Hour 3: Happy Soto

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Happy Soto

ESPN New York
September 3, 2025

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Overview

This episode centers on Juan Soto’s resurgence with the Mets, debunking media narratives about his supposed unhappiness, and dissecting the psychology and leadership roles of modern sports stars in New York. Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg navigate fan perspectives, contract debates, and the Mets-Yankees rivalry, weaving in playful debate and classic banter. They also touch on the Jets' persistent injuries, All-Star roster nostalgia, and—of course—a liberal dose of New York sports talk irreverence.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Juan Soto’s Mood, Performance, and Perception

[00:52–17:14]

• Narrative Debunking: The hosts vigorously challenge the notion, circulated especially during Soto’s early-season struggles, that Juan Soto was regretful or unhappy being with the Mets instead of the Yankees.
• Performance Equals Happiness: The crew agrees that Soto’s public demeanor tracks directly with his personal performance, not his team’s. When he’s hitting, he’s happy, regardless of wins or losses.
  • Peter Rosenberg [01:48]: "He might go 40 for 40... he's raking in September exactly when the Mets needed him... All the conversation that we had about miserable contract, hates being a Met, wishes he was a Yankee... Can we stop...?"
  • Alan Hahn [07:08]: "[Players] are professionals who get paid a lot and keep score themselves. They're not on a high school team... They want to play well."
• Transition & Adjustment: Analysts compare Soto’s adaptation to New York with host transitions (e.g., show changes), arguing struggles are part of high-pressure environments, not necessarily reflective of regret.
  • Don Hahn [05:03]: "Some guys are like that. That's a real thing, though."
• Team Chemistry & Leadership: The discussion moves to the difference between stars who are “leaders” and those who focus on individual contribution.
  • Don Hahn [10:03]: "He's not a leader. He's not that kind of [player]... it was him missing his numbers, him feeling like I'm not playing up to the way I want to play."
  • Peter Rosenberg [13:59]: "He could become a leader... but he's not a leader now because he's only been here for like five minutes."
• Comparing Yankees Era: Hosts compare Soto’s first few months to those with the Yankees, stressing that payroll, not team, was always the deciding factor.

2. Star Power, Leadership Styles, and Media Facades

[15:13–16:29, 19:15–22:23]

• Judge vs. Jeter vs. Soto: Lively banter on the public personas of Aaron Judge and Derek Jeter. Hosts note how Judge presents a corporate, PR-polished front, whereas Soto is less capable/willing to “fake it.”
  • Don Hahn [15:06]: "He is a PR firm representing the Yankees."
  • Alan Hahn [13:36]: "What he's not is Aaron Judge, who will put up this front..."
• Jeter’s "Right" to Be Cliché: One caller argues Jeter’s earned cliché answers through championships, unlike Judge.
  • Caller [18:21]: "Jeter got the... right to sort of give you nothing because of how well he played..."
• Athlete Emotion and New York Media: The hosts debate how much player emotion should matter and how it is interpreted by both fans and media professionals.

3. Roster and Team Dynamics: Mets, Yankees, and Beyond

[08:12-09:02, 16:29–17:14, 31:10–32:43]

• Yankees Outfield Logjam: The future for Trent Grisham and others amid a crowded outfield is debated ("good problem to have").
  • Don Hahn [08:22]: "One guy had a resume... year after year. The other guy has never done this."
• Leadership Beyond the Stars: Discussion on Starling Marte as a respected leader despite losing playing time to Soto, and the value of "glue guys."
  • Peter Rosenberg [31:36]: "There's just something about Starling Marte... as a leader, like, that's a leader."

4. Jets' Injury Frustrations: "Optimism Is a Curse"

[34:04–36:08]

• Elijah Vera-Tucker’s Injury: The familiar agony of Jets fans as key guard AVT is (again) likely out for the season.
  • Don Hahn [34:23]: "The spring suddenly engages and just pushes you right off the chair and right into the wall of nails..."
• Curses and Continuity: Framing the Jets' struggles as a near-fatalistic tradition, with depth and luck (or lack thereof) chronicled.

5. Listener Q&A: Eats, Takes, and Nostalgia

[32:52–49:50]

• Best Pizza Near Barclays Center [32:52–33:51]: Multiple recommendations including Patsy’s, Grimaldi’s, and Juliana’s—interspersed with banter about Brooklyn’s pizza credentials.
  • Don Hahn [33:32]: "It's a New York slice... Every slice in Brooklyn's great, so that's not true."
• All-Star Game Rosters [45:45–48:41]: Caller proposes ranking greatest all-star lineups; hosts indulge in NBA and NHL all-star nostalgia, comparing stacked lineups from the late ‘90s.
  • Don Hahn [46:47]: "[NBA East 1998]: That's Reggie, Penny Hardaway, Sean Kemp, Grant Hill, Dikembe Mutombo... West: Shaq, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Karl Malone, Kobe Bryant..."

6. Signature Banter & Classic Moments

[26:14–32:43 & 41:28–49:50]

• Comic Car Tangent: Hilarious riff on 1980s music videos, car-sex jokes, and literalism run amok.
  • Peter Rosenberg [26:38]: "If a car can get a woman pregnant, she would have had twins."
  • Alan Hahn [27:02]: "It's not like... well, it went so well. The twins happened."
• Hosts Mocking Each Other’s Takes: Running gag about interrupting or stomping on each other’s points, showcased in the All-Star roster chat.
  • Peter Rosenberg [47:21]: "Why is everybody just taking turns destroying people's takes on the show?"

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Soto’s “glum” narrative:
  • Peter Rosenberg [01:47]: "Where are you? Now all of a sudden he's all smiles. Why? 'Cause he's hitting and he wasn't hitting before."
  • Don Hahn [03:51]: "It was a lot of that. The fact that the Mets were winning and he was the one guy that didn't seem to be having any fun."
• On player motivations:
  • Alan Hahn [07:07]: "These are professionals who get paid a lot and keep score themselves... They want to play well."
  • Don Hahn [10:41]: "The guy really doesn't care about much more than his money and his numbers."
• On star leadership:
  • Peter Rosenberg [13:59]: "He could become a leader... but he's not a leader now because he's only been here for like five minutes."
  • Don Hahn [15:05]: "[Judge is] a PR firm representing the Yankees."
• On being a Jets fan:
  • Don Hahn [34:23]: "The spring suddenly engages and just pushes you right off the chair and right into the wall of nails."
• Comic exchange – car pregnancy joke:
  • Peter Rosenberg [26:38]: "If a car can get a woman pregnant, she would have had twins."
  • Alan Hahn [27:02]: "It's not like... well, it went so well. The twins happened."
• Caller shade on Jeter/Judge:
  • Caller [18:21]: "Jeter got the... right to sort of give you nothing because of how well he played... He has the right to be a PR machine. Judge doesn't have that right."

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Timestamps for Core Segments

• Juan Soto’s mood/performance/narrative: 00:52–17:14
• Star leadership persona debate: 15:13–16:29, 19:15–22:23
• Mets/Yankees roster, leadership in clubhouse: 08:12–09:02, 16:29–17:14, 31:10–32:43
• Jets’ injuries and pessimism: 34:04–36:08
• All-Star nostalgia, In-show Take Critique: 45:45–49:50
• Comedy & banter (car-sex jokes): 26:14–32:43

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Original Tone & Show Personality

The Don, Hahn & Rosenberg “voice” is alive throughout—sharp, playful, and hyper-local. The hosts riff, interrupt, mock, and challenge each other and callers, keeping the tone brash but inviting. Their sincerity on player psychology is countered by show-stealing comedic bits, impromptu listener advice (pizza, et al.), and affectionate jabs at New York sports fandom’s eternal anxieties.

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Summary

This episode is a quintessential slice of New York sports radio: a passionate, unfiltered, and often hilarious exploration of player narratives, fan psychology, leadership in the locker room, and the relentless drama of local teams. Juan Soto's September tear sets the stage for debates about media narratives, locker-room culture, and what motivates star athletes at the highest level. Interspersed with these debates are memorable bursts of humor, nostalgia, and practical advice, making for a compelling, must-hear hour for any New York sports fan.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

Where are you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now he's not going to have a Soto type season, but you know what he might do, guys? He might go 40 for 40. He's got 27 stolen bases. He's never had more than 12 in his career. I don't think he'll get to 40 stolen bases. He's definitely gonna get the 40 home runs. So 40, 30 ain't nothing either. So he goes, oh, he's only batting.256. So what he's gonna finish with over 40 home runs. He's raking in September exactly when the Mets needed him to do it. So I'm just curious and I don't want to get on Michael, but Michael had the whole where he reported the Bob Clappish thing that people, people at the Mets Told him, remember that fateful day, Mets, Yankees. He went to the ballpark at 8:30, was talking to some Met people. He's glum. Was the pro. Michael brought it up today on the show. He's like. And he's standing by the fact that he was glum and he was saying that he was glum because he was making the transition, going to a new. No, he was glum because he wasn't hitting. This is a guy that's used to doing well and he wasn't doing well. So he was glum because he, the team was winning. He wasn't contributing to the winning. So he probably felt disappointed himself. Guess what? Yesterday, Bill, nothing but smiles on his face, you know, talking about how close he is to Sterling Martin and Sterling Marte. He, he's, he now loves being a Met. No, he never, never didn't like being a man. He just was miserable because he wasn't living up to the expectations and now he is. That's all it was. But I'm just kind of curious. All the conversation that we had about miserable contract, hates being a Met, wishes he was a Yankee. Now all of a sudden he's all smiles. Why? Cuz he's hitting and he wasn't hitting before. It's as simple as that. So can we stop the whole narrative that he regretted coming here and I don't know how it's going to age. Maybe it'll be a bad contract. There's 14 years left on it and we'll see. Does he hit in the postseason and all that? But it's just interesting to me. Allen, is it much of a leap that now he's all happy because he's hitting and he was miserable when he wasn't hitting? Doesn't it make sense that you, you would be miserable when you're not doing your job well? That it had nothing to do with being a Met. It had nothing to do with missing being a Yankee.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it was, it was a lot of that. And I think what was probably the most concerning thing was the fact that the Mets were winning. And he was the one guy that didn't seem to be having any fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

While the Mets got off to a good start. And so that was something right away that was. Look at him. He's not really assimilating well. He, he's only locked. He's only focused on the fact that he's not hitting, not on the fact that his team's winning. And that's what also to me tells you all you need to know about him is. And there's a lot of players like this in sports. They're really good players, but they don't give a rip about the team's success if they're not successful or part of that success. That's a real thing, Don. And so he was caught up in himself and not loving life because he wasn't putting up numbers. He wasn't part of the winning. He wasn't. He wasn't part of the offense. He wasn't contributing to success. So that when the Mets were losing, and yet he was starting to come around and starting to hit, why did it seem like he was fine, the Mets were losing, he wouldn't look glum, did he?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don Hahn]

No. You know why? Because he was hitting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was hitting.

[Don Hahn]

I'm doing my job. And some guys are like that. That's a real thing, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just think that that's doesn't make.

[Don Hahn]

Him a bad guy. It's just a real thing that you need to acknowledge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You had a transition coming to the show. What does it matter?

[Don Hahn]

It's, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was actually, in the parlance of.

[Don Hahn]

Our time, I was not glum, but I, you know, there is still an awkward face.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but, but you were killing it. But let's say you weren't. And you had a couple of bad shows. I'm sure you would have taken that home. It would have bothered you. You would have seen miserable because you wanted to leave an impression with the new show. A lot of, a lot of people listening and you nailed it. But if you didn't, I'm sure you would have been depressed and it wouldn't be like, I regret going there. I wish I stayed with Bart. No, it was the, it was, it was, hey, I, I'm struggling. I'm going to figure it out.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And, and that's all that. Soto was like. He signed a 15 year contract coming to the Mets. Expectations were high and he wasn't performing well. And I never, I never understood. You're a Yankee fan. You got everything. You pivoted very well. All right, Goldschmidt, now, not so much. But at the time, Goldschmidt was hitting. Bellinger's been great. He had all this money for Freed. Who's the difference? Where would this team be without Max Freed?

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the conversation at the time, there were a lot of people who were like, I didn't want to bring Soto back. We took the phone calls. He's too much money. I'd rather pivot to something else. And then all of a Sudden, Soto is struggling. And why were Yankee fans so caught up in that? If you pivoted and you didn't care, then why were you so caught up in it?

[Don Hahn]

You know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But. But that's all. I'm trying to get the admission that, listen, the Mets were living in your head for a little bit. You may not want to admit it, but it was, hey, the Mets got something that you probably wanted and you had a narrative that he was miserable and all that, and people ran with it. And even Michael today, like, still, he was glum. Like, are you reporting something? Like, you can split an atom. Of course he's glum. He was struggling.

[Alan Hahn]

I just want to be clear. I'm a yo, yo. I said that the entire. Every day we talked about. He said he's not playing well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why?

[Alan Hahn]

He's not 8. I'm sorry. These are professionals who get paid a lot and keep score themselves. They're not on a high school team going, our dream is just to win states. These guys want to play well. It's early in the year. You think he cares a lot if they have a good record early in the year. And he's playing like garbage. So that whole I love Michael to death, and I'm not questioning that Michael heard what he heard, but that whole glum thing was such a nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that's the point, is that I'm not questioning that he heard it. I'm not questioning his reporting. What I question is how the glumness turned into. Because he's a Met. That's the narrative that seemed to be. See, he wishes he stayed with the Yankees. He doesn't have Judge protecting him in the lineup. It all became about the Mets instead of the fact that he's just struggling now. Rob Lowe, not the Rob Lowe tweets out like the stats of Soto compared to Trent Grisham. And they're very. Well, they're not that similar. One's got 91 RBIs, the other one's got 61 RBIs.

[Alan Hahn]

That's not very close.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, you know, the batting average is similar and the home runs are 29 to 37. But the fact is trying to make the fact that Soto signed a multimillion dollar contract to Trent Grissom, but one.

[Don Hahn]

Guy had a resume of doing this year after year. The other guy has never done this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me ask you, Trent Christian's Trent Grisham is a problem for the Yankees because what are you going to do? You're bringing them back.

[Don Hahn]

You got to pay him well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But when is Jones going to play? When's Dominguez going to play? If Bellinger is going to come back and Judge eventually is going to go out into the outfield. Where is Trent Christian playing?

[Don Hahn]

Right. All right, so it's a good problem to have, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's a very good problem, Trent Christian having all of these numbers. They're going to matter. He's going to be gone. Bill or cuz. How much longer is Jones gonna stay in the minor leagues? How much longer is Dominguez not gonna play?

[Don Hahn]

Mm, it's all about right now. But. But just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, nobody is worth the money that Juan Soto is making. What do you want them? About a thousand and a billion home runs?

[Don Hahn]

But he's. The difference between the two is obvious, is one guy has done it year after year after year, the other guy, it's the first time he's done it. So you don't know is this an outlier or is this with playing time, what he normally does? Right. We don't know. So that's the difference there. So it's a bad comparison. It's a one year comparison. So did they. Are they surviving without him in the outfield? Are they getting production? You could say yes, because Christian's having a good year. But I'm still going back to this. Don Soto is the type of guy that when he's going well, he's happy. If the team's losing and he's going well, he's fine with it. There are guys like that in professional sports, and it's okay. But if the team's winning and he's not playing well, you're gonna see it on his face. He just can't fake it. That doesn't make him a bad guy. But even though you're ready, he's not a leader. He's not that kind of.

[Alan Hahn]

Hold on, hold on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know why you're even spinning it to that.

[Don Hahn]

Well, because that's what it was about more than anything else. It wasn't about missing anything. It was him missing his numbers, him feeling like I'm not playing up to the way I want to play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But even right now, Alan, you're. You're being like the Yankee fan. You're still trying to find, like, a negative, like, ah, well, he's not a leader.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know, he's smiling when they're losing games. I'm trying to make over, man, he's not a Yankee.

[Don Hahn]

I'm trying to make the point that it had nothing to do with missing the Yankees. That's the point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm. I know, but it, but, but it's still. But everybody, you're still a negative.

[Alan Hahn]

You're knocking him down a peg, though. And it's not.

[Don Hahn]

All I'm trying to do is. It's reality.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, hold on.

[Don Hahn]

But the guy really doesn't care about much more than his money and his numbers.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, can I talk to you for a second?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

There's a difference. Can there be a ball player who in April and May and June really primarily cares about how he's playing and wins or losses, just like us on the radio, they can only emphasize so much of wins and losses because they're 162 games. That doesn't mean that when they get to late September, they're not living and dying with wins.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you notice such a broad brush.

[Alan Hahn]

Say that just because he was like that in April, Allen, that he's not going to care in September.

[Don Hahn]

That's what he cared about then. You notice right now when it's winning time, what's he doing? He had five home runs in five games.

[Alan Hahn]

That too.

[Don Hahn]

He all of a sudden is now locked in. He's part of winning. You should see his numbers in Met wins.

[Alan Hahn]

Off the charts. But I bet they're also showing you.

[Don Hahn]

That early on the mistake was saying he's glum because he misses the Yankees. No, he's glum because he's not producing.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

That's why he's glum. And the Mets were winning. But he's not a guy that's going to be happy. Well, the team's winning, so I don't care. He's going to be glum and for those numbers, get good.

[Alan Hahn]

But he's too good for that.

[Don Hahn]

But there are guys who can fake top level players who can fake it and say, well, win. And that's all it matters.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was bad, though.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, he was really bad. I don't know, Don. How many top tier players, how many top tier players with tons of eyeballs on them are really going to be upbeat in April? And maybe if their team's winning games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where they're playing like pure garbage.

[Alan Hahn]

This isn't the 10th guy on the tee. This isn't the guy. This isn't Peter Rosenberg cheering on BCC baseball. This is one of the best players in the league. I just don't know how common that would be.

[Don Hahn]

Once again, maybe he doesn't put on a good face.

[Alan Hahn]

He's not a good faker.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, I must be really bad at Communicating. I am saying the perception by people about Glum were thinking he was missing the Yankees. And in reality it was him looking at his numbers saying, yeah, I'm not producing. And so they're thinking, well, the team's winning. Shouldn't you be happy? No, because there's guys like him that can't do that. That's what I'm saying.

[Alan Hahn]

I hear you.

[Don Hahn]

We're saying the same thing.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I'm pushing back, though, because you are giving it and you're still adding a negative air to it. I'm not giving it a negative air.

[Don Hahn]

What's the negative air?

[Alan Hahn]

That guys like that are guys who only care about their numbers. There is a. Don, you see what I'm saying? I think there's a negative slant to that conversation. You're saying guys like that, the best.

[Don Hahn]

Players care about their numbers. Okay, yeah, that's the same.

[Alan Hahn]

We're on the same.

[Don Hahn]

When they're not at the standard, they're like, this sucks. Well, your team's winning. I know, but I suck right now. And I'm not going to be happy until I get it. But I. But I do think then the team started to lose and his numbers came around and he was. You saw his mood start to lift.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Don Hahn]

Because his feeling was, we're losing, but it's not me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Don Hahn]

Because if they were losing his numbers still bad, he'd probably go into a worse.

[Alan Hahn]

But I think that's a very. I think that's very human.

[Caller]

And.

[Alan Hahn]

And I think, furthermore, if they were to get to October and Don, there's a playoff game and they lose and they. They beat the Dodgers 5 1, and he's over 4. I'm sure he'll be happy. It's not the same thing in April, May and June as it is in September.

[Don Hahn]

What he's not is Aaron Judge, who will put up this front.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don Hahn]

After he's all for four with four strikeouts and he'll be just like, all that matters, we won. No, no, because you can't go all for four with four strikeouts and keep winning.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, but he'll put up this front because that's. He's more of that leader guy that is. Well, let me put.

[Alan Hahn]

He's really well polished.

[Don Hahn]

Very polished. Soto's not that. So fans were misinterpreting. Some stars are not like that.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure, that's fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you could also spin it like, I think when you say Soto's not a leader. It's tough to be a leader when you just get there. Marte Showed leadership. He lost his job because of Soto, basically. And yet he's still sticking around, still trying to help. He's had injuries. You know, Alonzo, we used to talk about Alonzo. Remember Peter back in the day about him being awkward and not a leader.

[Alan Hahn]

Because he was a kid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And now you're starting to see he's developed into a leader because he's a veteran and he's been there and he's an original met and all that. You know, Judge is a leader based on the fact that he's the best player on the team and he seems to be a take charge guy, but.

[Don Hahn]

He speaks for the group.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he doesn't speak though. He speaks. He really speaks in cliche. Like he's not a very. He's. I'm not, I want to say this negative. Like he's not very genuine with the things he's saying. You know, when he's complimenting. When the Reds, you know, when a team that bad beating. Oh, they got a really good team with. No, they don't. Okay. When the Rockies beat you the one game. Well, they got a real. No, they're going to lose 120 games. Aaron, stop. He is like, he does speak and clean things Jeter that way sometimes.

[Don Hahn]

He is team spokesman Aaron Judge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

And he very careful with the messaging. Right. He is a PR firm representing the Yankees. That's what he does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

However, Bush, because he's human and we talked about this, you know, Aaron Boone is right. He's not ready to play the outfield and Judge took exception to that. And listen, it didn't become a big thing because they've been winning. But you know, listen, he's human. So that was him out of character a bit because he felt like he was being pushed and he didn't like that. So he is human. But I just leadership comes from him putting arm around somebody who's struggling in the dugout. We've seen him do that with Volpe, what happens behind closed doors. But believe me, what they say after game we dissect things that are said after. It's so stupid because it's all just. It's doctored up bs, isn't it?

[Don Hahn]

Yes, it is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Jeter was good with that. You know, Judge is good with that. Like Soto, he's not. He could become a leader. Look, but he's not a leader now because he's only been here for like five minutes.

[Don Hahn]

And the reality of that met lineup at the start of the season was Soto looked around going, there's no Aaron.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Judge, nobody has Aaron.

[Don Hahn]

But that's. That's the first thing you notice when you realize, like, last year I had a career year is okay. This is different. And it's kind of annoying and it's frustrating. There are people that want to interpret that into that he feels like he made a mistake. When he looks at his paycheck every two weeks, there's zero chance he thinks he made a mistake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. And that's where it was all about the money. Because we always said that had nothing to do with the Bleacher Creatures chanting his name or the Yankees being a bigger team. He was going to go to the highest bidder, period. Now, what I find interesting about him is he had a miserable start to the season, and yet he still may end up hitting more home runs than he did last year and be a top five MVP candidate. So. Which makes you salivate as a Met fan. Like it could. It's going to get better. It should get better, because this will still end up looking like a non Soto year. It looked like it was going to be that first year in San Diego. He was just not very good at all. But we're going to be talking about Soto not having a Soto year where he might go 40 for 30, and who knows? He hit in the postseason last year with the Yankees, and if he does it with the Mets, believe me, there's going to be, of course, a lot of.

[Don Hahn]

There's still a magic moment waiting to happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

1-800-919-3776. Let's get back to the busy phones. Let's go to. Let's go to Anthony in the Bronx. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Anthony?

[Caller]

Hey, what's up, fellas? Listen, as a Yankee fan, I know Don tries to agitate or motivate some Yankee fans against one, so. And I get it. I mean, it's radio. But for me, and I'll be honest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Am I making any of it up? Do you watch? No, no, no, no.

[Caller]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Don, you got it. Yeah, you're right. But for me, as a Yankee fan, I've told you this before. I've seen seven world championships. I'm not concerned about Juan Soto. I'm concerned about winning another chip. And if the Mets don't win a chip, even though they got Soto, the name of the game is winning. And if they don't win a championship, then how. How successful is that trade?

[Peter Rosenberg]

First of all, it was a trade. It was a signing. And also, they got to win it this year. It's got 14 years after this.

[Caller]

But it's about chips, Don. You know that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're not going 15 of them, Anthony. You're not going to win 15 straight. And it may not happen this year. I don't think it's going to happen this year.

[Caller]

No, no, no, you're right. But I'm saying in the grand scheme of things, you gotta, you gotta win that chip. And with Jeter, yes, he was a PR machine, but the only difference with Jeter and Judge, and I'm a Yankee fan, Judge got to perform when it counts. Jeter performed when it counts. He got over 3,600 hits in five championships. So he has the right to be a PR machine. Judge doesn't have that right. For me, I don't hate Judge, but for me, as a Yankee fan, it's about winning and he has to perform. And when it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fair enough. But, but everybody puts their eggs in one basket. It doesn't have to be right away. Doesn't have to be this year. It'd be nice if it was this year. Now if we're, if we fast forward 10 years from now and Juan Soto is still raking and the Mets don't have a championship, hey, you know, maybe, maybe it's gonna be like, all right, well, maybe it didn't work out.

[Don Hahn]

Do you think Judge is like this at home? Like, how is he normal? Because we only get to see him in front of a camera and a microphone and he's very careful and cautious with the way he speaks. We've seen Jeter away from that world and we've seen him like, let the guard down. You can see a little bit of Jeter's personality. We've never really seen Judge. Right. You don't know what he's real like. Can you imagine the conversations if he's really like that, even with friends? So it's a very everything positive, everything cautious, everything like, you know, measured.

[Alan Hahn]

I thought it was an interesting point.

[Don Hahn]

That the caller just made the nod and smile as he finishes a sentence.

[Alan Hahn]

But what do you think about that assessment that Jeter got the. Has the right to sort of give you nothing because of how well he played versus, like there is something about it, a little condescending about it that like you kind of, yes, us to death.

[Don Hahn]

But there's, well, Jeter is, is the multi billion dollar corporation that can just send out those press releases and patch you on the head going, there's your news. Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, we. I'm giving you nothing more.

[Don Hahn]

This is all you get well. But also I don't regurgitate.

[Alan Hahn]

I owe you nothing.

[Don Hahn]

Whereas Judge, you'. Yeah. You still got some work to do here. Like we're not interested, I guess that that is. But Judge is following the script you'd like to hear. I want to know what he's really like, right? Like I've seen him when he strikes out. The only real emotion he shows you is he spits his gum and hits it with the bat. That's when you know he's really pissed off.

[Alan Hahn]

Which by the way is basically the. The gol. The oh golly of modern day sports.

[Don Hahn]

It's all shucks or golly G. Yeah, it's. At least he hits the gun with the bat though, because he couldn't hit the ball. It's almost like I don't know, something, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's who he is, I guess.

[Don Hahn]

But seriously, you never really see him yell. You never see him like he'll glare sometimes at an opponent. Like you'll see a look like I'm.

[Alan Hahn]

Trying to think of current.

[Don Hahn]

It just doesn't show you anything to know are you. Are you a human like.

[Alan Hahn]

Because let's think about other equivalent greats in the game right now. In other games. Steph, for example. Steph shows you can't help it. He doesn't screw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

He screams sometimes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He will yell.

[Alan Hahn]

He'll pound his fist.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

He doesn't give a lot of press conferences.

[Don Hahn]

Patrick Mahomes, his press conferences are brutal.

[Alan Hahn]

But in, in the game though, but.

[Don Hahn]

You see it in the game. He gets like how he's very demonstrative. You have to. It's football different. Connor McDavid done well, we own. It's very similar, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very similar. But in last. The year before Stanley cup final when they came back from three nothing down and they did the behind the scenes stuff, there was footage of him ripping into the team. Like you just see that. Like you know, he doesn't want to show that.

[Alan Hahn]

But great hockey's a weird one though because I think the all time greats that I think of, I don't know. But no, a lot of them are not though. I mean when I think of. When I think of the ones from my life, Mario, Sid Gretzky, I don't think of tons of Sid.

[Don Hahn]

Sid was a trash talker though.

[Alan Hahn]

Quietly.

[Don Hahn]

But no, no, you. There were at least the early days like when he was getting manhandled a lot and he started to grow up a bit that those first couple years once he got his man strength and started to emerge There was like, a nozzle y part of Sid that. That came out that it was almost like, okay, he's starting to.

[Alan Hahn]

A little bit of attitude.

[Don Hahn]

I Judge doesn't even give you. That doesn't get. Show me a moment where Judge did more in frustration than just simply spit the gum and hit it with the bag.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Paul o', Neill, we know he's not doing that, but not doing that something.

[Alan Hahn]

That's why we were having a conversation before we went on the air today about just how necessary Jazz Chisholm is to this team. Like, at least guys, he gives you a hint of attitude, of swagger, of personality.

[Don Hahn]

So the second home run, I got to know what's going on there, too. Now, no one made a big deal of this, and I thought they would because you saw the Giants and the Rockies benches empty.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was a. I'd never seen that during a home run trial like Deborah's is still. As they made the round of bases.

[Alan Hahn]

He was halfway between first and second.

[Don Hahn]

And went to war. And then they went to war, and it was over the fact that he just took forever just to start his jog. And the pitcher didn't like it first inning. So with that in mind, Jazz's second home run, it looked like he was annoyed. This wasn't a flex.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He.

[Don Hahn]

He hits this home run, he knew it right away it was gone. And he did a bat flip, like, a pause, a flip. And then he looked into the Astros dugout for just enough of a pause, a beat. But it wasn't a look of, like, showing up. It was almost like he was annoyed at something. And then he starts his run. And even David Cohen said, like, yeah, I'd have a problem with that if I was in that dugout. And I'm thinking, okay, well, he's getting thrown at nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, the Astros were.

[Don Hahn]

They had no reaction to this. And I'm wondering, did they know that Jazz was more mad at something else because they were all pissed off at the home plate umpire? He was terrible last night. So I could. That was a moment that I was waiting for some type of retribution. Maybe they get it tonight. And nothing came of it, and no one talked about it after the game. It was surprising to me. But you're right. That's that little bit of juice that he brings to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The thing is, he has to continue to perform, because I'm telling you, I know New York. If he acts like that and he's not hitting, the fans will turn on him.

[Don Hahn]

Of course, because of all the other stuff he's got all the different but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do think he has added a little personality to a team that sometimes.

[Alan Hahn]

Is way too corporate almost all the time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And him and Caballero. Yeah, both and they haven't been here long but you know and have been able to contribute.

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, this. I don't. Maybe. Maybe this could be one of those.

[Don Hahn]

No, too slow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about when it kicks in or whatever that's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's just not the vibe of the song. Like the song isn't about.

[Don Hahn]

Even though the video though is unreal. What's the model's name?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tony Kitane. We lost a couple of years on.

[Don Hahn]

The hood of the car. It's just unreal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, if a car can get a woman pregnant, she would have had twins.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait, that doesn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Calling all footballs.

[Alan Hahn]

That doesn't make sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, how is it supposed to make sense? I said once I sentence but that's.

[Alan Hahn]

Not the end of it.

[Don Hahn]

You're gonna tell me Lightning Mcqueen Wouldn't have a shot.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, hold on.

[Don Hahn]

A shot.

[Alan Hahn]

Hold on. The other part. That doesn't make sense, though. It's not only the car, Allen. It's not like. Well, if you want to have sex so bad that you have twins, that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just not how it works.

[Alan Hahn]

Technically, it's not like. Well, it went so well. The twins happened.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why do you got to ruin everything?

[Alan Hahn]

I just said it doesn't make sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just like joke. It was a funny joke. And now you're playing Captain Literal Man. Well, you know, Don, that's not how it works. You don't have sex with cars. You can't breed with a car. So now we've suspended disbelief. So let's have some fun. You know, the amount of sex doesn't mean you have twins. I get it. But we've already had sex with a car.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you for all this. I appreciate all of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but just you just. That was like a total Michael K thing you did. Total Michael K. Well, I didn't expect.

[Alan Hahn]

That you would then. It was meant to be an ad lib that people would just hear and think, what did he mean by that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't know you were nice when. Nobody talks like that. Andrew, that's not funny. No, it's hilarious because people don't talk that way.

[Alan Hahn]

So, yeah, I think you're.

[Don Hahn]

You broke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ruined me broke. You ruined the whole. That the whole day's now shot.

[Don Hahn]

I was really happy with it was really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was really happy with it. You should still.

[Don Hahn]

That was a really good bit. Yeah, and I thought the Lightning McQueen line was like a good little. Like just you pat cherry back. A little cherry on top.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, there you go.

[Don Hahn]

And then you come in with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know.

[Don Hahn]

It doesn't work that way.

[Alan Hahn]

It doesn't work that way. Well, not only the car.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks, dad. How does it work exactly?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's. It's about. Well, if you want to talk about.

[Don Hahn]

Ovulation, they seem right there. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really.

[Don Hahn]

It just took the whole room down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If we were a comedy team, everybody would have walked out.

[Don Hahn]

Walked out?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. That wasn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We had them roaring and all of a sudden. Although technically don't.

[Alan Hahn]

It was the opposite of yes and. But it was no and because there was more. It didn't end it. I just was explaining. There's more.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you think I'm stupid because you thought for a second that I thought that's the way it worked and I'm insulted. So not only did you not. Did you ruin the joke, you insulted me. At the same time, it's very skillful.

[Don Hahn]

The way you didn't know that a car can't get pregnant again.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the part I'm focused on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The part where teen got pregnant. The car is the male.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She made love to the car in the video to the point where she had twins.

[Alan Hahn]

But why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not how it works.

[Alan Hahn]

But why twin.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I. Here's what I know. I got a Lynn side dope. When you do have sex with cars and cars do produce it. Twins, right. Twin engines. Something about the oil. I don't know what it is.

[Don Hahn]

There it is.

[Alan Hahn]

There it is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Full circle. I just can't believe that's not a teammate. That's not a good guy.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was one of the funniest things I've said in the last month. You've had two teams and you ruined it.

[Don Hahn]

Two great takes today.

[Alan Hahn]

Which was the first one.

[Don Hahn]

What did I say earlier? Didn't I tell you that was one of the best takes you've had?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You did say, I don't remember what.

[Don Hahn]

It was the summer you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow. You don't remember what it was. I'm going to be the take of the summer.

[Don Hahn]

I don't remember five minutes ago. What were we just talking about? I'm Dory. Hi.

[Alan Hahn]

Hi. Where were we?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you know, how about Joe and Chappaqua? I try to save the show.

[Alan Hahn]

Help us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Save us from Peter.

[Caller]

I don't know if that's possible, but I did have a couple of other songs if I could get to them before my Soto point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Caller]

Girls by Beastie Boys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Too goofy. How would she dance? Girls?

[Alan Hahn]

Joe, have you ever been to a gentleman's establishment?

[Don Hahn]

I don't think so. So, by the way, just to be clear.

[Caller]

Well, now I'm thinking more the. You know, the title or something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, I get it.

[Alan Hahn]

That's not how it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The groove of the song is inclusive.

[Don Hahn]

Wouldn't that be hilarious, though? Like, put that song out.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Dance to that. Good luck.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm California girls. While we're at it.

[Caller]

What about Stacy's mom? What about Stacy's mom? It's practically a poor night.

[Don Hahn]

It could be done, but that's a different night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're missing the vibe of the whole thing. The way with the girls with the Beastie boys. Maybe if she's an exotic dancer, like a pogo stick or something. I guess that would make sense.

[Don Hahn]

I guess again, to be clear, as we stated, it is. It's rock songs. So we obviously.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, there's a lot of hip hop.

[Don Hahn]

Hip hop songs that are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Obviously, you wanted to make a point and I got disconnected. Did Soto talking up Marte as a leader? Was that Shade at Lindor? I don't think so, no. I think they're friendly. I think the fact that he has stayed engaged despite his injuries, despite the fact he pretty much lost his job to Soto as a compliment. I don't think he was throwing.

[Don Hahn]

Don't you think people really reveal themselves when they ask questions like that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Do you really think it's been a.

[Don Hahn]

Topic of conversation that bad of a guy that he's throwing shade at?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I heard it's public's making the rounds at social media because everybody's got to find the negative and everything. He's friendly with Martell. Marte's a good guy. Peter nicknamed him the ball player. There's just something about Starling Marte that you just like having on the team. He's a good guy and he's just all about the ball. And I just think that as a leader, like, that's a leader. Like, even though he's been diminished by injury and he's the odd man out in the outfield, he's still engaged, he's still talking about and I think so.

[Alan Hahn]

He's not great all the time, but he can do everything well. He also physically is like the perfect specimen of an athlete. He's for a baseball. Every baseball player looks completely jacked. Like he's just a completely.

[Don Hahn]

The Yankees have one. He just can't move.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's different.

[Don Hahn]

When he hits the ball, it turns to dust.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, exactly.

[Don Hahn]

But other than that, no, I think those are guys that are valuable to the team because they not only can they play any position or do anything you need, they're willing to do that rather than make it about themselves. And I need to be a regular or else I'm not going to be happy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's one of those guys, and I think that's appreciated by stars. Barry in Chicago's got a question. What do you got, man? You're on ESPN New York.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, man.

[Caller]

Guys. Longtime listener. I was born and raised in the Bronx, live in Chicago. Haven't lived in New York for 30 years. Actually 50 years. But I'm going to Brooklyn this weekend. I'm going to see the Yankees. And I need to know where I can get good pizza to show my kids what real pizza is. Near the Barclays center in Brooklyn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are you. Peter, you're over there a lot.

[Alan Hahn]

I'd have to ask Natalie, the best pizza closest to the Barclays Center. Give me one second.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's checking anything. You're out the Barclays Center. You're there for the draft.

[Don Hahn]

Patsy's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Patsy's.

[Don Hahn]

Pat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where's Pat?

[Don Hahn]

I was going to say it's right there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's across the street and Anthony's a Brooklyn guy and he said, but I'm.

[Don Hahn]

Being lazy because it's right across the street. But it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's good.

[Don Hahn]

It's a New York slice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Anthony is good.

[Don Hahn]

Very typical. Yeah, it's pretty good. Every slice in Brooklyn's great, so that's not true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So Barry Anthony, what do you Allen say? It's Patsy now. Peter's doing the work right now.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm going to do the work.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's reaching out to Natalie. Checking it out now.

[Alan Hahn]

How close do you need to check how close you have to Barry? You have like a few minutes, an hour. How long do you. How close does it need to be?

[Caller]

You know, within 10, 15 minutes.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you're on hold for a while.

[Don Hahn]

So I'm sure there's something nearby that's 10 minutes away.

[Caller]

But yeah, I'm also a long suffering jets fan who woke up this morning to listen to Bart talk about Avera.

[Don Hahn]

Curses.

[Caller]

Yeah, it's. My life is cursed with the Jets.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you and me both, bud.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It feels that way. No matter who the coach, no matter what decision you make.

[Don Hahn]

Whenever you want optimism, or at least whenever you start to comfortably sit yourself in the chair of optimism as a Jets fan, the spring suddenly engages and just pushes you right off the chair and right into the wall of nails. Like that's, that's what that life is. Lucy pulls the football away every time. Now, this wasn't a season of great expectations, but it was a season where you knew what they were going to be, the identity was going to be. We got two really good running backs. They're going to run the ball. You have a quarterback who can run. They believe in playing the power run game. Well, one of the best run blocking guards in the NFL is Elijah Vera Tucker. One of the best. That's not me saying it. Pro Football Focus says it. And he's now probably going to be out for the season. He's been hurt every year, it feels like since he, since he'd been drafted. Poor guy just keeps getting hurt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He has missed. I think he missed what, like it's almost digit games in 22 and 23. So, you know, you talk about curses, but when you also have a Guy in your offensive line, that is. That's been beat up. You want to make sure you have the depth.

[Don Hahn]

You want the depth. So torn triceps in 22 in week seven. The Achilles was week five. The year after that ankle issue in week eight last season. Now the torn triceps this year is the other arm. How about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So he already knows what he's got to go through. He's trying to get a second opinion to see if he can avoid surgery. It shows you how bad he wants to play. Now he's a team guy. Yes, he was voted captain, but you know what else? Contract year for a highly touted draft pick that you want to pay. But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he's getting a second opinion. We'll see. But it doesn't sound good.

[Don Hahn]

But if you're moving Tippmann, you're starting center to Gordon, saying, well, that's fine. You can. He's good at guard, but now I'm going with a backup center.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's not going to be the 17th best guard in the NFL, I'll tell you that.

[Don Hahn]

It just. To me, it weakens your offensive line, which needs to be a strength of the team if you're going to have any type of success this season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Shining Wizards. Kevin remembered my point. That was the point of the summer.

[Alan Hahn]

Point of the summer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That what Varsity Blues did for Southern accents was what the party.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah. That's a fantastic take. Thank you. There's still. I'm gonna say it again. It's the best to take of the summer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. We're gonna be at war with the Chinese in 20 odd years.

[Alan Hahn]

I love when Don does the over the top.

[Don Hahn]

Did you get the names of it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Find that fine.

[Don Hahn]

I don't mean.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't mean identical.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't mean you're doing over the top. I love when you do the impression of the over the top.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like Mayor Quimby. But that's exactly. The whole movie sounds that way.

[Don Hahn]

They're all like that.

[Alan Hahn]

They're all Mayor Quimby.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Baldwin is not from Boston.

[Don Hahn]

No, of course. But it's just. He struggles with it, but it's. It's comic. But even Jack, who's one of the great actors of our time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. What could I use you for? It's so when I tell you to bury a guy in the marsh. You buried a guy in a marsh.

[Don Hahn]

What do you want them to do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not where a guy gets a, you know, every. Every lunch or whatever.

[Don Hahn]

It's it. Yeah, chop me up and feed me to the poor. Like that line is God awful. Leo, Leo, just don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Leo, you're a great great and it's a great move.

[Don Hahn]

Not everybody in Boston. Sounds like that's odd to me though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That that's, that's the Scorsese win one that wins best Picture.

[Don Hahn]

But it was a great movie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was.

[Alan Hahn]

But that's how it always goes though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, but it's not good, fellas. It's not Casino.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but I mean of the of a generation though.

[Alan Hahn]

Denzel won for Training Day and not for Malcolm X. This is like always what happens, you know. Al Pacino won for Scent of a Woman and not Godfather or Godfather 2.

[Don Hahn]

Is it based on the competition? You would think more than anything.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, probably. And then there's makeup calls.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, you think so?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Always.

[Don Hahn]

Is that how that works?

[Alan Hahn]

They couldn't get them. They couldn't get them this one. We'll get them out work that way for sure.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. This gives you a little Led Zeppelin vibes, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, David Coverdale it's the whole like.

[Don Hahn]

But it's 10 years later.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He sang for Deep Purple. He always had, like, a classic rock kind of feel to him.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he had that sound.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Calling all football fans. Enter the ESPN New York Survivor sweepstakes for a chance to win $5,000. Make your pick each week of the football season and find out how you stack up against your friends and favorite ESPN hosts. But be careful. One wrong pick and you'll be eliminated. The last one standing will take home the title of the 2nd Annual ESPN New York Survivor Sweepstakes Champion and 5000 Bucks. Enter before Sunday, September 7th at 1:00pm on the ESPN New York app powered by Splash Sports.com I downloaded it. I made my pick.

[Don Hahn]

Me too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You did make your.

[Don Hahn]

I'm in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because I didn't want to forget.

[Alan Hahn]

I got to do it tomorrow's day and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you want to say now or you want to wait? It's not that big of a deal.

[Alan Hahn]

What? Say my pick.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I haven't even looked yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you had to make your pick.

[Alan Hahn]

I said I didn't yet.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah, you said it didn't make his pick.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I'm making my tomorrow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You want to reveal?

[Don Hahn]

Wait till we all pick.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. You know, I don't. I don't want to cheat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not a big deal.

[Don Hahn]

It's not a big deal because it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just picking a winner. Yeah, I think.

[Don Hahn]

And one you. That you don't. You know, I'm not going to need this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Survive in advance, baby. Don't overthink it.

[Don Hahn]

Nope, Exactly. So Natalie say that and almost everybody got eliminated last year on the Bengals except me.

[Alan Hahn]

That was a bad one.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

So Natalie didn't have a flex. A near. A true near Barclays pick for pizza.

[Don Hahn]

All right, fair enough.

[Alan Hahn]

She said she her closest were Dumbo, the legendary. Of course Grimaldi's. And she also said Juliana's. Okay, so two Dumbo picks I don't have for the gentleman nearby.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I was going to say that, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That far more than 10, 15 minutes?

[Alan Hahn]

No, I don't think so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he's coming in from Chicago. I'm sure he's not gonna have a car, so he can hop on a subway and go pretty much anywhere he wants.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, Uber.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's go to Moose in Jamaica. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Moose?

[Don Hahn]

Moose.

[Caller]

You ready for spurred sports nirvana?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a good question.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Oh, man, love this time of year. So, yeah, this is my only take on the reason for my call. Honorable mention for your list on any given Sunday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's what. I like that movie. I do. It's got a lot of weirdness to it, but I still like it. I never got my call. Dueling play by play guys from each team on the same broadcast. Very strange. But whatever, you know.

[Don Hahn]

What about the program, by the way?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like the program. I'm not going to put it in my top five. I. I didn't. Well, people spitting each other's mouths. That's it. That's it.

[Don Hahn]

That's it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The program which our pinhead suit said. It's. It's. It's not bad.

[Alan Hahn]

Scout, who is the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The woman in that. That I always had a crush on? I got to figure that out.

[Don Hahn]

I wouldn't know. Well, it's who you'd have a crush on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's true. Because I'll never. I don't. Never really talked her up.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I'm a big fan. Hold on.

[Don Hahn]

Peaches and Herb. Or Peaches and Herb.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's. It's Peaches and Herb.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think Herb. You're right. I think it's a name.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's.

[Don Hahn]

Dom is suggesting that it was a fruit and a smoke.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's Peaches and Herb.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it makes sense because, you know, then somebody's name is Peaches, which I guess is. Is always possible.

[Don Hahn]

Maybe in the 70s that was a thing that went together. Well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You. I think you'll agree with me because we're around the same age.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Christy Swanson.

[Don Hahn]

Christy Swanson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Christy Swanson, Throwback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not a great picture, but it. I gotta find a better picture. But she was also. She had a cameo in Ferris Bueller. I gotta find something from back in the day. But I think she's playing like a ghost or something.

[Don Hahn]

You're clearly not. These photos are definitely not doing it well. No movement, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, the fact is, for Christmas photos on IMDb, there's 228 to choose from.

[Don Hahn]

So let's get into a good one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's using Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[Don Hahn]

Is she Buffy?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah, I'm in. All right.

[Alan Hahn]

That didn't take long.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, so thank you. Because there was one picture. She's like a goat.

[Don Hahn]

Alan is just really just so judgmental.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You just can't roll with it. I got two hosts today. Just roll.

[Don Hahn]

He wants me to roll with powdered skin, dark circles under the eyes. Literally looked like in the Crypt. And he. And I'm supposed to go, yeah, for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you can't force.

[Alan Hahn]

Let me see the pictures. So when you looked it up, that was what popped up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was the first one because I guess it's the most recent movie she was in.

[Don Hahn]

Sorry, I don't go for death, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Obviously he's playing a character. He's very.

[Alan Hahn]

No, the old school Christy Swanson is.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. You know, slamming.

[Alan Hahn]

That's not right. What happens in the world Aging Josh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In Florida, you're on ESPN New York. Hi, Josh.

[Caller]

Guys, thank you for taking my call. First of all, you guys rock. You are the best. And Jake is a master at his craft. Quick suggestion. And when you guys were talking about songs for a club, I will chip in Black Dog from Lip Zeppelin. That's like a groovy song that I. I would like, you know, from my single Dancing in Front of Me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I understand the way it starts. Hey, mama, the way you move Gonna make you sweat Gonna make you.

[Don Hahn]

What is she doing there?

[Peter Rosenberg]

She's air guitarring and jumping down again on the pogo stick that she did. The song before by the Beastie Bitch.

[Don Hahn]

Just throw out a trampoline.

[Caller]

And one last suggestion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller]

For a future top five list. I don't know if you've done it before, but like, top five all time best All Star lineup. It could be any sports, which is. Have been the best lineup ever assembled for an All Star Game.

[Don Hahn]

1998 NBA All Star Game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, can't top. Can't top. What do you got?

[Caller]

I like that.

[Don Hahn]

If I gave you both. Both rosters, it blows your mind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Kobe and Michael.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's a good.

[Don Hahn]

That's a rare. Like, that's a. That's a rare coin.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I don't know if you saw going around social media, what's that? The other day? I don't know if it was fake. I don't know why anybody would bother. But they show. They show a doc. They show the Strawberry home run off of Carlton in Philadelphia.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, wow. And it goes. Yeah. And you see people jumping up and down and one of them Scoby, like a young Kobe, like 14. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, it's tremendous.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is probably like 87 12.

[Don Hahn]

Let me give you the East. Just a little take real quick. Leave it East. I know we're late.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, we're not.

[Don Hahn]

We're good, Michael. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They just don't like the show.

[Don Hahn]

That's Reggie, Penny, Hardaway. All right. Sean Kemp, Grant Hill, d' Kami Mutombo. All right. That's just the East. And I'm not naming everybody. I'M just giving you ones.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not bad.

[Don Hahn]

West. Shaq, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Carl Malone, Kobe Bryant, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton.

[Alan Hahn]

This is games. All centers.

[Don Hahn]

Just.

[Alan Hahn]

It's for the West.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but I'm just looking at Eddie Jones, Vin Baker. Well, I mean, look, why is every.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can I ask a question?

[Alan Hahn]

Why is everyone doing this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why is everybody just taking turns destroying people's takes on the show? Why is the third straight segment in which somebody is trying to make a point and a really good one, and then somebody out of the blue just stomps on him?

[Alan Hahn]

What about Eddie Jones?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not one having a show. Come on.

[Don Hahn]

Rick Smith, like, I'm good list had.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't even know how is Eddie Jones there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he's trying to make a point. And you can't make a point with Eddie Jones, so he left him off. But Jacob can't have it. No, we can't have good. We can't have quality takes on the show. We gotta just. Let's just. Anthony, it's your turn. Get ready. I don't know who it is, but somebody's gonna have a really good valid point, and then you're gonna come out and say, oh, well, no, it's bad enough you get it from the callers in social media. We're carnivores. We're eating our own here.

[Don Hahn]

I could give you 92, and I guarantee you could find the name. Like, 92 has also just hall of Famers, just top to bottom. But then Jake would go, yeah, but you know Dan Marley.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, like, he'll do that.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, just Dan Marley, who in real life was whatever in video games. Unbelievable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like Johnny Ronan. Oh, no.

[Alan Hahn]

Tom Chambers. Tom Chambers was one who could dunk from the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Marley had one of the best sports bars in Phoenix.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, I've heard you talk about this ad nauseam.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you mean? How? Really? How many times does that come up at nausea?

[Don Hahn]

This is a time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

First of all, it was like 2014. So we're like 11 years in. My God. The second time I said.

[Alan Hahn]

I remember it really well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it's your turn, Anthony. You're behind now. You got nothing right now. I thought it'd be cool at the super bowl in Arizona. Let's go to Cooperstown. It's Alice Cooper's place. They had. They had basic cable. There was like, nothing. They had no games. So we went down the street. Marley's place had all the games, all the hockey, everything was fantastic place. It might have been the second time in 11 years I brought it up.

[Alan Hahn]

This guy's nauseum all the time. He can't stop.

[Don Hahn]

You know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How much when does Marley come up in conversation?

[Alan Hahn]

That's why I call you Thunder. Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is one of the.

[Don Hahn]

You want to hear the 94 NHL All Star, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

This guy Derek. Right. Anthony. Get ready. Here comes loaded quick because we got ENN coming up.

[Don Hahn]

Celios, Coffee Bure, Hull, Gretzky, McGinnis, Blake Shanahan, New and Dyke. I just goes on the other team. Richter, Van Beesbrook. Really? Yeah, I just really think she's fine. I'm running through it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He had the bald mullet too.

[Don Hahn]

Scott Stevens, Joey Mullen, McGinley, Lindross, Bork, Wa, Messier, Leach. A lot going on there.

[Alan Hahn]

94.

[Peter Rosenberg]

94 All Star Game was actually at.

[Don Hahn]

The Garden Madison Garden. And Bori pulls the move on Richter that he. I afraid he's the guy I afraid I had to. I had to throw it in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He had the big hardest shot.

[Alan Hahn]

He had the hardest shot in the league.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you know when you're mullet. Don't have a mullet. No.

[Don Hahn]

That's a great thing to do.

[Alan Hahn]

Didn't you say McGinnis was on the west too? I think it was the two hardest shots in the league or McGinnis and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I afraid and getting McGinnis was the Eastern Conference.

[Don Hahn]

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