Hour 3: Giants Ownership & Crosby Trade Nixed

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Giants Ownership & Crosby Trade Nixed

Date: March 11, 2026 | ESPN New York
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg delve deep into two major breaking stories shaking up New York sports: the sudden exit of Steve Tisch from Giants ownership amidst disturbing Epstein connections, and the collapsed Max Crosby trade that left Ravens and Raiders fans reeling. The trio also weigh in on sports list debates, personal reflections, and rapid-fire takes on NFL free agency. The tone is energetic, candid, and at times, emotionally charged as they toggle between sports, scandal, and fan frustrations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Loss, Music Lists, and Show Banter

[00:43-05:05]

• Music and Emotions: The crew begins with a reflection on tearjerker songs and the relatability of musical lists.
  • Don: “The great thing about the list is you talk about music. There's thousands of songs. And these are my five.” (00:22)
  • Peter defends the subjective nature of personal “tearjerker” song lists, promising a hip hop version soon.
• Show Segment Debates: They jokingly discuss shifting the “That Guy Thursday” bit for something with fresher energy.
• Alan’s Personal Story: Alan shares a moving, personal story about a friend's father passing away from an accidental home injury.
  • Alan: “Life is friggin’ crazy.” (06:32)
  • Don: “It just tells you that when it's time to go, it's time to go.” (07:08)

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2. Steve Tisch Out as Giants Owner: The Epstein Fallout

[07:18-23:31]

A. Breaking the News

• Steve Tisch Steps Down/Stake Transferred:
  • Don explains a major memo: Steve Tisch and family are transferring their Giants ownership to their children's trust, severing ties due to his documented association with Jeffrey Epstein.
  • “...following the transaction, the sellers… will no longer have any interest in the club.” (07:48)
• Motivation & Damage Control:
  • Is this proactive reputation management or bracing for more damaging revelations?
  • Don: “Is this getting out in front of what might be more information about what Steve did in relation to Epstein, or is this, hey, what little we do know… is still disgusting?” (09:16)

B. NFL & Ownership Reputation Management

• League’s Tactics:
  • Peter: “Obvious thing that you do when the league looks at you and says, don’t get us involved. Because if we get involved, then… more information comes out.” (10:02)
  • The transfer allows the NFL to distance itself quickly: “He is no longer an owner. We don’t need to answer to this… And that’s what people said when this first came out. He can’t be an owner anymore.” (10:55)

C. The Ethics and Optics of the Tisch Exit

• Should John Mara Speak Out?

  • Don argues Mara should publicly clarify his role (or lack thereof): “If I was involved in this, I think you should make that known…I could not allow him to be a part of this organization anymore.” (11:46)
  • Peter challenges: “Are you trying to draw more attention to it?” (14:30)
  • Alan: “Actions over words in this situation.” (14:07)

• Comparison to NBA Sterling Ouster:

  • The crew compares the situation to how the NBA removed Donald Sterling—pointing out the tacit league pressure vs. formal expulsion.

D. Can Owners Plead Ignorance?

• Alan and Peter debate if John Mara could have known nothing about Tisch’s ties.

  • Peter: “Your team has security. They know everything.” (18:17)
  • Alan: “I think there’s a world in which they really don’t know.” (18:06)
  • Don: “I don’t know half the people I work with. Once they leave my sight, I don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors.” (21:13)

• Unified Disgust: The crew agree on the moral revulsion around the Epstein revelations and joke that “everybody’s a degenerate” in politics and sports, with little hope of this uniting the public. (22:42)

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3. Rapid NFL Free Agency: The Kyler Murray Release & Quarterback Trends

[26:27-28:21]

• Kyler Murray Released: Peter flags a tweet about only three first-round QBs (drafted 2010–2019) still with their teams: Mahomes, Allen, Jackson.
• Draft Realities: Don notes the volatility of the NFL QB draft—most picks don’t pan out for the original team.

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4. Max Crosby Trade Nixed: Fallout and Speculation

[28:21-35:54]

A. Collapsed Trade Mechanics

• Confusion Over the Physical: Don is baffled that major contract agreements are announced before physicals are completed.
  • “Why are these things not announced post-physical?” (28:46)
• NFL’s Legal Tampering Window: Peter explains the current system where deals are struck but finalized after the physical and official date. (28:58)
  • “Most of the time it doesn’t happen. It’s bad form…” (30:19)
• Trust Issues: There’s concern whether other teams can now trust Baltimore in good faith.

B. Impact on Teams

• Don and Alan: Domino Effects: Raiders (and others) affected by the collapse; cap space and plans thrown into disarray.
• Eric DeCosta’s Statement: Ravens GM claims regret, but the crew is skeptical.
  • “[Do] you believe them?” Alan: “No.” Peter: “Because why would you be gutted?” (31:53)

C. Sports Conspiracy Theories

• Alan speculates whether the league stepped in to prevent two top edge rushers on one team, suggesting it would have been “impossible.”
  • “Maybe the league caught wind of this… The Baltimore doesn’t get Hendrickson and Crosby. That just doesn’t even work.” (32:44)

D. Caller Takes

• Vinnie from Staten Island: Suggests someone must have tipped off the Ravens about Crosby’s medical risk, says DeCosta’s not being fully honest. Crew disputes and breakdowns the likely medical reasoning (“almost no meniscus left in his knee”). (33:51)

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5. Listener Calls and Clarifying the Tisch-Epstein Facts

[36:04-41:12]

• Caller Eric’s Critique: Alleges the hosts downplayed possible criminality of Tisch’s Epstein connection.

  • Don (forceful): “Here's what we know... he had a relationship with Epstein... was having relations with adult women through Epstein... That to me… is enough for me to say I'm grossed out by it.” (38:51)
  • Alan: “Do you not hear us? All three of us are saying we're good on Tish, the Giants should move on.” (39:33)

• Epstein Context: Alan adds context about how Epstein’s M.O. was “ensnaring” people, and not every association is equal.

  • Alan: “He communicated with tons of people who didn’t do anything… That’s literally what he did.” (40:52)

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6. Giants Coaching Update: Evan Neal, Harbaugh, and Fan Frustration

[44:04-49:52]

• Harbaugh Belief in Evan Neal: New Giants coach John Harbaugh is reportedly excited to work with struggling former 7th overall pick Evan Neal.
  • Don (sarcastic): “Boo his sorry ass. Cut his fat ass now. Don’t stop booing him.” (45:28)
• Redemption for Draft Busts: Don and Peter review who the Giants could have drafted instead and wrangle with acceptance if Harbaugh can salvage the pick.
  • Don: “If the coach that we all love thinks I see something in him… who am I to say he’s wrong?” (46:14)
  • Peter: “It’s, let’s see what we can do with you and figure it out. Let’s see if we can get you right.” (49:35)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NFL Ownership Ethics:
  • Don: “If I support you and I go on the air and say I'm gonna continue to work with Steve... People are going to assume that I knew that you knew Epstein for five years and he supplied you with women... That makes it seem like I knew what was going on and didn’t care.” (16:30)
• On Sports Trust:
  • Alan: “We all root for Yo Yo [teams]. How is it possible that you’re able to like financially work that out where you could get Hendrickson and Crosby on the same team?” (32:38)
• On the Reality of Scandal and the 1%:
  • Don: “No one ever does. Because the 1% always think they’re going to get away.” (18:40)
• On Public Reactions:
  • Alan: “You can’t look at it because the email exists, it means they did something. That’s literally what he did.” (40:52)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment Topic | | ----------- | -------------------------------------------------------------- | | 00:43–05:05 | Personal stories, emotional song lists, shifting show bits | | 07:18–23:31 | Steve Tisch-Giants-Epstein story and NFL ownership ethics | | 26:27–28:21 | Kyler Murray release and first-round QB retention in NFL | | 28:21–35:54 | Max Crosby trade nixed, impact on teams, and NFL free agency | | 36:04–41:12 | Listener confrontation over Tisch facts, clarifying allegations| | 44:04–49:52 | Giants coaching update, Harbaugh’s faith in Evan Neal |

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TL;DR / Highlights

• Giants Ownership Shakeup: Steve Tisch out as co-owner, his family’s stake moving to a trust amidst confirmed links to Jeffrey Epstein; crew debates whether John Mara should make a public stand or quietly manage the fallout.
• Ravens–Raiders Crosby Trade Collapses: Questions swirl over medicals, league timing, and fairness in NFL free agency machinations.
• Fan Frustration Endures: The hosts take calls, address grievances, and revisit memorable rants about underachieving draft picks.
• Nuanced Take on Scandal: The show balances outrage with precise breakdowns of what’s known and what’s speculation in the Tisch/Epstein saga—a key moment in modern sports morality discussions.

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A rich, emotional, and occasionally confrontational hour—essential listening for anyone following New York sports and the complicated intersection of power, ethics, and fandom.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don La Greca]

Unless you knew what it was about. But every other one. The other thing everybody knew. Everybody. The other one is all of My Love by Led Zeppelin, which is about his son that died.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that's right.

[Don La Greca]

But. But the ones that I had clearly just listening to the song. You don't have to know. You're going to pick up the vibe. Yeah, but listen, there's. The great thing about the list is you talk about music. There's a. There's thousands of songs. And these are my five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can't get it wrong.

[Don La Greca]

You can have your five. That's why I was a little defensive when you don't get to. Anthony said it's not popular on the. Anthony's a little troublemaker. Let's be honest.

[Alan Hahn]

He's very good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He lives for it.

[Alan Hahn]

He's getting better and better as a producer as a result. Now.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah. Give me your. You have your top 5 tearjerker hip hop songs. Yeah, I don't.

[Alan Hahn]

I need to make it. Oh, I thought you had it.

[Don La Greca]

I thought you were gonna do it during the break. Then you can't take it seriously. No, Peter said he wants to make

[Alan Hahn]

it the list next week. Yeah, I was saying make it a real list or even on a different day. Could even be like a fri. Well, this Friday we're at the.

[Don La Greca]

We're out. That's exact time to do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know.

[Alan Hahn]

Because what are we doing? But yeah, I mean. Yeah, they know. Maybe Friday I do it.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, but the problem is you gotta be able to.

[Alan Hahn]

We'll hear it in our headphones. We can have it played back to us. Cause we'll of course be. You gotta come out to Moynihan Hall. And hang out with us. Guys, it's a Friday, for God's sake. The Biggies tournament's going on. Come by.

[Don La Greca]

I gotta tell you, if you don't mind me going public, that guy Thursday needs a little juice. So why don't you do it tomorrow at 4:30? Whoa. What do you think? Is that wrong?

[Alan Hahn]

You mean you're over that guy right now is what you're saying? You wanted that guy break.

[Don La Greca]

Let's be honest. How many times are we like. We got one.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, the problem with that guy. What do you think the problem with that guy is? It's that guy. And talk about it.

[Don La Greca]

Are very similar.

[Alan Hahn]

Very similar.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sort of. Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

But just this one. I'm not saying we give up on that guy Thursday. I'm just saying we have momentum. You're saying we could take a bit

[Alan Hahn]

of a break, turn it around tomorrow,

[Don La Greca]

put it in hiatus.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's the hardest part. So I'm going to. Yes, but here's the problem. What we'll need then is Friday you to respond. Are you. What's your. What way do you listen to things? Besides. Seriously, are you like a Pandora?

[Don La Greca]

Like a.

[Alan Hahn]

You're just YouTube. So I have to make you a YouTube music list?

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You have YouTube music?

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know how to.

[Don La Greca]

I don't have YouTube. No. Well, no, I shouldn't say that. I punch it up.

[Alan Hahn]

And you pay for YouTube. So you don't have ads?

[Don La Greca]

No, I have YouTube. I have ads. I look up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're thinking way too hard here.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, I'm sorry. Sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm literally creating a playlist right now.

[Alan Hahn]

On YouTube songs?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, on Amazon.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, on Amazon. You're an Amazon guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm an Amazon music guy.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Don La Greca]

But I have Amazon. So does that mean I have Amazon music or no. Is that separate?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You have Amazon music.

[Alan Hahn]

You probably do. Listen, my Amazon prime is up any day. I'm very excited. Natalie, in her constant quest to get rid of our. When we have two things that we're both paying for. She was very proudly canceled my Amazon Prime. So we can stop both paying for Amazon Prime. But I'm gonna make you. Here's the deal. So tomorrow I'll do the list. Some of the songs Alan will of course have thoughts on. But you won't. And you won't fully be able to until you actually sit and listen to the song.

[Don La Greca]

But then you have to give me the list ahead of time. We don't like it. No, no.

[Alan Hahn]

So I'm saying you respond to it the next day. Okay, so tomorrow I reveal the list and you'll hear a few seconds of

[Don La Greca]

it and then we get up on Friday.

[Alan Hahn]

But then Friday you could say, hey, I listened to it. This one hit or this one didn't. It's just too hard. Like when we want Alan to truly appreciate father and son, when you just hear the beginning 10 seconds, it's very hard to really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which is why I'm get into. I'm putting it in and then.

[Alan Hahn]

And by the way, if we, if we ever do, maybe Alan responds to hold on next week.

[Don La Greca]

Hold on.

[Alan Hahn]

Alan could turn around with Father Daughter songs of which we know there are a lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But man, can we do that when we're doing the show from home?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You need them.

[Don La Greca]

Turn the camera off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Turn the camera off.

[Don La Greca]

Listen, I was losing it just reading those lyrics, man. I mean, listen, you get to a certain age now and you start to have kids, it's.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, listen, dude, by the way, by the way, this is just a super personal thing, but this is what we do on the show. I don't know why I have to introduce it. Okay, So a good friend of mine whose name I won't say because this is obviously a private thing, but it's just on my mind, so I figured I'd share it. We're already being morose. My friend's father passed away in the saddest terms the other day, man, I was like so blown away by it. He, his dad, he's not an old guy. Late 60s, 70, doing just fine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

He fell at home and injured his ankle.

[Rich Eisen]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

And like, oh, I really think I sprained my ankle. Like it's in, it's in bad shape. Calls my friend and his, and his wife, you know, his daughter in law. And my friend is obviously says to his dad, like, all right, well, you gotta, you know, go to the doctor. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to go to the doctor and get checked out. It's a, you know, it seems like a pretty serious ankle thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

So that happens. And then 24 hours pass and he's calling his dad and just cannot get ahold of his dad. His parents, I guess, are not together. Yeah, they're not together. 24 hours pass, he cannot get ahold of his dad and he has to call the police. And they go into the house and I guess his dad attempted to walk on the bad leg and in doing so fell and hit his head and died.

[Don La Greca]

That's impossible, man. That's terrible. Not old.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, we're not talking about someone who's 85 years old. Like, it's just. Life is frigging crazy. Meanwhile, I have another friend who a couple of months ago, his dad gets rushed to the hospital because he's been a secret, basically alcoholic, you know, treating his body like complete garbage. His body's in complete shutdown. He goes to the hospital and thank God it worked out. But listen to the irony. The doctors are basically like, you've destroyed and poisoned your entire body. But they brought him back from the brink, changed his diet, he stopped drinking, and he's still with us. Meanwhile, totally healthy guy falls down, bangs his head, boom, he's gone.

[Don La Greca]

It just tells you that when it's time to go, it's time to go.

[Alan Hahn]

Isn't that insane?

[Don La Greca]

It's insane. But that's the only thing, the only conclusion you can jump to is that now the other big story today.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know if that was a big story, but the other big story. But Bam had a bio.

[Don La Greca]

Well, I wasn't referring to your news. I'm just saying we've talked about other stories here. Sure, we have. All right. And I know the list is all anybody can think about right now, right. Is that Steve Tisch is out, it looks like, as owner of the New York Giants.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, so how far down the road are we with this? Because this is very. There's just so much to talk about here. Is this, like, how far do we. How close do we think they are?

[Don La Greca]

No, apparently the way it goes is that Adam Schefter tweeted out, Giants co owners Steve Laurie and Jonathan Tish are requesting to transfer their stakes in the team to their children's trust, according to an NFL memo obtained by Seth Wickersham and Jordan Rannon. So. And then Jordan has followed up, saying, following the transaction, the sellers, meaning those three Tishes, will no longer have any interest in the club. Now, this is what we had talked about. Like, is it fair for the kids to lose out on their share of the team because their dad's a degenerate? And this is how you get around it. But what I find interesting about it is getting ahead of it. And I don't know who to compliment here. I guess we could say maybe John Mara, you know, greased the skids for this. Of like, you can't own the team anymore, man. You. You gotta do something here. Either sell or transfer the funds to your kids. You can't be involved anymore. And doing it before we find out More stuff or the fact that it's being transferred into a trust is protecting it because there will be more stuff. There could be a lawsuit and the kids are thinking, I don't want all the money to be taken away here. But whatever it is, guys, is it's one of two things and I'd love to get your opinion on this. Is this getting out in front of what might be more information about what Steve did in relation to Epstein, or is this, hey, what little we do know about it is still disgusting. Knowing a guy that was a known sexual deviant. Right. Sexual predator for five years, you had a relationship with him, an email five years after the fact that. And that he's supplying you adult women, professionals or non professionals, to me from a reputation standpoint, not a legal standpoint, but from a reputation standpoint, that would be enough for me, if I'm John Maurer, to say, steve, you're out. So I think it's more that than believing more might come out. Or do you think it's just, hey, we could have rode this. We could have made it work. But we're afraid something more is gonna come out here and let's get out in front of it. What do you think is the odds on favorite of those two?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's an obvious thing that you do when the league looks at you and says, don't get us involved. Because if we get involved, then of course, as you know, investigations, more information comes out. This has to go away. We don't want to have. Because the next time someone says, hey, you know, one of your owners is on this list, and we can say he's not an owner anymore. Right.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that technically is true. Now, they have already done transfers into the trusts in the previous years. So it's also.

[Don La Greca]

Doesn't look shady, but the timing of it makes it. Well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they have done transfers.

[Don La Greca]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of the trust in previous years. So it's not as if this. But now this has become the entire remaining interest, which is 23% of the club. So that means he has no ownership in stake whatsoever. Steve Tisch is no longer considered an owner of the job.

[Grainger Announcer]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So with that said, now the NFL can go. He's not an owner. He's no longer an owner. We don't need to answer to this. We don't need to look into anything. He is no longer an owner. And isn't that what people said when this first came out? He can't be an owner anymore. Right. Right. Well, instead of Roger Goodell saying He's out as an owner, which becomes now very dramatic. And that becomes a bigger deal. No, just you guys take care of this, and we move on. And that's what I feel like. This was that this.

[Alan Hahn]

This is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is an Irish exit. Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

Well, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Friday just.

[Don La Greca]

I don't. Roger Goodell could say, listen, he doesn't know the team anymore. We're not involved. What do you want me to do? So. But however, I think enough people are invested in this that we still could find out how much more he might have been involved.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And if it does, the Giants are no longer attached to it and the former owner.

[Don La Greca]

Now, you might think this is a bit much, but if I'm John Mara, I want to make it known. If I was involved in this, I think you should make that known. Like, I don't want people thinking that this was just a coincidence and he was leaving it to his kids. If you. If you were involved, like, I can't have you and your reputation sully our organization then do you need to make that public? I made this happen. I could not allow him to be a part of this organization anymore. Based on the information like this, Don,

[Peter Rosenberg]

if I was on the list and you now knew I can't be on the show anymore, are you going to now tell the world I wanted him out or you, like, don't need to bury this guy anymore? You know, he moved on. We don't have to. How would you handle.

[Don La Greca]

Great question. If there was information that came out?

[Alan Hahn]

Let's.

[Don La Greca]

Let's. Let's. Let's use this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don La Greca]

Alan. Alan Hahn is on the Epstein.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. You didn't have to.

[Don La Greca]

Well, that's what we're talking about. It didn't happen. Now, hold on.

[Alan Hahn]

Are we not allowed to make that a drop?

[Don La Greca]

No, please don't. No. Because we don't want this. Yo yos will believe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you kidding me?

[Don La Greca]

Yo yos will believe. But if you were on how you

[Alan Hahn]

just get it once. I just. No. Before the day is done, it'll die.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not going to even think about it.

[Don La Greca]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

How about top of enn? Just at ENN and then we move on. But I need one time. John decided to isolate it is going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he knew what he was doing.

[Alan Hahn]

Is on the Epstein.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Now you know.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's not possible that he said it.

[Don La Greca]

If you were Steve Tisch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don La Greca]

Better way to phrase. There you go.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a better way to.

[Don La Greca]

And I. I did the show. All right. It was Don Titian Rosenberg. Right. Wow. All Right. And this information came out, and then Tish responds the way he responded. So we know that he was friends with Epstein and Epstein was supplying him with women. All right, ESPN is looking into it. I have to say, I don't want

[Alan Hahn]

to work with you anymore.

[Don La Greca]

I can't support you. And if I don't say anything, then people are gonna assume I still support you. And then what am I supposed to come back after the fact, after we find out that it's way worse? Listen, I'm so glad he's gone. Well, why didn't you say something to that action? I would ask. I would not want to work with you anymore.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Actions over words in this situation.

[Don La Greca]

I would. If you. If Steve Tish worked on this show with what we know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

I would make it public. I did not want to work with him anymore.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You would?

[Don La Greca]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Knowing Steve Tisch for 20 years, having success with him.

[Don La Greca]

Well, that. All the more reason.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, because.

[Don La Greca]

Because if I don't you think you

[Peter Rosenberg]

just like again, are you trying to draw more attention to it?

[Don La Greca]

Let me read you what Roger Goodell said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is February 2nd, when it all came out.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When his name came out. And we on that show that day were like, well, you gotta do something. Right. You have to react. Goodell was asked about it, and he said, we're gonna look at all the facts. We're gonna look to the context of those and try to understand it. Look at how that falls under the policy. Let's get the facts first. He said, I don't even know the status. I know that all the documents, blah, blah, blah. He goes, but we have to look at all the facts. Then he answered at the very end. That's why we have a personal conduct policy and why we will look into the facts. And then from there, they did that.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the result is this. So, Cadell, it was actions over words.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rather than draw more attention, let's just. The memo is Steve Tisch is no longer an owner. Moving on.

[Don La Greca]

Because this is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Draw any more attention to it.

[Don La Greca]

Right. But the point is, is at the time he said that. Because with what we know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

Of him getting prostitutes from Epstein is not enough to make him sell the team. It's not even a crime. So that's why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To warn him. I'm telling you, that's a difference.

[Don La Greca]

There's a difference between me forcing you out the way Donald Sterling was forced out by the NBA.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don La Greca]

And strongly suggesting behind the scenes, this guy's got to go. There's two different things.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

Now we're not talking about that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like you don't want us to kick you out.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want us to say code of conduct. You're out. We don't want to embarrass you any more than you already are. So why don't you exit space off. And that's what he did.

[Don La Greca]

What I'm doing is I'm talking about the John Mara perspective of it. I know because I'm putting myself in John Mara's shoes. All right? I work with Steve Tisch. I've. I've known Steve Tisch for 25 years. I've done a show with Steve Tisch for the last year.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay. Right.

[Don La Greca]

This information comes out. No. Zepstein for five years. Epstein supplies with women. We know that as fact. That was in the statement from Tish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. Yes.

[Don La Greca]

If I support you and I go on the air and say I'm gonna continue to work with Steve. I'm gonna support Steve. Until we get more information. People are going to assume that I knew that you knew Epstein for five years and he supplied you with women. I don't want that. I don't want that on my reputation. That makes it seem like I knew what was going on and didn't care.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know what you're saying.

[Don La Greca]

So John Marik is like John Marek's like. I didn't know this. And then the second I found out about it, I wanted him gone. That's the way I would look at it from here. Because I didn't know. Now, if I knew and I keep it quiet, then ain't I guilty by association?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How would you not know? We've been together all these years. You.

[Don La Greca]

All I'm saying is. That's interesting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think this is Goodell. I think this is the NFL saying you. You need to go.

[Don La Greca]

But we don't want to embarrass you

[Peter Rosenberg]

any more than you already are.

[Don La Greca]

No question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's just find a way out of this thing quietly.

[Don La Greca]

But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And why would you pick the middle of free agency. But when all the news is about everything else?

[Don La Greca]

But I want to. This is. But if I'm. John Marrow would want to get out in front and say. I'm say just what you said. We needed to get him out. As soon as I saw that he had a relationship with Epstein. We were working to try to get rid of him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's because later.

[Don La Greca]

Because you just said it. How do you not know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do you not know?

[Don La Greca]

But isn't it possible John didn't know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come on.

[Don La Greca]

I don't know how close they are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't have to be close. You're an owner. You're in the same vicinity of a lot of things. You're going to tell me that you're complete strangers. You've been co owners for how many years?

[Don La Greca]

I know, but you have no idea.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's got a hankering. Come on.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know. I think there's a world in which they really don't know.

[Don La Greca]

Oh, listen, do I know he's cheating on his wife? Maybe that's his business. But. But you think John Mara knew he had a relationship with Epstein?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Your team has security. They know everything. They know everything. I'm not buying it. I'm sorry, Don. I'm not really.

[Don La Greca]

See, see, this is interesting. I'm not going to jump you for this opinion. But the point is, this is why John should have gotten out front. Because now Alan has that opinion. Because John didn't immediately, immediately say, I got to get rid of this guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no one did until all this.

[Don La Greca]

No one ever does. Because the 1% always think they're going to get away.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's it.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the one.

[Don La Greca]

Always believe that at the end of the day, they're good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just keep it quiet. Nobody needs to know. Just clean it up.

[Alan Hahn]

In fact, it's possible that the reason this is even happening is that in the next week or two, we find out more. And that had it just been the original. Had it just been the original stuff, they might have actually still tried to ride it out. There's actually more.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Six weeks. It's in the middle of the busiest time of the off season, which is, of course, the free agency frenzy and all the big news.

[Don La Greca]

The.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is literally where you let this slip out. Six weeks after the fact, it can look like the league did their investigation. It could all be quiet. And the most important part that they made sure the reporters knew to say is that he is no longer. He no longer has an ownership stake in the team. That's the most important phrase for the NFL and for the Giants. That's it. Because now, from here forward, anytime his name surfaces again, former owner.

[Don La Greca]

And if I'm John Marrow, what I'm telling you is, is that I'm going public to say I was behind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think you saw nothing.

[Don La Greca]

You say nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then why would you bring more attention to it?

[Don La Greca]

Because people, you. Because people are going to assume like you just did. John always, you know, John knew that he was scum and did not do anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not going to change.

[Don La Greca]

And Again, I don't care about the infidelity. All right, maybe it's not anybody's business who he's sleeping with, but if I knew he had a friendship with Epstein, the second I find out about that, I gotta try to disassociate myself from this guy, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You would think.

[Don La Greca]

And is that crazy a thought, Peter? And again, I'm not defending because I'm a Giant fan. I'm just trying to be a human being. Isn't it possible he had no idea that he was friends with Epstein?

[Alan Hahn]

I disagree with Allen that he even knew anything. I think it's possible, given I don't know the level of the Tish Merrill relationship. Do either of you truly. Not just speculating, do either of you truly know the extreme.

[Don La Greca]

For all I know, they're business partners. No.

[Alan Hahn]

No. But, like, even business partners who don't

[Don La Greca]

even talk, I don't even. I don't know what kind of relationship they have. They have no relationship.

[Alan Hahn]

When did they go into business together?

[Don La Greca]

1990. The father's Wellington. They bought the team in 1990. So. So John has known Steve for 35 years. But.

[Alan Hahn]

But it was his dad that bought into the team.

[Don La Greca]

But the idea is that they probably met 35 years ago. Did they have a relationship? Did they hang? They have dinner together, they vacation together? Or was it just, hey, you own half of my dad's team. What's up? And then they see each other at meetings and shake hands.

[Alan Hahn]

That's on the table. Yeah, that's fully on the table.

[Don La Greca]

I mean, I don't know half the people I work with. Once they leave my sight, I don't know what's going on behind closed doors.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, this is. It's hard to jump out on a limb and say something definitive out of a man's personality that you've only met and chatted with a couple of times in interviews. But, Don, I gather in the several conversations I've had with John Marra, not the kind of guy I am sharing my weird sexual exploits with. Not the vibe John Mara gives. You want to go to a weird Epstein situation? That's not John Mara's energy.

[Don La Greca]

And if we're right, Steve's probably not like, I can't wait to tell John about my weekend with Epstein Island.

[Alan Hahn]

I would think not. That's not what Amera gives.

[Don La Greca]

Right. But. But, hey, that's not enough because it's not like we knew him that well. But you're right. He doesn't give up those vibes. But the point is, is that you gotta get out. It's disgusting. It really is. I'm not trying to be on some moral high ground here, but come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's really. Anything disgusting. Anything. We're finding out about all that stuff, watching depositions, you are seeing that it is definitely one of the most salacious things you've ever witnessed.

[Don La Greca]

And I've always said it, and I'll say it again, not to get overly political, but this might be what brings our country together because I think both sides of the aisle, I'm disgusted by it. We're dipping their toes in the deep end on this thing, and nobody's going to be able to point the finger and go, oh, well, look at you. Look at the degenerate Democrat, the degenerate Republican. Everybody's a degenerate.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, well, you and I could talk off the air about how I think that won't happen, but yeah, I think,

[Don La Greca]

no, no, no, nothing. Because we're beyond ever being united. Whether it's a gold medal, 9, 11. Covid. Every, every event divides us more.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's not going to happen.

[Don La Greca]

But it's not. But I don't think maybe if aliens. But no but, but, but I don't think there'll be one side being able to take a victory lap when all these names come out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, nobody wants, you know, none of them wanted out in this country. No one's but getting repercussions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the end, though, the Giants clean their hands and move on. The NFL cleans their hands and move on. They will now forever say, that's not our business. We have no comment on it. This is not an owner anymore and they can now move forward. And that's really what this was about today.

[Don La Greca]

All right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

People said he needs to go, and he gone.

[Don La Greca]

He gone, he gone.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so Don Kyler Murray released right by Arizona yes, so I see this tweet from Albert Breer So with this release, just three of the 29 first round quarterbacks drafted in the second decade. So 2010 to 2019.

[Don La Greca]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. Three of the 29 that were drafted in the first round are still with their team. Can you name them? They were drafted between 2010 and 2019. I think it's fairly easy, but I'm just curious.

[Don La Greca]

All right, fairly easy. So you say Patrick Mahomes. One would be one, Josh Allen would be two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You are correct.

[Don La Greca]

Just trying to figure out the year they were.

[Peter Rosenberg]

2018. He was. Allen was 2018.

[Don La Greca]

When was Lamar Jackson dream drafted?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is Lamar Jackson your third answer?

[Don La Greca]

Give me one more second

[Peter Rosenberg]

because Dak

[Don La Greca]

wasn't drafted in the first round.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he was a fourth round pick.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah. And so I believe Love was 2000, so he wouldn't count. I don't think there's anybody else. So I will say Lamar Jackson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I said yes, Lamar Jackson is correct. Same year as Josh Allen. Remember, lamar was the 30th pick.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For some reason, everybody just waited on him. And then he landed in the lap, of course, Baltimore. But Yeah, incredible. So 29 times a team took a quarterback in the first round believing we found our guy, and 26 times they realized that they were wrong.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah. And that's what happens. And then you got to get out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Unreal.

[Don La Greca]

It is pretty incredible. Also, the Max Crosby thing, pretty incredible as well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do you feel about that?

[Don La Greca]

You should be first of all, I don't understand. It's a significant move. It gets announced. Teams start making moves because Crosby's now not available. So I'm a team that might have been interested in him. I got to go pivot to somebody else. The Raiders start making moves because they freedom up, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

And you didn't check a physical on the guy. Why. Why are these things not announced post physical? Why are we so hot to get things done before you get a chance

[Alan Hahn]

to take a look at the guy? How?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, remember, nothing's done because technically nothing is official. Because this is right now what they used to call legal tampering.

[Don La Greca]

Exactly. They can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They don't call it that anymore. But that's what it was called. Meaning you can come to agreements, negotiation window.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what it is now. And nothing is official. I don't know exactly what the date is when they all get official. Monday.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, I believe so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But regardless, you have that time to back out if you need to. If you don't like something, this allows it. So despite the fact that they made a deal, it wasn't done, technically. Now, you're right, because you're seeing reports from a lot of the best reporters we have on the NFL saying that teams are now saying, I don't know if I want to deal with Baltimore right now.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. If I don't, can I trust them? That if I make a deal and I now move forward with the idea that this deal is done and then they back out, now I got to redo everything, you know, Linenbaum and there were other moves that were made that created or took away Cassidy.

[Don La Greca]

Now, you know, today at 4:00pm, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's today. Oh, wow. Okay. I thought it was a week. It's not even a week you have. I think. Well, that's probably why they had to do what they did this morning is back out. I just think, like you. You have that time to do it. Most of the time it doesn't happen. It's bad form, as they say.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And so that's. That's where I wonder if there was. If there's going to be. If there's fair criticism. But I'm done. If I see something in the MRI and I'm like, all right, you know what? That knee doesn't look. It's going to hold up for as long as we expect it to. He's also not going to be ready to start training camp. We should not do this.

[Don La Greca]

No, no, I understand that, but this is. This is the dilemma. Because what other moves now get messed up because of this? It could be a domino effect.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, they're going to move on from Crosby to some. Somebody's going to take.

[Alan Hahn]

But I think it already. But I think it also screwed the Raiders already.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's been the problem.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

The Raiders have already.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. It's the. It's the draft picks. They now. Right. They lose.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's now the caps. The cap number comes back correct. And then they already make moves and they've made some big money signings. They now have to make sure they move Crosby. What puts them in a compromised position because teams now know they have to move him.

[Don La Greca]

Exactly. So Eric Dacosta, the general manager of the Ravens, talked about the Crosby situation.

[Eric Dacosta]

We've got a responsibility. I've got a responsibility to the Ravens, to this community, to our fans and to Steve Boschotti to do what we think is best for the club. And that's what we always try to do. Every decision we make is based on this idea. Is this the best thing for the Ravens? Very, very challenging. Again, I understand how people might, maybe from afar would feel that way, but nobody is more upset about this than me. Gutted by it actually. And so a regret, a big regret for me. But we will move on as a football team and I think there's many, many opportunities for us to grow as a team, to become a better team, to build a roster and to be the team that we want to be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you believe them? No.

[Don La Greca]

Why not?

[Alan Hahn]

Because why would you be gutted?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You.

[Alan Hahn]

You went from having to trade pieces for a top tier defender.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The game changer.

[Alan Hahn]

Pass rush or game changer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Crosby's a game changer.

[Alan Hahn]

But you got signed another one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Without giving up anything. Just spending money.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

They were hoping to get both.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The reporting I saw to Baltimore. Was that the actual plan? And they waited on Hendrickson because, you know, there wasn't a market and so they thought they can get him for a good number. And so the plan was to have both guys.

[Alan Hahn]

How is that possible?

[Don La Greca]

Richer. Like that?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, yeah, like we moved.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They moved on from some pieces.

[Alan Hahn]

But the three of us root for yo yo teams.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh please, let's not start.

[Alan Hahn]

So we all root for Yo Yo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

How is it possible that you're able to like financially work that out where you could get Hendrickson and Crosby on the same team? That was going to be possible.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Two twenty million dollar edge rushers.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

How would that be possible? Or maybe we're looking the wrong way at the conspiracy here. Maybe, maybe the league caught wind of. This is like no way. This ain't happening. The ball, the Baltimore doesn't get Hendrickson and Crosby. That just doesn't even work.

[Rich Eisen]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Has there ever been a comp to that? What?

[Don La Greca]

Of a player getting traded.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no. Have there ever been two edge rushers of that level on the same team?

[Don La Greca]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Those are the two. Bet that's, that's. You're talking about like one and two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I don't know about one and two.

[Alan Hahn]

One and four.

[Don La Greca]

Two of the top five top ten.

[Alan Hahn]

Those are the two most desirable ones

[Peter Rosenberg]

available in modern era. It's really hard to do if you drafted them. Yes.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, but, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I know we.

[Alan Hahn]

I've seen, I have seen. I remember for example, I thought like in Washington people thought Chase Young and Duron Payne. That wasn't that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

This is it. This is. These are in their prime, weren't they?

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were both drafted though by the team. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And they were both drafted. So it makes sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it was easier to do.

[Alan Hahn]

You're horrible Every year.

[Don La Greca]

You could draft an Alabama free age in that way is pretty significant. Let's go to Vinnie in Staten Island. You're on espn, New York. What's up in.

[Caller Vinnie]

What's going on, guys? Somebody got in his ear, told him crosby isn't work. Two number one picks at 29 years old coming off an injury, and they just pulled the plug on it. That guy's full of crap. You can hear in his voice, he's pulling it. You know, I just.

[Don La Greca]

I agree with you guys.

[Alan Hahn]

Who would get in Eric DaCosta's ear, though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

First of all, Eric DaCosta is one of the best general managers in the sport.

[Alan Hahn]

This is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's.

[Caller Vinnie]

You can hear him. You can hear it in his voice.

[Alan Hahn]

Vinnie knows. Vinnie knows it all. He knew it yesterday. He knows it again. I. By the way, I like Vinnie's calls. He's just so matter of fact. Eric Dacosta, again, this is not the Jets. This is the Ravens.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, this is.

[Don La Greca]

They've done the work.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is an experienced guy who.

[Alan Hahn]

Who they.

[Don La Greca]

They.

[Alan Hahn]

They know what they're. They're not a lot of busts in Baltimore. No, they know what the. You think that a player. That significance.

[Don La Greca]

They knew.

[Alan Hahn]

They didn't know.

[Don La Greca]

No, they knew the injury. Everybody knew the Crosby injury.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they said they saw something in the physical that they didn't like.

[Don La Greca]

Right. But the physical revealed more than. I think that they.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, let me ask you. So we're gonna find out the truth here. It might take a little while. You're telling me that you saw something in Max Crosby's physical that is so detrimental that, like, you think there's a good chance he's gonna fall off a cliff, Essentially, is what you're saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In time, he almost has no meniscus left in his knee. That's basically what the scuttlebutt is.

[Rich Eisen]

How much?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I mean, that varies on people's

[Peter Rosenberg]

pain threshold, and that's exactly right, you

[Alan Hahn]

know, but, you know, have you seen Max Crosby? He doesn't even.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It definitely looks like he doesn't.

[Don La Greca]

Same thing happened with Correa. Everybody knew his injury. Everybody knew his injury. The Mets looked at it and said, it's not going to last years of this contract. What was that? They nixed it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was his foot.

[Don La Greca]

His foot. But everybody knew he had an injured foot. It wasn't until looking at the physical, they said, I can't sign him to this kind of a contract. Everybody knew the two things on the table with Crosby. People thought he was faking the injury. Because they were tanking, but they knew he was hurt. So now they look at it and go, okay, we'll be good for a couple of years, but then this contract's

[Alan Hahn]

not going to age well.

[Don La Greca]

So I think it really just came down to they looked at the physicals, and it just didn't work out. Let's quickly go to Eric on Long Island. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Eric?

[Caller Vinnie]

Thank you very much for taking my call. And I want to preface it by saying that I enjoy the show immensely. It's far superior to your competition on the other station. But I do have to take exception to your discussion of the Tisch matter. And I know you've moved on, so you can just file it away if you'd like. But I really do need to correct some misimpressions because it's almost insulting to your audience, Don, when you say that it's not even a crime if Mr. Tish. If Steve Tish had sex with an underage minor, that's a crime.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Alan Hahn]

They're specifically saying he didn't. I am.

[Don La Greca]

I am. I am talking about the information that we know. We know that he had a relationship with. All I'm saying. No, but I want to get it right, because if we found out that he was a pedophile, it's a different story. What I'm saying what. We know the facts.

[Caller Vinnie]

You don't have it right, Eric. You don't have it, Eric. You don't listen to me, Eric.

[Don La Greca]

I know that. But here's what we do know. We do know we had a. He had a relationship with Epstein. We know that because he emailed him five years after it was known that he was a sex offender. That we know. Fact.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right?

[Don La Greca]

Not a criminal act. Not anything that can get him suspended or forced on felon. Eric, you gotta listen, man. You got an issue. You got an issue. You don't listen. Listen to me. We know that for a. You're gonna go. Go. Because you're too ignorant to understand how to have a conversation with somebody. And if it means you go back to Carton, go have fun. I'm trying to have a conversation with you. You won't listen. Here's what we know. No means information that is in my brain and is fact that the email sent to Epstein was five years after it was common knowledge that he was a sex offender.

[Rich Eisen]

Fact.

[Don La Greca]

Other fact is that he was having relations with adult women through Epstein. How do we know that? Because he issued a statement saying they were talking about Adult women. The reason he issued the statement about adult women was he's defending himself against being a pedophile. So we know that Epstein supplied him with adult women and that he had a relationship with Epstein that we know as fact. That to me is all we can go by. That is not enough to be arrested. It's not enough to force him to sell the team. It's not enough to suspend him, but it's enough for me to say I'm grossed out by it. I hope he get he sells the team. And also everything else is speculation. If he said, oh, Epstein supplied me with 13 year olds in the email, goodbye, the NFL would have a lawsuit and he's done. That's not what we know. Just because you're in the Epstein file and just because you had a relationship with Epstein does not mean that you're a pedophile. It means it's in the conversation and it's something worth investigating. But in a court of law, it would get thrown out in two seconds. That just because you had a relationship with Epstein automatically.

[Alan Hahn]

And also what Don was trying to say to Eric, who cannot listen, can't

[Don La Greca]

listen, doesn't have the ability to.

[Alan Hahn]

Is also that information doesn't preclude Tish from having any sort of relationship with underage women. We don't know that. But Don's trying to say based on the information we know we have that's been provided. Also Eric, and this is what's frustrating about calls sometimes. Do you not hear us? All three of us are saying we're good on Tish, the Giants should move on.

[Don La Greca]

We're all on the same page and all. I mean, here's all that I get upset about. I don't mind disagreeing with people and just allow me to give some back and forth. You're talking over me. You're not listening to a word I'm saying. And if you listen to what I said, you wouldn't even have made the phone call because your point was something that was not said.

[Alan Hahn]

No one said that. And also, there's one other thing that's I think very. I've talked about this a lot on my other show and people really struggle with this. You have to understand when looking at the endless amount of Epstein files and things that are there, you have to understand what Epstein's role was, what he was trying to be. Epstein's entire existence was meant to ensnare people. That's what he did for a living. Got paid money by people to. To be a honey pot, find perverts. Drag them in and bring them down. He did so by being a pervert himself, throwing these parties, finding women, doing these gross things. However, he communicated with tons of people who didn't do anything. And he tried. If you read the emails, he's trying to ensnare them in the emails and some of them go, oh, you know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm good.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm busy that day. I can name. I'm not going to do it because who wants to have their names mentioned? I've read many people, sports people, owners, their assistants say sorry, they're not available to meet and they move on. But he's trying to ensnare people. That doesn't mean no one did anything bad, but it also means you can't look at it because the email exists. It means they did something. That's literally what he did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guilty by association.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what he did for a living.

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[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Don La Greca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Boo his ass fail you feel Don,

[Don La Greca]

boo his sorry ass. Cut his fat ass now. Don't stop booing him. Boo him. If I have faith in John Harbaugh, boo his ass.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was such a.

[Don La Greca]

And if John Harbaugh, who knows a lot more football than I do, cut his fat ass. Can see potential in Evan Neal. Boo his sorry ass. Who am I Just keeps going. Who am I to say he's wrong?

[Alan Hahn]

I guess no one.

[Don La Greca]

Now, listen, he did not play well. He did not live up to being the seventh overall pick in the draft. But I was talking about his response to the fans who booed him.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

What do you call them? Burger flippers? Hot dog flippers. He deserved every bit of heat that I threw at him. Don't stop booing them. I'd say it's an even split. My rant reactions. It's between Evan Neal and Ed Crane. And if we were doing a top 40, it's Evan Neal with a bullet. Jose Reyes is up there. But again, time heals all wounds. And now that Evan Neal is gonna stay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was that the thumbs down Ed Crane bull?

[Don La Greca]

You don't know the origin of Jose Reyes?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Reyes was not thumbs down.

[Don La Greca]

No, because that was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Reyes was about when someone called and compared we know Reyes incident, that he was accused of domestic assault to someone said, well, we don't know when we're cheering for the veterans, whether they've ever. When there are veterans in a game, if they get cheered. We don't know whether or not they've ever committed domestic violence.

[Don La Greca]

Theoretically, yeah, I even do something.

[Alan Hahn]

Don completely lost it. He said, but in the case of Reyes, we know.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So that's what happened, if you're wondering.

[Don La Greca]

But in all, again, I'm not happy to see Evan Neal back. He is not. He's been a bust.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, he's.

[Don La Greca]

But if the coach that we all love thinks I see something in him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Didn't they move him to guard?

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, they moved them to the bench. They moved him as inactive. The point is, as a Giant fan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

I don't root to be right for my Rand. I'm rooting that this waste of a pick, seventh overall.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a waste.

[Don La Greca]

I mean, come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

Not. I'm not talking about, you know, I'm not calling. I'm not calling out him as a human being. I'm saying, did they get value at 7? The answer is no. They didn't get value at 5 with Thibodeau. But if they can salvage them, well, then that makes it A little better, right? He's still here. Chance to maybe become good, turn him into something useful. So. That's all I'm saying. So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So who could you have gotten?

[Don La Greca]

Oh, dear God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did we do this?

[Don La Greca]

Tell me no, if we didn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You ready?

[Don La Greca]

God, let's hurt me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Drake London.

[Don La Greca]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pretty good.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Charles Cross. Believe he's got a ring, right? Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameis Williams, Jordan Davis, Kyle Hamilton. Well, you could really use a quality safety, couldn't you?

[Don La Greca]

Listen, you could have. Some of the people that you could have mentioned could have been cut and still be better picks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, these are all, these are all players that.

[Don La Greca]

No, I know. I'm just saying that on the board, the bar is very low. Okay. He has not worked out. But if John Harbaugh can save him, then I'm all for it. Now the question is, can he and his staff. We'll see. But if you were excited that John Harbaugh decided to come to the Giants, then you have to be excited about anything he tries to do. And if it's working, you're saying trust him. That's all I'm saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, first of all, you didn't sign him to, you know, 28 million a year. He's, he's on a one year. Probably approve it.

[Don La Greca]

Show me the. Show me contract.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's, it's. Let's see what we can do with you and figure it out. Let's see if we can get you right.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, this is coach of the year level stuff. Yeah, this, this is it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, if he gets him right.

[Don La Greca]

If the Giants go oh and 17 and Evan Neal is a Pro Bowler. John Harbaugh is a candidate for coach of the year.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to know how this is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Don Hahn]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Don La Greca]

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