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Hour 3: Giants v Dolphins & Damien Woody
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And for delivery.
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This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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That sounds like heaven to me.
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Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app. And your smart speakers got a new life on Seinfeld.
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This was right. This was the answering machine, right?
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Yes.
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Believe it or not, I'm not home.
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I'm not home.
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It was George and, you know, reinvigorated that song completely.
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Now, Peter, you might be too young to remember this, but Don, you might remember this. They used to sell. There was a commercial where they sold a cassette tape that you would put in your answering machine. It had all different song like parodies on answering. It had like. It had country, it had rap, it had all these things. And the famous one at the end of the commercial was when they all said, wait for the beep. And. And like, it was like 1999 for this cassette. It was unreal.
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I do remember that.
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Do you remember the guy who called us yesterday who apparently was the voice of.
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Yeah.
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Phone lines on television.
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That's different. That. That's a whole other situation.
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All right, so we promised it. It's five o'. Clock. Now. The big story of the day is probably the fact that the quest for John Harbaugh, or if you're Richard, you have a special pronunciation for the man's name. Incorrect. And I can't find it right now. But Harbaugh has gotten more difficult. Has gotten more difficult.
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Why is it more difficult?
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Because the Miami Dolphins job is now available and the Harbaugh family have connections to this organization. It seems like a very sexy destination where you can move down to south beach, bring in the GM that he wants and be nice and cozy.
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Now, Gary Myers had an interesting tweet that we can kick around for a minute before we get to call. Ready for this?
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Sure.
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Yes.
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It is sort of the Giants versus Dolphins. You know, this is the grudge match. The winner gets Harbaugh. He has Giants tradition. Excellent young quarterback in Jackson Dart. It's New York, core group of young talent, respected ownership, passionate and hungry fan base.
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There you go.
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GM fans not happy about seven victories last two years. Six miles from Broadway. Only Patriots have won more than Giants 4 Super Bowls since 1986. Dolphins owner likely willing to write a blank check. Can probably pick his gm. Former Ravens executive Chad Alexander for instance, no quarterback, great weather, great beaches, Joe stone crab. No titles since 1973. No playoff victories since 2000. Don Shula couldn't win a Super bowl in 13 seasons with Dan Marino. And Tyreek Hill is a headache. Those are the cases he makes for both franchises. Which one sounds more appealing now?
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We're all bias in some way, shape or form. At least I am because I'm a Giants fan. But the first question I had asked to you guys, does history matter? Like, all right, the Giants are a legacy franchise, more so than the Dolphins. Does that matter to John Harbaugh? Does it matter? They haven't won in a long time because he's going to come here thinking we're going to start winning. So what does it matter? What happened before I got there handling the media. Listen, Baltimore is not exactly New York, but it's not like people aren't paying attention. You're an NFL head coach. Your press conferences are on ESPN and NFL Network every single day. I mean, you've coached in a Super Bowl. You've coached in playoffs pretty much every year. So you've dealt with the media. You just can't line up the pros and cons and think they're all equal. Like, to me, the biggest thing is quarterback. You don't have a quarterback in Miami and the quarterback you do have, it's got concussion history. There's a lot of issues there. He was benched. So the Giants quarterback situation is better.
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Just to include the nuance in that. The Giants don't. We're not sure. Sure they have an absolute franchise quarterback, but what we know they have in Miami is a very sketchy, injury prone. Definitely doesn't look like the guy and you on the hook for a lot of money.
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Let me, let me rephrase it. If I go to Miami, I'm probably looking for the next quarterback. With the Giants, I at least have a quarterback. We'll see how far I can go with him.
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Correct.
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All right, so that's a box that's checked. The first thing he's going to do if he sits down to the desk in Miami is, all right, who's my quarterback in 2026? He knows the answer to that question with the Giants. So that favors the Giants. The other thing that favors Miami is the control or the perceived control that the Giants would not give him. All the other things, to me, that's just fodder. Like, honestly, if I'm, if I'm making a life changing decision, oh, well, Don Shula didn't win. There for 13 straight years. You think that's entering my thought process at all?
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No.
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Dan Marino couldn't win a Super bowl there. They haven't won a Super Bowl. And God knows I don't think he thinks that. You know, it's a franchise, a popular franchise. The fact that they haven't won sometimes can make it more attractive. Like, if I have success there, man, I'll be the guy that turned it around, see? But I'll be able to do what hasn't been done since Don Shula.
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But the beauty is that we are actually less biased than he is, because these football guys are insane, and they all think they can win a championship. See, but the beauty is everyone here, we've been watching football for more than 40 years.
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40.
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And we know the history does matter. And the likelihood of it getting turned around in Miami, in my opinion, is very low.
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But it's.
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It's been. It, guys. It's been a lot. They are. They are jets adjacent.
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Here. Here's. Here's the difference. The jets haven't won, at least in rent, recent vintage, is because of their owner, not because of a lack of money. Just he doesn't know what he's doing right. So if I go to the Jets, I'm gonna have to overcome that obstacle that my. My boss doesn't know anything about football. He's gonna go to Miami. That's not an issue. Like, he's gonna spend money there. I don't. I don't think that that's an obstacle that the jets are. I think the history of losing is only based on why have you lost. The reason the Dolphins have lost is because there's been a lot of, you know, bad decisions. Well, if I bring in my own general manager and I've got an over owner that's going to lay out and write checks when he needs to write them, then I don't have to worry about the history. I'm going to change the history because I'm going to have a gm and I'm going to have my own mind to fix all that. So even the history, Peter, I think, is kind of bogus if you know why the history exists.
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But, Alan, do you know what I'm saying? That even if you can point out why specifically, it's ownership versus something else. There are just certain teams where if you watch a lot of football, as we all do, you're just like, it's not going to happen. I just don't see it happening for Harbaugh, Miami. Not nearly as likely as I do here. And I hate that. I mean, the Giants are my opposition in the nfc.
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I've talked to many coaches in various professional leagues and they'll always tell you that previous like, but that's what I'm telling you. Success does not. It doesn't even come into the conversation. But that's why you walk in saying, but, but I didn't coach there.
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Correct, but that's why our opinion is more valuable than theirs. Well, I understand, because they're crazy. They go, I'll just go, work hard and we'll win. But I'm going, no, you won't.
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But that's your mentality, so you can't. But you understand, you're saying that. And I'm not saying you're wrong to believe that. But what I'm telling you is, though, is that when it comes to the decision of what, what is the best place or where do I want to go, they're not wondering, well, you know, this guy didn't win there, so how am I going to win there you go. You never think like that. Your ego is too big to believe that someone else's failure is going to equate to yours too. So instead you're looking at, what's the best situation for me? And having a guy with Raven's blood like you do, who knows what you want, that you trust him. Yeah, that might be the easier route than going to New York where they already have a gm And I don't know this kid, because if you have.
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Been very good, well, take a look at some of the coaches that bucked that trend and said, I'll turn it around. When Parcells went to New England, what history the New England have of winning? When Parcells went there, Very little. And then really since he got there and then handed it over to Bill Belichick, all they've done is win. What kind of history did New Orleans have when Sean Payton got there?
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None.
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And they turn around and win a Super Bowl. Right. So if you believe in yourself, you. You call it crazy. And in a lot of situations, Peter, you're right, it is crazy. It's self bravado, it's ego. But it's also, I know I'm not going to make the same mistakes the previous regimes made. And if they give me the chance, if that owner gives me the money and stays out of it, and which we don't know. Woody Wood. So there's a problem. I wouldn't want to go to the Jets. Woody Johnson's a problem.
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Agree.
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Miami won't Be a problem. I got a relationship with the owner. I bring in my own general manager. So those are the things that matter to me most. Not legacy, not anything else. Quarterback and how much will I be able to buy the groceries? And that's where the Giants have to really focus on how strong they want to stick to their history of owner hires the gm, the GM hires the. The coach, and that's the chain of command. Are they willing to part ways with Joe Shane if John Harbaugh comes in here and says, I want to bring in my own general manager? If do they want him bad enough to do that?
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That's. To me, I think that's the biggest question out of all this.
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And that's what it comes down to. And I really do believe, Peter.
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Yeah.
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That if the Giants tell John, listen, we'll hire whoever you want to be the general manager. He will choose the Giants.
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So let me just push back on one thing that you just said, because you made a lot of compelling points and I, you. You affected me. I've been impacted by those points.
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Movement.
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That's what we tried. There's some movement. But I will say that, you know, not that this makes a difference, but New Orleans and New England as the two best examples of organizations you thought of as. As garbage.
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Right.
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First of all, New England had had some remotely recent success before Belichick got there. Right, Right. They had a Super bowl appearance, two Super bowl appearances. Right. In the last 15 years before it happened.
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They had. They had. Well, I was talking about when Parcells got there. And that led to Belichick.
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That led to Belichick. Okay, got it.
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So when Parcells got there, they had the one mauling by the Bears as their super bowl appearance.
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Okay, you know what? That changes it a bit because Parcells is the good example. I was going to say Belichick and Peyton aren't the examples because they weren't the sort of veteran retread at the time that John Harbaugh is. But parcels is that Parcells in New England was the veteran retread and it was effective and at least then led to the next thing.
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I don't know is homegrown to Seattle. Seattle had never gone to a Super bowl and he took them there, didn't win.
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Homegren took them to the Steelers Super Bowl.
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Yes, it's a good one.
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That's a pretty good one.
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So that would be an established coach that went somewhere. They hadn't won. But I don't know if Seattle was a dumpster fire, but they had Never had that kind of success. I might listen, it's a good take. I just think that it's the same thing Michael used to always joke about this about, oh, well, Peyton Manning is going to sign with the Dolphins when he's a free agent because he's got a house down in Miami. I feel like sometimes we're trying to connect dots that really don't matter. I think the only two things that matter are controlling quarterback. Yep, the Giants have the quarterback over to the Dolphins, but right now the perception is the Dolphins have the control over the Giants, but the Giants can control that. For lack of a better word. They could change it and say, all right, well, Joe, you're out. Or Joe, you could stay, but John's got the final say. But you can do your scouting, you can continue to do all the things you're doing, but John's going to have the final say on personnel.
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And Don, that's the uncomfortable situation that's going to be whenever they do meet. Is that because Joe's going to be sitting there at the table? Is John really going to say, well, we really rather not have you, like, you know, like, what's this guy doing here? Keep him busy. Like, like, you know that it's just, that's the awkward conversation that someone else has to have with the agent. Right. Like that's what has to happen is you need. Harlan's got to be the one that decides whether or not that Joe can. I mean, you know he's going to want this job or not. John, like, that's what's going to matter. Not when they sit down. By then it'll be too late.
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Well, no, you're right because I think time is going to be of the essence by the time we get to next week. But here's the interesting thing to me because the easy answer is self preservation. But if Joe Shane's job is to find the next head coach of the Giants, is his motivation to find the next head coach that's going to keep me employed or to find the next head coach that's going to get the Giants to the promised land, even if that means costing me my power or costing me my job. Now, self preservation will say he's going to pick the guy that's going to keep him. But if your job is to find the best candidate, Alan, isn't the moral imperative to take the step back and say it's going to hurt me, but John Harbaugh is the best guy for the job. That's who I should. That's Who I should recommend to John.
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Yeah, it sounds great. I know exactly what you should do. You're right. And that, but that's a decision that's made by the marriage and the tissues.
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Because no matter what happens, there's the possibility that after this process is done, Joe's gone.
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Right.
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Like Joe doesn't know. Joe could pick the next guy thinking it's going to help him. He's got no 100% assurance of that.
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Let's, let's keep this conversation going with the people we got. Jay in Queens. What up Jay?
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Hi Jay.
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Hey, how you guys doing? So one thing I've noticed over the last, you know, couple of days since hardball got released is that the biggest criticism on him is that he hasn't been able to win with a two time MVP over, you know, over Lamar Jackson's career. However, the one thing I've noticed that consistently gets overlooked is Lamar Jackson has more turnovers in the playoffs than he does touchdowns. And for some reason it never gets brought up. Mark Andrews got destroyed for dropping that pass.
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Right.
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One thing about that game that gets overlooked a lot is Josh Allen had zero turnovers. Lamar Jackson had two.
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Yeah. And Harbaugh's won a Super bowl without Lamar and lamar never won one.
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And against the Chiefs they lost 17 10, Patrick Mahomes, zero turnovers, Lamar Jackson again, two. So there's only so much you can blame on the Coach when your 2 time MVP is not performing at that level in the playoffs.
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Jay, it's a great point. And the, the, the excuse has always been Mark Andrews dropped the ball that who was the white Hollywood Brown got hurt. Right. They had. It would always be an injury or offensive line issue. It was always something other than the quarterback play because you know, I mean he was, he really is a phenomenal quarterback. Yeah, but they would, it was always someone else's fault, you know what I mean? Like that. But Jay, Jay, you're not wrong with the numbers. Do tell the story. But it always has been someone else's fault. It's never really been on Lamar. In fact, people are almost like feeling sorry for Lamar because he wasn't able to get deeper into the playoffs, improve what he can do in the playoffs because it was always someone else that failed him. And the most recent was obviously Mark Andrews dropping a ball that looked very, very catchable.
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It's so crazy because.
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And a kicker missing a field goal.
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What do you say about Josh Allen? I mean there's a lot of good quarterbacks that haven't been able to Win a Super bowl or go to a Super bowl because of Patrick Mahomes. Right. There's only been one quarterback that's been able, you know, to beat him that's not named Tom Brady.
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Right.
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And he's in Cincinnati right now with like no hope of maybe ever doing it again. But that's why Lamar hasn't been able to win. That's why Josh Allen hasn't been able to win. There's some really good quarterbacks in the afc.
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Yeah, the AFC guys have not been able to get through other than Burrow, because nobody can get past the Chiefs.
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And the same thing happened when, when Brady was there. You know, think of all the good quarterbacks then that couldn't get over the hump. How many championships would Philip Rivers have if he didn't have to go, you know, deal with Tom Brady? How much more. How many more championships would Peyton Manning have had if you'd have to deal with New England and Tom Brady? Yeah, the afc, because I saw a stat. You're going to laugh, all right. But it's a fact that since 2008, this will be the first time that the AFC championship game will not have Mahomes, Brady or Sanchez.
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That stat would sound so much better if Sanchez wasn't in it.
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Well, if you want me to say it's the first time since 2011. Yeah, there hasn't been a chance. But you know, Sanchez did go to back to back championship games, so we're able to stretch it to 2008. But still, three quarterbacks have played, you know, one of the teams in the championship game.
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What was the. So what was that matchup then?
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In. In 2009 and 10.
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No, no, no. But before. So you just takes you back to 2008, right?
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2008. I'd have to. Cheese.
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God, I don't know.
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2008, Super bowl standby.
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What was that?
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That was Joe Flacco.
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Right.
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Was that. No, that's not Flacco. That's. Later Flat.
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Is that the aforementioned?
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So it's. It's Raven Steelers.
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Yeah, Raven Steel. So it would have been Raven Steelers. So it would have been Flacco, Roethlisberger.
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It was. Yeah, it was Flacco like you dream about. Yeah. Yeah, I was right. And. And that.
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It was.
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And Right. And. And Roethlisberger. So. Wow.
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There's been other. But I'm saying there's always been at least one of those three. If you go back to 2008, the.
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AFC quarterbacks have upgraded so much in.
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The last decade, but it's always. But you went from Peyton winning them all. Excuse me, Brady winning them all. To Mahomes winning them all. So there's been a lot of good quarterbacks that haven't been able.
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You know what, Don? I'll give you a better one.
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Here we go.
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You got to go back to 2007 before you had AFC. That was all those guys take out Sanchez and put in Roethlisberger. Because Sanchez played against Roethlisberger and Manning, right?
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Yes.
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So just, just take out Sanchez and put in Roethlisberger and now you go even further back. Do you like that one better?
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Well, because no Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was in the 2010 championship game against Sanchez.
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Right.
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Manning was in 2009.
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Right.
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So you couldn't go to 2008. You'd have to go. No, because you want to find multiple guys that made it multiple times and Sanchez made it twice.
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Oh, you're saying mo. Oh, it was multiple is the keyword. I thought you said you just, you can't, you can't go back. Like, there is no AFC championship game without any of these guys in until this, right? Oh, all right. I didn't really.
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You know, I bet, I bet if we think on it more, we can even come up with more crazy stats.
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Where would you bet that?
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Pick them all this year for the weekend.
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Oh, yeah, baby.
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D
I think pick them all.
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I think. What do you guys feel you want to do it? You should hope we pick them all Pete, of course.
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Well, that's why I don't want to, you know, I don't want to influence the decision because obviously it behooves me to play pick them all.
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I like it. Why not? There's not that many.
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Six.
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That's six a lot. Big deal.
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Six. And it's interesting. It's six. Right. But obviously we're going to pick some the same. And then we still have point allocation.
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Six.
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You still have.
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We're doing six point. We're doing six point plays. Did we do that last?
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Wait, do we do that or. We absolutely did 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. We did 6, 5, 4, three, two. So it's basically starting over again.
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This is daily. Well, technically, we were. Yeah, last year we were starting.
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We were starting over.
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But this could flip the script. Can't wait to tell Jarv. Hey, by the way.
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Yeah, Donnie. Don, you're the one. Don is the one who in theory would say, yeah, I'm good.
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D
Yeah, he might. Yeah. You have the right to veto this.
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B
No, I want to have some fun.
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D
That's a good.
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A
Open this thing up.
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B
Let's open it up.
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So that means on a given week where a yo yo like me, if I happen to have a different 6 and 5 than Don does and Don misses his 6 and 5 and I nail my 6 and 5, I have a chance to pick up like 10 points on Don on a weekend, which.
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D
Need more. Wouldn't you?
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Well, I got multiple weekends, buddy. Now the games go down a bit. That's the thing. Next week is only four games, correct?
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Yeah.
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So it makes this weekend insanity.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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A
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Oh man, it is Don Khan and Rosenberg on ESPN New York.
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D
Let's just go right over this one.
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Hold on.
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Don, you know this, right? Oh, yeah.
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I don't remember this one.
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Sexy Eyes. It's a good beat though, Pete, right?
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A
No, I like it. Who is it by? Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show.
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D
That sounds about right.
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A
By the way, that opening line was so creepy. Did he say I was watching people like make out with each other?
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D
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's. Yeah. Lyrics do border on no.
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A
Very creepy.
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D
But are you listening for the lyrics? Let's be honest, this is.
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A
I'm not listening, but I.
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D
The groove.
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A
But the groove is there. Real quick. Time for the Damien Woody Report, brought to you by bet365. And with that, we bring in Damien Woody.
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E
Damien.
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A
Happy New Year, my friend.
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G
Happy New Year, everyone. How you guys doing?
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A
Oh, man, we're fantastic. Talking to our guy. D. Wood, we got.
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D
How about Those Islanders? D. Wood. 9 Zip on the devils, boy.
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G
Man, like I haven't seen. I haven't seen that type of hockey from the islanders since I've been. Since I've been rooting for those guys. So they're playing a good brand. They're playing a good brand. I'm. I'm loving how they looking, man. So it's all good over here.
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A
Speaking of things you haven't seen.
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D
There you go.
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E
Oh, boy.
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G
Yeah, just. Just to shoot you down now. I haven't seen it yet.
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B
You may be sick. D. Honestly.
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G
Listen, I'm disgusted with myself right now. I'm disgusted with myself that I've let Don McGregor down in this moment of truth right now.
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A
It's really bad.
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G
I am. I am disgusted right now.
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B
Well, because I've known you for 20 years. All right. I'm not going to say we're particularly close, but we have known each other for a long time. And to disrespect somebody like this, especially on the air.
- [26:48]
A
Oh. In front of his family.
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B
It. It's. It really hurts, buddy. But I'm not going to let you up, man. I'm not going to be like, forget it. I'm going to ask you every week.
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D
Don't take this from him. This is a guy who didn't even you d. Wood. I got him a Christmas gift. He hasn't used it yet.
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B
Relax, all right?
- [27:02]
D
Work related Christmas gift.
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G
Hypocritical.
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D
So don't take it from him.
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G
He's being hypocritical.
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D
That's right.
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A
No, this is different. This is way different because we're trying to give you something that. Like what Alan gave Don. It's a nice little useful something for work.
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D
Incredibly useful.
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A
What we're trying to give you with Napoleon Dynamite. It's life changing. You know, we're trying to give you joy with you and your family. I mean, that's irreplaceable. It is good times with the family now.
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G
But.
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A
But you still have time. You still have time. I think you're stuck with us through the entire NFL season.
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G
Yes, yes, I have. Yes, I have. Time. I have. Time is on my side right now.
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A
So speaking of the NFL season, what is your level of excitement for this weekend? I happen to think it's a killer slate with like particularly probably two or three that I absolutely cannot wait for. Where are you at excitement wise for this bracket?
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G
I'm loving it. I'm loving it. I mean, listen, now that we got the regular season over with, now we get that. Now we get down to the nitty gritty. I mean, I'm loving the slated Gaines a couple of games that I'm really, really, really intrigued with the Jacksonville, the Jacksonville game with Buffalo. I think that is going to be intriguing. I think for most of the country probably hasn't seen Jacksonville play. Jacksonville is for real. Jacksonville is legit. They're very good on both sides of the ball. Trevor Lawrence is, is on a heater right now. I think the Jack, the Jags are on the eight game winning streak and they're going up against Josh Allen. And everyone we've been saying, you know, if not now, then win for Josh Allen. So that's a great game. And I love our Monday night game, Pittsburgh against Houston. Like that Houston defense, they could ride that thing all the way to the super bowl the way those boys play on the defensive side of football. So we got some really good games coming up this weekend.
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B
Yeah, it's really fascinating. And the other thing too is in the nfc, I keep looking at the Rams and the Eagles because the Stafford and Hertz. When you have the parody that you have at this level, Woody, how big is it to get experience like you have with Stafford and Hertz?
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G
Oh, it's huge. It's huge. I mean, you're talking about two guys, if, you know, two guys that are super bowl winners. I mean, so that, you know, when you talk about parody and team new, new, what I call new blood in the, you know, in the tournament, a lot of new faces. It's, you know, you can't understand. I can't understate, you know, the, the veteran, the veteran presence. The quarterbacks that have been in these situations, been there, done that on the highest of stages. Obviously both of those guys win the Super Bowls. And that's why I think a lot of people, you know, talk about the Rams as being the, you know, kind of the favorites come out of the nfc and obviously you can't dismiss the champs in the Philadelphia Eagles.
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D
So can we get to it? Let's just get to it. The John Harbaugh of it all. First of all, your level of surprise. Second of all, if it's Miami or the Giants, which way?
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G
First of all, I wasn't surprised. I figured the winner, the loser of that game, there was going to be a change made either with Baltimore or with Pittsburgh. And obviously, you know, Baltimore went down with that missed field goal. And you know, listen, at the end of the day, man, it's, you know, John Harbaugh has been in Baltimore. He's done some really good things. Been there, I think 18 years at some point, point, man, you know, NFL is not for long. And to Be able to be with that organization for that, that period of time. And, and when you. We've constantly talked about over the last few years how Baltimore probably has the best roster, but they couldn't get over the hump. And it culminated into this moment, obviously, with Baltimore not making the playoffs and they're making a move. Not surprising if I'm picking. You said, between the Giants and what other team?
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B
Dolphins.
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G
Me, personally, Yeah, I think, like, I think the Giants. You got a quarterback in place, like, that is such a big, big part of the, you know, equation is getting the quarterback in place. Miami, like, two is done, two is done. They're gonna have to eat the cap, which is going to be a big, big thing. And I know some people talk, well, it's not a big deal. Salary cap is going up. We've seen the Denver Broncos ECAP space and look how they've done. But, you know, there's a lot of work that has to be done down in Miami.
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D
Now.
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G
He might want the kick the clean slate with Miami and be paired with the general manager of his liking, but I want. I'd rather have the quarterback. Give me the quarterback and the pieces that the Giants have at their disposal right now.
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D
Well, there's also something to think about when it comes to the Giants in a coaching situation. You just mentioned it. Whoever was going to lose that game was going to lose their coach. But if Pittsburgh loses this weekend, Mike Tomlin becomes available. Would you rather, you know, you're still going through the process. If you're the Giants, is it, you know, would you go all in for Tomlin then? Is or is Halbaugh still the guy that would be the leader in the clubhouse? Who would be the bigger candidate if both guys now become available?
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G
Oh, man. Like you, you're asking me to choose between the two. That's a tough one. But I would like, if, if Mike Tomlin were available, I would lean Tomlin. I would lean Tomlin. I just think Tomlin is the, like, creme de la creme, you know, if you were to become available, you know, he would jump. He would jump up to the number one spot for me. So, like, I like, it still would be hard for me to fathom Mike Tomlinson, you know, being out even if they lose. Because this matchup against Houston is not a really. It's not a good matchup for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And if they, you know, if they do lose this game, I just, I just, I don't see Mike Tomlin being out yet. I thought if, if it was Going to happen. It would have happened if the Pittsburgh Steelers had lost last week.
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A
Now, now what if they were, Is there any like, nuance there? What if they get blown out by Houston, like they're really not in the game and just, and just get waxed at home?
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G
I mean, listen, you know, this is the NFL and anything can happen. But you also gotta understand it's the Rooney family. They're, they're maybe the most patient owners in the National Football League. Hell, they've only had three coaches in the history of their franchise. So, you know, if you're gonna make a move like that, you know, maybe they feel like, you know, we're, we're a six time super bowl winning franchise. We maybe we need someone to, to take us to the next level. That could always happen. I keep pointing back to, you know, Andy Reid. You know, he had all that success in, in Philly and ultimately didn't get it done there and then, you know, moved over to Kansas City and we've, we've all witnessed the amount of success he had with achieve. So, you know, in this day and age, you never know what an owner is thinking and that could play itself out if this game just, you know, turns into an ugly ordeal for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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B
Damian, is there a scenario where you could see McDermott lose his job in Buffalo?
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G
You know, I think that's a great question and I think, and you know, that's something that you had to consider. I will say this though. I think that, you know, we talk about McDermott. How about Brandon Bean? I like the roster in Buffalo. It's just not impressive how many times, every game we talk about with Buffalo, Josh Allen has to put on his cape. Why does he have to put on his cape? Because who does he have to throw the damn ball to? Outside of Dog Kincaid, he had nobody. Like you look at Buffalo, their roster is just not, you know, all that great. And so yeah, we could look, we could look at Sean McDermott, but I would take a harder look at the GM and Brandon bead and his acquisition of talent up there.
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D
That's two boys, right? Booger said the same thing yesterday. D. Wood, when we brought up McDermott, he's like, look more at the roster. And he was the exact thing you said. He said. So you guys are all seeing the same thing, right? There's just, there's not enough talent there. And the roster was good at one point. Like again, when they went toe to toe with the Chiefs that year, that seemed like the best that roster was going to be. You know, Diggs obviously just couldn't behave himself and couldn't, couldn't get along for whatever reason. They have gone, their defense has lost some key pieces. They have not replaced some guys. This has been more of a roster issue than it has been anything else. So maybe that's really where they look, you know, instead of that's what I.
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G
Would do, that's what I would do. I mean, the roster has slowly been deteriorating over the years and they, they've asked more and more of Josh Allen to, you know, shoulder the load and obviously, listen, they got James Cook. James Cook is the, you know, ended up being the NFL rushing leader and their offensive line is, is pretty good. But again, in, in a, in a passing league, they don't have any passing, no threats on the outside, you know, and their defense is nowhere near what they was a couple years ago. So again, you know, we can criticize Sean McDermott for the amount of times he's been in these situations, to come up short. But I will look at the GM and how this roster is constructed.
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A
Trying to decide. D. Wood what I'm most excited for. We have, we're doing a little thing that we like to call Pick them all this weekend where we are picking every single of all six playoff games. Normally we only do three. If you were to be loading six points, we allocate points to each game. What would be your six point pick this weekend? Who is the team you are most confident in? Wild card weekend.
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G
Team I'm most confident in. Boy, that's a good one.
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A
And for example, if you say the Rams, that's great, but they got to cover the 10 and a half.
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G
Who's playing? The Carolina Panthers.
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A
That's the LA Rams.
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D
That'd be the Rams.
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A
And it's a, it's a ten and a half road game. It's a ten and a half road game.
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G
Hey man, like they getting Devonta Adams back? Like, look, man, the Carolina Panthers, they backdoored into the postseason. I know they get in the home game, they beat them. They beat them earlier this year. But it's hard to beat somebody twice in the same season. And I just, I don't see it happening. I'm just, I think the Rams gonna go down there and just handle business convincingly.
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A
This go around, you think I'm crazy for being extremely confident in the Patriots at home?
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G
Not at all. Like the Patriots are very well coached, man. Like they're not the super flashiest of teams, but they're very well coached. Their quarterback has been, you know, Obviously, I think, you know, he's going to get a lot of votes for MVP this year. The defense is good. They got good running games. So the Pacers are one of those teams that they don't beat themselves, man. Like, you're going to have to go and beat them, and they're playing at home. So good luck with that.
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D
We all know you just shouldn't beat yourself. So, D. Wood, let's go from one of your former teams to another. Our good friend Stephen A. Smith really took it to the jets the last couple of days about the condition and the state of the franchise and basically saying, if you're a quarterback, a college quarterback, and the jets are going to pick you, you should say no and stay in school. Garrett Wilson went to social media to fire back and did so kind of defending the franchise. And, you know, the idea of the jets being a laughingstock, which, I mean, the history is there, it's proven. So what Stephen A. Said is not technically wrong. But I'm looking at it more of Garrett Wilson seeming like he's ten toes down. Do you see that as something that might be a mild surprise and maybe a pleasant surprise that Garrett would be this vocal in speaking up for a franchise that has taken a lot of hits when you would consider that he might be a guy to be like, get me out of here. But instead he's defending it?
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G
No, I'm not surprised at all, because look who wasn't traded. You know, the organization had an opportunity, you know, to trade, you know, any one of these guys, right? Look who they trade away and look who they kept. That tells you what the organization feel about, you know, certain players. And Garrett Wilson, to me, is a. Is a franchise, you know, cornerstone type of player because he has the right mentality. I think he's a guy that hates to lose. And I. I know he's, you know, done a lot of losing in New York, but he's the type of guy that you build around, you know, with. With the Jets. And I gotta say, I think Stephen. Stephen A. Was absolutely wrong. Listen on it, just a laughing start, no question about it. And that's of their own doing. But to sit here and say that a quarterback, if you're, if you got an opportunity to be picked in the top two to stay in school, that's just a dumb take. That's a dumb take. Like the amount of money that, that you're going to be paid, like, you have to come out. If you're. If you're, you know, a quarterback, that's probably going to get picked in the top two. Doesn't make any sense because the only place you can go is what down if you go back to school.
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A
Damian, besides the fact that you completely and utterly show no regard for Don's taste in film, we love talking to you every week and we look forward to next week when you also haven't seen Napoleon Dynamite.
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B
Right. Enjoy your movie.
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G
I'm not going to disrespect Don McGregor anymore.
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B
Thank you.
- [40:39]
G
I'm going to make sure I come with the receipts next week so we can put this all behind.
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B
Please do yourself a favor. It's a good movie.
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A
All right.
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G
All right. God. Take it easy, man.
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A
Enjoy the weekend, buddy. You know he can't watch this weekend. He's got six games to watch.
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D
There's no chance he's watching it.
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A
He's got college football playoff today and tomorrow. He's got six. That's not happening.
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B
No. Now, Ian o' Connor with a very interesting tweet I want to break down when we come back.
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A
Oh, a teaser. Rooney. By the way, that Damian Woody report was brought to you by bet365. Sure. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at bet365.
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D
Never is.
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H
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C
Experts thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
- [44:34]
A
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [44:35]
C
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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F
You're lonely. She's waiting.
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B
Call now.
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A
Shuffle.
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B
Have you seen the Ian tweet?
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A
I've not. I've been waiting with baited breath. I took my pants off.
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D
It's very.
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A
And I'm just sitting here waiting.
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D
It's very. Prove it. Stand up.
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A
I can't.
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B
Interesting. There's pills for that. Kevin Stefanski indeed. Described as very Impressive guy. After meetings with Giants front office ownership and various department heads. But in the wake of the Miami opening, Giants are said to still be very confident they'll get John Harbaugh in the building next week. We shall see. So I'm reading it and I'm like, oh, they're still very confident. They get up now, they're just confident.
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D
They'Re going to get an interview in the building. So we'll get them to come here. But we. That's where the confidence stops.
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B
Which tells me nothing because I'm sure he's still going to do his due diligence and talk to other people. But it kind of went from, not that the Giants ever said, we're confident we're going to get them, but when I'm reading the tweet, I'm thinking, okay, we're still confident we're in the running. No, we're just confident he's going to show up for his meeting.
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A
Yeah, that's not. That's not three.
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B
Yeah, it didn't feel great.
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A
Did you guys, did you guys ever look at the silly graphic I sent to our chat that showed a picture of the uprights in the Pittsburgh Baltimore game? And yes, to the left of the field goal of the goal post, it said Harbaugh fired. No, no, hold on. Who was kicking the field goal? Baltimore was to the left, Harbaugh fired. If it was between the uprights, Tomlin fired. If it was to the right, Harbaugh fired. Do you believe that to be true? If Baltimore wins, that hits that kick, is that it for Tomlin in Pittsburgh? And we're talking about, can we get Mike Tomlin here?
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B
Yes.
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A
I wonder if it was that simple.
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B
Well, think about it. They went on that little run after the fire, Tomlin chance, but they were what held to like what, three point, didn't score a touchdown in Cleveland and then you lose at home in a winner take all game. Yeah, I feel like he'd be gone now. Is it possible that then Harbaugh loses to Houston and he's also out? Yeah, I think that's also a possible scenario. I think both were on shaky ground.
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A
I think my prediction is now that we know how fast they moved on from Harbaugh, I think Harbaugh may have been on shakier ground than Tomlin is. Well, particularly for one. For one reason, and that's Lamar Jackson who's clearly out on Harbaugh. Whereas in Pittsburgh, the only option they have a quarterback is a 42 year old legend who loves Tomlin. So it's a different situation. Harbaugh, there's something I wonder when that frayed. But you could, you guys could tell from the question asked about Lamar Jackson to the video he posted the day after Harbaugh was relieved of his duties where he like showed him walking down the hallway and playing some upbeat song that Lamar Jackson no longer had any love for John Harbaugh.
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B
Well, maybe it just came down to, you know, they're both feeling the heat for not having won in a while and this is a way of showing that's not my fault.
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A
At least for the moment. Because then guess what, the pressure then gets ratcheted up on Lamar next year.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So you only have this off season to enjoy the. See, it's not me. Because by the time you get to the end of training camp, everyone's now going to be looking at Lamar like, hey, so is this now you're now going to take us to the promised land. Right.
- [48:16]
B
But we had a caller earlier that I thought was spot on about the fact, if you take a look, statistically, he doesn't seem to be the same quarterback in the postseason as he is in the regular season. Now he is the only. I don't know if it's quarterback or just MVP overall, like two time MVP to not play in a Super Bowl. I mean, that is kind of odd. So is that on him? Is that his coach? Well, his coach did go to a Super bowl with Joe Flacco and won it. So if it becomes that, you know, Belichick, Brady, who needs who more?
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D
Yeah.
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B
You know, right now it feels like, you know, Lamar probably needs John more. But we'll see. You're right. Next year they get another coaching here and they win the super bowl. Then it'll be like Brady, hey, look at it. I just need to get rid of my coach.
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A
Have you guys ever seen like in one of these debates and obviously there's never been, that I know of. There's never been a debate as sort of hotly contested as this one on this kind of subject as between Brady and Belichick. Have you ever seen someone win more decisively and spike the ball more than Brady's beaten Belichick?
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B
Well, it shows you how important it is to these quarterbacks. Right. That they get their fair share of.
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D
Well, the reason it's the life after and who's. Who's kind of done more after not.
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A
Well, not only done more, the split one goes to Tampa Bay.
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D
Yeah.
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A
And wins a Super Bowl.
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D
Yeah.
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A
The other one literally is now floundering and Embarrassing themselves.
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D
Yeah. Well, no, think about it.
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A
It's not aged well.
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D
Not only just won a Super bowl in Tampa, became an owner, became a broadcaster, has developed into a good broadcaster, has a brand new. Has become very, very respectable. Like, admire all the stuff that he's done, has become a personality. It's. Since the divorce. He's had the better life. There's no question.
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A
Except for his divorce.
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E
But.
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A
Yes.
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D
You know what I mean?
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A
With the.
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B
With the.
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D
I mean, is he really.
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A
Yeah, I'm sure he's fine. No, I think he's doing just fine.
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D
But sure he's doing okay.
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A
But the. And let's not forget, came up short of the super bowl, decides to come back, then wins the Super Bowl. Yeah, you know, it's like, like, yeah, he just looks fantastic.
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D
And Belichick, watch. Watch the Raiders. He's gonna be very hands on.
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A
Although I just. You do always. I always have to remember that ownership, upper management and ownership for former players is a different animal. You know, like, one of my. One of my points of pride with Larry Bird was how good he was.
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B
Yeah.
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A
As upper management.
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D
Well, coach, but even post coach.
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A
Right.
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D
Really good as a coach.
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A
No, really good as a coach. And there are a lot of players who can't transition to that.
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D
Well, think about it.
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A
Larry did it all. Larry did coach and upper management and did it all.
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D
Magic tried and couldn't come near.
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A
Come near. And Michael was a complete disaster.
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B
Gretzky was not good. There's a lot of. It's hard.
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A
Mario's been damn good. Mario had a hell of a run.
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D
Mario gets it, though. Like, I feel like that.
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A
I feel, you know, it's just my childhood heroes, they are the only ones who get it.
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B
And then, you know, Ozzie Newsom, hall of Fame tight end, and he's been a great general manager. Now, I don't know how. Lynch was a really good player, but he's been a great general manager.
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A
He was a solid player.
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G
Very good.
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A
Yeah, very good.
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B
Now it's that thing we're like, coaching wide. The problem, I always hear, like, I heard it with Gretzky, like, they don't know why they're great, and they just can't explain how to do things well.
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A
And if other people aren't the exact level of psychotic lunatic that they are, they don't respect.
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B
Yeah, I remember, Allen, I was talking to Chico the other day, and he was like, billy Smith, because he backed up Billy in those championships. And Billy would do things and think the game, and Chico would like, how did you do that, Billy. I really don't know.
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D
I just did it.
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A
He could not.
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B
He could not put into words how he figured out how to do things. He's like, that's what happens with the great ones. And that's why they can't usually coach or be an upper man, because it just. They can't. Then they expect players to be as good as they were, and most players aren't. And then they get frustrated. Yeah.
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A
For some reason, Michael Jordan and Kwame Brown just couldn't identify with each other.
- [52:23]
B
Yeah, that was a bad pick.
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A
No, it didn't work great. Turned out to be an entertaining guy. We found out 20 years later.
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D
@ least the Wizards have Trey Young.
- [52:31]
A
Now. Well, let's look. You know.
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B
What? Good tease for the nation.
- [52:34]
A
Now. Good tease for Ian. Game time brought to you by Tullamore Do Irish Whiskey when it's game time, it's Tully.
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D
Time. It sure.
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A
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C
Responsibly. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg.
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A
Podcast. I don't want to know how.
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D
The sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's.
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C
Good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers before we.
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H
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