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Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. 504 in the big city with Don Lagre. Peter Rosenberg, I'm Alan Han. 800-919-3776. Of course, the number. We'll get the calls racked up and ready to go. We got a few there we got to get to. In the meantime, the jets get their first win of the season. They're now one in seven. So that makes them tied with New Orleans, who lost again at 1 and 7 for the worst records in the league. So they're not alone anymore. And if you're a Jets fan like me now, you're going, all right, well, look, the race to the bottom now suddenly has competition. But a win is a win. And on an emotional day where the franchise announced to the world that we lost Nick Mangold way too young in life at the age of 41 and all the emotions that came with that, of course, the jets to get their first win. For Aaron Glenn to get his first win as a head coach, there was some silver lining, at least to the day. But the Giants lost to the Eagles. I don't think that's the headline though, fellas.
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Go ahead.
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Because I think we kind of felt like they were walking into, you know, the Wasps nest going into Philly after what they did to them two weeks ago. But I can't get over it. And this is not, I'm not going to call it. Game turning play. I'm not going to call it a moment where the game was taken from the Giants. There were a lot of complaints about officiating in this game. The Giant defense was the biggest complaint. They could not stop the run to save their lives. They could not stop Saquon Barkley ran all over them. The kid Tank, what's his like? He went nuts and he, they brought him in to be like a punt returner or something like that, Right? But he. He was. He had a big game. But I'm. I'm still going back to something that was a big controversy in the NFL before the season. And I don't think there's a play. Of all the plays people have pointed out that the Eagles run with this tush push, this one was the most egregious when it comes to how unfair and how poorly officiated this play has become. It's 7. 7. The Eagles have the ball early in the game, and Hertz is trying to drive forward. He reaches out with the football. Kayvon Thibodeau makes a great play on the ball, knocks it free, rolls over the pile and jumps on the ball. That's a turnover. Giants ball. Instead, the officials stop and they say no forward progress was stopped. That is not a turnover. The Eagles keep the ball and what was it, one play later, Two play? Whatever it was, Barkley's in the end zone for a touchdown. It makes it 14 7. Again. I am not saying the Giants would win the game if they got that ball. What I am saying, though, guys, is, is that if that play can't solve the tush push, then it feels like it is the unstoppable play. Even if the officials aren't going to let you make a play like that and cause a turnover, it's what makes.
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It such don, in my opinion, such a horrible job by the officiating crews because it's almost like they should be having a conversation if you're the league right now. Hey, guys, we recognize this play is frustrating, not only to a lot of teams, but to fans. It's not entertaining. There's no opportunity for excitement. The same thing happens every time. So when officiating it, you need to be very mindful if something happens. Do you realize the Thibodeau play, counting yesterday, that helps the future of the tush push? If plays like that can happen, it almost can stay alive because, oh, there is something. If they reach the ball out, you can knock it out by Dom by taking that away. It's a complete disservice to the play and to all of us fans who are watching from entertainment standpoint because it says even when your player makes a fantastic play on the ball, it doesn't count. It's brutal.
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They went about trying to get rid of it in such a poor fashion during the off season because everybody thought it was jealousy against the Eagles. Nobody can stop it. Why would you want to get rid of a play just be better find a way to stop it. But never nobody ever considered the injury factor which we saw in the super bowl. And nobody can fig nobody figured out that they can't officiate it. And now what you've seen because we have the technology and people are really paying attention all the illegal things that are happening during this play that nobody gets to see because they're all bunched up together. And there's another example, one we didn't think of and that is how they can screw up. When is it the play over, when is forward progress stop now that could happen on any play. Even if there wasn't a tush push, they could have still blown that call because it's not reviewable. But it's just another example of they just don't know how to officiate it. And so hopefully there'll be enough evidence during the offseason where they'll. Officials will say sorry, I didn't see it. And the officials get embarrassed when they're not throwing flags for things that are very obvious. Replay that it'll eventually go. But the Giants don't have a kick coming because that doesn't mean the next play you got to give it up. And the defense couldn't stop anybody. So this is not coming a place of jealousy. It's not coming from a place of all the Giants would win had they called it right. There were a couple of egregious calls. But that's going to happen when you stink and you're going up against the defending super bowl champions. That's going to happen. That happened to the Giants against the Cowboys when the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls. And that's always going to happen. That's why the Chiefs get calls. That's why the Eagles get calls. The good teams get the calls and the bad teams don't get the benefit of the doubt. You gotta live with that. You want to change that, be better. So this is not coming from a place of anything other than just wanting to see the game improve and get better.
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So it.
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It has to end and hopefully it will end during the course of the offseason. But it doesn't let the Giants up from which was a poor defensive performance. So Bowen did not bounce back after what happened at the end of the game against Denver. And it just seems to me that eventually we're just getting closer and closer to blowing this whole thing up.
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Blowing the whole thing up. So like that's what I'm trying to figure out when it comes to rest of the season because, you know, usually coaches, what can happen is you can point to the fact is that they lost Cam Scatterboot to a gruesome, devastating injury. And you, you feel terrible for the kid who was having a dream rookie season, got a touchdown early in the game to make it 7:7. And him and Dart, they were, they were something that at least was, was putting life into the Giants, taking the stuffiness out of an old stodgy franchise, right? Giving it some personality and some swag. And it was, it was fun for a couple of weeks. This injury happens, you take another guy away already Malik Neighbors, who's was also bringing that kind of swag to the Giants and a great offensive target for a guy like Dart, you take him away. And so when you start losing these pieces that should be around your rookie quarterback, eventually it's like, oh, who's he throwing to? Except guys who are third stringers at this point and a couple of older veterans and Wanda Robinson, you know, and Slayton. I'm not trying to like, you know, say they're, you know, they're trash, but they're not ones, all right? They're not high end guys. And so when you're a coach, Don, you can't look at your owner and say, well, you know, we were heading the right direction, then we just got hurt. So how do you hold that against the coach when he lost some critical skill talent because of injuries? Can a coach make a case for himself that, look at the way we played, look at how we were in every game, like we were a team that couldn't do anything the first couple of weeks. And now, like every game, it's entertaining. We're battling, we're fighting. Don't blame me. You want to blame somebody. If our defense coordinator needs to go, well, that's on him. But our offense, this kid, this quarterback we have, should buy Brian Dabel more time, shouldn't it?
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Well, you got to look deeper than just, all right, we got injuries, we lost games. Is the defense, were they banged up that they gave up the points that they gave up and weren't able to bounce back from the fourth quarter in Denver?
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There's some bad tackling there.
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You know, does, does the head coach get to choose a third defensive coordinator? I mean, the Giants tied a franchise record for consecutive losses at home. They have on the road. They have not won a game on the road in a calendar year. I mean, this is pretty historic. I mean, you're going Back to the 78, 79 giants. The last time they've had this long of a winning losing streak on the road. They haven't beat Philadelphia in Philly in 14 games. That's seven years, guys.
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That's something.
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That's not all Dable, but he hasn't beaten him in his tenure here and he's in his fourth year. I get what you're saying, Alan, but you gotta, you gotta dig deeper. You gotta find other ways. Because just because he's got injuries and excuses doesn't mean that he's a good coach. If everybody stayed healthy. You know, Gary Myers had a great tweet and he's been on this for a while, that injuries are a major problem in the NFL. Major players are getting hurt, we're losing quarterbacks, and the bad teams, they sink. But the good teams kind of figure it out and they try to find a way to be able to fight through it. Sometimes you just can't fight through it and you lose your best wide receiver and you lose your best running back and you're not the most talented offense to begin with and you got a rookie quarterback. Some things you just can't overcome. But please, let's not make it out to be that had Scatterboost stayed healthy and didn't get hurt, that they were on their way to winning that game. We don't know that, especially the way the defense played, you know, so I feel robbed of what could be a lot of competitiveness. But we're going to have to, we're going to have to watch the Giants in a different way. You know, it can't just be about the wins and losses because there's not going to be a lot of wins the rest of the season. But does he hold this thing together? Do the players rally around them? Do they try to stay competitive where we can honestly say they lost that game because they're too banged up and not because they got a coach who doesn't know what he's doing and a defensive coordinator doesn't know what he's doing. And that's what John Maers got to figure out because you just can't give him the job back and, oh, by the way, give him a contract extension just because he suffered some injuries.
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It's, it's, it does make it fascinating football here the rest of the way because. Oh, yeah, you know, Scatter Boots, funny, like he, he was a pivotal part of this team. Not just the energy and the, the swag, if you will.
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It really is.
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I mean, they were a tandem. I mean, he, he really was a threat, as you saw in that Touchdown.
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How about he's not just a battering ram. He ran a route, a really good one where that swimback, it caught the.
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Ball 15 yards, 18 yards down the field.
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Just showed you that there. There's definitely some game there.
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Also, I'm the killer part for Scatter Boo is this game is so cruel, man. Like, don't you guys ever have a moment of like, you can't believe how much we've normalized this game. I saw all the players, these grown men running the opposite direction, screaming, staring off into space and we all said they're like up just another week in the NFL, someone's legs been completely turned around. In the case of Cam Scatterbo, guys, he's a four year rookie deal that if he gets every dollar in it will be a little over $5 million.
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Okay.
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And I know to us regular people that sounds like a lot of money. $5 million over four years living the lifestyle of a pro athlete is not a lot of money.
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Especially with how much you have to invest in your offseason of conditioning and all the things you have to take.
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Care of, plus your body. And if you have and all the other things you may need to pay for, you're hoping to make money on your next deal. Of course, the first deal is not a ton of money.
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And guys, not when you're that late of a pick.
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Cam Scatterboot, this nothing he's going to get is guaranteed. He wasn't some highly sought after player. It's. It's a really scary, unfortunate thing. Now we all think he's so talented he'll be able to bounce back and still be a player. But Don, it's a really scary spot. I really feel for this kid.
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No, it's amazing. Like, is football that different than it was when we were growing up or when our fathers were growing up following or our grandfathers following guys were always getting hurt or are we just. And this is a good thing, I think for society, but I think a bad thing for following sports like football that we're more sensitive to this now. You know, back in the day, it's like drag him off the field, get the next guy up. Yep. And before the salary cap, you probably had a backup that was pretty good and now you don't because you only have so much money to spend, you know, and now you've expanded and there's way more. It's. You spread things thin so you feel these injuries a lot more. But you know, I remember like, you know, doing games with, with Bottle back in the day and wasn't that long ago, but it's like, all right, you know, get him off the field. Get the next guy up here. Let's play. And I think now we're a little bit more sensitive to these athletes. We get to know them more. And like, you just brought up a great point. Yeah, he's not some. Yeah, technically he's a millionaire, but it's not like he's going to make a ton of money. By the way, he's not guaranteed.
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He's not a millionaire yet. So 800,000 this year with a signing bonus. It's.
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It's. He. And, and this surgery doesn't guarantee anything for him. Like, he's really going to have to, like, so he, He. He told the world. So if you want to. He did just a little while ago go to Twitter to thank everyone for their support. He said, surgery went well. Want to thank the city of Philly for taking the best care of me. Apparently they sent pizza and cheese steaks.
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I said, the hospital and surgery, you.
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Know, you're not eating. You are not eating because you just throw up right away. Every moment I spent in the hospital with family and friends, I felt loved and supported in every way. Thank you to the doctors, surgeons, and staff that did their best work on me. He said, this is just the beginning of my journey, and I can't wait to show you guys all about it. God has a plan for me. Stick to course and it will work. All work itself out. And he said, brb, of course. Be right back.
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And credit the Eagle fans. They gave him a standing ovation going off the field.
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You know how gruesome it was. Don't.
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Yeah, but still, you know, Philadelphia's got a reputation, so I don't think you would be that surprised if they didn't do anything.
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No, that's true.
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They, they, they, they. They cheered them. So that. That shows some growth, too. But I just think they were a little bit more sensitive to this. And, and, and also an athlete that, you know, may not get a chance to play at the level that he wants to play. So it can't just all be about the money. Sure, they get paid well, but what they're motivated to do is be able to play at the highest of levels. And you hope he recovers from this surgery and gets back to what he was doing, but there's always in question, as Alan said. So, yeah, I don't know how to look at the rest of the season. I mean, how many games you're going to win, guys Honestly, you know, they've got a tough schedule coming up. San Francisco, they got to go at Chicago.
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San Francisco is really banged up. Chicago, Chicago is heading in the wrong direction. Caleb Williams had a really bad week. There's some questions about him. All of a sudden how did they.
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Get blown out by Baltimore?
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It was bad. Like he was bad. He was missing throw. He was starting to look like Fields a little bit. We got calls again. 809-3-776. Gonna jump on those. But I, I want to talk to YouTube TV customers right now because I gotta warn you, you could lose ESPN and the sports you love, including college football, college game day, Monday night football, the NBA, college basketball and more. Take action right now. Go to keep my networks.com so you can keep ESPN. Let's go to, let's go to Moose in Jamaica real quick. What's up Moose?
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Good evening. Good afternoon. Whichever one it is, I'm frustrating Giants loss. But Don, hear me out. I know the narrative has now switched to Dable. Even though he's found his quarterback, he made the pick. He told Shane to take dart. But at the same time, I believe in Dable for a multitude of reasons and I'll lead them to two. One being if you remember the 2022 season, his rookie season, that game against Baltimore when we were down two scores with less than five minutes left in the fourth quarter, I was ready to change the channel. And then we scored a touchdown, got a fumble, scored a touchdown, got the stop, got the win. That was a huge win on our way to getting the playoffs. The second reason, while I'll give Dable and definitely Shane a chance is because if you remember the 2023 season, the Denver Broncos gave up 70 points for the high flying Dolphins offense. Right. And if you look now just two seasons later, they have one of the best defenses and they had some of the young pieces on that defense in 2023. These things take time. So I'm going to be even more patient even though it seems like he doesn't deserve it. Thanks for taking my call.
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That's fine. But again, I continue to harp on this. This would maybe be a little easier to swallow if he had a couple of years left on his contract.
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You're talking about the commitment, right?
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Extension.
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Yeah.
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Well, you want to just tack on another year and let's give it another college try next year and try. You're gonna give him a few years to say I do believe in you. It. You know, 2022 really looks like it was smoke and mirrors, guys. You look at the NFL. Why do things happen? Why do teams beat other teams? You know, and they just. Everything came together for him that season. They finished 9, 7 and 1. They won a playoff game. But since then, it's been a colossal embarrassment. You talk about the defense in time. I can't give Bowen any more time if it continues to sink like this.
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See, that's why I feel like if anyone's on the clock, it's him. Because Wink had that defense playing at a high level.
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And why isn't Wink here?
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Well, because he, he was frustrated with the offense and made it clear. Because that's what Wink is. He's a big personality. And, and then Dave's didn't like it and wanted him out.
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And why is Bowen here? Because that Dable wants choice.
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Right, Exactly.
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You saw the hard knocks and the.
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Defense wasn't very good.
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We want this guy. Look how many yards he gives up on the ground. We want this. So he picked his guy and that guy turned out to be a failure. So does he get a third defensive coordinator? You know, I. So no. I see both sides, guys. I think, I don't think it's a slam dunk either way, but it's going to be a very, very, very interesting decision.
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Well, here's one. Dave in the car has an interesting counter argument to keeping everybody in place.
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C
Okay, Dave.
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Hey, guys, look, let me just put this out there. It's very easy to say goodbye to the Giant staff, okay? All you have to do is say, you know what? You had Daniel Jones and Barkley. How many coaches in the league could build around those two players? And you didn't. You had, you got lucky your first year. A lot of close. Outside of the first year, guys, this guy has done absolutely nothing. Nothing. The Giants have been a laughing stock, not just in the NFL, in the sporting world. And you actually have people calling in now kind of like, oh, neighbors is hurt, this guy is hurt. That guy is hurt. I think Salah in San Francisco has three all pros who are gone for the year. San Francisco's still like what, 10th, 11th in defense. We gotta coach these guys up, man. We gotta get a better coach. I don't know what else to say.
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It feels like that.
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Well, how about this, Don? Daniel Jones and Jonathan Taylor, pretty good tandem, right?
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Yeah.
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Does it sound familiar? Daniel Jones right now, by the way, is in the conversation for mvp.
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C
Sure he is.
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That's Daniel Jones.
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Well, definitely come back player of the year.
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I think that's a lock. But, but because of the fact that There are injuries in this league because of the fact that there are teams that aren't playing up, up to the standard maybe we put in front of them. He has the best record in the league. He has not turned the ball over. I think what it's six of eight games, whatever it is, he doesn't turn the ball over this year. He has been really good for them and they have a running game which. And a good offensive line which allows him to play the way he can play the way you saw potential in him. So is it just a change of scenery? Is it better coaching? What is it that suddenly Unlocked Daniel Jones?
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7 and 1 get completion percentage 71. He's over 2,000 yards, 20, 62.
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What's the touchdown to interception?
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13 to 3. Can you imagine, Don, if he finishes the season 4,000 yards, 26 and 6. That's all you ever dreamt of with Daniel Jones.
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So that's why that, that's why this isn't as easy to say. Which all you have to say and we've been doing this is Dable and Dart. And if Dart says that's my coach, it's hard for an owner to say, no, he's not. We're getting somebody better because you finally got a quarterback. And if he likes the coach and he's feels that he can understand the coach and he knows the system, why you want to mess with that, that's.
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Probably your best argument to keep him. It's all you got. Not disrupt the best thing you have going. But there's a lot of other things than just the quarterback play.
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Well, does the kid, is he going to be the one that will decide it in the end? His exit interview, his whatever with the media? If I'm a reporter, I am absolutely asking him, is Brian Dabble your coach? Is he your coach? You want him to say it on the record and see if he.
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Right, he might say it, but, but, but he's also saying it because that's the guy that gave him the opportunity. I mean he's going to be biased in the sense he's got nothing else to compare it to in the NFL. And also what could possibly be out there because if this kid is as good as we hope he is, there may be coaches lining up to get a chance to come here and be the head coach of the Giants. And then you'd compare who do I want? Right. So it's. God, it is. It's going to be a. How they play, not just wins and losses, how they play the rest of the way is really going to be important.
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How it looks and especially the offense and how this quarterback continues to develop.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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C
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Catch the show on demand whenever you want to. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. 800-919-3776. Tons of calls to get through. Let's get through them. Staying on the giant conversation. Vinnie in Staten island with another side of the Shannon D. Conversation. Hey, Vinnie.
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Sup, guys? That guy just took the words out of my mouth. In eight games, Daniel Jones has figured it out. It's amazing. It's coaching. Gable and Shane gotta go. They made monumental mistakes with the Thibodeau Evan Neal draft that Evan Neal, you had a Saquon Barkley. Daniel Jones couldn't figure it out with those two guys. But Indianapolis, Philadelphia, both those guys are MVP candidates. And I just want to touch on one jets thing. The jets average age of all their star players on offense is 24 years old. Justin Fields can do this. They have to get an offensive mind in there. They're not going to get rid of Aaron Glenn. But don't go out and get a number one quarterback in the draft because that's only going to blow up in their face. Again, thank you guys. Have a nice day.
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Thanks, Vinny.
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Thank you for the call. I'll say this, Vinnie, I think you.
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Got to take a quarterback if you get the one or two. Yeah.
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If they're up that high. And unless. Let me just say this. If you don't love a quarterback and there's a position player like a left tackle or there's someone out there you love.
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You have your left tackle.
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Well, right. In that case, you. But like, like.
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C
But you're.
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What about someone up front on defense?
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I understand. Like an edge rusher.
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Edge rusher. Someone who's working and if you could.
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Trade back and get extra picks is what you're saying.
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If you don't love.
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If you don't love someone, don't force it. But you know what the scary part is? You might not love them. Somebody might. Will you trade out of that. They take that quarterback and you look at. You know what that does?
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Well, you can't worry about everything. The wrong one. It's.
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You got to know. You better know.
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Then you better know I always bring up the analogy, Ernie. Of course he knew he wanted Eli made the trade. He had conviction. If you've got conviction on somebody and you fail, all right, it'll cost you your job, but at least follow your heart. Don't do it because the fans want it. Don't do it because you're getting pressure from the media. If there's a quarterback you like, you get them at all costs. As much as it ended up being maybe the wrong move by Gettleman, he felt something in Daniel Jones. It started to age well for him because now Daniel Jones is finding it. But he took him at 6. Everybody mocked him, but that was his job and that was his conviction and he went with it. Now the one thing I'll leave out is Barkley because Barkley was here. Barkley had success here, but the team wasn't ready for his success. Philadelphia was ready. They needed a running back. So the success that Barkley's having in Philadelphia was not going to happen with the Giants. Not now. Maybe someday, but not now.
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A
So are you saying that Jones.
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C
Jones is definitely something that makes them look bad.
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A
So on the jets side, should they or should they not trade Breeze Hall? Because you watch him last week, you've seen some moments this season where he does look like a guy that can carry carry an offense. But too many times this season they haven't really utilized him the right way and the line hasn't been able to give him enough. Elaine's but he looked like a star yesterday.
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C
I have two questions before I can answer that.
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Okay.
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C
The first one is do I plan on paying him if I don't trade him?
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Yep.
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Is he part of my long term plan? If my plan is not to pay him, then by all means trade.
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Well, it's the timing thing like you said. Are they in line for a guy like that to pay him? What what he would get in the market versus trading him to a team that is needs a guy like that to help them get over the top because they're ready for it.
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Right. The other thing is what am I getting for, you know, if you tell him I'm going to get a 5th round pick then. No, that seems silly. If I'm getting a second round pick, all I'd have to think about it.
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Okay.
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But if I don't plan on keeping him. That's why the Giants were silly not to trade Saquon. The plan was not to keep him. Let him walk. Well, they could have traded him.
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A
Well, we know the story that the owner said no, right?
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The owner said no, but here, I don't think the owner would get in the way. Now you got to just say, listen, if he's not my part of my long term plans, I'm planning on not paying him a lot. Remember, you could have paid him, but you decided to give Sauce a contract. You decided to give Wilson a contract, not him. So I'm leaning on the side of maybe they don't intend on paying him. And if that's the case, then by all means, get something for him, because if there's somebody that's going to want to pay him, then he walks and you don't get anything for him.
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Ben and Selden on the Giants. What's up, Ben?
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D
Hey, Devastated Giants fan. Hi, guys. Love the show, by the way.
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A
Thanks, man.
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D
Devastated Giants fan. I mean, the neighbor's injury really hurt. This was like ripping our heart out, you know what I mean? My brother and I were talking about it. I mean, he called over the other radio station, but, you know, you guys are my guys, so I gotta call in. You can't throw. You can't throw a wrench in. Dart starts development right now. That's the only reason you got to put them on the same timeline. Dable on the same timeline extended for a couple of years. So they're all on the same timeline with their contracts. But you can't. You can't throw. You can't mess them up right now, as weird as it is. Let him have another defensive coordinator.
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Higher.
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D
I mean, maybe third time, fourth time's a charm, whatever. But you can't do that to what he's been doing right now.
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C
Donnie, that's an awful risk to take two more years. So that means that, you know, now you've got next year and 27, and if he's not the right guy, you're digging yourself even a deeper hole. Now, the development I get and development of quarterback's important, but once the quarterback is developed, now you got to go win with him. And is he the guy to help this team win a third defensive coordinator? Do you bring Kafka back? Because if you're going to bring Dable back, you got to bring the offensive coordinator back. For the continuity standpoint, is he the right guy? It's. Again, I'm not saying the caller's wrong, but I'm not saying he's right either.
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Yeah.
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C
And we do have the luxury, guys, of what, nine more games here, right? Right. Is that. I'm doing the math correct. That's right. You nailed it. Nine more games to See what it looks like.
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A
There's a lot more football to watch. Unfortunately, you can make the case that it's not going to look the same because he's missing some key pieces that would help him in the offense. And you can make the argument that, you know, there are drops that wouldn't be drops if there was neighbors there or there are. There are runs that would have been bigger runs if they had skit like. There's a lot of reasons that you could make to push back, which probably makes it harder to judge Stamatis in Astoria. You're up next to Mattis.
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D
Hey, what's up, gentlemen? How you doing?
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C
All right. All right.
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D
So here's my take. I really believe it's time.
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A
Let it.
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D
Let this go, all right? I've been a big table supporter. I just think it's time to let it go. Everything that he's done has been nothing since that one run that he had nothing to show for it other than losses and a losing atmosphere all the time with nothing but excuses. For my thing, I think that the best bet is you get. You got to move on from everybody, start fresh. My opinion, I think you bring in championship caliber, pedigree coaching. If you could bring in a Gruden and maybe an Antonio Pierce as defensive coordinator, something of that nature. And then all of a sudden you got. Here's my analogy. I think something like that will do for the Giants what hiring Thibodeau did for the Knicks, where you just change the whole. Just flip it on its ear and you have a guy that knows how to win, that knows what it takes to win, that's won at super bowl and. And Pierce has got the, you know, the Giants pedigree as well. Something like that has to happen here because you can't keep going with the same thing. Fifteen straight losses in a row at one point. We haven't won a road game in years. In a year. I'm sorry. There's too much losing, man. And as a Giants fan, I'm at my wits end with it. I was devastated yesterday, obviously, with the scatterable injury, but it's just time to get a different voice and a different leadership that's going to allow us to feel confident that we're going to win more than we're going to lose.
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A
Hey, Don, can you, as a Giants fan, handle what would come with. And I don't even know if John Mara could. What would come with being the first team to bring Gruden back into the league?
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C
I'm not even worried about that although New York is a huge market, like the Ducks were able to bring Quinnville because it's the Anaheim Ducks, you know, with the Rangers be able to bring in Quinville. Probably not.
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They wanted to.
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C
I thought.
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Right.
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There was conversation about it. Not. I guess when was it, Was it. Was it Gallant? So it was going back away. But it's tough in the market because there will be pushback. And John Mara is sensitive to his season ticket holder fan base. Right. We saw that with the, with the letters that he received from season ticket holders during the whole Kaepernick situation. So he would get pushback. I don't think Mara would do it for that reason for me. And we talked about this the other year. It's been like, it's, it's. It's been a while since Jon Gruden has been able to build a championship caliber team. We're talking like 20 years.
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A
It's funny. Name two guys that were with the Raiders and there wasn't great success when they were both either one of them.
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I know they're both with a completely poisoned, horrible franchise.
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Yeah.
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B
But whatever.
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Yeah.
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C
So I don't think is the answer and I don't think Mara would go there.
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A
Okay, let's continue talking to the people. Let's go to Joseph in Floral Park. Joseph.
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D
Hey, what's up, guys? How are you?
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Good.
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D
You know, listen, I'm a Bills fan. I don't want to like complain since we just crushed Carolina, but I'm thinking big picture here. So when, you know, Kansas City beats the Bills in the playoffs for like the fourth straight time, is it time for the Bills to finally come at Dermot? Because I'm getting sick of him. I think he's a defensive guy. I want Chucky here. I mean, Chucky up in Buffalo. Amazing. He goes through the tables, man. I mean, I want Gruden up in Buffalo. If not Gruden, maybe Cliff Kingsbury. But one last thing, if I can about the Rangers, I can do a little rant with Donnie Pucks over there.
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A
Go for it, guy.
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D
Don, this team is God awful, okay? They need to do. Why is Gabe Perot on this team? Why is Barraud not on this team? Why do I got to see Connor Sherry who won a cup 10 years ago with Sullivan, who's washed up on this team? Listen, I know that guy Tyler shot a hat trick, but he's another guy that's taking up space. What are they doing, Don? I mean, they're like because of battle jab. Is. Is. He was the Guy that should have traded instead of quieter criders killing in Anaheim like truly is a God awful gm. What are they doing? I know Dolan's clueless because he gave Glenn Saver the contract forever. Is he doing the same thing with Drury? Because this guy's lost, man. He doesn't know how to build a team. I'm sorry to defend backwards.
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C
If you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards. All right, so that's the problem is they're not committed to either one. Are you all in? Because if you're all in, then let's start trading people and let's change the face of the team and bring in some veteran guys that can go out there and win his cup with Igor Shasturk and Adam Fox and J.T. miller leading the way. Or are you rebuilding and bringing up the kids and start moving some of these contracts out. But if you're not doing either of those things, you're standing still. And if you're standing still in sports, people are going to be blown by you.
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But defense.
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C
But it looks like to me, Alan, it looks like to me, again, I'm not in it like I was, but I get it.
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But one thing I will say though is don't you think they would have moved Sabanajet if he didn't have the ability to say no.
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C
Oh, but just, just don't make it about, you know, Zabanajad. It has to be just about like the whole philosophy of what are we doing here as far as all you let Kreider go. Okay. But I think you just need to look deeper. Do I continue to add hoping is.
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The Kreider move away to get Sabana dad to look around and think, all right, I see what's going on here. I'll move on. I'll. I'll accept the trade to wherever probably.
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C
But then you got to get somebody conversation.
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A
Yeah. And then you got to get somebody to say I'll take that contract.
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C
Or, or, you know, it's difficult to eat money now with the cap and all that, but you're also, you're also looking at. All right, what direction am I going in with some of the. Like you got Connor Sherry. All right, like that's not bad. Listen, the Devils picked up Luke Glendenning in the same kind of deal and he's excelling on the fourth line for the Devils. Like, all right, so maybe that was a bad selection. You know, maybe you got to do a better finding somebody there. You went and brought in J.T. miller. Was that when you look at it, that seemed like the right move at the time. Make it about him. But if you're not moving forward and what is J.T. miller going to help if. Are you in on Panarin? Are you out? Are you going to give him a contract or are you going to trade them?
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I just feel like those like, guys like him and we mentioned his advantage. I just feel like this is a slower process, but I do think the intention is to move on from that older core that, that, you know, that had success but wasn't able to get to the top of the mountain. But it's not easy. It's not as simple as cutting a player. It's not that easy.
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C
No, it's because of the cap and.
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Because of guaranteed contracts, because of no trade clauses, it's really tough to move on. Some guys you got to let melt off. Like Panarin, let him walk, and maybe somebody at the trade deadline will say, oh, I'll take him as a mercenary. And other people like Zibanda, that you just got to make it. Make it obvious to him, like, listen, man, we're not really about you, but.
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C
That'S why I'm not ready to throw Chris Drury out because he didn't give Zabanda Jad that contract, that he didn't give him the no movement clause.
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Yeah.
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C
You know, so. But the problem is, is because it's Madison Square Garden and they want to make the playoffs after missing it last year. Let's hold on to Panarin. Maybe we catch lightning in the bottle here. And in the last year of his deal, he catches fire and we got a chance to do something, and then if he's not at the trade deadline, we'll deal him. But maybe that decision's got to be made sooner than later. Realize that maybe we're not a playoff team. Let's get something now rather than a deadline when we'll get less because then it'll be March.
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A
Yeah.
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C
You know, but you also have to talk to him because there's. There's places he's not going to want to go, like, so his hands are tied here. But you're not rebuilding. You're not all in because of the cap and because of the guys that you can't get out of. So you're really betwixt in between. And when you're stuck there in the middle, then you're not going anywhere. Like I said, if you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards. And it just feels like they're moving backwards now. It's early. You're only 10 games into the the season. Let's not, you know, get ridiculous. Right now. The Utah Mammoth are tied with the Devils for the best record in the.
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A
NHL ever since the mascot, you know.
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C
So it's still very, very, very, very early. But it looks a lot like it did last year, despite the new coach and different players. I've never felt like this before. It's like, you just get me. I feel like my true self with you. Does that sound crazy? And it doesn't hurt that you're gorgeous.
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Okay, that's it.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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C
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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A
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B
It'S totally time.
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A
Sure is. Yes. As Peter would say, bet your ace.
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C
That's right.
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A
How you feeling about tonight? Monday Night Football commies at the Chiefs. They're right there in the Philly operational Death Star.
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C
What do we got?
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A
Was it 10 and a half?
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B
10 half. Loving my guys. Everyone's sleeping on us. This is when you want.
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C
This is.
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A
These are the kind of backup quarterback defense. Completely compromised physical.
- [42:36]
C
Backup quarterback. Yeah.
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A
Professional.
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B
Thank you.
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C
One games for the commanders game.
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A
I think it's singular.
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B
No, no, no.
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A
This season.
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B
No, no, no.
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C
This season. This is not the first time that they've had to use him.
- [42:46]
B
He's. He's 1 and 1 this year. Let me just say this though. They lost to Atlanta in a game in which his offense put up 27 points. It's not like he didn't show up. He wasn't amazing.
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A
So once again, compromise defense.
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C
Who?
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B
The team.
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A
Our team.
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No, no, no. Our defense has not been good. That. That part's a concern.
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C
And playing Atlanta guys is almost like you don't know who your opponent is coming up Sunday.
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B
Yeah, exactly. I think that was the good Atlanta.
- [43:10]
A
So true. I think they another team that just set me off.
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C
This weekend we're going to play game roulette. You show up to the stadium and all the two are playing game three.
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Who scares you the most to play like as a fan, I know it's hard to ask you Alan, because everyone. Yeah. You don't have a team to.
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Because even the bad team scare me because oh my God. We're Going to lose to a bad team.
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B
Right.
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A
Like, everybody scares me. Don.
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B
Who's scared? The Giants are like, at least. They put up at least, like, an average performance on occasion. Well, who scares you the most? Is this the scariest team to play? Because I think I scared. Yeah, the Eagles, I think, scare me more, actually.
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C
They're right there. Chiefs look like they have it a little bit more together. Buffalo.
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A
Buffalo doesn't scare you?
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B
No, Buff, we. I haven't played them in a long time. Buffalo's caller's not crazy, though. We play Buffalo's bad.
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A
That caller was not. If Buffalo loses again, falls short again. Don't you think at some point they got time, they gotta make a change?
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B
Oh, no. I. I would like.
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A
You know, your work was done here.
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C
You.
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A
You turned us into an elite franchise, but you can't win the big ones. We need somebody else.
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B
Everyone would have understood if they fired him last year.
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D
Who would have pushed back?
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A
That's a good point.
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C
Listen, Buffalo could be the place for Gruden, but is he the answer?
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B
Guys, can we stop?
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C
I don't know why everybody.
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B
So it's like. It's like Michael and. And Buck Showalter. Sometimes you got to move on.
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A
But can I point something out, though?
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B
I love Buck.
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A
Didn't. Didn't Gruden win his super bowl with Tony Dungy's team?
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C
Yes.
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You know what I mean?
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C
And that was 2002.
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It was like the next year.
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C
And he had some moments with the Raiders, but I don't think he's had a winning record in a long time. I know he's doing some. Some great stuff in the media.
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A
I love that stuff. Yeah.
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C
And he's got personality and all that, so I can understand a fan base getting excited because it's not some coordinator you never heard of coming in here and being unknown, but it's a guy. It's a. It's a guy.
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B
The head coach thing is hard because you can't help but think of the names, you know? But the truth is, the next best coach out there for you, someone you're not thinking about.
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A
Yeah.
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B
No one. No one thought Sean McVeigh. And I was like, oh, I desperately want Sean McVeigh.
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A
No. Boy wonder. No.
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B
Yeah. No one thought you saw him walk.
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A
In, you're like, what is this, the equipment manager? Who's this dude?
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B
I mean, and I know he hasn't won the big one, but Kyle Shanahan's taken multiple teams to the Super Bowl.
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A
He's really.
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B
He's really good.
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A
He's good. He'll get the big one one day in football.
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C
Has Andy Reid. Yep. All right, so he's a recycled coach. So is there anybody out there? Could Tomlin get cut loose in Pittsburgh if.
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A
Now, let's keep something in my Tomlin. They haven't won a playoff game in what decade?
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C
In a long way.
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A
And losing last night's a. That's not a good look.
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C
No.
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B
Tough loss.
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A
Defense wasn't good, but they were.
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C
They had been interested.
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A
They took penalties. They were undisciplined. Like, there's a lot of things there that do put some crap. I'm a big fan of Mike Tomlin. Again, all the praise in the world about him as a man, but when you talk about this guy as a disciplinarian coach and his teams play hard. There's a lot of evidence lately of guys in a locker room doing what they want, feeling like they can go places. Over a year that has been going on there, and the cracks in the foundation are lack of discipline on a team that has a coach that everybody thinks is a true disciplinarian.
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C
So we're probably over the top in our praise for him, just as I think the fans of the Steelers are over the top that he stinks and you get rid of him. I agree. Now, I think leaning more towards the Steeler fan is that maybe it's getting stale there. You know, you've been there for a long time, and because you haven't been able to have success in the postseason, maybe just kind of wearing thin, going someplace that's not used to winning, that could be where he could still be a good coach. But time is starting to run out there in Pittsburgh. It's been a long, long time. I can understand everybody just saying you're a good coach, but it's time.
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A
You think? It's like a place when he goes to a place that desperately needs the message that he's used to delivering. But in Pittsburgh, it's kind of right. Become recycled or the same sound and they're turning it off.
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C
Now, the interesting thing is, like the Giants, who are not used to winning. You welcome in a Tomlin. Yeah, give me nine, ten wins a year. I'll take that.
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B
Right.
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C
Let's kind of build it back up. Buffalo. Is Tomlin the guy that's going to get you over the top in Buffalo since he hasn't won in such a long time? You know, so listen, horses for courses, right? Like, not everybody's, you know, perfect in the perfect place. But I do think Tomlin on a losing team would work on a winning team. I'm not 100% sold. Now the one thing I am sold on There's a lot of reasons why people buy at Ramsey Mazda.
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