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No, no kid stuff, no nothing. So be out there and come hang out with us and, and be part of it and then don't be back with us next week. We got your calls. 800 now. 193776. We got a lot of different stories certainly to get to here. I want to go back to something we talked about on the football front on Monday. And I'm telling you, there is this increased, not optimism. What's the word? It's more like intrigue in the Giants this year that after two preseason games and seeing some of the moves that they made and not just Jackson Dart. It's just overall, there is a different vibe around the Giants this year. Last year there's a lot of despair, dismay. There was a lot of sense of almost apathy that they were in that awkward phase of a rebuild where you tear down what the previous guy did and they moved on for Saquon Barkley, which is like ripping the heart out of a fan and then watching him go to the Eagles and win even harder. But Joe Shane's had a good offseason, had a good couple of offseason, a good draft. And there's some intrigue in the Giants that I want to discuss with you and not just for me and what I said about how they feel about this team and what I think this team could be this year, but also what some people around the, around media and former players are saying about it as well. But the Big story going into tonight's game is the Yankees and Mets both win last night. The Yankees just mashed nine home runs and they destroy Tampa at Steinbrenner Field. They play them again tonight, 7:30. And that really, to me, the home runs and all that stuff, that wasn't the big part of the story. It was fun to watch. They are doing what they're supposed to do, beat up bad pitching, win games, get momentum into this Red Sox series coming up on Thursday. But it was what happened before the game that caught everybody's attention because Aaron Boone spoke on several occasions about yesterday, about an uncertainty about Aaron Judge playing in the field and whether or not when he'll be back in the field because he's dealing with, of course, the flexor strain in his throwing arm. And also when he is back in the field, Boone kind of suggested, you know, he's probably not going to be at his best. He's not going to be at 100, maybe not for the rest of the season. We won't see the guy that we know when he's at full strength. And I thought that was very reasonable. I don't think anybody's denied. I mean, flexor strain is nothing to mess with. Nobody in October is going to, hey, remember that flexor strain you had in August? No, that's not something that just goes away while you play. That's a rest type of recovery, which he's not going to get. And I thought maybe they would keep him as a DH until the end. And then you get to October and you expect the captain is going to say, all right, I'm back. I'm in the lineup. I want to play and I want to get out in the field because we're a better team. When Stanton's the DH and I'm in the. I'm in the lineup as well. And that was proven last night, by the way. So that's all fine. I didn't think there was any controversy there at all other than the fact that teams will know. And I think I said this yesterday, Peter, teams will know when judges in the field to test his arm because, well, Boone kind of said it and we all could believe it. He's got a flexor strain. He probably can't throw at his best, so let's test him. The issue is that when Judge was asked about what Boone said, he took. He took exception to it and he called out his manager saying, he hasn't seen me throw, he doesn't know. And then it turned into what didn't need to be a little bit of a controversy between the two most important probably people in the organization, the manager and the superstar, the face of the sport and that I felt like that didn't need to happen, but it did. I understand Judge coming from his perspective of let's not tell people I'm not 100% because I don't want them thinking, okay, I can stretch this single into a double or let me tag up from second because I don't think he can reach third. So I think I can get to third, I think I can tag up on him. Those are things that, you know in the postseason are one little moment a guy gets from second base to third base. Now all of a sudden there's a run that scored that didn't have to be scored because they knew to run on my arm. So I'm looking at that and I'm thinking Judge was protecting himself like you'd expect. Judge is also saying, I'm going to be there. I'm going to be fine. Because that's what stars do. No, I'm good. Whenever you ask great players about an injury, majority of them tell you I'm fine. They never will reveal how hurt they are until the season's over. But I didn't like that. It was an unnecessary moment of controversy as the Yankees plane was finally seeming to balance out and get out of turbulence by winning some games here. So we'll see how it plays out. But that's my perspective on that back and forth with Boone and with Judge.
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By the way. And the thing I don't like about it is it's just unusual for them. In addition to it being a bad look and all of those things, it also is kind of a symptom that you may not love to see from a team that has not been altogether right in spite of the fact that they hit nine home runs again last night, which is pretty unbelievable right now.
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Well, let me get into. So before we get back to Colts, we have a ton of them. I do want to go back to also something else Peter that we did Monday. As I said, the Giant conversation that is going on within the league. Within league, NFL media types, former players. This is not just a Allen's observation on the Giants. I've been telling everybody that they love Jackson Dart ever since the pre draft. I've told everybody the Giants love this kid and if they couldn't get Ward, which they couldn't dart, they really wanted to get because he checked a lot of boxes for him as well, they're not going to rush him and they shouldn't. It's a smart thing. That's why they have Russell Wilson. He, he should get them through the toughest part of the schedule, which is the beginning. But the story is always going to be about the quarterback. But I think the thing that has everybody most intrigued about this Giant team this season is a return to a defense that is going to smash you in the face. Their defense is going to be tough. And as I said Monday, there's a sense I have that when you play the Giants this season, you might beat them, but you're going to feel it. And we haven't said that about the Giants in a while. And listen to Adam Schefter on his podcast, the Shefty Pot that he also is hearing and buying into the idea that the Giants are going to be better than maybe a lot of people think.
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New York has been a wasteland for football for quite some time, and I believe that New York is in for a little bit of a treat this fall. I believe that the jets and Giants both are going to be better than people think. The Giants really have have me intrigued here because I think Washington's going to have a tough time having the same type of season it did. Philadelphia is coming up for Super Bowl Championship. We've seen some of the drama and questions in Dallas. The Giants are really the only team that doesn't really have any sort of controversy. I am a little concerned about Malik Neighbors not practicing in almost a couple of weeks. He's got lingering issues, but he's such a gamer and he's always there when the games are played. And I just think that Russell Wilson is going to play a little bit better. Jackson Darters look great. The defense should be really strong. And I just think the Giants are going to be one of those, one of those surprised teams this year. Now, what does a surprise team mean? Does it mean they're going to the playoffs? I don't know if I'm going to go that far, but I think the Giants are going to win more games than people think.
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To me, that's, that's, that's enough optimism. If you're a Giants fan, at least it now gives you a reason to watch and have a little bit of like, oh, let's, let's see where this goes. Like this almost feels like the ground floor. You know what I mean? Like, this is sort of, you're still on the Runway, but you want to see now can you gain momentum to get this thing up in the air to. Towards you Know, being a, A, A. An elite team in the next year or two. Now, if you don't want to listen to Chef, you don't want to listen to me or anybody else. How about Jason McCordy? This is on the McAfee Show.
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Jay McAfee.
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Yeah. Him talking about the Giants.
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The Giants are a team that got a lot better.
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Here we go.
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I ain't saying they're going to be a playoff team, but they got a lot better on football. D is in my town, so I see Dave's all the time. People are extremely excited because when you turn the TV on and you're watching a Giants game, you get excited about what you see in Jackson Dart. When you see Russell Wilson throwing a moon ball down the field 80 yards, you get excited about that. When you log on to social media and you see Jameis Winston talking about guys going to chapel and believe in and hitting the crossbar on the throw at the end of practice to get them out of meetings, you get excited about that. There's just so much positivity right now that surrounds the New York Giants a year after they have plains flying over. Was saying, this is a dumpster fire on game day over top of the stadium. It's a completely new hope right now with this New York Giants football team.
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I mean, it's amazing, Peter. The. This is the stage of. You went from dumpster fire to. I don't know if they're gonna make the playoffs, but they're gonna be a good team. As a fan, sometimes it's like you just want to get out of dumpster fire. You're. You rarely go from dumpster fire to contender. You just never make that leap. If you're a Giants fan, don't you think, like, this is at least the step you're looking for, where people are speaking positively about your team going into the season, but yet the expectations aren't ridiculous and there's no promises. It's almost like the easiest way to fan right now is to just sit back and say, well, let's see if. Let's see how this goes.
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I.
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It's a good spot. If you're a Giants fan. There's no question about it now. The shefty cut you played. Yeah, we love shefty, but I'm sorry. He was just sort of making things up.
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The.
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I'm. I understand why it has become popular to say Washington's taking a step back.
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Oh, you hate. I knew. See, I knew the only thing.
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No, not the only thing. It was. That was one Piece of multiple. He also said there the Giants are the only team with no controversy. I don't agree with that either.
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Where's the controversy?
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No, where's the controversy in Washington? They haven't signed the deal with Terry McLaurin. It's not really controversy. These things. These things happen.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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That's not a team in flux.
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No, no.
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I honestly, I don't view it that way.
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What's Brian Robinson's future again? That's.
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That's called making a change at running back.
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Oh.
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Did you see the first possession of the game?
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The.
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The ball they handed to Debo Samuel on first down?
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Yeah.
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My guess is there's a lot of handing the ball to Debo is what I think they're thinking. But listen, regardless of that, what I'm saying is I do think people get hot on a narrative, okay? And the narrative that has recently taken shape here, and I don't hate it. I want to be clear. I do not think the Giants are going to be a stinking pile of.
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Trash, which they were last year.
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Which they were. They were a complete dumpster fire. I think that the defense will be very good. Do I think it's getting a little bit potentially overrated? Potentially there.
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I mean, this is.
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Considering you haven't seen it yet, you saw a really good defense. But, like, we are taking the next step now of, like, a lot of things are happening. The Eagles just won the Super Bowl. The commanders went to the championship game. The Cowboys were. Whatever the hell the Cowboys were. But they're getting their quarterback this year. And now we're just like, I don't like the way anything's going for anyone. The team you gotta watch out for is the Giants. I think it's become a hot narrative. I think they'll be better than they were. I think Giants fans are a pretty realistic fan base, so they'll go into it with the proper expectation. I just don't know if Schefter said anything based on facts. I didn't hear any facts.
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Well, I think I. Look, Adam Schefter, his facts are based on when he talks to people, the feedback he gets. Right. His is informed speculation. Whenever you hear him talk and he's not referencing a source or anyone in particular when he gives opinion, it's his informed speculation. I can tell you that he's not just speaking off. Like, he. He rarely will just speak off the cuff about things unless it has.
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No, he's. He's. It's. He's here.
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So the vibe around the Sport is, you know, all right, that's. No, no, you're right. You're right. Because we had this recently with the Jets. There was this whole sense of that Jet roster, they could win the Jet and. And then, of course, Rogers gets hurt, and then the whole thing's a house of cards. So you're right. Vibe doesn't equal fact. But as I said, when you are where you were and I love the. McCourty said, he's right. J. Mac said they were flying planes over the stadium.
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That's true.
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With, with, with Flag saying sell the team and how they were demanding better. Like, you go from that. That's as bad as it gets. Bags over your heads, fans just have had it.
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But there's a.
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You go from that to the rest of the league recognizing, you know what, they're onto something there. And I don't know if it's good enough to make the playoffs. But the good news is that's an important franchise in this sport and they're heading in the right direction.
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You already went too far.
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How is that heading in the right direction? Is it wrong?
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The sentence before that. I don't know if they're good enough to playoffs. No, no. I know for a fact they're not making the playoffs. Anthony is a huge Giants fan. There's not even a part of him that thinks that's a possibility. So let's, let's go back to can they be above average? Can they exceed expectations?
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You're being captain literal man because, you know, matter, Alan.
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Words matter.
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Words do matter. You know that when you say, I don't know if they're going to make the playoffs, that's, that's the soft way of saying they're not making the playoffs. But you, when you say that as an absolute, and then, you know, there's injuries to eight teams and suddenly the Giants make the playoffs with eight wins, which you know can happen, but, like something ridiculous can happen. That's. That's why you cover yourself by saying, I don't know if they're going to make the playoffs. But, yeah, we all know, but real quick that they're very, very unlikely to be a playoff team. But it doesn't mean that by the end of this season, as a Giants fan, if you could just go, you know what? We're onto something here. And, and that's all you're asking for right now after what you saw last year, Saquon Barkley winning a Super bowl in Philadelphia. I mean, think about it. That's one of the biggest Gut punches any fan base has ever taken.
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Let me. I want to ask Anthony Pusick a question. Anthony, are you available?
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I'm over here.
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Well, you're just telling me to zip it right now, aren't you?
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No, no, not that. But he's a. He's a Giants.
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No, I know.
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I want that. Hi. Hey. How you doing, pal?
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I'm good.
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Can you tell me the either one or two additions to this Giants team that you're most excited to see?
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Look, I actually do, like. First of all, Abdul Carter obviously just makes the D line better, which dream about which is obviously huge. And I'm not saying Jackson Dart is an addition yet. Obviously, that is not. Honestly, Cam Scatterboo. And I know that your buddy mentioned him.
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He loves Cam Scatterboo.
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Look, this. The 07 and 2011 Giants teams, everybody likes to make fun of Eli Manning and say he wasn't that great. Well, what did they have? They had really good running games and a really good defense and a good offensive line. I'm not going to say this offensive line is good yet, but it should be better by a lot. And this defensive line, we all think could be very good. Top 10 in the league. Some people say top five, but I'm not going to get crazy yet. If you can win football games in this league with a good defense, a good running game and a competent quarterback, because we know Russell Wilson is competent, we don't think he's going to be amazing yet. They signed Javon Holland to help out the safety group. I don't. Look, you guys know how negative I am, and I know that the schedule stinks. So if this team wins six games, I wouldn't be surprised. But if they're in every game, if they're not getting embarrassed, to me, that's a win.
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Well, but, Anthony, that's beautifully done. I think you have a career in sports. You're very, very good at what you do.
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Oh, thanks. Now, what you were looking for, though.
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No, no, no, I have no problem. I wasn't asking it rhetorically. I meant sincere. Like, what are the pieces you're most excited about? Obviously, Abdul Carter's number one for everybody, but, like, the main thing that we talk about, changing football teams in this league because the Giants have had some impressive people up front already. Fine. Maybe Abdul Carter's on a different level. We're to see he's even beyond Dexter Lawrence. Sure. That's out there, right? And Thibodeau has been hit or miss it, depending which version you get. Although his Rookie year to me, I thought he was going to actually absolutely wreck shop for a decade. So we'll see. But I guess the reason I'm like, everybody slow down. We have a guy who Allen has waxed poetic about how little in the tank he think Russell, he thinks Russell Wilson has. That is your starting quarterback. After that, as much as he's looked nice in preseason games and he's been great at the podium, you are essentially taking what you expect to be a project quarterback who you got at 25 to then go in there. How many teams are we seeing with just a solid running game and a defense and a, and a project quarterback making huge moves in a season? I just think that's a, that's a little loftier than people are giving it credit for. This team could be decent and they could exceed expectation. They could also improve and have a horrifying record.
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Yes, it's very true.
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And I expect.
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Let me just jump in here. Exceeding expectation. The expectation is they were going to be one of the bottom third teams in the league. Exceeding expectation means you'll be one of the best bottom third teams or a middle of the pack team. That's not saying a lot, but something like you can't take the giant leap from dumpster fire to elite. The only leap you can make is dumpster fire to respectable. That's your first step.
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And then put out the fire in the dumpster.
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There you go. Just climb out of the dumpster, let it burn.
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Well, no, first you. First you put out the fire, then you climb out. Or do you climb out first, then put it out?
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I think you climb out and then let it burn out. It's metal. It'll be fine. But, but, but no, that's. You know what I mean? Like you're, you're almost taking it. Like I'm saying the Giants are going to be like a. Not like, I don't see that, but where they were. When you consider like again, I, I can't, I can't emphasize enough. Saquon Barkley being let walk to the Eagles as a Giants fan like that, I can't even. What does that look like? Tom Seaver leaving the Mets? Like, it's things like that where you just, you, you can't believe he's in another jersey and it's in that jersey.
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Well, and then.
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You know what I mean?
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And then they won a Super Bowl.
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Like that's the kind of stuff that would be very difficult. And again, he left. But you could have signed him, but he left because you didn't want to sign him. Like that was worse. It's. It. You can't say he left and he rejected the offer. He left because you wouldn't give him an offer. So that's the point. It, as a Giants fan, that's a, that was a bad place to be last year. And then watching him win. So to go from that to a team that, okay, I have something new to care about, which is Jackson Dart. And you're right, he's a project. But everybody feels pretty good about what he could be. And that's why you don't rush him. Because it is a project, it still at least gives you hope that you had almost nothing left of last year.
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Let's. He's been holding long enough. Let's go to good old Danny on Long Island. What's up, Danny?
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Before I get to the quarterback table, let me just chime in on this. The Giants and the Steelers both have the same issue. If everything goes right, they're still the best, third best team in their division. And the reason the Steelers made the playoffs last year with an average quarterback, a running game and a good defense is because one of the franchise quarterbacks in their division was injured and missed most of the season in Joe Burrow. So yes, if everything goes right for the Giants, which unfortunately means bad things for other teams, they could sneak into the playoffs. But if everything goes according to chalk, the biggest problem for the Giants is that they have the fourth best quarterback in the division, maybe the third on his best day. But if you see Jackson Dart, that means the season hasn't gone well. If, God forbid, it goes well for the Giants. And I mean that because I don't think long term, if he plays well next year, you have a rookie quarterback again. So what? Okay, so we're good. Great. We went nine, seven. And now we're going to turn it over to dart next year, which means we have a rookie quarterback who we really don't know much about. So the best thing for the Giants is an average season by Wilson. Halfway through, they realize they're not making the playoffs and they say, we got to get this kid in. And then we find out if the kid can play now, which I think.
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We'Re going to see. I think by mid season, by the, by the by, there'll be that reason to make the move just like they did with Kurt Warner and Eli Manning.
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Well, you can't make the move if you're in playoff contention because you're in a locker room with 45 guys that are saying, we don't want this.
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Remember? Well, they have done it before.
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Alan Vanik, his favorite line when Charlie Batch got hurt in playoffs is before Roethlisberg came in. The last thing I need to do is babysit a snot nose rookie. Well, it worked out pretty good. But that's basically the veterans who want to win now. They don't really, you know, they're not into rookies. As far as the. I love the quarterback discussion takes my mind off the pennant race and my Mets are floundering in. But the way I do my quarterback tables is that the statistics are so overblown now because of the offensive nature of the league that the only thing that really matters is winning. So I have a dais. We're not even at a table. We are at the dais. In the middle of the table is Mahomes sitting in a, you know, King's chair because he has three and also at the dais because they've won. And that really is all that we really want. You have Mahomes, you have Hearst, you have Rodgers. I know it's been a while, but he played very well last year. And you have Stafford because Stafford not only won a Super bowl, but he came the closest to being Hearst last year on a snowy day in Philadelphia where if they played that game anywhere but in the snow, they're winning that game. And he would have been at his second super bowl to put him down. I know he might be injured this year, but we don't know. So the deus goes to guys who have won a Super bowl with very few exceptions. I'm not getting into Flacco because it's an odd situation. But that's if you have won, you sit with the ring on your hand, showing it to everybody else. Look what I got.
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But Danny, but those guys. My issue with that is I hear what you're saying. It's a different. We can all have a different measure. But the guys that you're mentioning at this moment in time don't give your chance. The best team, your team the best chance to win.
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Maybe with Rogers you could say that. But Stafford, like I said, was one pass away.
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Stafford's giving you a better chance than Josh Allen to win a game.
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Danny. Danny.
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Stafford, how many people may ask you question.
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We got to be right now. No, we got to be right now. The problem with the. Here's the thing with the tears though. You got to keep in mind, Danny, the tears are about right now. Not what you did before. It's right now. And Stafford's back might not hold up this that's correct.
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But I was thinking about this list when I heard Don and him do this a couple of weeks ago. We really didn't have that. But and then my second table is guys who have been to a Super bowl or have long periods of sustained excellence so far, Mr. Burrow, Mr. Goff, Lamar Allen, they have either been to a Super bowl and lost or they have put up big numbers in wins for the last several years. Jayden Daniels may be a Hall of Famer, but he can't sit at the same table yet as a guy who's been to the Super Bowl. And Goff, you look at Goff and Stafford, how many wide receivers have they turned into household names and stars? And how many wide receivers did Eli Manning turn into a household name and a star? Quarterbacks are what make the wide receivers. If you're if your quarterback goes down, you don't even hear the wide receivers name for the rest of the season. You drop them off your fantasy team, these wide receivers. You look at Stafford, you look at Goff. There's a reason why everybody's picking everybody in Detroit to be on their fantasy team. He makes people stars.
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We're going to see Danny because to the point that Alan made earlier. How much of that is Ben Johnson like? I enjoyed the passion of Danny's call. I disagree fundamentally about I thought he was being sarcastic about Eli Manning making stars. Most of the star receivers that were in New York came in as stars and the other ones were honestly workman like wide receivers who got the job done. You're Hakeem Nixes, but no one's putting in the hall of Fame. So a lot of interesting points there. But I disagreed with most of them, which is one of the reasons I love Danny as a caller. 109-19-3776 phone lines jammed. We'll keep talking about this next we're off at 6. And guys, on Tuesday, August 26th, it's FanDuel Futures Day, a new holiday for football fans. It's 24 hours of deals on all your football season predictions, so take a flyer in the MVP race. Maybe you want Mahomes or Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, crown your champion in August. Do the Lions finally do it? They couldn't last year against Mikamis or Parlay or division winner dark horses. Maybe the Colts and Danny Dimes under center. Who knows, Maybe. Mark your calendars. This is your day for your hunches, your hot takes, your calls and your odds. Visit the FanDuel app today and Start planning your future bets now because Futures Day is one day and one day only. FanDuel play your game 21 and over and visit the President New York for help with the gambling problem. Call 877-OpenY or text openy 467-369 this is an ad by BetterHelp. These days it feels like there's a vice for everything. Cold plunges, gratitude, journals, screen detoxes. But how do you know what actually works for you? With the Internet and information overload about mental health and wellness, it can be a struggle to know what's true and what actions to take. These days, using trusted resources and talking to live therapists can get you personalized recommendations and help to help you break through the noise. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 5 million people globally. And it works with an App store rating of 4.9 out of 5 based on over 1.7 million client reviews. As the largest online therapy provider in the world, BetterHelp can provide access to mental health professionals with a diverse variety of expertise. Talk it out with BetterHelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com timeout. That's betterhelp.com timeout.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, now I see. Talk about guilty pleasures. Jake knows me well.
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What is this again?
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This is Heart Alone, but it's not the song. It's Ann Wilson.
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What about her?
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It's like everybody I saw on social media there was like, who was your first crush? Celebrity crush. Ann Wilson was like my third celebrity crush. Loved her.
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It's unfortunate that if someone had a gun to my head and said, I need you to say that. Tell me the lead singer of Heart, you would.
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No, she's not. Nancy Wilson is the lead singer.
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Oh, she's what?
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It's Ann Wilson.
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If you had said any of them, you could. I could have said it. You could have said it was Jackie Wilson.
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I don't expect you to understand everything that I have to say.
B
I was. I like, I do like heart songs. They're just like not a part of my lexicon.
A
No, of course they wouldn't be.
B
And this is when I hear them though. You know what?
A
Yeah.
B
Kind of like art.
A
They have. They have moments, but this was more about like, this is the MTV era, where the music was on but videos Were videos and you got to see, like, Stevie Nicks. And you're like, yo. And then you saw, like, Chaka Khan early Chaka Khan. And I was like, yo. Like, you know, like, honestly, like, that's later on.
B
You saw Vanessa Williams. You're like, you.
A
Yeah. Hell, yeah. That album, by the way, her. Her big album. That's. That's an anniversary, I think today, right? Or yesterday.
B
I made that up.
A
I didn't know you. I think there was something I saw, you know, how.
B
You know. By the way, Despacito is a huge, like, why it works is a huge pop hit.
A
Why?
B
Because I have. We had this conversation the other day, and we brought up Despacito. I then later that day was Changing Maya, who is. Who is seven months and almost a week.
A
God bless.
B
And. And I.
A
You're humming it.
B
I started. I started seeing it, like, hyper. Like, while I'm changing the diaper, I'm going, despacito. But go. And she just starts smiling and bopping and kicking her legs like, all right, well, this is. They knew it worked. If a seven month old. Here's Despacito. And start smiling, you know, it's a win.
A
So I have to call out. Jake. Jake, did you post our list today? No, not yet. You didn't post it? I didn't retweet it, no. Oh, oh. Jake Montgomery did this. Oh, yeah.
B
What he do?
A
All right, so I want everybody listening to understand that I'm now like, this is why I'm gonna delete Twitter. So our ESP New York account has our list. Top five songs of the summer since 2000. And then it says, alan, Hans, listen. Now, understand this is not my list, but people who weren't listening are going to assume that These are my five favorite songs of the summer since 2000, which is really painful.
B
So now you're getting roasted.
A
I don't know. I don't want to know. But when I saw it, I was like, oh, God. And I said, I thought it was Anthony.
B
Oh, no. He did it. Yeah. Don Hanna, Rosenberg. Alan. Top five songs of the summer since 2000.
A
Yeah. No, no, this is. According to Billboard. You have to have. That's a very important thing to say.
B
But why didn't he?
A
He didn't.
B
Why didn't he listen? You gotta do the work. But, Jake.
A
So now I'm gonna get roasted. People are like, I'm gonna see people like, dude, really tipsy. That's your song.
B
You got to get in the comments here. Right, right, right.
A
Oh, I did already. I did beat You. I had to jump in there and say on Twitter. Yes.
B
Well, on Instagram it's happening too.
A
Yikes. Can you, can you do this for me?
B
Yeah, I'll jump in for you.
A
Would you jump in for me? Based on Billboard statistics for songs that help.
B
Based on Allen based.
A
Not to pile on the Jake. Uh huh. No. Today's National Radio Day.
B
Today is National Radio Day. No post.
A
Not a sniff.
B
Not a sniff. Huh?
A
Yikes.
B
Today's National Radio Day. Is that a thing? By the way? When did this happen?
A
Every day's a thing.
B
Yeah, when did that.
A
Oh, we had National Intern Day and they were on the show. Oh God, that was great.
B
Let me. I ripped that to shreds.
A
I know you did.
B
You heard about that, right?
A
Yeah, you're a hater.
B
But by the way, you know, I was proven completely right, right?
A
How? It was July radio.
B
Well, no, no, not that, that, that part's fair. You could do it by the way, in July radio. Do whatever you want. But because I was ripping the kids for not deserving this and saying, oh, and you know, I was doing the whole in my day and old man yelling at the moon situation. But then on the interns last day, this was the day after I had sort of gone on my rant about interns. They were having their last day and I saw them all sitting out in the, in the main room, right? You know, the very festive area where everyone hangs out and listens to our show intently. And I went out there and I said, hey guys, you know, they messed around with me. Oh, you know, I was goofing around, blah, blah, blah. How was your summer? Okay, how's the back of your belly? Whatever. And they said, alright, we're actually done. We're just waiting to meet, to meet with our boss and say goodbye, right? And I said, well. Oh cool. I said, well listen, hang on for an extra 10, 20 minutes. I have some surprise birthday cake coming here because I missed Anthony's birthday yesterday and I know Anthony's been great to all of you guys. So hang out. We're gonna do a little happy birthday for, for Anthony and it gets a little send off for you guys. I was trying to mend the fence and make Anthony's little birthday thing a little bit more celebratory for our guy who we know doesn't believe he even deserves someone to say happy birthday, right? So between then and the next commercial break, it was like, you know, let's say 3:20 to 340, you know, 322 to 345. By the time 345 gets here, the cupcakes and banana pudding, we should not forget from Magnolia, arrive for Anthony. Connor, the most in touch of the interns, went down to get it. He comes back up with the cupcakes and the pudding, and when he comes in the room so we can surprise Anthony and Singh, I go, where are the rest of the interns? They all left. Every single one of them looked me in the face, said, sounds great. Oh, yeah, love Anthony. He's awesome. Oh, cool.
A
Yeah.
B
Last day, their last day at the job.
A
Ghosted.
B
And I said, you want to show some love to the guy who, whenever intern stuff comes up, was so supportive, they rolled out. Rolled out.
A
Imagine.
B
But imagine if it were you.
A
I don't love that.
B
And you got your first. You got your internship at the. At the Daily News or wherever you were. The Long island baby, whatever the first thing was for you. Imagine one of the. One of the main writers says, hey, stick around real quick. We're gonna celebrate our producer. Give you a cupcake. Anyway, you know what? I'm good. I'm all set.
A
Yeah, I'm out. I'm good. I'm out. Yeah, I don't love that.
B
But Connor, there are a couple of them I liked.
A
Yeah, what was the other one?
B
I liked Anthony.
F
Gabby. She wrote an email to you?
B
Yes, Connor and Gabby. They were quality. The rest I'm not.
A
So you're out on them?
B
I'm out.
A
Okay.
B
How do you not say for Anthony.
A
If it was for me? I get it. Look, first of all, as you know, I was disconnected during this time. I was gone, gone. And so I didn't know any of this.
E
Yeah.
A
So if I were here, it wouldn't have happened.
B
All right, let's get. Let's.
A
Calls, Baby calls.
B
We got so many.
A
All right, let's roll through. Let's see how fast we can go through them. I'm going to go through them with myself, so. I got it.
B
Line one, I guess you know it.
A
David's in. Elizabeth. David.
E
What's going on? Hollywood Hun. Happy that you're back. Rosenberg radio. What up, baby?
B
What up, man?
E
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I'm definitely gonna try to tune into that supreme clientele too. Because, you know, not for nothing, when artists give it a while, then they come back, it's not so good. Quick analogy, Benzino. Not good, yo. Of course, Ghost faces and Benzino. But you get where I'm coming from.
B
We'll see ghost faces. Ghost face. Has not been. I don't even like that you said the word Ghostface near the word Benzino.
E
I know, right? It shouldn't have went in the same sentence. I know. Big, big boy. Big. No, no. On my.
A
All right, so what do you got?
E
Yeah. So as far as jets, the trade. I don't know like how good of a trade it is.
A
Juan Briggs, is that you talking about? He's a kid. He's what? He is six. A six rounder from the, from the Browns, the big dude. It gives you some depth on the D line. Like, you know, I wouldn't get too crazy. They gave up what they give up a six round, seventh round pick. Hey, come on.
E
Yeah, well, I. I just. I just hope that, you know, like, just doing this trade can, like, pan out or, like you said, a good deputy. Yeah. And like I told Barton Carlin earlier, I want to see how the team really plays once week one comes around, because then we'll really be able.
A
Yeah. They were very vanilla, right? They've been. Yeah, David, it's a good color. You got it, man. Yeah, the jets have been very vanilla in the preseason, so it's hard to really get a sense. I think what they're trying to do is get depth so they can rotate guys in. Remember, Jermaine Johnson just got back. You know, he can't play a ton of snaps yet. Right. They're. They got to work him back in. So the have depth is going to be important. Brendan's upstate New York. Brendan.
B
Brendan, come on.
A
How you doing? How you doing?
E
First time caller. Thanks for having me.
A
Oh, great to have you.
E
I wanted to comment earlier because I was driving home, catching up on the first hour of the show. I think that Peter's right that Michael wasn't necessarily calling you out, Alan, because I think he would have, you know, giving you a soft love tap. Okay, start it, but.
B
Right.
E
I think I do believe he's wrong about stringing together three to four hits as opposed to a home run, because it's a lot easier to get a base hit, no matter what, then crush a home run. Like, I don't know if you see it this way, but you don't necessarily have to get base hits off of mistakes.
A
I do see it that way. I see it exactly how you're saying it. I think the, the notion that you can say, you know, stringing together hits. Well, it's not just stringing together hits. I believe we had a caller earlier that said that the Yankees were always notoriously, will work the count to A point where they would get. Try to get on base via the walk. Just putting pressure on. Especially if you're gonna. If you have guys who can run, and we've seen now with the fact that you can only throw twice when there's a runner on base. So if you have. You can distract pitching and the catchers with the one knee down thing you are. I would run way more now because of that. And that puts pressure on pitchers who now get distracted. And all those things do matter. So I'm with you. The home run is a lot harder to do than it is to get a base knock and a. And maybe get a, you know, draw a walk, get some movement, sacrifice fly, like, put some pressure on the pitcher instead of this. The constant, you know, the constant reliance on home run. So. Brendan, I appreciate that. I wonder if I don't think K was calling me again. I just. I'm juicing that up a little bit. But when he was talking, I was like, oh, damn. I mean, I tweeted this this morning. Is he talking to me? Talking to me? Matt in Manhattan. I think he wants to talk to me. What's up, Matt?
E
Hey. What's that? I couldn't grieve more with Peter on this. He had a pumped. I mean, you got a jam on the brakes here, Alan, with the Giant. I mean, he talked about the low point was Saquon, right? Trading him.
A
Remember? They didn't trade him. He walked.
E
Right. All the same guys who made that decision is still here, right? They're still here.
A
Yeah.
E
The same guys, right? The same guys who you said they wanted Cam Ward. No, they didn't. They had them.
A
Oh, no, no, no, no. They did want Cam Ward.
E
No, no. They had the number one pick. They had it. So they had them. They didn't want them. They let it go.
A
What do you mean?
E
They chose to win. They chose to win. A meaningless.
A
Okay, okay, Right, Okay. I got it.
E
Right. Same regime, still here. Are you telling me in one off season, they've all. All of a sudden gotten better now, the owner knows what he's doing, the GM knows what he's doing. The coach knows what he's doing. Everything.
A
You're not buying it.
B
You're not buying.
A
All right, Matt, look, I'm not mine. I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to get. It's fine. I'm not trying to convince you. I'm. I'm also basing it not just on what I feel, but what a saying about what they're seeing, what they're observing with the Giants. Is that it? There is something here. And you can't argue that having those three guys plus Dexter Lawrence getting after a quarterback, that's they're opening eyes. That's all I'm saying. I, I, I'm not saying things have turned completely, but it's way better than it was a year ago. They still have to prove it. Which is why Matt's right.
F
We're still on the Giant should have kept sake one thing. How long are we going to do that for?
A
Out of curious. Well, I mean that, that event, you know, that was right.
B
But he didn't.
A
Matt can't let go of it because the same people are here. He wants everyone fired. And I understand that when you go go as as when you reach the depth the Giants reached last year, emotionally, physically and and organizationally, I understand the need to clean house and the feeling that you have deep down inside you that that has to happen. I can't tell you you're wrong to feel that way.
B
And also it may not be Anthony that he thinks they absolutely had to keep Saquon as much as how bad it ended up feeling, how it played out.
A
Yeah, it was poor.
B
Yeah. Let's take a break and we'll close out with your guys. Calls on the Giants on Song of Summer on the Yankees. We'll get to all of you. Still got a line open to 1-800-919-3776. And now an ad by BetterHelp. These days just feels like there's a vice for everything. You got cold plunges and gratitude, journals and screen detoxes and this one and that one and listen to that and do this. But how do you know what actually works for you? With the Internet and information overload, it can be so hard to know exactly what to believe. But trust me, therapy is an incredible thing to do for yourself. I personally have benefited from therapy many, many times. And when you talk about BetterHelp, you're talking about the world's largest online platform for it. Over 7 million client reviews. 4.9 out of 5 stars in those reviews as well. Plus such a diverse array of specialties in mental health professionals. All right, so unwind from work. With BetterHelp, our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com timeout. That's better. H E L p.com timeout this episode.
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B
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
A
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. I was right. The Jacob tell tell Peter. He didn't even know what he did. On this day, Vanessa Williams did drop her album. Was it comfort? Comfort Zone. Save the best for last. And if you see the album cover. Oh, let's is stand away Janet. Vanessa, that was quite a time for album covers back in the day.
B
Well, I mean, Vanessa Williams was a Miss America.
A
She was.
B
Before she, I think appeared in Penthouse or something. And then.
A
And then what? And then became a. I think they took it away and became a music star.
B
And then they took it away from her. And then she.
A
Yeah, which is. Which was so ridiculous. But anyways, so you. So I just.
E
You.
A
You stumbled upon something that triggered my memory and then there you go. We had a little bit of history there. How about that? How do you like that?
B
I mean, listen, things happen for a reason. You know what I mean? And also this is happening for a reason. Well, calling all football fans, it's the ESPN New York Survivor pool, which I know you're always very excited about. It's a chance to win 5,000 bucks. All you got to do is sign up. It's that easy. And you make picks every week. See how you stack up against your friends. And hosts here at ESPN New York. All right, but be careful. One wrong pick and you're out. Last one standing will be the second annual ESPN New York Survivor Pool Champion and 5,000 bucks in your pocket. Enter now in the ESPN New York app powered by Splash Sports.com and with that, let's see what good old Dick has to say.
A
We'll have a. No, no, no.
B
You don't want to see Dick.
A
No, no, no. Because we have to do a game time brought to you by Tullamore. Do Irish whiskey back. Because Peter, when it's game time.
B
It'S tolly time.
A
The Mets continue their series with the Nationals. Coverage immediately follows us here in just minutes on 8:80am 6:05 will be when the pregame begins. The Yankees face Tampa down at Steinbrenner Field at 7:35 as well. Telemardu. The original triple distilled, triple blended, triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemardu or try the new Telemurdo, honey. During today's action, glasses up to enjoying Telemore due responsibly. Before we, before we go there though, there's a couple others I wanted to go to, if you don't mind. So first and foremost, how about Dave in Westchester? Dave?
E
Oh yeah. I say Peter is right on the money. I mean, the Giants can really play really, really well and come up with a terrible record. My whole thing is I'm really excited about Carter Scatterboo and Darius Alexander just like everybody else. If you can't answer this question at the end of the year, I'm upset. I don't really don't want The Giants going 6 and 5 and playing Russell Wilson the whole season because then, you know, what the heck you got with dart. You have to know what do you have with this guy?
A
I mean, that's.
E
They know what they got. They have a chance to win the super bowl every year. They, they have their franchise guy. I want you. But Dave, play five games.
A
Yeah, okay, that'll give you the five games thing. But you can't say he's got to play right away because if he's not ready yet, how are you going to know what you have in him if you throw him to the wolves? But later in the season I'm with you.
E
Yeah. I'm not saying start the guy. What I'm saying is that if Russell Wilson, this is not going to happen. They're not going to make the players. We both know that. Come on, let's be serious. What I'm trying to say is that if the Giants should pull off a miracle and just keep going six and five and they have seven wins, they're going to keep starting Russell Wilson. You're not going to be able to tell if Dart's a quarterback or not.
A
Yeah, no, it's.
E
That's my thing.
A
Yes, I do. Because it does feel like a lot like the Kurt Warner to Eli where the Giants weren't. I know they, the record was still manageable, but you were watching the team saying this isn't going anywhere and they got to find out about Eli and then the season went in the tank because, you know, they started losing, but that you just needed to, you needed to give him the reps. Now you almost had to sacrifice the season to get him ready for the following year when you knew, all right, this team's not really going anywhere, so let's just start accelerating the process. So I, I just think that's where we're going to be this year. Joe and Chappaqua. Joe.
E
Hey, Alan, thanks for taking a call.
B
Hey, Joe, how you doing?
E
Good. Good. So, Alan, you mentioned earlier about a gut punch for Giant fans with Saquon.
A
Yeah.
E
Winning the super bowl with the Eagles and I didn't like your comp of Tom Seaver because he really, you know, he'll go to arrival. He didn't win a championship.
A
Right. Yeah. It's the first thing I could think of was like a painful loss to a fan base that loved the player and the organization was stupid in letting in getting rid of them. You know what I mean? Like, that's all that was for me.
E
I got it. Okay, so I have one if you don't indulge me.
A
What do you got?
E
What about Darrell Revis? He won with the Patriots.
A
Yeah. I think by then I had Reavis fatigue when it comes to how many times he held out. You know what I mean? Like, I just kind of had fatigue there. You know, the jets were no longer in that place. But it's not, it's not terrible. It's not, it's not terrible. But you know, like that, like I'm trying to think of one that you saw a player go from your team to a rival and win and it just like, you know, it made you sick. But I'm having a hard time thinking right now. Larry and West Orange. Larry.
E
Larry. Hey. Hey, guys. I'll tell you this conversations about Jackson Dart. It's kind of silly. You start the season with Russell Wilson. If by some miracle you have a 6 and 5 record. And you can make the playoffs. Of course you try to make the playoffs. You owe it to your fans. You owe it to the rest of the team.
A
Yes.
E
Jackson dark and wait another season.
A
Yes.
E
Okay, Jackson Dart is your future. Doesn't matter if it's this year or next year.
A
That's right. It's true. Now, Larry, here's the thing though, right? You know, we always talk about what it looks like. So you could say, like you said, six and five. Sorry, six wins in the first 11 weeks is. That's pretty impressive because you're not expecting it, especially with their schedule. But if, if it's. Let's say it's closer to five. Let's even five and six, if you want to put it that way. But the. Even the five wins aren't really that. Like, they're really not going anywhere. Wouldn't. But yet they're still in contention. But now it's only one win. Now it's 6 and 5 or 5 and 6, but it's what it looks like. Do they look like a team. Like their offense is kind of dull, they're going nowhere. Don't just say, all right, this, we're not really going to do anything this year. Let, let's. Let's get this guy some reps, right?
E
Yeah, week, week 14 or 50.
A
There you go. Yeah, exactly.
E
Okay, that makes sense.
A
I keep saying it. Don't rush the kid. Everybody wants to rush him. I don't want to do that.
E
Nope, not at all. It worked for Eli.
B
That's what you're hoping for. Basically. A repeat is what you're hoping for.
A
Yeah, it's. Honestly, that's one way to look at it. Or it's that they get off to a start, that is what you expect. And you just wait a little. Wait long enough to say, okay, now it's time. I just don't like the idea of throw them to the wolves, especially when you. Again, Peter, when you look at that schedule and you tell yourself Russell Wilson might not have a lot left on the tread, but is it enough to just get you through? Because he's a vet and he understands. You know what I mean? Like, he can at least get you through that. And then if you're at that 1 in 4, 2 and 5 kind of start, then you just go, all right, well, we're not going anywhere. So now it's time to let the guy get reps and, you know, see how he develops over the course of a season, knowing that if it really goes bad, you can always fall back to the veteran and Russell Wilson, or who knows, even Jameis Winston. Because I don't think they're moving on from him anytime soon either.
B
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A
You want him, you got him. Here we go.
B
See what he does.
A
Richard.
E
Hi. Don Allen. The greatest thing. Oh, Don, I'm sorry. Peter Allen. I'm sorry, fellas. I'm sorry. Greatest thing in New York City. The greatest hospital for special surgery just came back. Four weeks ago, the mat under my stretching table slipped, broke the wrist and the wrist. And the radial bone cast just had the cast removed today. The fiberglass cast and a thermoplastic one now. Feels great. It's going to take a while, but great. Dr. Gregory DeFelice, the greatest. Did both of my hip replacements.
B
Left side or east side?
E
The one on 70th in York. The only one. The between FDR.
B
That's not the only one.
E
That's the one.
B
No, no, that's, that's where the doctors are, Peter.
E
The greatest hospital in the world.
B
Okay. There's a west side.
E
They took great care of me and I'm healing with the help of God.
B
Bit rough.
E
It was rough. Rough fall, but slip. I didn't fall. I didn't lose balance or anything. The mat was slippery and I guess I didn't center myself. July 19th on a Saturday, 9:30 in the morning. I'm watching Scottie Scheffler in the, you know, in the golf tournament. And I guess I didn't pay enough attention.
B
We love you, Richard. We hope.
E
Okay, now here's my point.
B
Well, no, that's. That was the whole point because we have 10 seconds left. We love you, Richard. You know what? Alan's not going to say a word because he's, he's, he's just rejoicing in his victory. We'll see you guys tomorrow at 3 o'. Clock. We'll do it again.
A
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
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Date: August 20, 2025
The third hour of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg zeros in on the surge of interest, hope, and skepticism surrounding the New York Giants as the NFL season approaches. With Don La Greca out, Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg steer a lively, opinionated conversation encompassing NFL media narratives, Giants roster moves, fan expectations, and the ongoing “are the Giants for real?” debate among insiders and local fans. The show also touches on Yankees and Mets developments, but the Giants’ prospects dominate the hour, drawing in NFL reporters’ takes and passionate listener calls.
On Giants’ improved vibes
On Daniel Jones → Russell Wilson → Jackson Dart
On National Media
On Narrative Overload
On Saquon’s Exit Pain
On the “Dumpsters” Metaphor
On Not Rushing Jackson Dart
This hour is a microcosm of what it means to be a New York football fan in 2025: battered by last year’s failures, tentatively hopeful thanks to a new coach, a much-needed roster refresh, and a couple of hot preseason showings. While national pundits and some in the NY media are buzzing about the Giants as a potential sleeper, the hosts (especially Peter Rosenberg) and callers keep expectations in check—reminding everyone that progress may simply mean "competitive and building," not "Super Bowl run." The quarterback plan is to let veteran Russell Wilson buy time for project rookie Jackson Dart, and most agree patience is key. Even as new optimism bubbles up, the wounds from Saquon Barkley joining the Eagles and winning it all are still raw.
In short, Giants fans are being told: enjoy the intrigue, but approach the runway—don’t expect takeoff just yet.