Hour 3: Concept of Bad

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary Episode: Hour 3: Concept of Bad
Release Date: July 22, 2025
Hosts: Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg
Title: Concept of Bad

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Introduction

In this thought-provoking episode titled "Concept of Bad," the hosts Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the ethical debate surrounding the separation of an individual's professional achievements from their personal misconduct. Throughout the episode, they engage with listener calls, share personal insights, and discuss various high-profile cases to explore the nuances of this complex topic.

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Main Discussion: Separating the Player from the Person

The core of the episode revolves around whether fans and institutions should separate an individual's professional accomplishments from their personal actions, especially when those actions are morally questionable or legally wrong.

• Don Hahn initiates the conversation by touching on the dilemma fans face when their favorite personalities falter in their personal lives:

  "[00:00] Don Hahn: Close your eyes, exhale, feel your body relax and let go of whatever you're carrying today."

• The discussion quickly shifts to high-profile examples such as O.J. Simpson and Bill Cosby, examining whether their contributions to their respective fields should be overshadowed by their personal misconduct:

  "[05:21] Jordan Rosenberg: It shouldn't. It absolutely shouldn't. It should have no bearing on that."

Listener Calls and Real-Life Examples

The hosts take multiple listener calls that provide real-life scenarios and opinions, further enriching the discussion.

1. Caller from Carmela, Tom's River shares views on separating personal faults from professional talents:

   "[07:00] Don Hahn: Lawrence Taylor seems like he's a bad guy. He's been accused of some bad things. He has a murder."

2. Ray from Montville brings up Bill Cosby's comedy, questioning the line between appreciating someone's work while rejecting their personal actions:

   "[11:46] Caller: Hey, guys. I've gotten the car before... Don, I think his music is really, really good."

3. Anthony from North Carolina discusses Morgan Wallen and the 1986 Mets, highlighting the complexity of honoring talents amidst controversies:

   "[15:02] Caller: Hey, what's going on, guys?... I think his music is really, really good."

Ethical Nuances and Institutional Responsibilities

The conversation delves into the responsibilities of institutions like the Hall of Fame in evaluating individuals beyond their professional achievements.

• Don Hahn emphasizes the subjective nature of these decisions and the impact on the institution's reputation:

  "[27:31] Jordan Rosenberg: You know, it's a fair question... Is a Hall of Fame for what they did in that sport."

• Jordan Rosenberg advocates for a clear separation, arguing that personal lives should not influence professional accolades:

  "[28:36] Jordan Rosenberg: See, for the most part, I think that it should be completely separated."

Comparative Analysis with Other Sports Figures

The hosts compare cases in different sports to illustrate the varying degrees of public and institutional responses.

• Discussions around Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens highlight how perceptions evolve over time:

  "[33:05] Jordan Rosenberg: All I know is Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, these are some of the greatest players I've ever seen perform on a field in my Life."

• Don Hahn reflects on changing societal attitudes towards issues like drug addiction and performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs):

  "[31:00] Don Hahn: I saw Barry Bonds assuming pre pds... But just doing out of sheer punishment."

Team Dynamics and Accountability

Shifting focus slightly, the hosts discuss team performance issues, specifically within the New York Yankees, and the role of management in addressing player performance and accountability.

• Don Hahn criticizes the managerial approach of Aaron Boone in handling player performance:

  "[36:35] Don Hahn: ... we do hand out manager of the year awards when a team overachieves... if the team's underachieving, then I think I'm allowed to say I don't think the manager's doing as good a job."

• Jordan Rosenberg advocates for honest and constructive criticism rather than passing blame:

  "[37:55] Jordan Rosenberg: How is that. How does that benefit Anthony Volpe?"

Personal Reflections and Future Prospects

Towards the end of the episode, Don Hahn shares personal anecdotes about his broadcasting career and aspirations, adding a personal touch to the broader discussions.

• Don Hahn reflects on missed opportunities in his broadcasting career and his passion for sports:

  "[43:33] Don Hahn: Of course. But unfortunately by taking this job, I've guaranteed myself never doing that because oh, because it's on national television."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Don Hahn on the complexity of separating personal misconduct from professional achievements:

  "[07:00] Don Hahn: Lawrence Taylor seems like he's a bad guy. He's been accused of some bad things. He has a murder."

• Jordan Rosenberg advocating for separation of personal life from professional accolades:

  "[28:36] Jordan Rosenberg: See, for the most part, I think that it should be completely separated."

• Don Hahn on institutional responsibilities and subjective judgments:

  "[29:36] Don Hahn: But if you're a business and let's say they're protesting outside the hall of Fame stand for business, that then maybe you're forced to say, all right, listen..."

• Jordan Rosenberg emphasizing the integrity of professional accomplishments regardless of personal flaws:

  "[34:22] Jordan Rosenberg: And it's completely separate from, like, what you do in your personal life. Your personal life has. Should have nothing to do with your professional accomplishments."

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Conclusion

In "Concept of Bad," Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg engage in a nuanced exploration of the ethical considerations involved in separating an individual's professional success from their personal misdeeds. Through listener interactions and in-depth discussions, the episode underscores the complexity of such judgments and the evolving nature of societal standards. The conversation encourages listeners to reflect on their own views regarding accountability, redemption, and the recognition of talent amidst controversy.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

Close your eyes, exhale, feel your body relax and let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts. Oh my gosh, they're so fast. And breathe. Oh sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh sorry. Namaste. Visit 1-800-contacts.com today to save on your first order. 1-800-contacts. This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. That sounds like heaven to me. Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. Game time is brought to you by Tullimore Dew Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, Jordan, it's Tully time, early time. The Mets host the Angels with coverage immediately following us right here on 880 at 6:30. And the Yankees visit the Blue Jays 707. Tell them or do the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore do or try the new Tullamore Dew honey during today's action. Glasses up to enjoying Tullamore due responsibly when he holds it. It's now time for the Yankees and Mets recap driven by Ramsey Mazda. So the Mets, they, they come back from four nothing down and five two down to be the Angels. So there's still a half game back of Philly who won in 10 innings over the Red Sox and the Yankees. They lose 4 1. They're four back of the blue Jays now Anthony Volpe has been dropped to ninth in the batting order so we're starting to see some accountability. Might be too strong a word but at least hey, we're we're juggling things around here because outside of that two home running game that he had the other day, it's been a struggle offensively and defensively for Volpe and he does it just really feels anything now listen, I think it probably affects the pride maybe a little bit or what, I don't know. But at least adjusting your Vivas who's.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Batting.173 is getting pumped up in the lineup after he made probably a more egregious play than Anthony Volpe's ever made in his life.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not saying it's going to be held.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I just don't understand it. If this is his way of boon, he thinks of like making a big statement. It seems minuscule.

[Don Hahn]

Things are Happening for sure with the Yankees. And you don't want to lose this series. You got the Phillies coming in this weekend and then you got to go play the Rays. So the Yankees four back and only two up in the wild card too. I still think they're making the playoffs, but we'll have to wait and see. I didn't expect it to be as bad as it's been for this team for. For quite a while here. The Yankees, the Mets. Recap. Driven by Ramsey Mazda. It's the experience of driving a new Mazda and buying a new Mazda from Ramsey Mazda. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Let's get back to the busy phones. We've had a fun show here with Jordan today. He'll be back again Thursday and Friday. Pat o' Keefe will be in tomorrow as Alan is on vacation.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Be able to talk a bunch of Giants training camp.

[Don Hahn]

Open training camp. That's why Jordan can't do tomorrow. Jets. Mike Westoff's in town next week. He reached out to me, so hopefully we're going to try to get him on one of the shows as he's going to be speaking to the Jets. So always fun to have him back in the fold. He's a fun guy to talk to.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I saw the jets redid their locker room this morning.

[Don Hahn]

You see that? No. Dan Grassa told me. He said he was blown away.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Yeah, it looks, it looks insane. Looks ridiculous.

[Don Hahn]

You know, they opened that facility in 08. So that's not old. Old, but facility is very nice. They have a gorgeous facility.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Gorgeous.

[Don Hahn]

It goes back a long way. Many coaches ago. Back in 08. You're talking about Eric Mangini and Brett Favre.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

So it feels like a long, long time ago, but their facility still looks.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Like it holds up well.

[Don Hahn]

Very, very, very nice. Carmela is in Tom's River. You're on ESPN New York. What's going on? Hey, fellas. Donnypox.

[Caller]

I have been a devil's fan since 1983.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller]

Just want to get that out right away.

[Don Hahn]

All right. Are you happy or sad that I'll be calling your games moving forward?

[Caller]

Well, I called you before when you.

[Don Hahn]

When I heard that you were calling them and I am ecstatic. Okay. I cannot wait. Awesome. Thank you. I can't wait.

[Caller]

Cannot wait.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

But I wanted to back you up.

[Caller]

On before when about, for example, like Daughtry. My sister in law used to love Daughtry. But then he, you know, he changed his style of music and then he painted his fingernails. So all of a sudden she doesn't like him anymore.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. You know, I.

[Caller]

And for me, I love his music. I love him.

[Don Hahn]

But what he did with his tattoos and his blackout of the arms, I can't stand.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

But I will still listen to his music.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I mean, isn't that why you're a fan of anything is based on what they do for you? Like, Lawrence Taylor helped my favorite football team win Super Bowls. So I. I like him. You like Daughtry because you like the music he produces. Does that now mean that because I like the comedy, I like the athlete, I like the music, then I fully endorse everything the person does.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

It shouldn't. It absolutely shouldn't. It should have no bearing on that. Just because you like.

[Don Hahn]

So every Republican should hate Bruce Springsteen.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

No, I agree. I. I'm with you. It shouldn't. There's some things, though, that you can't talk about certain people, right?

[Don Hahn]

You.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

You can't. You.

[Don Hahn]

You.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

What would you say if someone in. I don't know, but you would say. But a lot of people, like, if you say you're a fan of. Big OJ Simpson fan these days. I love OJ Simpson as a player. Still my favorite player. I think the first thing you hear from people is some kind of sharp retort or comment or joke that O.J.

[Don Hahn]

Is a tough one, you know, because. Lt didn't kill anybody. There are degrees of bad. But I'm not.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

But you're. We're talking about the concept of separating player from person, right? You were just talking about what they did in an entertainment basis. It was a different era. Everything that happened was what, decades later, you're saying, I enjoy. You could saying, I enjoyed O.J. simpson watching him as a player. It comes with a stigma.

[Don Hahn]

It does come with a stigma, for sure. But you know what? You can't tell the history of the Buffalo Bills without mentioning what he did on the football field. You know, so. But you're right. There is. There is a bridge too far. I guess something. Again, I'm not. I'm saying I enjoy Bill Cosby's comedy. Doesn't mean, you know, I'm going to have pictures of him on his wall and like, like, there's a. Wearing a jersey with a name on the back. Like, would I wear a Lawrence Taylor jersey? No. Again, he autographed the jersey that I had and I put it up on the wall. Haven't worn it since.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

A lot of people would, you know.

[Don Hahn]

A lot of people.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

There's a lot of people that would wear a lot of people that do.

[Don Hahn]

Lawrence Taylor seems like he's a bad guy. He's been accused of some bad things. He has a murder.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Separate people can separate.

[Don Hahn]

It's tough to separate murder. Like, I get that from a jersey wearing the jersey.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

A lot of people would say the same about the Bill Picasso stuff, because.

[Don Hahn]

I do think.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

It'S reprehensible what he's accused of doing and what, and I.

[Don Hahn]

Think, but, but wearing a jersey of OJ Simpson would be the equivalent of me at my desk at work having a picture of Bill Cosby.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Agreed.

[Don Hahn]

You know, but sitting there and maybe looking at old video of him at Shea Stadium breaking the record for rushing in a year is probably the same as maybe listening to watching an episode of the Cosby Show. It's like you, there's, there is a little bit of a separation there. But like, I, I, it would be difficult for me to see somebody wearing an OJ Simpson jersey and not feeling like that person was making some sort of a statement or being ironic.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Well, you know, the second you pick that up and you go to put that on, you know what you're, you, there's no.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

What the possibilities are when. Second you put that on. Right. Somebody's going to say something to you. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Lt's not at that level.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

No. But I'm not saying he is. We're just talking about.

[Don Hahn]

But you're right.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

We're just talking about whether you could completely separate the. There are bridges and the player.

[Don Hahn]

There are bridges too far. And as much as I enjoyed Bill Cosby's comedy, I would not, you know, put a picture of a poster of him up on the wall.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Don't wear a Bill Cosby T shirt or something.

[Don Hahn]

Right. That would be, yeah, that would be just be, that would be just be.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

A poor taste, which is kind of like what I was saying. You can't, like, you could be a fan of Bill Cosby's comedy, but I wouldn't bring it up at the dinner table with, with randoms.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

It's not going to be received properly. They might, they might think you're a sicko in some way. What's wrong with this guy?

[Don Hahn]

Bobby and Woodbridge, you're on ESPN New York. What's up, Bobby?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. I've gotten the car before. I heard you talking about urinals and peeing on the floor. So I've worked in, worked in schools a really long time, and there was a new bathroom built, and the vice principals were both females and they're, they got a complaint from the custodian that there's puddles in the new bathroom. So I went in the check and you know, underneath the urinal there's a puddle. And then I started laughing like, you know, females don't know what it's like to be a buy urinal. Then I go out to dinner on a weekend to like a five star restaurant. I walk in, there's a puddle under the urinal. So I take a picture of it, I text it to the vice principals, and I say it happens everywhere. Like, you know, it's not just the kids. It happens in fancy restaurants too.

[Don Hahn]

My wife told me something that was, was in the, the bathroom at her stall at her work. It was a sign. And I'm sure this wasn't unique to her work because I think it's a saying that many people know. If you sprinkle when you tinkle, be a sweetie, wipe the cd. Okay, So I do think it crosses sex is there. But let's face it, men are animal. Men are absolute pain.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

But let's be fair, Don. The five star restaurant's got to make sure that they have someone cleaning that up. But you can't be going into a five star restaurant bathroom.

[Don Hahn]

Well, usually a five star restaurant's going to have an attendant in the bathroom, right? Usually.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

But I mean, I'm saying somebody's got to be cleaning that up. The second there's. You can't have a significant puddle at a five. I mean, that's, that's, that's poor reflection on the business side.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Because listen, you're not gonna have a significant problem.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

This isn't his high school, his high school kids, hey, you understand that some of them are probably peeing on the floor on purpose.

[Don Hahn]

On purpose. But listen, if there's a puddle on the urinal, it means that it's accumulation of probably several days of. Not if there's a puddle after like a half hour, then somebody was just a jerk and just missed the urinal. Like that puddles, an accumulation of like several people going. And not maybe it's finishing their business.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Maybe it's a little leak from the bottom of the urinal. Though that is a possibility. You know, water actual leaking out because, you know, the pipe is at the bottom there. But still, even if that's the case at a five star restaurant, I expect that to clean that up.

[Don Hahn]

God, you know, God is amazing, but he can he come up with a better way that we could dispose of waste and just think about it. God. And it's all, I think whenever I see a Period piece. Like, if I see something from, like back in the 1700s, I start. My mind starts going, like, how. How did. How did they handle this stuff? Right? They weren't flushing toilets. They. There was no maintenance.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

They just went to the bathroom outside.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it just. God, just the stench in some of those.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Found a tree.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, just there. It's only good. A lot of. A lot of weird growth around, for sure. Let's go to Ray. He's in Montville. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Ray?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. How you doing? First, I just want to say the Cosby's Noah's Ark bit is one of my favorite bits of.

[Don Hahn]

It is a classic. I don't know if Jordan is familiar with it. He just reenacts like, what I was going through. It is.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I am familiar with it. It is comedy. I just don't want to really admit that too much out loud.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you just did, but go ahead. Right? Hundreds of thousands of people in terms.

[Caller]

Of separating performance from a bad guy. Yeah, we got the perfect example right here. Don, you do an excellent job on the radio. Gonna do an excellent job for the Devils. And yet when Mr. Ronan texts you to congratulate you, you can't even get the name right.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we straighten this out on the air. I don't know why, John, I. But that was a bad job. You know, I think. I think I would have rather just not heard from me than give the wrong name, but I don't know if it was spelled check.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Made me chuckle. I will say that for sure.

[Don Hahn]

He knows how I feel about.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Do you think maybe you were just going through so many of them? There was John before or something.

[Don Hahn]

I really don't know. No, I remember. Here's the thing. You may believe this or not. Thanks, Ray, for the phone call. I. I remember going, oh, that's nice that, you know, Jordan reached out to me and I consciously wanted to say thank you, Jordan. So I'm thinking maybe it might have spell checked, but Jordan's pretty common, so it might. Listen, I just screwed up, Jordan.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

John's a big spell check. I don't know. I don't know. How do you get there?

[Don Hahn]

Well, you get Jo and maybe I got letters. No, but I'm saying is, did I go? Like this was during the show. No mistake. So at least when I got back to you was during the show, so did I go.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I know I texted you during the show. In retrospect, I would have done it differently. I didn't know that he had just Come out. I had just gotten in the car. I had just played.

[Don Hahn]

That was nice.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I thought it was probably out for, like, you know, five hours from the morning. And then I realized I had just gotten in the car. As I sent the text, after I sent text, I realized you just started talking about here. I'm like, oh, in retrospect, if I knew that, I wouldn't have sent it right away because I know you're getting at that point, text after text after text.

[Don Hahn]

So I just don't know whether because I was on the air, did I type j O? And then we came back from break, and then I hit send thinking, I. I don't know. Or maybe I just always thought your name was John. I don't know.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

It's funny.

[Don Hahn]

Nonetheless, I've never called you John.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

There is a John, Ron, and I'm actually. I have a brother, John Ronan.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. And I'm also one of the few people very often.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

But he's John.

[Don Hahn]

What does he go by?

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Jonathan.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, really interesting. A little pompous, but that's all right.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

He's your brother Dr. Highfalutin Doctor.

[Don Hahn]

I'm surprised you don't. I think it's called Dr. Like, Thanksgiving.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Friends call him John. It's one of the doctor.

[Don Hahn]

Can you pass the potatoes?

[Jordan Rosenberg]

My mom would never call him, like, maestro.

[Don Hahn]

And Seinfeld. He has to be called.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Has to be called Maestro.

[Don Hahn]

I.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Doctor. Doctor.

[Don Hahn]

I am one of the few people that actually pronounce your last name right.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Yes. You're good. You do a good job on that.

[Don Hahn]

So thank you. So that.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

That Dave, meanwhile, was all over the place the other day.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. He's not sure.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But I even asked you, and I was very happy to hear that I was right.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Anthony. He's in North Carolina. You're on ESPN New York.

[Caller]

Hey, what's going on, guys?

[Don Hahn]

Everything.

[Caller]

Good job, Jordan. Good job today, man. Really appreciate it. Make sure you get I get that name right. I have the perfect example of somebody in music right now. One of my favorite country music artists, Morgan Wallen, he was a guy that got in trouble for using racial terms. I mean, here's the thing. I would, you know, I love the music. I would never wear a T shirt of his. I would never do anything that would support, you know, him as an artist just because I don't believe in what he does. But I think his music is really, really good. And the other thing, Don, I think another great example would be the 86 Met. Do you think that everything that the 86 Mets did was right because you rooted for them. No, there were plenty of guys that you probably looked at, especially during that time, and said to yourself, man, I'm not supporting what these guys are doing. But at the same time, when it came to game day, you were cheering for those guys and you were hoping that the team won.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Everybody wants their idols to be perfect. Everybody wants nothing but angels on their favorite team. But let's face it, you show me a championship team that doesn't have a few players on it that. Oh, Don, I have questionable character.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I have a buddy who worked for an NFL team that has had a lot of success. He used to always tell me, every team needs blank bags. You know, like, they just do. Like, you can't. You can't have a team of all choir boys. You're not gonna win. And they. You have to. You have to. You're gonna have to have that.

[Don Hahn]

They're not criminals. Maybe they're not the. Maybe there are some punks or guys that are. Yeah, a little bit.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Guys that aren't great guys.

[Don Hahn]

But your.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Your job as a team is to basically have them conform to, you know, your culture and keep them in line. But that doesn't mean overall they're great human beings. Like, but it just gets impossible, he used to tell me, to build a team of all great human beings.

[Don Hahn]

No, there's a questionable character, and you hope that that doesn't corrode the room, and you hope you're going to be able to handle it. But, you know, it's. It's hard, you know, especially in football when you got a roster of 53. You think they're all choir boys. No, but you got to try to juggle it and to sit there and just hope. Yeah. The 86 Mets had some pretty questionable characters. You saw what happened.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Patriots winning with murderer on their team.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. And did they know it at the time? I'm sure they knew that he had questionable character. They thought they could handle it until they couldn't. You know, human beings are flawed, and not everybody's going to be perfect, and there's different levels of bad, and you just hope you can kind of find a way to contain it all. Alex in Limbrook. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Alex?

[Caller]

Oh, hi, Donnie. How you doing?

[Don Hahn]

Good, man. What's happening?

[Caller]

All right, three quick things. I'm an Islander fan, but three quick things make you feel better than the Giants fiasco. I'm gonna start watching devil games because you're calling the games 2. I honestly think the ratings are gonna go up because you're calling the games. Hello?

[Don Hahn]

Yes. Yeah, thank you very much.

[Caller]

Plus I have a couple of friends who don't watch hockey, don't know anybody hockey, but they love you. When I told them you were going to be calling devil games, they're like, oh my God. Tell, tell it as soon as the game start. And they're gonna start watching devil games because of you. And I'm thinking of getting a hockey puck with the devil symbol on it and putting next to my, my Rangers puck.

[Don Hahn]

So I'm proud of you.

[Caller]

I wish you the best and I'll talk to you soon.

[Don Hahn]

Well, thank you. I really appreciate that. Transforming Ranger fans and Islander fans and non hockey fans to watch, I mean, I guess, yeah, that's the hope that there's going to be good ratings and it's going to work.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

If you can up the ratings just on your presence alone, that certainly will help you. Well, you know, but I still got to do it. Next negotiation, we'll see. You better be using that.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know how much it'll move the needle. My, my biggest thing is just to do a good job and make the Devil fans happy. But if I'm able to bring a bunch of other people on board, great. I mean, that makes me proud. The one thing that I love is when somebody says, you know, I was never a hockey guy, but you talk about it so passionately and you do a good job on the games that you kind of got me into it. I think that's cool, man. I love that.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I think that's part of the point when you have a bigger platform that the things that you say mean, you know, that they resonate with people and it does matter. And you, and just, just because you, you know, it's your interest, it intrigues them to the point where then maybe they start looking into it. I think that's a big part of it.

[Don Hahn]

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[Jordan Rosenberg]

It.

[Don Hahn]

And I know you and you're really good at what you do, but it's coming across like you just. You've mailed it in. The 51 loss to. What is it, Miami Real FC United has crippled you emotionally? Well, no. I mean, it wasn't pretty to look at, but see, he didn't say no, Jordan. He's still crippled from it. It was like five days ago. Longer. What was it? When did it happen? Saturday. So it was three days ago. I mean, they're in ninth place. If the season ended today, they've been the walk. There isn't a denial in this at all, Jordan. I nailed it.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

No. Yeah. He's just admitting it. Admitting guilt.

[Don Hahn]

Imagine a 51 loss being the worst loss in franchise history. Can you imagine it? Well, they've been around since 96.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

It's hard to score inside.

[Don Hahn]

It is hard to.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

It's hard to score. Goals are hard to come by.

[Don Hahn]

I honestly love Harvey's. He. He would tweet my. My podcast. He is. He is salt of the earth. But you know, he is. He's mailed in today. Makes me sick.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I think you're getting called out, Harvey.

[Don Hahn]

You got it.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I think you got an hour to redeem yourself.

[Don Hahn]

See, I was going to say, I mean, there's still time to redeem myself. There's not a lot of time.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

You better bring out the big guns.

[Don Hahn]

This is big. This is.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

You got like, what, two more songs?

[Don Hahn]

He's got two. He's got probably two more at bats here. We got to. You got to nail these.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

You better come up with, like, Don's three favorite songs of all time.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, not for nothing, but heaven forbid, I pick out some songs that people have heard of to bring in a new audience of people. Is that what you're trying to do? I mean, is there is. There is an unreleased demo from, like, the 70s you want to throw in there that's on cassette somewhere back in Brownshear Studio. Do you want to. You want to dig a dust off? Are you saying that.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Give me a.

[Don Hahn]

Give me a little goodbye to romance, all right? Give me a little suicide solution. How about a little crazy Train something off the pollution of us. The album that I pointed out. And where's Jacob during all this? He's the producer. He's like the foreman of this. You're allowing this to happen. Hey, you know, I'm usually the one djing and throwing on the songs. You know, I'm living Anthony's life back here, so I'm half listening to the show, man. You're half listening to a show you're producing. How about that, Jordan? You know what? You should take offense to this because this doesn't happen when.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

When everybody's on vacation, including the people.

[Don Hahn]

That are here, including the two empty bodies on the other side of the glass. Now, Jacob's got a chance to redeem himself during enn, but Harvey's got maybe three at bats maybe to make this work. Otherwise it might get cut. When are you in again? Thursday. We'll see.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Oh, that's it. That's the big man putting pressure on.

[Don Hahn]

I would. I. You. You might have some spare time on Thursday. We'll have to wait and see how that goes. 1, 800 mile round three, seven seven C six. All right, who are we going to here? Let's go to Jay. He's in Newark. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Jay?

[Caller]

What's up, guys? So, great conversation on kind of separating the man and his achievements and ostracizing folks for obvious reasons, like O.J. i just had a question for you guys. So I. I hate Kurt Schilling. I hate what he stands for. I hated his politics. But as a baseball fan, I believe him and a bunch of other People deserve to be in the hall of Fame. Do you guys think that there are acts that are so bad that people shouldn't get what they rightfully deserve as professionals? They should be ostracized from, say, a Hall of Fame or lose their Heismans or, you know, anything that they have earned just because of what they've done outside of their arena of sport? Or do you think that should stand and they should get what they've earned?

[Jordan Rosenberg]

You know, it's fair question.

[Don Hahn]

It's such a great question, Jay. I mean, obviously there are some things that I don't think you can get up from, and murdering two people, I would think would be on that list. But I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, Jay, too, because nothing's as straightforward, like with this Curt Schilling stuff. And again, I can't defend some of the things that he says, but a lot of it comes from a place of. He's very political. And I don't think that should be enough to cancel somebody because they have different beliefs than you do. But if something is done that's so heinous, so criminal, and I mean an act, too. I mean, I know some things that you say you can't get up from, but actions like murdering somebody, raping somebody, just being a habitual bad person should be different than somebody who has a different political belief or might have made a mistake or, you know, trying to get up from misgivings when they were younger. It's really, I guess, in the eye of the beholder. Jordan. I guess I have to take it as it comes. I don't know if there's a straight line of demarcation. I think you have to look at each individual situation and. And judge it from there.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

See, for the most part, I think that it should be completely separated. Like, and I get your point, like, from a public relations standpoint, if you're baseball, I mean, football, like, if Aaron Hernandez, let's say, was a Hall of Fame player, you don't want to put him in the hall of Fame. But for the most part, it's not a Hall, a Hall of Good People, it's a Hall of Fame for what they did in that sport.

[Don Hahn]

But is the.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

And it's completely separate from, like, what you do in your personal life. Your personal life has. Should have nothing to do with your professional accomplishments.

[Don Hahn]

True, but at the same time, hall of Fame. But at the same time, it's a business, right? Like the hall of Fame is a business. They charge you to go in and can somebody have done something, a form. A former, a current hall of Famer, did something either in his past or present, that where it makes you look bad for having them in there? So, yes, O.J. simpson is a deserved hall of Famer. He was an amazing running. I don't think that's a good question. I don't think they did. Should you remove the bust? Should you pretend it never happened? Or do you just say, hey, listen, we're honoring him.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

He's a great player. We're honoring him as a. But we're just recognizing what he did as a player.

[Don Hahn]

But if you're, if you're a business and let's say they're protesting outside the hall of Fame stand for business, that then maybe you're forced to say, all right, listen, you know, am I willing to defy the protesters by keeping them in there? Like, that's all. Cancel cancer cult, cancel culture is. Is what. Is your willingness to fight for that individual and his indiscretions? That's what it comes down to, right? Because you don't have to cancel somebody. There's no law that says you have to be canceled. Somebody just says, I can't hire you because it'll affect my movie if I do. I can't play your song because it'll affect my bottom line if I do. So I'm going to let you go.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Totally understandable.

[Don Hahn]

You could fight it and say, hey, I don't care what he did. I'm playing the song. I'm putting him in my movie. So that can counteract that. But at the same time, it's all bottom line. And if I'm losing money because of the decision, then that's what ends up happening. But I'm with you. I'd like to separate it. But if the majority of people don't think like you, then what's my obligation as a businessman to say, how willing. How far the matt am I willing to go on this thing?

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Right. Well, you're not. It's not worth it for them. It doesn't. It doesn't have enough of a benefit. But, I mean, I'm a believer that even, like Barry Bonds and them should be in the hall of Fame.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, see, that.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I know that's a little different argument, but, like, I'm willing to judge them based on just what they did on the field.

[Don Hahn]

See, it's interesting how things age, right? Like when I was growing up that if you were addicted to coke or you were a drug addict, you were a bad person and you should Be kicked out of baseball because you were bad. Steve Howe, seven times suspended, and then now it's aged to the point where it's like you feel bad for him because he was addicted to drugs, he had a disease, he couldn't kick the habit despite the millions of dollars he was losing in his career thrown away. So I don't look at him as a bad guy the way I did when I was younger, where drug addicts were labeled as bad people, PD users were labeled as cheaters, bad guys. Can you see there be a time where there's a generation of fans who don't care and say, why was this guy blackballed? Why is he out of the hall of Fame? Yeah. Barry Bonds took PEDs. So what? 100%. Yeah.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

It's amazing how he probably even cares.

[Don Hahn]

About that right now. There's never going to be an age that I want to live in where people are going, oh, so O.J. killed a couple of people. So what?

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, that's a different.

[Don Hahn]

That's not ever going to happen.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Clearly a different level.

[Don Hahn]

But there are ways that things can age differently, where we're a little bit more sympathetic to the decisions that are made by people than we were at the time. Tell you, I'm a little bit older than you, but I remember, like, cocaine was such a big problem in baseball in the 80s. In the 80s, and you were looked at like a. Like a real bad person if you did that. And nobody ever considered, well, yeah, he shouldn't have taken it. So that was a bad decision. But he's not a bad guy. Just. He's got a problem, you know, And.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

But just over time, that changes. Don't you think that'll change with Bonds?

[Don Hahn]

And I think it's happening now. I think it's happening. I think there's a generation of people that look at Bonds and look at Clemens and go, what are we doing? Really? Honestly. All right, so they took pd. So they're still great players. Their accomplishments were still amazing. And.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

And there's steroids weren't even against the rules. It wasn't actually technically in the rules for a portion at that time.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

And so, yeah, it's a great debate. To me, it's all super silly.

[Don Hahn]

And that's why I do think there will be a scenario. Maybe not in our lifetime, but at some point, all these guys are going to end up getting in any.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

All I know is Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, these are some of the greatest players I've ever seen perform on a field in my Life, a baseball field.

[Don Hahn]

Now, if you want to tell me, well, you know what? If Sammy Sosa didn't take PEDs, I don't think he gets into the hall of Fame. I'm not going to put him in. That's different than saying, I'm going to punish them for taking PDS and not allow them in the hall of Fame. To me, that's two separate things. I think the punishment thing, like, who are you? That's a lot of these baseball writers, like, really, who are you? You know, to look in the mirror, what kind of person are you that you're just gonna be able to say, they, they soiled, they sullied the reputation of the game, they cheated. I'm gonna keep them out. If you look at and go, I think Mark McGuire was a home run hitter and I think the reason he had home runs, because he's on PDs, I'm not putting him in the hall of Fame. That's fair, right? Because I think that could be part of the process of determining how good a player he was. But just doing out of sheer punishment, as if you're some.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Nobody's gonna tell you Roger Clemens wasn't a good enough pitcher or Barry Bonds wasn't a good enough player or hitter like that. These, they weren't star players with or without it.

[Don Hahn]

I saw Barry Bonds assuming pre pds. He was a different player, but an amazing player. And Roger Clemens too.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know when Roger started it, but when he, when he struck out. Well, it was at 19 batters. Mariners and what was that? 1986. I'm assuming he was 86.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. So there has to be more nuance to these conversations. Let's go to Drew in Hoboken. You're on espn New York.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, thanks so much for taking the call.

[Don Hahn]

Always.

[Caller]

Jordan, you're doing great on the air. So huge fan of you. Huge Giants fan as well.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

So appreciate you. Hopefully you got it. Hopefully be a little bit better year for you. Well, yeah, can't be much worse.

[Caller]

Exactly. I wanted to chat Yankees. I wanted to talk about Boone in particular. And I personally, I'm a big Aaron Boone fan. I think he does a really good job, certainly not without flaws. I don't think he's a perfect manager, but I think overall he's done a good job. And especially when it comes to like calling out players after rough outings like Anthony Volpe needs to do better. I don't think Boone calling him out to the media is going to solve anything. I think if anything would probably only make things worse. And it's just like overall, it's just this is a player problem, I think. And you could also argue it's a roster problem, which is more Cashmen than Boone. And I don't know, just these players are not playing up to their potential. And at some point we have to hold the players accountable. Like, you know, Anthony Volpe is a very good defensive shortstop. That's, that's, you know, and he. Early on in his career he should be able to make routine throws and he would have even more errors if he wasn't saved by Goldschmidt, you know, so there's, there's something going on here and with the psyche of this team. It's just that something's off and it hasn't really clicked all year. And I'm curious if you guys think it will or if it even can.

[Don Hahn]

I think you said a lot of interesting things there that are true. If the roster is not functioning properly, that's a Brian Cashman problem. But we do hand out manager of the year awards when, when a team overachieves or accomplishes a lot, we'll say the manager did a great job. Well, if the team's underachieving, then I think I'm allowed to say I don't think the manager's doing as good a job. Now, I like Boone and I don't think he deserves to be fired. And I think he's a good manager, but I don't think he's above criticism. And I do think he has some responsibility for where the Yankees are, both positive and negative. But is he the biggest problem on the team? No.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Some people believe what Drew does and that, hey, if, you know, it's best to protect the players and never say anything but like, you have to look at it also as if that's not working, then, you know, I'm not saying you have to come out and just bash him publicly, but you could be honest, like, hey, he's not playing great. He, you know, he's. We know. We're working on it. You know, I think eventually he's going to come out of it and he's going to be fine.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I just, there's nothing wrong with that. I just think fans don't want to be talked down to Jordan. They consume a lot of Yankee baseball. They watch these post game shows. They want to know what's going on. I did it when I do the pre and post for the Rangers or the jets back in the day and something happened. Questionable during the course of the game, you know, I would say something we're looking forward to hearing so and so's press conference to find out why that happened. And when you hear Boone speak, it's almost as if, no, no, no, you don't see it the way I see it. Which is true because he's an expert and we're not. He played the game. He's a third generation major league baseball player. He's been a really good manager. He's won a ton of games as a manager. But when you, you feel like you're not getting the answer and you feel like that you're not, you're getting a lot of BS Then, then you feel it devalues it, doesn't it? Then you feel like I'm being talked down to, like I don't deserve answers. I want to know what's going on.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Blaming it on the score, official scorers at opposing parks is not the way to go.

[Don Hahn]

No, I don't think it is.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

How is that. How does that benefit Anthony Volpe? Tell me, do you think Anthony Volpe feels better today? Because Aaron Boone said some of those errors are the fault of the official scorer at the opposing ballpark when he's bouncing the ball to first base, by the way, you think, you think Anthony Volpe believes that or makes him feel better? Like, you might as well just be honest with him. You don't have to say, hey, you stink, you're playing poorly, you're saying, hey, we're working on it. He's had some, he's had a couple, a couple of rough games, a couple rough times here. You know, this is part of being a professional. He's going to work through it. He's going to be fine. Like, what's wrong with saying that? You make up that some official scorer's fault.

[Don Hahn]

I. The best quote, I throw this out all the time was from Buck Showalter, first year managing the Mets. Starling Marte got thrown out, ran, ran the Mets out of an inning, tried to steal second base, got thrown out by a country mile and killed a rally. After the game, Buck said, listen, we love Marte's aggressiveness. We love the fact that he's trying to make something happen, but he'll never do that again. Like, so he supported his player, but also let the audience know that that's not acceptable. All right, you could do both, right? But it sometimes feels like players are so tissue paper fragile that if you even remotely criticize them publicly, then they're going to fold up like a cheap suit. How give them more credit than that?

[Jordan Rosenberg]

All right, I agree. I don't think that's the case. I think they're tough. Most of these guys won't just fold because you say something like that.

[Don Hahn]

And I really don't think so. And you can have somebody's back without just being so apologetic for them. Have their I got your back, you're my guy. But he's got to play better. Like, what would be wrong with saying, listen, we're putting it all to rest. Anthony Volpe is our starting shortstop. We love him as a player. We think we got a chance to win a championship with this guy. But we do acknowledge he's got to do a better job. And he will.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

And to be honest with you, Anthony Volpe was really good throughout most of last year's playoffs.

[Don Hahn]

He was actually good. He had great.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

He did really well. Had a. Obviously had that huge ERA at the end and this year has been a tough year all and I'm like basically a Volpe apologist. But and honestly, I do think he'll eventually get through it. And you know what, if you're going to crumble when the manager makes a soft comment or you're going to crumble when things don't go bad, the reality is you're not going to be successful no matter what happens. That's my belief. I'm always of that belief.

[Don Hahn]

Buster only was on the morning show. DP Ron Rothenberg was asked, is he concerned about the Yankees? We'll find out about that ENN coming up at 6. And Harvey Cruz up against it here on Don Hanna Rosenberg on ESPN New.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Jordan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said. Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. In case you're just joining us, Ozzy Osbourne earlier today at the age of 76, just a couple of weeks after his final concert with Black Sabbath in Birmingham. So you wonder, was it kind of known that he wasn't gonna survive or was it a case of, well, that was it, you know, kind of like there's nothing left to do.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

You hear that a lot of times with like older couples. Like once one of them got that goes and passes away, right? It's always like the other one like follows very quickly. And because they're like, yeah, they, they had no reason to look, they knew it was their time to go.

[Don Hahn]

But it's crazy if you're a metal fan. I mean, that's the godfather at all. Ozzy Osbourne gone at the age of 76. Let's go to Brian in Milburn. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Brian? How you doing?

[Caller]

First of all, I want to welcome you home.

[Don Hahn]

Be a Devil's announcer. I always, I honestly didn't like you.

[Caller]

For a long time.

[Don Hahn]

You had that segment on it called a fraud. I know how much you a Devil fan and I'm like, what is going on? But congratulations. I'm so happy you're home.

[Caller]

I wish you was announcing when Jason.

[Don Hahn]

Arnott scored that cup winning gold. I can imagine you announcing that goal.

[Caller]

I am so, so happy that you're.

[Don Hahn]

Announcing for us now. Thank you so much.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Appreciate you.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, Brian. It means a lot to me and I'm happy to be a part of it too.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

You dream about that, you know, like when you're a kid, you like, you think about hitting the game winning grand slam in like game seven of the World Series. Like do you think, do you think about that now, like calling a Stanley cup winning goal?

[Don Hahn]

Of course. But, but unfortunately by taking this job, I've guaranteed myself never doing that because oh, because it's on national television. Like when that was the, that was the tough thing for Michael when he left radio to go to tv. You were given like, great, it's higher profile, but I'm giving up playoffs. I will get a first round if they're in the first round.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

What's the latest you can get these first round.

[Don Hahn]

The first round with the NBA did the same thing.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

When you get big enough and then you start doing, adding national games.

[Don Hahn]

Well, listen, if I, if I, if I got to that point, we're not.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Out of the realm of possibilities just yet, probably.

[Don Hahn]

But you know what? I thought this was out of the realm of possibility. But listen, it would be great to, to be able to call, you know, the first round of the playoffs if they're fortunate enough to make it. I would handle that from a local standpoint, but beyond that, it would have to be from afar. But the closest I not, not a cup winning. But I did call game one of the Stanley Cup Final in 2014 for the Rangers, but they end up losing that game in overtime. Justin Williams scored the overtime goal. So I came close to at least scoring a forever calling a forever goal, but it just didn't happen. But still, it's the least of my concerns.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

All the Crider game.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I, Sam was on that one. I had, listen, I had, I had, you know, moments, playoff overtime games. I called the game two against the Florida Panthers when Barkley Goodreau scored in overtime. That was cool. And that was in the third round. But no, no championships yet at least.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Well, you know, it's very coveted job when you, when I go to like talk to kids and you go, I went to like a broadcasting camp recently. That's the number one thing people say I want to be a play by play.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, no, it's fun. It's the closest thing to be a player. That's why I love it because you get to travel with the team and your work. You know, we do a lot in this business recapping and previewing, but only the play by play guy gets to actually work it in real time. Like I'm, it's, it's during the game that you're doing the work. So it's not a player, but it's kind of close enough to it that that's what makes it just so much fun. It's great. I'm really. As much as I love the summer, the one positive of the summer coming to an end would be that I get to work at this dream job. It's Going to be a lot of fun.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

My summer ends in July 20th.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Not a lot of downtime, right, for you. Once it was very.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

No, not at all. It's like a random day here, random day there.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. At least you're not driving up to Albany.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

No, well, I'd be staying up in Albany. That would be what it would be. And then you're away from for like what, four, five, six weeks?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. So you did that. Right, because. So what was last year in Albany?

[Jordan Rosenberg]

I did not. I came here in 2013, so they were already here. But I did do the Eagles when I was living in Philadelphia and they were in Lehigh, but that was like an hour and 15 minutes.

[Don Hahn]

And you commuted.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

So some most. I would go. Some days I would say over, but not regularly. You know, like you didn't have to stay every.

[Don Hahn]

But Albany to where you live now, that would.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

That would not be doable. That would not be doable.

[Don Hahn]

But I think they've got to figure it. And listen, Cortland was a beautiful place going up there for the jets, but a little too far. It was nice to go every once in a while. But.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

Added Hofstra.

[Don Hahn]

Well, Hofstra, actually, I'd rather go to Courtland than Jersey to Hofstra. Oh, my. The traffic was just unbelievable. I want to honor the tease. Here's Buster only. Okay, who's on with DNR earlier this morning, is it time to be concerned about the Yankees?

[Caller]

Concerned? I don't think there's any question. You know, it does feel like that the work that Brian Cashman is going to do leading up the trade deadline could be pivotal. Now, the one saving grace, and you and I have talked about this a number of times this year, The American League, generally speaking, is so mediocre. It is so forgiving. The Yankees have an easier challenge in the American League than the Mets do in the National League. There's no doubt about it. But it's gotten to the point with Volpe where you kind of wonder if he's starting to get in his own head a little bit and putting pressure on himself. Because more and more his answers are, I'm fine, it's good. And you worry about that. You worry about the starting pitching depth. You worry about, you know, the offense being stagnant.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I understand what he's saying about the American League not being the National League, but it's starting to get a little better. I mean, Toronto looks legit. Red Sox had just come off a 10 game winning streak. Houston is running away with their division. Detroit's kind of settled down, but they've had, you know, right there. So it looks like it's a little tougher than we thought at the beginning of the season. ENN is coming up next. It's Don Hanna Rosenberg until 6:30. Then it's Mets Angels right here on ESPN New York. You want to get the most for your money. That's why more Mazda buyers choose Ramsey Mazda for selection, customer service and savings during the Mazda More to move you sales eventually a new 25 Mazda CX50 for 239 for 33 months. Start shopping now at Ramsey Mazda.com choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Call 833-853-2970 for details. Excludes tax, title and registration. 0 Security Deposit VIN SN35 6011 MSRP 32,280 and 731 25. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter.

[Jordan Rosenberg]

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