Hour 3: Collapse Debate

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Collapse Debate

Release Date: May 7, 2025
Hosts: Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Description: This episode delves into the intense discussions surrounding significant team collapses in sports history, with a particular focus on the current Knicks vs. Celtics playoff series. Hosted by ESPN New York legends Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg, the trio brings their expertise and passionate debates to the forefront, enriched by listener interactions.

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1. Knicks vs. Celtics Playoff Series Analysis

Current Series Status (00:44 - 03:18)
The podcast kicks off with Don LaGreca updating listeners on the Knicks' quest to secure a two-zero series lead against the Celtics. The series is notable for each home team losing in the second round, a rarity that has everyone questioning future outcomes.

• Don LaGreca remarks, "That's got to be catastrophic. Got to be catastrophic." [02:16]

Odds and Predictions (01:20 - 04:09)
Peter Rosenberg and Alan Hahn dissect the shifting odds in response to recent game outcomes and injuries. The discussion highlights the Thunder's odds adjusting from +900 to +325 and Indiana becoming a favorite at -130.

• Peter Rosenberg notes, "I just feel like the pressure is immensely on Boston and you got them right where you kind of want to be." [04:09]

Key Strategies and Player Performance (04:09 - 07:32)
The hosts analyze the Knicks' performance issues, particularly their third-quarter struggles and reliance on clutch performances from key players like Brunson. They emphasize the importance of overcoming early deficits to maintain series momentum.

• Don LaGreca states, "I genuinely believe that this, this will be a game going to the fourth quarter." [04:09]
• Peter Rosenberg adds, "The hump is the third quarter and it has been for them." [04:59]

2. Historical Collapse Debates

Comparing Major Sports Collapses (10:37 - 24:09)
A heated debate unfolds as the hosts compare historic collapses across different sports. The Yankees' unprecedented three-to-one series collapse against the Red Sox is pitted against the Golden State Warriors' historic 73-win season followed by a championship loss.

• Alan Hahn passionately claims, "It's the greatest season ever played." [10:48]
• Don LaGreca counters, "If the Yankees had won that series, they were going to beat the Cardinals and win the championship." [29:39]

Yankees vs. Red Sox Rivalry (16:08 - 32:50)
The conversation shifts to the infamous Yankees-Red Sox rivalry, emphasizing the cultural and historical significance of their collapses. The hosts argue over the impact and recognition these events receive compared to other sports failures.

• Don LaGreca argues, "The Yankees always beat the Red Sox, Always. They beat them. And then it all came tumbling down in that moment." [31:07]
• Alan Hahn rebuts, "And by the way, it's not even just not only has Yankee Red Sox, not only does it have a hundred year story..." [32:22]

Greatest Collapses in Sports History (22:58 - 33:40)
The trio debates what should be considered the greatest collapse, weighing in on MLB's unique scenarios versus NBA and NHL instances. They explore the rarity and impact of such events in shaping team legacies.

• Don LaGreca emphasizes, "If you want to have the conversation, if the warriors had blown a three, nothing, seriously..." [30:50]
• Peter Rosenberg concludes, "It's, it's all about the facts. Lay them out for me." [22:45]

3. Caller Contributions and Interactive Discussions

Strategic Insights and Historical References (08:39 - 17:17)
Listeners call in with their perspectives on game strategies, historical parallels, and player performances. The hosts engage with these insights, enriching the debate with diverse viewpoints.

• Caller suggests, "They need to run Brunson off as many screens as it takes to get Horford on them." [08:39]
• Don LaGreca responds, "What do you think about that?" [09:28]

Comparisons Across Sports and Eras (34:22 - 40:01)
Further caller interactions bring up comparisons between different sports eras and the significance of team dynamics and player legacies in defining collapses.

• Caller states, "There is no way that's a comparison." [20:17]
• Alan Hahn counters, "How many times does a team blow a 3-1 lead in the NBA?" [23:35]

4. Concluding Thoughts and Final Debates

Final Remarks on Collapses (37:01 - 41:32)
In the closing segments, the hosts solidify their stances on the debates, reiterating their viewpoints on what constitutes the most significant sports collapses and the enduring legacies they leave behind.

• Don LaGreca asserts, "It's Yankees, Red Sox, man, that is the rival. And you had their foot. You had your foot on their throat for almost 100 years." [29:39]
• Alan Hahn emphasizes, "Pull it together, people." [39:39]

Audience Engagement and Mother's Day Wishes (43:03 - 45:47)
In the final minutes, the hosts extend Mother's Day greetings to listeners, intertwining personal anecdotes with last-minute game analyses, ensuring a warm and engaging conclusion to the episode.

• Caller shares, "I'm really proud of you. Look, tonight's game..." [43:43]
• Don LaGreca responds, "They're going to get, if they're going to get 45 open looks, they're going to hit more than they hit on Monday." [45:45]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Don LaGreca: "That sounds like heaven to me." [00:35]
• Peter Rosenberg: "I just feel like the pressure is immensely on Boston and you got them right where you kind of want to be." [04:09]
• Alan Hahn: "It's the greatest season ever played." [10:48]
• Don LaGreca: "If the Yankees had won that series, they were going to beat the Cardinals and win the championship." [29:39]
• Peter Rosenberg: "It's all about the facts. Lay them out for me." [22:45]
• Don LaGreca: "It's Yankees, Red Sox, man, that is the rival." [29:39]

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Conclusion:
In this episode, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg engage in a robust debate over what constitutes the most significant team collapses in sports history, with a keen focus on the current Knicks vs. Celtics playoff series. Through analytical insights and passionate exchanges, enriched by listener participation, the hosts provide a comprehensive exploration of sports dynamics, team psychology, and historical precedents. Whether you're a die-hard sports fan or new to the scene, this episode offers valuable perspectives and engaging discussions on the thrills and heartbreaks of competitive sports.

Transcript

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don LaGreca]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Don LaGreca]

500 One of the big city Don Han and Rosenberg with you until 7 o' clock. Mets playing right now on 880. So we're on 1050 till 6 and we'll hand it off to Pat O' Keefe who's going to have the extended pregame. Then we're going to be on the app. So download the app because we're going to be taking up until 7 o' clock on that as the Knicks embark on what they hope will be at the end of the night, a two nothing series lead. And as crazy as that is to believe, did anybody have on their bingo card that every single home team would lose in the second round so far?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. Cleveland. Cleveland's had reasons but they also had a 20.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But look at these. Look at the odds. The odds that changed overnight. The thunder were plus 900. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, like what are they now by the way? What's in here down at three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought, I thought the thunder went down to like 325.

[Don LaGreca]

Indiana's probably the favorite now, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that might have flipped. I'll check espn. Better.

[Alan Hahn]

Between the injuries and winning both on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The road, they had to have. Yeah being up to.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm going to be catch right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Celtics both were 9 hundreds and they dropped into the 3 hundreds after the first game. So they were heavy favorites. No one would have expected them to lose game one.

[Alan Hahn]

Well that's the thing. So it will what Jacob you'd be looking for. I'm going to go minus one. I'm going to go minus 130 now for Indiana, minus for the series because they have to. They took both games in Cleveland.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. They haven't even played at home yet.

[Alan Hahn]

And they're up to minus 190. I shorted them and Cleveland is now plus 160.

[Don LaGreca]

Probably more. The injuries than anything else.

[Alan Hahn]

That two game deficit though is. What's the stat on teams down two? Oh. After losing both at home. That is not a promising statistic.

[Don LaGreca]

That's got to be catastrophic. Got to be catastrophic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but Minnesota's now minus. You said 200. Yeah. The curry injury, he's going to be out of wheel.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm saying is that who had on their bingo card that right now in the second round road teams would be four for four. Crazy. So crazy things are happening.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

So why not the Knicks now like I said, I started the show with this quickly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I missed, but I know I said plus I. It was minus 900 for. For the Thunder and the Celtics. That's. That's my bad.

[Don LaGreca]

And so why not now it's going to take help from the Celtics like it took help in game one. They're missing all those threes and poor Zingus not playing in the second half. Poor Zingis is probable for this game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

So it's going to be tough, but we know the Knicks play tough. What's the spread? It was eight and a half in game one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's ten and a half.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, because what Vegas is telling you is it's not going to happen again.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, well, they, they don't.

[Don LaGreca]

I still, you know what? 10 and a half. I would still take the Knicks. I kind of would have. The Knicks, they have not been embarrassed at all in these playoffs. They've been in every game. And I think that they will stick in this game. I think, I think Boston's going to win because I think they're the better team and they will not repeat what they did because remember, the thing that really hurts the Knicks is that no poor Zingus in the second half. The Celtics were historically bad from three and it still took overtime to win the game. Okay, so it wasn't like the Knicks ran in a romp. But at the same time, the Knicks, you know, should not have been down 20 in that game. I mean, they did not play well. So I think they could play a lot better. I genuinely believe that this, this will be a game going to the fourth quarter. And then if it is, what happens?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, again, I'm signing up for it. I know earlier I said down to five minutes to go. I might even stretch that to like down five. Oh, no, you take that down five. Five minutes to go. I think I'd sign up for that because that's. You got to feel like the pressure is immensely on Boston and you got them right where you kind of want to be. Because you do have a closer and you have your own, like, confidence comes from demonstrated performance. And the Knicks have demonstrated that in clutch time. They are very good. And they've got the best player in the sport at that. So that's what you look. And they just did it in the last five minutes in overtime of game one. So I just feel like if they can just get there. To me, the hump is the third quarter and it has been for them.

[Don LaGreca]

It's been a problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, if I'm going to tell any. I know everybody's called up about starting the game and all that stuff. First quarter, expect the first knockout punch. Expect it. They are going to come out and they are going to want to absolutely wallop you.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got to live through it. It's the third quarter. To me that if you can. If you can get through it. And now you're in the fourth. Now you're. Now you're onto something. I'm not worried about the first quarter. They could be down 40 to 20 after the first quarter. I'm not worried about game one.

[Don LaGreca]

Prove that. Yeah, right. I mean, think of it this way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Down 16 at the half.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Even if you're down 20 going into the third quarter, again, it's not rarefied air. You were just there. Now you don't want to play with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No way. No, you don't.

[Don LaGreca]

But the point is, is that you have a reason to believe now the Boston Celtics are the defending champions and they played in the final not too long ago against Golden State. So they've got a lot of guys that got pelts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

But you're going to feel it. If all of a sudden you're in a game late in the fourth quarter, staring at the possibility of being down. Oh, two. I mean, you might feel it a little bit there.

[Alan Hahn]

There is a possibility that if it were to come down late tonight, the Knicks will feel great. We're playing with house money, by the way. Not only we're playing with house money, this is now what we do. Which. What a. This is why you love sports, by the way. Two weeks ago, there's not a team in sports I would have been less confident in. Down the stretch of the Knicks, they were just completely done. Every possession you go, they just don't have a chance. And then since Brunson hits that shot, they now feel like a different team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Also underrated feature of this New York Knicks team. Don't you guys both believe they are much better playing as the dog than the favorite against Detroit this is a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Much better place for them to be. Very good point.

[Alan Hahn]

They, they. They treated that whole Detroit series with like this feeling of like, we're supposed to be the guys. The Pistons are the hot upstart team. Can we hold them off? They're scrappy. No one wants to see them after Brunson hits the game winner to beat Detroit. Now the Knicks are that team. It's a complete role reversal that I really think suits this team well. And if it gets late, I'm telling you, I'm going to be watching with other Celtics fans. It's going to be tight.

[Don LaGreca]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

No one's going to. And I guarantee you, the Knicks feel loose going, oh, my God, we got a chance to steal the series right now.

[Don LaGreca]

And also because of the way the last game of the regular season ended going into overtime, and then the Game one, you can kind of forget about the first three games because you didn't have Mitchell Robinson, who was earlier in the season. I mean, the last two games, both gone to overtime.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The worst one was the opener opening night in October.

[Don LaGreca]

That was bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hung the banner and. And they hit 29 threes, which, you know, they were. What are they? What were they? They needed one more for the record.

[Don LaGreca]

And believe me, they were chucking it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They missed, like, the last 10 they couldn't get. But you were. You were run out of the gym. That's the one. You just want to say, throw that one out. You know, the second game, the next time they played him was February. They played him twice in February. And both those games, you know, they weren't really close. Although in the third one, they. Third quarter, they got to six, and then Tatum went nuts. And then the fourth game was the Porzingis game, where he went crazy in the third quarter, and you still got to overtime. I think I got it backwards. Whatever. It was Game two, that was the Tatum game. Game three was the Porzingis game. Charger fourth game was the one. Right? Exactly.

[Alan Hahn]

He's a Ram.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, listen. When you've done. And Don knows this, the amount of preparation you do, after a while, everything just starts to meld into one, and you just start losing. And I think I just had that.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a whole lot.

[Don LaGreca]

But it all doesn't matter. We're down to what's happened recently. Yeah, let's go to Lang in Connecticut. You're on esp.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, there he is.

[Caller]

That. Guys, I tell you, yesterday morning, waking.

[Don LaGreca]

Up, I can't think of a Nick, game after game one, where I said.

[Caller]

To myself, did we really win that game last night? And I'm hoping the same will be tomorrow. One thing I want to talk about, Alan, you mentioned it in the postgame.

[Don LaGreca]

Just briefly, I want to expand upon it and hoping.

[Alan Hahn]

Hoping you will.

[Caller]

They need to run Brunson off as many screens as it takes to get Horford on them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And.

[Don LaGreca]

And I hope.

[Caller]

I hope Brunson doesn't settle for the three. I mean, if he gives them space, sure, shoot it. But I think by getting around Horford, not only could you get him in foul trouble, but then you got to think there's a smaller defender on Cat. And I know Cat doesn't like lobs like Mitch, but I. I gotta think we can exploit either Horford matchup or whoever is guarding Cat on the switch.

[Don LaGreca]

What do you think about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The only thing I'll say there is, usually it's Drew Holiday, and Drew Holiday can just get him absolutely dislodged from the post, and Towns really struggles with that. So, you know, I. I don't. I don't quite know how that all works out, but we did notice late in the game that when Horford was switched on to Brunson, his feet, like, he could see he was almost exhausted. And Brunson could beat him just with his crossovers and get him off balance. So that is a. Something to watch again in game two.

[Don LaGreca]

Juan Soto home run. Mets up one. Nothing on the day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Shimmy, though. But did he shimmy, though?

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't say it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did he smile? Is he smiling?

[Don LaGreca]

I have no idea. We don't have it here. I'm watching on the computer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know how important it is. All this body language tells you everything.

[Don LaGreca]

Listen, did. Did he come out to. Congratulations.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Scoring position? Were there runners on base? Solo home runs. Oh, so. See, he doesn't come through when this guy's on base.

[Don LaGreca]

Did he come out to congratulate himself after he hit the home run? We found one, Peter. Chris, in New Jersey, we found one. Hey, Chris. Hey, guys. How's it going? So you agree with Allen on the warriors collapsing more than the Yankees?

[Caller]

100%, I think. I think the warriors, they were 73 and 9.

[Don LaGreca]

Like.

[Caller]

Like, that's just.

[Don LaGreca]

That's just right.

[Caller]

That's one of the best teams in NBA history.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the greatest season ever played.

[Alan Hahn]

And then. And then what? And then things happen, right?

[Don LaGreca]

Do you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Things happened?

[Alan Hahn]

Draymond Green. Draymond Green got suspended for one game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

One game.

[Alan Hahn]

And you ended up losing a series in which you were up 3:1 to the 1 of the greatest players who ever lived.

[Don LaGreca]

Chris, do you follow baseball?

[Caller]

I. I don't as much, but because I'm a basketball player. But like 73 and 9, like, they just needed to cap it off. And they're the best team in NBA history.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, one game.

[Caller]

And this.

[Don LaGreca]

They've. They've played baseball since 1869. No team in the history of baseball had ever blown a three. Nothing serious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

See, Chris, it's. It's church, it's religion. So it can't possibly compare to some petty sport like basketball. It was invented in Canada. It was invented in Canada.

[Alan Hahn]

Really.

[Don LaGreca]

It's never happened, so it doesn't matter. Now, listen, if you want to have the conversation, if the warriors had blown a three, nothing, seriously, because it's never happened in the NBA either, then I could say, you know what, maybe you have something there because it was three nothing. It had never happened in the history of basketball, and it was the finals. But it's 3:1. 3:1 happens, man. It just does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They had. They had two games at home, the one guy. And they lost both of them.

[Don LaGreca]

The one guy that supported you wasn't really sure that baseball was a thing.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. He did not. He did not have any context, honestly. He was like, no, not really.

[Don LaGreca]

Take your victories. All right, Josh and Westchester Johnny, espn New York.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, how's it going? Thanks for taking the call. I know it got brought up earlier from a caller talking about starting Mitch over Cat or playing Mitch at the beginning of quarters, so you don't have to worry about the whole hack image thing in the bonus. But my question is, because I don't think it's been talked about, is why not start both of them and have Josh sit?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's. Yeah, that's one option. But again, I just don't feel like the start of a game that. That matters as much as later in the game. Play those guys together. Right? Like, that's all I'm saying. And. And then you can use Hart in different ways when you're giving the other wings, you know, a rest because your bench isn't very good. And so you're going to need some, you know, bench production and somebody come up the bench so that other guys can rest. And those are ways to do it. You can have Towns play the four, slide over and have an obi, get a rest or whatever you want to do. Move him up to three and then have Hart get arrest. There's ways that you can do it without Having to be a dramatic lineup change at the very start, let's be honest. The starting five is essentially so they can announce five guys and everybody can cheer. They play the first six minutes and then after that, the rest of the game is a jumble of lineups. You rarely will see all five starters on the floor together other than the start of the half. And then if it's going the right way later in the game, depending on your matchup. So, Josh, I get it. I think we are going to see the big lineup a lot of times because of the defensive switchability and also the rebounding.

[Don LaGreca]

Joe and Yonkers, you're on espn, New York. Hey, what's going on, guys? Look, at the end of the day, you don't switch up anything. It's working because you keep it going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Don LaGreca]

And you right at the end of the day. And you got to go for the juggler today. You got to go Brunson, go all out and have everybody else. Do they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You need one guy. You know what it is, Joe? You kind of. I want to see who's the guy that just is going to have a hot hand tonight. One guy that you like, you just didn't expect. Like, this dude's on. Like he's on fire. He can't miss because, you know, they're all great players. So who's going to have it? Is it going to be Brown? Is it going to be Tatum? Is it going to be Porzingis? Is it going to be Brunson? Is it going to be Bridges? Is it going to be Towns? Who really didn't have an impact on game one? Like, which of the all star caliber players is going to have that? Like a game where this guy's just unconscious.

[Don LaGreca]

That's what you got to do. Yeah, that's why if Cat does that, then double double or something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Don LaGreca]

And then, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

And then second and then you come back here, you split it here. But then they've got to win all these games in a row. I don't see that happening. They're scared to go to the hole because they're hurt. No, they're not going to tell you they're hurt either, though, you know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, no, that's interesting.

[Don LaGreca]

I just think you take it one game at a time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have to. I like that Joe said, though. I mean, they go up 3:1. I mean, that's a. That's a big lead that you'd never see anybody blow that no. 3 one leads.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not like three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, those are big.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. But in baseball, day to day, it's a different pitch.

[Don LaGreca]

I lose my. You know what? Peter. And I just act like a child. Right, Right. Because I get mad and I snap.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

He's passive aggressive. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What?

[Alan Hahn]

And doesn't. And by the way, he's just as bad as you about not taking the.

[Don LaGreca]

L. Oh, I know.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, nobody just likes to keep. No, that's not fun. But sometimes you just move on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You go, when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I'm not wrong.

[Alan Hahn]

If we were to. But the only way to test this would really be to survey people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And sports outside of New York cannot be New Yorkers.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't. I wasn't a New Yorker when it happened.

[Don LaGreca]

Not in 04.

[Alan Hahn]

No. I mean, I was in New York briefly during that series, but Yankees, Red.

[Don LaGreca]

Sox, Warriors, Lakers, or excuse me, warriors have. Sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's more. More. Again, you know, in the NBA it's individuals. We don't do teams.

[Don LaGreca]

I know, but still, Steph Curry versus.

[Peter Rosenberg]

LeBron, that's a very personal thing.

[Don LaGreca]

Great. But it's not as personal as Yankees, Red Sox, brother, stop it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If we were on the West Coast, I promise you, nobody cares about Yankees, Red Sox on the West Coast. Promise in a Rice promise.

[Don LaGreca]

Vietnam, they were going. They blew a 3 nothing series lead.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know.

[Don LaGreca]

They didn't find out till two weeks later. But still, it had that kind of impact.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm a little confused by Alan. He's acting as if.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, the Red.

[Alan Hahn]

How about this? Don't the Red Sox and Yankees still get put on national TV five times a year? The rivalry is completely dead, basically because they're still hanging on to that moment.

[Don LaGreca]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it's baseball. They got to hang on to something.

[Alan Hahn]

But they. If that moment was so big.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The chase down block is one of the iconic plays in the history of the sport. They show it all the time. It's not a bad basket.

[Don LaGreca]

But the guy that supported you, Chris, right, Thinks baseball is when you smoke crack.

[Alan Hahn]

He's talking about base bass.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hello. Can you go?

[Don LaGreca]

I like it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, just so you guys know, in a few minutes here, we'll take a couple more calls, but I will be headed to down uptown to Madison Square Garden network.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you won't.

[Don LaGreca]

I will outside.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you're getting ready for game two tonight, like I will be between the Knicks and the Celtics. MSG networks. That's right. We have you covered. You know, somebody. Somebody sent me a message and they Said, you know, the Knick game ended and I was waiting for TNT's post game show. I wanted to see what they were gonna say. And he goes, and he says, he goes like this, he's like. And they didn't even talk about that. All they talked about was how the Celtics blew it. They didn't ca. There was no Nick coverage whatsoever. I go, my man, your first mistake.

[Don LaGreca]

Was you went there was he somebody outside of New York?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. I just, I just, I let him know. Your first mistake was you were waiting for that. You know, we have you covered. 30 minute pregame show starts at 6:30, right? We'll carry you right up to tip off. Then after you're done watching the game on the other network, you come back to MSG networks right after the game. You saw. We're in the studio, the seconds tick off the clock and the minute the game is over. No, I'm sorry, the second the game is over, we are on the air on MSG Networks. You hear all the player and coach interviews. You get the breakdown from Wally Zerbiak, myself, Bill Peto. Monica McNutt joins us. She's up in Boston. We got her on the court talking about what she saw as well. All of it. You get telestration from Wally Zerbiak breaking down plays, all of it. So that's why you tune into MSG network. So tonight, pre and post game shows on MSG networks before and after game two. The pregame for us on TV starts at 6:30.

[Don LaGreca]

Just out of morbid curiosity.

[Alan Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Morbid.

[Don LaGreca]

What will be on MSG during the game?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is funny because Bill, we made fun of him. Bill said as we were throwing to the game. Well, we don't throw to the game. But as we were ending the pregame show, Bill goes, stay tuned for Club 30 with special guest. I don't know who it was. And while I looked at me going, what are you doing? Like you think anybody's watching the video going, I wonder what's next on him?

[Alan Hahn]

And why even bother?

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're already changing the. You're not even done speaking and they're already changing the chat.

[Don LaGreca]

You should make it at least a little hard. Like have it be Lundqvist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A replay of game one. Well, how about a replay of game one or something? Or a replay of game six.

[Don LaGreca]

If you're on the club 30, at least have it like when Carmelo Anthony was on. At least making Nick fans struggle a little bit.

[Alan Hahn]

They won't.

[Don LaGreca]

It is the first quarter.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't even bother. Don't even. Coming up near the knicks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bernard King versus the Celtics in 84. See what he did. And if you don't like what's going on in game two, you come back to us, right? Watch the rest of that game.

[Don LaGreca]

That went well because the Yankees do the same thing. And it's like they're probably in some Yankee Yankeeography.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

And they got to pull the plug. And I'm just thinking some guys in there going happened to Ruth. Oh, another one, Peter. More people. Bill and Queen.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. No, he's not go. Hey, Bill, you want to be wrong, too?

[Don LaGreca]

Good.

[Caller]

Good.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm not wrong.

[Caller]

You. I couldn't agree with Alan Moore. You're talking about the Yankees, who were. It was not the World Series.

[Don LaGreca]

Golden State Warriors. It was NBA championship.

[Caller]

Nobody in California. The Dodgers fans could care less.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Telling you.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't understand.

[Caller]

Let me finish. Let me finish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let him finish.

[Caller]

There is. There is no way that's a comparison.

[Don LaGreca]

The Golden State warriors, if I'm understanding.

[Caller]

Alan correctly, it was three to one.

[Don LaGreca]

And they blew the NBA championships.

[Alan Hahn]

If you're understanding correctly. Wait a minute. You didn't live through it.

[Don LaGreca]

You didn't live through it. Yeah, I did.

[Caller]

I'm not a basketball fan, but I'm looking at it.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, perfect.

[Peter Rosenberg]

73.

[Don LaGreca]

Follow he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They won 73 games. They lost nine. Yeah, we lost the greatest season.

[Alan Hahn]

If I understand the correct history.

[Don LaGreca]

You couldn't be more right, Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you. Alan.

[Alan Hahn]

The support you've gotten has hurt you.

[Don LaGreca]

It.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait a minute.

[Don LaGreca]

Wait.

[Alan Hahn]

This guy doesn't know anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You killed the other guy because he didn't know baseball? Bill admits he's not really a basketball fan, but he went with facts.

[Don LaGreca]

He went with facts. If he's not a basket, he probably doesn't know anything about baseball. It never happened.

[Alan Hahn]

I remember.

[Don LaGreca]

Yankees, Red Sox. The greatest rivalry in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Again, I. You're right. Nationally.

[Alan Hahn]

You are wrong. I remember where I was when Draymond threw the mouth guard. I know where I was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay? That's.

[Alan Hahn]

I know where I was. The second game three. The 19 to 8 loss for the Red Sox. I watched that game at a bar in Murray Hill. I remember both things. They're. What's the word? Emblazoned. Is that right? No. In my brain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know about emblazone.

[Don LaGreca]

They're emblazoned. There's emblazoned. Take it back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Embroidered, maybe?

[Alan Hahn]

No. And I. I remember both so well and beyond a shadow of a doubt, the greatest collapse in the history of sports is the Yankees up 3 0. And after winning the third game by 11 runs. And then by the way, remember in game four, the Red Sox have to piece it together to come back and win that. They're putting it together piece by piece. A walk, a base hit, just could they get a run in. They put it together piece by piece and then go on to win the whole thing.

[Don LaGreca]

Bill lost me too. Dodger fans in LA couldn't care less. Everybody that followed baseball cared about something that never happened before. Ever. Never happened. Three one leads are blown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've traveled this world. I've traveled this.

[Alan Hahn]

Have you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And people don't care about Yankees.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that's what you're asking when you travel.

[Don LaGreca]

Wait, okay. They don't care.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We care.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what? If they don't care about Yankees, Red Sox, they certainly do not care about warriors caps.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that's the point. It's not that you're supposed to care. It's supposed you're going to look at something factually and you see it. It's a murder trial. It's Peter's friend, you know, his dad, Buddy.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's, it's, it's, it's all about the facts. Lay them out for me.

[Don LaGreca]

I just laid it out and there.

[Alan Hahn]

Have been and it is clearly the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Team that had the greatest season in the sports history and failed to win the championship is the greatest collapse ever.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, they choked, but it's the biggest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Choke in sports history.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, Don, Don. I mean, how many times? It was, it was often. How often does a really good favor team? I'm not, of course I'm not trying to downpour how really good the warriors are. Hold on, hear me out. How many times does a team blow a 31 lead in NBA? I mean, I mean it was almost never actually a week ago. A week ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait a minute.

[Alan Hahn]

What was the Clippers nuggets on a 3:1 series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I'm sorry. Which. Which one of them was the best team in the sport?

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, neither was the best team in the sport. You just said the team. The number one team.

[Don LaGreca]

But it was just blues all the time. Do you know who has the record for the most wins in Major League Baseball history? The Seattle Mariners. 116. Didn't even get to the World Series. The perfect season of New England Patriots lost in the Super Bowl. The best team was the Mariners that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Year up 3:1 in the world Series. No, they were not.

[Don LaGreca]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did they get to the World Series? No, they did not.

[Don LaGreca]

It is not apples To Apples.

[Alan Hahn]

It's the O and the one that loses you the argument.

[Don LaGreca]

That's it. Don't you paint upload?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's the level of championship, LeBron.

[Don LaGreca]

No, it's the level of championship. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dude, it's the fact that it's in the actual finals. Like the actual finals. I'm leaving. I'm out of here.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hang out with my other friends.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm throwing you out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can't throw me out. I'm walking out.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm walking here. We'll see if what Alan does.

[Alan Hahn]

Go hang with your other. Go hang with the other short.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm sure Wally be like, yo, Alan. Of course you're right, Alan.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, I think. I think I'm call Peto about starting a podcast. The Short Kings podcast. Me and PETA. Peto and Peter. The Short Kings. Oh, he's got to agree with us, of course.

[Don LaGreca]

Mountains. And he's just a little grass in the middle.

[Alan Hahn]

See?

[Don LaGreca]

Where was that?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know, but is that Friday? Tessa?

[Don LaGreca]

Really, King.

[Caller]

You need to not talk.

[Don LaGreca]

Alan. Like both of y' all was wowing yesterday.

[Caller]

And then you got the little one in the middle.

[Alan Hahn]

The little one in the middle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hang on.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want to. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don LaGreca]

It's not the appropriate music, but Eric Church is coming to the Barclays center on Saturday, September 20th. ESPN New York has your choice and chance to score tickets on the ESPN New York [e-mail] just find the contest tile and submit your entry Tickets go on sale this Friday, May 19th at 10am Head to EricChurch.com for more info. So Allen's gone. He's heading over to the Garden for their coverage of Nick Celtics. That of course is the big topic of the day. Metzar in the bottom of the seventh inning of a three nothing lead on the Diamondbacks trying to take the rubber match of this three game set. Juan Soto has a home run in this one for the mets. Also Jeff McNeil with a triple, an RBI triple. So the Mets again trying to take the rubber match of this three game series before they return home to take on the Cubs. Yankees are playing the Padres tonight, so you got that going for you. So lots of sports to sink your teeth into here on Don Hahn and Rosenberg. All right, let's get back to the busy phones and let's go to Jonathan. He's in la. Jonathan, you're on ESPN New York. What's up buddy?

[Caller]

Hi, guys. Well, guys, let me tell you guys something. I'm a Laker fan. I'm a Yankees fan, sure. And I'm an Atlanta Falcons fan. Ever since Michael Vick 2005. My team, that Super Bowl 51, it was one of the best days of my life, but yet one of the worst nights of my life all in one. And football is not a series obviously. It's just a Super bowl. And that's it. Now I'm asking you guys. I think I'm with you, Don. I think that Yankees blowing that 30 lead and not only that, it was against the Red Sox. We get that brought up by Red Sox fans every single time we get an argument, oh, you guys blew the 30 lead. And now imagine me having the Patriots fans telling me, oh, you guys blew the 28 or 3 lead. It's just Boston. I hate Boston in general and I'm sorry Peter, but I really hope your Celtics lose today because in general I just hate Boston, man.

[Don LaGreca]

And.

[Caller]

But what do you guys think.

[Don LaGreca]

Collapse would have been up there had we talked about collapses outside of New York. So we had kept it local to New York, but that lead 28 to 33 in the Super Bowl. I feel for you, Jonathan. I mean that you're, you're thinking this game is over, we're going to win the Super Bowl. You had never won super bowl before. You lost one time. You were there before. Go ahead.

[Caller]

Let me tell you something really quick. My, my father in law, he went to Rite Aid at the. At the end of the third quarter, he went to Rite Aid to go buy me two more bottles. When he was walking in already I saw Tom Brady coming back. I said, get those moed bottles out the way you turn them or whatever, man. I know it was worth, like I said, one of the best days of my life, but yet one of the worst nights.

[Don LaGreca]

Thank you, buddy. I understand what Alan's saying because it is the championship and they did win 73 games, the most ever by any NBA team. But it's Yankees, Red Sox, man, that is the rival. And you had their foot. You had your foot on their throat for almost 100 years. Own them and you gave them something to crow about. Yes. I will go as far as to say that blowing a three nothing series lead more than made up for the history 78 and all that. And then for them to just rattle off a bunch of championships.

[Alan Hahn]

It's four over the last 20 now. I was in the facilities and while in there handling some business, I decided to use chat GPT and do some research.

[Don LaGreca]

Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Because I wanted to make sure my memory wasn't failing me. Don, do you recall just to. Just to pre prove the point of how off base Allen is in terms of like. Because if he wants to make the greatest thing all about what round they were in, I would like to add details from the game to factor in what makes it so incredible.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know how much you recall of every moment of it. In the bottom of the ninth, the Red Sox were down. Yeah, they're down three zero. They're down in the bottom of the ninth. Dave Roberts pinch runs for Kevin Millar Steel second. That was the steal.

[Don LaGreca]

Second.

[Alan Hahn]

Then gets knocked in to tie the game. And then. Wait a second, Don. They don't win it there. Poppy wins it in the 12th.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

That was to get the first win from three.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, right.

[Alan Hahn]

And then they win another three over there was just so much that made.

[Don LaGreca]

It the ultimate and ultimately too is that they pulverize you in game seven. It's not even close to the point where there's like 5,000 people left in the building and they're all Red Sox fan.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

That became like mini Fenway Park. It was. Honestly, I'm not a Yankee fan, but I'm not gloating either. I feel for you because that's a tough one to get hung on. I understand you got 27 championships. You probably are able to sleep. Okay. But no, no, no, I get you know, the 73 wins, most in the history of the NBA. Whatever. Great. It was definitely a choke job and it definitely is something that's in the conversation. But to do something that had never been done and that was the thing. It never been done in baseball a handful of, I think four times now in hockey. And at that time it had only happened twice. And I think about this, it only happened twice in hockey to that point. Never in the NBA, never in Major League Baseball. It's Yankees, Red Sox now. How many people cared? Peter? I don't know. But not knowing like the one caller is like, oh, nobody, nobody cares. The Dodger fans didn't even pay attention. No, everybody paid attention to that. It was like a slow motion train wreck.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm shocked. I thought also with Allen being a Yankee fan the way he is, I.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I think that's why I think he's trying to kind of self medicate over it by using this like. Oh, it's not the, at least it's not the worst collapse in the history. But no, no, it is.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, maybe you're right.

[Don LaGreca]

I think, I think it's because he's a Yankee fan, you know, another reason.

[Alan Hahn]

Why he's so wrong. I'm not saying it wasn't a big meaningful time and moment. Sorry guys. Warriors, Cavaliers, it means nothing.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, he said Curry, LeBron.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, that's not how it works though. You don't just look at it as one on one. You look at it. You telling me where does Cleveland and Golden State rank in the all time.

[Don LaGreca]

Lore of rivalries or where does LeBron Curry rank? It's not, it's not Bird, George. It's not Bird magic. Right? I mean it's not to that level. I mean it was a thing for a while. It was kind of cool. Those, they met each other how many different times in the finals. I get it. But Allen said it's not about teams in basketball, it's about players. Okay, Curry, LeBron, for a time that was a thing. Yankees, Red Sox have been a thing for 100 years.

[Alan Hahn]

And by the way, and then it's not even just not only has Yankee Red Sox, not only does it have a hundred year story at that point. Don't forget the level of evil empire the Yankees are at at this point. You're talking about prime Jeter and a rod. Everything about them was so hateable from the outside. It's, it's, it's, it's a.

[Don LaGreca]

And it was a self inflicted wound as you said. It was, it was the Kick the suspension. It wasn't like that. Didn't have a. I know he was only suspended a game, but that. That opened the door for it. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, Allen's a great guy, and he's gonna do a great job tonight on pre and post, guaranteed. Yeah, he has to take the elements.

[Don LaGreca]

He's all wet on this one.

[Alan Hahn]

It happens to the best of us, though.

[Don LaGreca]

Blanderson, Hooper, you're on. Don Hahn and Rosenberg. Don, Peter.

[Caller]

Don Peter. Howe. So you two were talking before about the urban cowboy.

[Alan Hahn]

You got to ask it as a question, though, just real quick while we're working this out. It's got to go. Don, Peter. It's always a question, but go ahead.

[Don LaGreca]

Sorry, Don.

[Caller]

Don, Peter, you were talking before about the urban cowboy. Look, in the early 80s, I would frequent a bar on the Lower east side called the Hoedan. Nothing to do with cowboys. But the conversation got me thinking about mechanical bulls. The very first mechanical bull was to the right of cowboy at the Bertrand island amusement park, New Jersey in the 1930s. You could look it up. Next, Don, respectfully, I have to correct you.

[Don LaGreca]

You said something the other day that was wrong.

[Caller]

Don't remember what it was, but it was wrong. Next time, leave that stuff to Alan. He's way more sophisticated. Next. Don, still you. Would you say that basketball is a big deal to Italians in New York City? Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes.

[Caller]

Well, the last time an Italian American from New York won the US boxyball championship was 53 years ago. Guy by the name of Rocco Lasting. The Knicks are playing tonight. Frazier, West Havlicek. Throw all of them in a hat. It'd have to be a very big hat. All the best, fellas.

[Don LaGreca]

All right. That's not bad, by the way. We're chopping it.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, he's getting better. The thing is, here's the problem. His voice isn't just right. The details that he just included. Because yesterday when Richard did the whole West Havlicek. Frazier, throw him in a hat. It was. It was so apropos of nothing. It felt like at the time that Blanderson really does a great job making it happen. That's. That's very good stuff.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's go.

[Alan Hahn]

Is Windhorse going like Silver Fox on us?

[Don LaGreca]

He looks good.

[Alan Hahn]

Did he. Did he make a move, though? I feel like he made a move.

[Don LaGreca]

I think. I think he failed to put more into the hair or something. You're trying to say.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I'm saying maybe he made a decision like, I'm in a go. Silver Fox. It wasn't a Failure. It was a decision. It's kind of working for him, the Silver Fox thing.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's go to Danny and Clifton. You're on.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, hey, Danny.

[Don LaGreca]

Hi, Danny. Guys, what's up?

[Caller]

I'm glad to be back on. Allen is definitely dead wrong by a long shot.

[Don LaGreca]

You guys mentioned Draymond Green hand in what probably would have been the warriors winning that series. But that, that might have been the event that caused it to go the other way. And besides that, I mean, once LeBron left Cleveland again, where have they been before this year? Like they're hoping to make it back. And you know, obviously it might not happen with all the injuries.

[Caller]

Now secondly, you can't compare Yankees, Red.

[Don LaGreca]

Sox to any of that. That was unbelievable. Even Joe Torre said it after the series was over with class. This is what the game, this is the beauty of this game of baseball. And with all the years of experience.

[Caller]

He had, that was something that if.

[Don LaGreca]

Anyone watched it live, they were witnessing something truly historic. And the Boston Red Sox went and rattled off a few after. They've been relevant ever since. And why do they call, what do they call it? The Curse of the Bambino, which that lasts just the curse alone. Forget it. You're wrong. I love you, but you're wrong. Also fast old fogerties. I will call in the future with stories for Pete and Don and break it down for you because there are lots of stories that are definitely in the ether there. Yeah, I love you though, without question. Some of them for air and some of them not for air. I'm not going to accuse Allen of this because he is a big baseball guy, but I think the people that are supporting, I'm seeing a few on social media too, they're just not baseball people. To understand the significance, because I got a tweet.

[Alan Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Don LaGreca]

From S Bets who says Hahn is right on this side.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don LaGreca]

Just as the Red Sox 30 comeback was the only one of its existence, the 31 comeback from the Cavs is the only time that it's happened in the finals. Comparing one game away from five games to a ring. Again, that's what Alan's arguing because it's closer to a championship. But we have seen teams come back from 31 never happened in baseball ever. There's no reference point. So yeah, it never happened that late in the playoffs in the NBA. But for something never to happen in that at the time, you know, the hundred plus year history of Major League Baseball, plus It's Yankees, Red Sox plus, they won 19 to 8 in game in game three, it came out of nowhere. The Draymond Green is the reason. Well, you say, how did that happen? Well, it happened because Draymond Green got suspended for game five. And it opened the door for a very good Cavaliers team to kick it down. The Cavaliers team had won championships. It wasn't crazy to think that the Cavaliers, despite the fact that the Golden State warriors, won 73 games. Peter. It wasn't that crazy to think LeBron James and the Cavaliers could win the series. Maybe. Down 3:1. It was. But going into the series, this is Yankees, Red Sox. The Yankees always beat the Red Sox, Always. Without even having to try. They beat them. And then it all came tumbling down in that moment. So I don't care about 73. I don't care about how close it was to a championship. If the Yankees had won that series, they were going to beat the Cardinals and win the championship. All right? It isn't some, you know, bogus, you know, first, it's the league championship series to win your league and go on to take on the St. Louis Cardinals, who were swept by the Red Sox.

[Alan Hahn]

Pull it together, people.

[Don LaGreca]

Come on, show me something.

[Alan Hahn]

Do the right thing.

[Don LaGreca]

Do the right thing and sign. Do you remember who that was for, by the way?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I believe it was a man. That was Harper. No, it was Soto.

[Don LaGreca]

No, it was. That's why I'm asking.

[Alan Hahn]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Don LaGreca]

It was somebody that eventually did not sign in Philly.

[Alan Hahn]

Judge.

[Don LaGreca]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Do the right thing inside. And it wasn't Harper or Soto.

[Don LaGreca]

It was Harper signed there.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, God. We talked. It was a big deal.

[Don LaGreca]

It was a big deal. And he's still playing for the team that did sign him. Matter of fact, he's in the Bronx tonight.

[Alan Hahn]

He's a Padre. He's a Padre, but it's not Soto.

[Don LaGreca]

Manny Machado.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, it's Manny Pichado. Great drop of Don, too, saying. I may have said Pachado. We were confused. It was. It was the early days.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don LaGreca]

It's got to be pretty significant cultural, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, well, I mean, it's.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, it's a black planet.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. It's the. It takes a nation of millions and fear of a black planet are both. They're up there. I saw that. Public Enemy are up. Or. I don't know if it's just Chuck or Public Enemy. Nominated for the Songwriters hall of Fame.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Was there a reason you're playing it right now? They're just. No, just New York vibes. Chuck. Chuck loves the Knicks. It's a good fit. Never going to complain about.

[Don LaGreca]

Can't be wrong about that.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you can't.

[Don LaGreca]

Juan Soto looks like he hit another home run. Four nothing. Mets, top of the eighth inning, game time. Brought to you by Telemore Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There you go. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

Top of the eighth inning, Mets, four Diamondbacks, nothing. Rubber game of the three game series in Arizona. The Yankees, they'll be home against the San Diego Padres. Also a rubber game of that three game set. But all eyes on the Knicks tonight in Boston as they're up one nothing on the Celtics coverage. Getting it away in mere minutes right here on 1050. And then it'll be picked up by 880 once the Met coverage is done. And want to remind you that even though we're going to pat o' Keefe at the top of the hour, we're going to still be on the app until seven. So download that ESPN app.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait, so we're going to be uncut? No radio, just on the.

[Don LaGreca]

Just on the app from 6 to 7.

[Alan Hahn]

Can we say crazy things we wouldn't normally say?

[Don LaGreca]

You got to run that by.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't run things by, do you? You just do it.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, you just do. I don't think you want to set a precedent because then people have an appetite for it and then all of a sudden tomorrow we're back on 880 and now we're. Yeah, we got fire, boys.

[Alan Hahn]

We're not.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Caller]

I'm good. And both you guys, happy Mother's Day to your moms and to your wives who do the brunt of the work raising your families. Beautiful day. The biggest beat or turnaround. I'm going to date myself a little bit. Remember my father lost a gigantic bet 1964. Phil are ahead six and a half games with 10 to go. You remember what happened on.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh yeah, Gene Mock. Gene Mock happened.

[Caller]

They lost all 10 games, but they won, got in a tie in a playoffs and then went on to lose in the World Series. But there's a fewer teams in in that, that thing. Peter, just the gentleman's bet view and give give Natalie a big hug, you know, for Mother's Day. What a special day. First time. It's beautiful. Beautiful family. I'm really proud of you. Look, tonight's game, I did the chart. You know, it's what you do when you retire, you have time. And I did the shooting shot. What happened from about the six minute marker third period to the end of the game, the Knicks really tightened everything up and Boston understandably was pressured with the threes. They weren't going in and instead of going through the lane, which they probably will do tonight, go baseline, they move further back. You know how they measure it? What do they call them? Uncontested or difficult contested. It's just a distance measurement. And they wound up taking 25 footers from 27, 4 and that type of thing. And I, I think Missoula with, with his craziness, he's a kind of a goofy, funny guy. I find them and did a tremendous job. I think Tatum's going to drop his shoulder and go with the baseline and make a lot of those eight, 10 footers because he's a, he's turned into the third best player in the NBA. Not even arguable with me. What do you think?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, the thing Spike with the uncontested threes, if they're uncontested and you're a three point shooting team, you're gonna keep taking them, right, Peter? I mean you're not gonna drive the lane, you're not gonna fake it. If it's uncontested, you're gonna take it. And that's the problem with the Knicks is that if they had contested those threes, it was because of that that they shot so poorly. That's something you can hang your hat on and apply it to the game tonight. They're going to get, if they're going to get 45 open looks, they're going to hit more than they hit on Monday. Just the law of averages tell you that. So Peter, why would they get out of their game if it's uncontested and you're a three point shooting team? Heave them up.

[Alan Hahn]

That's exactly right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 88 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.