Hour 3: HoFers & Damien Woody

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: HoFers & Damien Woody

September 25, 2025 | ESPN New York
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Guest: Damien Woody (ESPN NFL Analyst, former NFL lineman)

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Episode Overview

The third hour dives deep into the New York MLB and NFL storylines, featuring lively debate over Hall of Fame credentials for quarterbacks Eli Manning and Russell Wilson, engaging back-and-forth on large families in sports, and a humorous roundtable segment comparing legendary musicians. NFL veteran Damien Woody joins to offer a candid breakdown of the Giants’ quarterback situation, the struggles and outlook for both New York teams, and wider NFL trends.

The tone is classic Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: insightful but unscripted, layered with the wisecracks and irreverent tangents that make the show a favorite with New York sports fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

MLB Wrap: Mets Playoff Race & Fan Attendance

[00:53–05:06]

• The crew tracks the Mets' playoff push, noting the Reds’ big win over the Pirates and the must-win situation for the Mets.
• Discussion about how Cincinnati’s low day-game attendance isn’t unique (“Are you randomly pulling your kids out of school on a Thursday to go to a...?” – Don Hahn, [02:49]).
  • Don and Peter joke about their own childhoods and parents’ priorities with school and baseball.
  • “My parents would sooner kill me than take me out of school.” – Don Hahn, [03:01]
• Conversation turns on how New York crowds, even for mediocre seasons, wouldn’t show up half-heartedly.
• Final Reds-Pirates attendance: “24,249. That’s not bad for a day, two games over 500.” – Don Hahn, [04:48]

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Lighthearted Moment: Sean Alexander’s 14 Children

[05:06–10:24]

• The hosts are stunned by Adam Schefter’s tweet reporting Sean Alexander and wife expecting their 14th child.
  • “It’s the most self-important thing on earth to do.” – Don Hahn, [05:36]
  • “Be fruitful and multiply.” – Rosenberg, [05:44]
• The panel jokes about large family movies (“Cheaper by the Dozen,” “Brady Bunch”), poking fun at the logistics and reality.
• Reflections on the grind of raising many kids, and whether having more makes things easier: “He’s been changing diapers, I think, for like 12 years.” – Don Hahn, [08:26]
• Don gives perspective: “Having to care and worry about that many people just making it in life mentally, yeah, you got to shut it off. That’s a whole community you’re worried about.” – Don Hahn, [09:05]
• Follow-up: Sean Alexander’s NFL earnings only $34 million – less than expected for such a large family.

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Segment: Hall of Fame Debate – Eli Manning vs. Russell Wilson

[10:24–19:02]

• Prompt: Stephen A. Smith’s assertion on “First Take” that if Eli Manning is in the Hall of Fame, Russell Wilson must be too.
  • Clip summary: “Eli... seven winning seasons in 17 years, career .500 record, versus Wilson’s much stronger regular season numbers.”
• The hosts strongly push back on reductionist views:
  • “Going after Eli because of his record as if he’s a starting pitcher... Have we not learned anything from the Giants post-Eli Manning? That maybe it wasn’t Eli losing those games, it was just bad coaching, bad offensive line…” – Peter, [12:21]
  • On overturning Super Bowl argument logic: “Anytime you’ve got to say in any argument ‘if you take out,’ you automatically lose.” – Don Hahn, [13:16]
• Rosenberg: Wilson’s early career benefited from an “all-time defense,” while his later run (last 5 seasons: 23–35) fell off sharply.
  • “He stayed with one franchise…and had to endure through rebuilds and then incompetency. Whereas Russ had…when they had their run and they were done, it fell off because he couldn’t carry them.” – Don Hahn, [14:13–15:21]
• Peter: Wilson’s stats skewed by context, as with Eli’s late-years Giants struggle.
  • “That’s what people say when they don’t watch the game and just look at the stats.” – Peter [16:44]
• Consensus: Both are likely Hall of Famers, but simplistic arguments ("take away his Super Bowls," or just win/loss") are lazy.
  • “Russell Wilson’s a Hall of Famer to me. You watch him, you know it. I don’t need to look into stats.” – Peter, [17:41]

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Nostalgia & Trivia: Curtain Calls and Old Baseball Movies

[19:32–23:02]

• Listener trivia: Two non-Mets (former Mets) who’ve received curtain calls at Shea Stadium—Strawberry (as a Yankee) and Piazza (as a Padre).
• Memories about cheap seats at Shea and underappreciated teams.
• Tangent on classic baseball movies, including “Bang the Drum Slowly” (De Niro as a dying catcher in 1973’s fictional New York Gothams).

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NFL Spotlight: Interview with Damien Woody

[27:16–38:57]

Giants’ QB Decision & Locker Room Dynamics

[27:29–31:46]

• Woody supports starting rookie Jackson Dart for the Giants:
  • “He brings juice... There’s no juice with this offense at all. Outside that mirage against the Cowboys…they really haven’t been able to do much of anything.” – Damien Woody, [27:41]
• Draws parallels to Jets’ O-line when Mark Sanchez was a rookie—veteran linemen protect and help bring a rookie along.

Giants’ Broader Struggles

[31:46–32:16]

• Woody underscores: “You are what your record says you are” (citing Parcells).
• Stresses that the Giants’ defense must step up and reclaim the team identity.

Cowboys & NFC East View

[33:08–34:06]

• Woody: “They’re not going anywhere…not playing defense like that.”
• Dallas’ defensive collapse is holding them back, especially with injuries.

Washington Commanders Injury Woes

[34:06–35:03]

• Concern for Jaden Daniels’ injury from being a mobile QB and for Terry McLaurin, who is “a big element” of their offense.

Jets History & Player Development

[35:31–38:10]

• Woody: Aaron Glenn is paying for years of Jets futility—makes it tough to preach positivity or get time for a real rebuild.
• Both Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold thriving elsewhere is “more about you and less about me” for N.Y. franchises: “More organizations find ways to break you down than to build you up.” – Damien Woody, [37:01]

The Ravens’ Defensive Collapse

[38:10–38:52]

• Woody is “mind-blown” by the Ravens’ woeful defense and warns struggles must be fixed fast.

Farewell

• “Pretty crazy how it can get away from you real early.” – Peter, [38:52]

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NFL Picks, Scheduling Oddities, and More Sports Talk

[43:20–49:01]

• Brief betting talk: Seahawks-Cardinals line, reflections on their own rough gambling starts.
• Overseas games: Pittsburgh-Minnesota in Dublin, extended discussion on teams making back-to-back Europe appearances and travel logistics.
• Lighthearted debate on whether NFL players travel with families, and Euro geography quirks.

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Light Segment: Music Cuddle/Marry/Trash (James Taylor, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen)

[51:21–54:55]

• Listener prompts: Each host must “cuddle, marry, or trash” one of these icons.
  • Rosenberg: Marry Billy Joel, cuddle Springsteen, trash James Taylor (“as much as it hurts”).
  • Don: Marry James Taylor, cuddle Billy Joel, trash Springsteen.
  • Peter: Cuddle James Taylor, marry Billy Joel, trash The Boss.
• Rationales range from depth of favorite songs to “never embarrassed me” artist loyalty.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Giants QB debate:
  "Jackson Dart brings juice... There's no juice with this offense at all. Outside that mirage against the Cowboys..."
  — Damien Woody, [27:41]

• On lazy HoF arguments:
  “Anytime you've got to say in any argument 'if you take out', you automatically lose.”
  — Don Hahn, [13:16]

• On organizational failures with QBs:
  “More organizations find ways to break you down than to build you up.”
  — Damien Woody, [37:01]

• On large families:
  “It’s the most self-important thing on earth to do.”
  — Don Hahn (on having 14 children), [05:36]

• On musical taste:
  "I'm marrying James Taylor. He doesn't have... moments that embarrass me... He'll stay with me forever."
  — Don, [54:10]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:53 – Mets playoff implications, MLB attendance
• 05:06 – Sean Alexander’s family & large family movie banter
• 10:24 – Hall of Fame debate: Eli Manning vs. Russell Wilson
• 19:32 – Curtian call trivia & baseball nostalgia
• 27:16 – Damien Woody joins for Giants, Jets & NFL breakdowns
• 43:20 – NFL lines, European games, and league scheduling
• 51:21 – Music “Cuddle/Marry/Trash” game

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Show’s Signature: Tone & Flow

• Heavy on sarcasm, good-natured ribbing, and deep New York sports familiarity.
• Jump between serious analysis (Hall of Fame, NFL development) and pop culture, nostalgia, and poking fun at themselves.
• Listeners enjoy both hard-hitting sports takes and the unpredictable tangents that play out among three distinct personalities.

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This hour is must-listen for Giants/Jets fans, anyone invested in the Eli vs. Russ HOF debate, or those who want a sampler plate of New York sports wit and wisdom—served with a few laughs and hot takes.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

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[Rosenberg]

Great catch.

[Peter]

So the Reds win. So the Mets have to win. Diamondbacks are getting blown out by the Dodgers so they get a break there. But if the Mets do not win tonight, they will go into the last three games of the season not a playoff team.

[Rosenberg]

Where was that game? The Reds. Reds, Pirates, Cincinnati. Where was the crowd? Did you see the crowd?

[Peter]

Oh, it was a day game.

[Don Hahn]

Stop it.

[Peter]

Wait a minute.

[Don Hahn]

Wait a minute. You can't say that your team is.

[Rosenberg]

Trying to make an epic.

[Peter]

I understand. But you know, first of all the team's two games above.500.

[Rosenberg]

The matter I. You know that what matters right now.

[Peter]

Is getting to the Wait. I would like to defend the fans for a second. I don't know, it looked like it was half full.

[Rosenberg]

All right. Did it. But it's a day.

[Peter]

It's a day game. It's schools open. So yeah. You'd like to see everybody just pull the kids out of school. Let's go. It's Reds. Pirates. I get what you're saying. I'm not shocked.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Peter]

Are you, Peter?

[Don Hahn]

Not shocked at all. Two games over.500 even competing for a playoff spot. Let me ask you. Unless your team was doing magical things, are you randomly pulling your kids out of school on a Thursday to go to a.

[Rosenberg]

It's. I don't know. It just. It seemed.

[Don Hahn]

Was it a one o' clock first pitch?

[Peter]

Well, yeah. Yeah. At the same time? Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, who's. Who's doing that?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. I don't know. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

My parents would sooner kill me but take me out of school.

[Peter]

I think there would be. When have they been City City Field and Yankee Stadium. I think now. It wouldn't be half full.

[Rosenberg]

Sold out. More than likely not. But I do think you'd have. If you had it like, remember, they, they. They stayed in it. Right?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And now they've got a chance in the final week of the season and.

[Peter]

It is the last home game.

[Rosenberg]

There's not some kind of excitement brewing around the town about.

[Peter]

I don't think.

[Rosenberg]

I know. I know they're not. You know. I don't know. The record's not great. The three games over.500. But it's still something. I'm a little surprised.

[Peter]

Like, look, I know but. But behind home plate it looked like it was pretty full. I'd like to see.

[Rosenberg]

Let me get the number.

[Peter]

What the number is.

[Rosenberg]

I'll tell you. Meanwhile, Arizona is getting smoked by the Dodgers. They nothing. Middle of the fifth.

[Peter]

But you know, Mets got to win games. But you know, they win. They'll maintain the one game lead going to Florida and the Panthers. The Florida Marlins have always been. Or the Miami Marlins now Thorne in the Met side, we got tenants.

[Rosenberg]

Let me see.

[Peter]

Got it.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not quite sure where they'd put it.

[Peter]

Usually at the bottom of the box score. But maybe Major League Baseball doesn't do that anymore. I know they used to always do that in the paper.

[Don Hahn]

Ah, the paper.

[Peter]

Remember the paper.

[Don Hahn]

I'm gonna get the paper. Get the paper.

[Peter]

Well, Goodfellows Reverence. That's nice.

[Don Hahn]

That's on there for you.

[Rosenberg]

Reds. Pirates.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, the great Brewers Pirates game.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Well, Reds Charger Ram.

[Peter]

Let's charge you now.

[Rosenberg]

Should we just punt? Am I crazy?

[Peter]

We're punt.

[Don Hahn]

We're going to pull back and punt.

[Rosenberg]

24,249, bottom left corner on the ESPN box score.

[Don Hahn]

24. That's not bad.

[Peter]

That's not bad for a day.

[Don Hahn]

Two games over 500.

[Peter]

And remember, you're not clinching anything. Even if you win the game as they did in dramatic fashion. It's not like if that was to clinch a playoff spot. But it didn't determine anything. Oh, damn it.

[Rosenberg]

What happened?

[Don Hahn]

I'm late for that guy Thursday.

[Peter]

What happened, Adam? So am I, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

Adam Schefter tweeting 44 minutes ago, former NFL MVP Sean Alexander revealed today on up and Adam show that he and his wife are expecting their 14th child.

[Peter]

Well, he can afford it, right?

[Don Hahn]

The can the world.

[Peter]

Well, I don't want to get into a deep. It's a lot for me.

[Don Hahn]

It's. It's just I've got two definition of that guy. I don't care how much fun you think it is and how much you love family.

[Peter]

Oh, it's fun.

[Don Hahn]

It's the most self important. It's the most self important thing on earth to do.

[Rosenberg]

What is that?

[Don Hahn]

Having 14 children.

[Rosenberg]

Be fruitful and multiply.

[Don Hahn]

By the way, I bet there was a dot, dot, dot. But let's be reasonable.

[Rosenberg]

Was there they throw an ellipsis in the Bible.

[Don Hahn]

I think he knew. I think even if you ask what do you think about 14? He'd be like, what are you nuts?

[Rosenberg]

Don used to reference that in previous centuries you'd have 14 because you'd hope at least half of them would make it.

[Don Hahn]

Right. That's it. You were going for 50% or you.

[Rosenberg]

Just needed a lot of people to work in the field. So the more kids you had, the more help, the more work you're getting for your business. Yeah, it's a lot. It's definitely a lot for. I can't judge enough.

[Don Hahn]

I can't. Well, that's the difference.

[Peter]

He laughed at the premise of the Brady Bunch. The Brady Bunch wasn't even halfway there.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he's watching. He's going, this is stupid.

[Rosenberg]

They didn't even make it with each other.

[Damien Woody]

No.

[Don Hahn]

They had three kids who came together.

[Peter]

I gotta see cuz. Was it Cheaper by the dozen?

[Rosenberg]

That was 12.

[Peter]

All right. That's a movie. I don't know if you know, it's back in the 60s.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I know I. Natalie's a fan of the Disney version with Steve Martin.

[Rosenberg]

Steve Martin, Yeah.

[Peter]

Again, a remake because we've completely run out of ideas.

[Don Hahn]

That was. The remake was 30 years ago. Because What?

[Peter]

But we still ran out of ideas.

[Don Hahn]

Well, some things are good concepts, though.

[Peter]

Well, they were, but. But the better movie without even having seen.

[Don Hahn]

You haven't seen the next one.

[Peter]

It's. It's Henry Fonda and Lucille Ball.

[Don Hahn]

Very strong, but okay. Steve Martin, for God's sake. I get.

[Peter]

I love.

[Don Hahn]

They don't give these shots.

[Peter]

Don't make it seem like everything he made was pure gold. Come on, let's be honest.

[Don Hahn]

I know, but you can't. You can't poo poo movie you've never seen before. I'm not going to.

[Peter]

I'm telling you, I'm going to stick with the original. Okay?

[Don Hahn]

It's the same concept.

[Peter]

I'll be that guy. It's Thursday. I could be that guy.

[Don Hahn]

I think it's conceptual.

[Peter]

That was a movie. They said in a movie, just be a wacky.

[Don Hahn]

To be silly. 12 was silly 12.

[Peter]

Still too shy of Sean Alex.

[Don Hahn]

And by the way, and that was in the original. Was what in the 60s.

[Peter]

I want to say 67.

[Don Hahn]

So in 1967, when people didn't know what the hell they were doing, 12 was still outrageous. And they spit at that.

[Peter]

But even that. But even that was the Brady Bunch premise of my kids second marriage. Let's bring them together.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that's what it was.

[Peter]

It wasn't like Lucille Ball had 12 kids.

[Rosenberg]

Right. Blended family.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, in the Steve Martin one. It's not blended.

[Damien Woody]

It's not.

[Don Hahn]

No. They had like a few and then there's a gap and then there's like two sets of twins and like it ends up being.

[Peter]

Just got away from him.

[Don Hahn]

Got away from. He's a football coach. Is Henry Fonda football coach?

[Peter]

No, he's in the military. No, I don't want to confuse it. I think he's in the government work.

[Don Hahn]

Steve Martin's a football coach.

[Rosenberg]

Fun, fun.

[Don Hahn]

Cute little movie. It's the concept of 12. I mean, listen, I see John Winthrop every day and I just stare at him and he doesn't know that I'm thinking this. I just go, what is. What are you doing? How are you doing this right now?

[Rosenberg]

Well, I mean, he's been changing diapers. You don't know how.

[Don Hahn]

Well, no, no, I understand how to get there.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, okay.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know if it would work for me, but I appreciate the effort. But I'm just saying from a. He's been changing diapers, I think for like 12 years. Yeah, basically, something like that.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

People just are. I, I guess get. Teach their own. Get easier. Does it get easier. It must get easier. The first one absorbs so much time that maybe as you add on, it starts.

[Peter]

Well, I joke, and I don't know, because we had them both at the same time. But, you know, the old adage is that like by the second or third kid, they're juggling knives. You don't. It's not that you don't care. It's like you can confirm that.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So can't confirm. Okay.

[Peter]

But the problems as they get older, become different, you know, so it's never easy. You never get out of it, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

That's the part to me that seems really challenging. We're thinking about it as kids, right? And here's the. This is serious. I get it. If I'm gonna be that guy, it's Thursday. To be serious for a moment, though, when they get to teenage and twenties, having to care and worry about that many people just making it in life mentally, yeah, you got to shut it off. That's a whole community you're worried about. I hope they do all right. That's like a teacher worrying about her class, you know, like, it's just a lot to worry about, man. And odds are, let's be real, 14. Something's not working out. You can't. The numbers tell you 14 people aren't all happy and healthy. It does not happen. Sean Alexander. My God.

[Peter]

No, listen.

[Don Hahn]

Hell of a career, though. Hell of a. I mean, it was short run easy for him. His NFL career pales to his, you know, bed career. What he's done after his time on the field.

[Rosenberg]

Prolific.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, he's prolific, right? He's a. He's a. What. What tier running back is Sean Alexander? All time?

[Rosenberg]

Two.

[Don Hahn]

Top of three.

[Peter]

Yeah, something like that. Father. Procreator.

[Don Hahn]

Procreator, though.

[Peter]

Conceiver.

[Don Hahn]

Tier one.

[Peter]

Yeah. He's at the table, right?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah, he's at the table, right?

[Peter]

Procreation table.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he's at one.

[Peter]

All right, let me get some calls. 1-800-919-3776. Damien Woody's gonna be joining us coming up at the bottom of the hour. And I still, I want to be able to carve out some time for the Me being aggravated at Stephen A. Smith.

[Don Hahn]

I have no idea what that's about. That's all very curious.

[Rosenberg]

You don't wanna do that here.

[Don Hahn]

You teased it.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, it is. It's very interesting topic. And your response.

[Peter]

Yeah, let's get it in before Damien.

[Don Hahn]

And then we'll get the calls. He give us this quick and then we'll talk to the people.

[Peter]

All right, this is Stephen A. Smith on first take yesterday. Because it goes off the rails when Russo is there talking about is Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer? And he brings up Eli. Here's what I said yesterday to, to, to three football minds I have profound reverence and respect for. Here's the deal. They asked about Russell Wilson and all I was saying is that Eli Manning was denied that first ballot hall of Fame slot. You're going to look at what happens to him because if he gets in, you can't keep Russell Wilson out.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I was saying.

[Peter]

Here's where I was coming from. Eli Manning does have two Super bowl rings. He played 17 years in the NFL. He, he had a winning season seven times. Okay, that's number one, seven out of 17. Number two, when you look at his record is a career 500, 117 and 117. Russell Wilson is 41 games over.500. The first nine years of his career he had a winning record. He went to as many super bowl appearances and won a chip. When I look at the totality of his resume, I'm saying if you put Eli in, there's no way you can keep him out. That's all I was saying. If you gonna put Eli manning in as a 500 record quarterback, okay, with 10 non winning seasons out of 17, how are you going to ignore a Super bowl champion who had nine consecutive winning seasons to start off his career, it was 41 games over.500 as a starting quarterback. How can you leave them out now? I don't have a problem.

[Don Hahn]

What's the, what's, what's the problem?

[Peter]

I don't have a problem with saying that if Eli Manning's in, Russell Wilson says, I got no problem putting Russell Wilson in the right. So I have no problem with that. Okay, But I, but again, going after Eli because of his record as if he's a starting pitcher. Have we not learned anything from the Giants post Eli Manning, that maybe it wasn't Eli losing those games, it was just bad coaching, bad offensive line, just bad organization. Because the first nine years of Eli's career, his only losing season was the 1 and 6 in his rookie year. Otherwise he was. And then in the 1,500 in 09. So seven of his first nine were winning seasons and only one of his first nine were under 500 was when he was a rookie, all right? And he won. And anytime you've got to say in any argument if you take out, you automatically lose.

[Rosenberg]

You're Done.

[Peter]

You just took a knee. Because we don't remove the two Super Bowls.

[Don Hahn]

They're there, right? How can you remove them?

[Peter]

But if you're using all of your take away. Oh yeah. If you take away. If I made Judge a left hand, but if Judge batted left handed, he wouldn't be the best player in baseball. But no, he bats right handed. So why are you bringing that argument?

[Don Hahn]

By the way, if you take away Russell Wilson super bowl, you're not talking about him, the hall of Fame.

[Rosenberg]

Well, can I also add this? His first nine seasons in Seattle. Yes, that was an epic team. And they had a great record, by.

[Don Hahn]

The way, and an epic defense, an impossible home field advantage.

[Rosenberg]

All time defense. His last five seasons, which include his final year in Seattle. Then obviously Denver, Pittsburgh and Giants. So three franchises that said we're good, we're all set. Four franchises that adventure said we're all set, we're all set. His record in the last five seasons, including this one is 23 and 35.

[Don Hahn]

Not fantastic.

[Rosenberg]

Under.500. So you. Everything he did was early in his career on one of the all time great teams that had one of the all time great defenses since then. So just because with Eli, there were pockets in his career with the Giants where they did not have good records and then towards the end it was a disaster. He stayed with one franchise. They never said we're done, we're all set, we're moving on from. You never did that. He stayed with one franchise and he had to endure through rebuilds and then incompetency. Whereas Russ had a great. And when they had their run and they were done, it fell off because he couldn't carry them. He couldn't be the one to maintain the standard like a lot of the great quarterbacks can do. He didn't. And he's 12 games under.500 over five years. So like, I don't understand. Like, yes. Should Russell Wilson be a Hall of Famer? That'll be decided. He has a Super bowl ring. He got to another super bowl, so. And they really should have won too. But 12 games under.500 in his last five seasons doesn't start inspiring. Wow. This guy's had a great career. He had a great start to his career on one of the all time great teams. But let's not start.

[Don Hahn]

Great head coach.

[Rosenberg]

Take this guy. Take that out.

[Don Hahn]

No great receivers, great, great defense. So by the way, maybe, maybe better in every way than the Giants. Except I'll. Except for coach. I'll put Carol and Coughlin as a scratch okay. Two great coaches.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

But besides that, I'd give the Seahawks.

[Rosenberg]

Everything and also hand the ball off and he's got two rings.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

So I have no problem with the comparison. But just the whole. Eli only had a.500 record. It started to go to hell the last two years with Coughlin 6 and 10. But the last year of Coughlin 6 and 10, Eli threw for almost 4,500 yards, 35 touchdowns, 14 interceptions, went to the Pro Bowl. Then in the first year, what Macadoo, they go to the playoffs, goes 11 and five. Second year, McAdoo three and 12. And that was the year they benched him the one game. Right. So he didn't get the full 16 games. Then the first year with Shermer, five and 11. And then he played four games. The last year of Shermer went one and three. So McAdoo, Shermer and McAdoo. And Shermer, at the end of his career put him 17 games under.500. So if he just decided to walk with Coughlin, let's say when Coughlin got fired, we're letting Eli go. And Eli says, I don't want to go to another team. I'm just going to retire at 36, which isn't crazy. He would have finished 17 games above.500. Does that now. Now he can go to the hall of Fame.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, great, great point.

[Peter]

But because I hung around with bad coaches, bad offensive line and stuck around getting get my head beat in and finish 17 games under.500, now I've got to walk around as, oh, he only finished 500. Because of the lazy analysis. Like people like Stephen A. Smith look at stats. That's how you get in trouble. He would not bring that stupid garbage organizational I, oh, he only finished 500. That's what people say when they don't watch the game and they just look at the stats. If you watch the game, you wouldn't bring that up. Also, if you had an argument, Stephen, you, you wouldn't say the. Oh, well, if you take the two seasons out, you can't take seasons out. Sorry.

[Don Hahn]

And also, I listen again, I again, first take. Right. I would apply the exact same thing that you just said, Don, though, to Russell. Same thing with Russell Wilson. And that's why it's kind of a silly comp, right? Because you watch Russell Wilson. Some of those stats on Russell Wilson are misleading, too. They both, they're very similar. But I watch both deserve.

[Peter]

Russell Wilson's a Hall of Famer to me.

[Don Hahn]

You watch him. You know it.

[Peter]

Yeah, I Don't need to look into stats and listen, I actually had a break.

[Rosenberg]

They're actually comparable when you think about it. He didn't win, right? The thing about Russ was he never won mvp. For a guy that was one of the great, like, top tier quarterbacks of his generation, he never won mvp. That was always a thing about him. Eli is like the same thing. Eli was never one of the best.

[Peter]

But.

[Rosenberg]

But here's the thing about Russ, won two championships.

[Don Hahn]

So here's the thing about the Russ, they are fun. They are actually fun to compare, even though we all agree they're both in. Here's the thing about Russ. Physically, much more impressive than Eli, but Eli's clutch gene is unlike anything else. So I'll say this. I played. I played. I never played anything as a fan. My team played against both quite a bit. I never went into a Giants game scared of Eli Manning. I went into many Seahawks games terrified of Russell Wilson. You had them and Giants fans. I know you did, too. You jets, you had them on third and 13. You're like, he's going to do something on third. Oh, he took off. He scrambles for seven.

[Rosenberg]

Scrambled.

[Don Hahn]

Brutal to play against. He was really fantastic.

[Rosenberg]

Off script, he was so good.

[Don Hahn]

But again, so fine. Don't look at the last five years. He fell off. That's fine. But with Eli, you can't just look at generic things. You have to look at what he did in the big spot.

[Peter]

That's the thing. You just said it. You have to look. But when you stick your nose in pro football referencing, that's where you get all your reference. No, don't bring it up. Tap out. Do yourself a favor because you'll lose. I made a mistake. I'll be the first to apologize.

[Don Hahn]

Please do.

[Peter]

Cheaper by the Desert was a movie from 1950 with 12 kids. The movie I was referring to was yours, Mine and ours with Fonda and the blended family.

[Don Hahn]

That's the blended family.

[Peter]

That's a blended family. Eighteen kids. So get to work. Sean 1-800-919-3776.

[Don Hahn]

Get divorced. Remarry. Someone bringing another four.

[Rosenberg]

Let's go.

[Peter]

Go to Chris in Port Jefferson. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Chris.

[Damien Woody]

Hey, guys. How's it going?

[Peter]

Good. Good, man. How?

[Damien Woody]

You guys do a great job. I enjoy your show. I think it's been a nice variation from when Michael was in. I think Alan does awesome. Awesome. He's. He's great.

[Peter]

He's a gem.

[Rosenberg]

Greatly appreciate that.

[Damien Woody]

Don, you and I are contemporaries. We're. We're both 57. We're both big time Mets fans. When we went to Shea City when there was nobody there and we watched Bruce Beauclair and Craig Swan and Skip Lockwood.

[Peter]

Not good.

[Damien Woody]

No, no. But there were cheap seats. That was the best part. My dad used to bring us there. I think we'd sit right behind the dugout for like 10 bucks.

[Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Damien Woody]

I got a quick trivia question for you guys.

[Peter]

Go ahead.

[Damien Woody]

There were two. Two non Mets. I don't want to be stuck, Rothenberg, but it has to do it for. For a moment. Two non Mets that had curtain calls at Shea Stadium. Who were they?

[Don Hahn]

Two Mets had a. I feel like.

[Peter]

Is because the Yankees played at Shea. I feel like Bobby Mercer would have been one.

[Rosenberg]

No Strawberry as a Yankee when he hit one off.

[Damien Woody]

Former Met. I'm sorry, let me clear that up. Former Mets.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Yankees got a curtain called.

[Rosenberg]

So Strawberry when he hit the one off the scoreboard right. When he was with the Yankees, when they had to play there because of the. They had the concrete problem. Yeah. The issues at the stadium is that one.

[Damien Woody]

Yes. He's one.

[Rosenberg]

That's one.

[Peter]

And so is it the same. So former Met hits a home run and gets a curtain call.

[Rosenberg]

Well, is it hits a home run, gets a curtain call or.

[Damien Woody]

Yeah, he actually got two curtain calls that night. I was at the stadium this former Met.

[Peter]

So I'm just trying Yankee. And would it be before or after Strawberry?

[Damien Woody]

After Strawberry Piazza. Oh, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Nice.

[Damien Woody]

His first game back at Shade Stadium as a San Diego Padre.

[Peter]

Oh, Chris, that was really good because that's a good one, I guess, because I was thinking. All right, because the Yankees played before they remodeled Yankee Stadium at 7. And I know Bobby Mercer played there because I thought maybe it happened there because, you know, they were doing curtain calls with the Yankees and Jackson and all that stuff, so. But no, that's good. We worked together. That was good. We did a good job.

[Rosenberg]

We actually shook hands and did it the right way. What was the movie in the seventies? A baseball movie. It wasn't the Yankees, but it was sort of a fictional team based on the Yankees. But they played. They shot everything in shape.

[Peter]

Bang the drum slowly.

[Rosenberg]

Bang the drum slowly.

[Peter]

It was. It was kind of a Brian Song, but baseball. Michael Moriarty was the pitcher and he befriended the catcher who had cancer and that was Robert De Niro. This is 1973.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, wow.

[Peter]

And they were, I believe, the New York Gothams.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, yes.

[Peter]

And they. And they shot it at Shea and then he. He died of cancer.

[Don Hahn]

Really? Is Brian Song.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

No, it's the same idea. I forgot it was De Niro. I saw this years ago.

[Peter]

Again, this is 73. This might have been right. Either before or after Streets and Uncle Danny was in it, too.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Peter]

Now, before we take a break, bang the drum slowly.

[Rosenberg]

It's a good one.

[Don Hahn]

Worth your time to circle back around to what we were discussing earlier.

[Peter]

What we discussed a lot earlier.

[Don Hahn]

Right. So I'm thinking Sean Alexander has 14 kids. The man has to have a ton of money, Right? So I'm just curious. I looked up what he earned. Just a curious guess from you guys on what he. What he earned.

[Rosenberg]

When did he.

[Don Hahn]

What was his years?

[Peter]

Like, how much career.

[Rosenberg]

How many years? His career?

[Don Hahn]

I. I don't remember. I didn't even look that.

[Peter]

Probably seven or eight.

[Don Hahn]

My guess is.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Under 10, I would say probably.

[Peter]

It's got to be, oh, 25 million.

[Don Hahn]

Oh.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You say what, 72. 72.

[Rosenberg]

Wait, is that the answer?

[Peter]

No, he's guessing. I'm second chain. 25.

[Rosenberg]

So you're going low. Then I'll go in the middle. I'm gonna say 40.

[Don Hahn]

Don is right because he went. Allen's closer, but Don is under. Jacob says 60. It's $34 million.

[Peter]

Wow.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Which I. To me, Anthony, I was more where you're at. I'm like, he was so good. He had to get one. Big deal.

[Rosenberg]

NFL money, though.

[Don Hahn]

But it's. It was. And it was the early 2000s.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

20 years ago.

[Don Hahn]

My point being, as rich as 34 million is.

[Rosenberg]

Well, if you invest the right way.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no. Then maybe now he's got hundreds of millions.

[Rosenberg]

If you did it the right way.

[Don Hahn]

We have no idea. I don't know. I don't know. Who's a business manager is. I'm not sure.

[Rosenberg]

Maybe it's Bart Scott.

[Peter]

Well, I'm just saying that, like, you know, if you're not the jealous type and you have trouble getting pregnant, I'm sure.

[Don Hahn]

Another great movie. Great movie idea. You call her a reality show.

[Rosenberg]

Well, call Sean.

[Don Hahn]

Call shot. Better call Sean. Better call Thrawn, because, you know.

[Peter]

Wait, what was the Wedding Ringer?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

It could be something like. Yeah, something like, you know, you bring.

[Don Hahn]

Them in, gets it done for him.

[Peter]

What was the guy. Do you remember one of my favorite movies? Kentucky Fried Movie? Remember that? Do you ever see that?

[Rosenberg]

I might have, many years ago. Don't have much of a recollection, though.

[Peter]

I'm not. You know what? On second thought, sorry. Don Hunter Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

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[Peter]

One of the true greats. Not just offensive lineman but opinionated football expert. And that's Damien Woody. His weekly spot here on a Thursday at 5:30 on Don on the Ro. You know us, we know you. What's going on?

[Damien Woody]

Nothing much Gentlemen, how you guys doing?

[Peter]

Just getting ready for week four. And now there's at least a storyline with the Giants. Are you on board with the decision they made to start Dart?

[Damien Woody]

I am on board. I just feel like, you know, the one thing about Jackson Dart, there's a couple things he brings. Number one, brings juice. There's no juice with this offense at all. Outside of that mirage against the Dallas Cowboys, which we all know has a horrendous defense, they really haven't been able to do much of anything. Offense.

[Peter]

We lost Damien. Not shocked. I was more shocked we didn't lose him last week.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he's had a really solid line so far every time, right?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Actually sounded great.

[Don Hahn]

And that sounded crispy there. And then all of a sudden he's there.

[Peter]

We'll get him back because apparently me dropping off on the morning shows got me banned.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, is that. I did see there was a headline about.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's good. I'm good.

[Rosenberg]

You've heard that. Do we have him back? He's back with us.

[Damien Woody]

Yeah, I'm here. I'm here.

[Peter]

So you're saying he adds juice to the offense?

[Damien Woody]

Yeah, he has. You know, he has juice. I mean, like I was saying, anything, you know, outside of that Dallas game, there really hasn't been much of anything going offensively. And the one thing about Jackson Dart, he's young, he's a rookie, he's going to make mistakes, but he has a lot of traits that I think is, as you continue to build on it, could lead you to believe, like, you have something here, primarily the type of athlete that he. That he is. The one thing about Russell Wilson, and Russell Wilson has had a stellar career. You know, there's going to be question about whether it's hall of Fame or not, but it's been a decline in the athletic ability. You know, in this game today, you got to be able to move and get out of harm's way, and your legs is part of the game at the quarterback position. Well, that's one thing. One. One thing about Jackson Dart that he brings to the table is the athletic ability. So I think Brian Dabo will use all those things to his advantage, let the young man grow into the position.

[Rosenberg]

D. Wood, you kind of went through something similar to this with Mark Sanchez, right? You guys were a veteran line and he was a rookie, but it was a good team. Now, I know again, it's just. It's different than the Giants, who. The Giants aren't at the place that the jets were at that time, but it still was a rookie quarterback. And what. What was the mindset of that line like? Were you guys feeling like, we've got to take care of this guy? Did it add any more urgency or at least like, accountability to what you were doing? And will that have an impact on the Giants because their offensive line, actually, as much as they've been bemoaned, it has not been that bad this year.

[Damien Woody]

Yeah, listen, you know, when Sanchez, when we drafted Sanchez fifth overall, you know, we just felt like in our room, the office line room, hey, we got to help this rookie out. You know, whether it's Nick Mangold helping him with protections and just the running game, just, you know, helping the young man, you know, come along, because you don't want a young quarterback to shoulder all the load right there. So I think it takes everyone doing their job in order to help this young man develop and continue to progress as the season move moves along. I can tell you one aspect. I think the defense needs to step it up. You know, one thing that can help out a young run, a young quarterback, is a defense. So all that talent on the defensive side, those guys need to play better and need to start with their game, and that's going to help Jackson Dart as well.

[Peter]

So you also will have veterans who feel like, you know, Russell Wilson gave us a better chance to win. So how do you balance, you know, keeping the room engaged? This might actually help, as you said. But could. Could there be some veterans who feel like, great, now I'm going to waste the year of my career babysitting a kid.

[Damien Woody]

Yeah. I mean, listen, I think at the end of the day, I think most guys, when you draft a quarterback in the first round, you're not oblivious to the fact that that guy's going to play at some point. It's just a matter of when. And, you know, here you are, the New York giants, you sitting at 03. There's going to be a lot of pressure internally, externally, to put the young kid in. And I think it just Reese's boiling point. And veterans know in the locker room, like, hey, when. When things go bad, what's the number one position that's going to take the brunt of it? It's a quarterback. And so guys understand it, they understand the business. And, you know, you control the things that you can control and just go out there and try to help your team win football games.

[Rosenberg]

Are the Giants just that bad of a team? D. Wood, when you look at them, Because I look at that, you brought the defense. I look at the front on that defense and the ability to get to the quarterback. And it just feels to me like they, they, like they're owing three, but they shouldn't be one of those teams at the bottom of the league when the season ends. Defensively they should be a lot better than I think, oh, and three at this point. Right. And is that, can you win in today's NFL just leaning on your defense, especially now with a rookie quarterback?

[Damien Woody]

Well, you know, the great Bill Parcell said you are what your record says you are. And so, you know, regardless of the names and stuff on the back of the jersey, you're sitting on three. And defensively I don't think you're, you know, those guys to a man would tell you that they're not living up to the building that they thought they would, they would have coming into the season. So. But it's early, we haven't even gotten out of September yet. So I think there's a, there's a lot of time to get this thing turned around. But you know, I just point to that defensive side of football. The defensive side of football for the Giants is where they've, you know, historically always been, you know, where their identity is. It's always been a prideful unit. And I think that's where it's got to start for this team. It starts on the defensive side of the ball giving, you know, the, the quarterback in that offense more possessions and then I think things can, can trickle down from there.

[Don Hahn]

How, how bad are the Cowboys? Because when we look at this division overall we know what the Eagles are. The commanders seem like a pretty good team, but obviously they got to figure out their injury situation. But the Cowboys, that first half against Chicago last week, they just look like a God awful defense.

[Damien Woody]

Yeah, listen, they're not going anywhere, you know, not, not with playing defense like that. And listen, at the end of the day they can't rush the passer. I wonder why. And it just seems like they have all types of communication bus in the secondary. And so if you, if you aspire to be a team that's gonna play in the postseason and make noise, you gotta be able to bring your defense with you. Look, Dak Prescott is one of the better quarterbacks. We all know they got weapons on the outside. No CD Lamberts hurting is going to be out for a few weeks. But you know, the way their defense is playing, their Dallas Cowboys aren't going anywhere.

[Don Hahn]

And what level of worry do you think I should have for both the Jaden Daniels injury And now Terry McLaurin seeking a second opinion, which is usually a bad sign. Damon.

[Damien Woody]

Yeah, I mean, listen, a lot of guys see second opinions because you just, you know, it's the prudent and smart thing to do. But listen, that, that Jaden Daniel, the knee injury, you know, that's the, that's kind of the good and bad about having a guy who's a dual threat quarterback. Sometimes he, I think with Jaden Daniel, he puts himself in harm's way a little too much and he calls himself to get hurt. He's not the biggest of guys at the quarterback position anyway. So, listen, I think Jaden Daniel, he just got to be smarter about taking the type of hits that he's taken so far in the early part of his career. But that Terry McCoy injury is worrisome because he brings an element to their offense. Quite honestly, they don't. They don't have another guy that does.

[Peter]

That talking to Damian Woody, his weekly spot here on Don Han in Rosenberg. Jets with another one of those moral victories. Damien. Play well, but don't win. You see, at the end of the game, Aaron Glenn, you know, clapping, trying to find some positives. Would you be cool with that as a player after a loss, accentuating the positives, clapping, having a moral victory, or would that get tired for you after another bad start to a year?

[Damien Woody]

Well, I will say this, Don. I understand where AG is coming from, and I think here's the thing with Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn is paying for the sins of the jets past, you know, because there's been so many failed regimes over the years that there's no grace here. There's no grace. You know, the one thing about building a culture is you got to learn how to win. And that's the one thing that the jets, they, you know, Aaron Glenn is trying to get these guys to understand is, you know, what it takes to win football games in the National Football League. So listen, this whole thing is new. It's going to take time. But the thing is, because all these prior regimes have just failed so miserably, he's not going. He's not getting, you know, he's not getting the time that he should get considering he's a new head coach.

[Rosenberg]

Diwa, when you consider what you just said about the head coach of a team that has not been able to get it right for the better part of a decade or more. Daniel Jones has. Is leading one of the best offenses in the NFL right now, hasn't had a turnover yet. Sam Darnold is also in a top Five offense as well in Seattle. These are two guys that were drafted by both New York teams, and then both New York teams moved on from them. That becomes a it's more about you and less about me type situation here. Right? Like, when you see them starting to thrive. What does that tell you about what both New York franchises are in the midst of right now?

[Damien Woody]

Well, I will say this. You know, there's a saying in the National Football League, more organizations find ways to break you down than to build you up. And so with those, you know, two examples that you gave, let's be honest, guys like the coaches were. Weren't that good at all in both spots. I know Daniel Jones had the one year they went to the playoffs and all those type of things, but injuries really, really hurt his. Hurt his, you know, his career here in New York. And Sam Donald never had a chance. They. The jets never really built around Sam Darling. He never had a chance. Both of those guys are very talented guys. But now you see what happened when those guys landed in competent organizations where they have, from ownership to coaches, front offices, and they have the infrastructure around them to allow those guys to thrive. And Daniel Jones is having a career year, and Sam Donam last year with the Minnesota Vikings had a career year and doing pretty well in Seattle right now. So sometimes it takes a little bit longer for these guys to develop at these positions.

[Peter]

Ravens okay, or just a tough schedule to start?

[Damien Woody]

Well, I'm worried about the defense. I mean, right now I think they're giving up the most points in the league or second most. Like, when is the last time you ever heard of a Baltimore Ravens team given, you know, being that deficient on the defensive side of the football? I know this team is now, you know, you know, the offensive side is the better side. But this got to be. Man, this. This is mind blowing to see the Baltimore Ravens with their DNA built on defense, to be this bad on the defensive side of football, they. They got to get it turned around fast because between the Ravens and the Chiefs, one of these teams don't fall to 1 and 3 now.

[Peter]

Pretty crazy how it can get away from you real early. Thanks, man. We'll talk to you next week.

[Damien Woody]

All right, Take it easy, guys.

[Peter]

All right, That's Damian Wood. He joins us on Thursdays at 5:30, all football season long here on Don Hanna Rosa. There are a lot of reasons why people buy at Ramsey Mazda. It's their selection, it's their customer service, and it's their savings. At least a new 2025 Mazda CX90 Turbo select for 249 for 24 months. Start shopping now at Ramsey Mazda.com choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Call 833-853-2970 for details. VIN S1225248 MSRP $40,000 0 Security deposit ends 9:30, 25 if you're dealing with.

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[Rosenberg]

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[Peter]

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[Rosenberg]

No.

[Peter]

Got the Seahawks and the Cardinals. You feeling. I'm not feeling.

[Rosenberg]

Not feeling that.

[Peter]

What is the most recent line? Kids?

[Rosenberg]

Stand by.

[Peter]

Cover five has it as cover five.

[Rosenberg]

I got one and a half. Seattle lay in one and a half.

[Peter]

So you're picking a winner.

[Rosenberg]

Cover five has what?

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

One and a half. Yeah. Yeah. So it's.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I'm feeling froggy. Are you feeling froggy? Frog my jump.

[Peter]

Frog might jump.

[Don Hahn]

Frog my jump. I like Seattle. I like three.

[Rosenberg]

Three, three. Hey, Seattle.

[Don Hahn]

I like. I like Seattle.

[Peter]

Yeah, but you're gonna. You're gonna take till seven.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know if it'll be till seven. I just want to marinate for a second. We're not gonna be rash. I'm in a bad way. I'm in a really bad way.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

You know, I mean, everyone's in a bad way, but no one worse than me. This is the worst opening I've ever had.

[Rosenberg]

Is it?

[Don Hahn]

So I've never been like this. This is crazy. Through three weeks. Usually by three weeks I've settled in. This is. I'm still feeling. But let me take a moment, peruse how things look otherwise. By the way, I don't think you guys were right yesterday about. Oh, you both seem to think that Dan Quinn was kind of giving lip service to the. Like, how Jaden's doing.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

After watching him in practice today, he's running through everything pretty fast. I don't. I don't think he's. I think he's serious about really, like.

[Rosenberg]

We'll see.

[Don Hahn]

He looked. He looked. He looked at it.

[Rosenberg]

You know, we'll do. Let's rush him out there, Don. Let's get him out there as fast as we can. Just throw him right out there.

[Peter]

Atlanta just lost 30 to nothing to Carolina.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Well, here's my thing. Is that good or bad?

[Peter]

I think it's very good.

[Don Hahn]

Because you can look at it the other way. That coming up, they're at home. They were embarrassed last week. Lockdowns a little more that it's a worse spot.

[Peter]

Or is they're embarrassed because they're just embarrassing.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I think that's on the table. But I just think the nice part about having a backup who seems to do well in Kingsbury's offense is, why Rush? You got a guy. Why Rush?

[Peter]

It's a good idea. Got bigger fish to fry this year.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

So Arizona's home, getting a point and a half. So again, you basically picking a winner. And we have our first, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

Do you know. So Arizona's 2 and 1 now, you know, they've beaten.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

The Saints and Panthers.

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Peter]

Now, there you go.

[Don Hahn]

See, I'm feeling a little froggy.

[Peter]

And we get our first overseas game, a 9:30 Sunday, Pittsburgh, Minnesota.

[Don Hahn]

You know, it's funny, even though those are good teams, that still reeks of a European game, even though they're decent teams, like that's, you know, decent franchise, I should say. I don't know if they're decent teams yet or not.

[Peter]

Now, where is the game this Sunday?

[Rosenberg]

Is this the London one or is this.

[Peter]

I don't.

[Rosenberg]

I think this is Dublin. This is. The Vikings are. I don't know if they're staying or not, but they have a London game. The next. Somebody says, right. Yeah, this is. Right. This is the Dublin one. Right.

[Peter]

What are we ready? If teams are playing like the chargers and the 49ers, back to back weeks on the east coast and then they travel to California, they stay in California. If I'm going to Europe. I'm not flying back just to go back.

[Rosenberg]

Definitely not flying back. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

They're saying back to back Europe games is just. It's wild. Like from a.

[Peter]

Clearly, the league doesn't want the Vikings to win.

[Don Hahn]

Right. They're after them. Although, I mean, listen, I guess maybe if, you know, if your kids aren't in school, you can bring your family and have, like, some nice experiences there while you're there a little bit. Get a couple days out.

[Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Don Hahn]

And you're at least not messing with your body. What percentage maybe better off, frankly, than going back.

[Peter]

Serious question. What percentage of NFL players have children?

[Don Hahn]

A thousand. What's more than 100%?

[Peter]

Yeah. All right. What percentage?

[Don Hahn]

John Alexander alone. Well, how.

[Peter]

What percentage would care if their children had a good time in Europe?

[Don Hahn]

0%.

[Peter]

The way you made it, like, oh, you've got a family.

[Don Hahn]

Go out there.

[Peter]

Nice vacation.

[Don Hahn]

Well, no, I mean, I think if you're. If you have young children where their school doesn't matter, they're five and under. Where it's like, we can take them with us. That way you can kind of have a little setup shot. Although, can you. Is everyone just expected to be in the hotel together?

[Rosenberg]

They're not staying, like, when the game's over, they're going to go to the next location to practice for the week before they play.

[Don Hahn]

But they'll get. They'll get a couple days, right? They'll play Sunday.

[Rosenberg]

Couple days. What?

[Don Hahn]

They'll get a couple days off.

[Rosenberg]

Off. Couple days. This is an NFL season. You get Monday, and then we're back at it Tuesday.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I guess you're right.

[Rosenberg]

Seriously, guys, going to need treatment. Like, it's real NFL.

[Don Hahn]

This is not a regular week, right? Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

This isn't like, all right, take a couple of days. It's not like they're playing Thursday and you get a mini buy.

[Don Hahn]

This is Sunday. It's Berlin and London. It's.

[Peter]

It's bur. It's. It's Dublin.

[Rosenberg]

Dublin. The other one was. Was in.

[Peter]

And then they're. Then, Then they're in. It just. It doesn't say.

[Rosenberg]

No, of course not. Why would it do that?

[Peter]

I wouldn't tell you, but they're playing the brown, so they did give them that break. All right, listen, you got to play two games in Europe. But you know what? We'll give you. We'll give you a Cleveland.

[Don Hahn]

But can I tell you what, but dealing with that defense the next week isn't fun. It's the best defense.

[Rosenberg]

It is in London.

[Peter]

Foggy London town. Now you're the Europe. You're the Globetrotter.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, so I'm trotting up a storm.

[Peter]

Would you fly Dublin to London?

[Don Hahn]

I would presume so.

[Peter]

How far is that?

[Don Hahn]

I don't know. I've never done it. Not far.

[Peter]

Because I always feel like Europe is basically like Bergen County.

[Don Hahn]

You're picturing. You're picturing Clark Griffin.

[Rosenberg]

No, I'm just a seven. It's an eight hour drive.

[Peter]

Oh, it's an eight hour.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

So you're not.

[Don Hahn]

I think we'll be flying.

[Peter]

All right. But I'm just. It's a simple I. It's an honest question. Like, Europe just feels very condensed.

[Rosenberg]

It also feels like they take trains to everything.

[Peter]

Because I got.

[Rosenberg]

Isn't everything a train? At least that's what I learned in Michigan.

[Don Hahn]

Don's picturing everything being European vacation.

[Rosenberg]

If you drove joy throwing up every.

[Peter]

Five minutes, Claude.

[Rosenberg]

You'D have to take a ferry to get over the water.

[Peter]

I've never been there. I just. It's a little.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Peter]

It's just. It's a. It's amazing to me. You get all these different languages and ethnicities. Right.

[Don Hahn]

Also close.

[Peter]

Like, because I was. I was talking to Nico. He sure is from. He's from Switzerland. And my brother did the. What they call. When you did the blood test where you're from, what's the new one?

[Don Hahn]

23Andme. Whatever thing is.

[Peter]

And it said that my brother's blood was from my mom's side, which was Austria, Hungary and Switzerland. Yeah, well, we're Italian. But where my dad. Where my family was from, it was like just a handful of miles away from Sweden. You think of an Italian person and.

[Don Hahn]

The Swiss, nothing completely different.

[Peter]

But my eyes are blue. My dad's eyes were blue because that's how close to Switzerland they were. But you like Switzerland and Italy are. They border each other. Isn't that weak?

[Don Hahn]

Well, you know, all it's. All it tells me is that we are. We are the United States are one. Level two united. This should be seven countries. What you're saying. This space is gigantic.

[Rosenberg]

If you think about it, it's.

[Don Hahn]

We're gonna say we're getting closer. Really feels so. I think it's called the SEC ACC.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Except they ruined it.

[Rosenberg]

There is no PAC 12. There's PAC 2.

[Don Hahn]

Except the pack 2.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. But you know, if anybody. Anybody that's ever done those DNA tests that tell you your lineage, you'll find that what you thought you were, you're not because there was just so much. Everybody was nomadic back. Everybody was moving around in different places.

[Peter]

So you're saying the origin.

[Don Hahn]

You don't know. Do you know how long your family was in Italy?

[Peter]

I don't know how far back they went, but honestly, the border could have moved too. If you're only a handful of miles a hundred years ago, who knows?

[Rosenberg]

Who knows now? It goes back to the Roman Empire. That was everywhere.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter]

There was a La Greca everywhere.

[Rosenberg]

Everywhere.

[Don Hahn]

A Law Greco. Ruined by your brother, of course. Lagreque, you're a Law Greco.

[Peter]

Well, I don't. I think it sounds the same, Peter. I know, I know, but. I know.

[Rosenberg]

Trying to put the fossil on the.

[Peter]

Other syllable and fascists. Let's go to Dan in Saratoga. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Dan.

[Damien Woody]

What's going on, guys? How you doing?

[Peter]

It's all going.

[Damien Woody]

Hey, so I had a Yankee point. But hey, we all know this is a music show disguised as a sports.

[Don Hahn]

That's, you know, it.

[Damien Woody]

So listen. So I hear a lot of talk all the time about Bruce Springsteen this, Billy Joel that. My guy gets disrespected. Not from you guys, but I think in general. Okay, who. And I don't know if you heard the morning show this morning, but they. They claim that you guys steal a bunch of their segments. Yada, yada, yada. So I'm actually going to bring a segment of theirs to you guys, if. If I may, with this music. It's called culinary trash.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter]

All right.

[Damien Woody]

I'm gonna give you Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen. And I'm giving. To give you my guy, James Taylor.

[Don Hahn]

That's my guy, too. Wow.

[Peter]

That's, you know, my guy.

[Damien Woody]

My guy.

[Don Hahn]

Wait, wait, you want. You want to choose? Oh, yeah.

[Peter]

So, James Taylor, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, cuddle, marry, trash. People that don't know.

[Don Hahn]

I hate the PC version of it.

[Peter]

Yeah, but.

[Rosenberg]

But you have to.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that's.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I'm.

[Don Hahn]

You can't even do. Mary, you ready or you.

[Rosenberg]

I'm locked in.

[Peter]

Once you're locked in, so I need.

[Don Hahn]

To think for a second before I hear it.

[Rosenberg]

Billy Springsteen.

[Don Hahn]

Springsteen.

[Rosenberg]

James Taylor.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, I got it. I got. Yeah, I'm comfortable. Mine's. Mine's easy. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, mine too.

[Don Hahn]

By the way. I think we'll be different. I think we might all be.

[Rosenberg]

We're probably different.

[Peter]

Go ahead.

[Rosenberg]

Mine will go in a row.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Rosenberg]

Cuddle. Billy. No. Married. I'm sorry. Mary. Bruce.

[Don Hahn]

Mary Bruce. Charger.

[Rosenberg]

Now. Hang on a sec.

[Don Hahn]

He's around. You Want me to go first?

[Rosenberg]

I meant. All right, I got this all wrong.

[Don Hahn]

Now cuddle.

[Rosenberg]

Cuddle Springsteen. See, we can't steal this segment from that. Mary. Billy and trash James Taylor as much as it hurts.

[Damien Woody]

Oh, my goodness.

[Don Hahn]

I am going to. I am going to cuddle Billy. I am going to marry James. I'm going to trash the Boss.

[Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Damien Woody]

Thank you, Peter.

[Peter]

And I would probably go cuddle James Taylor, marry Billy, and trash Bruce. I love Bruce, but I was being very honest with the way I did it. Dan. And thank you for the phone call. Is I went by how many songs do I like by that artist?

[Rosenberg]

That's what I did.

[Peter]

And there's a lot of bad Billy, but there's a lot of good. All right. And when the Billy Joel channel was on Sirius, I found myself listening to it. And more times than not, I kept it on because the songs were so good. I love James Taylor, too. And there's a lot of songs I like by James Taylor and there's. There's a lot of songs I like by Springsteen, but I think less for me the other two. So that's all it is. And again, you gotta. You gotta trash somebody who comes in third. Bruce is still up there, but of. I think that's the order.

[Don Hahn]

The reason there are more Billy Joel songs I like than James Taylor songs, but the reason I'm marrying James Taylor is he doesn't have. As much as I love Billy, and this is why he's cuddle, not Mary. He has moments that embarrass me. So I. Sometimes when I wake up, I don't want to be outside with you, James. I don't. Probably doesn't have as many hits I love, but he's never embarrassed me, so I'll marry him. I'll stay with him forever. We'll be one.

[Rosenberg]

Never embarrassed you and Bruce. Never.

[Don Hahn]

James.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Shower the people with love. With love.

[Peter]

There is one song that maybe it's cringe for me. What Mockingbird with. That's not.

[Don Hahn]

I don't even know it.

[Peter]

Well, you know it.

[Rosenberg]

You know it.

[Don Hahn]

I know the song. Mocking.

[Peter]

He's been mocked with his.

[Rosenberg]

With his wife.

[Peter]

Yeah, they did it. Yeah, it's good. It's mocking. You know the song.

[Don Hahn]

I know the song Mockingbird. I've never heard the rendition of it.

[Rosenberg]

Well, this. It's dumb and dumber.

[Don Hahn]

I know. That's how. That's my version.

[Rosenberg]

That's pretty much it.

[Don Hahn]

I think I told you. C ing C Bird.

[Peter]

C. Okay. We had that VHS at Sportsville and it warped on that scene because we kept rewinding it back when he. When he says bird and it's right in his face.

[Don Hahn]

There's nothing better.

[Rosenberg]

Radio.

[Peter]

We don't need a radio.

[Don Hahn]

It's a radio, by the way. We need to incorporate that into production. We should radio. It's honestly great. Promo for the Esq New York app, right? And the YouTube.

[Rosenberg]

That's your best point of the day. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

I don't want to know how the.

[Rosenberg]

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