Hour 3: Damien Woody joins the show

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
Episode: Hour 3: Damien Woody Joins the Show
Date: November 20, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Guest: Damien Woody

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Overview of the Episode's Theme

This lively hour of “Don, Hahn & Rosenberg” features NFL veteran and analyst Damien Woody, who joins the trio for a fast-paced conversation about NFL must-win games, player discipline, the gambling surge in sports, legendary tight ends, and some offbeat, humorous tangents involving audience callers. The show toggles seamlessly between deep sports analysis and lighthearted, often self-deprecating banter—perfect for New York’s sports fans who appreciate talk that doesn’t take itself too seriously.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Inside the World of Sports Radio and Broadcast Traditions (00:34–04:43)

• Radio Etiquette Bits:

  • The team jokes about radio DJ tropes, call letters, and time-stamp traditions versus today’s stream-oriented audience (“I don’t always need to say it’s Don, Hahn and Rosenberg on ESPN New York”—Don, 02:15).
  • Retelling of paths on ESPN shows: Alan and Peter share about their time filling in on morning shows with Keyshawn and J. Will, and the competition for those seats.

• Anecdotes on Burnout:

  • Don reveals he almost took a high-pressure morning host job post-divorce, saying candidly:
    “If I had gotten that job, guys, I would have been the first person to drop dead on the air...it would have burned me out and I would have been fired and left ESPN.” (03:45)

2. Yankees Roster Management & Brian Cashman Decisions (05:06–07:57)

• Caller Question on Yankees:
  • The trio and a caller debate Trent Grisham’s $22M tender and prospects like Dominguez and Jones.
  • Allen is skeptical:
    “Jones could be 25 in May, like, blank or get off the pot at this point.” (06:23)
• Why Teams Tender Players:
  • Peter: “You figure he’s in his prime … [they] put the offer out there anyway and then he took [it], and they were like, ‘oh, he took it.’” (05:44)

3. Gambling, Integrity, and Athlete Involvement (08:02–22:15)

• Callers Challenge the Role of Gambling in Sports:

  • One insists: "Somebody’s got to go to the ownership and … say, no more individual player profits … The integrity of the game is more important." (08:37)
  • Hosts note the hypocrisy and dilemma for leagues and networks.

• Is Gambling Too Integrated?

  • Peter: “I’m surprised right now this isn’t something the league—again, league commissioners should get together...some of these parlays and props are detrimental to our players.” (09:05)
  • Allen: “The prop bets are what keep you engaged in blowouts...Could it affect the ratings guys of a blowout game?” (10:03)

• Athletes Promoting Gambling Brands:

  • A caller questions: “Do you find it weird that big name guys ... like LeBron promote a product ... that is built on people losing money?” (20:27)
  • Don: “The athletes are the ones promoting it, you know, and I like it because it takes the hook off us ... but in all seriousness, it is weird. You’re not wrong.” (22:12)

4. NFL “Must-Win” Games and Team Breakdowns with Damien Woody (24:11–38:56)

Teams on the Brink (24:21–27:25)

• Chiefs:
  • Woody: “[The] Chiefs absolutely need to win ... you’re sitting at 5-5 ... they’re not able to finish games on either side of the ball, and we’re not seeing Patrick Mahomes create those spectacular plays.” (24:47)
• Patriots/Buffalo:
  • Allen on Buffalo’s unexpected season, Woody calls the Patriots “definitely a legit team that can come out of the AFC” and lauds Drake May’s rise. (26:13)
  • Woody: “Drake May right now is an MVP candidate.” (26:13)

Cowboys Skepticism (27:25–28:44)

• Don: “I’m not buying [the Cowboys] ... I see them pop up for a good game here or there, usually against a bad team.” (27:25)
• Woody challenges Cowboys to prove themselves by beating the Eagles.

Jameis Winston & Russell Wilson Debate (28:44–31:03)

• Woody: “[Jameis] is a roller coaster ... you gotta take the bad with the good, but at least he’s going to push the ball down the field.” (30:09)
• Don: “I did not understand ... why they were keeping Russell Wilson when he wasn’t given the chance to win or compete honestly.” (31:03)

Player Discipline Issues (34:33–35:36)

• Woody: “Talent buys you a long leash ... it’s really the job of the guys in the locker room to ... wrap their arm around the guy and get this guy going in the right direction.” (34:33)

AFC Bubble: Picking the Contender (36:08–37:14)

• Peter: "If you had to take all that money you earned … and pick one [AFC bubble] team, who is it?"
• Woody: "I'm going Ravens ..." (36:09)

Advice to Young Players, Personal Anecdotes (38:09–38:32)

• Woody: “At 23, I was doing stupid stuff ... you have everything in front of you, let’s make smart decisions.” (38:09)

5. Fun with Tight End Rankings, “Strange Pulls,” and Callers (11:04–18:25, 43:01–46:28)

• Gronkowski’s All-Time Rank:

  • Long segment debating Rob Gronkowski’s placement on “top 50” NFL lists.
  • Memorable quote, Peter: “I’m looking at a top 50 right now that has Gronk at 43. Who’s top 50? ... lineup.com. This was done in September.” (12:25)
  • Discussion of what defines a legendary tight end and if “the eye test” beats stats.

• Debates on Forgotten Players:

  • Don makes a “strange pull” by championing Jay Novacek as underrated, sparking a playful examination of personal biases in sports memory:
  • Don: “He always—third and seven—would catch it … But now with the kids, they look at the numbers and say, obviously, we throw him away. No, don’t throw those guys away…” (44:20)

6. Callers Bring Humor and Heart (46:52–51:58)

• Heather Babbles, Cowboys Fan:

  • Discusses talent vs. discipline: “If you think of a kid with a great attitude but low talent vs. a talented kid, who gets more playing time? The coach wants the W.” (47:08)

• Stephen from Melville:

  • Offers comic relief on air, claiming to be “pooping in my pants ... because I was scared”—then admits he was just high, leading to a hysterical moment:
  • Don: “We were taking you literally. The thing you were in the middle of was not actually pooping in your pants.” (50:03)

• Favorite Enemies:

  • On sports “villains” fans couldn’t enjoy because of rivalry, e.g., “I could not enjoy Michael Jordan’s career … as a Knick fan because I just hated him.” (51:07)

7. Show Self-Reflection and In-Jokes (39:13–52:03)

• The crew riffs on the “tone difference” between football analysts Booger McFarland and Damien Woody:
  • Don: “Could there be any bigger difference between our two football guys, Booger and D. Wood?” (39:15)
  • Peter: “Booger’s sound is ‘I hate you’ ... D. Wood’s like, ‘Hey man, you guys all want to hang after the show?’” (39:29)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Early Morning Radio Jobs:
  • Don: “If I had gotten that job guys, I would have been the first person to drop dead on the air.” (03:45)
• On Betting and Integrity:
  • Peter: “I’m surprised right now this isn’t something the league...some of these parlays and props are detrimental to our players.” (09:05)
• On Gronkowski:
  • Peter: “I’m looking at a top 50 right now that has Gronk at 43 ... This was done in September.” (12:25)
  • Allen: “Gronk is, what, the second greatest tight end of all time? Based on what?” (13:21)
• Woody on Player Discipline:
  • “Talent buys you a long leash ... That’s just the way it is.” (34:33)
• Don’s “Strange Pull” Defense:
  • “Don’t throw those guys away because they were outstanding at what they did. It was just a different place and so tight end is ... the level of Gronk is what, the last 15, 20 years?” (44:20)
• Caller Comedy:
  • Stephen from Melville: “The last time I called up, I was not high. I was pooping in my pants ... I was terrified of that man [Joe Montana] … let’s talk about who’s the scariest competitor.” (49:44-51:07)
• Woody on Maturity:
  • “At 23, I was doing stupid stuff ... All I’m saying is, look, you have everything in front of you. Let’s just make smart decisions.” (38:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:34–04:43: Radio traditions, inside jokes, stories about ascending in ESPN Radio
• 05:06–07:57: Yankees’ prospects & Brian Cashman debate
• 08:02–10:31: Gambler’s impact on league integrity
• 11:04–18:25: Gronk’s top 50 status; tight end evolution debate
• 20:27–22:15: LeBron & athlete gambling endorsements
• 24:11–38:56: Damien Woody’s NFL analysis: “must win” games, the AFC bubble, young QBs, player discipline advice
• 43:01–46:28: The “strange pull” about Jay Novacek, generational talent memories
• 46:52–51:58: Callers bring humor, the “pooping in pants” high, and discussion of sports villains
• 39:13–39:47: Comparing tones between Booger McFarland and Damien Woody

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Overall Tone & Flow

As always, the trio’s exchanges are a mix of tongue-in-cheek New York swagger, authentic sports knowledge, and willingness to embrace the weird. Callers range from diehards with sharp questions to high-on-life jokesters who create iconic moments. The addition of Damien Woody keeps the NFL talk expert and relevant, but nothing gets so serious they can't veer off into nostalgia or comedy at a moment’s notice. The hour is a treat for anyone who loves sports radio with genuine chemistry and zero pretense.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Allen]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Why don't you ever do that? It's the one thing you don't do. You don't do the DJ thing. Yeah, but I copy it from you because I like it.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah, he's honoring you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm honoring you. That is. That is. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. So I, and I also like the sound of it and it's consistent. But Peter is a guy that.

[Don Hahn]

When he's not being that guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you're not being that guy. You're being you. Which is. It's like you come in from segments just sort of like, hey, you walked in the room. As if you walked in the room.

[Allen]

And saw people just did.

[Don Hahn]

Which is exactly. Sometimes all's in the can. Whereas it's so funny on. On Hot. It's the exact opposite. Ebro finds that if I ever take over anything, he thinks I'm like being Joe Radio man. And I'm so not like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you do then?

[Don Hahn]

It's just compared to him because he's so irreverent. Yeah, Ebros is just so like, you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don'T do call letters, you don't do time, you don't do anything. You just start talking.

[Don Hahn]

It depends. Like, I think things have changed, right? So it's. I used to be very big on me. Listen, when I first started my career, guys, I had to start every single day Talk break with WPGC 95.5 always blazing at least 18 jams in a row. Every time I open the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stuck in your head now forever.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that never goes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're never losing that.

[Don Hahn]

So. But then as times have changed and now the people are listening to us. Most of them are listening on the app, they're streaming, they're watching on YouTube. I don't always need to say it's Don Hahn and Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because when I did. I know what they chose when I did the national network for a while, like, doing that. It's so like, you have to keep saying. And then you have to. It's like almost like, you know, ESPN radio presentation.

[Don Hahn]

Our guests appear on. Courtesy of the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's unreal.

[Don Hahn]

I. I have to tell you, I'm.

[Allen]

Gonna tell you guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why did you blur everything but the sponsor?

[Don Hahn]

Me progressive in general?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's just. I remember you knew. Well, you know what the sponsor was.

[Don Hahn]

I have to tell you guys, this is a little behind the scenes. And now we're going to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Truly, if you will.

[Don Hahn]

So. So Alan was on that show some. Wait, no, you and you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Keyshawn. J. Will.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it was you, Keyshawn and J. Will at some point.

[Damian Woody]

And what.

[Don Hahn]

What era was that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was the. The KJZ before Max era.

[Don Hahn]

And then. And then you were the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was. I was the Z.

[Don Hahn]

You were the Z. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Z was Zubin.

[Don Hahn]

He got sick and he got sick and took off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then he.

[Don Hahn]

And then you came in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I did. For five months.

[Don Hahn]

For five months. So I guess so at some point. And what year was that again? You said pre pandemic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, post pandemic. Wait.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, post. Because they ended up hiring Zubin.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. So post pandemic.

[Don Hahn]

So prior to Zubin being hired, I was in conversations about that seat. Had the whole. Had the meeting at the hotel. But you keep this on the low, kids. Keep this quiet, you know, keep this quiet here.

[Allen]

We're going to see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know exactly what's going on. I had just. My marriage had just ended. I'm lost trying to kind of figure out what's next. I'm just rolling with it, trying to see where I land. If I had gotten that job, guys, I would have been the first person to drop dead on the air. I mean, it would have been between how early you have to be there to do the national radio and then the amount of stuff that it includes before just getting to be a radio guy, I wouldn't have made, and it would have burned me out, and I would have been fired and left espn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It would have been the end of me. Either that or Evan Willinger, who was the producer, would have murdered you. Right.

[Don Hahn]

So either way, I'm dead because there's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No way you two would have worked.

[Don Hahn]

It wouldn't have worked. That's not me. I I. Even though I'm a good broadcasty guy, the accoutrement that comes with that job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no, we were there. Yeah, we were. I would. I would leave my house at like 4:20am4:20. That's.

[Don Hahn]

That's no way to live.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not. For me, 420 is a way to live. But not now.

[Don Hahn]

You're talking, al. That's our 420. See, now I'm where I'm supposed to be, with our people.

[Allen]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

1-800-919-3776. Somehow now we've gotten into his Gronka top 50 player. We're talking CD and George Pickens. So many different things. But since we're mixing it all up, Justin wants to ask a Yankee question. Justin and Florin. What's up?

[Caller]

What's up, guys? You know, I think Brian Cashman's taking.

[Damian Woody]

Whatever that last call.

[Caller]

How do you Give Trent Grisham $22 million?

[Damian Woody]

Are you out of your mind?

[Allen]

He's not gonna take it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the problem is that. Is that he. They offered him the qualifier as if to protect themselves, right? Like, they don't want to lose him.

[Don Hahn]

Because you what to say, we're offering him something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You figure he's in his prime. What is he, 30, 29. So you're probably thinking, like, he's probably going to get, you know, look for a bigger contract. He probably not going to take it, but we'll put it out there anyway. And then he took. And they were like, oh, he took it.

[Allen]

Yeah. He misread the room.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He did. That's got to be it, right, Don?

[Allen]

Well, he did. He thought, all right, then he's going to go sign someplace else. Of course he's going to try to get a bigger contract. And then he realized something that everybody else in the world realized a long time ago. This was a career year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Allen]

This was probably an aberration. And now they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did the playoffs prove it.

[Allen]

Well, I think everybody looked at that and said that this is. This is an aberration. But. Or it wasn't going to work in other places. But the fact remains that they still are going to be able to resign Bellinger. But I just want to know what happens to Dominguez and Jones.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that. That's a bigger. Isn't that a bigger issue?

[Allen]

More so. More so Jones. Because Jones could be 25 in May, like, blanket it off the pot at this point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, they had to rule five them. They had to put them. They had to put him on the roster, they would have lost him.

[Allen]

But you're landlocking all the things that they try not to do with Volpe.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Allen]

We don't want to bring anybody in because we want Volpe to play. Are you doing this? Are you taking the slings and arrows? Because you know Jones isn't going to work, that, you know Dominguez isn't going to work like that. Then you could defend Brian Cashman, because maybe he doesn't want to say it, because we've seen that Dominguez has some holes. Jones strikes out way too much. Even for the Yankees, he strikes out too much. And like I said, you're gonna be 25 years old in May, I believe, and you're still down to the minor leagues at some point. Yeah, you know, it's not gonna happen. And is that the. Is that the unspoken thing with this organization? That these two highly coveted outfield prospects are not all that and that maybe Grisham is somebody that they think has a future here? More so than that, because then it would age better. But if these guys end up becoming what they think, you're landlocking them even for a year, you're doing it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just look at it as, you know, you're trying to be careful with your roster. And they probably thought that he thought, he thinks he can get multi years because of his age. And he probably wants to strike. And if. I don't know who represents him, but whoever represents him said to him, you're never getting $22 million like this. Take it.

[Allen]

Yep, take it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And we'll worry about it next year. Just take it. Prove yourself one more year and then you'll really get paid. But if you don't prove yourself this year, that's 20 million in your pocket. You're never going to see that.

[Don Hahn]

Let's keep things going and go to Adam in New Jersey. What's up, Adam?

[Caller]

Hey, fellows, it's a pleasure. And the gambling piece. So when Class A originally got suspended, my buddies and I, who were all baseball addicts, were fingering. Why would anybody risk a contract that big for something so petty? Maybe, for example, somebody threatened his family in his home country or something like that, which is still a possibility. And it turns out he really is.

[Allen]

A vet big, an idiot.

[Caller]

But that said, somebody's got to go.

[Allen]

To the ownership and they've got to.

[Caller]

Go to the betting site and say, no more individual player profits. I don't care how much money is involved. These integrity of the game is more important.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what, Adam? That. That's something that I'm surprised right now isn't something that the league, again, league commissioners get together, they all have partnerships and they all just decide because, you know, one league doing it separate, the sports betting sites can say, well, nobody else is doing it. We're not agreeing to it. But if all four, especially football.

[Don Hahn]

But there's so much football too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But props in football are monstrous. But, but you gotta go, like if they united, say, look, there's a lot of things that we're fine with, spreads, but some of these parlays and props is detrimental to our players.

[Don Hahn]

Not only that, Allen, you said this earlier. It would be such an incredible shame if, God forbid, they made that change after something bad happened to a player.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or someone were harmed before it's too late. Yes, yes.

[Don Hahn]

Get ahead of this. Protect your players. Safety, I don't know. Because there's too much pressure. Don, you could have a player, his number, he needs to get nine rebounds, he gets eight rebounds and something happens like protect the players.

[Allen]

I agree, but there's a reason they're not doing it. And I wonder how much the networks have to say about this because let's face it, the prop bets are what keep you engaged in blowouts. The game's 30 to nothing. You might stay with that game because you need another sack or you need another reception. You know, you talk to people there in the gambling world that they're, they're living on that. I stayed with that game because, you know, I needed CD Lamb to get one more catch. And even though the game was over, normally I would go to bed, turn it off, but I stayed engaged in that game. You know, when you watch even the regionals, guys with the reads like the prop bets, I think keep people in the game that normally might check out of the game. So I don't know if they have a major say, but could it affect the ratings guys of a blowout game?

[Don Hahn]

It's a good point. Now, listen, I don't know what kind of numbers that's affecting for local basketball, you know, stuff like that. But, but in terms of not locally, but nationally ESPN game, you know that your, your people are sticking around in the fourth quarter in a 30 point Laker block because they want to see if Bronnie gets over seven points. It's possible. Let's go to Q in bridge weight. Hey, what's up, Q?

[Allen]

Where's Bridgewater?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bridgewater.

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Allen]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, you cut off the R and that makes more sense, but that.

[Allen]

Was a good guess.

[Don Hahn]

What's up?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Man.

[Damian Woody]

Hey, so I'm calling to chime in on the Gronk conversation. There's no app. There's absolutely no way Gronk is a top 50 player of all time. And my, my supporting, my support behind.

[Caller]

That is if we list the top.

[Damian Woody]

50 players of all time, we probably get about 15 quarterbacks, 10 running backs and maybe about 15 wide receivers. We're at 40 and we haven't mentioned Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White and Neil Smith yet. So there's no way he cracks that list. No top three tight end of all time, though. I give him that. Well, you know, and that's.

[Allen]

And even, even that even. That's interesting because everybody's going to look at the stats, right? But does would Ozzy New so put up these kind of stats if he played in this era? One of the best underrated tight ends. Jay Novacek was amazing with the Cowboys. You know, he could block, he could catch, but you know, he had other weapons on that team so they didn't need to throw him the ball as much. You know, the one thing about the Patriots guys is they never, outside of Randy Moss, never had any real big time targets. It was all about Tom Brady. And let's not forget he's got one of the greatest quarterback, if not the greatest quarterback, throwing the ball to him. But let's not respect the, respect the guys or disrespect the guys in other eras. You don't think that Gonzalez or Gates could have put up those stats in a more wide open NFL with that?

[Don Hahn]

I'm the best quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm looking at it. I'm looking at a top 50 right now that has Gronkow at 43. Who's top 50? I. I don't know. It's just lineup hats.com line. Yes, right.

[Allen]

Boston Globe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

W E, E I. Yeah, no, no, it's, it's lineup dot com. This was done in September.

[Allen]

All right, give me some.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll give you the top 10. Brady Rice, Peyton Brown, Sanders, LT, MT, Manning Moss, Reggie White.

[Allen]

And who are some of the names after 43?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There you go. You want to go see what he did? By the way, he's not the first tight end listed, just so you know.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gonzalez. Larry Fitzgerald is after him. Erlacher Tarkenton, J.J. watt, Palomalu, Derek Brooks. And Singletary has 50 if you had a choice.

[Allen]

J.J. watts. Oh, my God.

[Don Hahn]

That's tough though.

[Allen]

I mean, again, I'm not disrespecting him. And again, if you want to it's not the end of the world for me, but it's the second greatest tight end of all time. Based on what? What? Just because he won and the stats, can we.

[Don Hahn]

He led the NFL in touchdowns in 2011 with 17.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

He had 90 receptions that year, which for a tight end is pretty insane. However. However, that wasn't most years, guys. Most years he was hovering around, you know, more closer to 70 receptions, which is still a really big number. But you're not talking about him becoming a top receiver in the league. He never led the league in receiving yards or anything like that. He had the one year leading in touchdowns. Listen, he was a very dominant player. And to your point, Don, he had the best ever throwing him the rock and he was the biggest offensive stud besides Moss he ever had. I mean, I'm sorry, him getting targets over Troy Brown and Deon Branch doesn't say that much.

[Allen]

So when you look at like, I don't know if you want to punch up Jane over check's numbers and look at me winning a cowboy, you know, but they had Michael Irvin and they'll be disappointed. Smith.

[Caller]

Right, but.

[Allen]

But I'm saying is. Is that. All I know is he was so clutch and he could do so many different things, but he was not the number one target. And most of the time you weren't the number one target. Right. I mean, what about Sharp?

[Don Hahn]

You know, it's a great point. He doesn't get enough credit for the beginning of changing the position.

[Allen]

You know, and listen, when he got in Denver. But in Baltimore he's got, you know, Dilfer throwing him.

[Don Hahn]

I know. Shannon Sharp ups the number, he gets closer to Gronk like numbers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So the hundredth anniversary all time team, right? Top 100.

[Allen]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

NFL. And Gronk's not in the top 100.

[Don Hahn]

Not top 100.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, player 100 is Joe Namath.

[Caller]

What?

[Don Hahn]

What year do they do that? Sorry? What year was the 100 year anniversary?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no, no, I'm sorry, this is 2010, so of course he wouldn't be on. Look, it's. It's a Wikipedia. It popped up. I read it. Now I'm looking at the data.

[Allen]

No, that's worse than sauce from Yonkers.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, no.

[Allen]

Well, listen, Wikipedia got you, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh yeah.

[Don Hahn]

It happens quick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It happens quick. Well, I just look at you going to. You're trying to find a list. I'm trying to add to the show.

[Allen]

You have born in yon live. How long did you stay in New York?

[Damian Woody]

Who me?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, who me? Is the best part, because you're interviewing him.

[Don Hahn]

Who else would it be?

[Allen]

I just want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, not you.

[Allen]

I got to tell you, I am sure now, all the things that have happened to him, and now he's in Indianapolis. I bet you if we saw him. And he probably remembers that, hey, remember.

[Don Hahn]

The day after you were drafted when some yo yo thought you were from Yonkers?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, all right. Ranker has one that was done, like, a month ago.

[Allen]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

What do they have?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Brady, Rice, Sanders. I'm doing the top ten. Brown, lt. It's all very similar.

[Don Hahn]

Walter, they have Sanders at three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did I say Barry Sanders?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, Barry Sanders, three all time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, Walt Peyton, Randy Moss, Dion at 8, Joe Green, mean Joe Green, 9, and Dick Butkus.

[Don Hahn]

That's. This is an interesting list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So then we go. Let's keep going here.

[Allen]

You know, it's something that you may not know that blows a lot of people's minds when they hear it. Dick Butkus never played in the postseason. Did not play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was that, like.

[Allen]

Because playoff goes. He sucked.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Allen]

No, you think. No, but you think of the Bears, and you think of him, and you think, oh, he must have been on some great team. No, he came into the league after. They were already after 63 when they. They weren't good. Like, just not one playoff game.

[Don Hahn]

Do you ever think about, would his life have been better if he had been named but Dickus? Like, which is worse when you think, well.

[Allen]

But is not a first name.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, right.

[Don Hahn]

Sure.

[Allen]

So you would say there's something going on, and it's also.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His first name is probably Richard. I'm sure.

[Don Hahn]

Richard Butkus.

[Allen]

That is knowing. But no. You know what's amazing about him?

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, Tony Gonzalez, 45 on this. So.

[Damian Woody]

No.

[Allen]

My dad. When my dad played football.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, wrong. Aaron Rodgers, 50.

[Allen]

The teams weren't sponsored. The players were. So. So my father was sponsored by a flower shop. And I'd say, that must have been embarrassing because. No, I loved it because the other team would make fun of me and would get me mad, and I'd just want to destroy them. Butkus sounds like a guy that, you know, I'm gonna go buy Dick because people can make fun of me, and I'm just gonna destroy. He could have probably went rich. Richard. But you know why?

[Don Hahn]

He goes, I want to be that guy.

[Allen]

Have you seen, like, Highlands? He showman. Like, he would spike the ball in your face. He'd shove the. When he have an interception, he'd shove it in the other guy's face. Yeah, he was being that guy by going by Dick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That guy's face.

[Don Hahn]

Right in his face.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's. This is. Wow. Wow.

[Don Hahn]

So much was said in that segment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So much.

[Allen]

Just in a different order. It was said in a different order.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, editing, however, can help us put it in the right order.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, it's in the order.

[Allen]

If that were to happen, who gets suspended, Me or the person in the. And edit it. I think it should be the person.

[Don Hahn]

Well, no, nothing you said was not legal. No, it was just suspect. That's all I can say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was sauce.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Dave in Queens. What's up, Dave?

[Allen]

Dave.

[Caller]

I'm laughing.

[Allen]

Mission accomplished.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. That's what we're supposed to do here. Entertain. I love it.

[Caller]

Go. But. But Dick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But. To be a character.

[Caller]

Go by Dick is one of the best things.

[Don Hahn]

It was a moment in time.

[Caller]

Okay, let's get it together.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, guys.

[Caller]

I called about two months ago. We spoke a little bit about the gambling back then. And I made the comment how it might be more regular for you guys because you do the reading part of your life compared to the regular folks out here. And I'm glad that Don said earlier because I was thinking about it also, like a month ago, I didn't really get the whole suspension Pete Rose thing. Growing up as a kid, they say, this guy so great, he did one thing, he can't go. And all of it. I get it now as an adult and especially now, trying to normalize it, I think I don't really like the part of the conversation where it's like, why would you know these guys with so much money? Xyz. Xyz. They're human beings.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Caller]

So whether they're doing this or something else suspect or society doesn't accept they have that same money, a lot of stuff is at risk. Let's do something. Let's choose a simpler example. Why would they cheat on their wives when you know, the state might give them half of their money instead of divorcing their wife? And they're human beings, so they're going to do human things. And whoever they are as people may or may not manifest and bubble to the top as a result of this being a person, not how much money they do or don't have. And just really quickly, I have one question that I want to ask you guys personally and I. I hope your job and what you do doesn't really affect your potential answer, but do you find it weird that big name guys, the Epstein files.

[Don Hahn]

No. Sorry. Continue.

[Caller]

No, no, no. Big name guys in particular, like LeBron promote a product with the smile on their face and the brand that they are that essentially is built on people losing money to stay. To stay. Like for the lights to stay on at these buildings, people have to lose money in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think you're crazy saying that, Dave.

[Caller]

I. I've always promote that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know that commercial that he does that LeBron does with Kevin Hart? I do find that strange.

[Don Hahn]

You mean how rich they are? And it's like, hey, go lose your money.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, not that.

[Don Hahn]

Which part?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The part of I'm an athlete who plays a professional sport you can bet on and you should bet on it. And me, even though they're doing football in the commercial, because it obviously would be really wrong for them to do NBA stuff, but there is something odd to that.

[Don Hahn]

The athletes are the ones promoting it, you know, And I like it because it takes the hook off of us. So. Yeah, I agree. Athletes shouldn't do this. Radio hosts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. We should. We should be the only ones.

[Allen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

No, no. But in all seriousness, it is weird. You're not wrong.

[Allen]

It's weird. But how hypocritical would it be to say, well, we don't want our athletes doing it yet. The Face off and the dasher board five feet away is. Is a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no. Because they're the objects being bet on.

[Allen]

I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They shouldn't be promoting it. Kevin Hart can promote it because he's somebody that watches the sport and cares about the sport. But, no, you don't find that to be a little odd that.

[Don Hahn]

I hear you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Allen]

But it's part of, you know, if they're going to do a liquor ad.

[Damian Woody]

No, no, but it's not.

[Don Hahn]

It's not Don. What he's saying is they are the product.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's the product.

[Don Hahn]

They are the product. And they're saying, bet on us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bet on me.

[Don Hahn]

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[Allen]

It's Thursday. It's 5:30. That means Damian Woody and his report brought to you by bet365. De Wood, Donna Rosenberg. How you doing man?

[Damian Woody]

I'm good fellas. How you guys doing?

[Allen]

Well, getting late, man. It's getting late early. It's the, it's second half of November and we were talking about earlier in the show, you don't want to say must win, but we're getting to where there's teams just can't afford to lose. You know, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Buffalo right now. You know, when you look at some of the games that are lined up here, who are some of the teams you circle and say, man, they need to win this week.

[Damian Woody]

The Chiefs, yeah, Chiefs absolutely need to win. I mean you're sitting at 5 and 5. The division is to me is out of reach. I think, I think Denver, with that win over Kansas City last week, they basically clinched the AFC west in my opinion, with the way they're playing. But if you're Kansas City right now, it's getting late early. I mean you're sitting at 5 and 5 and you look at Some of these teams in the AFC that you're competing with, you know you have the Chargers, The Chargers are 74 on their bye week. I know they're dealing with some injuries and stuff, but this Kansas City Chiefs team, think about it, last year they were, they were on top of the world winning these one score games. And this year they're 0 and 5. So they're not able to finish games on either side of the ball. And we're not seeing Patrick Mahomes create those spectacular plays that we've been accustomed to seeing. So this Chiefs team absolutely needs to win this week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Buffalo plays tonight. They, they, it's amazing to see them in second place in the AFC east, isn't it? Like, I know these are your Patriots and all, but what they have done this year at 9 and 2 definitely opens up a lot of eyes. I don't want to start any ESPN on ESPN crime here, D. Wood, but Cam Newton is quoted as calling this start so far for the Patriots as quote fool's gold. Do you see it as such there's still more to prove in New England or do you see them as a legit candidate, as a legit contender at 9 and 2 already?

[Damian Woody]

Oh, they're definitely legit. They're definitely a team, legit team that can come out of the afc. They're extremely well. And listen, Cam and I, we've been battling for weeks because about, I don't know, 5 weeks ago I was already on the, the Drake May as a top five quarterback and we had been going back and forth on first take and Cam was just like, no way, no way. And I just every week just kept coming to him like you need to pay attention. Drake May is a top. Drake May right now is an MVP candidate. He's one of the top, he's one of the leaders as far as winning the MVP this year. And so this Patriots team that well coached Mike Vrabel, you know, former coach of the year with Tennessee and he's now, he's doing it, doing it again in New England. And Josh McDaniels, I mean think about this. If you're in New England, like this is such a luxury for Drake May to have Josh McDaniels because guess what, you're not going to lose him for a head coaching opportunity again. So now, you know, young quarterback, he's going to have his offensive coordinators, you know, presumably for years to come. So New England's not going anywhere. And Buffalo has a huge game tonight against this Houston Texans team and that, that defense Is real.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we're just, we're just looking up and down here. D. Wood throughout the day at the other, the other games that are out here of quote unquote, must win. I've been noticing that the Cowboys seem to keep getting mentioned as, like, oh, well, it's a tough spot for Kansas City to be on Thanksgiving. Am I crazy for not buying into it? I'm sorry. I see them pop up for a good game here or there, usually against a bad team. But I'm not buying with the Cowboys. Where are you at?

[Damian Woody]

Well, I mean, listen, they were playing the Raiders, okay? So, like, listen, they play what. Obviously we saw Q put on one heck of a performance against the Raiders, but now you're going up against the quote, unquote, big boy. Now you're going up against the Philadelphia Eagles, the, the king of the division, you know, the number one seed in the NFC right now. And so if you want to, if you want to make a statement, go win this game. Go in this game against Philadelphia. Because quite honestly, Dak Prescott and company have had success against Philadelphia before. So if you want, if you want to dispel some of the naysayers, go win the game against the defending world championship.

[Allen]

Now, Kafka made his debut on Sunday, same old, same old. They lost a game, blew a fourth quarter lead. But did you see anything different between him and Dable?

[Damian Woody]

Well, I mean, like, for me, I just look at the, like, the little things, like, like game management, game management type thing. And obviously, you know, you wouldn't. The biggest thing is you don't have to worry about Jameis going out there and putting themselves in harm's way as far as running the football and getting concussed and stuff like that. So I think that was, you know, that was a difference. But listen, at the end of the day, man, it's. It's the same old song, right? We've talked about it. You know, if you wanted to go out here and want to be a guy that impresses upon the ownership, you got to finish these games. The game was there to be had and you couldn't finish the game. There's too much good personnel for the New York Giants to be in this situation seem seemingly every week. And so when it's in the margins, coaching matters and they keep falling short.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you watch Jameis play, was there a part of your thought, like, why wasn't he ever playing? Because Russ, we saw from the. Almost the very first game, yes, he did have the one game against the Cowboys where he lit it up, but every other game. And the Cowboys defense was garbage back then, but every other game he just, he looked like a guy that was a shell of himself. And they never went to Jameis Winston. And even when dart had to come out of games, it was Russell Wilson who was the backup. Did you ever, like, when you were watching Jameis, did you say like, wait a minute, why wasn't this guy playing?

[Damian Woody]

Yeah, I did, many a times. Many a times, because I listen, the one thing about Jameis, we know the roller coaster that is Jameis Winston. You're going to get some spectacular plays and you always going to get some, some awful plays the as well. But that's what makes watching him so, so intriguing and exciting, to be honest with you. But listen, the one thing about Russell Wilson that everyone has been. Talk had been mentioned anyway was, you know, his lack of athleticism. That was the one that his main carrying cards throughout his career was his escapability. Getting outside the pocket and the deep ball, well, that's clearly not his game. And once you take that away from him, you know, quite honestly, he's not a starting quarterback. And so for me, you know, I always thought, put Jameis in the game, James gonna push the ball down the field, he's gonna make things happen. And you gotta take, you gotta take the bad with the good, but at least he's going to push the ball down the field.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I felt the exact same way all year. I did not understand what we were seeing and why, why they were keeping Russell Wilson when he wasn't given the chance to win or compete honestly. Damian Layton, games. One selfish question. I'm sorry, guys, I haven't asked one in at least two weeks. So a quick one. Do you think that the commander should consider playing Jayden Daniels again if he's available, or you just keep this kid on the shelf all year?

[Damian Woody]

Well, I mean, listen, as a player, we never think about, you know, being, being put on the shelf. Just look at Joe Burrow, you know, look at how much of the conversation was, why would Joe Burrow come back and play? Well, guess what? He actually might play this week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He wants to, you know.

[Damian Woody]

Right, exactly.

[Allen]

And they're.

[Don Hahn]

And they're likely not going on a run.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they're three and seven.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, they're three and seven. It's. It's probably over, right?

[Damian Woody]

Yeah, but you, you know, but my, but my point is like players, we like this whole notion of, you know, tanking or what, you know, just kind of folding, folding up shop. That's just not in our DNA. A player wants to play and be out there with, with his teammates. And so I think at some point if, you know, if he comes back and he's healthy, he's going to want to be go out there and play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, they would. Normally games between 2, 2 and 8 teams are not interesting to anybody. Right. But for some reason I'm riveted to Browns Raiders for one reason, one reason only. First of all, because, you know, I'm obsessed with quarterbacks because here in New York we don't have one with the jets at least. And Shador Sanders is going to get his first start. Am I crazy? Am I crazy to be curious to see is there something there that if the Browns don't see it, maybe somebody else, another team might see it?

[Damian Woody]

Well, I will say this. There will be four, two, two and eight teams. They're going to be a lot of eyeballs on it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Damian Woody]

And you best, and you best believe come Monday morning when we're on, when I'm on Get up, we're going to be talking about Shador Sanders, you know, in that game. And so, but that's the celebrity that he brings. And so the, the intriguing part is, okay, going into last week when he had come off the bench, he had no first team reps. The office alignment were talking about. They never heard his cadence. That's not going to be the case this week. He's getting all the reps. The game plan is going to be going to be catered towards him. He'll be able to put, you know, have input as far as the play calling, what the things he likes, things he don't like. So we'll, this will be the first time that we'll get an opportunity to see Shador Sanders like in the truest of form, preparation, everything. And then, hey, listen, he's going up against this range defense. This Raiders defense is awful. And so if he goes out there and it just looks more the same same of last week, then you know that's going to be a big, that's going to be an indictment on shadow more than anything.

[Allen]

Now we, we had an incident during the Giant game where Abdul Carter didn't play the first series because reports were he was asleep at the facility, missed a walkthrough. There's been lateness throughout his rookie year and he's denied it as an organization. Woody, how far do you go to support a player like if, if it is not true, do you have to come forward and back him? Do you if you're Kafka, do you let it go? Because a lot of this stuff, even though he's the one that sat him down, a lot of these things happened under Dable. How far do you go to support a player when something like that happens?

[Damian Woody]

Well, we all know that the talent buys you a long leash. I mean, that's just the way it is. And in anything where we talk about pro sports or any other field, a guy like Abdul Carter, who's immensely talented, I think the biggest thing from this is, where's the leadership in the locker room? It's not the coach's job to police and do all this stuff with the player. That's really the locker room's job. Coaches have enough on their plates, game planning and all the other stuff that comes with being a coach. It's really the job of the guys in the locker room to kind of, you know, police the locker room, wrap their arm around the guy and get this guy, you know, going in the right direction, direction. And so I just look at leadership directly within his position group where, you know, where are you at? Brian Burns, where are you at? Kayvon Thibodeau, Dexter Lawrence, all these guys, these vet guys, like, where are you guys at? You know, wrap your arms around this young man. If that's the case where he's been late and all those type of things, it should be up to those guys to make sure that he's held to a certain standard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I asked this of Booger McFarland early in the week. I want to ask you as well. We have teams on the board bubble. I know we earlier we talked about these must win field that is now coming into play here later in the year. But I'm going to give you a choice. You got to pick one. All right. In the afc, there's three good teams that are on the bubble. All right? The Texans, the Chiefs and the Ravens. They're all five and five. If you had to take all that money you earned in your career and put it on one team and one team only, you know who he's saying to get in? Who is it?

[Damian Woody]

I want Ravens.

[Don Hahn]

Wow. Also Ravens.

[Allen]

Yeah, that's what Booker said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

It's a shame.

[Damian Woody]

Ravens. I'm going Ravens because I look at first you got to look within a division. Okay, So a, you know, respectively to the AFC west and the AFC south. You got the Colts and then you have the Denver Broncos. Neither one. You know, Kansas City and Houston, they're not winning their respective division. Baltimore has a shot to win their division. They just got to keep winning. And as this defense continues to improve and Lamar is Lamar and Derrick Henry and all that. I'm just not a. I'm just not a believer in the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm just not. I just think they're a flawed team. They're a flawed team. I think Aaron Rodgers is flawed at, you know, his advanced age. And I think at some point. At some point soon, the Baltimore Ravens are going to overtake the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Don Hahn]

This is why. This is why D. Wood's the guy.

[Kevin Clark]

Because.

[Don Hahn]

Because the real answer. Because to me, where you summed it up, is it's not about the quality of the football team. It's about the path there and the idea of catching the Steelers. Because you're right, the Chiefs ain't catching anybody they could hope to get on the wild card. They're not catching the Broncos. Whereas, yeah, the Steelers seem to be heading. Heading the wrong direction. That's a. That's a very strong call by you, sir. Did you have any issue, Damian, with the scatter boo situation? Or you think it was much to do about nothing?

[Damian Woody]

I mean, look, bro, you had surgery about three weeks ago where your. Where your foot was pointed in the opposite direction. Like, let's chill out. No one's saying you can't enjoy yourself and have a good time, but let's just be smart, okay? Like, you got your whole. You got everything in front of. You got to make sure we're smart. You know, all that pushing and all that type of stuff. Let's just be smart out there, man. That's all I got to say about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're talking like a guy that would give him the right advice, like a leader that would pull him aside. Because we all know at 23, like our. We know when we were 23, what would we have done? We'd been right there.

[Heather Babbles]

Yeah.

[Damian Woody]

I mean, listen, if it. At 23, I was doing stupid stuff. So I'm not gonna say. I'm not gonna see here and admonish the. The young man, because I've been there, done that. All I'm saying is, look, you have everything in front of you. Let's just be. Let's just make smart decisions. Be smart about it.

[Allen]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So somebody should have said, but just be smart. Yeah.

[Allen]

Yeah. You. You wouldn't eat a hundred Buffalo wings today.

[Damian Woody]

No, that. I can't even believe I did it before. Yeah, your wife.

[Allen]

Your body's probably saying no. Mind's also right.

[Don Hahn]

He might want to eat 100 buffalo wings. We can't do it. I Don't even know if he wants.

[Allen]

To do that anymore. But on that note, listen, we're not going to talk to you next Thursday because it's Thanksgiving. So we want you to have a great Thanksgiving with you and your family. Yeah, man. We appreciate you on the other end.

[Damian Woody]

All right, sounds good. You guys enjoyed the holiday as well.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks, man.

[Allen]

That's Damien Woody. And the Damien Woody Report is brought to you by bet365. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at bet365. Now, I'm never anxious to let D Wood because I enjoyed the segment, but I'm really curious about the tease that Peter.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah, baby. Before D. Wood.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I'm calling down to the carpet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I love it.

[Don Hahn]

And also, by the way, is there any bigger, like, in terms of just tone, could there be any bigger difference between our two football guys, Booger and D. Wood? Like, Booger's sound is I hate you. Let's finish this up. Yeah, let's ask me the questions, morons.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to talk.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, man, you guys all want to hang after the show? Like, the tone is just. And I'm not saying they don't like us. Yeah, they're both good. They may like us equally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I actually, they have equal disdain. You just can't tell one guy.

[Don Hahn]

That's exactly right.

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Damian Woody]

You ever watch YouTube channel?

[Don Hahn]

We hope you're with us. We enjoy you greatly. We enjoy entertaining for the people. Now, Don, I said I had something to call you on the car before. That's saying that straight. That's saying it a bit harshly.

[Allen]

Okay, let me be more specific. Okay, you're not wrong.

[Don Hahn]

I can't say that you're wrong with what you said. Okay, I can just say I'm going to describe it as this, a strange pull.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like that.

[Don Hahn]

When we were talking about great tight ends, players who changed the game, took it to a different level. Don brought up Jay Novacek? Yeah. And I was almost like, did he mean Jason Whitten?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Novacek?

[Allen]

That was good, too.

[Don Hahn]

No, Novacek was good. He was good, but he wasn't even close to the category of guys we were talking about.

[Allen]

Because I was trying to give an example. A guy that I believe was a great clutch tight end. But because there were so many hall of Famers on the team and the ERA didn't really focus on the tight end. Like, I think if you put Jay Novacek at the same time as Gronk, I believe he could have excelled. Maybe not to the level of Gronk, but I think he was a terrific, terrific underrated tight end who did so many things well.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Allen]

But was underappreciated because you had Emmett Smith and you had Michael Irvin and you had Harper. Like, there was so many great players that. But if you want. If you. I want support from Cowboy fan. If you were like, anti cowboy, like me, who hated them, you know, that was a guy that. That he always. Third and seven would catch it.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's.

[Allen]

But that's seven and a half for a first. And all I'm saying is, is that you're never going to appreciate guys like that because now with the kids, they'll look at the numbers and say, well, that's. Obviously, we throw him away. Well, no, don't throw those guys away because they were outstanding at what they did. It was just a different place. And so tight end is because Alan brought it like the tight end to the level of Gronk is What, the last 15, 20 years?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'd say about. Yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Novichek retired in the mid-90s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

So his last year was 95. And he was a very nice player. I just thought at the time when we were having the conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. That you could have said a lot of other names.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I mean, like. But I. But it was. The reason it was a strange poll is because it was one that affected Don personally. He has those moments when Novacek killed him and those. And those people stick in your crawl.

[Allen]

In a different way, and you think.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They'Re better than they really were. Even they. They looked like world.

[Don Hahn]

Although Gronk was that guy and did it to me, I mean, I remember a Patriots Redskins game. I swear to God, I remember a play where they might have been Fred Smoot. He just dragged him down the field. Smoot was just hanging on to the back of his leg as Gronk's just pulling an entire safety or cornerback. So I. But I understand the point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I Think of Al Crumpler. I think of, like, what he. Like four guys are, like, hanging on him and he's just dragging them down the field for three yards.

[Don Hahn]

Did you just say algae Crumpler?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think I did, yeah. Yeah. That's a strange poll. It's a strange. Paul.

[Allen]

I'm just saying, you ask Giant fans of my age. Listen, I was being. I was being a dad guy, you know, not dad joke, but like that time where your dad wants to show you a lesson so he kind of goes to something that he's passionate about. And I've always been the big. I always thought he was way underrated as a player, and I just couldn't stand him as a Giant fan. But I'd love to hear from a 50ish Cowboy fan on whether they support me or not.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no, I'm sure that. Well, you know what I like?

[Allen]

What you. I think this could be a great segment. No, strange poll.

[Don Hahn]

Strange poll.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Could be stranger polls.

[Allen]

I love the music. What?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, it's been a day. Yeah.

[Allen]

The only reason it's on his mind is because he just did it.

[Don Hahn]

That's not strange. Now, that would be strange. You said you wanted to hear from a Cowboys fan. Well, we do have Heather Babbles, who's a Cowboys fan. Hey.

[Allen]

Okay, but she's too young to remember.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, she's calling about CD and George Pickens.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

What's up, Heather?

[Heather Babbles]

What's up, guys? So, listen, in professional sports, it ultimately comes down to wins and losses and the almighty dollar. So do you think Jerry Jones is going to have his new coach bench two of his best receivers as, like, a sign of discipline?

[Allen]

No.

[Heather Babbles]

So he probably said, sit him for a few minutes and that was that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's exactly what happened. And they won the game. Yep.

[Heather Babbles]

And they definitely need a W now. Peter, don't hang up on me because I am a Cowboy.

[Don Hahn]

I will not hang up on you.

[Heather Babbles]

Okay, good. And I. And I won't reveal my age, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Heather Babbles]

I'm waiting for, like, I'm sitting in my driveway now. I've been home for, like, 25 minutes and I hear Don talking and everything, but, you know, I was just kind of thinking.

[Damian Woody]

Just.

[Heather Babbles]

And I heard Damian say, too, like, talent gives you a long leash. And this is maybe not directly related, but indirectly. So if you think of, like, a high school kid that's on a football team, maybe he tries really hard. He goes to every practice. He's got a little bit of talent, but he has a great attitude. But I don't care if you have a kid who's on the team that has a bad attitude. Or maybe not so great an attitude, but he's talented. Who do you think gets the most playing time because the coach wants the w. That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you stay in the car in the driveway all this time?

[Heather Babbles]

I did. I texted my husband and I said, come out and get the food. I'm on hold. And my husband called me a stalker.

[Allen]

Well, you know, he's not wrong. But you know what? We do appreciate it. And I love the fact that you stayed.

[Don Hahn]

I love that today she brought it. She put the babbles in.

[Allen]

Heather babbles today. Now, hopefully what she was doing when she was in the driveway, she was sitting in a Mazda. She got a Ramsey Mazda selection.

[Don Hahn]

I was gonna say hopefully her husband was getting a strange.

[Allen]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Don Hahn]

I thought he dropped again.

[Allen]

He dropped 711 MSRP 31 0700. Security deposit and 12, 125. Just around the corner, guys.

[Don Hahn]

All right, you know what else is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just around the corner? Corner?

[Don Hahn]

What's that? Bnn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Damian Woody]

What the f.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Stephen in Melville. What's up, Stephen?

[Damian Woody]

Hey, guys.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, buddy.

[Caller]

Wait, I got really low the volume.

[Don Hahn]

No, you're.

[Caller]

Yeah, the last time I called up, I was not high. I was pooping in my pants. Because every once in a while when I call. I mean, sometimes, I mean, I could totally, like, bl. Run at the mouth, but other times I was in the middle of doing something, I was really concentrating. All of a sudden you're like Stephen and Melville.

[Don Hahn]

And I was like, oh, okay. We were taking you literally. All right, so the, the thing you were in the middle of was not actually pooping in your pants.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, just. Just clarifying that. Good. Okay, now we can move on.

[Allen]

Thank you.

[Damian Woody]

All right, so I got it.

[Caller]

I want to like, kind of bit not bash Don, but go add Don and prop him up so he, he brought up Jay Novacek.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Damian Woody]

As.

[Caller]

And I'm like thinking, wow, you know, and, and, and, and, and Joe Montana.

[Allen]

Right.

[Caller]

Also, earlier I was scared. I'm a Giants fan and I was scared. And I want to use the word again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller]

But I was. He made me poop. In my pants.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This seems to happen a lot.

[Caller]

Yeah, it happens a lot. I, I was terrified of that man. And I think he's one of the greatest of. No, okay, forget that.

[Allen]

He was.

[Caller]

Forget that. Let's talk about who's the most scariest competitor. I could not enjoy Michael Jordan's career right. As a Knick fan because I just hated him and I couldn't enjoy it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On the high depends. We're going to let you get really scared.

[Don Hahn]

We're going to let you get back.

[Allen]

To moving stories, have a happy ending in your past. You know, the reason I know he's high is because high time it. You're. You get paranoid. And he'd rather let people think he pooped himself than the fact that he was.

[Don Hahn]

This is, this is becoming an all time show trying to prove you're high.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got.

[Allen]

You can't have that call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no.

[Don Hahn]

That was, that was. I can't believe that was his way. He's going to prove it. And then he's like. He's like. Because Joe Montana used to. And you know what I'm gonna say Jordan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know, he couldn't finish a sentence.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, man, that was great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was all racing in his head.

[Don Hahn]

I showed up today, I didn't know what to expect. And what I've gotten is the most fun three hours I've had.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the open that we had in mind.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that was nice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was fine. But that's good for like basic rating.

[Allen]

We might use it tomorrow. We don't know it's evergreen.

[Don Hahn]

But this is. This has been great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to Badan, Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

I don't want to know how the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter. Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.