Hour 3: Has Danhausen Uncursed the Mets?

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast: Hour 3 – "Has Danhausen Uncursed the Mets?"

Date: June 24, 2026

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Overview

In this lively third hour, Michael Kay (filling in for Alan Hahn), Peter Rosenberg, and callers dig into the eternal agony of Mets fandom, examining whether the team's woes are a result of bad luck, incompetence, or an actual curse. They also riff on the futility and fascination of pro sports drafts, New York sports heartbreak, generational moments in sports history, and the hilarious notion of having WWE star Danhausen "uncurse" the Mets—for a price. The conversation is equal parts therapy, roast, debate, and laughter—classic New York sports radio.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The NBA Draft & The Folly of "Draft Grades"

Timestamps: [01:59] – [10:26]

• Michael Kay laments the modern NBA draft, explaining why it feels less meaningful: "The most frustrating thing about the draft... you've got guys going up wearing the hat of the team that drafted them, when the reports are already they've been traded. ...It's like fantasy land." ([03:06])
• The hosts agree that grading drafts immediately is a fool's errand: "It is a complete crapshoot." ([04:29])
• They cite classic examples of overlooked draft gems and busts, emphasizing the unpredictability: “Joker is going to the hall of fame, drafted in the second round. Every team in the NBA passed on him in the first round. So didn’t that show you, Peter, what a crapshoot the draft is?” ([05:34])
• Peter Rosenberg: “I’m not a fantasy guy. I just, I consume the players once they're on my team.” ([06:21])
• The obsession with analytics vs “feel” is debated, with Kay noting, "All the things that Brunson did at Villanova, all the clutch shots, the two national championships, meant nothing to these general managers because it was all the analytics... instead of looking at the damn games." ([08:53])

2. Are the Mets Cursed—Or Just Incompetent?

Timestamps: [11:13] – [22:35]

• Michael Kay: “The Mets are going to drive me to weed.” ([11:13])
  • This leads to a spirited airing of grievances regarding Mets disappointments vis-à-vis the Jets and Knicks.
• Caller Daniel from Florida describes his childhood heartbreak post-1986 Mets World Series and a sense that the team is “cursed” without player or fan loyalty. ([13:00])
• Kay pushes back: “You’re not cursed when you decide, I don’t want to give an extra $200,000 to Ray Knight ... Those are bad decisions, right? Peter, that’s not cur. Cursed is when your Super Bowl winning quarterback blows out his Achilles four plays in. ...That’s cursed. ...But when you decide to be cheap and not pay Ray Knight, that’s just dumb.” ([14:24]-[15:43])
• Rosenberg: “It’s incompetence... but Mets fans were pretty reasonable last off-season about losing these very homegrown, home-loved guys.” ([15:45])

3. The Droughts: Mets vs Knicks vs Jets

Timestamps: [17:14] – [24:15]

• Callers weigh in on which franchise is most disappointing or “frustrating.”
• Caller Kevin (fan of Mets, Jets, Knicks): “No, the Mets have disappointed me most. It’s incompetence, not a curse.” ([20:00])
• Kay: Contrasts how losing drives front-office desperation versus patience: “Losing begets losing, and it just becomes a runaway train.” ([22:35])
• The NBA draft’s appeal is further questioned; sports ownership & front office acumen seen as the real drivers behind curses, not supernatural fate.

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4. The Danhausen Saga: Can a Wrestler "Uncurse" the Mets?

Timestamps: [24:15] – [29:19]; [46:10] – [49:41]

• Caller Jacob jokes about bringing in WWE’s Danhausen to “uncurse” the Mets, as he purportedly did for the Devils.
• Rosenberg, a wrestling insider, reaches out to Danhausen:
  • Reports back: “Danhausen did indeed uncurse the Mets, but he never received his payment, so there was no human monies.” ([26:21])
  • Later shares Danhausen’s price for a proper uncurse: “His response was 2 mil. I’ll sully my curse... he knows how bad this team is, so he needs a massive amount.” ([46:16])
• The hosts debate whether Steve Cohen should pony up $2 million given his $23 billion net worth.
  • “It’s like you giving Danhausen 20 bucks. And I’d give Danhausen 20 bucks. Done. Curse the Mets.” ([49:25])
• Kay: “But the Mets, if [Danhausen] could do this, that’s enough heavy lifting that I’ll have to say, you know what…” ([26:15])

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5. Sports History & Naming Iconic Moments

Timestamps: [37:17] – [42:44]

• Callers and hosts swap stories about iconic visual moments in New York and national sports—OG’s tip-in for the Knicks, the Buckner error, the Tyree helmet catch, classic Islanders and Raiders moments.
• Kay: “The Buckner play … that’s going to live forever.” ([39:05])
• Naming Moments: The hosts playfully brainstorm what the Knicks moment should be called—“The Hand of God” is floated, but Rosenberg points out Maradona got there first ([39:56], [40:14]).

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6. Mets, Management, and The Future

Timestamps: [31:27] – [36:38]

• Mets’ front office woes continued: should GM David Stearns be fired, or does his aversion to long-term contracts actually protect the franchise in a potential salary-cap era?
• Michael Kay: “But somebody’s gonna have to take the blame for this. ...I think the Met fans are educated enough to say I don't think this is on Mendoza, but will he cut ties with a general manager he waited forever for?” ([33:52])

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7. NY Sports Culture, Soccer, and Europe

Timestamps: [27:35], [30:07], [45:26]

• The crew banters about the viral fun of Norwegian fans at Citi Field regardless of the Mets’ performance: “Those seem like fans who know what the sports thing's all about.” ([31:13])
• Coverage of upcoming soccer matches and the ESPN New York Beach Bash is mentioned, sprinkled with tongue-in-cheek analysis: “Is it fair for the US to have to play two countries at the same time?” ([46:02])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Michael Kay:
  • “The Mets are going to drive me to weed.” ([11:13])
  • “That’s not cursed. That’s just dumb.” ([15:43])
  • “All the things that Brunson did at Villanova ... meant nothing to these general managers because it was all the analytics ... instead of looking at the damn games.” ([08:53])
• Peter Rosenberg:
  • “So you're not out—you’re out on Danhausen. But you admit you do love human monies.” ([25:57])
  • “I texted Danhausen, how much is needed to end the Mets curse... His response was 2 mil. I'll sully my curse.” ([46:16])
• Caller Kevin:
  • “No, to answer your question, it’s no. The Knicks... but the Mets, I think just the expectation...” ([20:00])
• Michael Kay (on classic sports moments):
  • “The Buckner play … that's going to live forever.” ([39:05])
  • “History is not going to remember game five. ...If you say Game Six, you think Mets, Red Sox.” ([39:01])
• Rosenberg (on curses):
  • “The curse was bad ownership. That was the curse.” ([21:38])

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Recommended Timestamps

• NBA Draft is a Crapshoot: [01:59]–[10:26]
• NY "Curses" vs. Incompetence Debate: [13:00]–[22:35]
• Danhausen "Cursing" Segment: [24:15]–[29:19]; [46:10]–[49:41]
• Sports Iconic Moments/Naming: [37:17]–[42:44]
• Mets Front Office Talk: [31:27]–[36:38]

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This episode delivers classic New York sports talk: passionate, sometimes exasperated, always hilarious, and deeply invested in the emotional rollercoaster of fandom—plus, an epic running gag about uncurse fees from the world of pro wrestling.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Michael Kay]

Mets lost game one of the doubleheader with the Cubs 10. Now 11 games under.500. They'll play game two tonight at seven. So coverage right here will begin at 6:30 after us on 8:80. Day two of the NBA draft hosted by Alan Hahn. That's why he's not here today. Can be heard on 1050 at 7:30. And the Yankees will close their series with the Tigers at 6:40 Tullamore due. The original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew, honey. Tonight during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore due responsibly. We want to welcome everybody who's now joined us here on 880 after the Mets coverage of their 10 to 3 loss. You missed a lot. We talked about Lollipop Gate. We just had a very interesting five minute conversation about the last five Edmonton Oiler coaches. And if you don't know why that

[Peter Rosenberg]

now you know you missed out.

[Michael Kay]

Go check out their names. I will, I will. I'll. I'll do it again. Just so you can feel like you were caught up on what's going on in the world.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Shout out to my guy, Ethan Goldstein, who I met last week, great kid who said, he said Boston Celtic quote legend being a little bit sarcastic. Isaiah Thomas as a nice honorable mention for a second round pick.

[Michael Kay]

He had a moment by the Sacramento Kings. He was an honorable Benji too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He had a run, made some money.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, it was Ken Hitchcock, Dave Tippett, Joe Woodcroft, Chris Knobloch and Mike Babcock. So now you can have a snicker to yourself on the car ride home. The second round of the draft. Really the only thing coming out of the draft for me is just, you know, the Knicks trying to Create cap space by, by unloading their picks and moving back down to the second round. Because you save over $3 million in cap space by not making a selection in the first round. So that's just smart because they want to try to keep this team intact. And we talked a lot yesterday about how they now have the target on their back. And now teams are wondering how are we going to be the Knicks? Because the way to build, and maybe it still is though, the two ways to build in the NBA, trust the process like the Sixers and Tank and get great players through the draft, do it that way. I don't think that works. Or try to build a super team. And that has not worked either to the clip that people believe those are the easy cheat code ways to do it. The way the Knicks did it was, was a hard grind of, of trading picks, crafty free agent signings. Yeah, a little luck. Because they didn't think Brunson was going to become Brunson when they got him, but he did. And now I think it's always a copycat league. Right. In sports. So teams now look at how can we beat the Knicks, how can we become the Knicks? And that's hard to go out there and do in one year. Right. You gotta, you gotta be able to be patient and have make the right decisions. So we'll see if teams are going to try to do that. And probably most frustrating thing about the draft yesterday, Peter, is that you've got guys going up wearing the hat of the team that drafted them when the reports are already they've been traded. So it's like fantasy land because we're so good now at reporting things and these signings can't be announced officially until later. It just seems Peter and I are on the same page. Drafts just don't do it for us because I like to have at least a little knowledge. Like I think the folly of the draft is that when a draft is made, the media will give you the winners and losers of the draft. Before these ever, ever dribbled a basketball, threw a football or anything. Winners and losers. And then you get the fans like ripping into the. As if, you know, I don't care how much college basketball you watch. How do you know that that player is or is not going to be a great selection? I know we don't trust general managers. I just was beating up David Stearns about, you know, building a crappy Mets team. But you know, these guys jobs are on the line. They're drafting with a lot more information than you do on who's the right guy, who's the wrong guy. It is a complete crapshoot. So for something that's a crapshoot, why are people so invested in it when you have no idea? I just gave you a list of five guys that were drafted in the second round that were, that were all NBA players. One of them went to the hall of Fame. Brunson will go to the hall of Fame. Joker is going to the hall of Fame, drafted in the second round. Every team in the NBA passed on him in the first round. So didn't that show you, Peter, what a crapshoot the draft is? And yet for some reason, people are just fascinated by it. I like to be fascinated by things I feel like I got a fighting chance to know about. Right. Because I watch it, I study it during the course of the season. I think I'm knowledgeable enough to have an opinion on it. Maybe there are people like John Rothstein that watches every second of every college basketball game. Maybe he could be somebody that would be a little bit more educated on it. But a guy that you watch for five minutes on YouTube, now all of a sudden you want to jump off a bridge because your team didn't draft him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's. But that's why I all when. When we get into it about. Around more, you know, more notably the NFL draft. That's why I don't listen. There are people like Ballard who spend the entire off season studying. He's getting the books. It's a double whammy, I guess, for him. He's number one obsessed. This is other fans too, I think. Number one obsessed with the, with, with his team and number two, obsessed with fantasy. Right. So people want to know all the possible stuff. It's not for me. I'm not a fantasy guy. And I just, I consume the players once they're on my team. But I, I do. I just. I don't. It's not for me.

[Michael Kay]

Well, the thing is. And I'm not going to pick on Ballard. But you brought up his name. What, what's his winning percentage? Ballard on these opinions?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I can tell you his winning percentages on fantasy. And it's not, it's not extremely high, but. But no, I'm getting it, right. Yeah, you know, it depends. You know, he told me I would love. I remember a couple years ago when the, when the Commanders drafted Mikey Sander, still, he was like, you're going to love Mikey Sanders still. I've really liked him so far. He's been really good. But Guess what? We're two years in and the jury is out on whether or not he's a stud.

[Michael Kay]

But I'd love to know the winning percentages of all these people that are telling you that the Nets are, you know, ripping the Nets for who they drafted. Like, look at Mel Kuiper. We respect Mel Kyber. What's his winning percentage? Probably maybe over 50% because of the work that he does. But even all the work that he does, it's such a crapshoot. And for me, when it's that arbitrary, that's why I've never been a gambler, because it just feels so arbitrary. The wins and the losses, no matter how much work, how much knowledge you have, it's still like the greatest gamblers in the world are only looking at, what, like a 55 winning percentage, right? So it's like, if it's that much of a crapshoot, I end up losing interest. Like, I put all the work into it, and it just, you know, throwing a dart at the dartboard with your eyes closed and just hoping to hit bullseye. And I know there's a lot more science to it if you are a general manager and your job is on the line. But even for them, with all the information, all the Wonderlic tests, all of the combine information, you just never know. And it all comes down to the analytics anyway, because they're going to tell you, I'm sorry, I can't draft Brunson in the first round. He's too small. Because history tells you you don't win with that small of a guard. So we're not going to draft him. And that's still. That's not going to change because you're not going to draft somebody on the rogue chance that he might be great. So all the things that Brunson did at Villanova, all the clutch shots, the two national championships, meant nothing to these general managers because it was all the analytics. How big he is? Does he do this? Does he do that instead of looking at the damn games? Same thing that frustrates me in the NFL with the draft. Didn't matter if you win a national championship. Doesn't matter how clutch you were, how tall are you, how high can you jump, how fast can you run the 50 yard dash? Because that's the safe way to keep your job, Peter. Because when that player turns out to be a bust, you could say, I understand that, but the reason I should keep my job is he checked all the boxes and he just didn't work out. Blame the player I'm going to draft that guy every time because these are the things that we're looking for. Height, speed. If a guy goes out there and, and doesn't check those boxes, but he just feels like a winner, he feels like he's clutch. He feels like that this is a guy that's going to be able to handle the pressure of going out there and representing a professional team and helping us win a championship. If you're wrong about that guy, Peter, you'll lose your job because he didn't check the boxes. So everybody's just trying to save their ass. Nobody's going out there on a limb. Like, that's why I respect Ernie. Of course he. With Eli Manning. He watched Eli Manning. He went to Ole Miss and he said, there's something about this guy. He's a winner. He's going to be able to handle New York. I think he'll be an NFL player. And he was right because he went with his gut because he. Because that's what wins, Peter. Jalen Brunson should have been the first pick in that draft, but he didn't check all the boxes. So he ended up dropping to the second round by the Mavs. And the Mavs didn't see it. And then eventually it comes out and look how clutch he is. Tell me you wouldn't want. Everybody would want Jalen Brunson on their team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course.

[Michael Kay]

But nobody's got the guts to go and pick that guy because what they think he might do, it's all just the safe check the stupid analytic boxes. It's like that. What was that? The rookie, the 40 year old that ended up getting drafted by the Tampa Bay Rays or whatever. And the quote from the scout was, if I don't report to them that there's a guy that can throw 96 miles per hour, I'll lose my job. So it doesn't matter. Does he hit the corner? It doesn't matter if he's got. If he's savvy enough to get out of jams. Like when he throws 96 mph drafting. But you know what? Sanga was throwing 98 last night and the ball was going out even faster.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about that? Isn't that the Mets though?

[Michael Kay]

The Mets. What I said before, in case you missed it, for those of you joining us on 880, the Mets are going to drive me to weed.

[Commercial Announcer 1]

Weed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot of things you said a lot of things. That was.

[Michael Kay]

But the thing is that it's so easy to say that the jets drought of 58 years is worse than the Mets that the Knicks drought of 53 years before they broke it this year, worse than the Mets. Mets have only gone 40 years. The Mets have been to two World Series since then. They disappoint you more than any other team in New York. Constantly tell me I'm wrong. Call me and tell me that the jets or the Islanders or the Rangers or any of these other teams have disappointed you the way Mets. How many seasons have we gone in? Watch out for the Mets guys predicting, oh, watch out the Mets. I think the Mets are going to win the division. Mets are going to go to the playoffs and then just not even come close. Books have been written about it. Yeah, the jets have stunk for years, but how many times have they just grossly disappointed you? Yes, with Aaron Rodgers, but his Achilles went. Yes, with Brett Favre, but his shoulder went or his elbow, I don't remember. Of course every franchise disappoints their fan base. But do they disappoint you to the level and to the multitude of times the way the Mets have? And the answer is no. It's they're special.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're special.

[Michael Kay]

They are very special. 1-800-919-3776 is how special they are. We want to hear from you on what you think about what I just said. Let's go to Daniel in Florida. You're on ESPN New York. How are you, Daniel?

[Caller Daniel]

I'm doing well, Don. Thank you for taking my call.

[Michael Kay]

You got it.

[Caller Daniel]

The New York Mets are cursed. And it starts with the 1986 season. It was a magical run. And this is from my experience as a 12 year old boy watching them. I'd never seen anything like that. I didn't care to watch anything about baseball. I played baseball. But from 84 I started watching the New York Mets after they went on that magical run. Ray Knight gone. The one that hurt me the most as a kid, Evan Mitchell, traded for Kevin McNuffin burger.

[Michael Kay]

Kevin McReynolds, he hated new York.

[Caller Daniel]

It will put me to sleep. Me personally, when I was all see McReynolds bat boring. It's been a slow drip since 86. There's no forever Mets. And to me as a kid, it started as me loving that team. And I still know those players to this day, the 86 team. So it introduced me to business baseball, the New York Mets style, where it's like there's no loyalty to the Mets players or the fan base.

[Caller Kevin]

Don.

[Michael Kay]

Well, I will. See, this is where I'll disagree with You, Daniel. And thank you for the phone call. The way you just described it, you're not cursed. You still know what you're doing. You're not cursed when you decide, I don't want to give an extra $200,000 to Ray Knight, my World Series MVP, and let him sign in Baltimore. You're not cursed when you decide, I think I could do better than Pete Alonso. You're not cursed when you sign Vince Coleman and Brett Saberhagen and Bobby Bonilla and those guys don't work out. Those are bad decisions, right? Peter, that's not cur. Cursed is when your super bowl winning quarterback blows out his Achilles four plays in.

[Caller Daniel]

That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the ultimate.

[Michael Kay]

When Vinny Testaverde gets hurt on opening day in 1999 after you went to the championship game the year before, that's cursed. When Brett Favre gets hurt, you're eight and three and finish eight and eight. That's cursed. That's. Man, can I catch a break. But when you decide to be cheap and not pay Ray Knight, when you decide that, oh, Pete Alonso wants too many years, I'm gonna let him go. I'm gonna let Nimmo go, I'm gonna let McNeil go, I'm gonna let Diaz go and think I could do better getting a bunch of players that never accomplished anything but just, you know, checking analytics.

[Caller Kevin]

Box.

[Michael Kay]

Peter, that's not cursed. That's just dumb.

[Peter Rosenberg]

God, it really is. It's funny you bring that up, too, because I think Mets fans were pretty reasonable last off season about losing these, like, very, you know, very, very homegrown, home loved guys, I think. I think Mets fans were generally like, hey, we're trusting the process here. Even with Pete, we didn't see a lot of yelling and screaming about it. Nimmo was very much a Met. And I think everyone's like, all right, man, you know, we're making moves here. This is what it is to be a big boy franchise and to see them just get it this wrong, it's just crazy.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, it's not cursed. It's incompetence. You make the choices. If you cross the street and a meteor hits you in the head, that's bad luck. If you decide, I'm just gonna run across the highway and not look, that's on you. And the McReynolds thing, too. You know why they got rid of Kevin Mitchell? Because he was at a gang when he was younger. They thought he was trouble. They thought he was going to get himself in trouble in New York. So let's trade him. Let's bring in Kevin McReynolds. Didn't do the homework on him, realized that he was not. He was in San Diego, he was not a New York guy. Didn't like the criticism, didn't live up to the expectations and was okay, not great. That's a miscalculation by Frank Cashin. That's not that, that's not cursed. That's just not reading the room. Johnny and Charlotte, you're on. Don Hanna, Rosenberg.

[Caller Daniel]

Peter.

[Caller Johnny]

Don, thank you for taking my call. First a long time.

[Commercial Announcer 1]

What do you got?

[Caller Johnny]

I. I couldn't help but wonder what the parade would be like if the Mets were ever to win a World Series. So I was just wondering if you could lend me your thoughts. Do you think it'll be just as big or just as crazy as the Knicks?

[Caller Daniel]

It's.

[Caller Johnny]

It's hard Nick parade that we just had.

[Michael Kay]

Listen, I saw the parade in 86 and it was a big deal. I had nothing to compare it to and I'd have to go back and see what the numbers were and all that. It would be a big deal. But like we talked about during the Knicks run, Johnny, is that there are more Yankee fans who aren't going to care that the Mets won. So the question is, are there more Met fans than Nick fans? And I don't know the answer to that. I would think there are more Nick fans than Met fans, but I can't imagine anything crazier than what we saw last Thursday. I can't believe, Peter, that it's going to be a week since the parade tomorrow. Like how time flies. And Johnny, thank you for the phone call. But will the drought last as long? I mean, why would my answer be no? You know, it's going to be 41 years. If they don't win the World Series and they're not this year, then we're talking about 41. They're creeping closer and closer. It doesn't feel like it's something that's inevitable. It feels like especially Peter, if they, if they fire Stearns, you're starting all over again. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Will The Mets hit 53 is a great question. And man, that makes me feel old

[Michael Kay]

that there would be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There could be a 53 year drought and I would be one of the people that. Who so remembers the last time they won it. Listen, you certainly remember you were 18 years old.

[Michael Kay]

I was 18 years old. It was right. My wheelhouse. But you know, I'm not going to bet against it, Peter, you know, right now it feels like it's inevitable. It's going to happen. Kevin and Queens are on espn.

[Caller Kevin]

New York. Hey, what's going on, guys? Thanks for taking the call. Missing Han, but you guys are holding it down, man. You know, as usual. Yeah, listen, Die. You make a good point about, you know, who's more disappointing. Franchise, definitely. I mean, I'm biased. I'm a Mets fan, but I'm also Jets fan, also Knicks fan. But I agree with you. I think the expectations that the Mets have had throughout their history definitely lends themselves to win this. Who's the most disappointing or frustrating?

[Michael Kay]

You're the perfect person, Kevin, because you're a fan of all three of those teams. Have the Knicks and Jets disappointed you in your lifetime as much as the Mets have? I think the Knicks.

[Caller Kevin]

No, to answer your question, it's no. The Knicks. The Knicks really had, you know, we talked about it. You guys have talked about it on end. Everybody, you know, since the run, the Knicks had a pretty rough drought of like two decades and plus. Right. With just, you know, bad. It was just bad. Right. Laughing stock of the NBA. But the biggest difference is to what the last caller said. I think there's just more Knicks fans is because the Knicks have been the number one team, the only team in the city. I mean, I know the Knicks have been here for a while, but let's keep it real. Is a Nicktown is New York City Mecca basketball. So. But the Mets, I think just the expectation. I think with the Knicks being the only team in the city, I think there has been some expectation. Right. And I think that's why you, you know, you got to sell out crowds. Right. It's just a Mecca basketball. We're going to go to those games. But I'm biased. The meth are my favorite team. I love baseball and they just been frustrated, man. The expectations. We're spending money. We're not, you know, bad decisions. I agree with you.

[Caller Daniel]

It's.

[Caller Kevin]

It's incompetence. It's bad decisions. It's not cursed. Right. Curse to me is like Pedro Martinez falling down the steps. Right. What was it? 06 and missing the playoffs run. Right. Like that's like, like why, you know, I mean, like he had to slip.

[Michael Kay]

You're probably too young to remember. Bobby Ojeda was trimming the hedges and cut off a piece of his finger and wasn't available for the 88 playoffs. Like, you know, crazy stuff. Listen, I don't believe.

[Caller Kevin]

I don't know.

[Michael Kay]

Peter, do you believe in curses or is it Just it's good luck versus bad luck. You know, is it a curse or just, you know, it's incompetence. But, you know, there's also just, you know, there's just people. Some people, some franchises think just can't catch a break. You know what I mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's, I think, the reality delineating the difference there is very tough. Right. Like which teams are cursed. Which, like, because I was, you know, living. I believed in curse for a very long time, I think most commanders fans feel that it's over. But I suppose, you know, if it didn't work out with Jaden Daniels, for some reason, there are people who believe, no, we're still cursed. We're never getting out of it. Whereas I chose to believe it was just. It wasn't to your point, Don, it wasn't a curse. The curse was bad ownership. That was the curse. You are not good because the leadership at the top is really bad. But, like, is Cleveland cursed or have they just been bad? Their fans would probably tell you curse us on the outside with some objectivity who have watched it can probably figure out more directly why it looks like they've been perennially bad.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, I just think most of the time it's just that you've just had a string of people running your organization that just weren't good at it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And bad be gets bad.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, well, because it also. What bad does Peter is, I think, hasten your. Your. Your decisions. May it lends to you making even worse mistakes. You make bad decisions when you like, we got to win. We must win. We got to make it for what happened. So we've got to do this like it. It just lends to desperation in your decision making because you've gone so long without a championship. Because sometimes you just need patience. But how do you tell a fan base that hasn't won in decades? I just need you to be a little bit more patient. Just give us another five years. I'm telling you, it's gonna be worth it. And then 5 becomes 10, 10 becomes 20, 20 becomes 40, and it's like it never seems to end. Where other franchises who win on a key like the Giants, they win. The Giants, a perfect example of good and bad, right where. Yeah, it's been embarrassing to be a Giant fan over the last decade, but you've run somewhat more recently, so you don't feel as desperate to make the decisions that the jets might feel like. Would the jets have made the Aaron Rodgers decision the way the Giants make that decision? When the jets no, because the jets felt like it's been. It's been 50 plus years. We got to do something. Like, the Giants wouldn't feel that kind of desperation because they had won a lot more recently. So you see how the losing forces you into doing things a little bit more desperate. And when is desperate ever a good thing? When have you made the best decisions under that kind of adversity? It's tough. Losing begets losing, and it just becomes a runaway train.

[Caller Jacob]

We had a call that couldn't stay on hold. Yeah, but, Peter, this might hurt Don, so I'm just going to talk to you. He could still hear, but you know how this goes. Do you put a call in, Peter, to your good friend at wwe? Kind of good with the whole person and. Oh, do we. Do we solve the Mets problem?

[Michael Kay]

Well, I didn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Didn't Danhausen once uncurse the Mets?

[Caller Jacob]

Did he?

[Michael Kay]

I think he already should let anybody know that because then it would be terrible.

[Caller Daniel]

Or it's.

[Caller Jacob]

Or it's just that he can't even. He can't do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

I mean, you can look at it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's multiple ways that he couldn't do anything wrong in the NBA playoffs, but uncursing the Mets does nothing.

[Michael Kay]

Well, he uncursed the Devils, so we'll see what happens this year. All right, listen, I'll be willing to listen to him if for nothing to kind of put this to rest, because if he can. If he can undo this after. Undoing what?

[Caller Daniel]

The.

[Michael Kay]

With the Knicks, well, then I'd have to be on board. Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have to.

[Michael Kay]

So let's see if he's willing to uncurse the Mets. You got his contact information? I know my brother does. We'll do it. Let's put. Let's see if.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm pretty sure they're uncursed already.

[Caller Daniel]

And.

[Michael Kay]

But. And I want to hear it for myself because. Because that might just be a way to get cameos your team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm pretty sure it's on Twitter.

[Michael Kay]

I will uncurse your high school's basketball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he will. For human monies. That's what he does.

[Michael Kay]

Well, I'm not gonna pay him a dime, and I know this station won't, so that. That'll be the. That's the rub, right? He'll come on and uncurse the men. Free for free for human monies. I love that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're not out. You're out on Danhausen. But you do love. But you admit you do love human monies.

[Michael Kay]

Listen, I Don't mind him. I just didn't want to give him any credit for what the Knicks did. I thought that was disrespectful to the Knicks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get it, I get it.

[Michael Kay]

But the Mets, it's. If he could do this, that's enough heavy lifting. That I'll. I'll have to say. You know what?

[Caller Jacob]

Oh, oh, we have. We have. Jacob has the info. Hang on. Everybody calm down. Danhausen did indeed uncurse the Mets, but he never received his payment, so there was no human monies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, that. Well, that's it. I'm going to confirm right now.

[Michael Kay]

All right, if nothing else, Peter, use your connections to find out exactly how much.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's see if he. If he can reply to my text without human monies being exchanged.

[Michael Kay]

All right, well, I'll find out how much it is. If it's 10 bucks, you know, I'll throw in. If we're talking thousands or millions, then I think he's out of luck. And the Mets are out of luck.

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[Caller Jacob]

That's nice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I said, is it true you uncursed the Mets but never received human monies? This is being discussed right now as we speak. He said, yes. I said, how much is needed? The Mets have major problems. I have not yet received an answer.

[Michael Kay]

He must have, you know, people calculating how much that might be worth, and I don't think we're going to be able to afford it, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know. I wonder. I wonder if he could. Like, they should start a GoFundMe to raise enough money to get the Mets on cursed. Because, I mean, today to see the Norwegian fans celebrating and having a huge party and doing the whole log ship as the team's just getting trounced.

[Caller Jacob]

See, that's a proper time for boat race.

[Caller Johnny]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, now you talk about boat race.

[Michael Kay]

That's a boat race.

[Caller Kevin]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. The Norwegians were having a ton of fun at Citi Field. Beautiful day. And maybe they don't know the rules. They don't care. Or they. Maybe they're Cub fans, too.

[Caller Kevin]

I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, they just don't care. I mean, they're just there to have a fight.

[Michael Kay]

Now, is Norway a threat? Peter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Norway's a, you know, they're pretty good team. Let's see, Norway odds. Norway World cup odds. Norway's odds were roughly. They were. They'd sit at plus 3,000. They're in the top 10 contenders. Erling Holland is their stud player. And their odds apparently went up during their qualifying campaign in which they look great. They're now considered an elite dark horse, but not a favorite.

[Michael Kay]

Well, Matt Succarello, Anthony Wright's Getting excited, I'm sure.

[Caller Jacob]

Yeah, they go away.

[Michael Kay]

I don't know. I just like the fun that they're having.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Those seem like fans who know what the sports things all about.

[Michael Kay]

1-800-919-3776. Let's dive back into the phones. Talk to Gabe in Morristown. You're on ESPN New York.

[Caller Daniel]

Hey, guys, thank you for taking my call. Yeah, I was just wondering, at what point does Steve Cohen fire David Sterns? Because the only time they really won was with Billy Epler's team. Anyway.

[Michael Kay]

Well, there's two schools of thought. Like, usually you don't see general managers get fired in the middle of a year because it usually doesn't do anything. On the other side of it, though, if, let's say he said, I don't think this guy's long for this job, do you want him to then deal players at the deadline? Like, if you think that he's incompetent, deserves to be fired, then I would think you'd want to bring in somebody to make those deals and not have him make the deals. Because clearly the Mets are going to be sellers. But there's deals to be made for the future. And then you don't want to hire a general manager who's going to come in and go, boy, I wouldn't have made those deals. I would have made different deals. The problem, Gabe, is that I don't think Cohen's gonna let him go because he waited so long for him. It was like waiting for Godot, as Michael would say, until his contract was up in Milwaukee. I don't think he's gonna cut bait this quickly, but. And thank you for the call, Gabe. I don't see anybody else at fault but him. This isn't inheriting a bad team. He made this team. But Peter, I already know what's going to. Oh, we played half the year without Lindor. Soto is in and out of the lineup. You know, it's going to be a bunch of excuses. I don't think he's going anywhere. And what they're most likely going to do to appease the fans at some point, especially if this completely goes sideways, which you can make the case already has, they'll fire Mendoza and that will appease the fans for a little bit and then they'll move on. But it just feels like to me, not firing Mendoza when they could have. Remember when Philadelphia had the same record the Mets did when they fired Thompson and brought him Mattingly? And Now Philadelphia's in second place and in the playoffs about 10 games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they look like they're, they're doing something right.

[Michael Kay]

So the Mets had their chance to kind of do that. If they thought it was the manager's fault, they didn't. But somebody's gonna have to take the blame for this. If this ends up being a 70 win team, Peter, somebody's gonna have to take the blame for it. And I think the Met fans are educated enough to say I don't think this is on Mendoza, but will he cut ties with a general manager he waited forever for?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then what happens? You get rid of the general manager and keep the manager.

[Michael Kay]

Well, we do see that in sports now, right, because they're two completely different entities. But remember, because Mendoza did take this team to game six of the league Championship series, but he also was a part of a collapse last year which ended up expediating all these guys getting moved to now a team that's going to most likely, I would think finish under.500 worse than they were last year. It's. You followed up a great run with two non playoff seasons and he may. And we all blamed the previous regime for. All right, well, we stuck with Alonzo one more year than I think Stearns wanted to because he hit the home run off of Devin Williams in the Milwaukee series. They finished with 83 wins and out the door all these guys went. And now you follow it up with a team that's even worse. But here's the thing that might save Stearns is that one of the reasons he didn't want. He's not a believer in locking into long term deals.

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[Michael Kay]

He didn't like Pete Alonso, mainly because Pete was going to want a long term deal. He wasn't willing to give him five years. He wasn't willing to give Diaz extra money. He stayed with contracts that aren't very long, which actually puts them in a pretty decent position. If we have a long lockout and they come back from that lockout with a hard cap, the Mets will actually be in a better position because they can get out of some of these deals and they can replenish the roster with a known cap. Where other teams who are stuck in long term contracts might not be able to have the same maneuverability and that might end up making Stearns look better and he ends up keeping his job. So let's see what ends up happening this offseason. They're probably not going to bring in anybody until they know they're going to have a season. So that might be what keeps him around because his incompetency might actually put the Mets in a better position in a capped world. Or at least that's what the excuse Cohen will have for not banging. We'll see Danny on Long Island. Always fun to talk to you. Where you been man? It's been a while.

[Caller Johnny]

So my AM I led to believe that today was a day night double header at Citi Field since there was three hours off between games that they actually convinced two different sets of people to pay to come in watch the team for a double header where I get to see the team crap their pants twice for the price of once. But two separate they cleaned up all the vomit from this afternoon's game and now we're going to redo it again. That's unbelievable. It just goes to show what a PT Barnum say is a full born every minute.

[Michael Kay]

Well let's not forget Danny, they are playing the Cubs and the Cubs do travel well saw a lot of Cub fans at the game earlier today so I think it's just because it's a marquee matchups the only time the Cubs come in. They do kind of have a national following. They're good team. I wonder if they would have done this if it was the Marlins.

[Caller Johnny]

I don't know. I'm just every day more and more grateful for the Knicks run that took away the first 70 games of the season. And my new, my new, my new advice with all the money Peter won me on the Knicks is that I bet. I bet the over on the run scored for the team the Mets are playing not the total for the game because that would involve the Met having to score some runs as well.

[Caller Daniel]

Right?

[Caller Johnny]

I just bet the four. I just bet Chicago to score four and a half. Chicago to score four today. Boom. Okay, fourth inning. Thank you. Done. And a happy note. I was very. I was enjoying the conversation the other day about like what was a bigger comeback or what was a bigger moment. The OG tip in or the Buckner play. And you really can't compare different things. But I like to just say that the picture of the moment I'm not taking into account, you know, what was a greater comeback, what was a better team. But the picture of the tip in captures the. The emotion and the beauty of the entire win because that was the moment that they took first of all incredible comeback and then a 3 to 1 lead which basically wrapped up the series. So one picture encapsulated the entire series. That was it. Just like the picture of Buckner standing behind first base crestfall. I'd also throw into My life, I would say Bobby Nystrom with his hands raised, having just scored a overtime winning Stanley cup goal. That, that picture that, you know is on my wall for 40 years now. It's, it's, it's, it looks like a Civil War picture now. That's how long it's been since the Islands have won a Stanley Cup. And I would say Tyrese, catch, Tyrese catch. Because the moment belongs to Tyree. Even though Eli did a little escapism there, it was really just a prayer heaved on the field. The moment belonged to Tyree. So that moment, that catch, that picture of him with the ball press that, that encapsulates the entire comeback, the game. It's the picture.

[Michael Kay]

It's, it's. Or flying through the air with the overtime goal against the Blues. It's there, there, there are moments. But the reason why it's comparable to the Buckner play, Peter, is it made the clinching game almost irrelevant.

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[Michael Kay]

History is not going to remember game five. History is going to remember game four.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep, I totally agree.

[Michael Kay]

And the same thing with the Mets World Series as captivating as game seven was and won and the Mets were home and all that. And Straw hit a home run. Ray Knight hit a home run. It's, it's irrelevant to history. It's all about game six. Game six. If you say game six, you think Mets, Red Sox. That's how relevant that is. That years later, Buckner is on Curb youb Enthusiasm. You know, like it's. That was a joke, Peter. In Curb youb Enthusiasm, the game was like at the time. What was it like 35 years prior? It still was a funny joke that people got. And that wasn't even the clinching game. The Buckner play is. That's going to live forever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you think it'll be called when people talk about it forever? Will it be the tip in?

[Michael Kay]

Well, it seemed like in the moment it was the Hand of God. That's what people were calling it. Now, I don't know if history will name it. We don't always name things. Like it's the helmet catch. We could have done better than the helmet catch with Tyree. Hand of God seems better, right? Unless that's being.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but, but that's a rip off though. Yeah, I mean that's, that's, that's the Maradona ripoff though.

[Michael Kay]

That is true. We need, you know what we need? A Raider fan. Nobody names things better than Raider fans. It's. Remember the. You maybe not remember, but you've heard about The Raiders winning a game when Stabler gets sacks, fumbles the football into the end zone and it's recovered by the Raiders and they win a playoff game. It's now an illegal play, but then it was legal. It's called the Holy Roller game. They won a playoff game against the Miami Dolphins where it was just a. It was just a desperation throw. And Casper jumps up and grabs it among a bunch of hands trying to deflect it away. They call it the Sea of Hands game. Like, they're very poetic with their game. We need them to try to name something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But then they also have the Tuck rule game.

[Michael Kay]

Not great, but. Well, they lost that game, right?

[Don Hahn]

They did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But like, they still, I think, refer to it as Right.

[Michael Kay]

But the other game that they lost, which is also aptly named, is the Immaculate Reception, and that's a pretty great one. And that was a loss too, so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I just wonder whether the average Knick fan, when they say, where were you for it? Might just be game four because. Because it's more than the tip, right? It is the whole comeback and then the tip.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but it's not just the Buckner play. The. The Mets congratulated the Red Sox on the Jumbotron before the play. The series was over. What hurts the game four thing is that the Knicks are up three one of the. They had lost the game. They're still up. They're still up three. They're still up three. Well, no, at the time it was up to one made.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It would have been two.

[Caller Johnny]

Two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It would have been.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, it changes everything, but not to the point where, you know, the Mets were resigned to the fact that they lost the series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Although I will say now, looking back, the Knicks lose, especially when it was a blowout. If they had never made the comeback and they just lost by 35, beaten from pillar to post in game.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do not like them in that series.

[Michael Kay]

No. If they. If that happened. But if. If the ball doesn't go, if the hand of God play doesn't happen, the comeback still happened.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come back still.

[Michael Kay]

And I still think there could have been momentum gained from that. But I think you're right. If they were blown out in that game and never came back, different story. I still think they could have won the series had that ball not gone in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Agree. I actually texted that to people. I texted a few people. I said, win, lose or draw.

[Michael Kay]

I think this was really important that they came back exact same way as,

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I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

A Turkey A.

[Michael Kay]

So it looks like when they get play they're going to play Bosnia Hers Covina.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it was already meaningless for us.

[Caller Daniel]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, no. It was pretty Much meaningless now. Anthony, is this a done deal?

[Caller Jacob]

They say there's a 99.9% chance. I think there's like gold differentials that could factor in, but it's looking like more likely than not they'll be playing Bosnia in the round of 32.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Bosnia looked pretty good today.

[Caller Jacob]

And Herzegovina also.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah. And you can't sleep on Herznzi. You can't go to sleep on Herzgovinia.

[Michael Kay]

It's fair. Is it fair for the US to have to play two countries at the same time in order to. It seems very unfair.

[Caller Jacob]

Fair question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a. You know what you're saying? It's a fair question. Now I've gotten a follow up answer from Danhausen. This is big news, by the way.

[Michael Kay]

We should have led with this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sorry, I said to Danhausen, how much is needed to end the Mets curse. They have major problems. His response was 2 mil. I'll sully my curse. In other words, Danhausen knows how bad this team is. So he needs a massive amount of money because he knows the huge risk he's taking to his overall cursing and uncursing to even be in business with the Mets. That's how powerful the curse is.

[Michael Kay]

Let me ask you something. I don't want to get into. Like, you know, how much is he really? We just heard that what's his name is now a trillionaire.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Elon Musk.

[Michael Kay]

In theory, yeah, but that's what I'm saying. That's in theory. But he's, he's very rich. Like let's say he was a huge Met fan. Would it be worth it to him to throw $2 million at Danhausen to uncurse the Mets? Like for a trillionaire, let's just say that's in real money. Like it's. He's worth that. Why even go there?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why not? Why, why bother with. Why don't you just go to Steve

[Michael Kay]

Cohen, who's a real life Steve Cohen? I think that last check was worth $23 billion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's. By the way, it's basically all the same thing at this point. So.

[Michael Kay]

Right. So how much is $2 million to him in our terms? Like $2 million to Steve Cohen is Luis Torrens.

[Caller Kevin]

I.

[Michael Kay]

Right. Well, he was a very good backup catcher, maybe the best backup catcher in baseball. But no, what I'm talking about is what for whatever armor, just say I'm not. But let's say to a millionaire, a guy that's worth a million dollars, what is that in Relation to somebody who's worth $23 billion. Like, if Michael K was going to give the equivalent of $2 million to Steve Cohen, how much would Michael then have to pay? So I guess the better question, since nobody's answering.

[Caller Kevin]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

Because I don't understand is that he's

[Caller Jacob]

saying in like, you know, $10 for us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, okay.

[Caller Johnny]

All right.

[Michael Kay]

Saying what percent $2 million is what percentage of Steve Cohen's.

[Caller Jacob]

I thought I gave a good answer. I gave a $2 million contract on the Mets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I think for first, for him. For Steve Cohen to drop 2 million to Danhausen to uncurse the Mets out of his. How many billion?

[Michael Kay]

23.

[Peter Rosenberg]

23 billion?

[Michael Kay]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I mean, the math is pretty easy, right? A million. A billion is a thousand millions.

[Michael Kay]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's got 23,000 millions and he would be giving away 2 million.

[Caller Kevin]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So 2 over 23,000. That's what he's giving.

[Michael Kay]

Whatever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's that percentage? 2 over. So, Don, it's literally like you giving Danhausen 20 bucks.

[Michael Kay]

And I'd give Danhausen 20 bucks.

[Caller Kevin]

Done.

[Michael Kay]

Curse the meds.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I'm making up the numbers.

[Michael Kay]

I just won't go to sweet percentage.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I need the actual percentage. What is 2,23,000.

[Michael Kay]

You know, Kofi will do the math and probably tweet us during enn, which is coming up next.

[Don Hahn]

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