Hour 3: Don't Watch This Season

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 3: "Don't Watch This Season"

Date: October 6, 2025

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode dives deep into the ongoing misery of New York sports fans, focusing on the disastrous starts for the Jets and Giants football franchises, and the intense scrutiny faced by Aaron Judge and the Yankees following postseason struggles. The hosts blend fan frustration, media narratives, and old-school sports talk with pointed analysis and plenty of bleak humor. Throughout the hour, callers commiserate, joke, and demand answers, while Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg debate what hope (if any) remains for New York sports.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. The Jets’ Orchestrated Tank and Fan Expectations

Timestamps: 00:44 – 13:07

• The hosts lay out how the Jets’ disastrous 0-5 start isn’t a shock to the front office (“They told you. Don’t even look here. We're not ready. It’s not done yet. Dinner’s not done yet. Go back to watching. Don’t even watch this season.” — Don, 00:59).
• They highlight the disconnect between fans’ optimism and reality, blaming inflated expectations on media/fan hype, not organizational signaling.
• There is talk of the Jets holding the #1 overall draft pick, but dissatisfaction with the coming QB class (“This is not a year to be the number one pick if you need a quarterback.” — Alan, 10:33).

Notable Insight:

• The Jets never “sold hope” this year—this was always going to be brutal, and any fan disappointment is more about wishful thinking than real promises.

Quote:

“You guys said, ‘Oh, we can win eight games.’ That’s on you. The Jets never gave any indication at all they were going to be any good.”
— Don, 03:35

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2. Coaching, Discipline, and the Same Old Mistakes

Timestamps: 04:07 – 13:07

• New head coach Aaron Glenn’s pre-season promises to cut down on mistakes and penalties have become ironic as the team remains undisciplined.
• The Jets made NFL history as the first 0-5 team to not create a single turnover. (“First team in the history of football ... to be 0-5 and not turn the opposition over. How do you do that in this league?” — Don, 04:23)
• Justin Fields’ acquisition is discussed; hosts ridicule the notion he could be a franchise QB, pointing out his lack of awareness and inability to adjust at the line.
• The risk of organizational “rot” if the team tanks too long: Losing breeds losing, and even talented players might sour on the franchise.

Quote:

“All throw seasons away, get the draft pick, lose games. Guys, sometimes you just gotta win for your own psyche. You can’t work this hard every week ... it just kills a team.”
— Don, 12:20

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3. The Giant’s Similar Woes & Future Hope

Timestamps: 13:07 – 14:47; 40:30 – 41:43

• The Giants’ futility is contrasted with a slim hope of a rebuild around a young QB, Jackson Dart. Concern that playing Dart too soon, behind a weak line, could backfire (“I feel like this guy might get thrashed ... they’re going to be putting him in predicaments that he shouldn’t be in,” — Tessa, 39:06).
• Both teams’ defenses, expected to be strengths, have become liabilities. Hosts and callers lament missed opportunities and poor coaching adjustments.

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4. Talent Dilution in the NFL — Too Many Teams, Not Enough Players?

Timestamps: 17:49 – 25:01

• Don questions if the NFL’s expansion has outpaced the available talent pool, since football draws almost exclusively from North America, unlike other global sports.
• Alan notes: "Bart Scott says all the time that the league now is dumber than it’s ever been. The athletes are better, but what he watches: the decision making ... there’s not enough guys in the league now ... that can do that.” (21:57, Alan).
• Football's unique physical demands allow “run through a wall” types, but true game intelligence is rare, especially at QB and linebacker.

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5. The Aaron Judge/Yankee Standard Debate

Timestamps: 28:00 – 35:11

• The hosts and callers discuss the “impossible” standards Yankees stars face, especially Aaron Judge, post-season heroics versus legends of the past.
• Callers are divided; some defend Judge, others say he must win a ring to enter true Yankee lore.
• Monument Park ranking and the narrative of “the next one” in Yankees tradition discussed: If Judge never wins, what’s his legacy?
• Comparisons to Don Mattingly—beloved despite ringless career—versus the higher bar for Judge, who joined after the dynasty years.

Quote:

“He’s supposed to be the next one ... Ruth, DiMaggio, Mantle, Jeter ... and he hasn’t lived up to it yet. And so now people are going to get more and more frustrated every time they fall short. He’s going to wear it.”
— Alan, 31:46

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6. Old-School Fan Meltdowns, Humor, and New York Sports Misery

Throughout Episode

• Listeners call in to vent, sometimes hilariously (Jay apologizes to his wife and church guests for a post-Jets rant, 45:41–46:45).
• Tales of franchise curses and desperation, referencing “the deal Namath made with the devil” and joking about the need for “an exorcism.” (Don, 47:27)
• Historical asides, like the Brooklyn Dodgers’ only World Series win, and George Steinbrenner’s legacy as both savior and destroyer of the Yankees.

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MEMORABLE MOMENTS & QUOTES

• Jets to Fans:
  “Don’t even look. Go shopping ... there was almost zero promotion.” — Don, 08:15

• On Modern NFL Talent:
  “Are there too many teams? ... Is there enough talent to fill these rosters, compared to the other sports?” — Don, 19:13

• On New York Football Coaching:
  “Why can't we make in game adjustments? ... I'm starting to feel like this is 1000% on the coaches.” — Tessa (caller), 39:06

• Fan Meltdown:
  Jay (caller, 45:41): “We have a five-day-old. I was holding her, she was sleeping ... I went into a complete nuclear profanity lace rant when Breece Hall dropped the ball in front of church people.”

• On Steinbrenner & Yankees Mythology:
  “Yankee fans have morphed the two Steinbrenners into one. Like super Steinbrenner ... all the meanness, all of the accountability, the ripping in the players.” — Don, 44:15

• On NFL Defensive Gaffes:
  “But defensively, there's enough bodies there that you should not look this bad defensively ... these are all the fundamental things that ... you can then point to coaching and say ... the answer right now is, no, it's not.” — Alan, 07:44

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• Jets tank / fan expectations: 00:44 – 04:06
• Jets, penalties, coaching failure: 04:07 – 07:44
• Justin Fields critique: 05:53 – 07:44
• Jet, Giants’ rebuild, tanking: 11:07 – 13:07
• NFL talent pool dilution: 17:49 – 23:16
• Fan calls / Yankee standards & Judge debate: 28:00 – 35:11
• Giants futility and defensive issues: 39:01 – 41:43
• Fan stories and historic asides: 41:43 – 47:11

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OVERALL TONE & STYLE

True to the personalities of Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg, the hour is a rapid-fire, no-nonsense, irreverent therapy session for New York sports fans—equal parts gallows humor, heated debate, and nostalgia for when things seemed less dire. The hosts are blunt but passionate, with constant call-backs to the rich, tortured history of New York sports.

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SUMMARY FOR NEW LISTENERS

If you missed this episode, you missed an in-the-trenches commiseration session for the hardest-hit fans in sports, featuring sharp banter, self-aware cynicism, and open mics for listeners to join in the venting. The hosts are dead serious about New York’s sports pain, but never take themselves too seriously.

Transcript

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[Alan Rosenberg]

Seven or eight.

[Don Hahn]

And now they're owing five. And what are you doing? You're tearing a new one because they didn't live up to your expectations. And the one thing I'll say about the jets that we completely overrated, I'm as guilty of as anybody else. Oh, there's talent here. Oh, if we get the right coach, the right quarterback. Oh, you don't listen. You got nice players. And I'm not saying you're talentless by any stretch of the imagination, but you're not a good football team. Not yet. And maybe you got the coach. We'll see. But it's tough to watch. And what you are wasting though is at least the Giants are going to be brutal this year. But the hope is at the end of the rainbow is going to be a shiny new toy in Jackson Dart that you can get excited about that you can build around. Justin Fields isn't going to be here.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Nor should he.

[Don Hahn]

And now you might get the first overall pick in the draft because already you're eyeballing, you know, Tank, what's. What's that website? Tank a thon. Whatever.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Because Tennessee won and New Orleans won, so you're the only winless team in the NFL.

[Alan Rosenberg]

At least there's no lottery to screw that up.

[Don Hahn]

But I don't know if Arch Manning is going to be all that, and I'm not sure this could be a great quarterback. But, hey, listen, you might have the first overall pick in the draft because that's worked out in the jets history so well. So I can understand your frustration, but please, all the people. And I'm not going to. I'm going to name names, but you know who you are. Oh, this is the worst Jet season ever. They're impossible to watch. Yeah, I get it. But, dude, you're the same people saying they're going to win seven, eight games. That's on you, man. That's on you. Because if you built yourself up because, oh, like Alan says, the blood on the ground. Blood on the ground. We got Aaron Glenn. He might be a good coach, but the reason they dumbed it down was because they knew that they weren't going to be good. They got rid of Aaron Rodgers. They wanted zero expectations. They went and got Justin Fields because you have to have quarterbacks on your roster. It's kind of a rule, you know, you don't want to go and run the Wildcat every single day because they wanted to soft shoe it. Have a brutal season. Not tanking, but just, hey, I want my. I want my head coach to learn. I want my offensive coordinator to learn. Both are, you know, wet behind the ears and just go in there and we'll eventually figure it out. Like Detroit did with Campbell and Glenn and everybody when they were brutal. And then eventually they're playing in the championship game. That's the end game. But you guys said, oh, we can win eight games. That's on you. The jets never said that. They never gave it any indication at all they were going to be any good.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Any good.

[Don Hahn]

But the one frustrating thing, Allen and Peter, is that Michael K. Had a great line. Glenn ran his campaign going in. He ran on this. We're going to cut down on the mistakes. We're going to cut down on the penalties.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's the issue.

[Don Hahn]

And it just. It's the same old song and dance to me. The bull over in the red zone committing dumb penalties. And oh, by the way, the first team in the history of football, and they've been playing football a long time to be 05 and not turn the opposition over. How do you do that in this league? Wherever they're hand mutable some. Some running backs and wide receivers are dropping the ball before the goal line. They throw, they. They throw an intentional safety for you. But not to the Jets.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What you said there about. It's to me always what it looks like. Because the records, the record, like if you're just not talented enough, if you're not good enough, that's one thing. If Fields kind of you, you're. You're seeing if something clicks and if it doesn't, you just kind of stuck. It is what it is. It's the fact of what it looks like. It's exactly what you said with Glenn. Talking about new sheriff in town, how we're going to be a discipline. This was an undisciplined team last year. Took too many penalties and all the stuff that they was gonna. They were gonna eradicate. And it got worse, not better. That's the stuff that gets you frustrated, gets you mad. That's the. That's the same old Jets. That's what gets you disgusted, is that you could be. You could be bad when it comes to. You can't win. And like week one was, I joked about the moral victory. Everybody was so caught up in that game. The moral victory, how it really looked good. Boy, if they could play like that every week. Problem is, they're playing like that every week.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And you're not gonna win that way. And I try to just try to tell people, did they win the game? No, that's the object. It just always looks like they aren't ready to play that. That like defensively, they overrun things as if they're shocked. That's what. What just happened on that play. And so they're chasing after things and almost like it's like at a panic. Instead of structure which doesn't exist. Steve Wilkes shouldn't have a job that's number one. Because this defense has way too. You don. You could say they're not a very good rock. That defense has too much talent on it now. Now on Muji, it's Brandon Stevens. That's a bad signing. Terrible. But defensively, there's enough bodies there that you should not look this bad defensively. Offensively, I don't know what to tell you. Everybody wanted to believe that this was your quarterback. I kept trying to tell you there's a reason why he's on his third team in three years. It's not a lot. There's not a lot there. The guy can't throw. And guess what? Opposing teams know. They know he can't throw. The bigger problem I have with Justin Fields is that the line of scrimmage. When have you ever seen him move people because of what he sees the defense doing? When have you ever seen him just stop and point out something and tell somebody to come over here a little bit, move over here because that guy's coming? How many free runs from an outside edge has happened to him because he has no idea it's there? And the linemen don't know they're lined up. They have their assignments. Guy's got to pull. He's got to get somewhere. Well, he's never getting there, so I got to bring somebody over to give me some protection. He. It's just not there, man. It's not there. And so this is what you're living with. But the penalties and the mistakes and the turnovers and the lack of turnovers or forcing them, those are all the fundamental things that. That you can then point to coaching and say to yourself, is this team being coached well? And the answer, obviously, right now is, no, it's not.

[Don Hahn]

Don. I'm just. I'm just glad Aaron Rodgers is gone. You know what I mean? Just glad we saw it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Like. Like that. That was. That was the very first thing that was done.

[Don Hahn]

Had to.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Was to get him out. But, yeah, it's. That's what. That's what Glenn wanted, and I'm sure Woody wanted it, too. And this is what happens now when you see nobody, see Roger.

[Don Hahn]

Franchises do.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, Rogers isn't here now to be the one that takes all the criticism. Now. Somebody else has to. And who is that guy?

[Don Hahn]

Well, I guess Aaron harp on it. They were telling you, don't even. Don't even look. Go. Go shopping. I agree with Don because again, there's nothing but Cowboy fans in the building. They knew that home games against the Steelers, home games against the Cowboy. It. There was a reason why there was almost zero promotion. There was zero talk. The only thing it frustrated me was like, Glenn with the tough talk about the penalties that ended up looking bad.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

But they didn't hype it up. They went out and got a quarterback that, you know, it's. It was. They thought would at least be serviceable. But that isn't even the case. And you just hope that this is a case of it gets worse before it gets better. That's what you have to hope for. But for both local teams, Pittsburgh Steelers are in first place. Who's their quarterback? A former Jet. Indianapolis Colts are in first place. Who's their quarterback? A former Giant. Right. How do we continue where the Seahawks above 500. Who's their quarterback? Former Jet. On and on we go. Well, the only thing that's aging pretty well is Geno Smith has not been good with the Raiders.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Not this year.

[Don Hahn]

But he's not this year. But he's already done his damage like so. Raiders have a lot of frustration and no matter what do I think Peter for a second that Daniel Jones would be doing this with the Giants? No, I don't. Same reason why I didn't think that Saquon Barkley would be doing what he did last year with the Giants. But when you look at Daniel Jones and mark my words, he's going to be comeback player of the year. And how does Indianapolis not go to the playoffs? How do they not. They're scoring north of 30 points a game. Right. They're four and one. Yep. You know, how does that look that you're searching for the quarterback you traded back into the first round to get a quarterback and the guy that you had that you weren't sure about, you were half pregnant on because you gave him a four year deal but can get out after two is now tearing it up in Indianapolis.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Tearing it up the better. The better part is at least the Giants have their quarterback. When you look at the big board and that melt. Mel Kuiper has done his. He's. I think it's. I don't know if it's come out yet but it should be soon. His quarterback rankings for next year's draft jets right now would be the number one pick, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

This is not a year to be the number one pick if you need a quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

Well, there's just a lot of other things too. So.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, but, but I mean when you.

[Don Hahn]

But every year you wait without figuring out the quarterback. Well.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And how many.

[Don Hahn]

You just don't know what the future is.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well and we all remember the year that the jets decided they were going to win a game and didn't get the number one pick, got the number two pick and ended up not getting the best quarterback available. Like this is the opportunity to get your guy is here. And of course it has to be in a year where it doesn't seem to be a really good draft.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I mean we don't know how long this slow Burn is going to be and maybe you'll get another crack in 26. It's just frustrating and God help me, it's tough though.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And then for a Jet, I don't know how you could possibly have any optimism. And you know they're not firing the coach. That's not happening. He's got to go through this and he's got to figure it out. But you're seeing there's. It's. He, he. I don't think he knew how hard this was going to be. And everybody on point, remember what happened. Dan Campbell, they were oh, 10 and 1. Like they, they took forever for them to get their first win. And once it caught, but it takes a while. This is going to look worse before it gets better.

[Don Hahn]

But all I'm saying for the Tank crowd who just lose, it erodes it corrodes it, diseases an organization.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Good point.

[Don Hahn]

He might be a good coach, but the more he loses, he starts losing confidence. Right now I'm sure Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner are saying, God, I re upped with this team.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You hear all this.

[Don Hahn]

How long is it going to be now?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Him, Breece hall, you got to hear them. They sound after games now. They just sound lost.

[Don Hahn]

It's kill and it just, it eats away. So all throw seasons away, get the draft pick, lose game. Guys, sometimes you just got to win for your own psyche. You can't work this hard every week. They're right now on a plane to London and they're going to land in London tonight. Peter, you've made that trip. Oh, sure. Tired, fatigued, disgusted with themselves and how they played and prepare to take on a Bronco team. Now listen, anything happens in London and if wacky things happen, right? But right now it doesn't look like it's a really great matchup for the Jets. Fly all the way to London. Prepare, lose, fly all the way back. Like it just gets to be too much. It just kills a team. So as much as you want that shiny new toy with the first overall pick, even if it was a year that you had, you know, the next generational quarterback.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Still, isn't it so typical though? Isn't it so typical that the year they could end up that you could actually get pick, it's a year we'll see where.

[Don Hahn]

But yeah, let's. You know, you don't know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

There's no kid, you don't know where.

[Don Hahn]

We'Ll land in January. There may be someone excited.

[Alan Rosenberg]

There's no Joe Burrow.

[Don Hahn]

I got it because, because of. Unfortunately because of Recent history. I've got to preface this by saying I'm joking. But watching that Cardinal Tennessee game, boy, that did not look on the up and up. That's like if you told me there was a game on the board yesterday that wasn't on the up and up the. I don't know if you saw it, Peter, because I know you were traveling. There was a. There's a lot of bad.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You see how the Cardinals lost that game?

[Don Hahn]

That was unbelievable. What went on in that game. The turnover. All I saw in the Tennessee one was the wacky turnover touchdown. That one. Well, the wacky turnover touchdown.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

But then, you know, dropping the ball.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The one yard line, 28 to 6.

[Don Hahn]

You know, Murray, Murray taking a snap off his face mask. Of course he had the drop at the one yard line.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The drop of the one yard line.

[Don Hahn]

Oh my.

[Alan Rosenberg]

By the way, who plays. Anybody out there that plays football? Please tell me why this is in that culture.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, why? Why is it so?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Why is it in the cult that you don't like when you get just to the line? There's some swag about.

[Don Hahn]

Is it like driving the mic? Is that what it is?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't like what is.

[Don Hahn]

I have a theory. I have a theory.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And if I'm a coach, I don't care if you cross the line and you get credited for the touchdown, then you flip it. No, I'm still fine in your ass. I'm still fine. Like you got to break those habits. This is theory, though, after week in this league.

[Don Hahn]

I have a theory about that specific one.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What?

[Don Hahn]

After watching that replay a few times. This is no excuse, by the way. This is my theory. After watching it a few times, guys, I think he felt like he was about to get caught and he almost was throwing the ball out of his hands. Like, look, I scored. Like he almost was gonna. I think he didn't realize how close the defender was to the end. And almost act as if by dropping the ball it meant the play was over. When it's like, no, no, you have to get into the end zone, guy. I mean, I'm not going to rule it out. Can you imagine a worst nightmare? Whatever the alternative, whatever my counter to what you just said would be, would be just as stupid, right? Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But that play in particular has happened consistently. It happened the week before. We have seen this over and over.

[Don Hahn]

It's got to be dropping the mic. It's got to be something like that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I can't understand.

[Don Hahn]

You're fired up all day.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What is it?

[Don Hahn]

I Don't know. I don't live if you want to run like I'm not a kid anymore. I don't know. I don't know why I need to think saying sauce is better than suspect. Are we. Did we lose years in our life when we take syllables off?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, everything.

[Don Hahn]

I don't. But that's gets cool. Say, man, that's sus. Man, that's cool. I got no other things that we stupid. But this. This play, a version of this play has been happening. So there must be something among the youth of America that thinks dropping the ball school. So the only thing I Of being the old man that I am is is there something like that you're dropped the mic moment like I scored. Boom. I'm dropping the football. Can you at least wait to get in the end zone?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Don Hahn]

I think we're almost giving it too much complete. You're just. I just hate when the answer's stupid because then that's too. That's too easy. I would like to. I would like to give people more credit than that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It is. It's as a 9 ass. A 10 as 11 assa. 12. It's the dumbest thing you could do on a football field. There's a lot of dumb things you can do. I know giving up six points for. For swag is a dumbest.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, a backflip. I. It irritates the other team.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But then I take the home run away.

[Don Hahn]

I. But. And maybe we see where the ball isn't out, but I could also see. All right, it kind of looks money. The bat flip kind of looks cool. So I see the end game there. All right. I see the end game in the spike. And even though I think it's stupid, everybody running after an interception, going 100 yards and, you know, taking the photo in the end zone but dropping a ball and you couldn't wait the millisecond. Like, not only. Not only do they want to do it, they can't wait to do.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

So it must. There must be a certain percentage of people that think it is the absolute coolest thing. It can't be that they just can't stop themselves from doing it, and they can't wait to do it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's dumb.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, I know I'm old, but I don't care.

[Caller]

Don.

[Don Hahn]

Also, two things. One, you teased us with another thing that you said you just. Something's going on in football and you wanted to tell us what it was.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And number. And number two, I know we've talked about this already quite a bit over the course of the season. Another moment on how insane the field goal thing is. It truly is. Now that 55 is 45, forget it. It's unbelievable. The NFL, honestly, the NFL should have extra points, be at the midfield and why not, right? But what I was going to say, certainly 40, 40 feels reasonable for an extra point at this point. Since we're on the topic of just how bad football is right now, not just in New York, but if you watch these games, how many point deficits were blown and how many penalties and how many turnovers? And the excuse always was going back to Steve Young was that, well, this is extended preseason. They only play three preseason games and they don't do two A days anymore. But it's been going that we got rid of two A days a decade ago. Okay? And we've played three preseason games now for three years. And it seems like we're going deeper into the season with bad football and really bad teams. Epically bad teams. And I was thinking about it, you know, when the NHL expanded to 32, they asked the question, is there enough talent to fill these rosters with 32 teams? Well, the NHL is taking from North America and Europe and basketball, they only got 15 guys on a roster. And they're taken from Asia, they're taken from Europe and of course North America. And baseball, they're taking it from the Caribbean and Asia. Where are we getting talent in the NFL?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Texas.

[Don Hahn]

Honestly, nobody outside North America plays it. All right, I know they're trying to expand that, but I'm sorry, I would say the rosters are overwhelming. 99.9% the United States and a few from Canada. Right. Not every high school has a football team because it's really expensive. I would say of the four major sports, Peter, correct me if I'm wrong, I would say participations probably the NFL's. Football's probably third. Because I've organized football. I'm not talking about playing a nerf ball on Eckington Avenue. I'm talking about playing football. Right. As much as kids don't play baseball anymore. Every high school team has every. Every high school's got a baseball team. Every high school's got a basketball team. Not every high school is a football team. And I've got to fill 32 teams with 53 players, not counting practice squad. Are there. Is there enough talent in the world to fill all these rosters? So we're Talking about no 2 a days, not enough preseason games, yada yada yada. Is there just. Are there too many teams? Are there too many roster spots? Is there enough talent to fill these rosters, Peter, compared to the other sports, when you're, when you're not taking from the same pool, you joke. Texas, that's where they all come from. Texas, Florida, baseball. Similar, but at least baseball could take from Asia, in the Caribbean. Where are we getting all these football players? It's a really interesting point. I've never heard anyone describe it that way. I never heard anybody say. I was thinking about it over the last couple of days and I'm like, how am I wrong? Everybody loves football. But how many people play honestly in this room now? How many of you played organized football? I'm not talking about throwing the ball in the backyard. I'm talking about wearing a helmet, shoulder pads, having a game plan, practice, play. How many? There's five of us here. How many did it at any level? How many? I'm at zero. I'm at zero. It was senior league before I went to high school, and then Don Bosco Tech didn't have a football team. We couldn't afford it. We didn't have a football team. So of the five of us here, I played. I have not played organized football since I was 13 years old. But we all love football. But baseball, we all play baseball. We all played basketball on some level. Right? So where are these guys coming from? And you, you brought a good point. You're like, but there's not that many skilled positions, but you still need skill to play a position. An offensive lineman may not be a skill position, but it takes a skill to play it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it's taught. Like, again, you, you find the big kids, you know, the 6, the 64 kid who's 300 pounds or 280 pounds, they're going to teach them.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

They're gonna, that's, that's the, like, they're.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Gonna find, like, that's, that's what you do is you find those guys, you find the runners, you find like, all the different, you know, like. And you can teach certain positions. There are some, though, that you really have to have a working knowledge, you know, Bart Scott says all the time that the league now is dumber than it's ever been. He's like, the athletes are better, but what he watches decision making and reads and the inability to read. Like, he says, he's about linebackers like himself, who. All right, I know what he's going to do. I say, I know this. We watch film, we know what they're doing. He's like, there's not enough guys in the league now from team to team that can do that. So I don't know how to. I mean, it's a really interesting observation you made because you would think the percentage of Americans per professional league, the NFL has got to be by far the largest out of the four majors.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

By far. But yet it's. What skilled positions do you really need as far as like a true talent, like where it's mental and physical. Quarterback, probably like, you know, a middle linebacker.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Like think about like that, where you really have to know plays and understand, like, think like a coach on the, on the field. Everything else is taught but the physicality of that sport.

[Don Hahn]

I know, like you have to have all that, but. But you got to have the brains to do it too. Well, yeah, you know, million dollar arm, 10 cent head. You always heard that. And it was probably back in the day where you would cut a guy because he just didn't have the acumen to do it. Can you afford to cut the talent now?

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's. And I don't want to think it's the one sport though, or really, if you think about it skill wise in baseball, if you can't hit a ball, if you can't and that you act like that's easy to do, it's not hitting a ball, hitting a pitch ball is one of the most difficult things. So you have that. In basketball, you, if you're short, very little chance. So you have to have that just built in physically. Right. Hockey, if you can't skate, you have no chance, zero chance. So football's the one sport that if I can run as fast as I can and into another human being and knock him down, and I like it enough to get up and do it again, and I don't need like two seconds to catch my breath.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you're a psycho. I got a shot real quick. Also, after this week, we asked last week, who do you know, who do you 100% trust in the NFL? I think we had the Bills on that list last week. Right. And the Eagles.

[Alan Rosenberg]

100% trust.

[Don Hahn]

The bill just lost a home game. And I listen, I think Patriots are better. You 100% trust them.

[Alan Rosenberg]

100% trust the bills.

[Don Hahn]

Athena's never been. Alan, you are filled with bad football takes today. I'm sorry, his Giants take was bad. He did that. Loss is fine. That's not one you worry about. And now you 100% trust the bills yesterday.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We'll see how it ages.

[Don Hahn]

Wow, he's got remote muscles.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He does, doesn't he? You know they're going to be far away for a while.

[Don Hahn]

He's a big day and he's swinging it down there. I'll tell you what.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Good for you. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

100% trust the bills after yesterday versus.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Who, by the way. Versus who?

[Don Hahn]

But that's not the question.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, what do you mean?

[Don Hahn]

The question is trust them in a big spot to not like they did last night.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Trust does matter when you talk about against who. Because if it's just trust what? Trust to do what? Trust to beat anyone else? Yeah, to beat. Look at the better of the league right now. Who's your killer? The Ravens are dead.

[Don Hahn]

Dead.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Is Control Burrow gone? The Chiefs?

[Don Hahn]

Gone.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What are they? We'll watch them.

[Don Hahn]

We don't know. Detroit? Detroit?

[Alan Rosenberg]

We thought they'd be good. Where are they? The Broncos. They have a good defense early in the season. Let's see how that ages.

[Don Hahn]

This is why.

[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

All right, in case you're just joining us only on until 6 because we got the Phillies and Dodgers. Game 2 as the Dodgers came back. Hey, Oscar Hernandez with a big three run home run to win that game one in Philadelphia after it looked like the Phillies were on their way to a win. So let's line up the calls here. 1-800-919-3776 and let's talk, let's see who we go to. Let's go to Wayne up in British Columbia, one of my favorite places in the world. You're on ESPN New York. What's up Wayne?

[Caller]

Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. I really appreciate it.

[Don Hahn]

I'll be up there in January. Want to get coffee or something?

[Caller]

Hey, where we live, where I live in the Okanagan, we rarely get snow in the wintertime, believe it or not. So come on up, we'll take you skiing and then golfing the same day. I appreciate your call. I am a regular listener but a first time caller. I'm a huge day fan but I'm not there rubbing in. I'm the exact opposite. I, I was listening to Michael K. Earlier this morning. I couldn't get into his show but some I use it plenty more on called hammering Aaron Judge. Just trashing them like crazy and saying trading. You know, we take him anytime.

[Don Hahn]

You know, he's arguably the one of.

[Caller]

The, well, not arguably one of the best two hitters in the game. Yankees wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him. And you know, they, I compare him to Vlad Guerrero's regular season. You know, Guerrero was expected to get all these home runs and at the beginning of the season he didn't. But he was still putting the ball in play, hitting the ball, getting some ribby. Well, you know, if Aaron Judge had guys in front of him on a regular basis, yes, I know he struck out with the bases loaded, he'd be getting the ribbies. You know, he's putting the ball in play, he's hitting it. He's not getting the dingers yet. But you know, he's, I say the best hitter in the league. And so for that guy to take it like that, I, I was absolutely amazed. You know, I think that guy, when he comes off his medication, he might think twice about.

[Don Hahn]

You got to understand something, Wayne. There's a certain standard that Yankee fans have for their players and it's about the postseason and there's no other team that is measured that way in baseball because Nobody else has 27 championships and nobody recently has won four championships of five years like the Yankees did at the end of the 1990s. Jeter's got rings. A rod even got a ring at some point. Reggie, Mr. October, Yogi Berra with his ten rings. All the greats, with the exception of Dom Mattingly have rings. And let's be honest, love Donnie Baseball. He's not. He's not Aaron Judge. So it is odd to have somebody who is looked upon as the best in the game wearing pinstripes, doesn't have a ring. But it's even odder that Yankee fans are eviscerating him as the reason why they're down 2. Oh. In this series, considering that they've given up 23.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. Again, I feel like today is the day to venture. I don't feel like this is. I don't think this is the popular opinion. I think for some fans who take this stuff so personal, a weekend like this is embarrassing. Embarrassing. And like, remember what Winthrop said? The range of emotion from Friday to today, that's incredible. And so some people can't handle that. They feel you let me down. And he's the easiest target because of who he is. And then he had that at bat that we'll never gonna forget about history. And so. Yeah. And then. Right. And his. His reputation precedes him. So, like, I just. Get it out of your system. But you know, deep down you don't really feel like that. Like those who are trying to just kill Aaron Judge or wanting. What would George have said and all that stuff.

[Don Hahn]

It's a bad timing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Get it out of your system. But you know, deep down you don't feel.

[Don Hahn]

Because Don Mattingly is beloved in this town, beloved by Yankee fans. Probably the only Yankee that is loved to that level, that never won. They blame the Yankees for that more than they blame Donnie Baseball. Because the one time he did make the playoffs, he raked against Seattle. Yeah, but it was a different time. The Yankees had not won a title since 1978.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, they were just happy to be there.

[Don Hahn]

Judge comes along after the team won, you know, four championships in five years. And they won in 2009. Perennial playoff team. And it's easier to make the playoffs now than it was during Don Matting. Dominic didn't have a wild card till the final year of his career.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's supposed to be the next one. That's what. That's. That's the feeling. You're all. You're supposed to be the next one. You're supposed to be the next one. Which means it's your turn now to be the Ruth DiMaggio mantle Jeter, it's easier for those guys and he's not. And he hasn't lived up to it yet. And so now people are going to get more and more frustrated every time they fall short. And he's going to wear it because he's the face of this. And that's look, like I said, I can't. Like that's all it is. He's going to wear it. A lot of stars go through this, especially in New York. You're going to hear about it.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You're going to carry it.

[Don Hahn]

Alex heard about it and I always thought it was because Alex heard about it grown and they went out and got him. And how many championships they going to win? But you know, it's not. They don't win at the clip they did back in the DiMaggio and Mantle and Barad days. They don't win at the clip that they're in the Jeter days. I know it was the same teams going to the playoffs every single year.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it doesn't matter. It's just you're the next one. I don't think people want them to win five.

[Don Hahn]

They just wanted to win. Yeah, you got to get one.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's been seven or eight years. You got to get one.

[Don Hahn]

Well, Neil asks an interesting question. He's in the Bronx. You're on ESPN New York. What's up? Hey, Neil.

[Caller]

Good afternoon, gentlemen. I love Judge, I love him to death. But the Yankee standard is World Series of bus. And unlike Don Mattingly, Aaron Judge do have the pieces around him to get that accomplished. That being said, if Aaron Judge does not win one World Series when he retires, where will he rank in Yankee Lord greatness?

[Don Hahn]

He's not gonna be up there with the, I don't know how many numbers you want to go through.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's just gonna go to Monument Park. Just go to Monument.

[Don Hahn]

But he's gonna end up in Monument Park.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right, but would he. Where would he be among, like he's saying, ranked. So you go to Monument park, he'll.

[Don Hahn]

Be the next wrong.

[Alan Rosenberg]

20 years from now, 30 years from now, father takes his kids to Monument park and they go through all the Yankees. Is he spending any time at judges plaque versus the names?

[Don Hahn]

I just said before it is amazing. But you know what happens? Let me ask you this because he.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Hasn'T had a moment.

[Don Hahn]

All right, but let me.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What's the mom you're gonna tell him about? Oh, when he hit 62 home runs, what's the moment?

[Don Hahn]

It still could age. First of all, I think it's way early to say he's never going to win a championship. He might win a championship this year.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We're just living in the moment now.

[Don Hahn]

But living in that moment. You just said 20 years from now. Well, what if 20 years from now the Yankees still haven't won and the next great Yankee hadn't won and the Yankees and the next great Yankee wasn't nearly as great as Judge? Right. And you know, we're Talking about a 30 year long drought of championships that maybe they would appreciate Judge because Judge was just among many that haven't won since back in the day of the 2000s. I don't know. Or if the next guy comes and is only half a Judge, but wins three championships in seven years, you know what? He'll be the next great guy. I just think it would be.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't like this world. I don't want to know this.

[Don Hahn]

It would be, it would be a shame if Judge ends up doing what Judge does but doesn't win. And you're taking your son to a game in 2040 and Daddy, who's. There's a monument here that they haven't cleaned in a while and there's bushes in front. Who is this guy? Oh, that's Aaron Judge. He was just some loser that never won.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't know about that.

[Don Hahn]

Well, no, but, but can we like.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The focus on Judge we all agree is wrong. Right. Even though I think people are venting, but I still don't understand why Max Freed is just getting a pass. Why is he getting a pass? He's been good all year during the regular season. His history precedes him as well.

[Don Hahn]

And that's a guy that doesn't die. Right. It's the homegrown guy. Usually it's the homegrown guy that you give the benefit of doubt. It's the guy they got during the off season.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The highest paid left hander in baseball history.

[Don Hahn]

It's. Judge is just, it's everything about Judge.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's.

[Don Hahn]

He's the, he's a specimen, right? He's bigger than every other baseball player. He's got number 99. He just looks like a cartoon character up there. And it's just odd that this is the narrative. It's weird. And yet we're talking to people. These are the same people, like screaming, you should win the mvp. He just, you cannot go without comment like Judge, no matter what happens, there's gotta be conversation around him because of everything he represents, how big he is, the number he wears, his name right Aaron Judge. He's like. He looks like he's seven feet tall. He wears number 99. You know what I mean?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

How do you not comment? Something's gotta happen with him. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I just look at the pitcher who looked like he didn't want to be there in a big spot for his team. Didn't want to be there. That. That doesn't sit well.

[Don Hahn]

Judge gobbles up the room, man. No, if your name's we, we're five ten. And you're. You're 130 pounds soaking wet. You know what? Give me a drink. Give me a drink, kid.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I'm going to Baseball Reference now.

[Don Hahn]

Wee, wee.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yo, yo.

[Don Hahn]

But you know. Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

How.

[Don Hahn]

When did he play again?

[Alan Rosenberg]

An ought five.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don Hahn]

All right, let's get Back to the calls. 1-800-919-3776. Tessa in West Caldwell. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Tessa.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Thanks so much for taking my call. I appreciate you guys. Listen, I'm one of them fans with.

[Don Hahn]

My hands in the air like I need some help.

[Caller]

Like I really need some help because at the end of the day, the debacle with the Yankees and then on top of that with the Giants, like, I just don't understand what the Giant. Don. It's like, why can't we. We do anything consistent? Like, we can't even be like, they give us glimmers of hope one week and then the next week it's like they're dumping piles of manure over us. And it's just like, we're like, what's going on? Like, I just don't understand. And I think I just keep saying the same thing, guys, every week. Why can't we make in game adjustments and halftime adjustments? Everybody thrashes us the second half, I. E. The Saints, because they make the adjustments. And I'm starting to. And I just don't understand. I'm really starting to feel like this is 1000% on the coaches. It's because of the schemes, the play calling. They don't have it. They don't have it. And now it's like Jackson Dartmouth. I have never been a huge fan of starting him. Now I was with you guys, like maybe sixth or seventh week now I feel like this guy might get thrashed.

[Don Hahn]

Because I feel like they're going to.

[Caller]

Be putting him in predicaments that he shouldn't be in. I just don't understand why we're this terrible. Like, we're undisciplined. We can't do anything right. And I don't understand it. We have the pieces. We have talented pieces. The blue with Malik is catastrophic. But we can still do okay. Why can't we just. We need help. I don't know. The flag is waved, guys.

[Don Hahn]

My flag is waved.

[Caller]

I got a headache.

[Don Hahn]

Here's what I would focus on, Tessa, and that is you live with the mistakes from a young quarterback and a young running back. You hate. You hate to see Slayton make the mistakes that he made as a veteran. But where's this defense? Like I said earlier, your givens have to give. And if you got one of the best pass rushes according to Chris Collinsworth, and maybe he was hyper, hyperbolic, there's talent there that should be able to get to the quarterback. Abdul Carter was the third overall pick in the draft. What was Thibodeau? Peter 7. He was up there. You had a big trade to bring Burns here. And Burns, for the most part, has been good. They bring him over from Carolina and we all know how good Dexter Lawrence is supposed to be. So this isn't. Oh, I think these Guys are good. These guys are supposed to be very, very good. And they're all playing on the same defense that did not sack a saint yesterday. A quarterback that had not won an NFL game in 10 stars. That's Spencer Rattler. That's right. And he was owing 10. And his first win of his career is against the Giants. And you know what his friends are going to say is, well, maybe, maybe, maybe eventually you'll get a chance to beat an NFL team. Now let's go to Danny on Long Island. You're on espn, New York.

[Caller]

Oh God. There is much anger in the air.

[Don Hahn]

Why not?

[Caller]

It's all deserved. Listen, by the way, speaking of the Yogi Berry era, 70 years ago yesterday the bums won their only World Series in Brooklyn. The key moment of the game, the greatest catch in World Series history. Sandy Amorous Rob's Yogi Berra of a game tying double in the bottom of the seventh inning.

[Don Hahn]

Crazy. The World Series was over on October, October 5th.

[Caller]

Imagine that. If you don't believe me, Google it. But nobody summed up the day better than Griffin from Connecticut who took it up to an octave that I didn't think it was.

[Don Hahn]

Did we get a drop out of.

[Caller]

That, by the way?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, you. I, I hope so.

[Caller]

My dog, my dog, My dog started barking. My dog started barking. It got wild. But listen, I agree with, completely with you about the Giants use of inexperience, mistakes of inexperience, trying too hard, doing stupid things. But the kid threw two red zone touchdowns from inside the 10 yard line. That's a level of growth. Some, some people never have that ability to throw those tight windows. Everyone, everyone could throw the ball between the 30 yard lines. The game is designed to be flag football. It's when you get down, get down tight that he, he did that. But can we just take a minute to mention the greatest moment on television yesterday of football? When the Buffalo Bill fans stole the ball.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Caller]

On live television. And Torico announced it live. It was tremendous. I don't know whatever became of that, but that was, that was just tremendous football.

[Don Hahn]

I saw Danny. It was, it was one of the best things I've ever seen because they'll take the ball from you. And what an incredible item to have a ball you caught from Josh Allen if you're a Bills fan.

[Caller]

I love the information we got to find out what happened. And lastly, Peter, I agree with you completely. Having lived through the Steinbrenner era. I'm older than anybody. George Steinbrenner is a punchline on sign he was a complete buffoon, a bad guy. And they went longer under his reign from 1980 to 1995 without being into the World Series in any other time in their history. He was. I mean, I know he was George. We all love the whole thing, the English leather look. But he ruined the team. I just think of the Frank Costanza rant you trade J. Buena. It was true. It was so funny because it was true. So, yeah, I agree with you completely. What would George have done? George would have traded Judge three years ago because he went all that, four in one game. And we would have missed out on. That's what George would have done. He would have ruined it.

[Don Hahn]

Yankee fans, Danny, I've always said this. Have morphed the two Steinbrenners into one. Like super Steinbrenner. Yeah, they all the meanness, all of the accountability, the ripping in the players, a lot of that came during a time when the team wasn't any good and they weren't run right. And he kind of messed it up. And then the Steinbrenner that laid out and let his baseball people do the job and they won four championships in five years. And they've morphed them together as if it's the same human being.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Let me interject. No, what everybody remembers now is the Steinbrenner from the late 90s when the team was already built and already good. And he would have his little press conferences and say things and the players were just like, that's cute. They didn't see him as that guy anymore because nobody had to worry about him doing things. And he still would go out though, and write big checks to bring in big name guys. He's the guy that like had Roger Clemens right in the owner's box. Like, that's the stuff that everybody remembers. That legend. They forgot about the guy from.

[Don Hahn]

They weren't around for it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I mean, the Bronx Zoo era, right? They don't want to know about him because not enough people are old enough to remember that. And nobody wants to think about the guy through the 80s. They want to remember the old man who was funny. You know how it is. The old man on the neighborhood. He used to be like, mean. Now he's just funny. That's all that is.

[Don Hahn]

I forgot. I wanted to honor the tease Jay in the Bronx. What's the story, man? You got a little time? Go ahead, go for it.

[Caller]

Yeah, so real quick, I gotta apologize to my wife, Crystal. Yeah. We have a five day old. I was holding her, she was sleeping. We had people from her church home, including her mother, my mother in law.

[Don Hahn]

Her mother.

[Caller]

I went into a complete nuclear profanity lace rant when Breeze hall dropped the.

[Don Hahn]

Ball in front of church people.

[Caller]

In front of the church folks.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I understand completely. Jay. I understand, man. Go ahead though. Go ahead.

[Caller]

No, it was funny to the guys, but you know, it wasn't funny to us. Sorry I lost it. I wasn't. We already agreed on to watch all sports events in our little guest house. Not allowed to be. Especially if there's visitors. But I'm still in the doghouse and thought this might be a good five day.

[Don Hahn]

Five days is tough. That's a tough one to get up from, Jay. We appreciate you, Jay. I respect. And. And we are honored that you use this platform to apologize.

[Caller]

We always listen. So I know she. I text her and told her I was gonna do this. She hasn't responded back. Obviously.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We need her to call tomorrow.

[Don Hahn]

We've been there. I don't know what's word. Jay, thank you for the call and good luck.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Let's get her to call tomorrow.

[Don Hahn]

We need her to call to find out what she has to say.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Unless she wants to call on that guy.

[Don Hahn]

Five day old. They don't know up or down.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it's.

[Don Hahn]

But you can't have any energy around a five day old sleeping. That's bad. But the church folk that were there.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen, they need to know the football game's on. They need to know. You got to know you're walking into my house. The football game. Especially if anything can happen.

[Don Hahn]

Really?

[Alan Rosenberg]

And the jets are on. The Holy Ghost can't help that franchise.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I think. What? The Holy Ghost? That's not the problem. It's the deal that Namath made with the devil.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That could be it. We need an exorcism.

[Don Hahn]

What was the expiration?

[Alan Rosenberg]

House is clear. That's.

[Don Hahn]

Can I get. Can I get Griffin one more time before the show? Yeah. We gotta get it clean.

[Caller]

Whoopee do. I mean that.

[Don Hahn]

That's around for. I don't know what was a long time, Peter.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Maybe very little.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know. But if that's all we accomplished today, that's. That's a successful show. Yeah, I'll take that one. Did you guys see the photo I just sent you?

[Caller]

By the way?

[Don Hahn]

Glorious moment in my household. I gotta see this. I sent it to you. We're up against it, but we need.

[Alan Rosenberg]

To let him rip tomorrow even more. Well, keep calling. Get the frustration out.

[Don Hahn]

Peter, I know you've got a lot going on. Best of luck in your travels, man. We'll be thinking about you. Hey, listen, I hope I come back to more Yankees baseball. We shall see. We shall see. Don Hahn and Rosenberg. We got baseball coming up. Billy's Dodgers right here on ESPN New York.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.