Hour 3: Giants & Giannis

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast

Date: December 3, 2025
Episode Theme: Giants & Giannis – Leadership Dilemmas for the Giants, Jackson Dart’s Future, and the Giannis-to-Knicks Rumors

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Episode Overview

In this lively hour, Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg dive deep into the current drama around the New York Giants, parsing coach and player accountability—especially in relation to top pick Abdul Carter and quarterback Jackson Dart. The trio then transitions to the NBA, examining the swirling rumor mill about Giannis Antetokounmpo’s alleged interest in coming to the Knicks, and what it could mean for the league, the team, and fans. The discussion rapidly weaves in colorful stories, sharp nostalgia, and high-energy banter, making for an engaging window into New York sports talk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Abdul Carter & the Giants: Talent vs. Maturity

[02:27–08:24] Reaction to Abdul Carter’s Criticism and Growth

• Abdul Carter’s Reaction to Teammate Criticism:
  Carter is asked about teammates saying he needs to “grow up” after costly mistakes and disciplinary issues.
  • Quote (Abdul Carter, 02:35):
    “If they say something like that, I’m going to look at myself first… how can I get better and prove to them that I can earn their respect?”
• On Responding to Public Criticism:
  Carter’s attitude toward Carl Banks’ (team alumni) and others’ critiques is one of self-improvement: “Do I shy away from it, or do I accept the challenge and… be the man I’m supposed to be?” (03:01)
• Draft Pick Debate:
  Alan pushes back against critics that label Carter as a “bad draft” just because of attitude:
  • Quote (Alan Hahn, 04:11):
    “You draft him every single day of the week and twice on Sunday... It’s up to us now to get him to mature and grow up.”
• Organizational Accountability:
  The guys fault the Giants for poor standards:
  • Quote (Alan Hahn, 04:46):
    “The problem is that Brian Daboll didn't want to do that as the head coach, so your standard didn't exist… up to the organization to raise him right.”
  • Rosenberg expands: pressure to “win now” led to Carter’s undisciplined play being tolerated for too long ([05:19]).
  • This, they argue, is a byproduct of failed leadership continuity and ownership confusion.

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Coaching Pressure & Young Player Development

[08:24–12:12] How do you help gifted, stubborn players mature?

• Analogy to Other NY Teams:
  Rosenberg draws a parallel to the Rangers’ young stars (Kako and Lafrenière), emphasizing how “it’s hard when you got young kids and winning is the only thing… It’s hard because you make decisions; suspending a guy can hurt the team.” (07:33)
• Future of Giants Head Coach Role:
  Lewis Riddick joins, declaring the Giants job is “desirable” because of historic prestige and potential, despite recent struggles ([08:44]–[09:31]).

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Jackson Dart’s Recklessness: Strength or Liability?

[11:19–22:25] Dart’s Play Style, Risk, and the Franchise QB Dilemma

• Dart’s Mindset:
  Riddick and the hosts agree: Dart’s “toughness and competitive character” are admirable, but his college mindset will shorten his NFL career if he doesn’t adapt:
  • Quote (Lewis Riddick, 11:19):
    “You keep doing that in the NFL and you are going to have a very short career… Every week is like playing Alabama times ten.”
• Don’s Insight:
  He sees Dart’s attitude as honest, not necessarily combative. Dart’s “this is how I got here” response is authentic—even if it comes off as defensive ([13:07]).
• Analogy to Past Stars:
  The group recalls how ex-Jet Drew Bledsoe’s career derailed due to a massive hit, letting Tom Brady take over ([46:44]).
• Physicality as Double-Edged Sword:
  • Alan: “We know what his heart is…The point is not about making business decisions for your wallet, but about being able to have a competitive football season.” ([44:11])
  • Don: “You will also criticize him for not being available because he got hurt… can’t have it both ways.” ([45:00])
  • Peter: “They’ll encourage Scattaboo to play that way…he’s expendable. We’re talking about a quarterback you traded into the first round to get.” ([45:53])

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The Giannis-to-Knicks Rumors: Parsing Hype from Reality

[26:32–38:45] NBA’s Most Coveted Superstar, Team Leverage, and New York’s “Catbird Seat”

• Giannis Wants the Knicks?
  Don reports the NBA rumor mill:
  • “Everybody’s talking about…he just wants to play for the Knicks and he wants to be in New York…” ([26:32–27:04])
  • Compares scenario to the Carmelo Anthony situation (2011)—if the star’s only destination is NY, New York holds all the trading power.
• Why Not Push It Now?
  • Rosenberg: “So he’d be hurting himself to force something now if there really is nothing out there to create any leverage.” ([27:32])
  • Alan: “Even Shams [Charania] is saying a resolution to the talks…is expected in the coming weeks…ahead of the February 5th trade deadline.” ([28:00])
• Is Leverage Lost?
  • Quote (Peter Rosenberg, 30:00):
    “You blew your leverage, man…You’re telling everybody and their mother the only place you want to go is the Knicks…that ship sailed already.”
  • Alan floats: Should Giannis hint he’d stay in Milwaukee to create pressure for the Bucks to act ([30:28])?
• Why Fans Shouldn’t Sweat It:
  • Rosenberg: “They’re sitting in the catbird seat…It’s a new Knick world, okay?…You just have to be patient.” ([37:23])
  • The consensus: The Knicks have the power; wait until the offseason, then pounce if (when) Giannis makes his intentions clear. No need to overpay or panic.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

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On Giants’ Player Development

• Alan Hahn [04:11]:
  “You draft him every single day of the week and twice on Sunday... It’s up to us now to get him to mature and grow up.”
• Peter Rosenberg [05:19]:
  “[Daboll] should have never been in that situation in the first place... You put Dable in a situation where he was coaching for his job.”

On Jackson Dart

• Lewis Riddick [11:19]:
  “You keep doing that in the NFL and you are going to have a very short career…”
• Don Hahn [13:07]:
  “He didn’t give you some PC answer. He just gave you what he feels: I played this way my whole life. This is why I’m successful. This is why I’m here. This is why you’re excited about me as a Giants quarterback. And now you want me to dial it back. I don’t know how to do that.”
• Alan Hahn [44:11]:
  “We know what his heart is…The point is not about making business decisions for your wallet, but about being able to have a competitive football season.”

On Giannis & the Knicks

• Don Hahn [26:40]:
  “Everybody’s talking...he just wants to play for the Knicks and he wants to be in New York… It was the same as Carmelo.”
• Peter Rosenberg [30:00]:
  “You blew your leverage, man...You’re telling everybody and their mother the only place you want to go is the Knicks.”
• Peter Rosenberg [37:23]:
  “This is not the same old Knicks. They’re sitting in the catbird seat… Just wait. And you know what, Giannis? You’re in great position. You’re going to go to where you want to go. You just have to be patient.”

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Callers & Listener Reactions

• [41:39–45:57] Callers push back on Dart’s criticism:
  Multiple listeners defend Dart’s aggressiveness as what the “Giants need,” but Don, Alan and Peter refocus the discussion on the practical need for quarterback availability, not just guts and attitude.
  • Don Hahn [45:00]:
    “You can’t have it both ways...You’ll also criticize him for not being available because he got hurt…”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:27] – Giants’ Abdul Carter responds to criticism
• [05:19] – Handling Carter’s development as a leadership failure
• [08:44] – Lewis Riddick: Giants coaching job is still desirable
• [11:19] – Riddick on Jackson Dart’s need to adapt
• [13:07] – Dart’s mindset and player honesty
• [26:32] – Buzz on Giannis Antetokounmpo wanting Knicks
• [30:00] – Analysis of leverage in a potential Giannis trade
• [37:23] – “This is not the same old Knicks…” — why NYK can wait
• [41:39] – Listeners weigh in on Dart, player attitude vs. availability
• [46:44] – Drew Bledsoe anecdote: Protecting the franchise QB

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Conclusion

This episode passionately explored the intersection of talent and maturity for young Giants stars, the consequences of coaching instability, and the ticking clock of making tough business decisions in the NFL. Jumping to basketball, the hosts deconstruct the Giannis-to-Knicks rumors, emphasizing New York’s newfound power, and why patience, not panic, will likely prevail. With spirited back-and-forths, analogies from both the NFL and NBA, and plenty of classic New York attitude, fans get an insightful snapshot of critical inflection points for two major franchises.

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Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I know exactly what you meant.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

He.

[Don Hahn]

Not a clean day for Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cool, man.

[Don Hahn]

You know how they used to say, you shot the clown? Now it's about shooting.

[Alan Hahn]

I had to explain.

I had to explain to Natalie yesterday what the. How exactly the straw made such perfect sense in the Maya drop.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah. It was tremendous.

[Alan Hahn]

Do you have that over there, Anthony? It's not on my page yet, but the. If you know the show, you have to know the show. But if you know the show, there's nothing better than the Maya mama drop ending with the straw.

Mama.

[Don Hahn]

Wait, she said mama? That wasn't it. No, no, no, that wasn't it.

[Alan Hahn]

I went to try to get her to say it again.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And then Anthony hit the straw.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that. That's so well timed.

[Alan Hahn]

That was that. He understood. All right. We talked about this a lot, but we have not heard it yet. You guys want to hear from Abdul Carter desperately.

Here's Abdul Carter, the Giants, being asked about hearing teammates say that he needs to grow up.

[Abdul Carter]

I take it.

The guys who say that is guys I look up to, guys I respect. So if they say something like that, I'm going to look at myself first, like, all right, what am I doing? How can I get better and prove to them that I can earn their respect? Like I said, grow up and be Where I'm supposed to be.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, Carl Banks has been critical of Carter, and we know he was critical of Dexter Lawrence, who did not take it very well. Here's Abdul Carter. How do you respond to Carl Banks?

[Abdul Carter]

I would say just what I do on the field after I've been through this, all this atrocity and all the controversy, just how do I respond? Do I shy away from it, or do I accept the challenge and become better and improve, keep improving and be the man I'm supposed to be?

[Alan Hahn]

Not sure what. Not sure what attroverse is, but I hope he works on it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think it's a. I think it was an invented word that we had. We. We thought we invented a word earlier.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the week with Anthony during enn, and we found out it's something filthy.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, what was that?

[Don Hahn]

Well, you want to. You want to say the word one time, Anthony.

[Alan Hahn]

Want to tell me my ear?

[Don Hahn]

No, in my ear.

[Alan Hahn]

In my ear?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, in his ear. Whisper it softly.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a real word.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Heard of that?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, apparently. I'll look it up, but let's, like, leave a quarter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do it on your phone, not on the company computers.

[Alan Hahn]

Got it done.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Appreciate that.

[Don Hahn]

Probably wait till after the show. Look, can we though at least, like I said, that that sound bite that made the rounds yesterday that everybody was killing him for because he sounded combative, was not the entire constant context of his interview Postgate, where he did show contrition, where he did admit that he's got to be better, where he did sound like somebody that was embarrassed about what happened and mad at himself for letting his team down, which is exactly the words he said as he had to sit there and watch his team give up points while he wasn't out there. So, you know, everybody wants to kill him and talk about how it's a bad draft pick, which, by the way, going into the draft, that was the obvious pick, right? With the Giant. He was the best physical, physically, the best player available in the draft. You draft him every single day of the week and twice on Sunday. Like, this is not a. What a bad draft by Joe Shane? No, it's what Joe Shane said. It's up to us now to get him to mature and grow up. The problem is, is that Brian Dabel didn't want to do that as the head coach, so your standard didn't exist. And so for him, when he was in college, didn't have to. He wasn't held to a standard in college. He was able to do whatever he wanted to do. He dominated. So he came in. Nobody helped him to a standard, got away with it. So he kept doing. Is up to the organization to raise him right and they've got to get to doing that. That's the first thing that Kafka wanted.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To do right out of the gate and that's. And that's where John Maris screwed up. By being half pregnant on bringing them back and not extending them. You put Dable in a situation where he was coaching for his job. Now, I'm not apologizing for what he did, but put yourself in Dable shoes. I need to win games to save my job. I've got the third overall pick. He started the season playing pretty well. There weren't the stats didn't show it, but he was being disruptive on defense and it would have been tough to pull him out. So it's easy to say should have suspended him, should have done something with him. But hey, you're going to make business decisions, right? And his business decision was I've got to keep him in the lineup because I got to win games. Tom Kaplan did the same thing with Plexigo Burrs. All right, one series. Plexigo stayed out because he missed. He missed a meeting or was late to a meeting or whatever. But Coughlin was the situation. I got to win games. I need him in that game, I think was a home against Seattle, you know, so you play the. Play the stupid reindeer games. So he was put in that position because he knew he had to win X amount of games in his head, whatever it was to save his job. He should have never been in that situation in the first place. Like you heard. And I disagree with him. But you heard what, what Booger said, that he would have extended Dable because he wanted him attached to the quarterback.

That would have been the decision to make at the beginning of the year. I'm bringing you back and I'm going to show confidence in you. I'm going to attack in another year so you don't feel this stress of having to win every single game and make bad decisions for the organization and for players to save your job. And that's what happened, guys. That's flat out what happened. That's what happened with Carter not being disciplined. That happened with some of the play calling with their quarterback, Jackson Dart. And it led to maybe Dart putting himself in some tough situations and it led to now Abdul Carter, who you have so much invested in, is the third overall pick in the draft in a really immature spot. And hopefully he learns from this.

Last.

[Alan Hahn]

Thing from Carter on what he's learned.

[Abdul Carter]

I'm learning a lot, just being a man, being in it, being in the NFL, just going through it. I'm learning a lot, and I'm glad I'm going through it so. So I can be better prepared in the future.

[Don Hahn]

All right. He's putting a spin on it, but there's no way you're glad you're going through it. But he's trying to make it. Make it a positive, but good for him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, that's the right way to do it, though. Listen, he's learned it. It's a little late for this season and it stinks. He went through it, but maybe it's something. We'll look back and say it was a good thing to happen to him because look how well he's playing and how disciplined he is. But this. What. It's kind of tough. Like, I've always said it about the Rangers. Right. It was really tough for Kako and lafreniere to learn on a team that was expected to win the Stanley cup because. What are you doing? I can't. I can't nurture you. I need you to score because I need to. I'm trying to win a Cup. All right, Brian Dabel. I can't nurture you. I need you out there to make tackles and sack the quarterback. Because I need to win games to save my job. That's why it's really hard when you got young kids and winning is the only thing and expect them to learn at the same time. It's hard because you make decisions, suspension a guy, suspending a guy can hurt the team. Right.

Of course, Gable probably didn't feel like he was in a situation to make that sacrifice.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, staying with the Giants and the Kafka situation and what the future will hold here. Lewis Riddick was on with Dpietro and Rothenberg earlier, and he was asked, how attractive is the head coaching job of the Giants?

[Lewis Riddick]

The New York Giants. There's no question that people who are involved in this profession, whether it be front office executives or aspiring head coaches, you know, coordinators who want to be head coaches or head coaches who may be moving, changing jobs, which, you know, if you listen, it's all the speculation out there. There's all kinds. There's head coaches right now who people believe should, like, make the move to the New York Giants, which is kind of crazy to me, but, yeah, it's a desirable job. It's a place with a long, long decorated history. It's a blue blood and then I know people, you know, who are New York Giants fans are going to say what the hell are you talking about? We haven't won anything in years. You've done plenty in your, you have plenty in your history as far as high level accomplishment. And there are plenty of guys who would love to be tasked with trying to restore the New York Giants to past glory.

[Alan Hahn]

I think we all agree with that sentiment.

[Don Hahn]

Right? Yeah. I don't. Yeah. It's just because recently the team has gone through some struggles and again, they're not the Jets. It's different.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So because you can't shake your past. Right. I mean it's still always going to be there. Negative or positive. I don't remember the exact year might have been when Bill Parcells got the job or soon after. So it's going back to the 80s. The Giants hadn't won a Super Bowl. Giants Giants had one playoff appearance in like two decades. And he still said the Giants are one of the flagship franchises in the NFL. And it's true. It's like an original six team in the NHL. Right. There's just something that resonates when the team that's got that kind of lush history that, and also in an iconic city like that combination of being and I being a franchise has been around for 100 years in the biggest city in North America. It's, it's a special job. It still is. Despite all the losing.

[Alan Hahn]

Riddick was asked what's wrong with the Giants.

[Lewis Riddick]

It's never as simple as answer. It's never a simple answer. And there's always things that are going on with inside of the walls of an organization that you never, that you just don't hear about. And that really would probably blow your mind as far as the kind of dysfunction that some individuals and some departments can really sow within an organization that's just, it's just so counterproductive and so misguided. And obviously that was the case with what was going on with, you know, what happened with rape when he was down in Tennessee as opposed to what's happening within the New England right now. Because I mean he's just, he's got everything clicking up there right now. He really does. And, and, and the Giants have to try and figure out a way to find to kind of talk.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I, I hate to do it to a guest, but this, he didn't go anywhere and get to the end. This, this, this interests me more. Riddick on Jackson Dart needing to change his ways.

[Lewis Riddick]

I admire Jackson's toughness And his competitive character. I really do. But it's this stigma to say, look, it's football, this is the way I've always played. And like kind of stubbed your nose at the people who are trying to tell you that you can't continue to think that you can just play the game the way that you've always played it. And the results are going to be what you think they're going to be in terms of your availability. This is the NFL. I know you played in the sec. I know you played high level football and you've always put your body on the line. That's one of the things that endears you to people. You keep doing that in the NFL and you are going to have a very short career. You, you just are, you saw what can happen just the other night. People are going to hunt you down. Every week is like playing Alabama Times 10. Jackson's going to have to come to that realization himself and his. And his team, meaning his teammates, his inner circle, are going to need to kind of say, hey, look, you understand that like the number one ability you have in this league is availability. We hear that all the time. And you're being selfish.

[Don Hahn]

Man.

[Alan Hahn]

That's an interesting, an interesting but logical sort of.

Thought process there, Alan. Of like, at a certain point, no matter how much you say, this is what I did, this is how I do, you are now the most important piece of an entire business with hundreds of people who are a part of it.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Affected by your health. Yeah, but look, and I was telling Rick this, so I'll share it on the air. Watching Jackson Dart's post game press conference gave me such nostalgia because I'm watching him and his mannerisms with the media and what he's saying and how he's saying it, facial expressions, all of it. And I'm like, I've seen this before. And then I realized what it was. Rick. Ironically, a goal horn happens when I say Rick's name.

But it's because he's thoughtful in his answers, but he's coming off as being combative. But I think Dart's trying to give like a thoughtful response to the concern. He's well aware, first of all, you know, he's paying attention to every headline and everything being said about him. He's, he's definitely that kind of guy. He knows everybody keeps saying, you know, you're gonna get hurt, you gotta be careful and all that stuff and what he was trying to say, but it came off arrogant and combative, which it wasn't, was this is how I got here. Like, you can't ask me to go. Like, I get here, I finally made it, and now you're telling me dial it back. I don't know any other way. And he thought he did dial it back. Like, Rick was the same way with us. When he's 19 years old, he's in the NHL and he's the same kind of personality. He's aware of everything. He knew everything being said about him. And so when you would challenge him about things or ask him things about, you know, overplaying the puck or something, well, that's why I was drafted. You know, like, and you think he's fighting with you when really he's just trying to give you an answer that you understand. This is what I'm thinking. And so I think Dart was being very open about his, how he felt. He didn't give you a, like, he didn't give you some P, like, PC answer. He just gave you what he feels. I played this way my whole life. This is why I'm successful. This is why I'm here. This is why you're excited about me as a Giants quarterback. And now you want me to dial it back. I don't know how to do that. I thought I did slide. I thought I did try things. Like, I can't do. You can't expect me. Now he's going to look back at that five, 10 years from now and you'll show him that clip and he'll laugh at himself and he'll say, I was an idiot. But in the moment right now, I think he was being earnest with his response. I don't think he was being arrogant, brash, or combative. I think he was being honest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now on the injury in Chicago, he had a great defense. He's like, I fumbled the football and that led to what happened. But the play. And he didn't get hurt on the play. But the thing that everybody's focused on for Monday is the hit out of bounds or the hit inbounds that knocked him like 10ft out of bounds. What was that for one extra yard, right? Like, I mean, you got to make better decisions there, right?

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's, that's him just being that. That's not smart. That's all right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, listen, most Mahomes is just a danger. You saw that two point conversion. That's brilliant. That's what Dart's supposed to do, buy time. And finally somebody gets open, he gets a two point conversion. That's great. But you know what? As great as that extra yard might be someday, you know, maybe it's a playoff game. You need a first down on that particular play, man, you know, just get out of bounds. If he's one yard sooner, then. It's a frustrating play for New England because they almost got him and didn't. Instead, he ended up getting blasted and lucky he didn't get himself hurt, never mind concussion. Lucky he didn't, you know, break something. He got blitzed.

[Alan Hahn]

He flew like six feet in the air. It was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's great. And for what, Peter? For what, an extra couple yards?

[Alan Hahn]

Not even. I mean, the bottom line is, when you're on the sideline like that, if you're a quarterback, you know, once the player is approaching, once they're within shot yet once they're within a body's length of me, you have to step out or they're allowed to hit you.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's for nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is.

[Don Hahn]

And it's. Again, him and Scatter were the reason why the two of them get along so well. They're both the same way. They're both wired the same way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

This is all they know. Now, again, he's got to figure out. I'm wondering who is the vet, like the. Either the former quarterback or the. The giant. To me, like, if I'm running the organization, I would try to find someone that he would, first of all, like, that he would respect and listen to and. And have them work together in the off season about this stuff. Exactly. This. Like, I play. Here, let me show you some film. I play. I played just like you. I did. I do all the. And I agree with. You got to use your legs. You got to be. But these are some things that you need to, like, incorporate in your game so you have longevity.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And if he is somebody that listens to the noise. And I agree with.

[Don Hahn]

He does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because I think when you are out there, you're doing it for attention, and you want to listen to what they're saying about you. And if you're listening to what they're saying about you, you're listening to what they're saying about the Giants. So while he was injured or while he was sitting there watching Russell Wilson waiting for his opportunity, what was the criticism of Russell Wilson? You. You said it, Alan. He's making business decisions. He's. He could have got that first. First down and didn't. You know, he's probably thinking to himself, oh, they're not going to say that about me when I'm out there, man. They're not going to have to worry about me making business decisions. I'm going to be making winning decisions. I'm going to get that first down, I'm going to dive, you know, and I'm sure that built up in his mind is I'm going to do all the things I did at Ole Miss. Well, you know what? You didn't have a professional knocking you out of bounds. You didn't. You have guys that could try to kill you. And he'll learn. You just hope, you know, there's. There's time.

[Don Hahn]

Now again, everybody that wants Jon Gruden to be the Giants head coach, there's this video out there, famous interview or the sit down they did together. Gruden and Dart. And Gruden's been on social media talking about Dart too, more recently. But Dart didn't even listen to him. And he showed him video and he said he was calling him out, showing the video. Like, this is dumb. This is too. I can't have you do this. He's calling him out and he didn't react.

[Kevin Clark]

You know what I mean?

[Don Hahn]

Like, so you think Gruden comes in as a Giant? Oh, he'll fix that. No, they did a video session together. It meant nothing to him. Nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's hard when you know that you were drafted in the first round because of playing that way and you've been doing it forever.

[Don Hahn]

This is who I am now you want me to stop, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. And how. And who am I without that?

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you gotta find it though. We can all agree. But I. But you were. You were off Monday, people. Peter. But I had said, I do sometimes feel like we spend a lot of time on this deflecting away from. From other things about him, hoping that he's not like injury prone or that he is somebody that's susceptible to concussions. Are we using all the Giants used him wrong or he's making bad decisions on the field. Remember Carl Banks? We had him on the day after or the day that Dable was fired, saying there were only four design runs on that in that game against Chicago. He did not get injured because of.

Anything. He just fumbled the ball. He got injured, he fell down. It just had happens. Like, I hope that there isn't an issue where he's just susceptible to concussions because if that's the case, then forget it. It's not going to work out. It's not going to happen worse than anything. So hopefully we're not exaggerating the decision making because it's distracting from the other issue. That he may have an issue with concussions. And if that's the case, then he is not going to be the franchise quarterback, we hope.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

It's troubling. It's.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

We've seen a lot of wonderful things here from the kid.

[Don Hahn]

I don't think it's troubling, but we have. I don't think it's troubling.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, which part?

[Don Hahn]

Like what? He's. He's aggressive. He's young and aggressive.

[Alan Hahn]

How about this? How about parts of it could be disconcerting? How about that? Troubling. Strong.

[Don Hahn]

I just. I don't see any of that. Like, to. You know what would be troubling for me? If he. If he couldn't hit the target, if his passes were missing by miles, if he looked at his receiver and said, I. I know you're open. I didn't see you. I can't see you. That would be troubling. That was Zach Wilson. That's troubling.

[Alan Hahn]

There's different versions of trouble. He knows how to play quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

No, but the guy. The Hill experience will teach him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not worried about. I see a guy that's accurate, that's smart, that processes quickly, which not a lot of guys can do. That's athletic, tough as nails. And also his teammates seem to respond to him. These are all great things. I would rather have asked you to dial it back than try to get you to ramp it up. Those guys drive me crazy. Give me the guy that I got to reel in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I get that, but it still could be troubling in the sense that all this talent is wasted because you're. You're in concussion protocol or you're unavailable.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he's had one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We. He's been in the tent four times this year. Not all for concussions, but, you know, so.

[Don Hahn]

I know, and he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen. RG3 wasn't all concussions either.

[Don Hahn]

No. The rest of his body gave out.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's the thing. It's different strokes for different folks. 1-800-919-377 on weekends, let's know. That's called Beating the Chief. That's beating the Chief.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Different Strokes was on Tuesdays.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that true?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

It was a Tuesday. Vehicle never.

[Alan Hahn]

I never watched it live. I only watched it in reruns.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because you were. You were born in 79.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. When was that show on the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Up to what, 86?

[Alan Hahn]

It's. It was early. Even when I watched it in reruns, it did feel like it was pretty.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pretty old.

I believe. It was like different strokes going into Three's Company. It was, it was, it was a hell of a.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a big. That's a big.

[Don Hahn]

It was a lineup. Those were lineups, man. Back then, forget back when there was tv.

[Alan Hahn]

Was different strokes on the same time as Silver spoons. Same era.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, little earlier.

[Don Hahn]

I gotta think it's earlier, but not too earlier.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what?

[Alan Hahn]

I gotta be honest. I don't really remember the storyline of Silver Spoons.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, Ricky Schroeder, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Wasn't Jason Bateman in that too?

[Alan Hahn]

He's his friend.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I did not watch.

[Alan Hahn]

Here we are, face to face. A couple of silver spoons.

[Don Hahn]

Rich kid, rich family.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, but then what?

[Don Hahn]

You know, just antics.

[Alan Hahn]

Hi, Jinx.

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This Gianna's story, guys. Just I. The more I'm, you know, I'm just texting around to people around the league and stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cool, man.

[Don Hahn]

Well, because everybody. Yeah, because everybody's talking. Well, because in the NBA it's like the thing everybody's talking about and it's amazing that the conclusion is that he just wants to play for the Knicks and he wants to be in New York and a lot of other teams are like, would they get involved? And it doesn't sound like it.

Like, for the reasons, like I just gave you. Everybody just knows, like, that's where he wants to go. It was the same as Carmelo. Carmelo wanted to play for the Knicks. He really didn't want to play for anybody else. He wanted to play for the Knicks. He said after the fact that as much as the Nets were trying to make the move and all that stuff, and he pretended to want to go, he would have taken the Brooklyn deal. He's like, oh, no, I was never going to take that deal. Like, he only wanted to play at the guard and he only wanted to play for the Knicks. But it was feels like that all over again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So there. So he'd be hurting himself to force something now if there really is nothing out there to create any leverage, because now nobody would believe him if all of a sudden he said, oh, you know, I'll play for the Heat, sure, yeah, then. And they wouldn't buy it anyway. So just bide your time, man. You're not that far out of a play in. I'm not saying it's great situation, but don't you want to put yourself in New York with the best possible situation?

[Don Hahn]

Why force the issue now? The. The again, as a story from Shams goes, so he and his agent are having conversations with the Bucks about his future and discussing whether his best fit is staying, which we all know that's not the best fit, or moving elsewhere. That's something that they discussed in the summer that we've all talked about already. Like, we knew this was already a discussion in the summer. But it is interesting that. Did he give the Bucks 20 games? Did he say, all right, I'll give you the first quarter. If we're not like, if we don't look like a team that can compete, then we got to do. We got to open this up and revisit this again. I don't want to waste any more of my time because that's where we are. We're at the quarter, first quarter of the NBA season, and this comes out now. So. But here's the key is in this. So people always want immediacy, like, oh, this. This could happen any moment. And that's why I'm telling everybody, just pump the brakes. What Don's saying is exactly what I think is true, because even Shams is Saying a resolution to the talks, these conversations they're having, like, what's the conversation, by the way? But the resolution is expected in the coming weeks, which will result in the idea of whether or not he's going to be available ahead of the February 5th trade deadline. So, you know, the thought that this could go down in a couple of days, I think this is more of, take now the next month or so and see what teams or what deal you can make, and also let the Knicks kind of decide whether or not this season's going the way they need it to go or wanted it to go, or whether it's like, you know, maybe we're not. Maybe we're not going to be able to contend. Maybe we should make this move now. Like, those are all the things I think are going to be in discussion over the next couple of weeks. But this whole idea of we're going to talk and decide whether or not I should stay or go, we all know what the decision. You already made it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I don't see a scenario where it makes any sense for him or the Knicks for it to happen this season.

Sorry, you blew your leverage, man. If you played this differently a year ago and at least said that you wanted out, but, you know, you like Miami, you like what's going on there. If you created some leverage for yourself, but you didn't. You're telling everybody and their mother the only place you want to go is the Knicks, so you can live with it. I feel bad that Milwaukee's not going to be able to get the mint that they're hoping for if there were some leverage and get teams bidding for each other. But now that that ship sailed already.

[Alan Hahn]

So now maybe that's the conversation they're having today, though, is we want to talk about what the future is. And, yeah, it may not be New York. Could it be somewhere else? Maybe he wants out more than he wants New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, then stop, Gav. These reports that the Knicks are the only place he wants to go now, if you come out of those. Me, I think. I think the most believable thing, Peter, and I'm not sure people would buy it, but more believable than, hey, I'll go to Miami or I'll go someplace else, is coming out of those meetings and feeling like I might stay in Milwaukee convince me that they're going to try to make it work and get some pieces so we get back to being a championship team again, right, Alan? I think that that's probably. If you're trying to create Leverage that might have the most traction.

[Don Hahn]

The ideologist stay here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And I'm not saying that's any more believable, but I don't think anybody's going to buy another team.

[Don Hahn]

Here's why it's not believable. Believable, because this is not something new. And I don't even mean that, because we've already heard this in the summer. I'm telling you that this isn't new, because this has been this. There's been rumblings of this for the last couple of years.

That this is not new. Now, it's coming to light now more than it ever has before, because anytime it was whispered in the past, it was shot down immediately. You know, he kept signing extensions like there was nothing going on. But from when Budenholzer was fired to. They brought in Adrian Griffin, the coach, and that didn't work, and he couldn't. He didn't want to deal with him anymore. They get him out, they bring in Doc, they do the Lillard trade to try to make him happy. They were doing all these things to try to make him happy and make him want to just stay there forever. But there was always this sense from him that it wasn't going to be forever. Once he won that NBA championship, it was almost like that was his. That was his key out the door. And I've heard this from a lot. You know, again, you're. You're in the same circles of a lot of people who know stuff. And it's. Anytime they see somebody that's connected to the Knicks, it's always like, oh, you know, you're going to love Giannis. It's like, all right, whatever. So you keep hearing that, but I'm telling you, I always say, where the smoke, there's fire. And this thing has been smoking for a while.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's, let's, let's on this. We want to talk to the people. Let's hear from Chris and want to. Hey, Chris.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. I just want to comment on a few things before I get my, my whole next point. Don, the reason I get done now is because Dolan wants it now and Giannis wants it done now, and the Bucks are just gonna do right by Giannis.

If this trade does happen. Alan, real quick. Is it Cat and some other things, or is it Mitch and og?

[Don Hahn]

I don't know.

[Caller]

That's why.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it's got to. It's got to work. The money has to work, and you can't take. You cannot take in more, and that's.

[Caller]

Why it happens now? Because the Knicks want to get rid of Cat. We want to get. And I think, like, like, listen, I just want to be honest, this whole.

[Don Hahn]

I wouldn't say they want to get. Because I'd be careful saying they want to get rid of. Rid of him. They don't.

If you can get an upgrade, you're always going to consider everything, right? If you get one of the best players in the league, you consider everything.

[Caller]

But I've been trying to make this call since we. Since Mike Brown gave the game away in Orlando, and I just. As a, As a Knicks fan who's been suffering for 30 years, it just feels like if we don't end up with Giannis, that we've closed this window ourselves thanks to Dolan. Because, Alan, you said all last year in no chance. And you know what? Should Tom Thibodeau get fired? And then he has the best season we've had in 30 years. And we hired a coach we could have easily hired to be his assistant coach. And that game in Orlando, when he pulled the players with nearly three minutes.

[Don Hahn]

Left, 13 points, under three down to it. Under three down 12.

[Caller]

It was 13 minutes. It was 13 points, two and a half minutes. I looked it up yesterday, and when he. Jalen was pissed. Jalen was pissed when Tiz got fired. And you know what? All this happened when we, when we brought in towns. We didn't have to bring in towns last year.

[Don Hahn]

All right, all right.

But Chris, Chris, just one key point here, because I've said this over and over again. The Tibbs future with the Knicks ended with the exit interviews from talking to players.

That's. That's because that's it. That's where it ended.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And.

Where else is he going to go? If he only wants to be a Knick, then the Bucks are willing to trade him. It's only a matter of when, not if.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, the Bucks don't want to trade him. They have to. We're going to reach a point where they're going to have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're going to have no choice. And I don't think Dolan's going to make it happen now. Make it happen now. You know you're going to get him in the offseason. Because that was the problem with the. The other thing that, that hurt Carmelo, right. They could have locked out for him to be a free agent, but they.

[Don Hahn]

Couldn'T wait because he was. There was going to be a lockout, and that was going to change everything financially. That's why he didn't Want to wait.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But there's nothing pending now.

[Don Hahn]

No, it just wait.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, matter of fact, I think considering a deal like. Like you said, it's going to be so hard with all the moving parts to make it happen now that you might actually not be in as good a position in the middle of the year if you made the deal on February 5, than if you made it during the off season. So you got a good team. You got a team that still reasonably can get to the NBA Finals without Giannis. So I don't think Dolan's going to be sitting there going, I got to make this deal now. No, this building's full. His team is relevant. They've got a chance to come out of the Eastern Conference as is. So why would Dolan be hot to do it now? It just doesn't make any sense for it to happen now other than the news cycle where everybody brings it up, because what else are we going to be talking about in December with the NBA?

[Don Hahn]

How do you think it got out? Do you think. Do you think the Bucks put it out there? No, it's Giannis. He wants it out.

[Alan Hahn]

Giannis hits up Wendy himself.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, it's.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, through someone. There's agent.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I'm sure it's his agent or whatever. You know how this stuff works.

[Alan Hahn]

Agent reaches out to Wendy and says, it's well.

[Don Hahn]

Or calls are made, and. And you get a response that you're like, okay, there's something. Usually how it goes, and you want it because you want to get that conversation started again to put the press on the Bucks. That's what you're trying to do. A lot of this stuff is, like you said, that, you know, stay in the. In the. In the news cycle. That is a real thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know, the Bucks are getting irrelevant. They're losing again. Like, it's kind of slipping away. Giannis not happy about it, and when he's not happy, his agent's got to do something to make him happy. So. All right, let's get. Let's get people talking about you. Let's get people putting out ideas, and let's see if we can accelerate the process, advance the cause, you know, which we. We don't think it'll happen, but let's. Let's do this anyway. And that's what's going on right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I heard it in the voice of the caller. I heard this being talked about on the morning show today, that this is not the same old Knicks. They're sitting in the catbird seat.

They're gonna get this guy, all right? You don't have to worry about somebody else swooping in him, changing his mind. The Knicks are a destination now, and he wants to be here. It's a new Knick world, okay? It's not the old Knicks that are going to find some way to screw this up, or if they do make the deal, they end up giving up too much and they end up regretting it like a lot of people felt in the Carmelo deal. No, they are in really good position. Just. Just wait. And you know what, Giannis? You're in great position. You're going to go to where you want to go. You just have to be patient.

[Don Hahn]

Hmm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are we talking about here? It's December 3rd. You're asking a question out of the 10 seed. Like, you're not asking to make sacrifices here, are we?

[Don Hahn]

You're asking a player to.

Like, to sacrifice is playing a season, risking injury, you know, putting more miles on you. Like that kind of stuff. That's. I think that's. When you're a player, I think that's the stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can't have your cake and eat it too, man. You're. You're. You are a all world player that can dictate where he wants to go. Sorry you don't have the win right now, but at least you know you're going to end up where you want to go. All right, you've got a ring.

[Don Hahn]

And did we have a. Did we have a hard out on YouTube?

[Alan Hahn]

What happened to commercial?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they went right to commercial.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, there we are.

No, nothing.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen, I looked up.

[Don Hahn]

I'm like, wait, we're in a break chatting right now.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe it was a hint from the gods, though, because we do have a bunch of calls. Giants related. We did not get to yet. We want to talk to these Giants people. We'll get to you next. We got ENN also coming up at 6 o', clock. Like you dream about.

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Oh, yeah.

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[Alan Hahn]

All right, let's get right to it. 1-800-919-3776 we were just talking Knicks, but before that talking some New York Giants as well. Anthony and Far Long. What's going on?

[Caller]

Hey guys, what's up?

[Alan Hahn]

Hey buddy.

[Caller]

I wanted to say, like, this conversation around Dart is just so crazy to me. Here we have a guy on a team that in the last decade has been the worst team in the NFL. Not only a bad team, but a team that doesn't know how to win. And that doesn't happen by accident. That happens because of lack of leadership and poor attitude. And here we have a guy willing in meaningless games to put his life and his body on the line to win. And everybody's criticizing for him. And it's just, it's crazy because like, it wasn't that long ago where we would have celebrated Athletes for this, Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And we would have said, well, because.

[Caller]

Like Don, you're a little older than me. Imagine like 10 or 15 years ago, an athlete got up on the stand because I heard somebody on the, on your station say he's got to be careful because he hasn't gotten his $300 million contract, right? So imagine 15 years ago, a quarterback is at a press conference after a game and they're saying, hey, why did you go out of bounds a yard before the first down? And he says, well, I gotta be careful. I haven't got my 300 million dollar contract.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but, but you're. But that's not what we're saying here. He missed two games.

[Caller]

It's about attitude.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but he missed two games.

[Caller]

It's about an attitude that the Giants need that everybody is trying to.

[Don Hahn]

Win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're painting a picture of him making business decisions for his money. We're talking about a guy's availability. The Giants won two Super Bowls.

[Caller]

I'm talking about attitude. I need a guy who's gonna want to win.

[Alan Hahn]

Anthony, real quick, God bless you. What did, what did Jaden Daniel's great attitude get me this year?

[Don Hahn]

Season.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it.

[Don Hahn]

It got.

[Caller]

It got him hurt.

[Don Hahn]

No, season.

[Alan Hahn]

Season gone. Season gone.

[Caller]

What about last year? What about last year?

[Alan Hahn]

He happened to not get hurt. But if the decisions aren't good and you make bad decisions, you may cause your team an entire year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is, this is, is. It's a ridiculous point because we're not talking about a guy going to the podium and saying, well, I ran out of bounds because I got a $300 million. No, that's. You're painting a picture, a scenario that of course we would rip him for.

[Alan Hahn]

Of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I've been covering football for, like, since 1999, and I did the jets for 16 years. And whenever there was a young quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

That dove head first for a first.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Down, the questions always were after the game, why did you do that? You can get yourself hurt, not applaud him for going and getting the first down because quarterbacks are fragile and they're so vitally important in this sport.

[Alan Hahn]

And we already know his heart.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Contending this year, Peter. He would have been in concussion protocol and missed two games.

[Alan Hahn]

And by the way, we already know you can watch Jackson Dart play for two quarters and you know who he is. We know what his heart is. We know that the team follows him. We, we all. You know it. The point is not about making business decisions because you're trying to get a bonus, but about Trying to be able to have a competitive football season. And by the way, we're not killing him or insulting him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why it's a ridiculous book, because he was creating something about it having anything to do with his money or his contract. It has everything to do with his availability. Because the next head coach wants to know, hey, we got a great quarterback here. Is he going to play 17 games or is this great quarterback and the way he plays going to cost him five games a year and cost me a chance to go to the playoffs and eventually cost me my job? That is the conversation.

[Don Hahn]

Here's all I would say to the caller. You are praising him correctly for his enthusiasm and his physicality and willingness to play hard, even in a season that doesn't mean anything in the standings. But you will also criticize him for not being available because he got hurt and now missed half the season and cost your team a chance to make the playoffs or anything else. You'll be the one saying, oh, this guy's always hurt. Can't rely on him. Best abilities, availability. So you can't have it both ways. Scatterboo is the same thing. But he knew Scatterboo was going to be short term because he just. It's reckless. That's what it is. It's just reckless. And you're just trying to get him to understand it. He's got to figure it out as the quarterback and understand that it's not high school and it's not college. Your value now is a business.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Don Hahn]

And you are, too, and you're not good for business if you're not on the field.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you have to realize, as cruel as this is going to sound, they'll encourage Scatterboo to play that way. You know why? He's expendable.

[Don Hahn]

He's replaceable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's a running back.

[Don Hahn]

I hate it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But we're talking about a quarterback that you traded back into the first round to get, that you were going to pay at a different scale later on in his career.

These are. These are football that has nothing to do with money. I love the way that he plays. But you know what? I love the way Patrick Mahomes plays, too. Right. He's got the same abilities, but he's figured out a way. I'm gonna get out. Not only am I gonna get out of bounds to keep myself safe, I'm gonna draw a flag.

He's mastered it. Let's. Let's.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's grab a couple. A couple more people before ENN Tim In Jersey City. What's up, Tim?

[Caller]

Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen. How are you? First of all, thanks for taking my call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll be very quick.

[Caller]

Peter, congratulations on your bundle of joy with the Mrs. In your new house.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you, buddy.

[Caller]

Don, why didn't you get this guy? You've been covering the jets for 16 years. You guys both remember. How did Tom Brady get his start with New England? Remember, they were playing the Jets. Drew Bledsoe rolled out with the exact play Dart did, and Mo Lewis cleared him out. God bless him. He's okay now. But he had turned hemorrhaging and that ended his career.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Of course, it didn't end his career.

Patriots.

[Alan Hahn]

Effectively, it did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He ended up playing like the next decade and a half as a backup.

[Don Hahn]

Played well.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, true. Well, let's not say well, but he played football. Was playing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The point is. And that wasn't even reckless, but, yeah, finding a way to be able to keep these guys healthy is paramount. And listen, I know Eli had his limitations, but the one thing nobody could ever take away from played every damn week.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that was huge.

[Alan Hahn]

It's part of the reason he will eventually go to the hall of Fame.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Is because he was there. If he only played, if he was in and out, it never happens for him. Right now, Jackson Dart is more physically talented than Eli Manning. He has a chance physically to be a better quarterback, but he has to be available. Let's go to Mike in la. I think Donald like this one. Hey, Mike.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, I got a quick point. I'm not saying the Giants should do this because the kid's not good enough, but I think they should look into at least getting, like, a quarterback like Mariota or somebody else that can step.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In if this kid's gonna play like this.

[Alan Hahn]

But isn't Winston.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, Winston's that maybe even better.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just.

[Caller]

It's just about him getting hurt.

[Don Hahn]

I love the way he plays, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, the league's.

[Lewis Riddick]

The league.

[Caller]

And even if he changes a little.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bit, guys get hurt. Agree with you. I just think that they have that. And Jameis Winston. How is Jameis Winston any better or worse than Mariota? They were both high draft picks. They're both probably around the same age.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

What he asked me was, should they draft a quarterback? That's what he asked me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, and I think he realized that.

[Alan Hahn]

He would have screamed off, couldn't do it. He didn't want it. He didn't want the dog.

[Don Hahn]

I think I scared him off that point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When I put him on hold. Is that what it said on the call?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's why I picked it up. I thought. I thought we might lose Don.

[Don Hahn]

He made a business decision.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that they ate the same cake the vicar ate that the Aussie gave a lot of hash. Man.

[Don Hahn]

I like fireworks.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, sure. Well speaking of liking fireworks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Am I.

[Alan Hahn]

Am I losing you both at 6:30.

[Don Hahn]

I have to get over to the garden and start Pre taping. Pre 6:30. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And what about you, Don?

[Peter Rosenberg]

My. My typical 615 vehicle. So you're gonna.

[Alan Hahn]

You're gonna ghost us mid size?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do you. Let's.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's talk about this for a second.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How would you like it to be handled? Because we had a whole regime that we were. You. You take vacation and don't say that I'm not here. True.

[Alan Hahn]

And we all just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now it's like you. I will say. I will say goodbye. How about.

[Don Hahn]

When did that happen?

Saying goodbye would be great, just not the way we turn off the camera and just split like you're mad at everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Anthony does not remember a time where. Oh. Oh no.

[Don Hahn]

He was being sarcastic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't call attention to.

[Alan Hahn]

No, he was being sarcastic. I saw his face.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cool man.

[Alan Hahn]

That's.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for playing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, cool man.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to my Don, Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to know how the.

[Don Hahn]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don, Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8:80, ESPN the ESP ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

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