Hour 3: Get On Board

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Get On Board (Nov 5, 2025)

Main Theme & Purpose

Hour 3 of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg showcases the trio's classic blend of New York sports analysis, banter, and personal stories. This episode seamlessly blends Knicks discussion (with particular focus on team chemistry and coaching), a running “initials” nickname conversation, and the familiar frustrations of being a long-time New York Jets fan. The tone is informal but insightful, giving listeners both sharp sports takes and plenty of laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Perils of "Cut and Paste" at Work (00:34–05:00)

• Topic: Alan recounts the risks and frustrations of coworkers making mistakes due to copying and pasting in scripts. If he were a boss or coach, he’d enforce zero-tolerance except for the truly flawless.
• Quote:
  • Alan Hahn: "If you cut and paste, you're fired instantaneously... how many mistakes happen because of cut and paste?" (01:07)
• Humor: The trio riff on how they'd open their first team meeting with a strong anti-cut-and-paste declaration, then joke about standing up to end work meetings.
• Memorable Moment: Peter joking that “people here who cut and paste die, like they gotta know” (02:00) and suggesting everyone stand up together to end useless meetings.

2. Knicks Chemistry: Mike Brown, Karl-Anthony Towns, and Team Buy-In (08:44–21:22)

• Focus: In-depth look at the Knicks’ ongoing adjustment to coach Mike Brown’s system, especially centering on star Karl-Anthony Towns’ fit and attitude.

• Highlights:

  • Mike Brown's Self-Reflection:

    • Admits he’s still learning how to use players effectively.
    • Quote:
      • Mike Brown: “It starts with me and I've gotten better and they've just gotten more comfortable.” (10:23–10:44)
    • The hosts discuss how rare it is for coaches to say “I got to do better.”

  • Towns’ Role & Attitude:

    • Brown praised Towns after a big performance (“Ket was a monster… He’s starting to find his rhythm.”) (11:37)
    • However, in locker room interviews, Towns still sounds hesitant and not fully bought in.
    • Quote:
      • Peter Rosenberg: "Does he sound like he's on the bus yet? ... Towns seems like the one guy that's still resistant to the way they're asking him to play." (13:16)
    • Alan and Peter debate whether Towns’ reluctance is because he’s being asked to change more than anyone else, or if he’s mentally “already gone” due to trade rumors (e.g., if Giannis comes).

  • Team Dynamics:

    • Others like Josh Hart, Bridges, Anunoby seem positive about the new system, while Towns is the final “holdout.”
    • Don notes that even with his “resistance,” Towns is still putting up strong numbers (20 and 13 averages), and Brown seems to be adjusting the system to make him more comfortable.

  • Coaching Philosophy:

    • Peter notes that it’s rare to see a veteran coach adapt to the players (rather than vice versa) and that Brown’s flexibility might be saving him from “losing the locker room” early.

  • Key Quote:

    • Don Hahn: "It feels like to me that Towns is the last guy that has the full buy-in... That's as much buy-in as I've seen since the start of this whole thing." (16:09)

  • Outlook:

    • Team looks potent when everything clicks, but Peter observes, "You have one, you have two All-NBA players on this team. One of them's in, the other one's gotta be in." (19:44)

3. The “Initials” Rabbit Hole – Sports, Authors, and Presidents (24:00–36:00)

• Background:
  • The team and callers continue a lighthearted debate over famous people (especially athletes and authors) known primarily by initials—PJ, AJ, BJ, CJ, JK, JR, etc.
• Memorable Name Drops:
  • Sports: P.J. Tucker, J.P. Parise, J.B. Bickerstaff, B.J. Armstrong;
  • Authors: J.K. Rowling, C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien
  • Politicians: J.D. Vance, J.Q. Adams, U.S. Grant, FDR, JFK, Rutherford B. Hayes
• Caller banter: One caller offers obscure British authors by initials, prompting ribbing from the hosts about “showing off.”
• Memorable Quotes:
  • Alan Hahn: “Robert, come on, you’re talking to a bunch of sports talk yo-yos. What you doing?” (31:44)
  • Peter Rosenberg: “He’s bragging. He’s bragging... Oh, I know all these wonderful British authors, you silly little sports [guys].” (32:18)
• Humor & Cultural References:
  • Playful asides about U.S. presidents’ initials (“CeCe Coolidge,” “MV Buren,” “H.S. Truman”).
  • Discussion on whether LL Cool J, WB Mason, and PC Richard count (turns into a sidebar on how LL Cool J got his name).

4. Old School, New School: School Start Times & Childhood Memories (36:00–38:06)

• Banter:
  • Brief, lively debate on whether school should or realistically could start later in the day.
  • Patrick from Chatham calls in to challenge Peter’s earlier suggestion, reveals some of the logistical and sports-related issues of pushing back school hours.
  • The hosts reminisce about enduring long days as kids (“How did we do that?”) and admit they now appreciate their more flexible adult work hours.

5. The Agony of Being a Jets Fan: Tapping Out (43:03–46:00)

• Caller George’s Rant:
  • George from Morristown declares, after 25+ years of loyalty and disappointment, he's "done with the New York Football Jets."
  • Quote:
    • Caller George: “If this were a relationship, who would put up with this disrespect for 25 years? … on this Wednesday, November 5, 2025, you can strike up your fraud alert music because I am done with the New York Football Jets.” (43:32)
  • Don and Alan sympathize, likening persistent fandom to remaining in an unhealthy relationship, but question if it’s really possible to start rooting for another team.

6. Music Talk: The Meaning of “25 or 6 to 4” & Rock Stories (40:36–43:03)

• Transition:
  • Returning from break with Chicago’s "25 or 6 to 4." Alan and Peter debate if Chicago belongs among the great American bands.
  • The mystery of the song title “25 or 6 to 4” is explained (delirium late at night trying to write a song—was it 3:34 or 3:35 am?).
  • Similar anecdote: the origin of “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida” by Iron Butterfly (“drugs and alcohol in the best way possible”).
• Memorable Quote:
  • “It’s turning into the skid. … We could correct it or we just, you know, let’s go with it.” – Alan Hahn on the naming of “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida” (42:30)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mike Brown on adapting to his roster:

  • “It starts with me and I've gotten better and they've just gotten more comfortable.” (10:44)

• Peter on Towns’ buy-in:

  • “Does he sound like he's on the bus yet? ... Towns seems like the one guy that's still resistant to the way they're asking him to play.” (13:16)
  • “There's not a lot of ebullience in Townes voice when he talks about the potential of this offense, which he’s one of the pieces. So I'm just wondering when Brown and Towns are going to connect.” (14:12)

• Don Hahn on meetings:

  • “People here who cut and paste die, like they gotta know.” (02:00)

• On Nicknames/Initials:

  • “How did Alan forget one of the great Knicks of all time? PJ Tucker.” (06:34)
  • “Listen, look what I know and I know for a fact you don’t.” – Alan, ribbing the “show-off” caller about British authors (32:23)

• George (caller) on quitting the Jets:

  • "You wouldn't stay with Nancy if she disrespected you for 25 years." (44:37)
  • Don: “I can’t get mad at that opinion. I just can’t.” (45:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Work meetings/cut and paste: 00:34–05:00
• Knicks/Mike Brown/Towns: 08:44–21:22
• Initials & Name Game: 24:00–36:00
• School schedules/childhood: 36:00–38:06
• Song origins & music talk: 40:36–43:03
• Jets “fan divorce” rant: 43:12–46:00

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Episode Flow and Tone

The hour flows with lively, conversational energy. The hosts smoothly transition from sports analysis to personal anecdotes and fan interactions, lacing heavy topics (team chemistry, disappointment as sports fans) with sharp wit and playful ribbing. The eclectic mix—workplace humor, caller dialogues, music trivia, high/low cultural references—makes the episode relatable and entertaining for any New York sports (and pop culture) fan.

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Conclusion

This episode is both quintessential Don, Hahn & Rosenberg—witty, knowledgeable, and just irreverent enough—and a clear illustration of the frustrations and hopes inherent in New York sports. The main sports story is about the Knicks learning to gel, especially Karl-Anthony Towns’ ongoing adjustment under coach Mike Brown. Along the way, the show celebrates the absurd, from “cut and paste” at the office to the meaning of classic rock lyrics, always embracing both joy and pain of being a New York fan.

Transcript

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[Caller/Guest]

First of all, I actually blame the cloud on that one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The, the first person that you fire, you gotta at least have like the first warning shot, right? And then the tone is set. That that's what happens when you cut and pay.

[Don Hahn]

You can't just people here who cut and paste die, like they gotta know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That that's the standard.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's the before you just fire. No, no. When I I've always said that if I became a head coach in the NFL in my opening press conference, I would say don't even ask. I will not go for two unless there's less than eight minutes to go in the game.

[Don Hahn]

That's a rule.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a rule. And if I was hired as the program director of a radio station or a boss, in my opening remarks, I would say, anybody get caught, cut and pasting out on reads anything, anything he.

[Don Hahn]

Doesn'T know, he's against it in all situations.

[Alan Hahn]

But here's a. Here's. And here's what I would say, because I'd say this to Andrew, because Andrew would cut and paste and rarely made a mistake because he was brilliant. I would say, all right, you can cut and paste. Just don't make a mistake. Kind of like the Aaron Yankees.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

It's like, all right, you can go with your gut. You better be right. So if I ever see a mistake and you say, well, I cut and pasted. That's why I made the mistake out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

So you'd make it clear forcibly from the. From the building.

[Don Hahn]

I don. I like this attitude. You know what? Tomorrow we have a big meeting.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah. I'm gonna bring it up in the meeting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's the first thing we talk about.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

That requires that we be at the station for about anybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have anybody have any input? Does anybody want to say anything? Don stands up.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, stand right up.

[Don Hahn]

Cut and paste, you die.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We have a cut and paste issue here at this company, and it's got to stop today.

[Alan Hahn]

I've been known to stand up at the end of meetings. I'm going to stand up at the beginning of the meeting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. You're the guy that actually lets us know when the meeting's over by getting up.

[Caller/Guest]

Here we go.

[Alan Hahn]

That's kind of like, all right, I'm done.

[Don Hahn]

So I don't know what else. Everybody, I just want to let you know, what do you guys.

[Alan Hahn]

In case you're wondering, does Don have anything else? He's standing by the door, so I guess he's ready to go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't leave.

[Alan Hahn]

I wasn't disrespectful, but we had a meeting. I'm like, I. There's nothing enough. There's nothing left to give here. We've chewed right. There's no more meat on the bone. I'm standing up.

[Don Hahn]

I hope he does it tomorrow.

[Alan Hahn]

Funny, me. I had a show in two minutes on the air. But, you know, listen, meetings are more important than shows now.

[Don Hahn]

By the way, where are we having a. What time do you have to leave tomorrow, Don?

[Alan Hahn]

That's a great question, realistically.

[Don Hahn]

Like, when do you gotta go? We're not. We don't. I'M thinking one, we don't need to have a big meeting tomorrow. We're going to be around each other.

[Alan Hahn]

Plenty mean leaving to go to the Rock.

[Don Hahn]

So when are you going to leave to go to the Rock? Keeping. I told to have like a. I'm.

[Alan Hahn]

Looking forward to breaking bread with my, my my brothers here on the show.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

1:30.

[Don Hahn]

So you think one. So you think the meeting that we have which starts at 11 should be over by noon.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, it better be.

[Don Hahn]

And then we'll have.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm going to stand up and then.

[Don Hahn]

I'm standing up with you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, all three of us should stand up and say we have a. We have a reservation.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we gotta go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We have a reservation. Yeah, I, I was, I was kind of hoping for whatever we do for breaking bread together should be considered our pre show meeting.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Well that's the thing. We're now 90 minutes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don can just go.

[Don Hahn]

So you have 1:30. You'll easily. You'll be fine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then Peter, what are we doing from 1:30 on? Like that's too much by the way.

[Don Hahn]

You know what? We should do this because we're two very confident. You know, we have no self doubt. We have no question marks. The two of us, like gentlemen. So should go get foot massages together before.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I am all about this, by the way. Just two dudes.

[Don Hahn]

Just two dudes sitting there, very comfortable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In their own skin.

[Don Hahn]

Comfortable, baby.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I am. I'm in. Dude. I this and Don knows this life. This is three games in. In four days for me. Tomorrow, Tomorrow I could definitely use that kind of a little rub down, a little luxuriating. So we got to find a spot.

[Don Hahn]

We got to find a spot. We got to do something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, after a lunch too. A nice full belly.

[Alan Hahn]

Full belly rub down, foot massage, full front.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, during the show, you.

[Don Hahn]

Want to go next level? You want to go couples massage? And we just go full. Both of us on the table next to each other holding hands like Thelma and Louise getting a little rubber.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about Selma? Can Selma and Louise be fine?

[Don Hahn]

Or Selma and Louise?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I mean so. So full on nudity on the table. One towel.

[Don Hahn]

What do you mean one towel? We don't share a towel.

[Alan Hahn]

Long towel.

[Don Hahn]

I've never seen that. Even with couples. I've never seen that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a hot stone on the, on the, on the back. Yeah, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And Don, what was the turning point where you felt like you were being pushed out of the show? I don't know. There was Alan and Peter Went on a couple's massage one night when I couldn't partake and next thing I know, they weren't talking to me, they were boxing me out at the subjects.

[Don Hahn]

Very different show. Got very different then.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's see.

[Don Hahn]

How could Alan forget one of the great Knicks of all time?

[Alan Hahn]

P.J.

[Don Hahn]

Tucker.

[Alan Hahn]

That's not a bad one.

[Don Hahn]

No. As far as nicknames and sports go, not a all time great player. But you only call it.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, P.J.

[Don Hahn]

Carlissimo. What are we doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

One of my favorite coaches.

[Alan Hahn]

He's a great guy. You worked with him and the draft with him.

[Don Hahn]

We didn't mention either.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We do a draft with him?

[Don Hahn]

We didn't mention either.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Watt, jj tj. Those are any other Jays in the. In the Watt family? Yeah, those are Casey Jones. You Celtics fan.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, thank you very much. J.C. jones, C.J. bethard. Of course, of course. The great J.S.

[Alan Hahn]

Shiguer.

[Don Hahn]

Who's that?

[Alan Hahn]

John Sebastian JSagar won a Con Smyth in 2003. Very good for a losing team. He's one of those trivia questions. Who won us Con Smythe on a losing team with the Ducks. You're not familiar with J. Shiger?

[Don Hahn]

I don't remember him.

[Alan Hahn]

How about J.P. danfus?

[Don Hahn]

I remember. I do remember J.P. danfuz.

[Peter Rosenberg]

J.B. bickerstaff.

[Don Hahn]

That's very good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I got to work with him this summer. You'd think I'd remember that guy too. But I think JB again is. His name is. It's like J and his last name is B. So they call him jb. So he became JB Bickerstaff.

[Don Hahn]

J.

[Alan Hahn]

That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if that counts.

[Don Hahn]

There's a, there's a J.C. i feel like we're for. Is there a J.C. we're forgetting?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, J.C. martin, J.C. trombley, A.J.

[Don Hahn]

Styles. How do we not mention A.J. styles, Jacob and Anthony. That's a bad one for us. B.J. penn from the word of world of UFC. Of course. He's a big one.

[Kevin Clark]

A.J.

[Don Hahn]

Hawk, known for his floating head on Pat McAfee. B.J. raji, of course, the packer grade. We said B.J. armstrong.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We, we've, we've. I, I think C.J. mcCollum. We just saw him the other day. Have we not jumped the shark now? Are we, Are we good?

[Alan Hahn]

All right. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

It's time to move on. I think I've been enjoying.

[Alan Hahn]

When I said JP Damfoose, I think we thought it was over TJ Dillashaw.

[Don Hahn]

Another great from ufc.

[Alan Hahn]

I did. Listen, it's you never know what's going to hit. But Alan Hans at the Garden tonight and Minnesota is in town.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, Minnesota, Minnesota.

[Alan Hahn]

And it's not the first time that Kat's going up against his old team, but it's still. He seems to be the one guy, Allen, that is still not completely getting it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's kind of feeling like he's the last one to get on the bus. Now he's listed as questionable with an illness, which is for tonight's game, which nobody really knew that he was sick. But, you know, he play. He's played really well the last couple of games, so we'll see if he gets in the lineup. And Anthony Edwards is questionable where he. They thought he's going to miss two weeks, but it's amazing what the Garden can do to motivate a player, star player to want to play. So he might even be in the game tonight. But we saw some of the last couple of games with Car. Anthony Towns and with Mike Brown that while it looks like there's progress, like, is there progress? Let's start with Mike Brown, guys. It begins with Mike Brown and the issues the Knicks were having going into after that Friday game in Chicago where they lost. They looked really bad in the first half. Players were not happy at all. Like, you could see Josh Hart was annoyed. Towns really was mad the game before in Milwaukee, the way he didn't like his role. But let's, let's just. Let's just hear Mike Brown do something that a lot of coaches rarely do. And this was after the team won against Chicago on Sunday. Chicago, and then they beat the Wizards on Monday. And it's as if. Did you figure something out with this team? And what's different now about the bench suddenly being more productive and the offense really looking like it's clicking? And Mike Brown basically put it on himself.

[Mike Brown]

Again, start with me. I said this last game I got to help try to put these guys in a better position, you know, whether it's on the floor or whatever or rotation wise. But I didn't quite have as good a feel because guys have been out and we're trying to play this guy and that guy. And it starts with me and I've gotten better and they've just gotten more comfortable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he had to say, I got better. Right. Like Don Peter, do you ever remember coaches saying I had to be better? So it's a veteran coach and a veteran group and they're both getting to know each other and. And a lot of times the coach is you know, he's trying to initiate his system, and he's telling the players, you got to learn my system, but he's also saying, I got to learn these guys. And then you adjust accordingly with the system. I find that to be. At least that's a good sign. So Josh Hart already now, like, you could see it after last Monday's game, he sounded much different about his role. He sounded better about everything, and he's looked a lot better. The bench has done well, so Karanthony Towns feels like the last guy now. He had a huge game, a 30, 15 and 5 game against the Wizards, an absolutely dominant performance. And, like, Mike Brown was raving about him after that game. Listen what he says.

[Mike Brown]

Ket was a monster. He was a monster on the glass. He was really good defensively. He was a monster inside, outside. He's starting to find his rhythm. And what we're trying to do, there's still a lot of room there to grow, not just for him, but for us to learn him, starting with me and us to continue learning the different points or parts of what we're trying to do offensively. He's a monster.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now. You hear him also kind of like, say, I'm still learning him and what he likes to do. This is all stemming from before the season even started. Like. Like, it was, I think, the day before the season opener when Towns was asked about how he feels in this role that he'll have in Mike Brown's system that he's bringing to the team. And Townes didn't sound like he was interested at all in what was being asked of him. Listen to this little cut. Honestly, I don't know. I don't know, but we figuring it out. I said, but honestly, I just don't know. It's just different. It's different. So we still figuring it out. Like, does that sound like a guy that's feeling like, yeah, this will be great? He definitely sounded like somebody that was apprehensive. So Brown likes what he's seen the last couple of games. So when he said, we're starting to figure each other out, I went into the locker room and we asked Carl Anthony Towns right after the game. All right, so before the season, you were saying how it's a work in progress and you just got to figure some things out. So have you figured some things out? Here's what he said. We're all figuring it out. So getting better every day and understanding what our roles are and what we got to do. So it's good, you know, we got two wins in a row, but, you know, we're obviously still work in progress, so. Does he sound like he's on the bus yet? Because Josh Hart sounds like he's on the bus. The bench, guys, you know, Brunson has been on the bus from day one. Bridges loves it, Anunoby loves it. But Towns seems like the one guy that's still resistant to the way they're asking him to play and whether or not he wants to be. He's all in about it. Did he sound like a guy? Like, you can hear Brown saying, it's on me.

[Don Hahn]

I got to do better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I got to do better. He's doing that. Towns is the one guy that doesn't seem like he's ready yet to fully embrace this thing. And until he does, you know, you can't really predict what this. What this team's going to look like.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. It was last week I brought up the fact. Is it hard for him because he might be the piece that leaves if Giannis comes here. I mean, you've had to chew on that for a week. You've seen some games, you've called some games. Is there anything to that? Or is he just. Is he asked to do more than everybody else? Does he have to adjust more than everybody else? So it's going to take a little longer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can see that they. They have moved him around a lot in the first couple of games, and he doesn't like that. You could see these last two games, the Chicago game, even a little bit of the Chicago game they lost on Friday, but you're seeing a little more of what he likes, which is the walk in threes where they kick it out to him a little less screen, like, definitely not posting up small players. He hates doing that. He likes going one on one against other bigs, so they put him in those situations. He's happier that way. So I think his production's still elite, his shooting is still elite, but I don't know why he still is sort of resistant to saying, like, yeah, I'm figuring it out. Like, you know, sometimes, like, if you listen to all the other players talk, right, it'll sound like this. This offense has great potential. There's so much we could do. There's a lot of stuff. Yes, we're learning it, but you could see, like, Anunoby really likes it. Bridges really likes it. There's not a lot of ebullience in Townes voice when he talks about the potential of this offense, which he's one of the pieces so I'm just wondering when Brown and Towns are going to connect, because it sounds to me like Brown is almost going out of his way now to say, like, oh, I got to do better. I got to do better as a coach. When, you know, all right, is the player going to meet him halfway or not? The numbers say it's better, but it's still. I'm curious about. And then tonight, you know, the illness, is he going to play? What does it look like? It's. It's just something. I think it's like the last thing, guys. It really is. It feels like the last guy left to get on the bus is Townes. And if he does, you know, does the whole thing now, pop, and it starts to look like it's supposed to.

[Don Hahn]

It's interesting, too, because from a production standpoint, while his shootings down, Allen, it's not like his numbers are bad. He's still 20 and 13. He's still contributing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, the last two games, he was a monster. Like, really. Like, he's been really good. And that's. I think. I'm telling you, I think Brown has started to tailor his offense and what he wants from the team to, okay, what do you want to do? And now let's give you some things to make you feel good about yourself. We always talk about coaches who have a system, and then they make the. They make the roster that they take over, fit the system. You know, how many times do we complain about a 3, 4 defense when you have 4, 3 talent, right? We've always done this. I rarely have seen a coach, especially when one comes in like this, a veteran coach taking over a veteran core, an established group of guys who had success, and you go, well, I'm changing everything they do. And that's what Brown did. We're going. We're going to change everything. We're going to do it different than Thibodeau did, and that team had success, but he's saying, this team could be even better. And then when he comes in, it doesn't quite hit right away. And instead of him forcing it or saying, well, they've got to play the way I want to play and it's going to take time and have that battle of wills. It seems like Brown has actually backed off and realized, like, okay, the whole that if it ain't broke, don't fix it kind of mentality, that he's backed off a little bit to make sure. I don't want to lose these guys, because if I lose some of these guys this early in the season, I won't be here for long. That's what it seems like to me. And I feel like, it feels like to me that Towns is the last guy that is. It has the full buy in. Because what I've seen the last couple of games is that's as much buy in as I've seen since the start of this whole thing. Guys are confused. You could see some miscommunication. It's a whole new way to play as far as up tempo, speed, get up the floor, anybody can bring the ball up. It really is a lot different than last year when it was very static and very much defense first. Jalen brings the ball up. We, you know, we set screens for him to get him open. Towns as a shooter, this feels a lot more freewheeling. And whoever's got the matchup tonight's going to dominate. And you might not get shots on a particular night because we saw Towns last week in Milwaukee and that third quarter he blew up the offense and basically was only about him getting up his FGAs because he only got one shot in the first half and he was in his own head about, I'm not getting the ball, I'm not getting my shots. When he should have been realizing he. But the defense is so focused on me, it's allowing others to cook. They had a huge second quarter in that game. And yet in the third quarter, rather than building on a lead that they had against Giannis and the Bucs, he was too much about, I got to get the ball, I got to take shots, I got to be aggressive. And it blew the whole thing up and ended up losing the game. Does he have the buy in now that if tonight Minnesota with all their bigs is saying, we're not letting Towns beat us because in Minnesota last year, he, he crushed them. So they say we're taking him out. Can he live with a game where he might only get eight shots because the defense is taking him out? But oh, Gianninoby or Bridges is putting up 25 or 30 because they're getting a one on one matchup. That's the kind of stuff I think Brown is trying to sell here. And you know, that's that. I think it's like the last piece that has to come together because it does look like when you watch this team, they have quarters where you're like, oh my God, like this. This could be unstoppable. It's really impressive. But you still gotta have all five. You gotta have everybody on board, especially your. You have one, you have two all NBA players on this team. Two all stars on this team. One of them's in, the other one's gotta be in.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, think about how good he. And he's been pretty good so far and not in. So imagine where he could be if he's actually in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's my point is, is, is if we'll, we kind of might note if he plays again. He's, he's, he's on the. He's questionable with an illness, but he's the type of guy that likes to.

[Alan Hahn]

Play, especially against this team, especially at home. They're undefeated at home. They haven't won a game on the road. It's where it's only the eighth game, guys. I mean, it takes time, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But think about it. It's only the eighth game and yet it does feel like it's starting to click already. People say, oh, it takes 20 games, it takes this and that. But even in the losses they had, they had like moments or halves where they put up 70 points. So it's like it's, it feels like it's right there. And I was just like, Like I said, I'm a little struck by Towns, who's really a nice guy, and how he just seems to be resistant to being all in. Is he that close to Tibbs that he just. I'm sure, like, it's almost like it's the new boss and I can't embrace the new boss because I like the old boss and I don't want to look disloyal. There's something weird there. And I'm just waiting for Carl Anthony Towns to just, you know, to let go and have a full buy in on everything. But it doesn't feel like it's there yet. You heard the comment, his voice, you could hear it in his voice. It just. I thought you'd get more out of a guy who put up 33 points and 14 rebounds and five assists. And, I mean, he was dunking on everybody Monday night. I thought for sure he'd be in a much better mood and he wasn't there yet.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, the moment will happen when it's supposed to happen. I've felt that from the very beginning. It's all good, these things, and we've talked about this with players who've come on the show, former players. It takes time. You have a guy you really like and have a connection to who's gone. New dude shows up, new style. Plus you were committed to someone else. It may take a while before you really get that bond. That's true in any job. It's honestly a pretty relatable thing when you think about it. So it's not actually something I'm concerned about big time.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep. Three games in four nights concludes tonight at home against Minnesota and then you don't play again till Sunday. Yeah. Against the Nets. So hey, they've been winning at home. I can honestly say they've won the games they're supposed to win. Right. Even though the Bulls have have been red hot. And look what they did to the Sixers last night. What came back from 24 points down. I watched a little bit of that game last night. They look like they had it in full control and Bulls are able to come back and win. But you got him at home and then you beat the Wizard. Supposed to do that. So still early. Something to keep an eye on. 1-800-919-3776 calls on this ton of people want to get in on the initial stuff. We got some on social media that we had forgotten about and we've got ENN coming up at six right till seven o' clock down on Rosenberg here on ESPN New York.

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Now, did you know, honestly, did you know that this Sunday night I will be hosting moderating along with my friend from one app cipher sounds. The two of us will be moderating a conversation with your wife's favorite Mark Ronson. Okay, so if you want to drop.

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[Don Hahn]

And I'm plugging the event.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well done. Use of the. Yeah, yeah.

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Because this is completely.

[Don Hahn]

If you want to, if you want to. If you, if you have any interest in bringing Nancy out. Little night in the city, grab a little dinner.

[Alan Hahn]

What night is it? Sunday.

[Don Hahn]

Sunday night. I know the kids got. Kids got school.

[Alan Hahn]

You got this thing called school. I've heard of it. Monday through Friday and it's a long day.

[Don Hahn]

I used to love that when I was a kid. When I figured out it was when I first understood what an excuse was. My parents would be like hanging out with friends and they go, oh, well, the kids got school tomorrow.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank God. I gotta tell you what a great Alan because Alan's been doing this for a while and you haven't done it yet. But taking the kids to school for the last four years. Sure. Starting from like you dream about JK now through second grade JK Rollins.

[Don Hahn]

Another good one, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm starting to have flashbacks when I went to school. All right. I don't know how I did it. How did I, How Did I get up that early every day?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Every day.

[Alan Hahn]

And then you're in school from 8:00 in the morning, like 3. Like, because, because listen, we, we have first world jobs, man. Like, I'm on the air for four hours. Oh, my God. You know, you got people that are laboring for like 12 hours a day. Like, I don't know how I did it. How did I do it? How did we do it? Sit there for like eight hours in a class.

[Don Hahn]

But by the way, do you realize how privileged you are right now saying that?

[Alan Hahn]

I know, that I appreciate.

[Don Hahn]

Because people are still doing it. Like regular jobs are. 8. 8. People get 8 and they get home at.

[Alan Hahn]

I understand. But even at work, when you working your tail off, you hope you're doing something you love, but even if you don't do something you love, you can get up, you go to the bathroom.

[Don Hahn]

That's true.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, we had to raise our hand and sometimes I said, no, hold it.

[Don Hahn]

It would be eight hours of jail.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is what you're saying, Don, that's a great point, but it also is showing too, right? Like that it's. When you're an adult, it's different. Like you said, you're in full control of your, of yourself, right? I go to a job. If you work at a cubicle, you, you do have the opportunity to get up and do things. You have the opportunity to, like, it's, it's, it's unreal that they make kids get up that early. Especially when you are from the ages of probably 12 to 16. They don't function before 10am Just can't. And yet that's when you're going to do your best learning. Stop.

[Alan Hahn]

And then you think, okay, so I got to do this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We got it all backwards. Four should be in the morning. Practice should be in the morning. School should be after.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, you got to do this, you know, seven, eight hours a day for eight months. Nine. Nine months, right. For 12 years minimum. Like, wow, how the hell did I do that? Here are some suggestions about the names. Tommy in Connecticut says R.W. mcWhorters. We won a Super Bowl.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's pretty good.

[Alan Hahn]

Captain Kirk says Ty Hilton.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, get it.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a good one. What are you doing okay? Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

How did Alan see it before you did?

[Alan Hahn]

Because he was a cult and who cares? God. JG Pajo for our hockey fans out there. That's from Matthew. Jason says lt. Lt is getting into the mj. No, that's not quite the same.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It doesn't count.

[Alan Hahn]

Doesn't count, but still, I appreciate the sentiment. Let's go to Robert in Manhattan. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, bro?

[Caller]

Good afternoon. I have a few iconic authors. Not sports. Did you mention J.K. rowling?

[Don Hahn]

I just did. I just did as a joke. But I want to warn you, I don't think you can go F. Scott Fitzgerald because it's on initials.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Caller]

The ones I have in mind are two. Well, I can give you an author you never heard of. All of the ones I'm going to mention are British. J.T. edson, E, D, S, O, N. He's an Englishman who no longer with us, but he wrote over 150 novels and short story collections of the American frontier. Very well known Englishman.

[Alan Hahn]

Robert, come on, you're talking to a.

[Don Hahn]

Bunch of sports talk. Yo yos. You know what you doing?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm going to let you continue.

[Don Hahn]

Get one more.

[Alan Hahn]

But this is gonna let you continue. Robert, you're, you're. Yeah, you're show a bit of a show off. No, no talking down to us right now. Come on. That's all right.

[Caller]

I'll give you two. I'll give you the other two when you. One is C.S. lewis, English. Was there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller]

The other is J.R.R. tolkien.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. All right, okay.

[Alan Hahn]

But otherwise you're a show. You've been of a show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is definitely.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know what you're showing off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This, this is definitely like. He's bragging. He's bragging.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, look, what I know and I know for a fact you don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I know all these wonderful British authors. Yeah, you silly little sports.

[Don Hahn]

We're a bunch of yo yos. Come on, let's be reasonable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I love it though. It's great.

[Don Hahn]

That's what it's about, by the way. I, you know, maybe divisive character, depending where your politics lie. But right now, J.D. vance, pretty big vice president. Has there been another politician with the.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just ones that have initials like again, the JFK's and FDR, but that doesn't count.

[Don Hahn]

No one called FD Roosevelt.

[Alan Hahn]

Why do I feel like there is one?

[Don Hahn]

There is one. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

But I can't think of it. But it feels like there's an old timey one that we're forgetting.

[Don Hahn]

An old timey President CeCe Coolidge.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, you talk about JQ Adams.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, JQ Adams.

[Don Hahn]

What are you talking about?

[Peter Rosenberg]

MV Buren. JQ Adams.

[Alan Hahn]

Don.

[Don Hahn]

What about MV Buren?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, there you go. From the Van Buren boys.

[Don Hahn]

You know, I know you know, M. Martin and them boys.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Harry S. H.S.

[Don Hahn]

Truman.

[Alan Hahn]

God. But I do feel. Don't you feel U.S. grant?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course, but. But you didn't call him that, though.

[Kevin Clark]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Ulysses.

[Kevin Clark]

Ulysses.

[Alan Hahn]

You did throw out the Ulysses, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

He should have went U.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what? I think he wanted to show. I think he was very proud to be Ulysses then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We've never had. We've never had an initials. You know, we've had initials in the name James K. Polk.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

No one called him JK Though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don Hahn]

No one called him Rutherford B. Hayes.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just say B.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe that's what's confused.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, nobody ever called him Rutherford Hayes.

[Don Hahn]

No, his friends did. His friends called him Rutherford Hayes.

[Alan Hahn]

Hayes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ruthy Rutzy, who was Taps first.

[Don Hahn]

Wh. That's Howard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

William Howard.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I'm. I'm.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm.

[Don Hahn]

If we have a son at any point, I am naming him Rutherford.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Beautiful. No, you're not. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

There's not enough Rutherford's anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

Did he mention T.S. eliot?

[Don Hahn]

No. Why would he mention what we've heard of?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No T.S. eliot. Was he English? He wasn't English, was he?

[Alan Hahn]

He might listen. I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guess.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Did you ever think about who Scott Fitzgerald.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was English, damn it. No, no, he's American. What am I saying?

[Alan Hahn]

He.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was American.

[Alan Hahn]

Who.

[Don Hahn]

Did you ever think about who Scott Fitzgerald had to piss off to have the name F. Scott.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

F. Scott.

[Don Hahn]

It's a crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is a great bit, though, from. From Ted made it. His name. Such a great bit.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's go to Stu in Manhattan. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Stu?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Thanks for the call. Alan, as an Islander guy, this is probably dating you a little bit, but this guy put the Islanders on the map.

[Peter Rosenberg]

J.P. parise.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

John Paul, right? Was that the JP Was John Paul?

[Caller]

Yes, it was. Yes, it was. And that was against the Rangers. And I think at the time, it was perhaps the quickest overtime goal in history.

[Peter Rosenberg]

11 seconds, right? Yep. You got 1975.

[Caller]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Mm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a good one.

[Alan Hahn]

That is a very good one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ended up being a really good player. Very good player that Mike Milbury refused to draft. What a story that was.

[Alan Hahn]

And then Lou traded up to get him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, the minute. The minute the Islanders passed on him, Lou traded up immediately.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe the great news something. Maybe the greatest draft in any sports. The 2003 draft. So many Players came out of there. Let's go to Patrick and Chatham. They're on ESPN New York. What's up Patrick?

[Caller]

Hey guys. Alan, quick question. How can you say school should start later?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you take me serious? Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. My wife is a teacher. Patrick. I'm, I'm okay, I'm sorry.

[Caller]

I didn't realize that I apologize.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, I just totally understand apologies man.

[Caller]

I came in late, just got in the car.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh good. So I was like he was hot.

[Don Hahn]

He was ready to go off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, yeah you were ready to, you're ready to pounce. You're like what? Teachers want to be out at 3. I want to get home. I, I, I, My wife would kill me if I met.

[Caller]

I'm in Jersey. And as in our school went to a little bit of a later start two years ago and it caused a huge uproar about the sports times for game time starting at the school.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I, well it's that but also Patrick, it's also in the obvious is this too is like if the kids are, if kids are getting picked up from like on a bus later, parents are already at work. Wait, wait, I got an out. How do I know they're going to get to the bus? You can't do it.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know you can't but I was just, I don't know, we were riffing.

[Don Hahn]

Although there's no world in which you could start the day a little bit later. You could shorten the day a bit because let's be honest, it's a long endless day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you understand that probably a more.

[Don Hahn]

Effective way to do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a real thing. Kids from like the age of 10 or 11 or 12 till 16, they can't function before 10am I lived it. I remember so it's, it's, that's the thing, you get nothing. How do you work with that?

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you do?

[Alan Hahn]

I had, when I was in grade school there was a new teacher that came in with the idea of having school on Saturday and people's heads explode.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm all set.

[Alan Hahn]

But he's like wait a minute, wait a minute. If we have school on Saturday would be. The school year would be a lot. We'd be done in April.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's dumb. But no other people have said that what you do is if you have, if you instead of having the two day weekend is you like school for three days and often three days and off like that whole thing.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you couldn't do it because Saturdays there's too much going on with sports on Saturday and everything else.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Alan Hahn]

It's crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But we all lived through it. We made it somehow. We have been successful. It's. It's the rite of passage.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it. You just got to do it. And I'm glad I'm done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Me too.

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You won't get grief for me on that one though.

[Alan Hahn]

Like the 60s stuff and I know it was kind of lame, but like all of the 80s stuff with Peter Cetera and like the. Yeah, the soundtrack stuff. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With ballads.

[Don Hahn]

But.

[Alan Hahn]

But dude, that's still like 30 years of work, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep. Like that's.

[Alan Hahn]

But that's a great song.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So I don't know if Peter has an opinion on it. What was it again? Chicago, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

25 or 6 to 4.

[Don Hahn]

Why is it called 25 or 6 to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Something about the time.

[Alan Hahn]

The time. Although it's. It's.

[Don Hahn]

That doesn't make sense.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, I'm sure they were all high.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were.

[Alan Hahn]

And they couldn't figure out the time. What is 25 or 624? I.

[Don Hahn]

It doesn't make sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's 54, 25 or 6. Meaning like it's. It was. What was it? It was 3, 335 or 334.

[Caller/Guest]

My dad would be upset if I didn't jump in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Caller/Guest]

Before four because he's told me the story when we hear the song. And they were racking their brains trying to come up with this song. And they were up so late at night that when they were staring at the clock, it looked like either 25 or 6 to 4. They were delirious. They didn't know what time it was.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. It's all. It's a lot of, you know, drugs and alcohol in the best way possible. Kind of like the Iron Butterfly. One of my favorite songs in the God of David. It's a 25 minute song. It's. It's really a trippy song. Right in the Godda. Davida. Yeah. In the Garden of Eden.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

But they were just so wasted that. In the gutter, David. And that's became the song. You know, there's a lot of program.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Songs that sound like that too, but.

[Alan Hahn]

They you know, they didn't change the name.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. You just didn't know what the hell he was saying.

[Alan Hahn]

But you know what it is? It's. It's turning into the skid. He's like, listen, we could correct it or we just, you know, let's go with it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Lean into it.

[Don Hahn]

Let's.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's lean right into it. And that's exactly what they did. Iron Butterfly. I don't know any other song by Iron Butterfly except that one. And it's like 25 minutes long.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Very good song.

[Don Hahn]

Sorry.

[Alan Hahn]

Trippy. You've heard it, right?

[Don Hahn]

Going 25 is strong, though, you know, You've heard this.

[Alan Hahn]

Have I? Oh, yeah. But you'll find Jacob's gonna find it as.

[Don Hahn]

What part do you choose from a 25 minute song?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you know, right out of the box, it really doesn't change a lot. It just. They're riffing, man.

[Don Hahn]

Just keeps going.

[Alan Hahn]

They're going. George has been on hold for a while and I apologize for that, George. The show kind of got away from us, so. Georgia, New Jersey, please. The floor is yours.

[Caller]

Good evening, gentlemen. Love the show. Love you guys. Don, I love you to death. I would. I would take a bullet for you. That's how much I love you.

[Mike Brown]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

That's.

[Alan Hahn]

Where in Jersey do you live? Just in case that ever comes up.

[Caller]

Oh, I'm.

[Kevin Clark]

I'm.

[Caller]

I'm up in Morristown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So close. All right.

[Alan Hahn]

If I'm in that area, though, I'll know that I'm good. All right, go ahead, George.

[Caller]

But I got to disagree with you so much on this. On this Jet stuff, in these trades, man. I have been a loyal fan of this team for 25 years. More than half my life, Don, I've dedicated to being ridiculed, teased, and mocked endlessly for my love and devotion of this football team. And they have rarely given me anything to cheer for. My daughter is almost 16 years old and basically that was around the last time the jets were in the playoffs. They've not given me anything to look forward to ever. And this has been my final straw. And so on this Wednesday, November 5, 2025, you can strike up your fraud alert music because I am done with the New York Football Jets.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Caller]

And I'm not coming back.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think it makes you a fraud. Are you going to root for another team?

[Caller]

I am going to take another team. If this were a relationship, who would put up with this disrespect for 25 years?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller]

You wouldn't stay with Nancy if She disrespected you for 25 years.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm going to call you a fraud if you go root for another team, but I get it. I. That's why I brought up to Alan about tapping out. Like, if you cannot extract any joy from this team, if rooting for them actually hurts, the prudent thing to do would be to walk away. And your analogy, George, is a perfect one. If you're in a relationship and she's cheating on you or she's beating on you or you walk away, it would be the smart thing to do. All right, But I get it. You want to try to hang in there, because one day, maybe one day, and if that does. That day does happen, it'll be glorious. But I. Alan, I can't get mad at that opinion. I just can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you can't get mad at it. I mean, finding another team, I don't know how easy that would be. That'd be a very. Like, that's starting over. That's a very difficult thing. 25 years, like, again, for me, it started in 1980. And so, like, how do I find another team and suddenly just say, I'm all in on this team? It would feel weird. It wouldn't feel comfortable.

[Alan Hahn]

The only way that you could do it is if there was another team that you liked for whatever reason or that you feel like you can pivot to. Yeah, but really, how often do you really have somebody that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

That. That's like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, there's nothing like that. It just be really hard to do.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

This one's fictional, but I like it. HR Puff and stuff.

[Don Hahn]

Someone else sent a good fictional one.

[Alan Hahn]

How did we not get that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The way Don said that was just. Why is that funny?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know. Because it's funny. HR Puffing stuff. They're puffing stuff. When I was a kid, I just thought, that's a cute name. We all watched. And then you get older, you're like, oh my God, I puffed the magic dragon. Who knew they were talking about LL.

[Don Hahn]

Cool J Count so.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's a made up name.

[Don Hahn]

That was one of the ones. LL Cool J was. Was one of the ones.

[Alan Hahn]

WP Mason's a good one too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

WP Mason.

[Don Hahn]

PC Richard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

PC Richard. Jacob and I were going back into WB Mason's history. You know, WB Mason is a real person.

[Alan Hahn]

I thought so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it. The company actually started like the 1800s.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, office supplies were big back then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Huge. Well, stamps and paper.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. How do I get that printing press delivered? So ladies love, right? Ladies love. Cool James.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cool James. Right.

[Don Hahn]

School James Thompson.

[Alan Hahn]

That's pretty confident.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's beside himself with humility, isn't he?

[Don Hahn]

I mean, he was, you know. He's making a point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, he was. He wrong.

[Don Hahn]

And by the way, did he lie?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know his background.

[Don Hahn]

Can you guess? Did you ever see any videos with a shirt off?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I, I knew. No, I, I understood. He was confident, but like, how well he did, I can only assume. Well, I mean, he's, he's a good looking rapper with hit songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

In great shape.

[Alan Hahn]

I represent Queen. She was raised out in Brooklyn. Right there he's singing us nice. Rapping about his girlfriend from Brooklyn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, he wasn't, he wasn't like when he first came up though, right? Well, Peter, you were very young, but I remember when he was like the I'm Bad album. He's skinny.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah, that's true. He was. At first he was just thin and then he got jacked.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

He called you a meatball, Mike.

[Don Hahn]

He did once. Remember that? We made up since then.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, that's good.

[Don Hahn]

But when he called me a meatball, it was tough. And, and the worst part of it, I don't know if we ever put the audio in the system.

[Alan Hahn]

I think we did. I don't know if we could find it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's old.

[Don Hahn]

It was. Not only was. Was he calling me a meatball while recording Drops, but there were other people from Hot 97 around. And while he was doing it, the whole group kept laughing like in Austin Powers. The more he said it and I'm like, I know all those. Why are all my co workers laughing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that funny.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it was like it's the press conference laugh, though. No, no, no, fortunately it wasn't.

[Don Hahn]

It was. Oh my God ll is calling him a meatball.

[Alan Hahn]

I think Jacob may have found it. He didn't find the indigada de vita, but he found this.

[Don Hahn]

There.

[Alan Hahn]

We got it.

[Don Hahn]

I can't. I thought we talked about it and put it in.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe not.

[Don Hahn]

We've done so much on the radio over the years. The Ray Row.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it might be part of the Open for enn.

[Don Hahn]

Who knows?

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