Hour 3: Game 7 Greatness in Toronto

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Podcast Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 3: Game 7 Greatness in Toronto

Air date: November 3, 2025
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Theme: Reliving the legendary Game 7 in Toronto, unforgettable injuries that shaped seasons or franchises, and listener calls reflecting on the greatest moments in sports.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around the electric aftermath of Game 7 of the World Series in Toronto, widely hailed as one of the most intense, dramatic baseball games ever played. Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg (Don is not present this hour) break down the emotional rollercoaster of being a New York sports fan, debate the impact of catastrophic sports injuries, and highlight unforgettable plays and moments from recent (and not-so-recent) games. Listener calls bring in personal memories and raise classic sports questions, from greatest catches to the legacy of playoff heartbreaks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Game 7 in Toronto – “Rarified Air” (08:00–19:41)

• Electrifying Baseball Drama: The hosts and callers agree Game 7 delivered on every level, mixing tension, drama, and unbelievable plays.

• Memorable Defensive Play: Callers highlight the mind-blowing catch by a late-inning defensive substitute, comparing it to all-time great baseball catches.

  • "That was the greatest catch in the history of Major League Baseball. There is no other play... By another order of pontine, however you say that in Canada, for the rest of his life, he was going to be eating cheese curds for the rest of his life for free. And it got taken away from him." – Danny (12:23)

• Comparisons to Iconic Sports Moments:

  • The Ray Allen three-pointer in Game 6 of the NBA Finals is referenced as a similar moment of pure, heart-stopping sports drama.
  • Callers debate whether this catch, given the context and the “win or go home” situation, eclipses other legendary plays.

• The Unique Torture of Game 7s:

  • The hosts stress how nothing in sports matches the drama of a seventh game where “there is no tomorrow.”

  • “This was one team is going to lose, one team's going to win in this moment. Crazy.” – Hahn (09:02)

• Listener Memories: Callers reminisce about legendary games, including the Cubs’ 2016 World Series win, emphasizing how context and history amplify great moments.

  • “You can't beat the 2016 game seven between Cubs and Cleveland.” – Nick (17:00)

2. Sports Injuries That Changed Everything (02:12–07:55, 24:39–32:05)

• Heartbreak for NY Fans:
  • The agony of being a Jets fan is a recurring theme, with the Aaron Rodgers injury serving as a metaphor for decades of dashed hopes.
  • The conversation spins into a poignant debate about “franchise-altering” injuries in NY sports history:
    • Vinny Testaverde’s torn Achilles.
    • Patrick Ewing’s wrist injury (“That might have been the last true chance to win with him.” – Peter, 06:00).
• Across the Sports World:
  • RGIII’s knee injury with Washington, David Robinson/Sean Elliott’s injuries with the Spurs (which led to drafting Tim Duncan and launching Popovich's dynasty).
  • Listeners bring up Aaron Judge’s toe injury (“could have broken his own [home run] record”; 32:14).
• Athlete Instincts and Injury Prevention:

  • The hosts discuss how, especially for quarterbacks and running backs, learning how to fall and avoid catastrophic injury is an underappreciated art.

  • “There is a bit of an art form to it, but when you're constantly moving…” — Hahn (28:14)

3. Greatness Under Pressure: Pitchers and Legends (15:22–19:41)

• Madison Bumgarner vs. Yamamoto:
  • Debated as the greatest World Series pitching performance. The argument centers on rest, innings pitched, and postseason context.
  • “Yamamoto was obviously multiple innings plus. But yeah, yeah, Bumgarner, that's…a huge…to come in and pitch four or five innings of relief in game seven after pitching a complete game Game Five.” – Rosenberg (15:24)
• What Makes a Play or Performance Iconic?
  • How do context and history make certain moments unforgettable?
  • The hosts note that Game 7 itself could be a 30-for-30 documentary — “if I told you I’m gonna make this movie... nobody’s gonna believe it.” (18:56)

4. Coping With Sports Fandom & Changing Mindsets (02:53–05:02, 43:45–47:38)

• Emotional Resilience:

  • Peter reveals that repeated disappointment has made him “dead inside” as a fan:
    • “That broke you permanently. You never recovered...How can I be upset? I should know better. This is just what happens.” – Rosenberg (03:55–04:12)
  • Alan pushes back, still believing in hope after a change in Jets ownership.

• Jets and Giants Trauma:

  • The cyclical nature of hope and heartbreak for NY football fans.
  • Comparison to dealing with injuries: what silver linings do fans — and players — look for in the aftermath?

• Quarterbacks: Resurrection Stories:

  • Sam Darnold and Joe Flacco’s resurgence after struggling with the Jets – “He just looks like he has full command of that offense.” – Rosenberg (41:58)
  • Discussion on how NFL careers can revive with the right support and timing.

5. Listener Calls & Lighter Moments

• Caller “Danny’s 17-Minute Flex” (10:06–15:16):

  • Comic relief as Danny describes how his wife falling asleep allowed him to “watch the full game.” The hosts riff hilariously on the “flex” of a 17-minute tryst before sports time.
  • “17 is probably exaggerated. It’s probably nine, right? He went up to 17.” — Hahn (14:44)

• Honest Athletes and Openness About Injury (29:09–31:57):

  • The hosts note a new era where players, like Josh Hart, are more forthcoming about playing hurt.
  • “I certainly prefer the honesty.” – Hahn (31:54)

• Appreciating the Pure Joy of Great Sports (47:45–50:09):

  • “Unscripted. It was so…Oh, it was the best World Series I’ve ever seen, really. And I’m 70 years old and for me to be engaged with two teams, I could care less…” – Caller Richard (47:45)
  • “...This was like watching Sinatra or Michelangelo. It was beautiful baseball. There were no losers here. One was just a little more unlucky than the other.” – Richard (48:03)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Franchise-Altering Injuries:
  • “Maybe it's a true curse. Maybe it’s a real thing and I’ve just let go.” – Rosenberg (04:41)
• On Game 7 Energy:
  • “It’s rarefied air... this play is either going to win it or lose it. That’s it. There is no tomorrow for both teams, not just for one, not an elimination game." – Hahn (09:02)
• On the Catch That Changed Everything:
  • “I said Sandy Amoros’ catch...This is the greatest catch in the history of Major League Baseball—when you put in the totality of the circumstances.” – Danny (12:23)
• Sports as Ultimate Reality TV:
  • “Professional sports...It’s the greatest reality show in the world.” – Rosenberg (19:41)
• On Quarterbacks' Late-Career Surges:
  • “There’s some franchises that might think, ‘I could do worse [than Flacco].’” – Rosenberg (43:33)

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Key Timestamps

• Jets/Giants heartbreak and “the curse” – 02:12–07:55
• Greatest injury moments in NY sports – 05:26–06:46
• Moving into the Game 7 baseball discussion – 07:55–19:41
• Danny’s legendary call – 10:06–15:16 (including the 17-minute debate)
• Iconic pitching performances: Bumgarner/Yamamoto – 15:22–19:41
• Why “Game 7” is special; sports as reality TV – 17:00–19:41
• Listener brings up Cubs-Indians 2016 Game 7 – 17:00
• Injuries that changed franchises: RGIII, Judge, Admiral – 24:39–32:05
• Athlete intuition and learning to fall – 27:28–29:02
• Honesty about injuries (Knicks/Carl Anthony Towns/Hart) – 29:09–31:54
• Quarterback resurgences and management – 40:34–47:38
• Caller Richard’s love letter to baseball & final thoughts – 47:45–50:09

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Tone & Language

• Conversational and witty, with quintessential New York sports fandom edge
• Blends heartfelt sports nostalgia, exasperation, and playful ribbing
• Quick, irreverent banter, especially around personal stories and callers' quirks

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Final Thought

This hour shines as a celebration of what makes sports transcendent: the unlikely, the miraculous, and the heartbreakingly human. Whether it’s the agony of an injury, the catharsis of Game 7 drama, or the surprise joy of a random Tuesday night victory, Don, Hahn & Rosenberg remind listeners why they love – and hate – being sports fans, with every ounce of New York energy.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

You know, I don't get that like maybe I'm lucky and this means I don't have like alcoholic genes. I've got other problems, but I don't Ever get the drinking in misery? I like to drink for fun. I fortunately don't, so it's the opposite. So I'm like, once it's a nightmare. I'm like, I want to sober up now. It's like, I don't want to feel. I just want to go to sleep and not wake up tomorrow with a headache. I'm miserable now. The last thing I need to do is be miserable tomorrow. Over. Over. Get my team getting crushed and losing my three point pick. If you're just tuning in. Yeah. The word they're saying is that Daniel's avoided the worst of it. We'll find out more, I'm sure, from Shefty tomorrow on the exact details, but they're saying they don't think it's the worst.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So all of New York is just. It's waiting for that Shefty report.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't have to mock my. My news and my pain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. It's just. It's funny, though. You. You really. I've never seen you like this. Well, how would you really.

[Alan Hahn]

Should it really be surprising in 2012?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I am not surprised.

[Alan Hahn]

In 2012, my life was. Was made. I found my guy and he crumpled against the Seahawks. On that field.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

14, 13 years later, whole new life, new regime. Everything's better. Playing the Seahawks, It's a Sunday night. Again, New guy who's not even really like the old guy in a million ways.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And. And so it's like a. It's like a nightmare. It's like Halloween was Friday. Why. Why am I living a nightmare on Sunday?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I told you, I went numb when Aaron Rodgers went down.

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Didn't get right up and then started limping. I would say right in that moment, I said that. That. That's it. Like, that's it. I mean, that broke.

[Alan Hahn]

That broke you permanently.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'm telling. Because I kept saying you never recovered. How can I be upset? I should know better. This is just what happens. And so that did it for me. And I'm wondering, this hasn't done it for you yet because you're still, like, worried about the updates and all that stuff. You care.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, no, I know, but again, my ownership changed, so I believe that maybe that's. I don't believe in the curse anymore. I just believe this is an unfortunate season with the Jets. You're still stuck in the. This is just who we are. It can never be better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It can't be good. We can't be good. Can't be good. And I don't know if Maybe Joe Namath just needs, like, does he need a visit from Jobu? Do we need to sacrifice Joe Namath and Joe.

[Alan Hahn]

Joe Na and Jobu?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Like, we somehow someway have to have an exorcism so we can say this house is clear because we just. It's not. And the, and I still, I keep blaming ownership, but maybe it's a true curse. Maybe it's a real thing and I've just let go.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, that one, the Rogers injury, I don't know if Don ever made the list, but in terms of most heartbreaking franchise injuries, the Rogers one, it's definitely making a top five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, Testaverde hurt also because of what they were coming off of and what they were supposed to be. That.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. And he had, and he had been like this other worldly version of Testaverde.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was so good. But he was. Yeah. But it also, though, I don't remember feeling that I didn't feel as, as empty in that moment. It was just more of like a frustrate. But I didn't go like, oh, we're cursed. Like, I, I, maybe I was too young at that point to, to think about the history of it. I don't know. I don't remember being like that with that moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I'd have to think, though, and I'm talking about across all franchises, the Ewing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Injury early in the season. 97, 98, when he, he got pushed from behind, broke his wrist and like, was out. And then they weren't. Like, that was just a. Well, the season's over already. Like, the season, like, this is it. Like, that was frustrating because it felt like at that point you were, you were a good eight years into trying to win a championship with Ewing, and that happened. You're like, the guy, he's not going to get any younger. Like, you know, like, you just felt like that might have been the last true chance to win with him. The following year. They ended up winning without him going to, I mean, going to the finals at least. But I can't think of something injury wise, you're worse. That gutted me. Or at least just can you think.

[Alan Hahn]

Of even in other sports and teams you don't root for?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, that's what I mean. I'm trying to think of, like, injuries that happen where it just the second.

[Alan Hahn]

It happens, you go, oh, God, that team's entire plan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, everything's over. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, the Jacob mentions, the Brady injury. Yeah. But they're already in the middle of winning at that point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come on, like.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they were a few in already.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, how bad do you feel?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'd be greedy if you're mad. You know, the Bledso one at the.

[Alan Hahn]

Time would probably be higher.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That might.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, because they were poised. That team was ready to go, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They didn't do anything yet. But you're right.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. That's what I'm saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it didn't last. It didn't last because the guy that replaced him was.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it takes in three weeks, you go, oh, we're good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Three weeks.

[Alan Hahn]

We're all set here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think we'd still survive this. No, I'd have to. I'd have to have someone. Don. If Don were here, he could think of one. That change.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. It means. Because it means that you thought a team's entire fortune was going to change in this season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And in one play, it ended right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So, like that. That's what makes it rarefied air for the Rogers. All right, let's go back to the baseball because people are stoked to talk a little baseball. Let's start with. And I love that, like, to actually have a major event that completely delivers in every way. Let's go to A.J. in the car. What's up, A.J.

[Caller]

Hey, guys.

[Alan Hahn]

How you doing? Yeah, how you doing, man?

[Caller]

Good. Alan, I just want to say I'm a big fan of yours. You do a great job with the Knicks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Caller]

Yeah. So talk about edge of your seat and those getting in the game. First off, that played my potheads, I'm watching with my wife. And when he caught that ball, I literally got on my knees with my hands on my head, like, where the heck did he come from?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Caller]

That was like. He came out of nowhere.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you saw the, like when you watch the replay of him sprinting across the field because you know that Hernandez had no chance of catching that ball. It was like. Yeah, I agree.

[Caller]

I said, there's no way. I thought so. Also, he turned around. That was it. I thought it was over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Caller]

Also, I'm talking about moments, like, great moments where, you know, you're. My heart's pounding. You know, no skin in the game. Big Knicks fan, Ray Allen against the Spurs. Game six. That. That three pointer to tie it. For some reason, I just remember, like, my heart was racing. That, that play, that was one of those moments.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Absolutely tremendous play. The ropes were coming out. They were about to. To crown a champion that night. And. And makes just an unreal play. A huge three. The tip. I think it was Bosh got his Fingertip on it to got to get the ball loose to get it out to him. Just. Yeah, just a phenomenal series saving play. But again that's a game six. There was still another game to play. Like that's again Peter, I can't, I just can't wrap my brain around the fact that what other ultimate moment type situation where it was this play is either going to win it or lose it. That's it. There is no tomorrow for both teams, not just for one, not an elimination game. This was one team is going to lose, one team's going to win in this moment. Crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's rarefied air. Let's go to our guy Danny on the island. What's up Danny?

[Caller]

Good afternoon gentlemen. It was quite a weekend. It started with my beautifully prepared Halloween cocktails play wedding corn, leave it at that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How did Friday night go Danny? Yeah, really good.

[Caller]

Friday night was beautiful let me tell you. Between 8 and 8:17, it was really rocking after that by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

8 and 8:17, that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What'd you do with the other 15 minutes?

[Alan Hahn]

17, that's a good number. I gotta say. It's a great.

[Caller]

And the beauty of it is that, is that the misses fell asleep shortly thereafter and I got to watch the full game. You know, nothing. But listen, I'm staring at him first of all that guy, the Peter, I'm sorry for your loss. I watched that play live. I'm so sorry for your team. And as far as the coach is concerned, as Michael K. Would say, sorry hasn't fixed the lamp. That guy should never been in the game and I don't know what happened there. Now I'm watching. I'm watching a frozen screen of the. Of the ill fated Kaido falafel and I'm going to give him a pass except for this slide. I'll tell you why he sit. I'm watching the batter. Imagine I'm looking at from behind on plays the batter was in mid swing, the ball is about to be struck. He falafa is literally six feet from. From third base standing still. The man at second base has a better lead, maybe 10ft but not as far as the shortstop. The runner at first base is standing on the bag. Literally he is standing one step from first base. So they all had the marching orders of do not get doubled off on a line driver. So that thought was definitely put into his head. Now I don't care if you're a major league baseball player, you've coached a million games. The fundamentals don't change from, from U6 to major leagues. When the double play is in order, the runners can get their good secondary lead. They ought to be frozen at the moment of contact because you need to go back if necessary. With two outs, the min starts to swing, you start to run because nothing bad can happen. But with one out, you have to wait that little bit of a second he did. He didn't get a big lead and of course he should never have slid. But I absolutely believe that when he said that they were told to double play. Because you're watching three separate people all doing the same exact thing he did. And believe it or not, if that guy feels the ball without the stumble, the double play is in order.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, because if you look at where.

[Caller]

All the runners are, it really is. And last but not least, Mr. Clement, that catch, as I said last week, when we're doing greatest catches, I said Sandy Amorous catch game seven of the of the World Series. That was the seventh inning. This is the greatest catch in the history of Major League Baseball. When you put in the totality of the circumstances, there is no other play. There is no. We may have won. That's the catch. And that guy, I mean there wasn't a player, a fan in the world, any watching television that didn't think that ball was dropping. And that guy Clement hit that ball and for three seconds he was never going to have it. By another order of pontine, however, you say that in Canada for the rest of his life he was going to be eating cheese curds for the rest of his life for free. And it got taken away from him. He was absolutely hero for three seconds. The look on his face was unbelievable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, Danny, I'm curious now again, Buster only will ask all of our baseball historians, is that the greatest catch in baseball history? When you consider the context of what that moment was, where he came from, the fact that he was put into the game just before that at bat for defense. He trucks his own teammate to get to that ball, which by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

Is the right field.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And it was a do or die moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Do or die. Do or die moment. You don't get there. The game is over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, forget.

[Alan Hahn]

And did he just call poutine Pontine?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Something like that? Yeah, Pontoon. I think he was thinking pontoon.

[Alan Hahn]

We knew what he meant.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but it was still fun. Look, he's still riding high off his 15 minutes of fame on Friday night. God bless him. We all need it.

[Alan Hahn]

God bless him is right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about the fact that then she takes a nap so you can watch sports the rest of the night and good for him. Is that not that, like, is that not. That's nirvana.

[Alan Hahn]

He's living the dream right there. That's the old man's dream. And by the way, it will. Let's be honest, it was a subtle flex. Danny's what we think. Danny's what, like early 60s?

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, probably mid-60s, maybe. You think he's that old?

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, yeah, it's not that old.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How dare you.

[Alan Hahn]

Mid 60s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think he sounds that old, but I'm just saying.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I hear you, but I just want to say mid-60s dropping a little Friday night, 17 minute. That's such a subtle flex.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm. I'm here for it, though.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, no, listen, I'm just saying, like, don't he. Like, he tried to act like he said, because the truth is 17 is probably exaggerated. It's probably nine, right? Probably nine. He went up to 17.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It might have been 17, but most of it was within a two minute. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'm saying. So, like, the whole beginning of like, hey, babe, how was your day? To like, snoring was 17. And he. He just tried to lope, you know, hey, listen, I'll save it for a hot take Tuesday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let him have it.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll say for hot. I have theories on this. Let me go to the phones here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's keep going.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks, Danny. Let's go to Tim in the car. What's up, Tim?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guys, how's it going?

[Alan Hahn]

Good, good, man.

[Caller]

Looking to see not living in the moment, but whose performance in the World Series better. Mad bum in 2014 or Yamamoto?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, the bum. Say the Baumgartner one. He. He had pitched. I think it was two days rest because he had that big game five, and then he. I think he pitched like. Did he pitch four innings of relief?

[Caller]

Yeah, I think he went five innings. Three. He came in. It was three. Two, I think in the fifth. And the game finished three. Two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, the fact that he's like, that's a. How. I'm curious how many pitches he threw. Because Yamamoto pitched, you know, because the. Randy Johnson, I think was one, maybe one and a third. Yamamoto was obviously multiple innings plus. But yeah, yeah, Baumgartner, that's. That's a huge. To come in and pitch four of what, five innings of relief in game seven after pitching a complete game. Game five, pitch nine innings, Game five.

[Alan Hahn]

That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That.

[Alan Hahn]

That part is what makes it just absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who went two and two thirds? Yamamoto went two and two thirds. Okay. He went two and two thirds. So yeah I you know but he also pitched the day. It's a. He didn't even. He pitched the day before. Baumgartner had two days rest. That's the only thing that you could like give if you wanted to make the argument is that the guy just pitched the night before and gave you six innings and then he's going to come in and give you two and two third. That. That's pretty impressive stuff, man.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's go to Nick. What's up Nick?

[Caller]

Hey guys. Love the game the other day just watching a neutral observer. I think we think one part about game seven is just so you know that it's the last game of the season. You know the last baseball game until April. It's just nice to tune in that way. But talking about. You see as a. As a neutral observer someone who has no investment. I think you can't beat the 26 seen game seven between Cubs and Cleveland.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cleveland. Yeah.

[Caller]

Three one at one point in that series Chapman you know both teams had won it forever. I think that is probably the more compelling thing in my mind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get it because you add the context of two franchises that hadn't won in 100 years.

[Caller]

Yes. So there's that have the franchise who and wanted forever you know kind of coming back out down three games to one. But yeah I think that was the other rain delay component of everything like that. You know lead changes and so this game on but Saturday was great. I think it had fantastic storylines. But just in terms of you know everything context historical everything that like that that was one of my favorite baseball games. Just watch you know as a fan of the game back then. But anyway love you guys talk to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks Nick. Yeah that. That's one. That's a good one that he brought up because of the historical context like you you knew whoever was winning that World Series was ending like a century long drought curse whatever you want to use to two franchises just. They just hadn't won in a million years and some history was happening one way or another and there were compelling moments in it. I just don't know how you take game seven. Game seven could be a movie unto itself that we watched on Saturday night. Yeah it was that game that game seven just. Just standalone was.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh it should have a total 30 for 30.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well but I think it will but think of because because you always do you do the precursor stuff of the 18 inning game and all the other stuff and then Ohtani but the last place finish from The Blue Jays and how they were there. But I can't. Like, there were things that were happening in the later innings, in the 8th, the 9th, in the 10th especially, and obviously the 11th, there were things that were happening, Peter, that if I told you I'm gonna make this movie and these are the things, you'll be like, nobody's gonna believe that. Like, come on. All right, now you're getting ridiculous. Like, all right, that's too much. You can't have that many dramatic things. Nobody's gonna believe it. But all of it happened in real time. I'm telling you, it's the greatest reality show in the world.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

Luca.

[Caller]

Hey, what's up, guys? Hey, Peter. I don't know if you remember, weeks ago I was proclaiming Jackson Dart as the next day in Daniels, but you know, and I actually wanted to say how, you know, an injury that actually changed a rail a franchise was yours. RG3. I mean, he was never the same after that injury 12 years ago.

[Alan Hahn]

So, I mean, the RG3 one's in the conversation. That is it. That's a 100%. That was supposed to be the turnaround. He wins rookie of the year, they make the playoffs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

It looks like it's going to change every. I mean, dude, they. They did everything that year. They went to Dallas on Thanksgiving and blew them out. They.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They.

[Alan Hahn]

It was so compelling. And then he called. You know, a lot of people think his game wouldn't have resonated as the years went on, but you never got to find out because it really ended right there.

[Caller]

Yep, exactly. Thanks, guys.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks, Luca. No, it's a. It's a fair one. It's certainly in the conversation in terms of like, you see it and you go the way. And also with knee, you know, like, not to be like a selfish sports fan who, like, doesn't care about the kids. Well, being last night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Alan Hahn]

But I'm just being honest. I'm sure he feels the same way. When you see it's there offhand, you certainly feel much better than it being a knee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know, you're just being practical. Right? Like, like, you. You get devastated and then you try to start finding okay, well, what is like, all right, there's silver linings to things. Like, at least you try to find the positives. You know, I don't know if you've ever been through. I, I went through a devastating injury. For me, it pretty much ended my college career. I didn't have much of a college career to begin with. I wasn't a great player or anything, but I was very athletic. I could run around. Like, I loved to play. I played every day in the summer. I played every day and this stopped me from doing that. And it was like I tried to find silver linings. There weren't any. They just weren't. It was, no, you're done. Like, this is it. You can't do what you normally do, and that's really hard to do. So when you find silver linings, like you say, well, you, you know, the idea like scatter boo in the moment, that's devastating, right? Like, wait a minute, you worry about infection. The bone literally broke through. All the things that would make you think this is such a terrible moment, but then it's okay. It's bad because your season's over, but you'll be back in time for training camp. Now it's going to be an arduous, very difficult, very frustrating rehab process once everything gets set. But there is a recovery. There's a light at the end of the tunnel. So you're looking at a quarterback that if this happened to his throwing arm, there's no way you could say, well, they'll pop it back in, no ligament damage, he'll be fine. Because you worry while the ligaments will stretch, which means you got to give it more time. You might have to tighten them up. It's just you find reasons and you kind of have, I mean, to have a silver lining.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, I'm sure he was doing the same thing within 45 minutes. It was like, well, hold on, this is my left arm. We can probably deal with this. But man, it's crazy too. Like, just like the Jackson dart conversation. It's amazing that these kids can go so far in their career, but they're like some sort of self preservation techniques they just haven't learned, you know, or haven't been able to fully adopt. Like, Jaden shouldn't be throwing his arm, his off arm out to try to brace for a fall. You have, you have to just take that on your shoulder pad, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like you can't.

[Alan Hahn]

I guess it's natural instinct, but it's instinct. Yeah, but, but as you get older people, I mean, listen, there's a reason Tom Brady didn't throw his. You know how many times I saw Tom Brady get sacked hard and nothing happened? You know, there is a bit of an art form to it, but when you're constantly moving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Believe it or not, it is true. It is true.

[Alan Hahn]

Brady was amazing. Brady would half fall so like your sack would never even feel satisfying because he was basically on the ground.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't you ever watch running backs and then like they get caught in the mosh pit and there's like five people trying to bring them down and you're wondering like with all that weight, how is his legs just not breaking underneath them? They just know how to dead leg and fall.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

They just know. It's like something you probably learn when you're playing Pop Warner. Right. Like you just learn it early. And it's just that instinct of knowing how that once you're in a situation where you know, like, like you watch 300 pound lineman jumping up over to make a tackle jumping up over you. How does that not just, you know, like your hips just pop out, but it's. You learn how to fall.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's go to Jay in the Bronx who has another injury that changed the season in a moment.

[Caller]

Yeah. And I also had a quick nick question for Allen, but the one that, the one that really, really resonates with me not only changed the season, but it also changed the whole projection of the franchise. It was the Admiral, Sean Elliott, when they got hurt mid-90s, they didn't play that year. They were supposed to be, you know, front runners for the West. They ended up, I don't even think they won 20 games that year. But that opened the door to get, to get Jim Duncan, which changed the entire, the entire franchise. They won championships behind those injuries. But that year I remember them being favored. Those guys fell apart. Then here you go, you get this massive phenom from Wake Forest. So I think that was a real seismic injury to both the Admiral and Sean Elliott.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And think about this. There's no great Popovich that, that Greg Popovich doesn't become Greg Popovich if that doesn't happen either.

[Caller]

Not at all. That was probably the most seismic injury ever in NBA history. But my question real quick, Alan. In terms of injury, I feel like the players now for the, for a buttoned up organization like the Knicks, they're like real transparent of talking about what's wrong with them from the quad injury to. I heard Hart talk about some nerve issues having on his hand. Yeah, I don't know where that come from. I'm not used to Knicks being that transparent. But do you think that's necessarily a good thing or you think they should maybe keep that stuff to themselves?

[Peter Rosenberg]

This Group, first of all, they haven't really dealt with a lot of injuries, but the players, especially guys like Hart, he's always been forthcoming. I was there last night when the first question was asked about it and he said, I'm not really going to get into it, but everybody knows if you ask him a second time, he'll get into it. Like, he'll tell you. Like, so there's, I think he's just one of these guys. Josh Hart's an open book and he'll talk. If you, you know, if you ask the right question, the right way, he'll let you know. And that's, that's what you know, like Carl Anthony Towns opening night, standing next to him when somebody asked him about, because he was listed as questionable, I believe before that game, opening night, and they said, well, what are you dealing with? He said, grade two quad strain. Like, he had the terminology and everything. And he let you know. So I guess some guys are open books and they just, they don't want to hide it. They want you to know. Yeah, I'm playing hurt. Just so you know, I'm playing hurt. Like, instead of hiding it. And everybody's saying, you know, you don't look, you're trying hard enough or you don't jump high enough or your, your shots busted.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Instead it's like, well, now, now you know what I'm dealing with. So which way would you rather have it, Peter? Yeah, you rather a player just not say anything and no, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. And yet you can just see he's not right and think, well, he must suck.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I certainly prefer the, the honesty.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I know I'm not playing up to my, up to my capabilities. Here's why. Just so you all know, let's go.

[Alan Hahn]

To, let's go to Dan in Fayetteville. Hey, Dan.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. How you doing?

[Alan Hahn]

Good, man.

[Caller]

So for an injury that derailed the season, I had kind of a different one that came to mind. This is more of an individual, but when, when Aaron Judge run into that wall at Dodger Stadium years ago, that was the year after he broke Maris's record. He was well on his. He, he got up to a better start that next year so he could have broken his own record, you know, he maybe have a third mvp. And I feel like once you win that third mvp, that puts you in like, you know, type of category. So that was when they came to my mind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a good one. Yeah. Again, definitely changed. Yeah, that's That's a big one, that. And you remember I was that the year they were 82 and 80, right? That's the year they didn't make the playoffs. Right? So. Yeah, you know, that's the only. That's the one blemish since 2017. The only year he didn't make the playoffs was that year and when. Boy, I'll tell you what I forgot. That's right. It was a Dodger Stadium. Let's do.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where the Dodgers. You know, if I'm. If I'm Aaron Judge, you got to get to some point where you're like, you know, we owe them. I owe them, right? That. That injury at that stupid stadium. Why is that thing even there? And then they have a few receipts to them and them. Them auctioning off the ball that he dropped in the World Series. I'm sorry, man. It's some get back that 99 needs to get against the Dodgers at some point before it's all said and done. He needs to make sure that there's a little extra motivation when he's. When he's facing Dodger blue. Little hatred, little.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, remember, there's other. There's a solid Astros receipt that's needed for this team as well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but that's so long gone, man.

[Alan Hahn]

That's not long gone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's because. Because no one's there anymore. Like, that's gone that got blown up. It's not.

[Alan Hahn]

Everyone's not gone, but it's not the same. A few are gone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, the GM's not there, the manager's not there. Like, it's all. It's different now. Like they're. They're a shell of themselves.

[Alan Hahn]

You're just gonna move on. Y' all are just gonna. Y' all are gonna take. Just getting beat down year after year after year, then be like, well, it's over now. We just move on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's the difference? You beat them. Like, if you beat him now, what does it mean? It's all right. Whatever. It's not them. It's not the same guys. They're all in different places. The only one left is Altuve, but he won't take his jersey off. Make sure.

[Alan Hahn]

And what's his face there, too? No. What's, you know. Jacked up kid whose name I'm forgetting right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, come on.

[Alan Hahn]

Alvarez. He's still there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he is.

[Alan Hahn]

And he wasn't there for the first one, but he was there for the last couple.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, 2017 is the one that bothers.

[Alan Hahn]

You most they should all bother. Alan. They own your ass. The Astros literally are your daddy. They pick you up, take you to school. They, they come in the afternoon and bring you a lollipop. They are the Yankees, daddy. You can't just say I was just 17. That bothers me. They own your whole franchise. They should put the Astro logo on Yankee Stadium.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They are ving rhames and baby boy.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This they.

[Alan Hahn]

You are theirs. You can't just go, 17 bothers me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What?

[Alan Hahn]

It was a five year run. Domination.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but they also were called out for cheating.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, boy. This is, and this is the problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With that, that tells you already that 2017 now is tarnished and tainted. It's like, all right, so then why.

[Alan Hahn]

Does that one even bother you? How about the other ones when they weren't called out for cheating?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm trying to remember, like, other than what was it the 2019. I'm trying to. It's three swept in 2022. No, 22. You see how I see how easy I was able.

[Alan Hahn]

The north remembers Joe Leo being the North.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That one I was able. That was. I was able to forget quickly probably because I'm just. Again, I got. No, you're not.

[Alan Hahn]

Again. You're dead inside.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. Honestly, the Dodgers are bothering me more if I'm. If I'm Aaron Judson right now because. Because of that injury that happened there that turned a whole season. And on top of the fact they mock you after beating you last year.

[Alan Hahn]

And celebrate on your know what it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is, it's because it's more recent in my mind. That's why. Because again, that, that group's not. It's just a logo now I'm mad at. I'm not facing those same guys. Altuve is the only one left and he's kind of a he, like, it's not even. He's insignificant at this point now. Guy can't even feel, feel sorry for him. That's. That's too bad. You'll like, you'll never really have the adulation of your career now. And the great story you once were because now nobody trusts that you did everything on the, on the up and up. It's kind of, it's kind of tough on him. Right? He was a great story.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guys like 4 foot 6 and he's like, you know, he was a great baseball player.

[Alan Hahn]

He did all right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then you realize like, oh, wait a minute, now we know more. But, but the Dodger thing is more annoying because it's more recent. Yeah. I hear you.

[Alan Hahn]

The Ashurst thing just lasted so long to me. But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you're right. But again, because it kind of broke up. It's like, what are you. What are you fighting other than the logo? It's like going back to. It's like going back to a high school rival and it's like 20 years later, nobody's there anymore. And you just want to fight people. It's like nobody knows you. You don't know them. What does it matter?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I'm gonna look up the list right now during this break of who exactly is left. Cause I don't think it's as empty of that roster as you're saying right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot of most of the main characters are gone. You ever wake up with a sore.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Caller]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Caller]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Caller]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

What do we make of Sam Darnold's performance?

[Alan Hahn]

He's good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hard for you to watch, but.

[Alan Hahn]

No, he's good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's.

[Alan Hahn]

He's who I thought he was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about him going 17 straight completions. I mean, he was pitching a perfect game. He tells the story. He went, was it 15 through the first half? Put up 31 right at the half.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And. And they. And they pulled up.

[Alan Hahn]

It could have been more. They hit that field, they could have went to the end zone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And so after the game, he was asked like, you know, was it at halftime, was it like, like a pitcher perch pitching a no hitter where everybody avoiding you was? No one going near was like. And he said no. Of course, somebody told me. He goes, I'm not naming names, but someone Told me, like it was really funny the way he said it because it's as if like it got in his head because I think his third attempt now he was, he was throwing absolute darts.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, these weren't just by the way, he wasn't dinking and dunking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, this was not wide open, guys or right. Like. No, he threw someone. He was threading needles, like throwing some really confident throws. He just.

[Alan Hahn]

God, it would be great to have access to a quarterback like that, you know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, if only the jets could find a guy like that. But in fairness, you can't predict that he would have found it like he's found it now playing in the, you know, the chaos that is playing for the Jets. I think he needed that breather to get into the league to get like, you know, play a little backup role, find his way into a starter's role, have success, work with a guy like Koch and then find a team that wanted him. And he just looks like he has full command of that offense. And the way he's, the way he's throwing the ball with the confidence he's throwing it. I'm telling you, he's really starting to show like these guys, you know, Baker, Mayfield, him. What happens after a couple of years when it settles in and they get out of the rookie stuff and they start to become vets to understand the game mentally. It's incredible what can turn for some of these guys that were once considered, you know, busts and failures. It's. Tom Brady has said it and I keep going back to it, that we rush some of these guys too soon and that it doesn't help their development. And it's amazing how some of these guys that were once considered busts have figured it out. And then on the Converse, even in loss, watching Joe Flacco with a bad shoulder, like, could you possibly say at the end of this season that he might not have, he might have free, he might have offers from teams to be their starting quarterback. I mean, I know he's like 50 years old, I get it, but I'm sorry.

[Alan Hahn]

I hear you. It's hard to say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's so on target. He's so smart. He doesn't get rattled. It's it. You're not giving him a four year deal, but like, you could do worse.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's the thing. He's not going to make your team. Joe Flacco is not going to make your team good. But if you have a team that's already good, like, that's pretty loaded, if.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You have if you have skill.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, he's worth having around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He can work with skill. Yeah, you can't.

[Alan Hahn]

God, you're right. Even he looked so much worse here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, again, what was he. He, you know, but it seemed like.

[Alan Hahn]

But I was actually dumb enough to see that and go, well, he's done nothing left.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They had no.

[Alan Hahn]

Nothing left.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he can't run. But if you protect him, he just, he's so accurate. But he's also so steady. By the way, he's been there for what, two weeks and they ran the two point conversion as if he's been doing this for the last five years. He's like pointing, he's telling everybody where to go, what to do. Like his ability. Again, it's all the experience. It's being a veteran. It's been around for 18 years, but there's this. He just has a way about him that he has a full command and understanding of an offense and knows what to do in the moment. Doesn't get caught up. His breathing stays normal, his heart rate stays normal. It's almost like he is in that place where he can still throw, but now his brain is way far ahead than where he was maybe early in his career. He was a guy that used to throw bad picks earlier in his career. Now he's a guy that, like I said, there's some franchises that might think I could do worse. Like, honestly, if you, if, if I'm the Jets and I draft a guy number one, if I have the opportunity to draft a quarterback number one and I take a quarterback number one, how do I not think to myself, let me bring in Flacco and make it do, do the Russell Wilson thing. Have him start. And this guy that I drafted can sit in a room and watch this guy operate and listen to his. How he talk, how he fluently talks about offense, how he prepares, what he does, all the things that happen and just by osmosis, you'll be a better quarterback. Being around him, just be the apprentice. That's what Joe Flacco looks like to me.

[Alan Hahn]

He does. And if you have a couple of sick receivers like he has, well, it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Also helps to have. Yeah, Jamar Chase and T. Higgins.

[Alan Hahn]

That'll. That'll make an impact. You know, you put him, you put him on the. You give him, respectfully, you give him Wandale Robinson and Darius Slayton.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not saying he wouldn't the same.

[Alan Hahn]

Result, not the exact same result. I'm not saying he had no results, but it's not the same.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How Old is Flacco. He's 40, right? He's 41 in January.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it that crazy to think that there might be a team in the NFL that offers him like a three year deal with two years fully guaranteed? Is that that? Think about it for a minute.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I don't. He won't get that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't think two.

[Alan Hahn]

No, too old.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, two year deal. The first year is fully guaranteed. The second year has some money. If we cut, you give him the. Give him the. I mean, Justin Fields, what he got.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know if he's getting that much.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not saying 20, but I'm saying like, it's sort of like you. You fully guarantee the first one and then the second. You don't think he can give you a full season?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I just of good quarterbacking in a league where there's some teams that's all they need is a quarterback and they can't find one.

[Alan Hahn]

It's just so based on what offense it is, man on the right team, I think he's a great asset. Could he get himself a nice $9 million backup deal like Ryan Fitzpatrick? That Fitzpatrick got like 13 from the Jets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know how. How much? Because Flacco, I mean, it's just. It's an unusual amount of talent on that Cincinnati offense. And maybe they just work really well together because I have seen him, even beyond the jets, look finished before he looked finished in Baltimore.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but look, even with Cleveland, he wasn't terrible.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you weren't writing letters about him. You weren't watching.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's still, like, he was still better than what they had. Like he still was giving you something.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's. Let's do it. I mean, we had. We got two and a half minutes here before the. Ennis. Richard.

[Caller]

Hi, Peter. Hi, Alan. One word for the World Series. Unscripted. It was so. Oh, it was the best World Series I've ever seen, really. And I'm 70 years old and for me to be in that gage with two teams, I could care less. I don't understand people saying they don't like this team. They don't like that. This was like watching Sinatra or Michelangelo. It was beautiful baseball. There were no losers here. One was just a little more unlucky than the other. It was great, though. Everything about it. I couldn't believe it. It was. Oh, it's. I'll never forget this. For sustained action. Total and nothing. I mean, you know, you get used to Watching the Yankees, I know the moves already. I know what they're going to do this games, these two, this World Series. I didn't know these guys. I didn't know what they'd be doing. They're great place. I never saw a first baseman that big. Dive, full body dive in foul territory. Guerrero, I've never seen that, ever like that. That was fantastic. Fellows, I just want to touch on. Bob Trumpy passed away. Man, that guy was a great tight end. And I'll tell you what, I remember a great broadcaster. He had some voice. I would say he had the best voice of an ex athlete. He used to do the AFL games with Charlie Jones, I remembered. And great tight end. I wouldn't say it was Merlin Olson, but he was right up there. He was a fantastic, fantastic announcer and a fantastic football player. I don't know if he's a Hall of Famer, but. Borderline hall of Famer. But just to back to the World Series. Yamamoto, to do what he did. In a million years, I would have never thought that couldn't be possible. Never. The way baseball is going now. And just Dave Robertson, you know, fellas, interviewing the manager while the plays are going on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Seven games in a World Series.

[Caller]

Didn't you find that a little ridiculous?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, there were times where I was like, why let the guy manage?

[Caller]

Well, they did it to both managers and they were very cordial about it. I mean, Dave Roberts was talking to. Yeah, they were. And he was. He was addressing. I forgot who he was talking to. And he addressed him by his first name, you know, very courteously. And it was great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was great.

[Caller]

But I thought. I thought that was a little too much. Okay, fellas, a pleasure. Peter Allen.

[Alan Hahn]

Always interesting to see him nail the name Yamamoto and struggle with Dave Roberts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do like though that he does know when the. When the Play it out music.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I think that was sheer coincidence.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You think so? I think he knows it's not.

[Alan Hahn]

He doesn't hear words or sounds. He's just floating in the universe, man. That was all just. That happened to be the moment Jacob hit play and he had already decided. I've had enough with them. It's time for me to prepare for my Steve Summers phone call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to know how the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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