run during the same game. The hosts debate the ramifications of such calls on player legacies and record books.

Don La Greca [08:03]: "It's Aaron Judge, is that. Would it be that crazy to think that he might turn around and hit 72 home runs this year and then doesn't tie the record or break the record of Barry Bonds because of that."

Peter highlights the potential long-term effects on Judge's career statistics.

Peter Rosenberg [10:31]: "He put it on replay and whatever they did, whatever the replay. Now, if I'm not mistaken, the umpires are out of the replay decision, right?"

5. Broader Issues with Umpiring in Baseball

The hosts expand their critique to the overall state of umpiring in Major League Baseball, comparing it unfavorably to other sports where technology aids officiating.

Don La Greca [12:12]: "These umpires, I love getting on Manfred, cuz I think of the four commissioners, I think he's by far the worst."

Peter Rosenberg [14:01]: "It's, it's, it really is."

Don advocates for technological advancements, such as lasers, to improve the accuracy of calls.

Don La Greca [30:48]: "And then you'll have the technology to know if it hit it, and you'd be able to easily determine on what side it landed on."

6. The Impact on Team Performance and Fan Perception

Don and Peter discuss how these officiating decisions not only affect individual players but also influence team dynamics and fan trust.

Don La Greca [19:23]: "Speaking of Juan Soto era, the alternative of Juan Soto is Max free. Let's keep that in mind."

Peter Rosenberg [21:22]: "So how has this worked out so far for the Yankees? It's worked out quite well."

They touch upon the Yankees' strategies and player performances amidst the controversy.

7. Conclusion: The Need for Reform

Wrapping up, the hosts emphasize the necessity for immediate reforms in baseball's officiating protocols to preserve the sport's integrity and ensure fair play.

Don La Greca [36:10]: "Let’s get it right, man."

Peter Rosenberg [36:11]: "The home run drives me crazy. The Max Fried thing doesn't bother me. The only thing is, like, learn from it and don't ever wait."

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Key Takeaways:

• Human Error in Baseball: Unlike other sports, baseball still heavily relies on human judgment for crucial calls, leading to contentious decisions that can alter game outcomes significantly.

• Impact on Players and Records: Decisions like the one affecting Max Fried and Aaron Judge not only influence individual performances but also have lasting effects on player legacies and historical records.

• Technological Integration: There is a strong call for integrating advanced technology, such as lasers, to assist umpires in making accurate and timely decisions.

• Fan Trust and Team Dynamics: Controversial calls undermine fan trust and can disrupt team morale, highlighting the urgent need for consistency and transparency in officiating.

Don La Greca and Peter Rosenberg provide a thorough analysis of these issues, urging Major League Baseball to adopt measures that enhance the accuracy of in-game decisions and uphold the sport's fairness.

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For more insightful discussions on New York sports and beyond, tune in to the next episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg on ESPN New York and New Jersey.

Transcript

[Don La Greca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don La Greca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

On 8:80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Don La Greca]

501 of the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg. Take it up until 6:30, then it's Mets baseball. So the Yankees had an interesting weekend against the Rays at a minor league baseball stadium that's theirs. So that's not weird enough. They blow a big lead on Saturday, but they come back and they win the game yesterday. Freed was tremendous, but did you all see what happened in the, in the game where there was a hit that was ruled in error and so the no hitters intact, but then going into the 8th inning they change it to a hit, taking the no hitter away from Max Freedom. Now Michael K. Went off on it during the broadcast saying it's unfathomable that this would happen. But did you see the play, guys? Did you see the error, the play in question in the sixth? I have not. I need to see. Alan, did you see it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Don La Greca]

It's a, it's a hit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was, I mean, it wasn't like something that they could have made the play anyway. You have to look at it that way. What I hated was, how do you not, like, how do you not call it a hit?

[Don La Greca]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then go back later like he had to have realized, like, all right, like, like that I shouldn't have done that. I should change it. I don't think it affected Free. Freed said he didn't know, but he looked up when his inning was, when he walked out of the game and realized and he said two hits. And he thought, oh, okay, they must have changed it. Like he, he didn't. It wasn't as if it affected him on the mound where like a big announcement happened and he looked around going, wait, what? What? Like it didn't mess with. I don't think it messed with him. No, but it just, it just, it's a quirk of baseball. It just is so bizarre. It's the most bizarre thing. It's the only sport left where human error is still a real thing, really, if you think about everything else is is corrected by video, except for this. Although I guess a home run is incorrected by video, but that's another story.

[Don La Greca]

But here, so. So ends up. It was in the sixth inning. It was ruled an error. So. So everybody in the building, everybody watching on. Yes, we go to the eighth inning where Freed has a no hitter intact going into the eighth inning. But before the eighth inning, the official score changes it to a hit. And here is Michael's reaction. Beginning the top of the eighth inning in Tampa. You see the line and no, you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Didn'T miss a batter.

[Don La Greca]

I am absolutely flabbergasted. Ladies and gentlemen, the official scorer here at Steinbrenner Field, a man by the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Name of Bill Matthews has changed the.

[Don La Greca]

Simpson E3 into a hit while the Yankees are in the dugout.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just unfathomable.

[Don La Greca]

Either you call it when it happens. You don't wait three innings to go by. It's just unbelievable. And there is Bill Matthews and he's going to have a lot of questions thrown at him and he's going to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have to give some pretty good answers because I can't believe that this just happened. Now, that is not wrong.

[Don La Greca]

But he's not right either in the sense that you can change it. From what I understand, you could change it 24 hours later. Now, that would be egregious if a guy celebrates a no hitter and then you literally take it away from him after the fact. But while the game is over, we've seen hits and errors get changed within the game. It is a little odd that it took a couple of innings, but here's what I'm thinking, is that when you see it in real time, there's no way that it's not a hit. Not so much, Peter. The fact that the ball was misplayed, that if the ball was played properly, Freed was not getting to first base, it was going to be an infield hit. And so mistake one, he calls it an error, where clearly it was a hit. So what usually happens during games is that opposing managers will call up, sometimes players will call and say, why did you call that an error? It should have been a hit, or vice versa. You'll see pitchers say, hey, that happens all the time. You will see media members, I've seen it. Media members go to the official score and say, man, you should look at that again, man, that's not. That's not what happened. All right, now he's got that filed away. I'm sure people probably were in his ear saying, man, you should look at that again. But he's probably thinking to himself, you know, all right, let's not worry about it. Because if he gives up a hit, it's only the sixth inning. If he gives up a hit at some point, it's going to be moot. Now I'm not going to have to change it or if he, if he doesn't stay in the game, it's not going to matter. So I'm not going to have to change it. But now you get to the eighth inning, he's six outs away. I mean, it's, it's becoming real. And I think at that point Freed was like in the low 90s as far as pitches were concerned. So now it becomes a possibility. My pitch, the no hitter. And he's probably like, well, now I better. If I don't do it now, I'm never going to do it. And it's going to look just as bad that that was a play that everybody thought was a hit and I didn't call it that. And he ends up celebrating a no hitter that he didn't deserve. Isn't it better that I just re look at it? You know what? That's a hit. To me, I don't really see the complaining because I think everybody that saw it believes it was a hit. So shouldn't. Isn't it better for him to correct it than a not corrected and then there be that no hitter where there was a serious doubt on whether that was a hit or not, or you. Or turn around what you can't do and that change it after the fact. So, yeah, I understand it's a little bit of a kerfuffle and certainly he got it wrong to begin with and I can't let him up for that. But the fact that everybody looked at it and agreed that it was a hit, then what's the complaining? You want him to get a bogus no hitter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was. No, it was the time. It was, it was. That's it. It's, it's the, it was the time. It was waiting on it. That's what didn't make sense. It was going back. I don't think there was anything, you know, malicious going on. No, oh, oh, it's a no hitter. I don't think it's that. I think it was that recognition though, of, well, I can't wait till after the game do it because a lot of times you could do it. A lot of times it happens after the Game, they make adjustments. It happens in the NBA. In the NBA, you'll see all of a sudden in the box score, you'll see that throughout the whole game, it will say, this guy had five steals. And then they'll take a steal away, they'll give it to somebody else or whatever it is.

[Don La Greca]

Right. It happens.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, they always adjust things just to correct and make sure they get everything right. And this happens in baseball as well. They'll go back and they'll change. They'll give somebody a hit who deserved the hit and all that stuff. This was one, though, that it was a fielding error. So I think the initial reaction is he booted the ball. He completely misplayed it. And that's. That's your error part of it. And he probably didn't take the time to realize that. You know what? This. He wouldn't have. He wouldn't have beaten the throw or, I mean, Freed wouldn't have gotten there. He would have beaten the throw. So I just don't like that. Why'd that take you three innings?

[Don La Greca]

Well, I really believe that the reason it took as long as it did was he was thinking, I don't want to have to change it if I don't have to. So if he. If he gives up another hit and gets taken out of the game, I could just leave it the way that it is. Nobody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did he get it right? Did he get it right?

[Don La Greca]

He got it right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's all that matters. He got it right. So everybody complaining is a Yankees fan. I am, too. Is a Yankees fan who wanted to see or hope to see history and didn't. And don't think for a second, oh, well, that messed with his head, which is why he gave up a hit in that eighth inning. He. He told you himself.

[Don La Greca]

Right. He didn't know because nobody in the building. So it didn't. So to me, if you really want to complain about what happened yesterday, that's the home run that was taken away from Aaron Judge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Don La Greca]

And the reason why this is a big deal, because it's Aaron Judge, is that. Would you be that. Would it be that crazy to think that he might turn around and hit 72 home runs this year and then doesn't tie the record or break the record of Barry Bonds because of that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or if he just. Or if he gets 62.

[Don La Greca]

Right. The American League over his own record?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I. I don't like it. And again, did it have any impact on the final game? No. No impact on the score. It didn't have an impact, I mean, on the, the result, it's. It's more to me. Donny, how did you miss that? How could you possibly not? And if you're watching it, I heard Michael K. Say that Major League Baseball, they get the same replays TV does. If you saw the third replay, because the first two, it's blue sky and a little tiny baseball, I had a hard time following it. But the one that really got me was the one that zoomed in and once it hits the tree line.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's so clearly fair.

[Don La Greca]

But how did they not overturn it when they look at it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Review, I have no idea. Which is. Now, did you see Boone waited for the at bat and of course he strikes out, right? Of course he. Of course he gets beat on it on a. The low and away. That got him in the low, low part of the zone. And he had to walk away from that at bat. And then Boone decided, okay, because of the at bat ended the way it ended. I'm going to get my. I'm going to take a piece out of these guys. And he went out on the field and he went nuts. Which I, I believe in that. Yeah, I believe in exactly what he did there was the right thing to do. Wait for the at bat to end because you never know the next pitch could have gone out and then if it ended poorly, let him have.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, that's the perfect thing to do. You know, you don't want to mess.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Up and change that. They can't go back and give him.

[Don La Greca]

The home run, but let him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, actually that was a home run. They can't do it.

[Don La Greca]

They can't do it. But you know what? The fact that everybody in that dugout, including Aaron Judge, knows that Boon, he's got his back and that's what he's trying to do there and just show his displeasure. He was Boone after the game, not happy about the non home run. The audacity of the call standing is remarkable. It's a home run. It didn't go our way though. You know, I get it's high towering. But then, you know, it goes to replay and I guess they couldn't find enough conclusive. So we got to live with the. Live with the call. Now, call me a fool if you want, but I don't think I am that. The guy that's got the best look is Judge, and I believe Judges is a really good guy. I don't think he would lie. I don't think that he would tell you it was a home run if he didn't believe it was a home run.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Agree.

[Don La Greca]

Here is Judge on his possible home run.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it was a fair ball. That's why we got replay.

[Don La Greca]

It's not umpires. It's tough in a situation like this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where at a minor league park, you.

[Don La Greca]

Know, the foul polls aren't is high. So that's why you have replay. They have every angle and that's a terrible one. And that's basically the way Aaron Judge shows his displeasure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. I like the way he handled that though.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you hear the way he handled that?

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, he took it off. He took the onus off the umpire.

[Don La Greca]

He.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He put it on replay and whatever they did, whatever the replay. Now remember, if I'm not mistaken, the umpires are out of the replay decision, right? They aren't the ones watching replay.

[Don La Greca]

No, no. They're going on that little like mass unit phone because baseball's gotta do everything old timey. They gotta like take out the old Don Lagreca cellular phone from 1992, you know, Waddle, literally waddle over to the dugout. That's not nice. And go listen to it as if again we're on the beaches of Normandy trying to find out when the planes are gonna come for to talk to New York to find out if it's a home run or not. But in real time, okay? In real time, 90 seconds after it happened, there was a replay on. Yes. That showed very clearly it was a home run.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Clearly.

[Don La Greca]

So I don't. In the same game in which you're able to come back later and figure out that an error is now a hit, they couldn't in less than two minutes decide that a home run was decidedly a home run. It's embarrassing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's, it's, it really is.

[Don La Greca]

I gotta tell you. I mean these umpires, I love getting on Manfred, cuz I think of the four commissioners, I think he's by far the worst. And how he cannot get his umpires to stop embarrassing themselves. I don't know what's taking so long with the electronic strike zone. I mean, really, the strike zone was awful the other day in the Met Cardinal game. I mean, the Mets benefited from it, but still it's not the way it's supposed to be. You know, these. And you know what, it's really hard to be an umpire, but it's also hard to be an official. And I think of the four major sports, the easiest one is baseball, because you're stationary. In hockey, you're skating up and down. Basketball, you're running up and down football, there's a billion things going on. Who's holding, who's doing this? Who's doing that? In baseball, fair foul. Strike out. Home run. Not a home run. I mean, honestly, you got seven of them out there. They're all got to look at the same 5ft. Still can't do it. You still keep Angel Hernandez employed, even though everybody, including his parents, think he's awful at what he does. I swear to God, man, get your blank together. He is so bad. So soft.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So soft.

[Don La Greca]

So, so soft. God. But only in baseball, right? Like, hockey's got its controversies because was it goaltender interference or not? That's subjective. Pass interference. Everybody complains about the officials and the referees. I get it. But a baseball man, dude, what are you doing? You're not running up and down. God forbid. If you did, we'd lose you. My God, they're all 106. Please, for the love of God, man, I'm telling you. Can you imagine these umpires running up and down the court during the playoff game? Can you imagine it? I can't. You know why? It wouldn't happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It'd be entertaining as all hell. It'd be really funny.

[Don La Greca]

Who was the crew yesterday? You guys know which one it was? Well, again, to miss the home run is one thing. For them to replay it, that's the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what Judge was saying.

[Don La Greca]

The home plate umpire was Adam Beck with John Bacon. The first base umpire, Scott Berry was the third base umpire.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So wait, wasn't John Bacon involved in something else the other day?

[Don La Greca]

Oh, there's Kevin Bacon, his brother. He's in a lot of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if it's.

[Don La Greca]

Oh, the ball strikes with Bacon.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. Wasn't John Bacon involved in something the other day?

[Don La Greca]

Yes, but Jazz Chisholm. Yeah, same crew.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. It was him and Jazz Chisholm that had it out. Right? So listen, I think the way Judge handled this is subtly, again, wise. And if you're baseball, this is embarrassing. Not just because it's a home run and Aaron Judge is one of the biggest names and best players in your sport, and you couldn't get that, right. Like, wouldn't I get everybody wants to be treated equal. I get everybody's the same. I get it. But we all know everybody's not the same. Shouldn't there be a little more heightened awareness in the replay center when it's an Aaron Judge home run? Like, instead of just, like, dismissing it as. No, no, it's not out. Like, let's make sure we get this right, because you know the amount of attention it's going to get.

[Don La Greca]

And it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think Judge saying that Judge took the onus off the umpire. He said it himself. That's tough for those guys in that moment. That's tough. Replay, though.

[Don La Greca]

And if it's literally anybody else in baseball, it doesn't matter. The Yankees won the game. So what? But is it that crazy to think that this guy is going to be approaching a record? And we're not going to circle back to Easter Sunday, April 20, on the home run that wasn't. That cost him a record, American League record, Major League baseball record, whatever. What if the guy, God forbid, ends his career with 499 home runs or 599 home run. But you know what I'm saying, Like, we live in a world. See, back in the Joe DiMaggio days, you can make it up because there's no. There's no replay. All right? They all. When DiMaggio got a hit, they reenacted the swing and they faked the crack of the bat. And then they used stock footage of him rounding first base. That was his base hit. We've got how many different angles? So this could literally guys live forever. Can you imagine if he retired? He is going to be in Cooperstown being inducted into the hall of fame, sitting on 499 home runs. And they're going to show that home run and say, this is why he didn't hit 500 or 600 or 700 or whatever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's crazy.

[Don La Greca]

They should be sick to their stomach at Major League Baseball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course, again, if this is Joe Shablotnik or whatever that name is that you guys love to.

[Don La Greca]

Slobotnik.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So Slobotnik, if it's him, nobody cares.

[Don La Greca]

Nobody cares.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just one of those like, oh, wow, they got that wrong.

[Don La Greca]

Honestly, literally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Judge, man, any Shohei Ohtani, it's the same thing. You don't do it. Shohei Ohtani. Make sure, make sure. Because you're right. When it's September 16th, will we remember this? Or it'll be completely forgotten and overlooked?

[Don La Greca]

Well, maybe it'll be forgotten because he won't break the American or baseball record in 2025. But maybe he'll. Maybe his milestone will be short. Like I said. What if he goes out there in his 20, 32, 99.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Don La Greca]

They're not going to look back and go, oh, there's a home run that should have been. I think, you know what I'm trying to remember there's somebody on social media, I think there was a questionable non home run during McGuire's record breaking season and it didn't matter because he broke the record anyway. I'm trying to remember there was like some kind of. It was before replay and all that. But there's replay. I mean, how do you do that? You should be sick to your stomach. Major League Baseball. You should be firing people today, honestly. Really. I mean, these. What do we keep hearing all the time? Records matter in baseball. Numbers matter in baseball. Well, not to this commissioner. He thinks your championship trophy's a piece of tin. So why am I that surprised by any of this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why to me, the Freed thing, I shrug at that. I just shrugged. It is a baseball quirk that there is somebody that is literally like the judge, jury and executioner when it comes to the play and it's his decision. This dude, this, this baseball lifer that has sat and watched a million games. That's what he does for a living. And he waited longer than he should have. That added a little extra drama. That was unnecessary, but whatever. But we all know when you watch the replay, there's no denying like that Freed wasn't getting there. That was going to be an infield hit. But the Judge one blows your mind totally.

[Don La Greca]

It's an insane, it's an insane moment. But not to get in the way of our fetching about terrible umpiring to point out though. I mean, I've been very critical about the expectations of the Yankees being great in spite of the players. They're down. But the Max Freed thing is panning out so far about as well as any acquisition they've had short of Juan Soto so far. 4.0.1.2.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Speaking of Juan Soto era, the alternative of Juan Soto is Max free. Let's keep that in mind. So how has this worked out so far for the Yankees? It's worked out quite well. Losing, you know, it felt like a terrible loss in the moment. But this so far has turned into this. I don't you want to say it's the, it's the better alternative. It has certainly worked out as such, especially when you now know that Gary Cole, you know, the results of Garrett Cole this season, it's huge.

[Don La Greca]

And also it's very early. I get it. But you know what? These, these, these wins still count. They're the best team in the American League and it's not close.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Am I allowed. I hate the delay. I'm sorry, guys. Am I allowed to be. What was the word you use? Peter. Fetching. Am I. Am I allowed to do that, though, about Devin Williams at this point? Is it still too early about this?

[Don La Greca]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean.

[Don La Greca]

Well, can I just say. You can, but when you look at, like, where this team is actually sitting right now, you are. It is still sort of being that guy. Like, yes, he had something to worry about, but at the same time, they're actually. This isn't like, the Yankees are actually putting together a real solid record here early on. I mean, how much time you want to spend fetching about Devin Williams? I mean, I hear you. Let's see where we land with it. But right now, how many wins has he cost his team?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, wins, okay, because they survived, but did lose.

[Don La Greca]

They've survived, I think, like, every time they've survived eight to four. It's tough, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And lost the game.

[Don La Greca]

When you're. When you're Juan Soto and you're struggling early, it's tough to quantify what it's costing you. Because hitting is built to fail, right? You fail 70% of the time, so. And the Mets were winning anyway. But when you're a closer, your job is to close, and when you don't close, it's. It's a problem. Yeah, it's a problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it goes beyond that, though. And like, let me read you this. This little point that was made by a writer about Devin Williams is something that they've noticed about him in the clubhouse. He doesn't seem to be embracing the sideshows that come with being a Yankee with. With the media in earshot, he's griped about how many reporters have been in the Yankee clubhouse before and after games. Dude, my man, you signed with the New York Yankees. What did you think was gonna. What are all these media doing here? Are you new? If this is already a problem and you're a little concerned, not new to.

[Don La Greca]

Baseball, but you would think, I'm sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'Re not new to the sport. But like, like, if, like, you're already starting and I've seen guys like this that do this, they don't like having reporters around. And so you come from a small market where it's like a one paper town, and it's like, you know, it's the beat writer, the columnist, a radio guy, and maybe, you know, a blogger that's a team blogger, so he's not allowed to ask any damn questions. That's all you got. And they're out of the room. The minute if you tell them, you know, you know, go, you know, disappear, they'll. They'll all run away. They're the ones, Don. That do that. Laughter. You hate.

[Don La Greca]

Yes. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the type that he likes, that kind of media that does what they're told, seen and not heard. He. If he's already gonna start giving us these. These Kevin Brown vibes.

[Don La Greca]

Well, that's the thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And. And they changed the rule for you.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How's your beard? How do you feel about having that beard? You feel good about that?

[Don La Greca]

That's another thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now you want the media out there.

[Don La Greca]

Is the narrative that he's kind of the face, literally, of this change to the facial hair. And this is where I get on Brian Cashman, because we've seen a history of this before. You brought up Kevin Brown. You know, you can bring up other guys like Sonny Gray, where you acquire these guys, and they're not ready for prime time. They're not ready for New York. You got to sift that out. If you're a general manager, you got to say, all right, obviously, all these numbers are really cool, and we'd like to add these numbers to our team. But is he ready to be a New York Yankees? He ready to have to deal with all this media? The guy pitched in Milwaukee. You probably have three people following the team. We've got like 30 people following the team. Is he ready for this? And we've seen a history where that doesn't seem to be a high priority for Brian Cashman, because a few of them have slipped through here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don, why don't they do. I'd love to ask Brian this, and he probably will say, yes, we do. Why don't they do that kind of extra work on players where, okay, we got the baseball numbers. The geek squad told us all the numbers that fit with the way we want to play and what we want to do and what fits in our stadium. But do we also have, like, the psychological profile of a player? How does he deal with pressure? How does he deal with criticism? How does he handle intensity? Is he someone that's a little more. Not, like, how does he handle it? And maybe you won't know until he's in it. Maybe that's part of the deal.

[Don La Greca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don La Greca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don La Greca]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don La Greca]

Game time is brought to you by Tullamore Dew Irish Whiskey because when it's game time, Alan, it's Teletime. Knicks Pistons Game 2 coverage starts on 1050 at 7:00. Isaiah Stewart out tonight for the Pistons. That's big. That's huge. Mets start a series with Phillies coverage immediately following us on 880 at 7 and the Yankees are in Cleveland to take on the guardians at 6:10. Tullamore do the original triple distill, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a telemore due or try to do Tullamore Dew honey during tonight's action. Glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly. So how big is Stewart's absence tonight? Peter Allen Fred well it we talked.

[Peter Rosenberg]

About it at the start of the show when I mentioned that he barely played in the fourth quarter. It's it just he's their kind of physical presence. He's their bully. Like they got a couple of guys that are talking tough and bringing up the whole our bad boys image thing. They don't have that without him because he's the marginal guy that, you know of everybody that talks trash and does all that stuff in an NBA game, there's a lot of times you just feel like, yeah, yeah, it's all part of the show when he does it, you know, like this dude can swing at any moment. Like he doesn't care. So it does keep you on edge a little. He also, to his credit, while he's not a big offensive guy, he's a, not only a physical player, but he's a good defender in pick and roll. He's tough, he sets hard screens. You know, he's going to, you're going to feel him every night. And as guys who try to avoid him because you just don't want to, you don't want to run into him. He's a strong guy. Taking him out of their rotation, Duran is their starting center. Jalen Duran, he's also a big strong guy. But while he sets hard screens, he fouls like he's always fouling like. So he's somebody that struggles with foul trouble. They are now significantly smaller at center. Duran can't guard Towns. Stewart did a good job guarding Towns when the couple of games during the regular season. So I look at Carlton Towns tonight, I'm like, this is a game where he could go off. It has to be a game where he goes off. Or does Detroit try to play him and double him. And now all of a sudden Jalen Brunson now is no longer dealing with all the attention this could. This is a very, very interesting game to watch now to see if the Knicks can exploit the reason why all of a sudden the toughness factor, that physicality factor that the Pistons talk about, I don't know if they're going to have nearly as much without him part of the deal.

[Don La Greca]

All right, see if the Knicks can take advantage. 1-800-919-3776 Just a quick reminder, 6:00 enn it'll be an Anthony Pusick. And in the bottom of the hour, coverage for Mets and the Phillies will be all over that tomorrow. All over the Knicks, Yankees Guardians. Big week of shows coming up here on Don Han and Rosenberg. Let's go to Sean. He's in Florida. You're on espn New York. Hi, Sean. Hey, don't you guys doing good? I was calling because like how you guys are talking about the era getting turned into a hit and baseball is the only sport where, you know, some of the sport is actually up for interpretation, like holding football. Yeah, that could Be called every play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, like, with the home run, like putting a camera on the poles and.

[Don La Greca]

Sticking straight up in the air, I mean, I think it'd be the easiest way for them to tell if it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A home run or a foul once.

[Don La Greca]

And it goes over the pole. Well, I guess the issue that Michael brought up today that I didn't even think about is that because it's a minor league park, it's not like a major league stadium where you have an upper deck. And so the. The foul poles are really high.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is the pole short? Shorter?

[Don La Greca]

Yes, it's shorter than it is in a major league park. So that made it a little bit more difficult. Michael brought up lasers, maybe. Lasers certainly would help. I think they should have that in the NFL, too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Well, just trying lasers to go straight up into the.

[Don La Greca]

I mean, whatever it takes. Like, I understand. Although I think we have the technology to make the foul poles higher. These guys are hitting monster home runs. Sometimes they're hitting it over the foul pole just like. There's got to be ways to make the goalposts higher in the NFL. But I guess the physics of it is if you make them too high, then they'll bend or be more susceptible to move if it's a windy day. And that could affect things. So I don't know all the architecture of that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just put a couple of light beams at the top. Beams just shoot straight up into the.

[Don La Greca]

Sky, and then you'll have the technology.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hollywood premieres all the time, don't we?

[Don La Greca]

And then you would know if it hit it, and you'd be able to easily determine on what side it landed on. So it's just one of those quirks playing in a minor league stadium. They probably have the same issue in Sacramento for the A's, too, but it's something for major league to think about. But unfortunately, baseball, they snails pace when they try to advance.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I never thought about that playing a minor league ballpark. No, it's fine. Same dimensions, right?

[Don La Greca]

It's only the Rays. What could happen?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Don La Greca]

A lot can happen. Tristan in Nashville. You're on espn. New York. How are you? How you doing, guys? Doing good? Awesome. I just want to talk about what you guys are just talking about. It's. You know, why isn't major league baseball advancing? I think the. The laser thing on top of the foul poles is interesting. I. I'm not a scientist. Like, you know, like you guys are saying. I don't know if that might interfere with, like, air traffic travel or something. You don't Want to interfere with that. I don't know how powerful the laser is going to be, but one thing that stuck out to me, you guys were mentioning how people change stats all the time in the NHL, the NBA, they do it all the time. Why can't we do that in Major League Baseball? I mean, the score, the end of the game was 4 nothing. They could 5 nothing and give. Give the home run to judge. I don't see, you know, why that's the only. Maybe, like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, the only thing there, Tristan. Yeah, but while his point is valid, is understandable. The thing you can't do is set a precedent because, okay, this is a 4 nothing game, so what does it matter? But if another game ended up 8, like, like 8, 7, even though at the time they were up 8 4, and the home run would have made it 8, 5.

[Don La Greca]

Right, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now all of a sudden you're messing with the game. You can't. And so wait, oh, so because it was a, it was a blowout, it doesn't matter. So I don't get the credit of a home run or I don't get the credit of my hit because it was in a close game. You can't set that precedent of what's good for some isn't good for all. That's why you can't do that. What he's saying makes sense, but you cannot do that.

[Don La Greca]

The only way you'd even think about doing it is if it were the final play of the game, which would not be here because they were on the road. But let's say the Yankees were home and the game was tied, bottom of the ninth inning, and he hits that ball and they review it and it got screwed up. And then later on, could you say, all right, Yankees won. Like what we saw at the Galarraga perfect game. Remember, that would have been the final play. If they got the out corrected, he would have had his perfect game done. Instead, he ends up getting a regular 1 hitter. Would have been so wrong for Major League Baseball to say, you know what? We looked at the replay, he's out. Give him the perfect game. No harm, no foul. Like, I agree with you, you can't. The fallacy of the predetermined outcome, if it's something that happened before the game was over, you're kind of messing with history, kind of like a back to the future thing. But if it's the last play and could you go back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about gambling? To the gambling aspect, the overall under. How about that empty net goal that was scored last night? The golden, the Golden Knights.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, with like a tenth of a second to go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tenth of a second. But now it hit now, now the, the over hits. Right? Like so it's, it's a weird thing that you can't mess with any of this stuff. Once it's done, it's done. You can't come back a day later because all that's been paid out.

[Don La Greca]

I know that money now like you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can'T, you can't do that. So what it's got to be in the moment. And if it's not in the moment, you can't turn it back again. The NBA does their, their last two minute report. Last two minutes of a game, of a close game. They will let you know, right call, wrong call. They will also say like they will the NBA if, if they see a foot on the line on A3, the video review will then tell the referees take the point away.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And so all of a sudden you have a game that you thought was a tie game. Oh, you come back from break and now you're down one.

[Don La Greca]

That's happened.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got to do it in the moment.

[Don La Greca]

That's happened in some of the games that I was calling. All of a sudden I look up, why is the score different? But, and the same thing with technical moment. Like the next day they'll take a technical away because that's just accounting because a certain number of technicals will get you suspended. But that doesn't wait a minute affect the game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It can. So the guy could gets called for a Tech, I lose by one, the Tech gets rescinded.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That means that Tech that the technical foul shot that was made in shouldn't have been a foul shot. Right?

[Don La Greca]

True, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it's a point in the game that shouldn't have been scored. That would bother me.

[Don La Greca]

I remember, I don't know what you do about this, but I remember watching a Giant game. It might been a little bit too long ago for Anthony to remember. Giants were playing again. I think it was against the Eagles. And LT gets called for a defensive holding penalty and he goes nuts and he throws his helmet and gets an additional 15 yard penalty. But the officials get together and pick up the flag on the defensive hold. But the 15 yard penalty for throwing his helmet still happens. It's like wait a minute, why don't you take it? I remember John Madden calling the game. John's like, well they should take that away too. He only reacted to the bogus call. But it's still the reason why I got mad. So you Just can't mess. You know what? How about this? We've got replay. Let's get it right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just get it right.

[Don La Greca]

Let's get it right, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The home run drives me crazy. The max free thing doesn't bother me. The only thing is, like, learn from it and don't ever wait. Like, you can't go two innings later and then go back on it. You got to check it. If you aren't sure, check it after the inning, during the break and do it there. Don't wait too, like two innings later. Looks, it looks, as the kids say, sus little suspicious, right? Like, that's the only thing I would say is don't. Don't do it there. But the, but the home run is.

[Don La Greca]

Listen, I can't speak for everybody, but I do know a few official scores. Howie Carpet, who I used to work with at sportsville, great job doing official scoring. Believe me, again, I can't speak for everybody. These guys take it very, very seriously. Like, they don't want to get it wrong and they want to make sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The guy at Newsday, there was an editor at Newsday who used to be a scorer, and they're all fans, but.

[Don La Greca]

I'm telling you, he was great. These guys, their integrity is very important to them. So believe me, they're like, oh, he grew up a Yankee fan, so he's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Going to do this.

[Don La Greca]

Or he hates the Yankees. No, no, no. This. That box score is going to mention who the official score is that lives forever. And this poor guy, you know, is going to get beat up for this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it could affect him getting another, right?

[Don La Greca]

So I don't, I don't think anything, you know, I don't think it was a bias. I just think that he probably caught another look at it or felt like, you know what? Why change it if I don't have to? And then all of a sudden it's going to the eighth inning. It's like, I might have to do this. He might actually pitch this. No hitter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wouldn't you say? Let me do it now is kind of late. Like you're in the sixth inning. That's, that's, that's when you start talking no hitter. Like, six innings is definitely. You start. You start.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah. You're still, you know, nine outs away through six or plus, depending on where in the sixth inning it is. But I, I don't know, I just feel bad for him. But like you said that the home run is the one that really would bother me. I mean, come on, we have replay, have it in place. What are you guys doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's all right.

[Don La Greca]

1-800-919-3776. Allen, of course, is at Madison Square Garden tonight. Game two, Knicks, the Pistons. Isaiah Stewart out for the Pistons, so we're keeping an eye on that Lots to get to ENN at 6 as well. 1-800-919-3776. Always is the number to call you want to get the most for your money, right? That's why more Mazda buyers choose Ramsey Mazda lease a new 2025 Mazda CX50 all wheel drive, only 249amonth or buying at 0.9% APR financing for 36 months. Start shopping now at Ramsey Mazda.com, choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Call 833-853-2970 for details. Excludes tax, title and registration. 0 Security Deposit Vin SN 317165 MSRP32960Ends 43025 this episode is brought to you by State Farm. You might say all kinds of stuff when things go wrong, but these are the words you really need to remember. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. They've got options to fit your unique, unique insurance needs. Meaning you can talk to your agent to choose the coverage you need, have coverage options to protect the things you value most, file a claim right on the State Farm mobile app, and even reach a real person when you need to talk to someone. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Don't miss your chance to spring into deals at Lowe's right now. Get a free 60 volt Toro battery when you purchase a select 60 volt Toro electric mower. Plus buy three 19.3 ounce vegetable and herb Bonnie plants for just $10. It's time to give your yard a grow up. Lowe's we help you save valid through 423. Selection varies by location while supplies last. Discount taken at time of purchase. Actual plant size and selection varies by location. Excludes Alaska and Hawaii. Lowe's knows how to help pros save. That's why the new Mylo's Pro Rewards program lets you unlock exclusive member deals.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Subject to change thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don La Greca]

I didn't listen to Anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don La Greca]

Al, you remember our NFL binge at 4:30 where each of the cuts we played irritated me? Remember that? All three of them did. Well, I might have one that's going to irritate you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Don La Greca]

Are you familiar with the work of Nico Harrison?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Please don't.

[Don La Greca]

He is the general manager of Los Mavericks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's a full disclosure. I've known Nico for over a decade.

[Don La Greca]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I. What you're gonna do is put me in a really tough spot, but that's what we do here.

[Don La Greca]

I'm not saying I'm not running. All right, well, I'm not saying you find him irritating, and I'm not saying that you can't still be friends after this and sing Kumbaya. But listen, we're friends. I'm sure I've said irritating things before to you, right? Well, I think Nico's going to say something very irritating to Alan Hahn. Ready? This is Nico saying he didn't realize how much Doncic meant to the Mavericks fan base.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Didn't know that Luka was important to the fan base. I didn't quite know it to what level, but really the way we looked at it is if you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay, P.J. anthony, Davis and Lively. We feel that's a championship caliber team, and we would have been winning at a high level and that would have quieted some of the outrage. And so unfortunately, we weren't able to do that. So it just continued to go on and on. He's not entirely wrong about the second part.

[Don La Greca]

Right. And I will defend. I'm going to defend him on the first line, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Don La Greca]

I'm going to defend him on the first part.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The you're gonna defend first line.

[Don La Greca]

Here's. Here's why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here we go. Good luck. My feet are up.

[Don La Greca]

All right. If you remember Hard Knocks last summer when they did the Giant, you know, everything. And what did Joe Shane say? I don't read the papers. I don't listen to the sports radio stations. I believe a lot of these general managers are completely tone deaf to everything that's happening outside of the their world of trying to make their basketball team better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you want to be influenced by fans? Is that what you mean?

[Don La Greca]

Don't want to be or just don't care? Like, I just think it comes down to listen, I got a job to do. If I start listening to what the Fans say if I start listening to the journalists and the sports talk radio, I'm going to be influenced whether I want to or not. I mean, that happens. As a talk show host, I try, believe it or not, not to really take that much of a deep dive into other people's opinions. Cuz I'm afraid that might influence ultimately what my opinion is going to be. So as a good general manager, his job is not to do what's good for the fans. His job is to do what he thinks is best. So is it possible that he never fully realized the importance of him to the fan base because he never really paid attention to it? It might sound like a bad job out of him, but I think it's very believable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it possible? It is. I don't. Is it probable or believable? No, it's not.

[Don La Greca]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you just. Side note. So you're telling me that, you know, a head coach in New York shouldn't just go play golf with, you know, like some sports media people, just things over.

[Don La Greca]

And if you don't, if you want to. If you want to fail and be fired in the middle of the season, then I think that's the exact same thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I think I always put myself in that position, right? Like general manager. And it is like one of the things, like, if I ever could have gone that route, like, I would have loved to have been a general manager and run a team. Like, it's like something I always like, privately dream about, like what, what. What I would do. And I know one thing that I would make sure is I had the pulse of my fan base.

[Don La Greca]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to. I certainly don't want to be influenced or listen to a lot of that stuff because you understand that fans are emotional and they're going to talk about things in an emotional way where you have to have a business approach. As a general manager, you can't be a coach. You cannot be emotional. You have to look at it as these are pieces of the puzzle and the pieces have to fit. If that player doesn't fit the way you want to play or what you envision your team to look like, then I believe what he's saying, and I believe that he made this trade the second half of that quote, and I believe he made this trade watching the finals and saying to himself, we're not winning a championship with this guy as an obvious defensive liability that the Celtics exposed embarrassingly nationally on the biggest stage. And by the way, in game one, that's exactly what Minnesota did. You know, everybody wants to talk about the Laker loss and the way Minnesota played. And LeBron wasn't great. Their physicality wasn't great. Reaves was not good. Luka was on an island constantly, and they were picking on him constantly defensively because that's what everybody saw last year in the playoffs. So I think Nico saw this enough with all the other stuff that he sees and got to a point where it's like, I want to win a chip here. I got a new owner, and we need to do something big. And we're about to give this guy $345 million. That's his extension, and they weren't comfortable doing that. And he envisions a physical, tough, rugged, tough defensive team that he could build. And, you know, the issues with his plan is it's Anthony Davis, who's always, you know, a guy made a Kleenex, and Kyrie Irving, who. You never know what you're getting. He's been great there, but you still. His history tells you you just never know what you're going to get from week to week. With Kyrie Irving, there could be that moment where he just decides, I don't play. And so that's. The part that doesn't work, is he tried to build it with parts that aren't necessarily reliable. That's, you know, so. And then, of course, he needed that group of five that he named to be available and play so that they'll win some games, they'll play a different brand, and the fans could be upset about Luka, but fans love winning, too. But the problem was, is that AD got hurt, then Kyrie got hurt, and now you're being told, you got to wait to see it. While Luca and LeBron are having this, you know, renaissance in LA that has everybody thinking that they can go to the Finals. That's. That. That's why none of this looks good for Nico. And I really feel bad for him because I think, truly, in his mind, like you said, in his mind, he really believes this. But there were so many flaws in this plan because the foundation he built it on was incredibly shaky with those two players that you're going to rely on. So the easy thing to do would have been, like, just like Joe Shane, my owner told me that he would get sick if he sees Saquon Barkley on another team. Well, I want to keep my job. So if I keep Saquon and recommend, that's the best thing to do. The owner can't blame me if it ends up being A bad, bad contract. But the owner can blame me if I trade him and he plays somewhere else and wins a Super bowl year one. And that's what happened. So the same thing in the Luka thing, the easiest thing to do is just give Luka the money and keep trying to build a better team around him that you can win a championship with. And if the owner gets mad at the $345 million you gave to a guy that three years from now, you know, is seen smoking and out of shape and is kind of always having these chronic injuries, all you can do is shrug and go, oh, you know, I mean, the fans loved him. He's our face. How do you let him go? It's the easy thing to do. Nico did the hard thing to do.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, he went with his gut. And so far, oh my God, that's not worked well. ENN works. That's coming up next with Anthony Pusick right here on 880 ESPN and the ESPN. Well, I have a message first brought to you by our friends at Better Help. All right. Therapy is a big part of my life and it's a big investment, you know, but think about it. The state of your mind is as important as the state of your physical health. So let's talk about the numbers of this investment. Traditional in person therapy can cost anywhere from $100 to $250 per session, which adds a fast but with better help. Online therapy you can save on average up to 50% per session. With BetterHelp, you play a fat, you pay a flat fee, not play a fat fee, you pay a flat fee for weekly sessions, which saves you big on cost and time. Therapy should feel accessible, alright? Not like a luxury. And with online therapy, you get quality care at a price that makes sense and can help you with anything from anxiety to everyday stress, alright? Your mental health is worth it. And now it's within reach. It has benefited me so much throughout my life and again recently with many things I've been dealing with. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform having served over 5 million people globally. Your well being is worth it. Visit betterhelp.com Peter today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp.com Peter thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter.

[Don La Greca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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