Hour 3: Jets Future

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast

Hour 3: Jets Future (Dec 29, 2025)
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca
Theme: An impassioned, candid dissection of the New York Jets' dire state, the head coach’s job status, and what the future could (or should) hold for both the Jets and Giants.

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Episode Overview

This episode delves deep into the ongoing crises for both New York football teams, with a particular focus on the Jets’ humiliating loss, the future of beleaguered head coach Aaron Glenn, and whether there’s any hope for “culture change.” The discussion is raw, mixing biting fan frustration, expertise, and call-in reactions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Giants and Jets Draft Implications

• Giants’ recent win: Snapped a nine-game skid but complicated their draft positioning; there’s still a scenario where they could land the No.1 overall pick if various results fall into place ([01:53]).
• Strategic losing: Mixed feelings on “tanking” for draft picks; fans divided on needing a win for morale vs. long-term franchise-building ([03:33],[05:57]).

2. Jets’ Embarrassing Loss & State of the Roster

• Latest loss recap: Jets were outclassed 42-10; symptomatic of season-long woes. Rosenberg describes the fiasco and culture of disappointment ([05:57]).
  • “You’ve been outscored by 107 points in your last 16 quarters… the worst team in football. Not the Browns, not the Raiders, not the Giants. The New York Jets.” – Rosenberg ([06:24])
• Issues cited: Roster construction, quarterback play, and especially head coach Aaron Glenn’s inability to turn things around or inspire pride.

3. Aaron Glenn as Head Coach: Is the Criticism Fair?

• Glenn’s postgame comments: Played a clip of Glenn remaining positive despite the blowout ([10:09]) – the hosts find it hard to reconcile this optimism with what the fans see.
• Media & fan frustration:
  • “You can’t be mean and stink.” – Rosenberg ([33:06])
  • Glenn’s combative posture with the media is called counterproductively “unnecessary”; contrast drawn with Mike Brown of the Knicks in terms of composure ([15:04]).
  • Questions about whether he “gets” New York and its media/market expectations.

4. Fans’ Perspectives: Calls & Counterpoints

• Divided fan base:
  • Some callers say Glenn inherited junk and deserves time; others point to front office/player trades as proof of failure ([21:12],[22:01]).
  • Dan Campbell comparisons: Both hosts and callers (esp. Dove in Boston [30:12]) are vehement that “Glenn is not Campbell”—the Lions coach showed humility and care from day one, whereas Glenn comes off as defensive and borderline arrogant.
• What Jets fans want:
  • Honest communication, effort, and at minimum, not being embarrassed every Sunday ([35:20], [34:43]).
  • Memorable Moment: Intense caller Ted goes off on “false hope” wins – “I want to literally rip out every last hair I have left. And I’m bald!” ([45:19])

5. Coaching in New York: What Works, What Doesn’t

• Handling media pressure:
  • Examples like Tom Thibodeau (Knicks) praised for honesty, consistency – “Be who you are,” but don’t BS ([18:14]).
  • Critique of prior coaches (Aaron Boone, Rex Ryan) for how their candor or lack thereof played into public/trust perception.

6. The Cycle of Futility and Leadership Accountability

• Jets as a “coaching graveyard”:
  • Listeners fear the cycle—bad hire, impulsive firing, rinse/repeat. Fan Boogie Down Jay predicts the “vote of confidence” before another inevitable axing ([40:28]).
  • “The green and white merry-go-round. I’ve been on for the past 40 years.” – Boogie Down Jay ([40:28])
• Is there any happy medium?
  • Discussion on whether stripping Glenn of power would help (“no,” say hosts—ownership needs to pick a lane and stick with it) ([25:04]).

7. The Value of 'Effort' and Moral Victories

• Differing opinions:
  • Some argue a “hard-fought loss” is better than a hollow W ([08:38]).
  • Tessa in West Caldwell offers a rare positive spin: “It was nice to get that winning feeling. Nobody wants to keep losing all the time.” ([36:04])
  • Ted, a caller, rebuts: “All we had to do was hang on to the rope one more week. And lose. But no, they win that meaningless game. I want to literally rip out every last hair I have left. And I’m bald.” ([45:19])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jets as worst team:
  “You watch that product yesterday and feel a sense of pride. Hell no.” – Rosenberg ([06:24])
• On Glenn’s postgame attitude:
  “If you didn’t know that sound bite was Aaron Glenn off a shellacking, you’d be like… little bit of stoicism… but you look at the box score, you got annihilated.” – Monaco ([11:12])
• On coaching in NY:
  “People underrate this market. We sniff out BS. We’re like sharks. We will be rooting for you, but the moment there’s a slip up—aha, got him!” – Rosenberg ([15:04])
• On fans using Dan Campbell as a comparison:
  “Anytime I hear anyone make the Jets-Lions comparison, I get agitated. You had Jared Goff… my skin crawls.” – Rosenberg ([33:33])
• On effort and accountability for a coach:
  “You can control effort and you can control hustle… those are the things I’m not seeing with Jets football.” – Monaco ([20:46])
• Caller Ted’s epic rant:
  “To have a take that says that you’re happy about that win is absolutely insane. …I literally want to rip out every last hair I have left. And I’m bald.” ([45:19])
• On what New York wants from its coaches:
  “If Aaron Glenn on the podium yesterday was like: ‘Arguably the most lethargic, mail-it-in effort I’ve ever seen in the history of football. I promise that won’t happen again.’ That’s all New Yorkers want.” – Monaco ([48:04])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:53] Giants draft implications and scenarios
• [05:57] Jets-Patriots loss: tone set for ownership and coaching criticism
• [10:09] Aaron Glenn’s locker room “belief” comments dissected by hosts
• [14:57] Handling media and the expectations for head coaches in NY
• [21:12] Caller Corey: Is it too soon to fire Glenn?
• [22:55] Debate: Dan Campbell vs. Aaron Glenn, why comparisons don’t fit
• [35:20] Caller John, Forest Hills, on uninspired Jets play
• [36:04] Caller Tessa brings a rare bit of optimism
• [45:19] Caller Ted’s fiery takedown of “false hope” wins
• [46:00] Mike Tannenbaum’s “incomplete” grade for Glenn as coach

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Final Thoughts

The episode captures peak New York sports frustration—no patience for “culture-building” platitudes, even less for perceived arrogance or media BS from coaches whose teams are getting steamrolled. The hosts and callers agree: the Jets are at rock bottom. Accountability, authenticity, and a clear vision are in short supply, with the fanbase existentially weary of the team’s endless coaching carousel.

New York football, in the words of host Rosenberg, “sniffs out BS.” Until the Jets and Giants show real progress—on the field and behind the microphones—expect more episodes just like this one.

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Oh man, four hours.

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I think we're on a very interesting conversation.

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Yeah, I was just gonna say like, you know it's good when like it gets to the break and we're still.

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I'm still trying to sell Anthony on it. It's again, I'll, I'll meet you halfway on one man, one play, one, one time in general. But I cannot sit here and bend the knee when that defense, that momentum in their home stadium pitching a second half shutout. They're trying to catch up to the Bagley missed PAT from previous. It's, it just didn't work for me with too much on the line. I can't get behind the decision. I know we missed a wide open receiver.

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Yeah, that part feels important in this conversation. It feels important. 800-919-3776 let's just do a quick reset on the jets and the Giants. So the Giants snapped their nine game losing streak which was one shy of tying the longest losing streak in franchise history in that win yesterday against the Raiders. So they go from securing the number one overall pick, they drop down to number two. What we should mention there is still a path to getting that number one overall pick. If the Giants lose to Dallas and the Raiders beat what's left of the Chiefs, then the Giants get that number one overall pick. I thought this would be a nice time for Jerry Jones to do something hilarious and that's say, you know what Dak, we're just going to, you know, let you sit this game, improve our draft stock, hurt The Giants a little bit, but it does sound like Dak and the starters will be active on Sunday in this game and so still with a chance to get that number one overall pick. But it's a costly win yesterday and I understand you have your quarterback, but if I have my quarterback and I've got the number one overall pick in a draft that isn't rife with tremendous quarterback talent and potential, I can hold teams ransom, have them submit Godfather offers and then around Jackson Dart, build up this roster, insert a new head coach and now we're cooking.

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I agree on a positive side for the Giants off the win in Vegas. Maybe it does still work out for him. What I was hoping in the Sunday game yesterday with the Raiders is okay. Pete Carroll likely won and done like mellow. Probably on his way out. Geno probably on his way out. Terrible experiment. Can you get one for a guy who was an excellent culture setter for many years? Can you get one great Pete Carroll effort, almost all out of the Texans effort. Hoping for that this Sunday against Kansas City. I mean what's Kansas City playing for? A fed team from yours plural, with nothing.

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I mean listen, it could be Travis Kelsey's final game as a chief. Sure. And when you are coming off of three straight super bowl appearances, there is a sense of pride.

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Right?

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I agree.

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I don't think those guys are thinking about let's tank.

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Five and a half points is a smaller line than I would have thought for Casey. I mean again it's a third string quarterback so yeah, you know that factors in but.

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And the Raiders are starting a backup quarterback.

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Yeah, I mean I think the Raiders could randomly win this game though. It'd be very. The Raiders randomly. If you do go back on the the last few years, cover the spread against Kansas City pretty well and they even snuck out a win or two.

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Was that Christmas?

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Yeah.

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They snuck out a rant that one win by only one point or something.

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So if you're a Giant fan, that's what you're hoping for.

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Yeah.

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If you are a Jet fan, you were hoping for losses but that one yesterday just hit differently. You were getting thoroughly embarrassed, outclassed out coach, outmaneuvered. And then you had Jordan Clark on a pass breakup, a pass deflection in the second quarter, you're down 28 points and this dude is taunting Stefon Diggs, which is the perfect jet sequence. You're getting stomped out at home by the Patriots second year quarterback and for some odd reason you thought here's an excellent time to celebrate so you get hit with a taunting penalty and then New England marches down the field for another touchdown. You lose the game 42 to 10. And what's the. What, what's the best thing you can say? Oh, Breece hall scored a touchdown. Great. He's got a thousand yard season. First Jet running back to do that since Chris Ivory did it a decade ago. Fantastic. You've been outscored by 107 points in your last 16 quarters. So I've got questions about the roster, I've got questions obviously about the quarterback, but most importantly, I've got questions about the head coach who started this season by telling me, hey, Jet fans, you're going to have a team you're proud of. You watched that product yesterday and feel a sense of pride. Hell no. You watch that product all season long and feel like you've got the right, right head coach. Hell no. What you did watch was the worst team in football. Not the Browns, not the Raiders, not the Giants, the New York jets, who have gone 16 games now without an interception. They are the worst team in football. Pathetic showing. And there is no. Well, at least we have this going for us.

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Well, I did just look head to head because this is your worst nightmare. A Jets win against the Bills. Well, Josh Allen, 10 and 4 head to head against the Jets. He's won four straight against him two times. Never won five straight. He's 40 in his last four against him. Tyler, we may not see a full starting roster given how that day shakes out and them already, you know, not winning the East.

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Yeah, that's the problem.

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Is there a world where you get exactly what we would have hoped against New England, against Buffalo, that's the problem.

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So that line of first open at.

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Eleven and a half, it's already down.

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And already as, as we go through the day, it's down to seven and a half, which means big line movement. Josh Allen probably going to start and play the first snap to keep his consecutive streak game alive. But that's about it. Because your Chargers are doing this right now, deciding, we don't care about seating, we just want to be healthy. We've been, you know, our team's been littered with injuries, so we'll take the loss, which by the way, hurts the Patriots because the Patriots need a win and a Chargers win over the Broncos to get the number one seed. So the Patriots are going to get screwed here, but welcome to Chargers football. With, with the Bills, you're in a situation where it's like you rest Josh, because he's Got the bad foot. Which sets the jets up for a game against Mitch Trubisky. And wouldn't it be same old jets, you're staring at the number three pick and you find a way to win this meaningless game. Like I'm already like trying to emotionally set myself up for it and it's just all kinds of a disaster.

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Yeah, it's so fascinating too. In the die hard New York football culture, we watched the Giants fans do it. Not feel great. A lot of them did, but not everyone against the Raiders. And now here the jets are in a perfect world though, I guess in ties. Perfect Week 18. Do you get effort and a loss? Like, is that the perfect combo? Like, okay, the defense had a sense of pride. They, they showed up.

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Yeah. Especially if you're going up against a backup quarterback. You just want effort, effort. I don't want to see a win, but like, no, you don't want to see it zone out. Don't have my man Kaz at the game with his daughter for her first game before they could sit down. You're down two scores and he's like, I'm out. Now, obviously this is in Buffalo, which, by the way, I want to correct. The news isn't that Josh Allen got engaged. He's of course already married. They're just expecting their first child. So my man's been getting busy now. I mean, maybe if he wasn't, maybe if he wasn't putting his situation in places he could be forced to throw, make better throws on game winning two point conversions.

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That's fair.

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Feel me. His head wasn't in the right place.

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He needed stronger legs is what you're saying.

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He needed his legs to be a little stronger. Head wasn't in the right place, no pun intended. But yeah, that's, that's my worst nightmare. Here's Aaron Glenn on how he processes having a 313 record.

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Before you play any games, man, you.

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Have this feeling of how you go.

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Through training camp, you go through, when you go to OTAs, you go through training camp, you feel good about everything. And then as the season starts and things don't go your way, the only.

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Thing you think about and like, what.

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Are, what are the things you have to do to get better?

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Right.

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For the next season.

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And that's what I think about quite a bit. And there's a number of things I have in my head that I keep to myself and then me. And moods and things like that. But the only thing I think, man, how do we get better?

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How do we improve?

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How do we make sure that players that is going to be a part.

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Of what we have understand this foundation.

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That we, that we're building.

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And I think a lot of guys.

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Do, I really do.

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I think they believe in exactly what we're trying to do. Man, we just got to just get over that hump to be able to get that next level of where we want to be as far as winning game. But I do know this. I'm a huge believer in everything that we're doing. Now listen, I know the record does not show that, but I'm confident moving forward that we'll be just fine.

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Now imagine that saying there's belief in that locker room and you just got your ass handed to you 42 to 10.

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It's almost incredible when you listen to that sound bite. If you didn't know that was Aaron Glenn off a shellacking, you'd be like, wow. Little bit of stoicism going on, little bit of even keel off an L might be a decent boxing coach. Oh my gosh. It's almost unfathomable Ty that. That's the sound bite. And you look at the box score.

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You got annihilated like that game was over in the first six minutes of the game.

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It's almost fascinating. He hasn't blown a lid off yet.

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You had one of your defensive backs pick up a taunting penalty down 32 to 3. What, what belief are we talking about?

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It's to watch two tough nose defensive coaches go toe to toe and one of them just runs them over and then that's the takeaway from the losing side. I mean, are you at the point where it's like, is he riling like, are you riled up as a Jets fan when you listen to that?

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Yes, I do. But to be. I try to be fair because. So I got criticized early in the season. I was being too hard on Glenn and there were folks who even hit me with the, yo, man, you know, we know how rough it is for black coaches. You're a black dude sitting in that chair. So I'm just disappointed to hear you have that type of commentary where you're rooting against him. And I said, let's not get it twisted. I'm rooting for him. First of all, he's the head coach of the football team that I love.

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Of course you're rooting for him.

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But also, you know what will dim the light and lessen the whatever influence I have as a black man sitting in this chair, caping for a dude who I'm Watching stink. People are not going to believe me if I'm trying to sell them a bag of goods when the product on the field is horseble. So you're calling allegedly. I try to be fair as much as I can. So to answer your question, I hear that, and this is mean. I'm watching the game on Fox and you know these television networks will try to paint a picture by showing you snapshots. Like every time a receiver screws up on a route, they go to Rogers just to see, because he's known for, you know, so they'll do the same thing. The jets give up a touchdown pan to Aaron Glenn. And I'm getting annoyed. I'm like, I'm sick of looking at this dude. But it comes from a place of being a passionate fan. I don't know him personally, but obviously I'm rooting for him. I get annoyed listening to that. But the reality is, is he gonna sit up there and say, yeah, man, we stink. Like, I have no clue what I'm doing. Like, imagine, hey, coach, your thoughts on the 313 record? I gotta be honest, guys, I thought that this job was for me. Clearly it's not. I stink, I should be fine.

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Like, he can't, ironically, because you are a Laker. Like, do you like how Reddick addresses the media off a loss?

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But that's different.

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But it is interesting because he's coaching real stars.

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But in Reddick talks as if. And Glenn had this problem early, so there's an interesting parallel. JJ Redick talks as if he's like Pat Riley or, you know, even a Spoelstra or a Phil Jackson, where there's a resume. Like you're ripping your dudes to shreds once every three weeks. At some point, guys are gonna tune that out because what have you accomplished? And it's the same problem I had with Aaron Glenn at the start of the year when you're just combative with the media. And Jet fans ate that up. Oh, I love that they kill Rich Samini, who's been covering the team with negativity. And it's like, what else is Rich supposed to write about? They've missed the playoffs 15 straight years.

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Yeah, you can't be optimistic in week in, week out football when it's just bad. A horrible product.

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I mean, you're going through quarterbacks year in and year out. It was a different quarterback, different head coach, different general manager, and the team still sticks. So when you're a head coach and you come into this market and people underrate this we sniff out bs. Yeah, we're like sharks. We will be rooting for you. But the moment there's a slip up and it's like, aha, got him. And if you flip off the media, the media, who by the way, is a conduit to fans, you're just doing yourself a disservice. Because when it's time to now hand you the benefit of the doubt, it's not going to be there waiting for you, which is the polar opposite. And you've seen this up close with Mike Brown. Mike Brown didn't come in here like, oh, yeah, I've gone to an NBA Finals, you know, he didn't come in here like that. My man was humble, he was chilling. He understood the expectations. The market is tough. He's never coached in this market, but he knew if the Knicks did not reach expectations, the Wolves were going to be out. So he's even killed and he's doing his thing now. It helps that the team is winning, but I think the energy you give off and how you carry and conduct yourself like a mature professional adult, that there's some significance in that, that Aaron Glenn just didn't understand when he first.

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Took the job, if he was sitting here. You know, you had, you had me talking to Burrow hypothetically earlier in the show. If Aaron Glenn was sitting here right now, what would you say to him?

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Everything that I just said, just straight up, listen, I don't know more football than you. I don't know the X's and O's.

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But you don't want him. You don't want him blowing smoke to the face.

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4, 3 versus 3, 4 defense. I can't. I can't sit here and do that with you. I'm not qualified and I don't pretend to be. But where I first knew there was a little bit of an issue. And we talked about this before the show back in the spring, before they made the Aaron Rodgers decision, which happened on Super Bowl Sunday. And this was the biggest question for two months with the Jets. Who is your quarterback? What are you going to do with Aaron Rodgers?

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Yeah.

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Media asked him, okay, so what's your plan at quarterback? And that dude, who is a football lifer, who's been around the game, who understands the significance of what you could argue is the most important position in all the sports, that man sat up there and said, I think it's disrespectful to the other 52 guys in that locker room to hone in on just the quarterback. And I'm Paraphrasing, but the minute he said that, I said, all right, I know what he's about. This ain't gonna work out.

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Well, can you make a case? I got two questions for you. There's. There's media training for head coaches, and then there's media training for head coaches in the Big Apple. Like, is there any in your lifetime, could be jets, could be any other New York team. Is there any coach that was unbelievable on the podium, win, lose, or draw? Two New Yorkers, specifically, that, like, Aaron Glenn could take a page out of?

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I thought Tibbs was pretty good handling. And now the Knicks had a lot of success underneath Tibbs, and he was, you know, wasn't like a nice guy, joking all the time, but that's just his. Be who you are. Which is fine. Aaron Boone, who I don't love, because at times, like, he's, like, press secretary in the White House, where we're just painting a rosy picture that we know doesn't exist. But as far as just, like, us being able to sniff out phoniness, I just don't think that works here, man.

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It doesn't.

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And being combative, like, especially when Alex. It was unnecessary combativeness. Just like, oh, hey, by the way, just a quick question for you. What's the injury update on Garrett Wilson? And he did the whole Ask Rich nonsense. It's funny. You got rid of Rogers because you wanted to cleanse out unnecessary distractions from that locker room as you were trying to build a culture. And then with all of your media just weirdness and gaffes, you created unnecessary distractions.

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You're absolutely right. I just went down the rabbit hole to see, like, famous Rex Ryan quotes because, like, he would. He would, I feel, address. No bs, no nonsense.

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He.

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He's known for calling the late timeout from Mark Sanchez, once upon a time, the stupidest thing in football history may be refreshing for jets fans. Just from an honest standpoint, play like the Jets. I'm sure you remember that famous quote.

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Yeah.

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It's like he had a lot of pride and he wouldn't allow his team to mail it in. I think that's all you guys want right now.

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Yeah. And again, I don't expect him to trash his team.

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I know. That's the thick. That's the fickle thing. It's like, you can't come out and be like, I know.

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And him walking back, the players not giving an effort. I think someone got some. Or he just came to realize if you're questioning the player's Effort, that kind of becomes an indictment of you.

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How is it.

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Because you're supposed to have your guys ready to play. I don't care what the record is.

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You can control. It's like basketball. You can control effort and you can control hustle.

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Those are.

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The ball's not always going to go in the basket. You're not always going to get the ref calls, but you can bang bodies in the paint, pause, and you can rough up the game in a number of physical ways. I'm not seeing that with jets football.

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Yeah. 800-919-3776. Corey and Pompton feels like. And I'm curious to see where this goes. We're being too hard on Aaron Glenn. What's up, Corey?

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Yeah, what's up, guys? Yeah, listen, you know that it's still the record still out on him, right? We don't know what he is as a coach. Right. It's been a year, not even a year yet. And you know, I think big fans calling in today in the radio saying, you know, he's got to go and all this stuff. I think it's a little premature. I mean, listen, we sat through, we sat through some bad coaches over the last ten years or so. But, you know, you guys gotta understand, you know, he. They traded their best three defensive players in the middle of the year.

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Corey, why did they do that?

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Yeah, they started on. Yeah, they started on seven. I get that. Right. But that's, that's.

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Corey, that's not a defense of the head coach. Them trading away three of their best players at the deadline is a result of how bad they were to start the season. That wasn't the plan.

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Right, but, but, but you're gonna, you're gonna fire this guy after a year? After, after bringing him in? After everything that happened over the last couple years, you're gonna fire the fire after one year? I understand. Like, like we talked about, right. They haven't played well, 100%. But, but, and you're right, they traded a bunch of guys and that's because they started on seven. The talent they have right now, especially on defense, is disgusting to watch. I think eight out of 11 guys on the field yesterday for the third defense were undrafted. Three agents or like seven through under half picks. And again, you're right. 07. That was the plan in the middle year. They decided to pivot. But you got to give this guy more than a year, man. And, and, and furthermore, you know, everyone wants to kill him on what he says and how he goes, goes about his business. You know, Dan Campbell was the same way in the beginning. He wanted to bite kneecaps off, and everyone made fun of him. And they ended up being a pretty good team. And I understand that he's got to win some games before he.

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Let me ask you a question. Question?

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Yeah.

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Everyone loves the Dan Campbell parallel. Did Dan Campbell, 15 games into year one, have to fire his defensive coordinator, who, by the way, was Aaron Glenn? Did that happen?

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No, obviously not. But first year, didn't they win three games the first year?

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Did they.

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Four games? Whatever it was.

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Did Dan Campbell have to bench his starting quarterback after nine starts that season?

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You're going to compare Jared Goff to Justin Fields or whatever else he's had this season. Brady Cook.

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That's my point, Corey. When you're doing the Lions comparison, we have to make it apples to apples. And people are pissing me off with this, whoa, look at Detroit. They had their quarterback. So, yes, there was more reason for optimism. He was a former number one overall pick who had gone to a Super bowl, and McVeigh just said, I can't win with this guy. But he still was drafted number one overall. What we're watching isn't the Lions in year one. It's not the same thing. They didn't fire their defensive coordinator. They didn't bench their starting quarterback. They weren't getting blown out in four straight games by 107 points. It's such a lazy comp that everyone wants to go to. And by the way, it's so revealing that it's the only comp people have.

[C]

Yeah, because he came from culture and. And a solid defense that he built. So it's almost like when we're in the production meeting, talking out and I'm double checking, he brings in Wilkes, a completely different infrastructure on defense and overall scheme than what he ran. That's head scratching. I'm forgetting the name of the guy that called Old school guy. I think it was rit. I think his name was also Rich. Earlier in the show, he was like, his decision to make Justin Fields a quarterback, we got to call that out. And his decision with Wilkes, we got to call out. And there was something situationally with a field goal in the Patriots game that.

[B]

Was like, oh, your game and clock. So it's like a disaster. I.

[C]

It's so hard. Cause what's the answer? The easy answer is firing, but in all actuality, you're not firing. You've told me this. I'm done with saying, let's bring another guy. So it's what what's the happy medium, Ty? Is it give him less power?

[B]

No, he's. Listen, you all in already. So you're going to give him less power. You're not going to do that because. And we got to hit a break here. But if you are like, how do.

[C]

You let him pick the quarterback?

[B]

If we think Aaron Glenn can become a B plus quarterback, the only route to getting there is to have him operate in a comfortable environment. Uncomfortable would be, hey, we've seen enough. We're going to start to strip you of power now. He's nowhere close to being able to hit that ceiling because he's like, all right, this was the rules of engagement when I started. And now you're getting rid of like, it just wouldn't make sense. There would be no continuity. And I think that they're just gotta, they're gonna have to live with this. They made their bed, they got a lie in it.

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[A]

Hey, what's going on, my man? I don't think I've talked to you since I was in Huntington, so.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

Happy holidays.

[B]

Oh, this is Dovin Huntington. You moved to Boston.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, moved up to Boston in September, man. But I still call in, still do my thing, so love it. It's great to hear you on the airwaves, man.

[B]

Love it, man. Appreciate you making the call. What's up? Talk to us.

[A]

So, as a Jets fan sitting here in Boston surrounded by happy Patriots fans.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I am so sick and tired. As a longtime jets fan who has seen the fact before, I am so tired of the Dan Campbell comparison. Much to your point, I don't know how to make this any clearer to jets fans, but Aaron Glenn is not Dan Campbell and Dan Campbell is not Aaron Glenn. And when you look at how they came in, Dan Campbell, yeah, biting off kneecaps, but he gave a sense of humbleness, he gave a sense of compassion for his players and care. When I look at Aaron Glenn, I see an arrogant jerk who is so far over his head and refuses to admit it. And he came in here hellfire and brimstone, saying, I'm the coach and this is why we do things. And all of a sudden it's big ships when they're 07, big ships take a long time to turn around. This is why they've been so bad for so long. Because fans are willing to say, well, look at Dan Campbell and trust the one off situation as their plan. It is preposterous. And I just. I'm pulling my hair out, man.

[B]

Listen, though, you may have changed residencies, but the phone calls are still fantastic. We appreciate that.

[C]

That allows me. Ready to do another hour?

[B]

Let's do it. Let's go to sleep.

[C]

Why? We're in a bizarro.

[B]

I mean, Nick's Pelicans, we can just.

[C]

Do another hour, a little live cast. But Ty, seriousness is your Dan Campbell's calling plays in Detroit and shouldn't be. Flat out take the Keys between the two cups of coffee.

[B]

But he did it out of desperation.

[C]

Sure. But, oh, my gosh, is it hard to watch. And now a guy who called plays Under Dan Campbell 2021-2024, isn't calling plays his number? Like, if we're doing a Madden rating on Aaron Glenn calling plays as a D.C. and Aaron Glenn as a leader of men, one of them's in the high 80s, one of them's in the 70s.

[B]

It's not what you want to be to doves take.

[C]

Is that not.

[B]

I was.

[C]

I kind of like. It's a little exhausting lazy take to go Dan Campbell. Same thing. Same thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I hate you had Jared. You said it already.

[B]

Skin crawl. Like, I. I get agitated anytime I hear anyone make the Jets Lions comparison.

[C]

He said something that was interesting, though, that the. The care and the passion ran deep with Dan Campbell on the podium. Like, if there was one thing that he got our attention with, it was passion. Dog drive. I'm determined to turn this culture around as opposed to all the things in the holes of Aaron Glenn's podium game you've called out. Very fair, very spot on.

[B]

I don't want to get too nuts with the care and all that because those are immeasurables. And I'm not going to sit here and say Aaron Glenn doesn't care. Care. What I will say is the way he's purported himself, just not. Like, you can't be mean and stink, right? Like, if your team is bad and you're mean at the podium, that's just not going to work. 800 I would dine 3776. John is in Forest Hills. Phone lines are lit up right now. They want to talk to us. What's up, John?

[C]

Let's go.

[A]

Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. I have to tell you, you know, watching the Jet game yesterday, I mean, those guys, they look so uninspired. They didn't know their coverages on defense. And then to see Variable laughing on the sidelines because the jets made it. They couldn't get a first down or something. I almost felt like, you know what? At halftime, you know, Aaron Glenn should have told these guys, look, you gonna play defense and you're going for the quarterback and like he releases the ball or something, you hit him hard. I'm not saying to go out and hurt him, but. But you hit him, you let them know that you're there. And it just seemed like they never, ever, ever had a rush on the quarterback. You know, he was never hurried. You know, he went 11 for 11, I think, before he made an incompletion.

[B]

I'm not even sure he made an incompletion. He had a. He finished. He finished with two incompletions. He had a perfect passer rating up until, like, late in the second quarter. And we appreciate the call.

[C]

Ty, do you feel like this team played a lot harder for Saleh? Series in, series out last year through.

[B]

The first five games. Yeah. Their defense, I agree. What kept them in? I mean, it fell off a cliff once he got fired. And you bring in Ulbricht. But it's funny, right? Jet fans longing for Robert Salah, whose defense last night got a critical stop late in that game. How fun, how amazing is that? Both of those incredible games in the primetime windows ended the same exact way, with the quarterback having a wide open receiver in the end zone and just couldn't hit him. For Josh, it was Shakir, and for Caleb, it was D.J. moore. Right? D.J. moore.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Wide open.

[B]

Far right open. Let's hit Tessa in West Caldwell. What's up, Tessa?

[A]

Hey, guys. Happy holidays. Thanks so much for taking my call. I just wanted to say, it's like, you know, everybody knows I'm hollow and dead in the inside right now because of this season. However, you know, it's just nice to go into the new year, you know, I guess with the dub, because at the end of the day, they are men out there playing. They are playing for something. And I know they've been severely depressed, like us fans. So even to see the locker room celebration, it was just really nice. I mean, are we winning anything? No, we're still trash. But at the end of the day, it's really nice to get a win. I don't care about the draft pick. I know a lot of fans do. I don't give a damn. But it was nice. And it's just nice to see what we maybe could be when we get at a competent coaching staff and, you know, when we get all our players back. I really am looking forward to next season. So this win actually made me look forward to next season.

[B]

Tessa, Tessa. Here's my problem. Here's my problem with that take because I met you before, we were in the suite, hanging out.

[A]

Yeah. Now you're a superstar on snl. I know. Go ahead, keep going.

[B]

This is a passionate sports fan who's knowledgeable. She's got everything right. The idea that beating the Raiders who weren't trying to win has you feeling excited going into next season, it's. It's crazy.

[A]

No, no. Only why this is why I tired of excitement because at the end of the day, we know we can put up points. There was a time when the Giants couldn't even get over like freaking 10 points. We put up 30 points plus this like a few times this season. When Malik come back, when Scatterpool come back, when we get confident coaches that can actually coach us and when the players really play for something, I think we're going to be a little.

[B]

But Tessa, we knew that the Raiders game. We knew that before the Raiders game.

[A]

No, the way they were playing and the way we. It just. It was really pathetic. It was games that we definitely should have won these last like four games. Like we should have won the Bears.

[B]

Tessa, we saw you annihilate the Eagles on Thursday Night Football. We saw you beat the Char. His Chargers handed an Alan Jackson darts first start.

[A]

When all you're good at is just losing, that's what we're good at. That was the best thing we was consistent with this whole season was losing. So just to get get a win and all we've been doing is losing. Like I'm tired of eating Ls so it was just nice to win. I don't care how trash this team was, to be honest. We should have beat them. We should have beat them yesterday. I'm be honest with you. You know what I'm saying? So that's what makes me just feel good. Because we should have beat them. So no, I. All I'm saying is Christmas, I was like, okay, thanks again for giving me cold in my. My freaking stocking for Christmas Giants. But I mean for the new year, we should have beat them. That's all I'm saying. We should have beat a lot of teams that we did not. So at the end of the day for us to be. Do what you're supposed to do, Ty. That's what I'm saying. It was nice. It was nice to get that winning feeling. Nobody wants to keep losing all the time. Like you get what I'm saying? Who wants to keep moving?

[B]

I feel you. But the problem is you're six days away from losing again when you face Tack Prescott at the Cowboys.

[C]

Jason, they're gonna win that game, baby. Giants are winning that game. I'm telling you. I just did it. They have seven losses, Ty. Of. Excuse me, of seven of their Ls, single digits, two by three, one game by one losses. But they're situational. Ls they're not getting here.

[B]

Here's the evidence I have. The Giants are going to Win. They've lost a lot of games.

[C]

That's coach. Yeah, but that's like if you're to Tess's point, if you're trying to be optimistic in sunny weather in the middle of winter, that's how you look at the painting. Seven L's all by single digits, two by three, one by one. If that's a variable, a McVeigh, a comp, even a McCarthy, you win three or four of those. Now we're talking about a seven win club, eight win club. Maybe with your quarterback, with your household name at wide receiver and the heart and soul, that team scatter boo who got a standing O on the jumbo chart at the guard.

[B]

Just make sure he. Yeah, I'm just gonna say make sure he's not doing the wrestling moves and being. Being a part of those things because Giant fans did not love that.

[C]

I sit here tie with you as soon as next year's lines take out. Give me a nibble on Giants plus money across the board. I. I would not be hard pressed if this team makes playoffs next year.

[B]

Boogie down. Jay. What's going on? Talk to us.

[A]

What's good Ch. I already seen. I'm. I'm a Jet fan, man. I already seen this story, man. So basically you fire Robert Salah, a former defensive coordinator, to bring an inferior defensive coordinator because there was nothing about the Detroit line defense that screamed go get this guy other than he was a Jet with quote unquote blood on the ground, whatever that means. He's going into next season after a catastrophic first season. He's going to go on with maybe a rookie quarterback, probably no Breeze hall and a bunch of dudes that they're going to draft, which means you'll just have a bunch of promising talent who don't have any experience and you're going to expect them to mold. I already know what's going to happen. He's going to get the dreaded voter confidence going into the season. By week six or week seven, he's out of here. We're gonna have the dreaded insert into a coach and along goes the green and white merry go round. I've been on for the past 40 years with this dude. I don't know that anybody out there feels like there should be any hope in this dude. There's none, man.

[C]

Is he right? Is that, is that your worst Nightmare, Tyler? They go 07 again and then they let Aaron Glenn.

[B]

I don't think he's getting fired mid season. I think that conversation would happen at the, at the end of the year.

[C]

But if you do this, you keep this guy after this lethargic of a.

[B]

December they start 0 and 7. He's staying the whole year.

[C]

Then they, then they better keep him the whole year then I just, I just won't. For Woody is an impulsive dude. The Dr. Evil button is real. He got embarrassed once clicked it, shouldn't have clicked it. Now that man is running a top five defense across the country.

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[C]

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Don't, don't, don't sleep on him. 800-919-3776. We wrap the show with some phone calls. Let's try to go through these as quickly as possible. Ted's in the truck. He wants to come at Tessa. Yo, rip her to shreds. Ted, we need some caller, caller beef.

[A]

Listen, listen, guys. Normally I love Tessa's calls. That couldn't have been a more unknowledgeable, ridiculous, ridiculous take in I've ever heard in my life. To say that that game was culture building or that you're happy about that win is ridiculous, okay? All we had to do was lose that game and we have all this ammunition and, and, and then we could have tried our hardest and beat the Cowboys and go out on a high note a la Eli Manning's rookie season. But no, but no. To have a take that says that you're happy about that win is absolutely insane. We knew that they could score, okay? We know that Jackson Dark could score with Scatter Boo and Neighbors and got for good. If they add another receiver and we have Theo Johnson, we know the offense could score if they win next week. I Am going to take my phone and spike it through the tv. You have no idea how man I am.

[B]

Make sure that's on video tab. You want to see that? Cool.

[A]

Listen, Ty, Ty, Ty, listen. As Aaron Glenn says, don't let go of the rope. All we had to do was hang on to the rope one more week. And lose. But no, they win that meaningless game. I want. I literally want to rip out every last hair I have left. And I'm bald. It's ridiculous.

[B]

Yo, Ted. My fault. Ted. Yo, this is. We need a response test, so you got 24 hours. That's passion, yo. Put it under a beat. My man just went full Kendrick Lamar on. Yo, Tessa, if you heard that call, we need a response in 24 hours.

[C]

Ted wants that draft pick.

[B]

Steven, Chad, you're on the show. What's up, Steve?

[A]

Hi. You're the best. My question is, you know a friend or employee of the station, Mike Cannonbaums right there. I know he's on with asthma. He led the search. He interviewed 20 guys and came up with Aaron Glenn. What did he see? I don't know if he's addressed this. What did he see? And is he advocating giving him more time? What is his report card for the season so far?

[B]

I asked him this. We had him on the show and I appreciate the call. We had him on the show last week and he said his grade on the report card is an incomplete.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

Now, he's not going to rip the guy he helped the jets hire. It's not going to happen. So if you're looking for blood in the water, that's not going to happen. Let's hit Dave in the car real quick before we get on out of here. What's up, Dave? You got 30 seconds.

[A]

Very quickly for everybody calling in, talking about Glenn came from Campbell's tree in Detroit. Let me tell you something. And it's a bad awakening. And Oldman for the. For Glenn fans, okay? He was 2/4 away from going to the Super bowl of 24 to 7 over the Niners, okay? He didn't know how to hold the lead. He didn't know how to manage the clock, and he kept going on fourth down. Stop giving Campbell so much kudos. You only get to that part of the mountain a time in your career. And he blew it. No one ever talks about that. He blew it. The Lions should have went to the Super Bowl. He lost that game. And remember that when you keep talking about Glenn's off of Campbell's tree. That's my rant.

[C]

Appreciate you Dave, didn't Campbell say we might never get back that game?

[B]

I was going to say when people typically say like we don't spend enough time talking about X, Y and Z. It's something that we usually have talked about a lot because Campbell did say at that time we might never get back here. Like that was our opportunity. Seems like 24 to 7 and he went nuts with being aggressive and going for you got a 17 point lead. Just take the point. The clock is your friend. And like would you to put a.

[C]

Button on all that? Would you have felt better if Aaron Glenn on the podium yesterday was like probably the worst effort? I've been coaching and playing football my entire life. Arguably the most lethargic mail it in effort I've ever seen in the history of football. I'm in charge. Changes are going to be made. I'm staring every one of you New Yorkers in the face in 25 snowy degree weather. I promise that won't happen again. That's all New Yorkers want.

[B]

That probably is a played out no, but that's more of I don't think it's going to happen but if it were to would be more of an end of the year conversation because you don't want to say that and then go back into the locker room with those guys. I just, I I just don't know that that's something you want. We're out of time man, but we'll be back tomorrow. This has been phenomenal.

[C]

Oh man, absolute blast.

[B]

Yeah. So been a great joy first time we see you tomorrow. Ty Butler, Alex Monaco, we'll be back tomorrow. Coming up, Knicks basketball right here on 880 ESPN in the ESPN New York app.

[C]

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